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Unflinching Rangers pile on pressure



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Published Date: 30 December 2007
Ibrox men take psychological boost into derby after sweeping aside dismal Hibs
HIBERNIAN 1
Zemmama 88

RANGERS 2
Naismith 12; Cousin 59


RANGERS upped the ante ahead of the second Old Firm match of the season and reminded Celtic that, in this campaign, they will have to fend off a challenge if they want t
o retain the title. For Hibs there was just more misery.

When these teams last squared up, at Ibrox in October, Hibs were on an unbeaten run of nine games, and added Rangers' scalp to the collection with what remains the Old Firm side's only home league defeat of the season. Since then, the Easter Road side have endured a massive downturn in fortunes.

Going into this one on the back of one win in ten games, without key players such as the injured Steven Fletcher, David Murphy and Abdessalam Benjelloun and minus a manager, there was a sense of dread in the stands.

In recent times the capital side's record against the Old Firm sides has negated those worries. A record of five games on the trot without losing to the Glasgow pair has been impressive but, in the current climate, it was one which never really stood a chance of being extended.

There was too much at stake for Rangers. With Celtic not playing until later, they wanted to make the most of the early kick-off to leapfrog their title rivals, albeit temporarily, and pile on the pressure ahead of the January 2 derby. With two games in hand, they knew victory here would give them the real psychological advantage.

And from the outset they were the team with the fluency and fire to push forward. With the central midfield trio of Barry Ferguson, Brahim Hemdani and Kevin Thomson bossing the middle of the park, the threat was posed down the flanks, with Chris Burke and Steven Naismith occupying the minds of the Hibs backline, who were far from comfortable as Rangers swung in crosses for Daniel Cousin and even more uneasy when the tricky duo cut inside and ran at them. Tackles were missed and frustration mounted, especially as it took goalkeeper Yves Ma-Kalambay time to settle and every time they did venture forward, a lack of options meant they were soon on the retreat again.

There were shouts for a Rangers penalty in the fifth minute when Burke went to ground under the close attentions of Lewis Stevenson but referee Charlie Richmond waved the appeals aside. Barry Ferguson then had a long-range pop.

There was the feeling that an opening Rangers goal was imminent but as the visitors allowed the ball to do the work and Hibs huffed and puffed, chasing shadows and trying to close the opposition down, the understanding was that even if they didn't break the deadlock in that early period, the goal would materialise later in the game as the home team's energy supplies depleted.

Without Fletcher and Benji, Hibs had little creativity or presence up front, Clayton Donaldson anonymous until the substitute board was held up in the 63rd minute to signal his withdrawal for Merouane Zemmama and remind everyone he had actually been on the pitch. By then the Govan side were already two goals up and cruising. The opener had come in the 12th minute when the two wide men combined. Burke, having cut in and bypassed Ross Chisholm, played the ball across to the back post where the onrushing Naismith beat Thierry Gatheussi to the ball and lashed it into the net.

The second could have arrived a lot sooner than it did, given Rangers' dominance. In the 29th, minute Ma-Kalambay failed to hold an in-swinging Thomson free-kick and the keeper was lucky that his body blocked the follow-up shot from Carlos Ceullar before Gatheussi cleared.

It was 33 minutes before Hibs really made a nuisance of themselves in the away box but there were too many bodies for Dean Shiels to make anything of it. Cousin then tried a long-range effort at the other end. Just before half time, Thomson went on a mazy run, cutting through the midfield before laying off to Ferguson who breenged into the box unhindered but somehow Hibs escaped without going another goal down.

In the second half, Shiels forced Allan McGregor's involvement with a low drive but it was an easy take for the Rangers keeper, while the 55th-minute cross from Alan O'Brien summed up Hibs problems, coming in too close to Steven Whittaker, who headed away. Four minutes later Cousin perfected the long-range effort he had tried in the first half, sending a searing strike into the Hibs net from about 20 yards for a two-goal lead.

Even with Rangers dropping down a gear, conserving their lead and energy, fairly confident that Hibs lacked the cutting edge to pull two back, the amount of possession enjoyed was incredible for an away side at Easter Road. But it did eventually lead to a lack in concentration. So comfy, it was unsurprising that they momentarily dozed off to allow Hibs a late, futile lifeline. For all the extra work Hibs had been putting in to render themselves less penetrable, there was still a lack of spark in the ranks and the unshakeable feeling that, while they were showing more industry, there was no cutting edge. Until Zemmama eventually entered the fray.

With 88 minutes gone, the little Moroccan sent in a long-range effort which caught Rangers off guard and reduced the deficit and, while he made another burst upfield when the ball broke soon after, skipping through a handful of players before attempting to squeeze the ball through to O'Brien, Rangers managed to get the intervention.

It was a more anxious ending that Rangers' dominance and Hibs' dullness had merited but it was still three points to mix up the title race even further and see Hibs slump extended to only one win in 11 games.

MAN OF THE MATCH: Chris Burke was a constant thorn in the Hibs side and the width offered by him and Steven Naismith may be a telling factor at Celtic Park on Wednesday if they get the nod.

ASIDE: The biggest cheer from the Hibs fans was reserved for the announcement that the temporary closure of the M8 meant Rangers fans and players were going to have a long journey home.




The full article contains 1076 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 30 December 2007 1:11 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Hibernian FC , Rangers FC
 
1

Richardinho,

30/12/2007 00:11:24
Celtic playing within themselves yet still got three goals. Rangers supposedly brilliant yet could have let the victory slip away, and still can't seem to keep a clean sheet.

I'm not sure Rangers are necessarily in the better position. There's an energy about Celtic all of a sudden. A desire to go out and win if nothing else. Rangers on the other hand might just be running out of steam.
2

Wee Pal Joe,

30/12/2007 00:15:38
Rangers played really well and could easily have scored more goals. Nobody who actually watched the game could sensible suggest the Gers are "running out of steam".
3

Richardinho,

30/12/2007 00:27:01
I'd like to know why we're not allowed to comment on the Celtic match report.
4

Wee Pal Joe,

30/12/2007 00:28:21
Maybe it'll be opened up for comment later. I doubt there's anything sinister in it.
5

Richardinho,

30/12/2007 00:28:32
#2
Ranger's defence has certainly ran out of steam. When was the last time they got a clean sheet? First few months under the new management they hardly leaked any goals, now they lose at least one every match now it seems.
6

Richardinho,

30/12/2007 00:49:13
Rangers have been the favourites for every old firm game for as long as I can remember. So be it.

It's amusing to hear the buns talking up what a creative player McGeady is after years of dismissing him!

However, with Macdonald, Venegoor of Hesselink, Brown, Riordan and Donati, et all, we have more than enough players in the side able to do the job.
7

West Aus Hibee,

Perth, WA 30/12/2007 00:56:03
2-1, sounds like we got off lightly there.
I honestly cannot see this slump stopping any time soon. 26th January - Gretna, we might get a point from that one
8

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 01:20:48
rangers werte well worth their win today..although in the second half hibs were abysmal...how burke could be made man of the match after one of the most consistant displays of diving i can remember seeing..in the first half there must have been 5-6 dives...yes lets stamp out cheating by not even mentioning it..in fact lets give the cheat man of the match..dreadful x
9

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 02:56:36
Hi Gaigin Man! Merry Shinto/xmas whatever you do in the land of the rising sun!Stay aff the Saki big man! you are startin tae ramble!Think the Hoops will be a tougher proposition than you'd imagine come Wed.That aside,an early "Happy new year" to ALL!
10

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:14:09
#21 Mr Ritchie...If you get through those fixtures without a black eye/splenic rupture,I will salute you!
Me?I'm off to my scratcher!bad day at black rock...Remember guys,we all have a go at each other over what seems very important, but tonights sad new about Phil O'Donnell puts the WHOLE thing into sharp relief.
11

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:38:14
thats whit aw the wimmen a go wi say tae...:@(
12

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:41:32
Song moment "Ground control to Major Tom...."
13

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:43:01
Or Jonah Lewie.."you'll always find me in the kitchen at parties.."
14

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:45:34
Saw Mark Knopfler/Emmy Lou Harris in Dublin 18 months ago...still tingling from the guitar work..FAB!
15

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:49:17
that was a reference to me bringing folk "down to earth" Sorry for being obtuse/or aright tube!
16

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:50:57
why do I get the feeling that the songs I've mentioned are nightclubs in your home town?This is getting SCARY!
17

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:53:56
Thats like saying "I know a REALLY good Brain Surgeon,but HEY!I can slice the Medulla Oblongata with the best of them when I want too!"
18

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:55:06
Sorry mate...Im in Swords ...See what I did there? Man in Swords..Swordsman?
19

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:56:12
Where in the royal Co...not TOO specific and all?
20

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 03:59:56
Figures that a 'gers fan would live in the Royal County in Ireland lololol
21

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:03:20
Mbawza..I believe that the Dublin Loyal are still working out of the George on errm George St...for all you non dubs...its the capitals' premier gay niterie so if you are looking for "Likeminded fellows" thats the place apparently...
22

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:03:58
Ian Andrews...
23

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:04:21
and his dad Eamonn
24

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:04:22
and his dad Eamonn
25

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:08:42
Seriously though...i believe that is where they meet!
Honest!btw have Chelsea/gers fans who have ripped my shorts to shreds in the last few so in the words of Michael Jackson..."You are not alone"...
26

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:09:52
worst of player from both sides?
27

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:11:04
qualify....worst OF player to play more that a couple of games..
28

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:26:10
Boom Tish!As a vegetarian I hope you dont get JCD...ooops I mean CJD or Blue tounge from Daniel Coosarse
29

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:31:49
Awful..went home and immediatly realised why I left!That and having the flu through the holiday bash didnt help! how was Christmas for you Mr Lawrence?
30

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:32:47
Listening to Ruichi Sakamoto now ...Fab
31

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:33:40
Might dig out some Stomu Yomashta later to pep me up
32

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:37:52
God love you son...Can just see you doing Marillion covers to bemused,half jaiked japanese captains of industry..All together now..."KAYLEIGH"
33

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:42:55
if you can get past BIS..or Big in Japan in the non ironic chart..
34

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:46:57
check you out on youtube/bebo/myspace..japan loyal ftp.com........
35

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:51:26
Two songs! that a REPERTIORE!Keep on rocking! Been to see the Proclaimers,Squeeze,Ryan Adams and an Irish band called KIla in the last 4 weeks...Its my lifeblood seeing bands so go for it!!
36

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 04:57:44
If ever there was an oxymoronic phrase it would be "Decent Drummer"...That aside ...love Billy Cobham/Neale Peart and Dave Grohl!
37

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:04:07
Eric was the original guy from the Lizzy...Phil who died 22 yrs ago this coming week is buried in Sutton Cemetery,about 5 miles from where I live...might pop along and pay my respects to a real LEGEND!
38

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:09:38
absolutely...The live N dangerous version is awesome!Believe that S Graham was so strung out that he was crying during the solo...Saw them at the Apollo in 78...WAHH!
39

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:11:48
Phil in Scotland top...Mirror scratch plate on the bass and that swagger!
40

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:17:17
The apollo bouncers were the pits....Saw Black Sabbath/Van Halen in 78..Just finished my last higher at school and swallowed 2 bottles of Pomagne on the train BEFORE getting to the gig...all I remember apart from the bands wee thes clowns in suits looking for ANYONE to have a go with...Halcyeon days!
41

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:19:10
Got my own back later that year with the Clash though>>>>>Got right intae them!!!
42

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:26:40
was never lifted but have been close enough at Horslips/Clash/UFO/The Jam/Rush/Rory Gallagher etc...My wife maintains that she was in a riot while watching the Birthday Party and wasalmost lifted...We are Neds,I suppose!
43

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:28:03
Too much heavy in the Burns Howff if you ask me!
44

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:34:20
SAw the 'Oo at Cp in 76..Billed as match of the day...Fab gig with SAHB as support.
As For Rory...What a guy...Festival here in Ballyshannon everyear to celebrate his life.ITS HUGE NOW!
45

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 05:35:03
K mate...Later!
46

calscot,

30/12/2007 07:40:10
Bit self indulgent to pollute a newspaper's football comment thread with a completely irrelevant private conversation. Ever tried IRC? Instant messaging? Email? Sms? Phone, pub, etc? Your exchange may be interesting to each other but it's pretty dull, tedious and annoying to others. Imagine what these pages would be like if everyone did their bebo stuff here...
47

calscot,

30/12/2007 07:40:16
Bit self indulgent to pollute a newspaper's football comment thread with a completely irrelevant private conversation. Ever tried IRC? Instant messaging? Email? Sms? Phone, pub, etc? Your exchange may be interesting to each other but it's pretty dull, tedious and annoying to others. Imagine what these pages would be like if everyone did their bebo stuff here...
48

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 30/12/2007 07:40:42
if ye'd like to hear a great fairly new aussie band try the panics --- albums called cruel guard--- magic
49

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 30/12/2007 07:57:08
reading back through posts --- also saw thin lizzy at apollo several times in seventies -- saw SAHB in sydney six months ago --was very impressed didn't think anyone could fill alex's shoes--but young guy did really good job--- zal still magic
50

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 30/12/2007 08:06:59
don't know! got their autographs on set list but was steamin by end of night
it was very small venue but suited the band perfectly
very disappointed they didn't play tomahawk kid despite pleas from audience
51

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 30/12/2007 08:24:31
yep -- the good old days! mcCloy jardine mathieson grieg mcKinnon -------------- plus SAHB / TL / Tom Petty
enjoyed the chat but got to take dugs for a walk as sun has just gone down
fingers crossed for wed ---think 0-2 rangers and a wee bit of smog gloatin
all the best
52

Tellitasitis,

Lurgan Co Armagh 30/12/2007 08:32:58
Swordsman.
Was at the Knoplfer / EmmyLou Harris at the Point myself. Brilliant!

Going to see him at the Odyssey in May and following that up with Springstein at the RDS 2 days later.

Think we'll have the SPL wrapped up by then?
53

Carntyne,

30/12/2007 09:03:05
Unflinching Rangers Pile on Pressure!

Gawd Help Us!

Does the Scotsman not have any journalists on their staff who can report a match in an entertaining and non-partisan fashion?

The sychophantic warblings of Moira Gordon et al regarding Rangers are sometimes just to much to take.

She triumphantly exclaims...."Ibrox men take psychological boost into derby after sweeping aside dismal Hibs."

Th most important words in that sentence are 'dismal Hibs'

She might also have included the word 'managerless'

The time to start wetting yourself Moira, is IF Rangers are sitting at the top of the SPL at the end of the season, not when they are in the familiar position of second in the middle of it.


54

Rabbie Burns,

Xmas is over 30/12/2007 09:03:33
All the hype from Celtic fans about Gers' tough fixture list and we've beaten Motherwell & beaten Hibs away and drawn away to Aberdeen with 10 men. Win on 2nd Jan and we'll be 1 point clear with 2 games in hand. The class of the likes of Hutton, Ferguson, Naismith and Darcheville will tell.
55

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 10:25:03
"She might also have included the word 'managerless'" (100)

The managerless Hibs who gave Celtic rather a tough time?

Rangers played very well. It happens, though you may not want to believe it. It's not some evil media conspiracy.
56

idee fixe,

R.U.I.N.S.RefsUndueInfluenceNeedsStopped !! 30/12/2007 10:31:14
There are no self respecting Ragz fanz who attended the match or watched on LIVE(cameras coming out of every orifice and then some ) telly who can say Ragz deserved their win.
BBC Radio Scotland,this SOS report or the live Setanta commentators,who ALL witnessed what we witnessed refused to mention the words.

Let me explain.....

12 minutes in and Ragz "score" what turned out to be their winner.
However, the bald headed linesman on the nearside was in direct line with play and therefore in a position that you would expect,in fact the perfect position to see that Naismith was clearly offside.
Yet his flag never flickered,his arm stayed straight as a poker at his side,there was just no way was he going to acknowledge what he and everyone else watching on LIVE telly witnessed...Naismith IS offside.

That corrupt decision allowed Ragz to take a soother of a 1 goal advantage going in at half time.......but R.U.I.N.S. was not finished with this game....not by a looooooonnnnnng chalk !!
57

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 10:33:27
#101..not hype rangers fixtures did look difficult and they have did well only losing 2 points.rangers did play well yesterday..although im sure you would admit hibs were grim in the second half..
58

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 10:40:27
"12 minutes in and Ragz "score" what turned out to be their winner." (103)

You missed the penalty Rangers should have had before that (with a red card for the Hibs player).

Do you really believe the nonsense you post on here? Or is it supposed to be some sort of wind-up?
59

idee fixe,

TweenFrenchVinyards`nGovanScrapyardAkaTheScrapyard 30/12/2007 10:42:57
I`d just like to mention ,that by way of being seen to have a balanced approach,I do admit that Jim Duffy and Mark Hately in the Setanta studios when discussing the game both agreed and admitted that the near side bald headed linesman did get it wrong.

A wrong decision that just happened to allow Ragz to falsely claim the lead.
60

kenny mcg,

30/12/2007 10:43:33
Idee my old pal. If you watch the awsome Gers again, you will see that they scored perferctly legitimate goals and GREAT ones at that. You will need to try harder than that to stir some argument.
On a serious note i would like to offer my sympathy to
Phil O'Donnells wife and wains........Tragic.

Follow Follow
61

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 10:46:31
#105..burke gave the most consistent display of cheating ive ever seen during the first half when he must have dived 5-6 times..quite dreadful his swallowdive to try and win a penalty being one example...by the same token i thought naismiths goal was onside....although i loved rob mcleans comment on setanta at half time when the pundits thought it was offside..."oh well if that goal hadnt been given rangers would have scored at some point " ???
62

idee fixe,

R.U.I.N.S.RefsUndueInfluenceNeedsStopped !! 30/12/2007 10:50:41
28 minutes in and Charlie Richmond overrules the same bald headed linesman who had flagged for a by kick to Hibs.
Richmond awards Ragz the free kick,right on the edge of the penalty box, thus creating a goal scoring chance for Ragz that should simply not have been there.
63

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 10:51:18
"his swallowdive to try and win a penalty being one example" (#108)

One example of you having your green specs on. There was a lot more of a foul to it than when Scott Macdonald got Proctor of Inverness sent off a couple of weeks ago.
64

kenny mcg,

30/12/2007 10:53:08
Yeah theres no question about where mr McLeans loyalties lie!!!! ;-)
And all these people who are banging on about wee Burky. Did these same people bang on about Messrs Petrov Sutton Moravcik ? ?
65

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 30/12/2007 10:59:22
#110 - Proctor came out and ADMITTED he deserved to get sent off against Celtic.

Yesterday, Burke must have been playing in high heels given how easily he went to ground. Even Hutton would have been embarrassed by Burke's diving.
66

idee fixe,

R.U.I.N.S.RefsUndueInfluenceNeedsStopping !! 30/12/2007 11:00:38
ONLY 1 minute later...29 minutes in and Koooh-Saaaahhn,with no intention of going for the ball(as shown on LIVE telly)barges straight into the Hibs player.Richmond does see this and gives the freekick to Hibs,however,in an off the ball incident with the same player and before the free kick is taken,Kooooh-Saaahhn raises hboth hands and shoves and barges the Hibs player yet again.Charlie Richmond,like you and I,witnesses this but fails to even book Kooooh-Saaahhn.
Admittedly,the incident was not on a par with the previous weeks when Ragz captain Bazzaned throttled the Aberdeen player right in front of Kenny Clarks eyes,but it should have merited a booking for Koooh-Saaahhn.
67

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 11:01:17
#110 #111 ..so burke didnt dive during the game...?? and i can assure you ive never seen a player from anyteam..rangers included..cheat as much in one half as burke did yesterday...
68

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 11:03:12
"Proctor came out and ADMITTED he deserved to get sent off against Celtic" (113)

I'd like to see a quote on that. But whether it's true or not, the incident was still less of a foul than there was on Burke yesterday.

Anyway, if the referees are all pro-Rangers Masons as some suggest, why don't they give these things? It's 0-0 and Rangers claim a penalty - what's the point of a big evil conspiracy if it doesn't kick in at times like that?
69

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 11:04:52
"Ragz captain Bazzaned throttled the Aberdeen player" (114)

How about when Boruc did the same to Davie Weir and nothing was done? Just what's wrong with Masons these days?
70

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 11:06:32
#116...this question has been asked a few times recently and rangers fans have struggled to answer...
celtic have lost 2 soft penalties recently..the one at hearts costing them 2 points and the one at ict along with the disallowed goal had a direct baring on the outcome...it was asked when was the last time a soft penalty against rangers or a disallowed goal cost rangers points....??
71

idee fixe,

R.U.I.N.S.RefsUndueInfluenceNeedsStopped !! 30/12/2007 11:09:54
7 minutes later 36 minutes in and wee get a wee insiders look at the cozy kabal that goes to help make R.U.I.N.S. so profitable for The Scrapyard mob.

Wee JesterCoist is unknowingly caught on LIVE telly having a chat with Charlie Richmond from the touch line.If I was a lip reader I could report exactly what was said,no doubt someone could re-run it and find that out.
Anyway their too cozy looking chat ended with a big thankful smile from The Jester followed by a nod and a wink.
72

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 11:11:56
#118,

Dunno off-hand but why would it have to have cost Rangers points? Are referees clairvoyant about the outcomes of games when they make their decisions?

And why haven't you responded to my questions in #116? Not comfortable about facing up to the truth?
73

idee fixe,

TweenFrenchVinyards`nGovanScrapyardAkaTheThuggery! 30/12/2007 11:15:09
44 minutes on the clock and even Charlie Richmond has to cry enough IZ enough.

Burke is finally booked having dived for the ninth time...thats an average of 1 dive every 5 minutes.

Little wonder that Walter "The Traitor" Smith does not want to play him.
Wally realises that this is a mans game and Burke is excruciatingly embarrassing to Ragz F.C.
74

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 11:16:47
"Burke is finally booked" (121)

Having been blatantly pushed by Jones - probably in the penalty area.
75

sonofcosmos,

30/12/2007 11:16:51
#120..what question did you ask ? remind me and ill try to answer it...love the "not comfortable about facing up to the truth.." line..are you a regular on follow follow ??
76

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 11:20:22
"love the "not comfortable about facing up to the truth.." line..are you a regular on follow follow ?" (123)

Ah, the reference to Follow Follow. A sure sign that a Celtic fan's in trouble and clutching at straws. My questions are in #116 (as I already said). Any more dodging tactics or are you going to respond to them?
77

G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 11:27:10
I thought burke went down too easily yesterday...although not at the penalty claim..or when jones pushed him over to get him booked.

waiting for sonofcosmos to include shiels and zemmama in his condemnation of "worst cheating ever"..just in the interests of fairness ;-)

78

idee fixe,

30/12/2007 11:36:11
48 minutes in and Hibs are denied a penalty.

For once in the game Hibs can string two passes together and Ragz` defence goes into panic mode.
"Jaws Cuellar in that panic deliberately uses his hand to help clear the ball from Ragz` penalty area.

Does Charlie Richmond see what we have all just seen?
What do you think !!

Then maybe the linesman seen it......

BAWhaha..the wee bald heeded wan?...HAWhahaha..KAK.

Play on,that was the only decision that was ever going to be given yesterday.
79

Tellitasitis,

30/12/2007 11:36:19
#99
- and beer!
Happy New Year!
80

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 11:43:42
#124 im really not sure what question im avoiding so please help me out and i can answer it and we can move on...if your question ids why did the referee not give a penalty at 0-0 its because it wasnt a penalty..and as you admit yourself you cant remember a soft decision costing rangers points...d'oh
#125 my point about burke was the quantity of his diving..ive seen better but never the same player dive 5 or 6 times in the one half..
81

idee fixe,

R.U.I.N.S.RefsUndueInfluncesNeedsStopping !! 30/12/2007 11:50:17
62 minutes on the clock and,apart from Richmond allowing Ragz offside goal to stand,the worst incident of the match is allowed to go unpunished.

Whittaker scythes down the Hibs player with a knee high two footed tackle in which he makes NO attempt to win the ball.
It is a straight red card tackle,there is no doubt about that.

Charlie Richmond does give the foul to Hibs but shamelessly takes NO further action against the Ragz player,who has taken his tackling techniques straight out of Huttonthugs manual.

R.U.I.N.S.,in that instant, was alive and well and safely under lock and key by Charlie Richmond and hiz chumz.
Hibs would not be permitted to leave their home turf yesterday,with the hope of even a share of the points.
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Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 11:55:57
"if your question ids why did the referee not give a penalty at 0-0 its because it wasnt a penalty" (#128)

No, the questions I asked were different from that. Go back to #116 and try again. Be brave and face up to what's really being said.
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Celtic Bhoy,

Carlisle 30/12/2007 11:56:27
It has to be said Hibs were abysmal and this game is no barometer for the Celtic Rangers game.

Celtic are coming on like the Champs again and a win on Wed looks assured.
84

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 11:58:17
God man do you never sleep!Been in my scratcher so can now apologise for hogging the thread a few hours ago..!!
In my defence,there was only the usual non story to debate but,like any normal human being,my thoughts were of a more sombre tone,given the circumstances.Tried to cheer myself up by recalling happier times.Again my apologies for diverting the thread away from the REALLY weighty matters of the day.
85

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 12:00:32
Though the referee was poor yesterday at the Hibs/RFC game, I have no real complaints as the best team won the match. Hibs were very poor and I fear they are going into freefall.

The referee made several terrible decisions for both teams. I don't think he was favouring RFC I just think he was a poor ref.

I have never rated Charlie Richmond even when he was refereeing non Celtic and Rangers games, he always seems to make very odd decisions.

Yesterday he could have easily sent off 4 players and awarded 3 penalties, he also made the game very stop start.

That said Hibs deserved nothing.

It will be a different away day for Rangers on Wednesday at Paradise. Let's hope for a good game, a fair ref and no moronic fans ruining the occasion.

86

idee fixe,

R.U.I.N.S.RefsUndueInfluencesNeedsStopping !! 30/12/2007 12:01:44
Talking of Huttonthug he`s been having a quiet day has he not?
Nope!

Spoke too soon.

85 minutes in and Huttonthug crashes an elbow into the jaw of the attacking Hibs player.
Charie Richmond acknowledges that he seen it by gesticulating and pointing to his own elbow.

So whats the outcome then Charlie, a red for Huttonthug?for deliberate use of hiz elbow.
It MUST be at least a yellow then?

Naw...nuthin,no red ,not even a yellow for Huttonthug.

R.U.I.N.S.is alive and well and Hibs will not be allowed to forget that yesterday !!
87

Football Superiority,

30/12/2007 12:04:40
128 You answered your own question there.

As you say the decision not to award Rangers a penalty yesterday is because it wasn't deemed to have been a foul.

Likewise the reason Rangers haven't had any penalties awarded against them recently is that they have done nothing deemed to be a foul in the box. Simple really.

Can you tell me when was the last time Celtc were beaten fairly and squarely by better Scottish opposition?
88

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 12:05:57
"85 minutes in and Hutton crashes an elbow into the jaw of the attacking Hibs player" (135)

Actually, a Hutton run is blatantly blocked off and Richmond bizarrely gives a foul to Hibs because Hutton got his arm tangled up with the Hibs player in the process.

Next! :0)
89

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 12:07:29
Hi Pat..When was the last game between the Old Firm that had any REAL significance?Yup I'm up for it too!Can't wait,in fact.Add to the mix the old adage that whoever wins the Ne'erday fixture generally wins the title,adds no little spice!
90

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 12:09:07
For pat reas Tim...Urgh! just out of bed with a Halloween Head!!!!!!!!!
91

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 12:11:47
140

Reminds me of the old comedians....

"Pat, Mick and an Irishman...."
92

idee fixe,

R.U.I.N.S.RefsUndueInfluencesNeedsStopped !!! 30/12/2007 12:13:15
87 minutes in and Zemmama slams the ball past McGregorlout as though he is not in goal.

That fine goal slammed past a shaky-wonky Ragz defense should have earned Hibs the right to claim a share of the points.

The difference between the two teams yesterday was R.U.I.N.S.

Hibs stood no chance yesterday of playing their game on a level playing field,Aberdeen suffered the same biasedness last week.

At the end of the day Ragz were handed all 3 points by virtue of their offside goal.


Kenny Clark was forced to come out and apologise to Neil "Lenny"Lennon last season for hiz corrupt decision,the wee bald headed near side linesman should be made do the same.
93

glasvegas hibs,

30/12/2007 12:15:23
Cant wait for the OF game on wednesday, hopefully they batter lumps out of each other which is more than they deserve.

A poor display by Hibs yesterday, so I suppose rangers can enjoy the moment of glory while it lasts, not like they have won anything of great note recently.
94

glasvegas hibs,

30/12/2007 12:17:32
p.s. what is TC playing at, his team selection is worse than Elton Johns wardrobe.
95

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 12:18:23
#141 Nice one...As I sup with an English fella,a Welsh bloke in an Irish pub there is ALWAYS someone who says "Did you here about the Scotsman,the Irishman and the Welshman" and we all turn in unison to say "Shut the @@@@ up!"
96

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 12:19:55
An english, irish and scotsman walk into a pub, the barman says "is this some kind of joke?"
97

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 12:22:24
A man walks into a bar..Ouch! it was an iron bar.Is that a post modern Glaswegian joke??
98

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 12:25:36
147

Swordsman...dunno about post modernism...but that one its a very very old joke. I remember hearing it by Bobby Davro back in the eighties.
99

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 12:28:04
What's the difference between a vitamin and a hormone?

You can make a vitamin.
100

Timothy Malloy Esq,

paradiso 30/12/2007 12:28:58
148

No another squeal piggy banjo playing RFC fan???

101

idee fixe,

30/12/2007 12:30:34
Big lumberjack walks into a bar and demands"give us a whisky OR ELSE!!!"


The barman says,"or else what!!!"

"Or else a wee sherry," says the lumberjack.
102

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 12:30:57
I first heard it at a gig in the Amphora on Sauchiehall st in the 70s...Must have liked it cos it stuck lol
103

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 12:32:16
Perfect pitch for a banjo? Into the lavvy pan without touching the sides BOOM BOOM
104

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 12:35:54
Talking of jokes, anyone ever watch Rangers TV? Some crackers on there!
105

Backofthenet,

30/12/2007 12:42:50
#152

Reminds me of:

'Is it a doughnut or a meringue?'

'Naw you're right, it's a doughnut.'
106

costablancabear,

THE CHOSEN FEW CBLSC 30/12/2007 12:55:21
What would you prefer when you get older Parkinsons or amnesia???????????(this is for Timothy)

Well......would ye rather spill yer pint?
or forget where ye put it?

sorry if that offends anyone,apart from MY PAL TIM ha ha (joke Timothy - before you go all fiesty on me)
107

Richardinho,

30/12/2007 12:57:52
#12

no, you buns used to dismiss McGeady as 'over-rated', now all we hear is about how much we're going to miss him for the old firm game.
108

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 13:07:37
Costa I thought you would have better ones than that.

Here's one....

A tramp lies drunk and sleeping on a park bench - out of the game.

A sexmaniac creeps on him pulls the tramps trousers down and gives him one. The tramp is still asleep and as the sexmaniac leaves he puts a tenner in the tramps pocket as a thank you.

The tramp wakes up the next morning and finds the tenner in his pocket and says "ya beauty" He rushes off to the Off Licence and buys two bottles of wine.

The tramp goes back to his bench, hammers the wine down him and falls asleep in a drunken stupour. Along comes the sexmaniac and repeats the performance from the previous day and again leaves a tenner in the tramps pocket.

The tramp wakes up "Ya Beauty" and off to buy a couple of bottles of wine.

This goes on for a few days and then one day the tramp goes into the Off Licence and orders "12 Bottles of Beer" The guy in the Off Licence asks "Why have you changed to beer?" The tramp replies "That wine's burning my @rse"
109

costablancabear,

THE CHOSEN FEW CBLSC 30/12/2007 13:20:22
ha ha nice one Tim, see I knew that we could all get along with each other,
what about
Scotsman,Englishman and Irishman go for dinner we there wives..........scotsman drops his fork and looks under the table at his wife,jumps up and says taeher"F*** sake woman ye havnae any knickers on" she says " I've no money" he says " theres £20 awa and get some lacy number"............englishman does the same -drops his fork,gets up and says"you have no knickers on,what are you playing at" she replies "well I have no money" he thens says "thers £10 away and get some silky ones".....the IRISHMAN(Celtic fan Tim)drops his fork and looks at his misses and says"for f*** sake women ye've no pants on" she says " we'll I've no euros paddy" so he says " well heres 50 cence away and buy a comb and tidy yerself up a bit" boom ,boom - ma mate says to me the punchline should have been well use the fork and tidy yerself up a bit- but he's thick as well ,he supports you lot............Nice one TIM
110

Media 1,

cape town 30/12/2007 13:20:46
The 2nd of January game should be good..Celtic need to win it, they havent beaten Rangers since Walter Smith arrived at Ibrox, so its a must win game for them.
I guess Rangers must be considered favourites, they are stronger in almost every area of the park, have 2 games in hand, as well as a 3-0 hammering to look back upon this season. When you combine all that with the Smith vs Strachan contest, which Smith is 3 for 3, you begin to realise that Rangers could humiliate Celtic even further. However, Celtic are still Celtic no matter how bad they are at the moment, and that in itself will be good reason for Rangers to be wide awake and completely concentrated for 90 minutes.
111

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 13:24:53
161

Media One have you started following Scottish football?

Tell me Media 1, how much influence do you think Jimmy McGrory will have on Wednesday?

Also Media 1 do you think Celtic's European Cup win in 1967 will have nay bearing on the result?

Or do you think, all those saves Andy Goram made against Celtic will win the game on Wednesday?




112

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 13:26:22
Media 1...tell me which team is top of the SPL at the moment?

113

costablancabear,

THE CHOSEN FEW CBLSC 30/12/2007 13:29:24
Well, Nice to see we are now buddies Timothy but I am afraid we shall have to talk later as I am aff to HQ to watch the English games, but I will return to either dissagree , argue or agree wit ya later ,heres one for ya(I am slaggin ma self here) What's the difference between an apple and an orange...?ye cannae call an orange a bast***.............

Have you ever wondered why the Pope always stands on his balcony waving his hand up,down and tae both sides.? It's his mobile innit-he trying to get a signal-he's with ORANGE ha ha ................now I really have to go befor thay get worse or more insulting Timothy - see ye Fitba Finatics later
114

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 13:29:31
#160 Boom! and indeed Boom! Will bore the chaps with that one in the afternoon.
#161 as I have already posted..think the game on Wed will mark the emergence of the real Celtic team.While you rightly take comfort from the last couple of meetings,we ARE in our own backyard and that is no place to be if you arent up for it.I expect a torrid game and the Hoops to win 2-1.Let battle commence!
115

costablancabear,

THE CHOSEN FEW CBLSC 30/12/2007 13:32:27
#165 No offence mate, it w3as aimed towards someone on this site as a light hearted joke- I though you Irish could take the crack...I'm aff
116

Richardinho,

30/12/2007 13:32:46
If the real Celtic turn up they should be too strong for Rangers. Problem is, since we qualified for the last 16 in the CL, the team seems to have lost interest. The last two games have seen a return of motivation and hopefully the team will be able to carry this through to Wednesday.
117

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 13:35:53
Just heard the Motherwell Cletic game next sunday is postponed as a tribute to Phil O'Donnell.

For the best I think.

RIP Phil.
118

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 13:36:22
Cletic? Celtic of course....
119

Media 1,

cape town 30/12/2007 13:38:39
Timothy Malloy

It is the mighty and glorious Celtic who sit ontop the league at the moment. But that alone is no comfort when one considers the situation as it stands. Rangers have 2 games in hand and are only 2 points behind Celtic, which is NOT where Strachan or the board wanted to be at the start of the season.
Either Celtic are getting weaker, or they are getting stronger, its one or the other!
I just think that Rangers are more prepared, more hungry and more intent on winning the league than Celtic appear to be.
Rangers should not be in a position where they are only 2behind with 2 games in hand. And if they beat Celtic and go one ahead with two games in hand, its goodnight...
120

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 13:40:46
Costa bear..got the wrong end of the stick there ...laughed like a drain...but I WILL end up boring the troops later with that joke :@/
121

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 13:41:36
Media One - do you follow scottish football?

I mean do you actually watch the games?

Do you know hwich team is which?

Do you know the shape of a football?

122

costablancabear,

THE CHOSEN CBLSC 30/12/2007 13:41:55
Timothy I am sure you worked it ou - you cannae call an apple a bas can ye? def away now, enjoy you debates............Celtic 2 Rangers 2
123

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 13:43:53
Media 1...given the recent joke by Costa bear...It is perhaps fitting to raise the old saying "A bird in the hand is better than two in the,ahem!,bush"
124

costablancabear,

THE CHOSEN FEW CBLSC 30/12/2007 13:47:00
#171 the swordsman, sorry bud-like I have said on here before I have no sectarian or bitterness in me,I am too young-half ma pals are Tims and the other huns -even Proddie Tic and Catholic Gers - so please forgive me , we can chat fitba another time as I do have to go ............. Cannae wait till the 2nd,Roll on
125

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 13:48:45
get moving man..mair come backs than Frank Sinatra at this rate..Enjoy the fitba!
126

costablancabear,

THE CHOSEN FEW CBLSC 30/12/2007 13:50:11
Yes - You may have the Title swordsman but ahem! Looking at the way it's going the birdie will be coming home .tae IBROX ...........Goodbye - argue wit ye later if ye want?
127

Arthur Teak ,

Edinburgh 30/12/2007 13:51:50
idee fixe: you really are an obseesive aren't you? Except when it comes to truth, accuracy, facts; you know the little things?

One could almost be amused with your delusional ramblings until one realises the you are implying that Charlir Richmond, another of the the ever growing and disproportionate amount of 'Celtic-minded' referees somehow favours Tghe Rangers in his job.

No doubt you would include Referee at the Aberdeen v The Rangers game,Kenny Clarke - Celtic supporter member of a Celtic Supporters club, with a wife who has a season ticket for Celtic Park and a spare for Kenny when he gives up refereeing at the end of the season oh and another close relative who runs a CSC bus - as another member of the pro- Rangers referee cabal? Then there is his linesman that day who ran 65 yards to get McCulloch sent off but couldn't see Gregory Vignal halfed in two by a Sellick full back from the distance of one yard atIbrox two seasons ago. Maybe he missed it because he was dreaming of sitting in the stand at the Kilmarnock v Celtic match (that decided the league in Celtic's favour) and hsaving to dash 65 yards down to take over from another assistant referee who took ill: "Ah came to see ma beloved hoops win ra league an now I'm running the line - magic!"

We can all create conspirict theories, idee fixe, it's just that some of us are better than others at recognising them as such.
128

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 13:52:34
lets not talk of anything that flies....ESPECIALLY Helicopters lol
129

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 13:59:30
Darren O'Dea was househunting and his estate agent said...."Have you thought about moving to Larkhall?"

"Larkhall" Darren replied in shock. "Isn't that a Rangers town."

"Naw thats a myth" Says the estate agent. "L have lived in larkhall for years and its a lovely place and there's this fabulous bungalow there with everything in it including a jaccuzzi, indoor swimming pool and..."

"Ok, ok" says Darren "Let's have a look at it"

So the estate agent shows Darren the property and it is truly magnificent. As he is being shown around he hears the sound of the orange band going by outside.

"What's that?" Darren asks.

"Oh that's just a traditional orange walk. They only go past once a year on the 12th of July. They'll not cause you any harm if you don't go to the window or make any protest, just allow them their two minutes of noise per year and they're happy."

"Oh ok" says Darren.

A few weeks later Darren buys the house and for the first few hours he's loving it. Then he hears the sound of the sash playing outside. He let's it go by and then the next night the orange music plays again.

After three nights on the trot, Darren calls the estate agent. "Look mate, I want my money back, I thought you said this orange walk was once a year."

The estate agent replies "Orange walk? That's no the walk,that's the Ice cream van."

130

Richardinho,

30/12/2007 14:00:29
From all the talk amongst the Rangers supporters it seems likely that they are going to be playing for a draw.
131

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 14:04:30
As a proud Tim and a member of the Noise Abatement Society (in June,July and August admittedly!) I loved that joke...Is it true that Munros' chemist and Subway have shelved plans to open stores in the banjo picking heartland because they have logos that are predominantly green?
132

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 14:09:24
Richardihno

A draw is a good result for Rangers. They will play for that as I don't see them getting much joy attacking a Bobo and Boruc reinforced Celtic.

It will be the old Watty 541. Anti football Rangers.

Roll on Jan 2
133

jerrymanders,

On the sunny side of the divide. 30/12/2007 14:13:23
180

.....so Darren went out to the ice cream van and ordered cones for his family who were visiting. "How much is that lot then" he asked the vendor. "£16.90 to you" was the reply.
134

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 14:18:32
Jerry

Did the vendor throw a flakey at serving a kafflick?

I used to work with some guys from Larkhall and got on well with them until one day I revealed I was a Catholic. The shock and horror in their bitter tisted faces had to be seen to be believed. Things were never quite the same after that.



135

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 14:20:27
Throw a flakey...Doesnt that make it a 99?
136

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 14:26:49
186

That was the idea, Swordsman...was a joke.
137

glasvegas hibs,

30/12/2007 14:29:46
no 185. do you not bore yourself banging the same drum. poor poor wee catholic that nobody likes. Is beyond a joke the amount o sh1t you talk.
138

Swordsman,

Dublin 30/12/2007 14:30:05
ah,now I see.Sorry Tim,was trying to grasp the concept of the Larkhall guys not knowing you were a tim with a moniker like that...took my eye off the ball ala McGregor on Wed please god! LOL
139

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 14:40:27
And a happy new year to you too Glasvegas.

God Bless you.
140

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 14:41:48
189

Swordsman, like your own moniker, mine is not my real name. If I used my real name no one would believe it either.

141

glasvegas hibs,

30/12/2007 14:48:40
no 190 thank you timmy, see not too hard to drop the poor done by act. Thought maybe with all your jokes earlier you had forgotten all your troubles for a day.

happy new year to you 2, may you live long and prosper.
142

jerrymanders,

On the sunny side of the divide. 30/12/2007 14:54:15
#185

....he asked Darren if he wanted crushed nuts?...
143

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 14:56:02
193

Why did Darren ask for a holy wafer?

144

Richardinho,

30/12/2007 14:56:17
rangers will play for the draw and Celtic will find it hard to break them down. But Celtic have shown this season in the Cl that they are the best team in Scotland and can score against anyone. We should have what is required to defeat rangers, but only providing we want it enough.
I think we do.
145

jerrymanders,

On the sunny side of the divide. 30/12/2007 15:11:18
#193

....because they wouldn't sell mint ice cream....?
146

Tellitasitis,

Making the dinner 30/12/2007 15:25:30
What's the differencd between the Belgian Army and toast?
147

mstnuk,

Newcastle upon Tyne 30/12/2007 15:32:53
The difference between both sides of the OF with regards to recent games agains Hibs is plain for all to see. Strachan's side found it impossible to collect three points at home against this lot, meanwhile Rangers manage it away from home in a rather straightforward fashion. If these games are anything to go by, Mr Smith and McCoist have nothing to fear at Parkhead. The fact is that this is not a particularly good Celtic team and three points to Rangers on the 2nd will without doubt seal Celtic's fate. And so it should!!!
148

mstnuk,

Newcastle upon Tyne 30/12/2007 15:35:11
Just to say all the very best to all Capital Football Fans for 2008. Let's hope it's a good one. Best wishes to you all.
149

Richardinho,

30/12/2007 16:03:27
Well why not compare Celtic and Rangers last games against Aberdeen? Celtic comprehensive winners, Rangers struggling to a draw and losing the plot.
150

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 16:12:52
#131...would it not be more mature to say my question is...rather than leave some divinci code quiz...oh well...x
151

G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 16:29:41
celtic will be always be favourites at parkhead....and the further positive for the tic is that these games rarely go with current form.

both teams would settle for a draw i think..the most interesting thing for me will be if WGS changes celtics formation to try to win the midfield battle.. he will have to drop JVOH or Scott Macdonald

Hemdani and thomson were very impressive breaking the play up yesterday...and ferguson normally will raise his game.. will broonie/hartley have enough to win the battle in the centre ?
152

jerrymanders,

On the sunny side of the divide. 30/12/2007 17:59:55
#203

Hibs were a pub team yesterday. A total embarrassment to football. Tommy Craig got his selection wrong by a long way and Rfc benefitted. KT and Hemdani did indeed enjoy a good afternoon, until Beuzy came on, but did you notice how poor Captain Marvel was? Slow? Has he lost a yard or two? Five minutes of injury time would have been interesting.

153

jerrymanders,

On the sunny side of the street 30/12/2007 18:00:53
#204

That is with an open mind.
154

canuk,

caledon east 30/12/2007 19:11:05
It couldn' t last for long we were having a good conversation and then all the tims got out of bed and started there usual lies and there hatred for anything Rangers or any faith other than catholic , grow up act like adults unless that is to difficult for you to do
155

jerrymanders,

On the sunny side of the divide. 30/12/2007 19:18:27
#207

Who metioned religion? Lies? Any faith other than catholic?

Have you even posted? Bed time for you and no cocoa either.
156

Silence of the Yams,

30/12/2007 20:10:46
After watching Whittaker's two footed 'challenge' on Kerr go unpunished I think I know Richmond is 100% prod.
157

jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 20:26:49
Davie Weirs push on Chisholm on the edge of the box after he had nutmegged him? Defo Yellow.
158

Richardinho,

30/12/2007 20:39:45
#204 Ok let's look at it another way; Celtic get 9 points in the Cl and qualify for the next round. Rangers get 7 points and get dumped on their erses out.


Celtic may be lacking in motivation for the Spl in recent weeks, but there's no doubt that they are by far the better footballing side. All Wattie's 'good results' so far have been nothing more than 11 behind the ball and ambushing teams on the break. Nice technique until clubs get wise to it as they did in the CL.
159

jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 20:44:12
#211

Speaking of offside, why was Naysmith's "goal" not mentioned. Defo offside when analysed on Setanta. Should not have stood. If RFC had any dignity they would ask for their points to be deducted appropriately.
160

Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 30/12/2007 20:45:58
212

The bottom line is Celtic are a better team than Rangers. Rangers have made progress in the last 12 months but are still a fair bit short. They could win the title this season but only if Celtic go through another blip. This last few weeks has been a blip thats all and Rangers fans have got a little excited as they feel they can sniff a title steal just like they did in 03 and 05. Well 05, wasn't really a steal -we handed it to them.

If all things are equal and the best team wins the title then it will be three in a row for Celtic. But we do need to strengthen even though we have a fairly young team.

I reckon it's Celtic with a comfortable 2-0 win on Jan 2nd.

Also we have had our blip, Rangers blip is just around the corner and watch them flag as it starts to slip away from them.


161

JAL to Easter Road,

30/12/2007 20:46:15
Good God this thread is like a pub of old men.
Are you all old men? Without the pints here of course. It is the digital age after all.
162

BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 20:48:09
A few weeks ago, when Rangers cancelled their SPL fixture with Gretna (mistakenly in my opinion), they presented Celtic with a real opportunity to put some daylight between the big two at the top of the SPL.

It was a chance that Celtic proved unable to take.

Now, with the news that Celtic's SPL match against Motherwell has, correctly, been postponed this weekend, the boot is very firmly on the other foot, and Celtic find themselves under immense pressure to prevail in this week's Old Firm clash.

If Walter Smith, as many expect, once again demonstrates his ability to lead Rangers to victory against their greatest rivals, it will see the leadership of the SPL change hands. Given that Rangers then have three very winnable SPL fixtures over the next two weeks while Celtic sit idle, then, by the late evening of January 16th, Rangers could very well have a mammoth 10-point lead, with Celtic's only game in hand being an away match against Motherwell where their chances would be no better than 50/50.

If this situation arises, then I see no way back for Celtic. The bookmakers, who are not in the habit of calling 2-horse races wrongly, have already installed Rangers as favourites as a result of their recent winning run. If the 10-point gap comes to pass, don't be surprised if Paddy Power and his rivals bow to the inevitable, and pay out very early on the SPL title race.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 21:03:36
Rangers have dropped points at -

Tynecastle
Tannandice
Fir Park
Pittodrie

They have also lost at home (something Celtic haven't done for 39 matches)

To talk of titles being won in Jan by the team in second spot is farcical when one considers the amount of points they have dropped all over the gaff all season.

Meanwhile, Celtic who currently sit top of the table. Are on top despite,

1. Having played most of the season without their full backs

2. Having played without their first choice recognised centre half for seven games.

3. Having a sticky patch when their world class keeper has been out for three weeks and four games.

4. Having their best player and player of the year Nakamura missing for over two months.

5. Having their first choice striker VofH missing for most of the season.

Add to this a taxing and successful European CL campaign.

I think under these circumstances have done remarkably well. The bad news for Rangers fans is all our best players are coming back, plus we are going to sign a few in Jan, plus we have come out of our blip and going on a roll that will continue on Jan 2 and through to the lifting of the title flag in May.

It's not been as easy this season but if all our players had been fit then we'd be coasting it again as we have the best team and best players.

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jerrymanders,

East Linton 30/12/2007 21:05:13
#217

BE

Oh deary me. At the start of last season with the soon to be glorious PLG era on its way why did the bookies, "who are not in the habit of calling 2-horse races wrongly" get it wrong? And by a long way too! As did, just about, all the journo's in Scotland.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 21:06:02
Bring them on

When was the last big OF New Year win by either half of the old firm? When did say a 3-0 last happen?

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G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 21:07:21
No excuses eh!
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Media 1,

cape town 30/12/2007 21:09:55
Swordsman
You said that a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. I suppose 52 titles is better than 41 titles..
I guess you mean points in the bag are better than games in hand! And I would agree, unless the other team wins the games in hand that is!
Nobody on here knows who will win the game, you can only go on recent performances and recent head to heads! And then come match day, watch and see what happens
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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 21:13:39
Almost too much to pick up on there, Tim, but I'll have a bash anyway.

"Rangers have lost at home"

Yes, they've dropped a total of 3 points at home. Celtic have dropped 6.

"Celtic currently sit top of the table".

Yes. By two points because they've played an extra 2 games.

"Celtic have played most of the season without full backs"

There's an answer to that. It's called squad strength. WS made sure that Rangers have it. WGS was negligent, and now needs to spend money to rectify it.

"Having a sticky patch"

Rangers went through theirs already when they lost against Hearts, Hibs and Dundee Utd in quick succession. They've now beaten the first 2 and will probably beat the third this weekend.

"A taxing CL campaign"

Yep. Both teams had that.

So you have players coming back, and more to sign? Congratulations. Rangers are just seeing Burke, Buffel, Webster and Smith return to full fitness. Darchville has been dogged by injury all season also. And I expect Walter may have a signing or even 2 up his sleeve for January too.

If Celtic win on Wednesday, it's game on.

If Rangers win, it's over.
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G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 21:14:35
the truth is that there is not too much between the two current teams..

rangers have improved this year... celtic are not as good as last year... its all speculation apart from that.. the league table doesn't really lie

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jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 21:14:48
Titles, titles, titles, you always mention that, and yet claim you are a Jambo. How ironic?
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Media 1,

cape town 30/12/2007 21:16:58
I think Bemused hit the nail on the head.
Celtic absolutely need to win, then its game on! If they lose, its over....
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Media 1,

cape town 30/12/2007 21:22:18
It doesnt matter who a person supports, the bottom line is that titles count! Unless off-course you are suggesting they dont?
If one team has won 52 and the other 41, then over the years one team has been doing the business more often than the other! You need to look at head to head encounters, who has won the most? Those stats tell you, which of the two (still competetive) sides have done the business over the other over the years.
Only then can you crown the (up to date and overall) domestic giants of Scotland....
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

paradiso 30/12/2007 21:30:04
We are still top and have better players that's why we'll be champions again even if we fail to win on wednesday.

We are capable of going on a title winning run, I don't believe rangers are.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 21:32:03
On a slightly different subject, although it's one that doesn't get a lot of publicity, it's also very pleasing that Rangers Under-19's League and Cup double triumph last season has not been shown to be a fluke.

The young Gers once again lead the way this season, with a 4-point lead over Celtic despite playing a game less. They have also scored more goals and conceded fewer than their main rivals.

Murray Park is now churning out talented young players, with John Fleck in particular, still only 16, tipped to be a huge star of the not-too-distant future.

The future is bright.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 21:32:32
media 1

Do you follow scottish football?

Have you ever seen a scottish football match?

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Stevie1888,

30/12/2007 21:36:01
#217 Keep on dreaming !

Five minutes of injury time would have been interesting.

# 205,they played exactly 1 & a half minutes - fact, didn't see the board go up & didn't hear anyone comment on the time added on but not many matches are concluded with 1 or 2 minutes added on (unless the opposition v rangers are on an attack of course !). Fair to say hibs were completely outclassed but after scoring they did apply a good bit of pressure !

A dodgy offside goal & a shocking 2 footed challenge goes unpunished- only in Scotland !
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise 30/12/2007 21:39:39
So Media in the year 1910 Celtic were the Giants of Scottish Football. And since the war Celtic are Giants of scottish football? Nice of you to say so wee man.

By the way, being Giants in Scottish Football means diddly squat. It's a bit like being a 16 year old in a primary school and claiming to be the best fighter when all the other kids are at least 4 years younger.

Face facts mate, there are two big clubs in Scottish football the rest are minnows and are hardly worth comparing the big two to. It's not a level playing field.

Unfortunately Scottish football is a goldfish bowl and Celtic and Rangers are big fish swimming amongst tadpoles.

In one period Celtic had a team that was arguably the best team in the world, other than five or six years of glory when Celtic were a European giant, Scottish football is a dot on the world football map.




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G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 21:44:40
not that i'm saying your being a desperate paranoid but....for info

hibs made 2 subs at half time..and both teams made 1 sub each after that..directions to officials are to add 30 secs per sub, plus any stoppage time for trainers being on the park... can't recall any instance of the trainers being on the park in the second half...

ergo 1 minute was correct, for the two subs... but lets not get facts in the way eh..

hibs never had a shot at goal or indeed a cross into the box after scoring..so i take it "some pressure" was zemmama getting the ball taken off him 40 yards out.

By all means continue though...its funny ;-)
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jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 21:48:09
#227 M1

Now you usually post some reasonable arguments but this time takes the biscuit! If RFC win on the 2nd. the title is over?!!!! No chance. Half way through the season and the title is over? Only Celtic can do that.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 21:53:41
I've just watched the highlights of Hibs V Rangers in very close detail (freeze-frame etc)

Naismith clearly onside, bang in line with the Hibs defender at the moment of the pass.

The push on Burke a definite, if slightly soft penalty, and reminiscent of Elvis's last minute infringement in the recent Hearts-Celtic game.

Weir's tackle on Shiels also a clear penalty, a couple of inches inside the box.

Cuellar's hand ball. He would have to have possessed magical powers of anticipation to get his arm out of the way of that one. No infringement. As Hugh Dallas himself says in another publication today "It has to be a clear movement of hand or arm towards the ball"

All in all, I'd say it was fairly refereed. Loved Rangers 2nd goal by the way. At least 12 passes and a terrific finish. Excellent overall display.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 21:55:20
Earlier in the season before a ball was kicked at the first OF game, I stated Celtic would get beat, all the odds were against us and I was under confident.

This time, I can't see celtic losing, in fcat i think it will be a comfortable win by two goals. Home advantage is huge and at Home in front of 60,000 Celtic are a formidable force.

We will on Tuesday without...our right back..our centre half...and our two best players...who are also the two finest in Scotland.

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Stevie1888,

30/12/2007 21:56:26
#235 I stated that hibs where outclassed, I also didn't see how much time added on, but that its generally 3 mins. Fact- hibs did put the pressure on for well lets see errrmmm 1 & a half minutes, and were on an attack when the whistle went ! Fact Whittaker did put in a 2 footed challenge (IE 2 feet off the floor & that is a red card offence, the commentator described it a a leg breaker) & it went unpunished !
Altogether now "that's why wer'e paranoid".
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

30/12/2007 21:56:38
Elvis never gave away a pen v Hearts ya dolt!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 21:59:09
jerry.

If Celtic lose on Wednesday, and Rangers win their 3 SPL games over the following 14 days (Dundee Utd at Ibrox, St Mirren and Gretna away) while Celtic sit twiddling their thumbs, then it IS over.

Celtic will not come back from a 10-point deficit and their 4th OF defeat in a row.
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Stevie1888,

30/12/2007 22:02:09
#241 if my aunty had balls etc etc etc !
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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 22:02:19
Sorry Tim.

So I'm a "dolt" because I wrongly remember which Celtic player conceded the penalty?

Doesn't really matter with regard to the point. Must be great to never make a mistake.
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G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 22:04:05
stevie..its called injury time because its based on the match in question..you can't just say its 3 mins "generally" and imply the ref is favouring rangers

..and just to be a pedant..JC darcheville had the ball at the halfway line when the whistle went ;-)

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Fayneant,

NZ 30/12/2007 22:05:44
241 - Bemused - I think you are pushing it a bit. Regardless of the result, Wednesday's OF match will not decide the title. However, if Celtic lose and Rangers take most (if not all) the points from their next 3 matches, the pressure will be on WGS and I am looking forward to seeing how he handles it. He may have taken his side to the last 16 of the CL, but if there's a real chance of Celtic losing the SPL to Rangers, I am sure there will be more than a few Celtic supporters that want shot of him...

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G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 22:09:11
both teams have dropped far too many points for anyone to claim the title is over in january...

rangers are coming onto form, but we've seen plenty lacklustre performances to be getting carried away

the good news for rangers is that anytime we've managed to put a challenge together in the last few years.... we've won it
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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 22:09:41
Actually Tim,

It was Elvis who gave away the penalty against Hearts.

Elvis Caldwell.

I call him that because ever since Celtic signed him from Hibs, your fans have been singing "Return To Sender"...
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 22:10:21
BE Grubworm do you actually watch football? I mean do you actually watch the games and what's happening?

1. Naismith goal was marginally offside but the benefit of the doubt should go to the attacker. (unless of course the attacker is a celtic player - see McDonald's disallowed goal at Inverness or Riordan's goal v Gretna)

2. Burke! Never a pen and he should have been booked for diving and subsequently sent off for five clear dives throughout the first half.

3. Shiels dived as well...never a pen and he should have been booked for diving.

4. Whittaker should have been sent off for the two footed lunge.

5. Hutton should have been booked for elbowing the Hibs player in the face.

6. Weir should have been booked for his shove on the hibs winger.

All that said, Rangers deserved to win as Hibs were pathetic just like the ref. Charlie Richmond is a joke ref.

Wonder if you'll get any favours on wednesday. Who is the ref incidentally?




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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 22:12:25
Hey G...

There were plenty of Celtic fans on here claiming the title was over in August...
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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 22:15:08
Ah Tim.

The argument gets a little heated and the old "dolt" and "grubworm" personal insults come out again.

Grace under pressure, eh?

I watch plenty of football, my friend.

Naismith onside.

Burke a penalty.

Shiels a penalty.

Just my opinion. But on here, it's just as valid as yours.
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Teary Ennui,

30/12/2007 22:17:15
Stevenson should have been booked for blatantly pulling Burke back by the shirt - usually an automatic yellow. Maybe that was one of Burke's alleged dives though and he used his telekinetic powers to thrust his shirt into Stevenson's hand.

Referee Richmond seemed to have decided that he wouldn't give a foul unless it was a brutal assault and he wouldn't book anyone for fouls. It was ironic then that he decided he had to book someone right at the end for something he only thought was going to happen - because he had denied Rangers a very clear advantage.
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Stevie1888,

30/12/2007 22:18:30
G, I would genuinely like to know how much was added on in your game yesterday. I don't recall seeing the board or anyone stating how much time added on, if it was 1 minute then it is a rarity (you make a fair point about how much time to be added on is calculated) & if it was more than that then the game was cut short. Obviously we wont agree on how a very 1 sided match was concluding & we dont want to get pedantic ! Oh, by the way that challenge by Whittaker WAS a shocker & again we wont agree but only 1 team can get away with that in dear old scotland !
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Teary Ennui,

30/12/2007 22:23:01
Saw Edouardo of Arsenal make a challenge very similar to Whittaker's yesterday and he didn't get a card. Maybe there's a pro-Arsenal plot in England, eh?
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 22:25:42
BE Grubworm, I've referred to you as Grubworm for weeks now. Nothing to do with pressure or heated debate. And not because you have proved you don't actually watch the game of football but make it up from listening to the radio.

BTW, I haven't started on personal insults just stating facts - you are a dolt more often than not and behave constantly as a grubworm, slipping and slithering under different identities day in day out.

But if you are a sensitive wee soul then I'll just return to ignoring you, probably do both of us a favour.

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 22:27:52
referee for Wednesday is Craig Thomson (same spelling as Kevin Thomson of RFC - wonder if they are related?)
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G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 22:31:26
Stevie.. 1 min was held up.. they never showed it being held up on tv, but scott booth commented on it at the time...

the ref ended up playing a few secs under 2 mins...whether this was indication that he is a member of opus dei..i'm not sure!
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Fayneant,

NZ 30/12/2007 22:31:28
255 - you're probably on to something - after all, it's such an unusual name....
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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 22:36:27
Oh, I'm not sensitive at all Tim.

And I don't post as anyone else, although it does amuse me to watch you keep on banging that same drum.

but keep up your pro-Celtic "too biased to be taken seriously" posting!

It brightens my dark winter days!

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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 22:37:48
#256...was scott booths comment to be shocked that the referee had somehow found a minute to add on..and he should have blown right on 90 minutes just incase hibs fluked an equaliser ???

ps definition of unflinching used in the headline of this article.."showing a fearless determination in the face of danger or difficulty." way to go the gers x
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 22:39:10
#258..come on bemused "dolt" exile..im sure you've been called worse x
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Stevie1888,

30/12/2007 22:39:34
G fair enough on the time then, your thoughts on Whittaker's challenge ?
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jerrymanders,

Sunny side of the divided. 30/12/2007 22:40:09
BE

Nice try but Naismith was defo offside. TV showed it. Weir defo Yellow. Whittaker defo Yellow/poss red. Burke? At this rate he will be the new Captain of Vlads submarine!
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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 22:42:39
Can't agree with you re. Naismith jerry.

Go onto the BBC website and bring up the highlights, and freeze the replay as they draw the imaginary line at the moment that the pass was executed.

He's onside.
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Teary Ennui,

30/12/2007 22:43:55
Celtic were drawing a league game recently and the referee added on five minutes of injury time. I wasn't happy about it but I didn't decide it was down to a conspiracy.
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sonofcosmos,

30/12/2007 22:44:04
funnily enough i thought naismith was onside.....but then i thought riordan was yesterday and macdonald was against ict...weir and whittakers fouls were straightforward bookings..too bad mccurry wasnt in charge hes known to hand out the yellows...
burkes diving in the first half was disgraceful and as ive said a few times ive never seen one player dive more often in one half in my life....
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jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 22:48:25
BE

Watched it live on Setanta yesterday and defo offside. Even Scott Booth agreed! Was shown time and again. Offside.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 22:48:38
At the moment that the pass is executed, the rear foot of the defender and the leading foot of Naismith are exactly in line.

Exactly.
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Fayneant,

NZ 30/12/2007 22:49:08
WGS tried to up the psychological ante late last week by declaring Rangers as favourites to win the SPL.

What was Walter Smith's reaction?

He laughed.

Yes, Old Uncle Walter laughed. He then went on to say (in his own way), "nice try pal, but been there, done that. Long way to go yet, and I've been there many, many times before"

Smith has a gravitas and experience that WGS will never have. No doubt once next season comes around he'll be sharing his 'unique' sense of humour with other TV pundits and punters at his new pub
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/12/2007 22:51:42
#268 funnily enough strachan's comments were made the day after the bookies made rangers favourites...so i dont know what walter was laughing at...x
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 22:52:12
For the attention of all other posters

Here are the other identities Bemused Exile uses...

Keyboard Supporter (as the sly bigot)

John USA (the hard core bigot)

Rangers Malcontent (as a slightly more extreme Rangers fan but not raving like John)

As Bemused Exile (the would be fair minded authority on the game who invariably gets his facts wrong and normally hedges his bets so that he is not shown up for the mug/dolt he is)

Thommo is another one to watch as I am sure he's another ID BE uses but not enough proof yet.

He is called BE Grubworm because he is a slippery slithery customer who slides in his bigoted agenda under many guises and in many ways.

He claims to come from Saltcoats where he also claims he stood by for years and watched the IRA visit his street fortnightly to collect money from 8 of his neighbours. But unlike the good upstanding citizen he pretends to be...he never called the police... after all that money was only going to blow up innocent women and children. Which brings me nicely to another of BE Grubworm's guises...

Hunky Dorey (the IRA loving, Reid hating strachan hating hard line Celtic fan) whom BE openly tells us he admires...see how this slithery slug works...

Be warned fellow posters...




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jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 22:53:16
BE

No. Head and body were in front. Offside. Pictures from Setanta confirmed this. BBC were not covering this match.
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sonofcosmos,

30/12/2007 22:54:06
#270 this is afairly good messageboard..certainly better than the bbc joke..but dont get into all this crapola..x
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Fayneant,

NZ 30/12/2007 22:54:37
269 - I think if you had read Smith's comments you would would know why he was laughing...
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jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 22:55:56
#268

Walter's comments were actually "I don't know why he would say that" Fact. First battle won.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 22:56:35
Let's see how much Watty and Fatty are laughing on Wednesday when we rub their bitter bluenoses right in it.

Revenge will be so sweet.
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G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 22:56:37
Whittaker deserved a yellow..he won the ball with his right and followed through on the man with his left... nowhere near a carvalho-type two footed lunge.

Eater Road was a potential banana skin, and we extremely well..to such an extent that it was the most uncontroversial game you could watch.. hibs never even stuck the boot in when rangers were ole-ing around (unlike a certain other team )

absolutely amazed there is so much conspiracy chat ;-)

just for cosmos, and his mccurry conspiracies

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,2196381,00.html

gers 2-0 up..only four yellows given out, all stick ons...




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calscot,

30/12/2007 22:56:43
#242 You're another Celtic fan who doesn't really understand this phrase but it's all part of your rhetoric when you're struggling to counter a plausible scenario. However, to make your analogy match the real situation, it would seem that your aunt has booked in for gender reassignment surgery in the middle of January...
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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 23:02:55
Classic Tim.

I know that you "believe" me to be other posters, although I'm not, but I've waited for the day that you named them..

Keyboard Supporter? I've only seen one or two of his posts. I think he agreed with me on something the other day. I guess that's suspicious.

"John USA" I'm not even aware of.

Rangers Malcontent. Again, think I've seen the name, but couldn't even tell you the type of poster that he is.

And Thommo? The cut and paste man. does a fine job, but hardly my style.

Hunkydorey we've been through before. He doesn't like you much. Neither do I. Does that make us the same person? Nope.

This all, of course, neatly sidesteps the fact that one of the most persistent offenders on here is the other "Bemused_Exile". Or is that me too?

Your paranoia knows no bounds.

I'll tell you what I'll do for you though, if it would work. Why don't you email the Scotsman and ask them, with regard to all the names mentioned in your post, whether any of them share an ISP address with me? I'll email them and give them my permission to tell you.

I'll be happy to put your troubled little paranoid mind to rest.
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Fayneant,

NZ 30/12/2007 23:03:06
275 - Sounding a tad tetchy, there Tim!

Celtic may win on Wednesday - although Rangers go into the game looking the better team - but the question is, can they afford to lose?

If they lose the game, they will go into their next match with Rangers several points in the lead and their defensive saviour ("be very afraid") off to the African Nations Cup. This would be a real test of character for WGS, and I don't think he's up to it.
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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradiso 30/12/2007 23:12:17
279

Fayeant I cant believe you are questioning Gordon Strachans character.

This is a guy who suffered the onslaught of the media after the worst result in Celtic's european history.

This is a guy who has been through the following:

Physically Attacked by opposing fans

Verbally attacked by fans and stewards

Victimised by referees and officals.

Constantly harrassed by the anti celtic media

All this and he's had fall outs with major players int he game including Fergie...who punted him only for the wee man to go on and captain Leeds to the title over Fergie...

I have said before if you cut Gordon Strachan open you'd find a football instead of a heart. The wee guy lives and breathes the game and he is no quitter nor is he a coward. That's why he has been so successful in the game and that's why he'll make it three in a row - because of his outstanding tenacious character.

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jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 23:16:05
To be fair BE is just a bluenose. Hell awaits though.
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Alan B,

30/12/2007 23:19:37
Thought Burke was excellent and Rangers are a different side when he plays. The defence is dodgy and could do with Webster.

Think the linesman surprising was biased against Rangers. U do not often see that. It started straight from the kick off when Burke beat and Stevenson put the ball out of play only for Hibs to get the shy. Continuing when Stevenson blantently fouled Burke (tv evidence showed that so i do not know why poster above are talking about 5 dives). He dived once, after beating Shiels on the left.

1) Burke was bundled over by Jones - penalty (stupid of Jones as he going nowhere but does not change things).
2) Burke was clipped by Stevenson - penalty.

Surprising how Stevenson stayed on as he should have gone for consistent fouling. When he grabbed Burke's shirt he should have seen red.




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G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 23:19:37
Tim

it was the celtic fans who physically attacked WGS on the park when he played for aberdeen at parkhead right?

sorry..couldn't resist.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

30/12/2007 23:20:41
Hey Tim.

I've done the job for you. I've complained about your post, and submitted my email address to the Scotsman editorial team. I've asked them, if they're able, to check the ISP address of every poster that you've named and compare it to mine.

I'm gonna look pretty silly if any of them turn out to be me, am I not?
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30/12/2007 23:21:24
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G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 23:30:09
i seem to remember it wasn't only the media who were participating in the onslaught after the Artmedia result.

I actually quite like WGS..he comes across as a decent bloke.
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jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 23:30:19
#284
#286
Or MOJO?
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calscot,

Mk 30/12/2007 23:33:53
Whether Naismith was onside is too difficult to call even with freeze frame. Benefit should go to the attacker. But what of the offside incorrectly called on Burke when he would have been clear on goal? I rewound and paused at the time of the pass and seen him to be at least 3 yards onside - of course he appeared to be about 10 yards offside and away on his own when he actually received the ball. Terrible decision. Also funny how a series of fouls on Burke not called by the ref is then revised to, "diving" - but then the reality doesn't fit the conspiracy theory.
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calscot,

Mk 30/12/2007 23:34:01
Whether Naismith was onside is too difficult to call even with freeze frame. Benefit should go to the attacker. But what of the offside incorrectly called on Burke when he would have been clear on goal? I rewound and paused at the time of the pass and seen him to be at least 3 yards onside - of course he appeared to be about 10 yards offside and away on his own when he actually received the ball. Terrible decision. Also funny how a series of fouls on Burke not called by the ref is then revised to, "diving" - but then the reality doesn't fit the conspiracy theory.
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Fayneant,

NZ 30/12/2007 23:36:33
280 - Tim. I know WGS' pedigree, but I also think he shoots off at the mouth too quickly for his own good sometimes. Just compare for a moment the styles of Walter Smith and WGS in interviews after games - especially ones their side has just lost.

I think he has all the potential to do a 'Kevin Keegan' - and I am sure there are a few Celtic supporters see that too.
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G...,

Scotland 30/12/2007 23:37:35
i've heard a few stories about new signings playing in the OF game on the 2nd.

I thought the SPL was still on its hols for the first two days and registrations can't go through ?

anyone heard..before Gordon Smiths rug is dragged through the mud again!
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jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 23:38:15
CALSCOT

He was offside, but these things happen. Weir? Definite yellow. Whittaker, definite yellow, if not a red. But hey, these things happen.
237

Fayneant,

NZ 30/12/2007 23:38:30
280 - BTW, I called him neither a quitter, nor a coward - he won't need to quit as he'll be shown the door to Celtic PLC if Rangers win the League/
238

jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 23:40:05
#291

Did Kevin Keegan win four trophies in two years, whilst his nearest rivals were Hearts?
239

Fayneant,

NZ 30/12/2007 23:45:46
295 - You do understand what I mean by 'doing a Kevin Keegan'?
240

jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 23:48:36
#296

oops
241

jerrymanders,

30/12/2007 23:50:14
Don't worry. Wattie will do worse. OOPS
242

Stevie1888,

31/12/2007 01:08:20
#277 plausible scenario ehhh ! Lets see then, 1st up you have to do what the champions of Europe couldn't do, not very plausible ! 2nd beat Dundee Utd, plausible I suppose 3rd beat St Mirren plausible & then 4 beat Gretna who are on a decent (for them) run, then plausible (although you didn't dare play them a couple of weeks ago) ! a lot of ifs & ands I say so again if my aunty etc etc !
243

Colin P,

31/12/2007 01:41:38
#219 Timothy Malloy esq
You said "Rangers have dropped points at -

Tynecastle
Tannandice
Fir Park
Pittodrie

They have also lost at home (something Celtic haven't done for 39 matches)"

39 matches??? Seems to me you lost 2-0 to Hearts in the `diddy cup`not so long ago.....Hallowe'en, wasn`t it?

I have also found that on the 29th of April you lost 3-1 to Hearts, again..at Parkhead.
The loss to Rangers was 11 March...so..where do you get time to fit 39 games into any space there?

LOL
Give us a break, and come back with the truth...something a lot of "Celtic-minded" have trouble with.
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costablancabear,

THE CHOSEN FEW CBLSC 31/12/2007 13:00:13
we still have the best defensive record in the league, and that is without a natural LB although Whittaker is doing a good job as he is getting up in support. WS should use the same tactics and team(Hemdani - outstanding - lets Fergie get up) Burke and Naismith on either side and well Cousi,Boyd,Darchvelle,Novo take yer pick for the striker, and when need be we fall back into a 4-5-1 when defending, with Burke and Naismith running at Balde and Calderwood -we are bound to get numerous free-kicks and they will get booked or sent-off.watch this space.Walter must rrealise after the Hibs game that is the best formation for us and Thomson,Fergie and Hemdani CAN play together,the end,bye Celtic 1 Rangers 3 (Naismith,ferguson,Boyd).........We will be top o the league on the 2nd - sorry bhoys , the truth hurts
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 31/12/2007 13:31:59
#270 Malloy....... The only slithery slug on this thread is YOU! You try to come across on a Mr. fu**ing nice guy. However the reallity is that you run with the hare and chase with the hounds.You sir are a creep! I just happen to have great respect for the poster who goes by the name of Bemused Exile. With him its a case of "what you see is what you get" That respect does not extend to you for obvious reasons. As a life long Celtic supporter I also have respect for most of the followers of R.F.C. who post here and on other threads.So! take a good look at yourself and make a new year resolution to stop making a ar*e of yourself. H.D.

 

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