Blair tells Pope: I'm ready to become a Catholic

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Jimmy the Pie,

North Sea 24/06/2007 00:15:01

So is Teflon telling the Pope what to do now?? Is he even more deluded now??

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Jimmy the Pie,

North Sea 24/06/2007 00:15:45

Bet he told the Pope he should get a sainthood as well!

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ConcernedParent,

24/06/2007 00:20:59

"He presented the Pope with three pictures of 19th-century English cardinal John Henry Newman, himself a convert to Catholicism from the Church of England."

I think I'm gonna puke

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Michael Leonard,

EDINBURGH 24/06/2007 00:23:17

Blair's pro-abortion views are out of keeping with those of the Catholic Church.
He should be told- "NO"

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KaiPie,

24/06/2007 00:32:42

He has created a part of the problems in the Middle East, and now he is to dedicate himself to peace in the Middle East.
Kinda like smashing your neighbours windows then charging him to fix them.

[RANT] (What is it with these spell checks. 'NEIGHBOURS' is spelt like that not 'NEIGHBORS'. I speak English, not Mirkin, like Dode Dubya) [/ENDRANT]

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Stitch That, Jimmy,

24/06/2007 00:46:20

But is the Pope a Catholic? Many people have asked this question. I think we should be told.

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Oliver F,

UK 24/06/2007 00:46:39

KaiPie #5

"He has created a part of the problems in the Middle East, and now he is to dedicate himself to peace in the Middle East."

While I agree with the sentiment behing what you are saying and also think Blair would have no credibility as an honest broker in muslim countries we should remember that Blair was very passionate about bring an end to the israeli/palestinian conflict long before 9/11 and the chaos that has gone on since.

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Michael Leonard,

EDINBURGH 24/06/2007 00:48:33

No6 -There is no doubt that the Pope is a Catholic-the real question is-"Is he a Christian?"

Or so I've been told.

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Jimmy the Pie,

North Sea 24/06/2007 00:58:26

'Saint Teflon' has a very nice ring to it!
Still don't know how he can sleep at night after his performances over the last ten years.
#3 Pass me the sick bag

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Wisnaeme,

24/06/2007 01:09:08

Christ! I'd like to hear his confession after his conversion and before his first holy communion and as for his absolution of spin, oops sorry ,I meant sin and penance,it will take more than a few hail Mary's to absolve himself for that.No doubt Tony will give his version of events though.Some folk will think it bad enough bringing a country into disrepute without bringing religion into it.Dearie me ,is there no accounting for some people's decision making processes.Aye and outwith public scrutiny as per usual.

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Jim A,

24/06/2007 01:28:29

Some folk will do anything to stay in the spotlight.

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matthew in davao,

philippines 24/06/2007 02:06:15

i am a cotholic. but the pope is not. he did not get out and condemn the slaughter in iraq. the catholic church in the u.s.a supports, to this day the slaughter in iraq. i lived in florida till 2003. i was a daily communicant for many years. i spoke out against iraq to the priests. they prayed for the "brave troops in iraq, fighting for freedom" i asked.why dont we pray for the iraqis ? oh. i suppose we should. but they never did. they kept a big board inside the church with the names of the"brave" soldiers in iraq ??? i was cursed by my colleagues at work. because i said."i hope you are all still gung ho, when the body bags, come back" "you are unamerican, unpatriotic" i am a 4th. degree kofc but they endorsed dubya at the 2003 international conference in texas. i am out of that too. then the sex scandals. still being swept under the rug. i was a participant in 4 wars. notice its always the cowards like dubya and bliar who want others to go kill people. i repeat. i am a catholic. the pope is not. nor any of the bishops and others.

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Ian_,

usa 24/06/2007 02:58:16

He'll be some sort of envoy dedicating himself to peace. I suppose he'll try and build bridges between the antagonists. Isn't this the man who wouldn't make a courtesy call to Alex Salmond to congratulate him?

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Granny,

24/06/2007 03:30:54

I agree with #12 and some of what #13 states..but I do believe the Pope is a Catholic...the original Christians
However, the spirit of anti-christ is no different than what is was when lucifer refused to serve and Adam and Eve chose to listen to his lies...which brought about death. He is a liar and a murderer from the beginning.
Look at the abortion issue...all lies...and death... war is a punishment for sin....maybe the Pope accepts God's permissable Will... If we want PEACE we must defend LIFE

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Onlooker,

24/06/2007 05:00:48

Oooohhh...looks like some nutcase feels VERY guilty for the insane bloody legacy he'll be leaving behind and needs to turn to a worthless religion with a guilt-killing mechanism...

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Guga II,

Rockall 24/06/2007 05:02:32

One post yesterday reckoned that Bliar was going to become a Catholic as only Catholics can be made saints. He was probably right, Bliar obviously fancies himself as Saint Tory of Bliar.

He will be having to take confession non-stop for years, for all the people whose deaths he is directly and indirectly responsible for. I wonder if the former Nazi pope told him that?

As for him being a "peace envoy", does anyone seriously think that, with his record of being a bootlace boy for Bush, and a war criminal, that anyone will accept him as a peace envoy?

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steve 1511,

24/06/2007 06:19:38

he will fit in well with this religion that does well in the bLIAR and denial departments

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Farzad,

GREETING FROM IRAN 24/06/2007 06:38:54

It was better for you not to follow bush and not to dedicate yourself to war in Middle East. You will do nothing in future for peace in Middle East. Nobody believes you as a peace lover.

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kameroon,

lanarkshire 24/06/2007 06:51:23

It's obvious,he wants to be the next pope.

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nell from falkirk,

24/06/2007 06:51:55

One ray of hope - don't saints have to be martyred first?

Stake him out atop the Dome? Shaken to death on the Millennium Bridge? Bound and forced to listen to the Collected Speeches of Dubya?

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bill1,

24/06/2007 06:52:13

Antichrist.

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Cadgers,

Perth 24/06/2007 06:55:26

#5 Kiapie.."[RANT] (What is it with these spell checks. 'NEIGHBOURS' is spelt like that not 'NEIGHBORS'. I speak English, not Mirkin, like Dode Dubya) [/ENDRANT]"

Try going into control panel and regional settings, looks like you're on USA english.

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SMG,

Beit Shemesh, Israel 24/06/2007 06:56:29

Bill1, re your #51 under "Blair may be chosen as peace envoy":

Bill1: "So in effect, the Zionists are the only people in the history of the world that have used a situation of hundreds nay thousands of years ago to justify repopulating an area which contained an overwhelming majority of other people and driving them out. I know of no other example."

Take away the "driving them out" part, because that's not what actually happened, substitute "Jews" for "Zionists", and yes, something like that. The history of the Jewish people is unique. I know of no other example of a national identity that survived so long in exile. Few if any national identities have survived so long even without the experience of exile.

It is no sin to be unique, but it certainly bothers some people. The very fact of Jewish survival seems to bother some. The historian Arnold Toynbee famously referred to the Jews as a "fossil people". But we are not mere fossils or artifacts, and our national identity and rights and aspirations are alive today just as they were hundreds and thousands of years ago.

Thus, perhaps the most important correction to your statement is this: It is not that Jews "used a situation of hundreds nay thousands of years ago". What we "used" was our current situation. The justification for modern Zionism is not the rights and needs of Jews hundreds or thousands of years ago, but the rights and needs of Jews today. It would indeed be absurd to take the scattered descendents of this or that long-dead nation -- say the Visigoths or the Medes -- and try to recreate it today. And it would not have worked. But that's not what happened.

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donald,

weegieland 24/06/2007 06:56:49

They could mount another Crusade and commit mor mass theft andmurder.

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Cadgers,

Perth 24/06/2007 06:57:27

Tony Bliar a Catholic, bring back the lions I say.

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Farzad,

GREETING FROM IRAN 24/06/2007 06:58:38

17# Guga II,
More than 700000 Iraqis have been killed in this illegal war headed by Bush and Blair . One leader of war from England is going to dedicate himself to peace. this process can be ideal when another head chief of war G.W.BUSH dedicates himself to peace in middle east .

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DSA,

USA 24/06/2007 07:11:28

Who the hell does he think he is?

A bloody out and out war criminal with his murderous partner george Bush.

The two of them need to be put on trial for crimes against humanity.

Vermin !

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nell from falkirk,

24/06/2007 07:22:06

#27, Cadgers :-)

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Dickie Bird,

inaweeglasgaebothy 24/06/2007 07:24:50

#23 CORRECT! Both ANTI-CHRIST.
The beginning of the end. Enter stage right. . 666, chip 'n pin for humans (animals in the UK get it)complete with barcode.
Lift off. . . to the end.

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Richardinho,

24/06/2007 07:46:42

I pity the priest who has to listen to tonys confession. Knowin tony, he wont have any sins to confess, just about an hour of self justification!

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Auckland Arab2,

24/06/2007 07:52:18

This story is irrelevant to most people in the UK who do not attend church and frankly find the views of the pope completely out of touch with the modern world. Or should I have said ... find the views of Tony Blair completely out of touch...

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jdships,

trinity 24/06/2007 07:56:58

Forget what religeon he is or is going to be - that is solely his business .
It is him I am worried about and what damage he is going to do next
All egotists can be dangerous and this one more so than most
He calls himself a "Socialist " !!
Nearest he will ever get to being one is , as the old joke say's , "sleeping with one "
Also he is now going to make a fortune out of his mistakes - who said criminality doesn't pay .
Great messages he sends out to those coming behind !!!!!!

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bill1,

24/06/2007 07:58:09

25. SMG

I would prefer to keep the "driving them out" part, because that's what actually happened.

I would prefer not to substitute "Jews" for "Zionists".

The Zionists did the Jews no favours, and represented only themselves.

In fact one might say they used Judaism as an excuse for founding the secular state of Israel.

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Phil241106,

Airdrie 24/06/2007 08:11:55

When I think of all the issues on pro-abortion, same-sex marriages, graphic sex education for children ....all the basic moral decisions which he and his party have handled so badly and, in lots of occasions, promoted and made sinful actions legally correct, I wonder where Blair is coming from.
However, he should be forgiven for his wrong doings, but I hope that, if he does become a catholic, he will do what he can to reverse the wrong decisions and try to make good any harm done.

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Florence,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 08:11:59

22 NEIL: Brilliant comment. It's good to start the day with a good chuckle. Thanks.

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ericmac,

Sunny Gourock, by the sea, Scotland 24/06/2007 08:12:16

I reckon that while "Yo Blair" is getting his make-over/conversion from El Papa, he should throw in the question of why the Vatican gave unmitigated aid to the hordes of fleeing Nazi war criminals at the end of WW2. Oh right, silly me, I forgot that's another cover-up, for which the truth never quite came out in the open. Teflon Tone will be well at home there....

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Jay Kay,

Dunfermline 24/06/2007 08:15:34

Isn't the pope an ex Nazi?

Makes sense then he would give and audience to the son of the devil Blair.

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Anne,

24/06/2007 08:16:29

Does Cherie curtsey to the Pope?

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BK,

Cyberspace 24/06/2007 08:20:57

I hope the Pope tells him that the Church does not want liars, murderers and warmongers. All his policies are fundamentally opposed to any form of Christianity, so I cannot see how he can be accepted.

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Phil241106,

Airdrie 24/06/2007 08:25:26

#4 If Blair has leanings towards pro-abortion or any of the other wrongs that he has supported until now, he will not be received into the Catholic Church. He would be required to accept, and be seen to follow, the teachings of God.

#13 If you really believe that, do you pray for them to be good catholics ...and for yourself to be a good catholic?

# 16 I take it you don't have a religion then?

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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 24/06/2007 08:26:00

Anyone that lies about seeing Wor Jackie playing for Newcastle Utd doesn't deserve to convert to any kind of faith.

:)

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Ninian Winzett,

24/06/2007 08:26:45

"As for reports that Blair is on the verge of formally becoming a Catholic, a spokesman for the Prime Minister repeated the official line that "he remains a member of the Church of England".

So, how does this square with the headline..?

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equality,

Fife 24/06/2007 08:28:56

I wonder if Tony's conversion has anything to do with the Sacrament of confession where you are absolved from you sins (Iraq) if you are truly sorry.

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24/06/2007 08:29:44

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Food snob,

24/06/2007 08:30:53

That clown Blair will be at home in the the Catholic Church.

There is no God.

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Cattigara,

Dunbar 24/06/2007 08:32:35

He'll need more than this to become the Pope's envoy in the Middle-East. The biggest mistake of his career!

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David Chapman,

Aberdeen 24/06/2007 08:34:48

Where, apart from the headline, does that article say Blair's actually converting?

It would be entirely consistent, mind you. Blair has a history of throwing over everything he's professed to believe in and jumping into bed with a big fan of Hitler.

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Jim P,

24/06/2007 08:40:02

Pope tells Blair:

"I'm ready to become a proddy"

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Dickie Bird,

inaweeglasgaebothy 24/06/2007 08:40:17

#42

Get yer specs off, take a good look. This is not about the "Church". It's Blair joining the VATICAN.
The Vatican is a city, a power, an uncertain power, answers to naebody. The pre-requisite is membership in the Catholic faith, which is NOT the Church.
After his acceptance, it's into Vatican City!!!!!

#45 The spin rolls on. He is CofE until his metre at #10 runs out, then, he joins the Vatican.

#50 - Rory Bremner's sketch (last general election) had Blair seated in a confession booth. Concerning Blair, RB has been spot on, almost prophetic. There is enough going round to suggest he will. Soon, we'll awake to devestating news. . .

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Gruithainn,

Arbroath 24/06/2007 08:45:15

Good point #2! I feel a 'Cash for Canonisation' scandal coming in a couple of years time!!

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Ross,

24/06/2007 08:50:48

What a sad world we live in.

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Jim P,

24/06/2007 08:59:24

#48 Food Snob

"There is no God."

Here are all the proofs that there is a god.

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

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Bobbiedazzler,

Scotland 24/06/2007 09:06:11

As a Catholic myself I am horrified every time this is mentioned. Although one part of me would like to think that anyone having real faith and conveiction would be welcomed into the faith - I sincerely hope and pray that no priest will accept Tony Bliar into the Church until he makes a formal and complete year long retreat and makes PUBLIC RETRIBUTION - acknowledging his many "errors" and "spins" which have given serious scandal to all people of goodwill, whatever their pesonal beliefs.
It would be interesting to know if the Pope will personally appoint a leading cleric to ensure that Bliar is NOT received into the Church until he does this. In the Scriptures we are told that "God reads the heart" and leaders are chosen who do not seem worthy in mens eyes, but Dear God, in this case I really do pray that Teflon Tony will have a real "Damascus Moment" like St. Paul, and be knocked off his horse in a public place,to make a dramatic PUBLIC confession and conversion which will give hope to the world!!! ONE CAN BUT HOPE?

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Scythia,

Glasgow 24/06/2007 09:10:35

The first thing he should do is confess before the world, for lying to bring us into an illegal war , and turning the UK in to a s**t hole.

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SMG,

Beit Shemesh, Israel 24/06/2007 09:12:57

bill1:, re 36

bill1: "I would prefer... I would prefer..."

That's nice, bill.

Here's why I wrote what I wrote.

1) There is ample evidence that, rather than "driving out" Arabs, early Zionist settlement in Palestine actually encouraged and provided a magnet for Arab immigration from surrounding areas.

Many of the Arabs who did feel themselves "displaced" by Jews before 1948 were tenant farmers who found that the land they traditionally worked was sold to Jews. If you wish to blame someone for this, you should look to the Arab landowners, not the Jews who bought the land in good faith.

Other Arabs felt displaced because they simply thought they had some God-given "right" to not live among many Jews. They were mistaken.

And according to historian Benny Morris, only about 10% of the approximately 700,000 Arabs who were displaced from the areas of Palestine that became Israel in 1948 were actively forced out by the Jews. The vast majority left for a variety of other reasons stemming from the Arab-instigated war.

Finally, your statement describing the uniqueness of the Jewish experience remains true regardless of whether or not the Arabs were driven out. Leave out the controversial and questionable "driving them out" part, and it changes nothing. Still, no other national identity and claim on a land has lasted so long in exile and no other has then, after hundreds or thousands of years, seen a successful (or even an unsuccessful) mass return to the homeland.

2) I used the word "Jews" instead of "Zionists" because it is more appropriate when talking about "repopulation". You make it sound like there is some ancient nation called "Zionists" who lived hundreds or thousands of years in exile and then repopulated their land. No, it is the Jewish nation or "Am Yisrael" -- the nation of Israel. Zionism is just the word fo

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Angus Ogg,

Leaving On A Ferry 24/06/2007 09:18:24

Tony, I believed all your promises, and hoped you would do well when I watched you walk up Downing Street in May 1997.

Sorry but you failed, and squandered huge amounts of goodwill.

Fortunately for those that have been let down there is a saying....

"There is nothing more ex, than an ex-PM"

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toryheaven.blogspot.com,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 09:19:11

Nothing like a story like this to bring out the religion haters and Catholic haters in the posters ...

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bill1,

24/06/2007 09:19:50

41. Anne

"Does Cherie curtsey to the Pope?"

She wouldn't know how, and if she tried she'd trip over her oafish self.

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Roy,

24/06/2007 09:21:22

Does it really matter when the man already thinks he is God?

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bill1,

24/06/2007 09:22:03

43. Phil241106

"He would be required to accept, and be seen to follow, the teachings of God."

No, Phil, he would be required to accept, and be seen to follow, the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

Quite different. Ask any Protestant, Jew or Moslem.

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Richardinho,

24/06/2007 09:24:34

Blair probably hopes to be appointed the next 'God'.

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bill1,

24/06/2007 09:29:37

59 SMG

No, our disagreements don't bother me, not at all.

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Toast,

24/06/2007 09:41:29

To late Tony,you've already sold your soul to the devil,no ammount of "confessing" can change that.

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Arthur G,

#27 24/06/2007 09:52:22

Cadgers - another ignoramus mistaking Roman Catholicism for all of Christianity rather than just a part of it. A little like the clown who tried to tell me Greeks where: "overwhelmingly Roman Catholic..." yes, well mabye if you dsicount the 97% of the Greek population which is actually "Orthodox". Statistically you are far, far more likely to find a Protestant in Croy than you are to find a Roman Castholic in Athens.

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Money Matters,

Croydon 24/06/2007 09:52:38

Wander if Pope trust this lying friend of papa bush.

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Media 1,

cape town and stockbridge 24/06/2007 09:59:36

Blair appears to be the sort of man who is drawn to evil.

He is a friend of the most hated and evil US President in the history of American politics.

And now he wants to unite himself religiously with the most despicable, barbaric and utterly blasphemous organisation the world has ever had the misfortune of knowing.

Poor Tony!

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Helen,

24/06/2007 10:07:13

There's a huge difference between supporting abortion and being sensible enough to understand that it happens for a lot of reasons. I can't stand Tony Blair...he's certainly not a Christian, but the abortion issue doesn't define a person's Catholicism or Christianity. I'm a practising Catholic but I understand that abortion happens, and that it's a huge decision for any woman to have to make. I wouldn't condemn any woman who has an abortion because she will have not made the decision lightly. I will condemn all these so-called Christians who rant and rave about being pro-life, but don't appear to be pacifists, and often support the military killing machine. If Tony Blair does become a Catholic I sincerely hope he speaks out in support of women's ordination. The church desperately needs complementarity and equality of ministry and his wife supports women's ordination. Unfortunately when she's so vocal on other matters, it's actually something she's been relatively quiet about.

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Rodster,

Glasgow 24/06/2007 10:13:02

I am not a religious person myself,but I respect anyones view .
If it gives them peace good for them.
However now that Tony B wishes to become a catholic I am nearly boaking.
It just shows how utterly contemptious this man is .
He knew he could not be PM and catholic, our archaic anti catholic "constitution" prevents this .
It shows just how void this man is of being truthful to anything or anyone .
He waits till he is being kicked out the door before his "conversion" to catholicism.
I would hope that the Catholic Church will refuse him ,how can a supposed Christian organisation welcome a mass murderer and war monger into their midst ,and also his criminal past of selling peerages for political financing?
A known and proven liar in their congregation ,what sort of message does this send to the world?
If the Vatican wants to purport to be Christain it has to send this evil murderer packing, in fact no Christian church should allow him the time of day.

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Jolly,

Rome 24/06/2007 10:16:53

No6 Stitch that Jimmy!

I agree. We should be told! It is time!!

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Listen Ear,

24/06/2007 10:22:13

Blair Convert to Catholicism...

He will be saying Our Fathers & Hail Marys for the next two thousand years.

The Only Decent thing to so, is Send Blair to Iraq to stand Trial for War Crimes.. With a bit of luck, he can join chemical Ali.

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Steve Evans,

Malta 24/06/2007 10:22:16

I bet there has been an invitation out of this visit to invite the God squad to visit the UK, when the Blairs will be embraced into the Catholic fold. More money for the Vaticans coffers.

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de bono,

24/06/2007 10:24:35

Difficult to see how this can happen without TB having to confront and reverse a wide range of views and dispositions that have characterised his tenure.

Social Justice - development spending - third world poverty - unfair trade - Catholic church always engaged in high level international advocacy to end the moral cataclysm of a child dying every three seconds unnecessarily due to poverty. The Catholic Church is the largest organisation in the world fighting poverty.

THE WAR - the Pope has called the war illegal and immoral.

Abortion - fundamental disagreements here.

Will TB repent and change?

Media #70: please explain:

'the most despicable, barbaric and utterly blasphemous organisation the world has ever had the misfortune of knowing'.

Not sure what exactly you are refering to here.

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Listen Ear,

24/06/2007 10:36:16

Pardon Me Father, for I have Sinned, this is my first confession...

I am a Habitual, Pathelogical Liar
I am responsible for the deaths of around 700,000 innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am responsible for over 4 million Iraqis being displaced from their homes, living as refugees
I am responsible for millions of people being injured and maimed
I am responsible for sending Bombs for the Israelis to drop on Innocent Lebanese Civillians
I am responsible for delaying to call a ceasefire, knowing that Israel was committing attrocities against women and children on a daily basis.
I am responsible for not imposing sanctions on Israel, knowing full well they conduct war crimes, crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing.

... Well Mr Blair..
... You should have thought about the consequences of your actions, before you started sucking up to Blair & Olmert.

... Not Even the Pope can Atone your Sins

... Please Go To Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and walk among the men, women and children whose lives have been obliterated, then go Straight to Hell, as you will never be able to live with yourself.

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Dickie Bird,

inaweeglasgaebothy 24/06/2007 10:37:59

#78 SPOT ON! The visit is sooner than we think!

#79- The truth hurts and you know it! Again, you're correct.
The Vatican is one to be watched, more dangerous than Al-Qaeda and all terrorist groups.

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scotnat1707,

I daren't say - Tony's got spies you know!! 24/06/2007 10:44:20

Bliar's first sessional n the confessional:

Bliar: "Bless me Father for I have sinned." Over the past years I have made false witness against my enemies, been implicated in the deaths of thousands of innocent men, women and children, ordered people in my name to make weapons which could destroy God's earth and blaspheme his goodness of works, coveted my neighbours' wealth, and committed more sins against God and mankind than I can recall".

Priest: Well, my son Bliar. Oops, sorry, Anthony, do you repent you sins?

Bliar: Oh, well, cool. Like,you know, what benefit will that be to me?

Priest: Well you could just about get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Bliar: Coooool. Yo! Yeh, I repent.

Priest: You are forgiven.

Bliar: Is that it then?

Priest: Yes, my son. Go in peace.

Bliar: You said nothing about Peace. That's not cool. I don't like Peace. It doesn't do anything for my mojo!!!! What'm I gonna tell Georgy?

Bliar phone Benedict: Hi Popey, Toy here. Hey, y'know these crusades we used to have, I just thought of a really cool idea.............

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mr chips,

24/06/2007 10:46:04

Blair will become the patron saint of liars.
He thinks if he becomes a catholic the worst punishment for the murders in iraq for him will be a few hail mary,s.

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Geoff,

Sunny South Africa 24/06/2007 10:49:57

Does that mean he won't be marching with us on the twelth?

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rayjan,

England 24/06/2007 10:59:29

I hope the pope does not rely too heavily on TB because next week he could convert to islam if he could fortify his ego and his bank balance by doing so.
The only proviso being that there would have to plenty of freebies for Cherie

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Dickie Bird,

inaweeglasgaebothy 24/06/2007 11:04:44

#83 DON'T STOP! That is the real argument.
Practicing Catholics are loyal, faithful and obedient. What stinks is the Vatican! They let their flock down with cover-ups of rape, manipulation, über control and an elite system for the rich within their inner circle.

The sands of power are shifting in Europe and me think Brussels and The Vatican are it, with Russia close 3rd. Rule Brittania?? Think again.

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c.u jimmy,

glasgow 24/06/2007 11:11:20

tony is concerned about Africa lets see if he can change the popes view he says AIDS is bad but condoms are worse

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Choosername,

24/06/2007 11:12:53

I'm all for it. It's about time Guy Fawkes was superseded.

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yoric,

in the loft 24/06/2007 11:19:17

Please get the facts right, Blair told the Pope that he Tony Blair, was ready to be the Pope.

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MARINER,

WELLS, SOMERSET ENGLAND 24/06/2007 11:22:30

bLAIR WILL GO TO WHEREVER HE AND THAT WOMAN HE IS MARRIED TO CAN BE SURE OF GETTING A LOT OF FREEBIES.

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Ian from Gala,

Galashiels 24/06/2007 11:37:21

Mr Blair was one of the few politicians to have the guts to do something positive about Iraq. God preserve us from the pacifists and appeasers who would be apologising yet for doing nothing about genocide in that country. Time now for Iraquis to settle their own future. Good luck to you Mr Blair - best PM we've had since WW2.

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Juvescot,

Turin 24/06/2007 11:37:34

Bliar to join the Mother of all Liars.

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scotnat1707,

24/06/2007 11:50:21

re comment 81. To Listen Ear. Please accept my apologies for apparently infringing your copyright on bLIAR's confessional. Your posting wasn't there when I posted mine. Your's says it all. Excellent.

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Griffe,

24/06/2007 11:52:27

Why did we have to pay for this trip? Surely its personal rather state business.

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Promotor Fidei,

24/06/2007 11:53:37

"Let he who is without sin cast....."

Wonderful to read so many unbiased and well thought out arguments.

You all seem to know for a fact, what TB's motivations were, and what he knew, or didn't know. How enlightened you all are.

I dont see C of E heavily criticising him for all he's done, or throwing him out.

Why does it anger so many to see him choose another faith. Didn't see them asking for him to be thrown out of C of E, or criticising it for accomodating him.

It all seems a bit premauture until we know the facts.

Religion is not the cause of all this hate, but peoples intolerance of others religions. If you truly believe in any faith you will know that others beliefs and faiths will be of no consequence to you in the end, but purely how you practise your own.

Are you fit to judge others?

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howyoudoingboy,,

GORDON IS THE DADDY NOW 24/06/2007 12:06:02

Lk. 6.3738, 4142
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend yo

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Promotor Fidei,

24/06/2007 12:11:41

Our own people elected him 3 times. Was that a stitch up?

Will it be good "propoganda" for Vatican?

Not according to comments on this site.

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Jason,

Japan 24/06/2007 12:12:54

"Gimme a break, Tony."
Nothing worse than a guy that believes his own BS.

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THE James,

Lincoln 24/06/2007 12:19:30

I can't see how it would be good propaganda for the Vatican to have Tony Blair convert to Catholicism.

The man has a record of voting in favour of abortion and played a leading role in the illegal invasion of Iraq, which was opposed by John Paul II and recently criticised by Bendict XVI.

Tony Blair is not the kind of politician I would wish to see associated with Catholicism, although we must not judge the sincerity of his motives as it may well be the result of a Damascene conversion.

I can see though that the fact Blair could not take this step while he was PM can be seen as embarrasing for some. Can't have a Catholic PM now, can we?

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Listen Ear,

24/06/2007 12:29:15

You can add tampering with evidence to his list of crimes...

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=986842007#comments

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Listen Ear,

24/06/2007 12:32:44

Promotor Fidei

The votes were rigged..

He even over-paid family allowance & Child Tax Credits to families so he would get people with families voting for their continued incompetence.

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Promotor Fidei,

24/06/2007 12:36:23

Every British PM prior to TB either condoned the acts of the British Empire throughout the world, or more lately the British military crimes in Ireland, now proven by independant Inquiry.
TB was instrumental in facilitating the exposing of this. Surely a good thing.

Were all his acts in Iraq wrong. How many of us initially thought we were doing the right thing. The majority of parliament for a start!

Not all has been for the best, but Iraq decided to execute Saddam. Does that tell us anything.

It was a difficult decision to make, with the eyes of the world upon him, which I'm sure he made in good faith, but with hindsight, (a great thing), I'm sure rests heavily on his shoulders.

Britain and allies responsible for most of middle east current problems, due to presuming authority to divide nations and impart unelected leaders.

TB does not stand any different from other PM's in rank of huge mistakes, but has had the courage to talk to all, and try to bring about dialogue.

Our own PC country is decending in to farce, with no-one able to stand for election with too left or right a view , as they will be slaughtered by on side or other. Its leading to a very neutral political state were a breadth of ideology cannot by debated.

The press in this country, do not represent the views of the people but lust for extremes of action including conflicts abroad, and then hunt for every fault and error to make headlines. Gone are the days of reporting the news. They influence and try to make it. Propoganda comes mainly from the press. Such a power when we have such a gullible public.

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Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News Room 24/06/2007 12:36:30

Has he been excommunicated from the Church of New Blabber then?

and is it now any Pope in a storm?

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Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 24/06/2007 12:53:32

Hush. Pope ought not to know this.
The Ten Commandments have already smashed in pieces. Mr. Blaire I do not care if you leave the religion or create another. You have been such a good liar that we accept you anywhere in the corner. Believe me. We may outcast you but register you in the religion. Pay subscriptions only. We will send you notice of the ASGM but will insist you send some one in your place. Thank you. At the last minute you too to want to blow the British faith. Shame on you.

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bill1,

24/06/2007 13:17:26

107. Promotor Fidei

"How many of us initially thought we were doing the right thing."

I can't believe that anybody could think we were doing the right thing.

There was no evidence of WMDs, Iraq did not pose a threat to any other country; this was known beforehand and the invasion was illegal.

Right thing - what are you talking about? Everybody with half a brain knew it was wrong!

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TOMMY FROM BROOKLYN,

Brooklyn New York USA 24/06/2007 13:48:47

ATTENTION: TONY BLAIR PM :-
_________________________
Tony Blair could not become a catholic while here was Prime mininster "REASON" a "CATHOLIC can not be Prime Minister it is in your constitution, and you British talk about BIGOTRY and SECTARIANISM
in football and the minorities.
This is the 21st century is it not time for a change in your, constitution or maybe the establishment wont allow that to change. Once a bigot always a "BIGOT".

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Brisbane Scot,

24/06/2007 14:00:08

I think you will find that quite a few of these crooks will decide to turn Catholic. Tony must be S*ittin# himself now. If he becomes a Catholic he can go to confession and get forgiveness. He sure isnt going to get it in Scotland. He is no doubt involved with America in framing the Libyan.

Makes you wonder if the blowing up of the plane over Lockerbie was one of the acts they did to get support to go into Iraq to grab the OIL. I mean we now know that the rest of the justification was lies. We know that Bliar, Bush and Brown were all involved in it, so how do we know if the Jumbo isnt part of the lie.

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Cailean,

Germany 24/06/2007 14:11:05

Blair tells Pope: I'm ready to become a Catholic

That's the headline - and then there's not one other word about this conversion in the story! Typical newspaper - anything to get the readers' attention.

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yoric,

still in the loft 24/06/2007 14:11:52

Tommy from Brooklyn.
Its the Monach your thinking of, not the Prime Minister.
You talk about bigotry, you people put George Bush in charge of your Country.

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joejohn,

NYC 24/06/2007 14:16:55

In the family of men on occasion great men of faith can demonstrate heroic personal commitment to self, family, state, king, state, and world I am overwhelmed with Tony Blair substance to balance these forces and his attainment of personal choices to facilitate his victory of higher self leadership attainted through his quest for grace in parted to all. What is formidable is his ability to marry interfaith and consolidate his interest in a very personal decision that reflects the heroic modern mind and spirit of the human mind and soul in the complex world of modernity. My prayers to all listed above i.e. us in the life of the living spirit everywhere to learn his brilliance and integrity to live amongst the forces and times of truth.

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Rodster,

Glasgow 24/06/2007 14:20:48

93 Ian form Gala ,what drugs are you on ,or is the weather on your planet frying your brain .The best PM since the war which war the Iraq War ,this guy is a liar ,a cheat a war monger and a mass murderer !!!
I cannot believe anyone has anytime for this man Blair.

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Clarindia,

Outside the tent... 24/06/2007 14:22:37

Oh please, please, please can somebody plant a listening bug in Yo Blair's confession box.
How ironic that he will confess, as he must, to a priest but still maintain the smokescreen of lies to the rest of us? Or, after confession and the mandatory absolution of guilt and spending the next next decade of making continuous 'Hail Marys' will he come clean with us? Hypocrisy anyone?

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AVRENIM,

just off the golf course 24/06/2007 14:26:13

Presumeably Blair was given the opportunity to become Catholic when he married Cherie, which would have been an appropriate time to do so.
Maybe he thought the timing was wrong and might have damaged his chances of being PM.
Maybe he will choose the same, more appropriately correct moment to reveal that he is really Scottish, not that WE want him. Does the Pope want this recruit?

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Clarindia,

Outside the tent... 24/06/2007 14:26:47

#115 - joejohn

Whatever you are you on - it's not working.

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Boberto,

24/06/2007 14:31:51

Claims that a Roman Catholic cannot be Prime Minister are false. Otherwise the Tories wouldn't have made the Catholic Iain Duncan Smith leader and the Lib Dems wouldn't have done the same with Charles Kennedy.

As for Tony Blair, he has said that the question of his religious affiliation remains unresolved.

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wattie>x 1,

24/06/2007 14:37:15

What an historical coup for the Catholic church? The greatest liar of the late 20th and early 21st Century wishes to join the ranks of a religion that nourished and protected some off the most barbarous of all, modern day fascist dictators.
Blair will be welcomed with open arms; his blatant lying and disregard for human life fully qualifies him for instant membership. The man whose father was at one time a committed atheistic Communist Party member, as was the renegade Communist Reid and many more off Blair's closest and closet cronies, will assure him of a secure, prepared welcome with open arms

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Raymond Stewart,

County Antrim 24/06/2007 14:54:45

It is very surprising that the PM should get such a welcome after introducing politically correct legislation supporting Civil Partnerships etc which
seeks to undermine and attack the traditional family unit

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Phil241106,

Airdrie 24/06/2007 14:55:23

#120 Jacqueline, go back to bed.

#64

You don't know what you're on about. Go to bed as well and sleep it off.

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, California 24/06/2007 15:00:41

63. Dragonhead, China / 10:21am 24 Jun 2007
You wrote:
This man's hypocrisy knows no bounds, and Cherie?... Don't get me started

Once again we have Dragonhead the pot, calling the kettle black.

Tony Blair is a Global Statesman....fact.

While Dragonhead lives in the world's greatest communist country, where the citizens cannot vote. And where pregnant women, are forced to abort if they have more than 2 children.

Where outside the superficial and shallow window dressing of Beijing, Shanghia etc. lay hundred of millions of near poverty stricken rural peasants, scratching out an existence.
Not forgetting the PRC massacre of the Tiananmen Square students in 1998.

Dragonhead your comment
“This man's hypocrisy knows no bounds” is a self incrimination is it not.
Boy U are one sad hypocrite.

GC

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 15:13:35

How sad to see that in supposedly civilised Scotland 2007 a wee story like this attracts sundry bigots to spew their filth here.

A disgusting array of losers, heathens, bigots, sickos and saddos making comments displaying publicly the sipurating sores of the sickness that eats them alive: bigotry.

So many posts built on ignorance, myth, lies.

I see the ill informed, ignorant "Confessional" stories are out. Two Dave Allen Shows and they're qualified to lecture us on the Sacrament of Reconciliation. Retards.

You disgusting heathens bring shame on Scotland.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 15:26:28

120 Boberto

How bizarre to see YOU talk sense at #120.

Britain's leading anti Catholic discrimination surrounds ensuring Catholics cannot get near the Monarchy.

ANY other religion is OK, but 2007 Britain chooses to discriminate against only Catholics.

As such, I cannot be loyal to an anachronistic institution, personified by the Mont Battenburgs and Saxe Coburg Gothas, that discriminates against me because of my religion.

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AJR,

The Kirk Steps 24/06/2007 15:47:55

Give the guy a break - you speak as though we are all perfect.

Romans 3:21-25"This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus"

Rather than condeming the man - or mocking him for the tradition he has chosen. If you had genuine spiritual concern about the apparent incompatibility between Mr. Blair and the tenants of the Christian Faith - you should pray for him to grow in faith, understanding and that he should learn to live the Gospel he professes.

A gospel which lived to the full and stripped from human aspirations - brings good news to the poor, release to the captives and freedom to the oppressed.

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James.com,

Clifton 24/06/2007 15:51:15

St. Tony? We have the Miracle already....he's gone!

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Promotor Fidei,

24/06/2007 15:52:04

ditto comment 127 & 126

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motorcal,

michigan U.S.A. 24/06/2007 16:02:50

Kaipie #5 according to many collegiate dictionaries both spellings are acceptable.Here in the U.S.A. it is usually spelled "neighbor" and not the british spelling'neighbour"The point is that everyone knows the word means "someone who lives close by"no matter how it is spelled.

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Oliver F,

UK 24/06/2007 16:05:07

bill1 #110

"There was no evidence of WMDs, Iraq did not pose a threat to any other country; this was known beforehand and the invasion was illegal."

Bill stop lying. Saddam paid the families of suicide bombers $25000. He was a threat to Israel and you know that. He wasnt exactly benevolent to his own people either.

Yes the post-saddam period has been handled very, very badly but removing saddam was still the right thing to do.

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lenber,

usa 24/06/2007 16:06:04

NO! Tony you are NOT ready, YOU have too much innocent blood in your hands .Redemption FIRST!

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Oliver F,

UK 24/06/2007 16:08:05

For all those saying Blair shouldnt be allowed to become catholic because of all the blood on his hands what about the catholic church itself? How many millions in africa have died of AIDS due to the catholic churchs position on contraception?

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Distant Diamond,

Boston 24/06/2007 16:09:03

Does anyone else have a problem with Blair's potential new role in the middle east if he does become a "New Catholic". Isn't there enough religious conflict in the region without someone who will now be seen as a representative of the the Christian faith weighing in and telling Muslims and Jews how to live their lives?

Or is a new third party coming into the fray to claim the holy land?

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Oliver F,

UK 24/06/2007 16:10:02

Re my comment in #133 I meant condoms not contraception.

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Eve,

Scotland 24/06/2007 16:16:57

Why should we care about what religion Tony Blair is and / or what he is thinking about changing it too.

I thought in some areas (I.e. Scotland, Northern Ireland) we were trying to work together against criticism against people of certain religions.

Everyone has the right to have or not to have a religion and the right to change it if they want too. It would appear that EDDIE BARNES is trying to whip up a frenzy on what is left of the anti-Catholic brigade.

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lenber,

usa 24/06/2007 16:17:22

AJR WANT us to pray for him, of course it is a sweet idea after he redeems himself, until then he remains a putrid international murderer with copious blood on his hands.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 16:18:30

133

Oh dear dear dear....not the pathetically flawed AIDS in Africa argument?

Sheeeeeeeeeeesh!

How pathetic!

Answer to your question: none.

Reason: the incidence of AIDS amongst those who are influenced by the Churrch is very very low. It's MUCH LOWER than the incidence of AIDS amongst the general population.

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Listen Ear,

24/06/2007 16:19:24

I can see the sun & the news of the world rigging out Bliar's local chappel's confesional withsecret bugging & recording devices.. just incase!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 16:20:41

134

Goodness gracious me! How STUPID is that comment?

There's speculation he may become a Catholic. One of 1100 million Catholics. It's not unknown in the Middle East, you know!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 16:21:58

132

lenber

What are you smoking today, lenber?

Blood on Tony's hands? Really? Doh!

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Dickie Bird,

inaweeglasgaebothy 24/06/2007 16:29:41

#134

WAKE UP! The 'other party' is none other than the VATICAN!!!

The evil power, Vatican City, the Vatican, a law unto itself, ruler of the roman empire (which by the way still exists. Not as during the Caesars time but a sophisticated system of corruption. WATCH OUT.

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Florence,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 16:30:04

125 TUXEDO JUNCTION: Now don't mince your words, for goodness sake. Say what you mean.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 16:30:57

139

Ignoramus

I dont think Tony Blair has a local Chapel. He goes to a Church.

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Distant Diamond,

Boston 24/06/2007 16:31:03

#140

We all know who is in the middle east! For a region as volatile as the middle east, you just need to be a little more sensible. Perhaps no religious affiliation would be better!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 16:31:06

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Ignoramus

I dont think Tony Blair has a local Chapel. He goes to a Church.

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livilion,

livingston 24/06/2007 16:31:45

So Tony is seeing the Pope before engaging on a Middle East Crusade as an honest broker for the USA?

Did I hear that Palestinian fire brigades are also to be supplied with petrol bowsers to pour onto their fires aswell?

Tony ain't part of the solution, he's been a significant part of the problem and why is he talking to the Pope right now, couldn't this have waited at least a week or two after he'd demited office?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 16:34:11

145

Really, I have no idea what you're on about!

I cannot see how the religious beliefs on Tony Blair can impact - positively or negatibvely - the quest for justice and peace in the Middle East.

Today he's an Anglican.

Maybe next week he's a Catholic.

So what?

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BK,

Cyberspace 24/06/2007 16:34:11

#53 You're to late - the cash for canonisation scandal has already happened. When the Vatican Bank lost billions (not of their money but that of their investors) they were bailed out by rich members of Opus Dei (Opus Diaboli?) All the perpetrators of the fraud ended up very dead indeed, and Opus Dei got the founder of their sect made a saint in a very irregular canonisation which broke all the Church's own rues on the matter.
If this wasn't cash for canonisation (and murders) nothing was. Yes, Tony has found his spiritual home at last.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 16:40:03

149

More bigotry, BK.

Can't we keep this adult and factual?

Need you dirty mob run down Walter Mitty Avenue to further your sickening bigotry?

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Taking a Bigot's Money,

Dundee 24/06/2007 16:40:10

It is actually quite a sad comment on this country that he felt could not become a Catholic until after he left office.

Bigotry is a live and well and not just in Northern Ireland or the West of Scotland.

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Taking a Bigot's Money,

Dundee 24/06/2007 16:43:24

I see the the bigots are out in force today - some of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves - you shoukld really be living in 1690 . . .

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Steve Evans,

Malta 24/06/2007 16:57:12

I wonder if reinternment of the Stuarts from the Vatican is on offer? Open to a debate,! after all there was some move for Lord George Murray's remains to be returned to Scotland recently.

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THE James,

Lincoln 24/06/2007 16:57:33

I blame Dan Brown myself. Too many contributors to this thread seem to think he is a serious and respected academic historian rather than a schlock novelist.

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Promotor Fidei,

24/06/2007 17:10:37

#149 - back up your statements with some evidence please.

People are free to use their money legally for any means they wish. Its illegal use that we should be concerned with. See British Monarchy / Empire / Government for many better examples of cash for DIS-honourable rewards.

I hope that novels by conspiracy theorists are not your evidence.

Canonisation - nothing irregular - broke no rules. But you obviously dont believe in this anyway, so why so much concern.

#142 The Vatican, or the Roman Catholic Church, is not a party, but a Christian Faith, which seeks to influence each on a personal level, which should exert influence on their wider life. No harm in that if the Christian beliefs are followed surely.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 17:23:44

155

More than likely he'll offer some US based Micky Mouse intolerant secular society website and try to pass it off as credible.

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BooncinMad!,

Florida 24/06/2007 17:24:49

Shame he did'nt come out the closet to help relations during the troubles over the Irish Sea. Or would that not have been politicaly correct?

This man will have no respect in any discussions with reps from the middle east.
If his wife can influence him enough to change his religen how much input did she have in the running of government? Not that I would blame her for all his crap decisions.

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Archie MacPherson2,

24/06/2007 17:25:13

Pope to Blair, "I'm the only one able to forgive you over Iraq, but only if you become Catholic."

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 17:31:37

158

Archie,

More stunning ignorance exposing your bigotry and badness.

You bring shame on Scotland, you filth.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 17:35:30

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BooncinMad!, Florida

Has news of the Peace Process in Ireland not reached Florida yet?

Errrrr....numpty....it's sorted, and Tony played a major part in its resolution.

The rest of your post is just as bad.

A wee bit of advice: best steer clear of topics you know €vck all about.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 17:41:05

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Archie

Are you aware that the Queen has said that Tony's actions were just and that as head of the Ch o England & Scotland she was willing to forgive him?

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Archie MacPherson2,

24/06/2007 17:42:53

pope is the only one with a phone line to god - you are such an ignorant bigot.

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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 24/06/2007 17:42:54

Politics and religion.

What a mix. These two are truly frightening.

It would be awesome to see these two hooked up to a polygraph, and have them asked tough questions

i.e.
Sex scandals and the priesthood, the real reason for the war in Iraq. What do they really think of George B.
Gays, abortion and the state of Israel.

Honestly, what a pair.

All the best.

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Archie MacPherson2,

24/06/2007 17:44:14

There are people like Tuxedo Junction that make me ashamed to be Scottish, with their ignorant, bigotted ways. Go Tony! Become a Catholic!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 17:44:52

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archie bigot

but surely german lizzy controls the network?

she said that by powers vested in her as head of the Eng & scot prod churches she will forgive tony.

she said he might need to lick her toes first.

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lenber,

usa 24/06/2007 17:50:24

It would be refreshing to know if Bush is reading these comments.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 17:51:30

168

cant imagine The Scotsman is top of his Sunday morning read list.

OMG you people are stupid.

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bill1,

24/06/2007 17:53:39

131. Oliver F

Removing Saddam was illegal.

I did not mention his payments for Palestinian suicide bombers' families, as throughout the Middle East world that would be regarded as charity (perhaps not by Israel the newcomers).

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 17:54:35

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Which law did Saddam's removal break?

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drake's drum,

North Britain 24/06/2007 17:58:43

What a surprise! Tony's been pushing the Holy Roman Empire's resurrection (i.e. EU super-state) agenda for years, now he denies us the referendum on a Treaty he promised in the Labour 2005 manifesto! All part of the plan! He should be at home with the Nazi-past denial of Joseph Ratzinger, now Bliar will try to deny his past as the inflamer of Islam (e.g. even last week he made the Queen Knight Salman Rushdie - some peace envoy!).
Surely Blair and his pal the Pope couln't be stoking the flames together? Remember Ratzinger's recent problems with celebrating medieval anti-muslim musings? Never mind 'Saint' Tony - his role will be that of the new Charlemagne!
Wake up world - the Anti-Christ and his apprentice are bringing doom on us all, from deliberately fomenting war in the Balkans to stoking Muslim extremist fires - it is the Vatican's agenda which stands to benefit, and everyone else's which will suffer as usual.

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 18:02:19

Tony will become catholic

Tony will confess his war crimes to his priest

Priest will tell him to say a few "How's yer fathers"

Tony will explain that he shouldn't, no really, he shouldn't, because he was saving mankind from a tyrant. Couldn't he just skip that one?

Priest will tell him that it doesn't work that way

Tony will suggest that in HIS opinion, the church is wrong

Priest turns Protestant

Tony wonders, yet again, just what he had done wrong

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drake's drum,

North Britain 24/06/2007 18:04:52

Tuxedo - filth? How eloquent. I'll expect the Spanish Inquisition round the door any minute.
...Nobody expects The Spanish...

Filth? Try Bishops and Cardinals who protected child-abusers.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:05:19

You know I wouldnt mind some of the anti Catholic bigotry or anti Blair stuff if some of it were true.....or even close to the truth.

Sadly, this story has acted as a magnet for the dregs of society to come along and spew their filth in public.

There are many legitimate things to criticise Christ's Church and\or Tony Blair for......without resorting to the stupid lies you lot rely upon.

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drake's drum,

North Britain 24/06/2007 18:06:33

p.s. Tuxedo - go and read Revelation 17 and 18 if you want the Anti-Christ link.

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drake's drum,

North Britain 24/06/2007 18:10:55

Tuxedo, I really couldn't give a proverbial about what you think. Away and rattle your beads - I'm off for my dinner.

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drake's drum,

North Britain 24/06/2007 18:15:17

pps Tuxedo - typical, the Catholic Church had Tyndall hunted down and murdered for printing the Bible in English so that people could actually read the word of God for themselves and not rely on priests to mis-represent what lay therein.
If we hadn't got to read it, they'd no doubt be telling us today that it's ok to rape children, in order to excuse their perversions.
God save our Queen and our British Constitution. Long live freedom. Good night and good bye.

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 18:16:51

Tuxedo "up the junction."

OK. You're right and everybody else is wrong OK?
Obviously you are a christian. Not a tolerant one though are you?

I like your considered responses:-
"dregs of society, spew their filth, disgusting heathens, sundry bigots , losers, heathens, bigots, sickos and saddos retards, How STUPID is that comment?, ignoramus, dirty mob, numpty, you filth, etc etc etc.

Away and stamp yer foot ya mad balloon. It's not the other posters I'm worried about, it's you. I seriously think (in my professional opinion) that you have seriously lost the plot.

GET HELP

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:20:12

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More drivel!!! Sheeesh!!

You're plainly nuts!!! You on about Tyndall? LOL! What year was that? You're bananas pal!

An internet crank!

Our Queen?

YOUR Queen. She's nothing but a German commoner to me. The institution stinks. It's anachronistic and fundamentally flawed and Frau Lizzie Saxe Coburg Gotha (and Phil Mont Battenburg) has a fairly good claim to be 6043rd in line to the corrupt throne!

Long live freedom indeed. Freedom from filth like you.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:22:37

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Yep I'm definitlely intolerant of the.....dregs of society, spew their filth, disgusting heathens, sundry bigots , losers, heathens, bigots, sickos and saddos retards....

Do you think we SHOULD tolerate that filth?

Any criticism of the bigots or the bigotry?

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bill1,

24/06/2007 18:23:56

133. Oliver F

"How many millions in africa have died of AIDS due to the catholic churchs position on contraception?"

As I understand it, you are talking about the Catholic Church's disapproval of the use of contraceptive condoms.

Presumably this would only affect sex between catholics, where there would be a reduced incidence of extra-marital sex as well. What evidence do you have to say that millions of Catholics have died of aids in Africa? Hundreds maybe.

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 18:27:20

188. Tuxedo Junction

OK Tuxedo. I criticise the bigots. I still think you are taking this too personally. You're not His Holiness are you. Nein?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:29:17

190

You attack the good guy then reluctantly make a tepid and reluctant comment on the bigots.

Why?

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 18:29:48

#190

ps It's a life choice. Some priests chose this way.

For some of course, it's NOT a choice. There but for the grace of God etc.

Or does your faith reject compassion?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:30:11

189

Were Africans to adopt Catholic teaching there would be no AIDS problem in Africa.

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Archie MacPherson2,

24/06/2007 18:31:03

Tuxedo Junction - your insinuation that I have paedophilic material on my PC is utterly disgusting.

I have dropped an email to my friend at the Scotsman (luckily, I have a journalist friend there) to ask for the best way to deal with you. Expect an IP ban and a further call from the powers that be in the coming week, pal.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:31:22

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Do you have an English translation of #192?

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 18:32:03

#191 Tuxedo

I'm sorry, but I don't think you're the good guy. If you scream on these boards, you will be ignored. Sorry also for being tepid, but i think i said I criticide the bigots. What do you want? Kill the filth? That would be your words, not mine.
Off for dinner.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:35:23

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Yep, it was tepid.

I didnt call for kill the filth.

Just bemused re why you attacked the good guy rather than some of the filthy disgusting bigots. I'll leave that with you and your conscience.

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nell from falkirk,

24/06/2007 18:36:00

Tuxedo Junction - calling people "filth" in posts adds nothing to this forum.

I expect everybody's trying to ignore you, and continue the debate around your insults, but it's most distracting.

If you have a point to make, then make it. Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but you're not entitled to abuse others because they don't agree with you.

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bill1,

24/06/2007 18:39:02

The Queen is not an ordained minister of the C of E, so she has no power to forgive sins.

In any event, absolution is only possible with prior repentance, and I don't think Yob Liar has expressed any.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:39:21

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I use the word filth to describe filth.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Interesting you highlight MY insults but have said nothing of the FILTH posted by others.

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bill1,

24/06/2007 18:39:54

162. Tuxedo Junction

The Queen is not an ordained minister of the C of E, so she has no power to forgive sins.

In any event, absolution is only possible with prior repentance, and I don't think Yob Liar has expressed any.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:40:47

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thank you for your correction re the limited powers of lizzie.

do you intend to now correct those who erred in their comments re the powers of the pope?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:41:59

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who said that? which post?

nope....tony is an anglican.

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Archie MacPherson2,

24/06/2007 18:43:01

Tuxedo Junction, thanks, I expect they will be in touch.

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bill1,

24/06/2007 18:44:14

172. Tuxedo Junction

Invasion of another country other than under a UN mandate or in self-defence is against international law.

Iraq was invaded without a UN mandate or for self-defence.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:44:35

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Bring it on, archie!

I reckon they'll want to talk to you.

Those websites......nasty.

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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 24/06/2007 18:44:49

.. didn't have sex with the guitar player

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:45:04

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Which International Law?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:47:09

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Oh, and WHO invaded Iraq?

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drake's drum,

North Britain 24/06/2007 18:50:07

I'm glad I checked in after my dinner - Tuxedo, are you Cardinal O'Brien's tea lady? At least Mrs Doyle was well mannered and polite. You really should have taken your pills today, or would they have reacted with the Communion Wine and the Jesus Crisps?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:52:09

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Not like it when we fight back?

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drake's drum,

North Britain 24/06/2007 18:55:07

216 Tuxedo, why do you feel the need to fight? You fancy going on those crusades again, don't you? You, Tony and Ratzy slaughtering all the infidels, eh? Enough to make you salivate on your choirboy!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 18:56:18

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purely defensive.

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drake's drum,

North Britain 24/06/2007 18:56:35

I'm off for some better company - now, did I tape 'Murder She Wrote' today after all...

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bill1,

24/06/2007 19:01:53

212,213. Tuxedo Junction

Article 2(4) of the U.N. Charter prohibits any nation from using force against another. The charter allows for only two exceptions to this rule: when force is required in self-defense (Article 51) or when the Security Council authorizes the use of force to protect international peace and security (Chapter VII).

The USA and UK invaded Iraq illegally.

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drake's drum,

North Britain 24/06/2007 19:02:11

Good night Tuxedo, you've been good entertainment as well as providing much needed work in the coming week for the Fiscal service, Shrinks, the Fuzz's overtime and the Scotsman's censors - not necessarily in that order. Who says RCs are consumed by guilt? More like consumers of Buckie on this performance - good show!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:02:29

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bye bye bigot.

sleep tight.

the anti christ is gonna get you.....

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:03:34

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uk and us?

anyone else?

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'Hezza,

24/06/2007 19:04:04

Who the f*** is Tuxedo Junction, and does he have a good lawyer?!!!! I would offer my services, but liable is not my strong point! Good luck.

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Andromeda,

out there 24/06/2007 19:07:07

My only comment is...Why does Tony Blair always stand with his arms and hands in a rigid pose as though he was about to pull out a gun from a holster? Did someone tell him this pose gives the impression of power and decisiveness?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:08:03

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errrr..that'll be libel?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:09:03

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he sh1t his kn1ckers.

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drake's drum,

North Britain 24/06/2007 19:13:37

Tuxedo, on this performance, it could be 'liable' as well as libel! As for the Anti-Christ getting me, if he sends his Hitler Youth chums he might, but otherwise I'll take my chances with my King James bible in my hand. This time, you'll be glad to know, really is goodnight.

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 19:14:46

The Pope is supposed to be a man of God and and an influence for love and peace in the world....I hope he washed his hands in disinfectant after shaking hands with Tony Blair,a man who has the blood of untold thousands of innocent people on his hands. The Pope shaking hands with this mass murderer demonstrates what a bunch of hypocrites these people are...the certainly belong together,the former member of the Hitlerjugend and the current follower of Nazi philosophy....

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:18:08

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mass murderer, eh?

that's serious.

has he been arrested?

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subrosa,

24/06/2007 19:19:15

I couldn't care less what religion Tony Blair is or wants to become. What has concerned me is the 'preaching' attitude he has displayed on many occasions as if he completely relied upon his religious beliefs. At times it sounded as if he was a religious fanatic and that's scarey.

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Nimrod,

Toronto, Canada 24/06/2007 19:22:56

Relax everybody.

TB heard that Benedict was thinking of reinstating the office of the Devil's Advocate and immediately recognizing that there wouldn't be anyone on earth better qualified for the post, phoned VAT-007.

"You're Hired!" said Benedict. "Kiss my (ring) and be on your way!" In a few weeks from now he will be in his element: out there seeking his own...

As they say: "It takes one to know one!"

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The Strategist,

24/06/2007 19:27:10

I was always of the opinion that Blair was mentally unstable and this proves it.

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Charles1234,

24/06/2007 19:27:28

Blair tells Pope: I'm ready to become a Catholic.

Pope tells Blair: Do you think I want people to be serious when they say "Is the Pope a Catholic"?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:34:19

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that kinda sounds like a problem you made up just for yourself.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:35:03

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please explain.

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Boab,

Glasgow 24/06/2007 19:39:13

Now that he's sorted out the Middle East, Blair can fight evil in the form of contraception and homosexuality. Right on.

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Not Me,

...good god....or not..... 24/06/2007 19:40:11

-John-

So this is where you have been..........

Should have guessed.......

....you really have found your calling today.......

....only one question why is someone who has a different view to you a bigot - you seem to use this word as if in itself you are of a more enlightened view......

....nice to see though you are nothing if not consistent........

.....Tony wants to be a Catholic - wire in my son - you are already well versed in meaningless drivel......

Song moment - Personal Jesus........

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 19:41:19

#231....He's waiting his turn after Henry Kissinger,the Bush Duo,Madeleine Albright,Margaret Thatcher and numerous others....but which agent of which state is going to arrest him....the police forces are morally compromised as well.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:42:48

You know me better thna that, NM...

I use the word bigot to describe bigots.

I am no more enlightened than anyone else, though I do despise bigotry...as you know.

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 19:43:35

#231...mind you ,you could always make a citizen's arrest and show us all what a good guy you really are

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:44:35

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aw...right.

so...he's not a mass murderer afterall!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:45:22

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you mean for something he hasnt done?

errr...i dont think so!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:46:04

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that's homophobia.

you should be ashamed of yourself.

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 19:48:27

#231...sorry ,you're wrong AGAIN...you're obviously not as clued up as we thought....scribble this in your homework notebook,they are mass murderers too ! ...in fact write it out a hundred times,just in case you forget

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:50:05

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OMG...all these mass murderers, eh?

and no-one arresting them?

So.....WHO decided they were mass murderers?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 19:51:32

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Oh, and is your list complete?

Any other mass murderers we should know about?

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Oliver F,

UK 24/06/2007 19:53:09

bill1 #

"Presumably this would only affect sex between catholics, where there would be a reduced incidence of extra-marital sex as well."

Presume all you like bill but you would be wrong. The catholic church is very powerful and influential not just with catholics but also with governments and aid agencies. Even leaving aside the moral issues of condoms their misinformation is reprehensible.

"What evidence do you have to say that millions of Catholics have died of aids in Africa? Hundreds maybe."

I didnt say millions of catholics. I said millions of africans. Yes its true my claim of millions dead is with hindsight hyperbolic but its impossible to know how many may have been saved already if the catholic church hadnt stuck to its stance on condoms. I would hazard a guess that it is in the hundreds of thousands.

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Oliver F,

UK 24/06/2007 19:53:53

I meant bill1 at #189

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MichScot,

USA 24/06/2007 19:55:16

#15 Yes, support life.
God prospers those countries who follow His will. He forgives and will straighten things out for those who do.

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Rami,

New Hampshire 24/06/2007 19:58:38

Doesn't Mr. T. Blair realize that he must tith 10%
of his annual gross income to the Roman Catholic
Church! Does this mean he is going to give up
his support to the Angelican Communion of his
"cradle born faith"? What will become of members
of his immediate family, that may have personal
doubts about getting so involved with the R.C.
Church, which has been known to impose Church
Doctrine and rules of its faith upon its members
at lodge? With all the R.C. Religion's very bad
press on their very, very, sinful and law breaking
clergy, why would anyone in their right mind support
this criminal and obscene acts performed on young
male youths as it were; Worldwide problem within
this very corrupted socially un-excepted practice
by these thousands of Church Clergy. Many
R.C. Church's in my State of N.H. are being closed
or are in the process of same. There is actually
a shortage of qualified Priests to go around and
bring the faith to its Family. The Catholic Seminaries
are having large and many problems in getting
straight males to be educated and earn their
position of Priest.

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Teary Ennui,

24/06/2007 20:01:40

"Are you aware that the Queen has said that Tony's actions were just and that as head of the Ch o England & Scotland she was willing to forgive him?" (162)

The Queen is not head of the Church of Scotland, Tuxedo.

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 20:02:08

#247/#248 the human race....I'm sure if we put our heads together we could add a few more names to the list....but even if you weren't up for it you are an amusing person anyway and all of us on this site need a good laugh from time to time....keep trying,you'll get the hang of it ,eventually........well done ,good effort

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Not Me,

...good god....or not..... 24/06/2007 20:11:54

-John-

....but a lot of what you term bigotted doesn't seem like it to me so please explain the bigotted nature of some of these remarks that you take such offense to......

...I don't see it. But I may well be blind - can you show me the way?

Song moment - Return of the grevious Angel....

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Not Me,

...good god....or not..... 24/06/2007 20:16:25

-John-

Just wondering but a couple of times you have asked for other mass murderers to be identified - surely you are not suggesting that because other institutions did it its alright for (how did you say it earlier) Christs Church to have done it.......all in the name of god no doubt.......

Strange that Christs Church didn't really take off until many many many years after his death......surley its someone elses Church but in Christs name?

Song moment - Take it Easy.......MAN

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wattie>x 1,

24/06/2007 20:23:47

#73>? I am a lifelong atheist who was unfortunate enough have taken part in the senseless killing during World War Two of millions of people; most of whom, were totally innocent civilians. This war took place because globally, ordinary people allowed they're unprincipled, scheming politicians to take control of them and their future. I wish to offer my sincere thanks to you for your really splendid wise and humane comment you have made on this forum; which should be a lesson for us all to consume and start getting away from the indoctrination we humans have all been subjected to at some time in our lives; that the only way to settle our differences is by killing each other in the most brutal and barbaric fashion.
Once more, many thanks for your splendid contribution.

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Archie MacPherson2,

24/06/2007 20:31:07

melanthios - as it happens, I do know someone that is a journo at the Scotsman. I've dropped him a wee note, because the sort of stuff he has come out with is worse than anything I've ever seen on these pages. I don't take kindly to the being called a peadophile, and this kind of person needs to learn. I have plenty of time on my hands to persue this, lets see if they do.

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Florestan,

Aachen 24/06/2007 20:34:28

Welcome, Mr Blair, and God Bless....

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Not Me,

...good god....or not..... 24/06/2007 20:37:18

-John-

Did it really all have to come to this?

it seems that there are many on here who think your opinion ain't wirth too much.......

....my sympathies......

.....of course - they could all be bigot's - yip thats much easier to take....do you like what I did there?

Song moment - Everybody's Talkin'.................but about you -John_

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 20:39:43

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Aye...they dont like it when I fight back.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 20:41:29

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Report you?

Why?

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 20:44:06

260. Archie MacPherson2

Archie. If you've seen my posts regarding this maddie, the chances are they'll be deleted. I did it to make a point. I'm not proud of it, but on a serious note, sometimes the Scotsman is helluva slow to delete inflamatory comments. Some newspapers have a delay of about 20 minutes while the post is examined (usually the right-wing press), but I don't agree with this. I've been on other comments pages and it's galling to see that the comment never makes it as it probably goes against the newspaper's ideology.

What to do? IP address blocked? Don't know.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 20:45:09

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NM

Yes, asked for others a few times, and they seem to struggle!

Strange, eh?

I guess we could all unilaterally and arbritrarily decide certain people are mass murderers.

Psst.....I reckon ArchieMacPherson2 is a mass murderer too! I know....I know....it's libel....he'll sue!!! Got a journo pal at The Scotsman. Serious, eh? I wont sleep tonight worryin about it.

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 20:48:19

....Tuxedo Junction I am really interested in what you have to say...you have made a brilliant effort and that deserves recognition.I for one recognise you for what you are and can acknowledge talent when I see it.Please don't be offended or put off by abuse or insults...write some more,show us what you are REALLY made of,come on,write some more.....

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Boab,

Glasgow 24/06/2007 20:49:37

#265 Tuxedo Junction: "Aye...they dont like it when I fight back."

Wow, you're just like Buffy the Vampire Slayer with all your lame comebacks.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 20:50:10

Post 161 from Archie..

"The pope is the only one willing to forgive Blair - nothing like a good catholic confession...let popie kiss it better."

Awww..diddums....poor wee victim Anchie came on here trying to be smart...intolerant...bigotted.

Big bad Tux gave him some back......

Awwwwww......diddums!

The wee soul.............biut he's got a journo pal at The Scotsman.......so I'm in big trouble!!!! LOL!!!

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 20:50:35

265. Tuxedo Junction / 9:39pm 24 Jun 2007 263

"Aye...they dont like it when I fight back."

You're not fighting back Zoop-de-doo. You're name-calling - as I am. You're not clever. You're pathetic. You really do have a problem - one that unfortunately drugs can't cure. Lobotomy could help, but then again, you'd not be the same person afterwards. A better person - that's a given - but the same person, no. Did something happen to you in your youth? Sorry...I shouldn't have brought that up. You're remembering now. Was it someone you trusted Hmmm? Such anger from a small person. Seek help now before it eats you up.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 20:50:55

270

About as lame (and misinformed) as the bigots' attacks.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 20:51:47

272

Steady Mel.

That's libel.

I know someone at the Scotsman you know!!!

LOL!!!

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 20:57:04

#272

By the way...I went back a few posts. You're now at the raving stage (#268 & #271). See when you do lots of exclamation marks? This is normally a sign of Attention seeking behaviour. Look at me! Look at me! Trust me Tux, I know.
The following is normally bullsh¡t in posting:-
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
?????????????????????????????

It shows a distinct lack of control. I take back what I said on a previous post. Ritilin COULD help. Give it a try.

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BK,

24/06/2007 21:00:10

#150 Tuxedo Junction . I'm not a bigot - I'm a Catholic but willing to admit the goings on in my own church. These are a matter of historical record, not opinion.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:01:53

260

You gonna "persue" it Archie?

LOL!!

Hilarious!!!

Lots of time on yer hands?

I'll bet!!

See you in Court, Archie!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:02:43

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BK

Links?

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BK,

Cyberspace 24/06/2007 21:03:10

#155 Promotor Fidei.
I am totally familiar with the rules of canonisation and could go into great detail as to how they were broke, and all the irregularities in this case.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:03:27

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Look at me!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:04:35

279

Links?

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subrosa,

24/06/2007 21:05:08

#236 I refute your comment. Perhaps you don't listen hard enough to Tony Blair's speeches?? Try harder.... Remember the talk about going into Iraq? 2 million protesters were wrong and Blair, after one of his speeches, was told by his sidekicks to keep religion out of them. Well documented.

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BK,

Cyberspace 24/06/2007 21:05:16

#278
For a start
http://www.odan.org/tw_opposition_to_canonization.htm
An hundreds of others if you care to search.

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 21:05:34

hi Tuxedo...you're obviously a bit puffed and bruised after all that mental activity,take some time off,catch up on this week's Beano and Dandy,and don't worry,your confidence will return.....well I'm calling it a day confident that Blair,His Holiness,Madeleine,Henry and the Bush Cartel will get their day of reckoning....I am hitting the sack,need my beauty sleep.I suggest you do the same ,BUT,keep your hands above the covers so we can all see what you're up to when the lights go out.

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 21:06:26

Chookie doo Tux

You started off with a point. You now don't have a point. You have resorted to trying to get even. This is dangerous for you. It will not help your "situation". Either get back on track, or give it a rest. You will notice that you are now being ignored by many posters. You are now being seen as an object of ridicule, and with your condition, this is not helpful. I, of course, am still posting as I am trying to help. Normally I get paid for this, but in your case, I see it as a challenge and I waive my normal fee. Please look at your previous posts and ask yourself the following question. "If I were someone else and I read these posts and was NOT in agreement, what would I think?"

If you you say that they're a bit strong, we're well on the road. If, however, you say that they're OK, there's nothing I can do for you. Have a restful night.

If, of course, as we all suspect, that you are already on strong medication, I recommend valerian for a good night's sleep. It's a natural herb. Most sleeping aids have valerian in them, but charge 10 times the price.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:06:53

BK

back up your statements with some evidence please.

People are free to use their money legally for any means they wish. Its illegal use that we should be concerned with. See British Monarchy / Empire / Government for many better examples of cash for DIS-honourable rewards.

I hope that novels by conspiracy theorists are not your evidence.

Canonisation - nothing irregular - broke no rules. But you obviously dont believe in this anyway, so why so much concern.

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subrosa,

24/06/2007 21:07:15

I've just realised I've responded to antagonism from Tuxedo Junction. He has contributed nothing to this discussion except that. Go to bed and sleep it off.......

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BK,

Cyberspace 24/06/2007 21:07:21

Sorry that should have been #281

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:07:57

285

Thanks for your advice, Mel!!!!!

I'll bear it in mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:08:26

287

Yep, antagonised the bigots.

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 21:09:01

and Tuxedo,don't forget to say your prayers,just like mummy and daddy showed you.You never know there might JUST be someone up there watching you,apart from Big Brother

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:09:21

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BK

Links?

Credible websites?

Maybe the BBC?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:09:56

291

there may be!!!

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 21:11:00

284. wisdom (regarding Suck sicko)

Yep wisdom. I think tonight he'll be a busy busy boy!
How did the old song go again? Ah yes.

Four fingers one thumb keep moving
Four fingers one thumb keep moving
Four fingers one thumb keep moving
We'll all be merry and bright.

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thomas,

midlothian 24/06/2007 21:11:44

everywhere tony looks to place himself in a position of authority he is finding out he screwed up any chance of that becoming a reality. will this egotistical numpty get the message that nobody will trust him on anything. as for him being a christian
he is severely deluded again.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:11:51

283

Hundreds?

But none credible.

How about the BBC?

How did they report this appalling bit of news?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:12:52

294

you dont like it when the good guys fight back, eh?

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democracy,

Selkirkshire 24/06/2007 21:14:35

Tony to Pope..."I want to be a Catholic"
Pope to Tony..."OK if you want to be Catholic, I will become Islamic !!

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 21:16:23

289 #290

There we go with the "Look at me..look at me" again. If you want to make a point, one excamation mark will normally suffice - two at a push.

See when you said "antagonised the bigots?" We're all laughing at you. You can't antagonise anybody because your post are infantile. You may think you are being antagonistic, and if it makes you feel better, then fine. Bottom dollar is that you are a very weird guy (guy-ette?). ..under the covers time.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:16:39

BK

At 156 I posted the following:

"More than likely he'll offer some US based Micky Mouse intolerant secular society website and try to pass it off as credible."

Now, you offer a link from a website from ....err... this mob:

Opus Dei Awareness Network, Inc. (ODAN)
P.O. Box 4333
Pittsfield, MA 01202-4333

Telephone: 413-499-7168
Fax: 413-499-7860
Email: odan@odan.org

I GOT YOU RUMBLED PAL!!!!

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thomas,

midlothian 24/06/2007 21:17:08

he would do better as lofties mate.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:17:13

299

We're all laughing!!!!!

ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 21:20:10

297. Tuxedo Junction / 10:12pm 24 Jun 2007 294

"you dont like it when the good guys fight back, eh?"

I've mentioned to you before. You're not a good guy. Read your posts. Fight back? You haven't fought back. You've responded in a juvenile way, but then again, you probably are a juvenile. Assuming you are and you are getting off on this, fine. I would be extremely worried if you were an adult. Naw...that's not possible. Good night Tucky. I'm off.

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BK,

Cyberspace 24/06/2007 21:20:36

#293
I have already provided one (in#283), but here are others (among many hundreds)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josemaria_Escriva

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2303247.stm

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:21:31

Mel at #175:

Tony will become catholic

Tony will confess his war crimes to his priest

Priest will tell him to say a few "How's yer fathers"

Tony will explain that he shouldn't, no really, he shouldn't, because he was saving mankind from a tyrant. Couldn't he just skip that one?

Priest will tell him that it doesn't work that way

Tony will suggest that in HIS opinion, the church is wrong

Priest turns Protestant

Tony wonders, yet again, just what he had done wrong

__________________________________________

And now you want to comment on me, Mel?

YOU need help, Mel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Not Me,

...good god....or not..... 24/06/2007 21:23:13

-John-

You haven't yet shown me what in any of this is bigotted?

...I know you think they are but can you show me how and where and why????

LOOK AT ME TOO????????????????????????????

Song moment - Life in the Fast Lane......surely gonna lose your mind.......been living too fast -John-?

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 21:23:35

boy that was a short night!...I am feeling very refreshed.It's amazing how well those of us with a CLEAR CONSCIENCE sleep....are you awake yet Tuxedo,Come on ,hold the bed sheets up so we can all see whether or not all those naughty rumours about you are true or not.

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 21:24:28

302. Tuxedo Junction / 10:17pm 24 Jun 2007 299

"We're all laughing!!!!!
ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!"

Unfortunately Tuxedo, we are. There was a song in the 60s (you won't know it as it was way before you were born), and the chorus was:-

"They're coming to take me away,
Haha, they're coming to take me away,
Ho ho, hee hee, ha ha,
To the funny farm
Where Life is Beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those Nice Young Men
In their Clean White Coats
And they're coming to take me AWAY,
HA HAAAAA"

Ther is another chorus, but this one will suffice.

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BK,

Cyberspace 24/06/2007 21:25:03

#300
Odan is not some "Micky Mouse intolerant secular society website" as you insultingly put it. It is an organisation of Catholics who are ex members of Opus Dei, and thus know an awful lot about it from bitter personal experience, not in ignorance of it liker you are. You are the bigot, so I won't discuss this any further with someone like you. Good Night!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:26:09

304

I was kinda hoping you would provide links that would substantiate the drivel you posted at 149. Have you got any or not?

PS: Dont bother with the silly American secular sods websites. Limit yourself to credible sources, eh?

Reminder of your drivel at 149:

the cash for canonisation scandal has already happened. When the Vatican Bank lost billions (not of their money but that of their investors) they were bailed out by rich members of Opus Dei (Opus Diaboli?) All the perpetrators of the fraud ended up very dead indeed, and Opus Dei got the founder of their sect made a saint in a very irregular canonisation which broke all the Church's own rues on the matter.
If this wasn't cash for canonisation (and murders) nothing was. Yes, Tony has found his spiritual home at last.

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 21:29:22

I've picked picked up what you have to say about THE GOOD GUYS FIGHTING BACK....sorry son,you're wrong AGAIN,....you see I AM ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS...you really must concentrate a bit harder and try to do better next time ...still credit where it's due,not a bad effort considering your background

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:29:47

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BK

Doin a runner?

CANNOT substantiate your lies?

Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

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24/06/2007 21:29:52

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:31:00

313

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

??????????????????

Night night sweetie!!!!!!!!!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:31:33

Sorry Wisdom.....must have missed your good post!!!!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:32:21

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Mel

We're all laughing at YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:33:27

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NM

You're right, NM - I haven't!!!!

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Melanthios,

Stirling 24/06/2007 21:33:44

#314. Tuxedo Junction (or round the bend)

"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

??????????????????

Night night sweetie!!!!!!!!!"
..........................................
But I'll be awake in the morning. Will you? Think about it. It's a voodoo thing!

(One exclamation mark is enough).

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:34:58

318

Hey Mel.....still doin the bigotry thang?

Not like it when a good guy comes back at you?????????

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 21:37:44

#315...there you go again....you must concentrate,pay attention to what's going on around you,I know it's hard for the likes of you but the effort will bring results,try it ,you'll be surprised

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Not Me,

...good god....or not..... 24/06/2007 21:38:03

-John-

Can you point out the bigotted posts and if so will you?

Off to bed now to read a retort to the God Dellusion - but it seems to be more of a pampphlet than a book and written by someone who takes offense too easily - do you write books/pamphlets -John-?

Song moment - ghost Dancing....

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:40:31

321

I could, NM.....and no, I wont.

If you cant see bigotyry on this exchange I have bad news for you: you've gone blind!

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:41:23

320

been paying attention, wisdom, still cant see your good post.

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Boab,

Glasgow 24/06/2007 21:42:07

I can do it too, Tuxedo:

Nope. Ha-ha!

I laugh at you all bigots!!!!!!!

I really funny and clever. LOL!!!!!!!

You is WRONG.

etc

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:42:41

BK????

Yoo hoo?

You made some serious accusations about the Church?

You were gonna provide links to substantiate?

Nothing doing?

Ran away?

Tut tut.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:43:06

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VG!

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 21:47:05

#323....guess what son....I been reading through and I can't find one of yours either....but I'll keep searching...I don't give up

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:47:44

328

dont bother.

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Not Me,

...good god....or not..... 24/06/2007 21:48:14

-John-

I can see people who might not like the Catholic Church - or indeed Religion (since I can see my own posts) but i can see no bigotry!

....Blindness for me then.....

Song moment - Love is Blindness........my that may well be even too depp for you -John-

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:49:12

330

Braille keyboard for you then, NM!!!

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 21:56:43

#328....you sound a bit hurt ! sorry if you're offended...I know I can be a bit insensitive....but I'll keep searching,'cos you're special,1 in a million in fact

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:57:22

Media 1

#83

Quote: "My problem is with the evil within the Vatican. Its appalling! That such a barbaric organisation is permitted to exist is beyond belief, but then thats what power buys you I guess."

Tell us more. As your post was present tense, please avoid temptation to tell us about some bad guys in the Middle Ages, and give us some current stuff.

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:57:50

332

hurt?

moi?

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Tuxedo Junction,

24/06/2007 21:58:36

330

Too John Depp?

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Not Me,

...good god....or not..... 24/06/2007 21:59:47

#331

Can you get one of those?

How do you read the screen?

Anyway - off now to broaden my narrow mind.....

Song moment - Blinded by the light..........

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Not Me,

...good god....or not..... 24/06/2007 22:01:33

woops,

Deep - obviously - not Depp .....though as a Pirate he does get into some deep sh1t for a Depp.....

...that'll do for a Movie moment.....

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 22:21:07

In the past mankind was controlled by Religion...obey or burn in Hell.War played a part too...fear was used to control us...now however money and debt are found to be more effective....Blair and the Vatican both know this.

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sairus,

luton 24/06/2007 22:26:00

FEMALE CIRCUMCISION IN EGYPT IS PRACTICED BY HUNTER GATHERER TRIBES IN EAST AFRICA AS WELL AS MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN GIRLS IN EGYPT BUT IS NOT PRACTISED ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE ARAB WORLD(INCLUDING GREECE AND TURKEY) AND IN BRITISH INDIA(MUSLIMS I QUOTE). IN RESPECT TO BENEDICTINE, FRANCISCAN AND AUGUSTINE ORDERS OF THE IMMACULTE SISTERHOOD OF PURE ATTENUATION OF SINGULARITY, I HEARBY GIVE EVIDENCE OF BUILDER DNA FROM THE LANDS OF THE PHARAOH'S , NATURE DOING ITS WORK REGARDING UNIVERSAL CONCEPTS ACROSS PHYLOGENETIC LINES FROM HUMAN SPIECES TO THE ANIMAL WORLD. HOW DO BABY SPIDERS LEARN TO SPIN WEBS THEY ARE NOT TAUGHT. LIKE A BLANK STATE OF MIND VIA LANGUAGE INSTINCT, CHILDREN ARE BORN WITH LANGUAGE READY BRAINS THAT REQUIRE NATURE VIA NATURE STIMULUS PROGRAMMING THAT IS THE PARENTS ROLE. HOW SPACE IS REPRESENTED IN THE BRAIN VIA EXPONENTIAL GROWTH IN FINITE SPACE, ON FINITE PLANET FOR EXAMPLE EARTH, WE HUMANS LIKE A PLAGUE OF LOCUSTS THAT DESCENDED ON EGYPT WILL HAVE NO ALTERNATIVES AS WE ARE STILL MONKEYS IN THE TREE REQUARDING AQUISITION OF KNOWLEDGE WHICH SHOULD BE THE DRIVING FORCE OF HUMAN NATURE, WEALTH I UNDERSTAND, REQUARDING THE SOLAR SYSTEM AND BEYOND, IF WE ARE TO SEEK ALTERNATIVES, HELIUM 3 FOR EXAMPLE ON THE MOON NOT FOUND ON PLANET EARTH FOR NEXT GENERATION FUSION REACTORS, SHOULD WE DESCEND UPON THE COSMOS, PLANET HOPPING LIKE A PLAGUE OF LOCUSTS, EXPONENTIAL GROWTH ON FINITE PLANET THEN SPACE, WAS HAL WRONG IN 2001 IN SHUTTING DOWN THE LIFE SUPPORT SYSTEMS AND THAT IS A MACHINE LEARNING AT A GEOMETRIC GRADIENT REQUARDING THE VALUE PIE APPROXIMATING TO INFINITY WILL YOUR SYSTEM CRASH, FOR EXAMPLE EXPONENTIAL GROWTH ON FINITE PLANET LIKE AN ASTEROID IMPACT IN YOUR CONSCIENCNESS THAT WIPED OUT THE DINOSAURS AND MAMMALS ROSE, WHAT HAS ALL THIS GOT TO DO WITH FEMALE CIRCUMCISION YOU ALL ASK? HER IS THE LINK:-

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/200

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KaiPie,

24/06/2007 22:33:19

No#-339

Eh?

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elizabeth veldon,

24/06/2007 22:38:12

340. KaiPie

No#-339

Eh?

---ignore them and they'll go away.

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gerad,

london 24/06/2007 22:51:02

Is it not about time that poor wee adolf was made a saint.

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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 24/06/2007 23:05:37

What a pity this hypocritical man didn't remove the bigoted act of Settlement from the statute books when he had the chance.

1/2 assed reform of the House of Lords, sell out to Conservatism, the most repressive Home Office policies in history and the launch of an illegal invasion which has destroyed the credibilty of the United Nations, gee what a legacy.

Dour Gordon won't even last the next election as a new cretinous smiling clown will soon be in the hot seat where he will continue the unbroken line of Conservativism since Thatcher. Labour's political ethos has died under Tony Blair and it won't recover.

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sairus,

luton 24/06/2007 23:06:52

EH? FOLLOW AND READ LINK KAIPIE AND ELIZABETH WELDON:-

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/bdykes.html

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mr chips,

24/06/2007 23:10:05

339. sairus, luton/ We are not fooking deaf"stop shouting" idiot.

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whatsyourname,

24/06/2007 23:10:22

Biggest bunsh of bull Iv read in a while

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sairus,

luton 24/06/2007 23:25:59

IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW IM INTERESTED

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davidinaussie,

australia 24/06/2007 23:29:38

he sold out the unionists british protestants in ulster it was only a matter of time before he sold out the rest of the british people no chance he put a few opus di into high places in parliment

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Senga Jean,

24/06/2007 23:36:22

If I were Pope . I would let him fry in Hell.

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mr chips,

24/06/2007 23:41:38

Teflon tony wants the benefit of running into the pineapple and shouting "sanctuary".

Too late scumbag, even the pope thinks you are an
undesirable.

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sairus,

luton 24/06/2007 23:51:37

FOOKING CHALLENGE ME IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ME

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sairus,

luton 24/06/2007 23:55:44

ANY RIGHTWING GROUP IN THE WORLD, MUSLIM, JEW AND CHRISTIANS CHALLENGE ME IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW BETTER

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sairus,

luton 24/06/2007 23:58:53

I NEVER BEEN TO PRINCETON OR OXFORD BUT I CAN KICK ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS CHALLENGE ME

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macdonaj,

Winnipeg.Canada 25/06/2007 00:06:33

To # 13. We applaud your courage and totally agree
with the sentiments you expressed in your post.

Well done!

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sairus,

luton 25/06/2007 00:11:42

The word SOMME is a CELTIC word and it means TRANQUILITY. The Great Scotsman ADAM SMITH Father of Economics.

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Cyril,

New Zealand 25/06/2007 00:15:39

Seems to be a lot of bigots around. There are many Roman Catholicss in Australia and New Zealand and many who fought for Britain in the past but will not do in the future. What Blair's religion is should be a private affair. Also the British people were keen to have him as their PM so when he went to war with Iraq why didn't they kick him out. The unpopular government in Fiji was thrown out by the military so why couldnt the British Army do the same to the British Governemnt. Many big mouths and armchair critics around today so there is so much trouble in the world today instead of peace.

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sairus,

luton 25/06/2007 00:23:27

Stalin was a COMMUNIST and he racketeered his own people, millions of russians went to the GULAGS

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sairus,

luton 25/06/2007 00:38:46

THE SELFISH GENE Richard Dawkins, the smart boys at Enron read this book it compliments The Great Scotsman Adam Smith "Wealth of Nations" today its Warren Buffet the second richest man inthe World, regarding the Prohibition Era in the United States who made a mint during that period? the Great Scots and Italians. Supply and Demand. Tobbacco, Liquor an Guns Barrons. Arms Dealers for example

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sairus,

luton 25/06/2007 00:44:19

Now go back and read MY article on female circumsicion #339 about ethics and morals and do not fooking dictate to me again about ILLITERATE FOOKERS that read my articles in the first place!

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Promotor Fidei,

25/06/2007 00:47:52

#BK

I've read the links you referred to and on balance find they dont provide the evidence you seek, in fact I'm inclined to say they do the oppposite.

An example of someone who dedicated his life to bringing people closer to God. Who chose to interpret the Bible not in an easy way to suit the vagaries of modern life with all its temptations, but ina simple way with humility and dignity, traits the majority of people have forgotten. An obvious target for those who cannot mantain such a vocation.

I am not a member, but have found it very interesting reading through the links you graciously provided.

Returning to the original article I hope that these two attributes, dignity and humility, are something which TB, all politicians and leaders and all on this thread can find time to develop within themselves, and show to others.

Perhaps then we could have shortened this thread to the 10 or so sensible contributions on both sides of the argument which have been made.

Having stated you know all about the Canonisation process, can you see the irony in my name, and yes I am aware of the changes which have taken place.

Sairus you seem troubled and challenged enough without anyone on here challenging you. Sorry to be so un-charitable.

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sairus,

luton 25/06/2007 01:17:23

Cloning technology Eh? You English love breeding Dogs a Paddy told me that once, The Irish they love breeding horses ask the The Great Scots about Gaming Licenses In the US what if there was Prohibition Act instead of Patriot Act. Instead of liquor, gambling was band in the US during 1920's, remember the Stock Market crash of 1929 that is not going to stop the Great Scot Formula One boys pushing into the Black Market Prices and selling it back to the US public whose religous rightwing banned Alchohol in the first place! YOU Scots, not micro-management or middlemangers of art and cultures around the world, made Opium addicts out of the Chinese FOR ALL THE TEA IN CHINA. During EMPIRE HISTORY IN BRITISH INDIA YOU Scots managed the tea Plantations . I appologise for any outburts but Pyramid selling is as old as EYGPT. Six day war if you Scots remember and half a dozen of the other. "The Prisoner" Name not Number. If you cannot trust a fix who can you trust you are back in the Jungle, Anarchy. Ask the ancient Italians. British India Balkanisation was due to MATCH FIXING by the Architects Of PAX BRITIANICUS forget them British Indian Fookers they are all HINDU'S.

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sairus,

luton 25/06/2007 01:28:58

LOVE AND HATE THATS me Sairus in one, AM I NOT My Brothers Keeper said Cain. I keep everything in balance, Logic and Emotion DIAMOND CONFLICT in Me GEEZER. Goodnight to you all Shepards of flocks in Scotland

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Tom More,

Canada 25/06/2007 03:28:56

"Blair tells Pope: I'm ready to become a Catholic." reads the headline. Er...exactly when did he say this?
Is there part of the Eddie Barnes interview missing, or has Scotland on Sunday joined the Glasgow Daily Record school of headline writing, where stories and their headlines rarely match up ?

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james 1st,

nz 25/06/2007 06:44:37

the man is a coward, if he wanted to convert to catholicism he should have done so before not put it off

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wisdom,

Edinburgh 25/06/2007 08:10:18

#356....if you examine the British electoral system you will see that the majority of voters in the UK did not vote for Mr.Blair.As for the people or the army getting rid of him,well YOU will have to do a lot more research before YOU get to understand how the organs of state and the power structure operate in the UK...This is a very thoroughly policed state,albeit low key and discreet.Mr.Blair,the senior military,police and members of the business community are members of a brotherhood,freemasonry.Therefore the chances of the mere people,or the army getting rid of him,are non existent.....of course if he does convert to Catholicism he will still be attending masonic rituals,but then than is not a religion,or so we are told....I wonder which lodge the Pope attends?

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Farky,

BLAIR IS A WAR CRIMINAL 25/06/2007 09:13:35

Does anyone really give a toss?
Blair is war criminal, perhaps he needs reminding!

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The Wizard,

OZ 25/06/2007 09:28:39

Is it allowable to be a Catholic when you are married to a witch?

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Scotsman in Dublin,

25/06/2007 10:48:37

Seems a bit hypocritical of Blair to continue pretending to be an Anglican for political reasons if he is truly a catholic at heart. If these are his true beliefs why didnt he convert while he was a prime minister and challenge the constitutional authority that Church of England has within the UK system?

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joejohn,

nyc 25/06/2007 13:16:31

To many of the posting are evil and just simple bar room chatter of shock tabloid languages. Just are mostly common bloggers with a great misunderstanding of the role of respectful discourse. In the era of sit com and shock TV Radio internet comes out of mouths of babes. We lost our way for the refinement of social communications and exquisite etiquette. We must learn to impress with subtlety and refinement and protect the sanctity of the minds of readers. Tony Blair is the topic and on a topic that one would think would be mindful of his personal very personal plans. Sure in the public eye but the wantonness of discourse is a slash and burn of arrogant spillage of unfiltered grace.

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molu kikes,

basellandschaftliche(BL) 25/06/2007 15:37:38

oh as jabs of his is leading of late swelling , the frency blair who was once belonging to the top group of ugly rumours perverted his career in joining political caucas in uk goverment where he ruled the english goverment for adecade , now contemporalily runining only in his constituency down there in seigford,. he do promise to commit himself to change his narrative style to roman catholic as his term in the goverment era elapsed,. perhaps unlike the crowell who work for God completely hislife , perhaps blair stand will be that episode after his total resignation from the politic
perhaps he want to repent the misfortune event during his criss and rift in uk and middleeast

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molu kikes,

basellandschaftliche(BL) 25/06/2007 15:46:56

blair joing the roman catholic , why is not going to the ancient church of canturbury or the glatonbury or the third in the list trio ,.perhaps he was influenced by the popery man currently on the helm , or historical blacklash where most english and dioceses used to visit the roman church when the spread of english church was at his cradle point ,. as religious reveals amost 12 decipals lost their life as request of hazard and ill whence as religion moment than blair has revealed himself as an scottish man with sense of gravitas and consensual thereby he has sense of way toward his mediavels traditional ways

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Smelly Jobby,

25/06/2007 15:58:34

Blair can become a baby-eating satanic demi-john of the moomin cult, for all I care. They need to change the law to allow catholics to become PM and Monarch though - it is utterly stupid, otherwise.

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Tuxado Junction,

25/06/2007 15:59:47

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billy liar?

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Vincent W,

Edinburgh 25/06/2007 16:34:25

The quality of debate and discussion concerning this article is generally very poor.

If this is what secularism does for deep thinking then Tony is probably right!

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Tuxado Junction,

25/06/2007 17:25:13

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Oliver F,

UK 25/06/2007 18:18:39

Joe M. #343

"...and the launch of an illegal invasion which has destroyed the credibilty of the United Nations..."

Destroyed the credibility of the UN? What credibility? The UN lost its credibility long, long before the Iraq war. The UN is innefective, corrupt and biased. Its just as bad, if not worse, than its predecessor the League of Nations.

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Phillip,

25/06/2007 21:48:51

Has this thread reached a record for deleted comments?

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john sleossor laybourne,

luton 25/06/2007 22:25:48

Blair will do anything to be in the limelight. Would not be surprised if next headline is "BLAIR WALKS ON WATER".

Well maybe it will be like his resignation along time coming but often dandied about.

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lopezoms,

houston, texas 26/06/2007 00:13:26

Glad to see that no one has fallen for this statement by blair....

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weechico,

26/06/2007 07:36:24

EVE #136 Well said!

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the random one,

Glasgow 26/06/2007 11:04:14

Can anyone smell burnt toast ???

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Goomba,

Ohio, USA 27/06/2007 13:53:05

You say you're ready to become a Catholic, Mr. Blair? Let's find out: Have you renounced your support for abortion? Will you cease advocating the use of embryos for stem cell harvesting? Will you love God unconditionally and have no other gods before Him, including the false gods of power? Will you lay down your worldly gains to gain the love and salvation of Jesus? Will you attend Mass? Will you confess your sins often? Will you pray? Will you read and love Sacred Scripture to know God and His Church better? Will you love your wife as Christ loves the Church?

If you can answer a resounding "Yes!" to all these questions then welcome to the Catholic Church and I will call you my brother in Christ.

If not, sir, then I hope you pray and reflect more. Being Catholic is not just about becoming part of a mere organization. No. Becoming a Catholic means lovingly accepting all the Church's doctrines, not just those you happen to like. We have enough "cafeteria Catholics" already so what we seek are converts with zeal and a thirst for a true relationship with Jesus Christ. Can you follow in Cardinal Newman's footsteps, the greatest British convert of all?

Mr. Blair, I'm going to make it a point to pray for you intensely as you discern the Faith. God be with you.

John

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Tuxado Junction,

27/06/2007 18:51:42

Goomba

Ya reckon Tony will come here to read your insane rant?

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Firozali B.Mulla MA M.Sc,

Bar-Es-Bert's West End 27/06/2007 21:32:44

Why does the pope thrill you all and blaire's unlucky unholy life? And this story is so old, so why do you press it down our throat days later? Wrong and browne will do all to interest us.

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Loris,

Loris 28/06/2007 09:07:01

I pray for Tony Blair and his family to be a good christian family!

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Jason,

Japan 30/06/2007 19:13:24

If Christianity were to be judged on the misery it has visited on mankind, then who would be Christian, particularly Catholic? Only the terminally deluded, as how else than by its history should Christianity be judged?
Separate religion from belief in God and you might just get to first base.
Now why does everyone take an instant dislike to me? Probably because it simply saves a lot of time.

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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 30/06/2007 21:55:58

#133 You need help quickly.You are obviously a deranged bigot.

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