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Published Date: 11 January 2009
PRINCE Harry was last night forced to apologise after calling a fellow soldier a "Paki" and telling another he looked like a "raghead".
The 24-year-old, who is third in line to the throne, was filmed making the remarks in a video diary which he himself recorded. It is the latest race-related gaffe made by the young royal, who was previously castigated for dressing as a Nazi at a fancy dress party.

The comments were a recorded by the prince on a camcorder during a training exercise in Cyprus.

Last night St James's Palace issued an apology over the film, which was filmed in 2006.

In the footage, which was obtained by the New of the World newspaper, the Prince calls an Asian squaddie "our little Paki friend" and tells another officer cadet jokingly wearing a camouflage veil off duty: "F*** me, you look like a raghead" – an offensive term for Arabs.

The film shows the Prince zooming his camera over his sleeping comrades as they wait for a flight, before he stops and zooms into the face of an Asian recruit.

He then whispers: "Anybody else around here?… Ah, our little Paki friend… Ahmed."

After arriving in Cyprus, Harry is shown on exercise with his platoon when he makes a second offensive comment.

One of his comrades has put what appears to be some camouflage over his head, and as he looks up at the camera lens the Prince says: "It's Dan the Man… F*** me, you look like a raghead. Look at me. Look at me… look away."

He is also shown making fun of his grandmother, the Queen, who is the commander in chief of the British Armed Forces. The Prince is filmed staging a mock phone call, during which he says: "I've got to go, got to go. Send my love to the corgis. Send my love to the corgis and Grandpa… God Save You… yeah, that's great."

Throughout the film, Harry remarks several times: "All is good in the Empire."

Senior defence sources said there was now a serious question mark over whether he could remain in the Army. The high ranking Army source said: "Any ordinary officer would be asked to resign immediately for making such a comment."

A St James's Palace spokesman said: "Prince Harry fully understands how offensive this term can be, and is extremely sorry for any offence his words might cause. However, on this occasion three years ago, Prince Harry used the term without any malice and as a nickname about a highly popular member of his platoon. There is no question that Prince Harry was in any way seeking to insult his friend. Prince Harry used the term 'raghead' to mean Taliban or Iraqi insurgent."

Last night, Nick Harvey, the Liberal Democrats defence spokesman, said: "If true, then Prince Harry will come to regret this a great deal. As part of the leadership of the nation it is neither reasonable or acceptable to use language like this which will rightly offend people.

Army sources claimed the Prince was in "serious trouble" over the incident. One said: "No one has worked harder to improve its problems with racism than the Army. This has brought shame on the forces and set us back years and years.

A spokesman for the Muslim Council for Great Britain also condemned the Prince's actions. Inayat Bunglawala said: "As an heir to the throne, Prince Harry should understand just how offensive the term 'Paki' is. His use of this extremely derogatory word legitimises it and that is utterly unacceptable."

A spokeswoman for the Ministry of Defence said: "Neither the Army nor the Armed Forces tolerates inappropriate behaviour in any shape or form.

"The Army takes all allegations of inappropriate behaviour very seriously and all substantive allegations are investigated.

"We are not aware of any complaint having been made by the individual.

"Bullying and racism are not endemic in the Armed Forces."

A Royal history of accusations

Prince Harry's great grandmother Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, was accused of being a racist bigot by Edward Stourton, the former BBC Radio 4 Today presenter.

In a book about political correctness, Stourton last year described a lunch with the Queen Mother in the 1990s in which they discussed the EEC.

Stourton revealed that the late royal referred to "Huns, Wops and Dagos" in an extraordinary xenophobic tirade against Europe.

Stourton wrote that the "The Nation's Favourite Grandmother was in fact a ghastly old bigot."

In 1986, the Duke of Edinburgh told a British student in China: "If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes."

In 1999, he caused more offence when he was shown a fuse box at a hi-tech factory in Edinburgh and remarked that it "looked as though it had been put in by an Indian".


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  • Last Updated: 11 January 2009 12:29 AM
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1

Jonboy,

11/01/2009 00:39:14
Well said, Edward Stourton.... They are all ghastly bigots...

It's time we got rid of the lot of the whole lot of them and all the countless hangers on...
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glen urquhart,

glasgow 11/01/2009 00:57:49
His father should be ashamed of him.

And Prince Charles.
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AJ Fife,

11/01/2009 01:03:06
Ha Ha, it's all too much. Where do you start........
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Canada,

Canada 11/01/2009 01:14:43
Is there censorship here?
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Canada,

Canada 11/01/2009 01:19:04
I'll try again. Sticks and stanes will break my banes, but names will never hurt me. Well said Harry! Sorry if the pc sensitive people are so offended. Grow up.
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Muskrat,

11/01/2009 01:41:00
Harry is just voicing what the rest of us, choked to death by political correctness, would like to say. Not so far in the future, opening our mouths to voice any opinion at all will be politically incorrect.
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Graeme,

Guangzhou 11/01/2009 02:04:16
I’m not scared to say im British and proud. Are you?
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Minty's Last Stand,

11/01/2009 02:17:17
Come and join the british army, lay down your life for the nation ...and get racially insulted by a nerd that was too dumb for higher education.

Where do I sign ?
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Peripatetic Pensioner,

Overseas on a motorcycle 11/01/2009 02:31:01
After 35 years in the UK armed forces I am well aware of military slang its use and the way that it develops. During my time in the service of Queen and country I did not meet 1 serving member that I would consider to be racist in the true sense of the word although I accept that there must be some in an organisation that big, I have however met or read the comments of many people in civilian life that have never enjoyed the comradeship of the military that I would call sanctimonious pr@ts. That lad is trying to do something useful for his and our country within the constraints placed upon him, leave him alone or join up and do something useful with your lives.
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Sam the man the snp Fear most,

11/01/2009 02:44:06
Harry-The British public are behind you and proud of you,if you are British you get called a Brit, i rest my case regarding the pk remark.

Today the muslim(islam the religion of peace.lol.) and left wing idiots ran riot through Edinburgh just like but not as bad as they did in our nations capital London, i am delighted to hear that the Police are viewing yesterdays events as a criminal incident/s in Edinburgh.

Israel has every right to defend its people and land, very sad to see the usual Scottish MSPs out supporting the Terrorist palestians who have hit Israel with 3000 plus rockets, not once did i hear any of the left wingers attack muslims for attacking Israel.

I hope very much Israel does the job this time, aswell as this pakistan and iran need to be dealt with, then we may have more hope of peace.

WELL DONE ISRAEL!

WELL DONE HARRY!

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Suzi B,

11/01/2009 02:58:51
Australian newsreaders call the Pakistani cricket team 'the P@ki's' and it is not said nor taken as being in any way derogatory, and in context it isn't, as they shorten every name. Here in Britain we are all so used to bending over backwards being politically correct that we suck our breath in with horror when someone uses the word in ANY context. As for 'raghead' well, for goodness sake, get a grip. It is at worst the equivalent of calling someone 'specky four eyes' or 'fatty'. I suspect that 'raghead' isn't the worst term of abuse the army has for Iraqi insurgents or the Taliban. Lets save our condemnation for people who call others names as a form of persecution, intimidation, incitement, bullying or as a deliberate act of hurtfulness, not members of the British forces who are working in hard and dangerous circumstances and shouldn't be having to guard thir tongue 24/7 to save falling foul of the PC brigade at home.
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Alan B,

11/01/2009 03:18:58
See the racists and their apologists are out today.

Harry should be kicked out and made an example off. Trying to make out it is not a big deal is simply wrong.

Everyone with a brain knows the term is offensive and used to cause offense. As such why would anyone deliberately try to offend another because of their colour or origin.

Harry's remarks are probably that of someone just trying to fit in and being offensive to someone that sticks out because of his colour is just that of a moronic bully.



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Teofilio Cubillas,

11/01/2009 03:26:24
Generally, a fuss about nothing. He used the word in a private conversation - big deal.

#12 I'm anything but left wing, however, since when did Israel's right to self-defence extend to killing children? The tedious response that Hamas is using them as human shields is no excuse - as a nation state surely Israel has a greater moral responsibility than a terrorist organisation? The IDF is behaving like the SS did in Eastern Europe circa 1943 - you kill one of ours, we kill one hundred of yours. I'm no knee-jerk anti-israeli, but if you think killing hundreds of children is an acceptable means of self-defence, you're deluding yourself.
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Alan B,

11/01/2009 03:33:18
#12 So it ok in your book for Israel to steal someone elses land. You either know little about the history around the creation of Israel and the subsequent events or as your condoning of Harrys remarks to abuse other that are different from you whether it colour or whatever.
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The Trossachs Hasher,

11/01/2009 04:13:56
"We are not aware of any complaint having been made by the individual"

I think this one line says it all. The person, to whom the comment was made in the first place, has obviously not taken this as a racist comment and has does not think it necessary to complain.

Far too often in these cases, it is never the person who was "abused" who makes the "complaint" but the still rampant PC brigade and "rent a gobs" who jump up and down to voice their unsolicited opinions.

As for the ridiculous comment tha the army has been set back "years and year" - please! They are far too busy fighting in Afghanistan to worry about a two year old comment by one person.

Why has has all this been dragged up now? Who is behind all of this?

I think we should be told!
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Anonym,

11/01/2009 04:29:36
Alan. Harry's remarks are NOT grounds for being made an example of just to appease a bunch of PC lunatics with no sense of perspective.

Freedom of speech is far more important than attempting to prevent people calling each other names, regardless of their respective (no doubt, different) races.
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US Cavalry,

Virginia, USA 11/01/2009 04:47:25
Well done Harry. At least we know you have a pair Lad.
Such a fuss for something said two years ago.
18

Dubai Jambo,

11/01/2009 05:10:26
Does that mean if someone calls me a JOCK ( Being from Bonnie Scotland )they are being Racist??? ---- Wake up and get a Life
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 11/01/2009 05:33:05
My sister is married to someone that comes form pakistan... guess what term they use round the house? Is Brit a racist term - given that its short for British? To those that hate their British passport, not me, I am sure it is a term of abuse. Not to me. Neither is P*ki to my sister or her husband.

HRH's comments did not seem to be made in anything other than the general tone of camaraderie among men serving in the military. Frankly if he had just used the F word I bet some haters would attack him for that alone.

This is a made up - and past its 'sell by date' - non-story. He shouldn't apologize he shouls say "lighten up or B*gg*r off"!
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 11/01/2009 05:42:10
#14 & #19 - you and your ilk are all to quick with the accusation of "racist". I think it says more about you than about the people you fling it at.

As for you #8 - Me too!!!
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 11/01/2009 05:56:31
More comedic antics from the Buckingham Palace Hillbillies.

Poor Harry seems to be treading the well worn path of his Great Gran and Grandfather.

Unfortunately the PC brigade won't let the Royals be their inbred selves.



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John6,

Calgary 11/01/2009 06:28:02
Sort of reminds you of Grandpa Phil.
Opens mouth to change feet
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jarmon,

11/01/2009 07:04:02
Personally i'm proud of prince harry.At least he's standing on his own two feet as a man,which is what a prince should do.Some people seem to think someone like him is supposed to be some wimpish girly boy kissing everybody's a*se.I don't expect anybody to have to do that,and not him either.
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Ticher10,

11/01/2009 07:19:41
to all you silly people..you know who i mean.
"#*XXXX##+++****!!!!!"
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Martello,

East Sussex 11/01/2009 07:40:15
Censored word for Pakistani. Brit for Briton. Please explain the acceptability of one word and not the other.
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donald,

glasgow 11/01/2009 07:46:20
Gos save the Labour Queen.
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portnoi,

Wetaskiwin 11/01/2009 07:46:34
Big Harry Deal! So he's a little immature.Not newsworthy.Let it go.
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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 11/01/2009 08:23:57
This kind of non event about terminology which many of us use should stay in the News of The world where it belongs.
It seems that we can say Jock, Taff, Yank,Aussie etc and it is quite acceptable yet shorten down Pakistani or refer to someone with a bit of cloth on their head and people are up in arms!!
Get a life folks.
Well done Harry,you are a pretty regular bloke who obviously gets on well with your mates.
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Edinburgh Aussie,

Krakow, Poland 11/01/2009 08:35:36
#13 I totally agree and couldn't have said it better myself! Funny how we aren't allowed to express ourselves anymore - unless of course it's against whitey! Having had comments made about me when I lived in a Muslim country (as a white female) I learned very quickly to ignore them! And strangely enough.... I didn't need counseling or compensation or any of that nonsense!
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Mike Masterton,

Galsgow 11/01/2009 08:55:29
The "News of The World" what a brass neck they have.
This is a reminder why I don't buy this c**p paper
Harry & Wills best thing that has happened to this country for years.
Get off the throne your maj, and let these fellas have a go, and brighten up this dull country !
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Ross,

Athens 11/01/2009 08:56:50
Does anyone know the point in the Royal family?
They get paid huge amounts of money to act like a shower of pr****.
Out dated and sad.
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DeniseX,

11/01/2009 09:02:28
Why is it offensive? It is short for pakistani. Brit is short for British. Should we Britains be offended when we are called Brits?
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Martin_edinburgh,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 09:19:19
This story is a perfect example of the fact that the popular press clearly don't understand armay comrade banter. Soldiers say things to each other, and about each other, in jest that, if said by one stranger to another, in a nasty way, would be horribly offensive, but in context is simply meant as a bit of comradish banter. Prince Harry probably gets the p*ss taken out of him by his comrades for being posh, upper class, royal, ginger, and all the rest, and doubtless takes it in good humour.

The sanctimonious News of the World, and it seems many of the posters above, just don't seem to understand the way that soldiers talk about each other, but then that is a reflection of most civvies' lack of understanding about the army and how soldiers keep each others' morale up through general joking and making fun of each other.

This story says far more about general lack of understanding of soldiers by civilians than it does about Prince Harry.
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FTH22inarow,

11/01/2009 09:20:52
Royals are Rascist Shock, hopefully this will end this archaic institution.
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MoiraMac,

11/01/2009 09:27:50
What difference does it make if you call someone P*ki or Pakistani? If there is a problem with racism/immigration/integration in this country wouldn't it be better to find out why? Perhaps political correctness is preventing politicians from finding out what the man in the street is thinking.

#61 I don't know why it is offensive its just a abbreviation of Pakistani. Aussi, Jock, Kiwi are all acceptable so why not P*ki perhaps you could explain.
The Scotsman wont even let me type the word P*ki - how weird.
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carrottop,

Dumfries 11/01/2009 09:29:04
I've been called Jock, Haggis etc when abroad and in London and what of it? Know plenty of Asian in London who refer to themselves as Pakki but have never known a PC who accepts being called a prat which is what they are.
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kpm,

unsworth 11/01/2009 09:34:26
Qh dear, I never realised how many sensitive souls were out there, get a life.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 09:42:34
#65 carrottop

Maybe you've just got broader shoulders or have more self confidence. I personally would never take any reference to my race or nationality to be in any way an insult. But if you asked someone not to call you whatever name and they didn't take any notice, you'd be quite peeved. The majority of people in the Asian community find this particular word offensive. That's up to them and everyone should respect their feelings and change their behaviour. It's not difficult to show a little consideration.
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AJ Fife,

11/01/2009 09:47:55
I'm not sure if anybody has noticed before, but doesn't Harry look like that James Hewitt fellow?

I seem to remember Di was allegedley fond of the ex-cavalryman's lance.
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AJ Fife,

11/01/2009 09:48:10
I'm not sure if anybody has noticed before, but doesn't Harry look like that James Hewitt fellow?

I seem to remember Di was allegedley fond of the ex-cavalryman's lance.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 09:48:57
#56 Veritas

At least it's not inherently sexist and mysoginist !!
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markusb,

south coast 11/01/2009 09:57:37
and of course all those who would like to see the royals got rid off have come out of the woodwork, i would be more prepared to listen to those, if they could come up with an alternative for the job the head of state does, instead of just a straight kill them all answer
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The Strategist,

11/01/2009 10:01:33
These stories are only important to those who consider the royal family important. I certainly don't.

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Pilrig.,

Livingston 11/01/2009 10:07:26
65 - it's usually plod
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US Graham,

America 11/01/2009 10:10:04
How is "P*ki" any more or less offensive than "Brit"? I blame Prince Harry's tongue for the current global economic melt-down, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the troubles between India and Pakistan, the gas flap between Russia and Ukraine, genocide in Darfur, the global sex-slave trade, American Idol, and any other international disaster you'd care to hang your hat on. The little limey should be strung up!
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 10:12:03
#80 The Strategist

So unimportant that you thought you'd let everyone marvel at how unimportant you consider them.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 11/01/2009 10:13:18
77 - surely not, scandalous tittle-tattle : )
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Scimitar1,

11/01/2009 10:14:14
I see the Race Industry attack dogs are foaming at this young man , despite (that word) being used by the vast majority of citizens (albeit in private).

The fact the the word is considered prejorative by the Race Industry is perhaps indicative of the low esteem that Pakistini's enjoy from the native people in UK.

The Indians use the word "Pak" without causing offence so how does adding an "i" make it racist, especially if the word refers to a nationality or maybe the Left can come up with another "phobia" or "ism" to describe them.

I draw attention to the car shunted Glasgow nurse who was charged with a racially aggravated crime after watching a crowd of pakistani's converge around the perpetrator speaking in Urdu - "Aye,You Pakistani's always stick together", was her crime.

Fortunately, the judge threw it out but it's a measure of the degree of politicization of Strathclyde police force and the Procurator Fiscal service that such a case came before a judge.

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Pilrig.,

Livingston 11/01/2009 10:15:34
79 nope we cant get rid of them, they are tourist attractions (see what the yanks & French are missing oot on)
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buller,

MACDUFF 11/01/2009 10:15:46
SCOT, AUSSIE, BRIT, PADDY , MICK , BALDY , FATTY , SPECKY but not P*** get a grip and grow up!!! And the Royal Family does more for this country than the corrupt , bent ,pocket lining MP'S!!
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 10:16:16
#82 US Graham

Interestingly, 'PAK' is a very common abbreviation used in the Indian Subcontinent, including Pakistan, when referring to Pakistan and Pakistanis. So for the sake of an 'i' the word has become offensive. That's not the point though. It IS now considered offensive by the people it refers to, so their sensibilities should be respected.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 10:18:07
This is typical of our ruling classes, David Cameron has just been on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show and said that while he was all in favour of the French intervention in the Gaza crisis he would have it to have been an Anglo-French approach.
Without a thought he thereby insulted all the Scots, Welsh and Irish who make up the rest of the population ofBritain.
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markusb,

11/01/2009 10:20:17
#84 ok so will the president just be for Uk or would he take on the commonwealth role as well, and also i don't fancy have some like Brown Cameron or Clegg, but then again i've removed myself form the voting list so it and i don't matter when it comes to elections
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Pocket Dictionary,

11/01/2009 10:22:33
Prince Harry has NOT apologised.A lackey issued a statement. When PH appears in person and apologises, only then has he made a personal apology.

As for the Queen Mother, I worked with someone who years ago was switchboard operator on the London telephone exchange which covered Buckingham Palace and she said the Queen Mother was a wicked harridan who lived in the past treating the exchange staff like scum.
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Lumpy Dan,

Partick 11/01/2009 10:32:35
If the English royals behave like this in public and record it, one wonders whats said behind closed doors ?
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Douglas,

Bathgate 11/01/2009 10:32:47
Something seems to be forgotten in all of this, he's a ginger. He has his own issues to deal with.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 10:35:28
#90 Auld Twa

No, he insulted you and ers*es like you, who are just waiting to take offence when none is intended.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 10:39:51
#98
No offence was taken by us and maube not by many Pakistanis either, we were just pointing out that there are similarities in the careless use of language.
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Mobat,

11/01/2009 10:39:56
#98 spot on

Having been in the service I was called a 'porridge w0g' should I have gone crying off to mummy??
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Jim P,

11/01/2009 10:39:58
This prince Harry?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4170083.stm
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radge dug,

Alba 11/01/2009 10:40:18
Upper class neds are way worse than the scummy weegie ones.

Harry is an illegimate, German-blooded moron. The only difference between him and the tracksuited neds of the cities is his family and bank account.

Surely, in this recessions, it's time to finally stop the Royal family. Republic now#~!
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radge dug,

11/01/2009 10:41:38
Will the Dail Mail/ Scotsman have a campaign against him like they did againt Jonny Ross and Brand?
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radge dug,

11/01/2009 10:42:32
#104 - Veritas. Das ist richtig. Diese familie ist ueber Deutsch. Engerland ueber alles!
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 10:44:07
One of the stated aims of the Prince's Trust has been to assist many young people from ethnic backgrounds in the English inner cities.

I wonder what Dad thinks about his immature son's remarks?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 10:44:30
#93 Pocket Dictionary

If you're going to make up stories, at least make them vaguely credible. That the late Queen Mother was probably a racist is highly likely. She was born at a time when just about every Briton thought anyone else who wasn't British was either less civilised or at the very least dodgy of character. She wouldn't have treated any telephone operator like scum. Firstly, I doubt she ever talked to a telephone operator, she had a flunkey to do it for her and secondly, Buckingham Palace had and has a seperate switchboard.
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Faux Cul,

11/01/2009 10:51:04
Oh he's just taking after his Father, whoever he is.
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Silence of the Yams,

11/01/2009 10:54:14
Prince Harry just keeps going up and up in my estimation. Can't wait for him to be in an Apache blowing lumps out them!
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 10:54:28
#104 Veritas

I do love the hypocrisy of those republicans who are slating Harry for his use of an admittedly unacceptable racial word be find it entirely acceptable to make reference to the Royal Family's ethnic German background and question their Britishness/Scottishness. The Queen had a grandmother born in Germany, so that makes her a German? So when do 'P**is' become Scots then? How many generations? By your hypocritical logic there can't be any Scots of Asian origin we can't forever refer to as Pakistanis.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 10:58:40
#100 Auld Twa

You protest too much. The fact that you even noticed Cameron's use of an entirely innocuous word would indicate you and that chip on your shoulder were just itching to be insulted.
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sandbach 11/01/2009 11:02:54
With all that is happening in the world it is pathetic that our news media have spent so much time on a stupid mi9stake by a young man. Sky News have given about 8hours airtime to this subject - Complete waste of time. Do we know what is being said about us Brits by various parts of our community that speak to each other in a foreign language. Forget multi-culturism we are British with a 10% mixed population.
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 11:03:17
Anybody who refers to ''pak.is'' and ''ragheads'' is an ignoramus. They are offensive terms. All that privilege and what is the result ? An ignorant stupid boor. Just get rid of them, they are parasites and are no adornment to a civilised country.
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11/01/2009 11:04:08
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The Queens's Grandmother - by whom I think you mean Queen Mary, was in fact, born in London.
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111 Moron.
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Buckfastleigh,

On guard at the border 11/01/2009 11:06:43
...at least he was not mouthing sotto voce that part of the National Anthem which refers in less than flattering terms to the "rebellious Scots".

Now had he done that; why, that would have been something! The Prince has Pluck on his side.
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Don't come it. I've noticed that republicans, for whatever reason, like to refer to the partial German background of the Royal Family. Whether it be in a mocking way or to lessen their legitimacy as individuals to be Head of State because somehow they're less Britsh. What difference does someone having German ancestry make to their being British citizens now? And is it acceptable to use someone's German-ness (is there such a word?) as a source of mockery? I'll wait for you to suggest Mohammed Sarwar isn't quite a 'proper' Scot because he was born in Pakistan. You're a hypocrite.
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Budgie,

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Comment No.2 - glen urquhart.
Perhaps they both might be ashamed of him, but I think that the abridged name for a Pakistani should only be applied to those who are born in Pakistan.
As a matter of interest; I wonder if a Swedish national objects to being called a Swede?
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Not at all, we have just taken Gordon Brown's much vaunted concept of Britishness to heart and are perhaps a little more aware of the misuse of "Anglo" than we were in the past.
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122 Pak.i is an ignorant term. That's why you can't post it, it has been loaded into the filth filter as a ''bad'' word. Posters who pretend otherwise are being disingeneous. It's an offensive term, as is ''rag head'' and his casual use of these words betrays hostility to people from a different race/religion as him.
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11/01/2009 11:12:57
PRINCE Harry deserves and should get whatever is the equivalent to a final written warning in the Army.And be made to apologise to the soldier in question in front of his comrades.

But to dismiss him would say we are unable to get on together and that we must live in separate our boxes.
Harry is no ordinary soldier and is now in a position to show we should and must live in a community which does not accept racism. And this applys to everybody if Harry is made to resign to me that only says we cannot as different ethnic peoples live and work together.
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First let me say that I'm no lover of the royal family and doubt if the younger generation would be able to find work as brickie's labourers if left on their own. However, those who appear to believe that the army is a pc organisation are living in cuckoo land. Foul mouthed badinage is the normal method of communication and rarely does anybody take offence.
In my business days I regularly phoned a customer in Cornwall and greeted him by calling him an English b*****d. His response was always the same. Don't call me an English B*****d you Scotch haggis, I'm a Cornish b*****d. Nobody ever took offence, it was part of every day life.
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hamilton 11/01/2009 11:15:44
what a load of twaddle do i object to being called a JOCK not a lot the notw should take a look at themselves is that all they have to report on being ex service man myself that is quite tame what prince harry said. what a sad state the world is in today it would suit the notw better to report on the genocide that is being carried out in zimbawe remember who fired the first shots not the israeli,s but hamas remember the second world war over 6 million jewish people exterminated because of a madman i don,t blame the israel,s for retaliation should have done it sooner as stated before i am ex service man and the rule is if you take fire you return fire simple as that as for the protester,s in london /edinburgh yesterday protestors (GET A LIFE)or go to gaza or iraq and afganistan and do it!! plenty of our soldiers have given there live,s so you can protest in a democracy. take a wake up call as for the shoe throwing can some one not think of anything original
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sometimes dismissing someone for using racist language is the easy way out it just keep people who do not wish to integrate separate. Better to say there is no other option you got to work together.
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127 You are completely wrong the Israelis broke the ceasefire first and a third of the people killed in Gaza are children, I don't think they did anything to deserve an early death do you. Shoe throwing is an insult in the Arab world as the foot is the lowest part of the body, that is the significance, it shows contempt.
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11/01/2009 11:21:50
He's a chocolate soldier. He wasn't bright enough for university, so was packed off to become an officer in the army...but what was the point when he would never be used in combat ?

It's been reported that he did a spell in afghanistan, but it's never been reported what he actually did out there ....if he was anywhere near a live round, buckingham palace would have milked it to death. The fact they've said nothing about what his duties in afghanistan actually were points strongly to him being locked away in a heavily guarded compound supervising the peeling of carrots, or inspecting the latrines.

His paternal grandfather is a racist, and it would be no great surprise if some of his attitudes rubbed off on the young dumb royal.

According to one source, any other officer who did this would have been booted out.
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Edinburgh 11/01/2009 11:25:07
#129 Veritas

At least have the good grace to concede your hypocrisy. As a republican, it somehow suits your purpose to make much of the Royal Family's ethnicity. In your post #104 you ask 'Are they English?' Now, as far as I'm aware, the Queen and both her parents were born in England. To me, that kind of makes her English. But obviously not for you if you question that. All I asked you, since you seem to be struggling, is why it's OK for you to question/mock the ethnicity of members of the Royal Family but not, I presume, to find it a source of hilarity/criticism for anyone else?
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137 OK then sod off you little trouble-maker you don't have anything sensible to say and are just here to cause it. Goodbye.
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tommybhoy azer,

hamilton 11/01/2009 11:29:32
observer"" WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE so it would be okay to call anyone a pakistani and not the shortened version dare i say it commonwealth cousin. americans yanks canadians canuck,s what is wrong have we no sense of humour anymore.
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Once again all those who live in this country are being strangled by Political Correctness.

Who cares what Prince Harry says?

At least he's doing his bit for our country, risking his own life.

The way this country is going is very worrying indeed if this is what is being 'reported' in the daily papers...
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it's so sad that in 2009 there's still so many racist scumbags

if all the ones in this thread were all the ones in the world it would be far too many

shame on you
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W Smith,

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#130 Roseblue

Well said.

Be careful, according to the SNPs Nicola Sturgeon there is a "strenght of feeling" when it comes to support for the Palestinians in Scotland.

Like a crowd of 500 protesters in Edinburgh is a majority to the SNP and 20 protesters at Prestwick over "torture flights" proves that Islam is more popular in Scotland than the Royal Family.

THESE IDIOTS CAN TWIST ANYTHING.

Anti-monarchy Salmond is due to viist the Emir of Qatar which is strange for an anti-monarchy Leftie who hates 'elitism'.

BTW
1) Prince Philip once asked a driving instructor in Oban how he managed to keep the locals of the drink long enough to get them past their driving test.

SO WHAT?

I thought it was funny and the SNP supporters should take the poker out of their politically correct a******es!

2) Salmond made personal remarks about Tony Blairs family but his followers can't take the heat when comments are made about is rather elderly wife.

3) Salmonds protest friend Galloway said Tony Blair was a legitimate target for assination.

SALMOND DIDN'T UTTER A WORD IN CONDEMNATION.

Tpical double standards from Salmonds pious followers.
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you would thikk it was the crime of the century this is what we are reduced to now we have to be politically correct before we can say anything it is accepted in the armed forces because and not only there but world wide for heaven,s sake what is wrong with people nowadays.
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tommybhoy azer,

hamilton 11/01/2009 11:40:36
and once again it was common slang to be called a porridge trougher by the marines detachment on board hms ghurka which we would reply sausage and mash eater or worse ya bunch of pillow munchers.
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Budgie,

Renfrewshire. 11/01/2009 11:41:02
Roseblue, Kent (No.147)

Round about 1745. And by your lot too.
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You don't even seem to be aware of what you're submitting. Why did you write 'Are they English?'if not to indicate you somehow doubt that fact? And if you say you wouldn't rather the country was a republic, I can only believe you, though you give a different impression. And if you're not a zoomer, I apologise. It's just you give that impression also, lol.
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Budgie,

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#124.
I admire the way you almost succeeded in using the "bad" word!
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 11:55:44
#158 Veritas

Ah, there's the rub. And what legislation would that be? Not the Act of Succession by any chance? Aw diddums, the poor wee Catholics can't be Head of State. Well, when half the practising Catholics in the World are no longer ruled out from heading their own Church because of their gender, get back to me regarding fundamental flaws and injustice. Oh, and irony of ironies, it's currently a GERMAN who is perpetuating centuries of institutional sexism.
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If anything good comes of this it will be that the ordinary people of this country, suffering in the worst econonic crisis in decades, realise that Harry is a pathetic nonentity who lives a life of wealth and luxury beyond the imagination of most people. The whole royal family suck money and the life blood from this country and treat the workers with contempt.

How on earth was the boy ever allowed to get hold of an toy, make a complete pratt of himself and release a video diary with comments that would be sure to upset lots of people and cause an uproar? We pay salaries for advisors to look after the spoilt brats, every one of the senior royals has an equerry and or secterary and there is a whole press office to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen. Why has it been released then? Is it a diversion to try and take everyones mind off the real issues i.e. the shocking wars and the failure of the government to deal effectively with the issues of the day?
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

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It's an absolute disgrace. He should have been kicked out of the army immediately.

Imagine the outcry if a Pakistani soldier had abbreviated "British" to "Brit" or "Scottish" to "Scot" - he would rightly be court martialled and quite probably executed.
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Budgie,

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#157. Roseblue,Kent.
You posed a question and I am persuaded to assume that you thought it could not be answered.
Your command of your mother tongue is a little suspect, as there is a difference between "under" and "on". (Your reply to#154 refers).
You come across as a rather arrogant individual of the type I all too frequently encountered when I resided in Erith, Kent.
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MoiraMac,

11/01/2009 12:06:11
#71 - Veritas
Sorry not a very good answer. I'm still none the wiser. It's important to me to know why it is offensive to say Pakki –with one K because I do not like to be dictated to and told what I can and cannot say without a reasonable explanation. Are Pakistanis a protected species? It's OK to call the Royal Family and Prince Harry names like: a moronic bully,Buckingham Palace Hillbillies,parasitical German family,plain thick etc etc
People are called shower of pr****, idiots, ar8sehole, etc etc etc on this forum regularly and that is acceptable yet you cannot say Pakki with one k! Weird!
I don't mind the name calling it's fun you just give as good as you get. Perhaps the Pakistani immigrants haven't got to grips with the sense of humour of the indigenous population an integration problem?
I just wonder if ‘Poles’ will be a banned word soon and if calling the Tartan Tat shops ‘taki’ will also be outlawed.
NB I hate being called ‘dear’ and not to keen on the phrase ‘there you go’
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Harry Hewitt should be court martialled like any other commoner would be. Does he also call Scots "kilt n**gers?" Disgraceful.
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St Caledonia,

11/01/2009 12:09:42
Firstly, it is not Harry's fault he was born into the royal family. Secondly, if the people of Britain really wanted the royal family out, they would be out. So effectively they exist because most probably want them.
Third, Harry used the word "pakki" so what? Is the word so bad? Is the word "chinky" so bad? Is the word "sweaty" for a Scot, so bad? Is the word "proddie barstrd" really that bad? Arw words really that bad, or are we just mislead by media frenzies?
Surely those being slaughtered in Gaza is more serious, surely the thousands dying in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq are more important than some word. But no, as usual a nonsense story about a silly moment caught on film must be blown out of all proportion because some minority groups cannot laugh at themselves and because some majority groups feel they need to offer over the top patronisation and false support.
This entire story is the kind of thing that exposes some humans for the pathetic idiots they are - we cannot distinguish between a silly comment and a real crisis - Death of children in Iraq, Saudi and Gaza is a crisis. Harry and the "pakki" word are nothing
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Allan(handofgod137),

11/01/2009 12:15:08
Another non story which has the usual slavering leftist rabble jumping on the condemnation bandwagon.
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P Rayner.,

Latin America 11/01/2009 12:15:58
What a story about nothing . So what if an offensive remark is made ? Who cares whether feelings might be hurt ? What is sinister is the stampede , supported by a nation ever weaker and cowardly , to prevent free speech . Liberty is a precious commodity which we are fast losing against an onslaught from those , hating themselves and others , wishing to impose tyranny .
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St Caledonia,

11/01/2009 12:24:30
And another thing - ask yourself the following!
For two weeks, this newspaper has banned all comments on the crisis in Gaza, because they need to avoid any possible anti Israeli comments - the entire world's media is afraid of being accused of offering a platform for anti semetic comment.
Yet, when it comes to "pakki" comments it's fine - I wonder if this thread would be open for comment if Harry had used anti Jewish terminology?
As usual and as I have tried to explain above, the media create crisis stories about nonsense and allow us to comment, but then deny us the opportunity to comment on the REAL CRISIS events going on in the world.
Israel is in breach of more UN security council rules and regulations she should be invaded, but no, it's all good, lets protect Israel and let us not hurt her feelings - YET now they act as if feelings can be hurt by the word "pakki"
what a joke
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VERITAS . Why is it wrong to be racist ?
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jkr,

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What a fuss about nothing that happened 3 years ago. Presumably we can't say 'Brits' now!! Just heard Nick Clegg, leader of the Lib-Dems, sorry, the Liberal Democrats, spouting off about it on the radio. It was pathetic.
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11/01/2009 12:30:19
All very tedious but it suggests that he's young, in the army, likes taking the piss, and probably isn't very bright. Where's the news in that? No surprise to discover he isn't the perfect PR role model, but this happened two years ago. Anyway, perhaps he's wiser now...
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 12:32:31
183 It's all part of the same thing. Can't you see that ?
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St Caledonia,

11/01/2009 12:36:51
DECENT PEOPLE against racism - hahahahahaha!
Who actually knows what racism is?
Is it racist for a Pakistani father to WANT, WISH, WILL, DEMAND that his daughter NEVER marry a "whitey"?

Or is it simply nature that forces him and billions of others to marry their own, live in communities with their own and nurture their own?

People say things, we all do it - I remember a wee boy at school who wore thick glasses and we called him "specky" - I had a different accent to all the other kids when I first left Scotland for the states, I got teased rotten, the same happened when that same accent was heard in South African schools, it happened again when I went to school in Australia, but words are words and thats all they are - I have been called a "sweaty" by so many people around the word, because that is what people call us, "sweaty socks" scots - I laugh, because laughing at yourself is important. I have heard millions of "tight scots" jokes and I laugh because the reality is different. The Irish are the brunt of the "stupid" jokes, we paddy is always the one who gets it wrong - THAT IS NOT RACISM, but it would be if paddy or sweaty scot was a "pakki" - so here is the thing, if you find it racist it is because you mean to be racist, where as others are oblivious to it because our minds dont operate in the sick manner that yours does.
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Latin America . 11/01/2009 12:38:44
VERITAS. You suggested racism was wrong and so I asked you why you felt so . If I wanted to ask google or father Christmas I would do so . Do you know why you made the observation ?
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Minty's Last Stand,

11/01/2009 12:40:30
The army has spent tens of millions of taxpayers' money over the years promoting the idea that a military career is a good option worth considering.

They have gone to great lengths (at our expense) to persuade potential recruits that joining the army doesn't mean a life spent in fear of bullying , sexism and racism.

This young man Ahmed's parents probably dreaded the day when their pride and joy told them he was off to iraq or Afghanistan. They wouldn't be able to pull any strings to get him out of it.

And for them to hear that their brave young son was described as 'our little p.@ki friend' by some toffy nosed twit who, despite every possible advantage in life, couldn't scrape together enough A levels to study Botany at Exeter University must fill them with rage.

OFF WITH HIS HEAD !

Let's just hope that she turns out to be Queen Elizabeth the last.
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#167, you are trawling now, racist because you want it to be
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Mobat,

11/01/2009 12:50:36
201 to keep the PC brigade happy
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VERITAS . It is extremely doubtful that I need from such as you the services you mentioned . Never the less , since you have chosen on a number of occasions on these pages to voice your opinions it is strange that you should refer to another source for an explanation of your opinions . It is a simple enough question . Why do YOU think racismtobe wrong ?
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If taking exception to some knucklehead born with a silver spoon in his mouth belittling someone on account of their race renders one PC, then, include me, and include all other decent people.
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#196 P Raymer

Much as I disgree with your premise, I wouldn't advise getting into any sort of debate with Veritas. He appears to be afflicted by some sort of Tourettes. He makes statements that he doesn't appear to remember making, makes sweeping statements he doesn't feel the need to justify or explain. He's just right, so there.
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Tris,

11/01/2009 12:56:44

As royals go, he's not a bad lad. It's not his fault he was born into that most awful of families.

All the upper classes are racist. They think that to be English is god's gift. I shouldn't think for a minute that Harry is any different. He's been surrounded by these idiots all his life. Eton and Sandhurst and all. That's how thay are. Why is everyone so shocked?

Oh ... and note to editor... Ed Stourton is still a presenter on the Today Programme. I'm surprised you don't know that.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

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No, you're a pompous tw*t.
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MINTS . He can´t call someone a P''' but you and allother decent people , can call him knucklehead . Are your values a bit confused ?
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204, your assumption he was belittling..........I wonder what your definition of decent people is, in view most of your post was insulting to Harry??!!

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That's why I'm such an admirer of Cherie Blair...she saw them for what they are and made no bones about it.

They absolutely detested her and every little right wing scribe in the country couldn't wait to villify her in print.

Cherie was eye ball to eye ball with the royals, and they loathed having her around.
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DRACO . Seriously I thought Veritas was female . Possibly wouldn´t have bothered had I known .By the way what premise of mine were you unable to agree with ?
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W U Merchant,

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No problem at all.
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#214 P Rayner

That you think there may be any debate possible that could conclude anything other than racism being wrong.
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218 What is that meant to mean ? Racists come in all shapes and sizes, unfortunately, there are just as many unionist dimwits as nationalist ones.
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You harbour a sorry wee grievance about a matter of no consequence that's making you bitter and sad. Do lighten up, there's a good chap.
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Sumlogic,

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Once again we find the use of language in question!

Is it racist is it not racist? Maybe its racist only if you 'interpret' it that way and interpretation is up to you. Yes even though government and media want you to believe otherwise you can control your own ideas and beliefs.

I would imagine the Arabs, Pakistanis, English, Scots, Welsh or whatever in the world right now would be more troubled with the massive financial problems looming and worse the continued insane death and destruction over in Gaza / Israel and else where!

Once again the issue of 'CONTEXT' and 'INTENT' need to be pondered before issuing cries of racism!

Was the 'intent' behind the use of a word, within the 'context' that it was used, designed to inflame or in some way demean or insult?

Words are benign; it’s their use within 'context' and the 'intent' behind their use that really matter!

I personally know people who refer to themselves as P a k i’s and think nothing of it, for them it’s no different than being labelled a Jock, or an Aussie or a Yank. (I note that the word filter wont allow me to use that word even in the context of this debate)

The PC brigade have nothing better to do that argue about silly semantics...stirring trouble and trying to control thought by controlling the words that we 'should' or should not use. I say USE all the words, and use them as much as you can, and maybe, just maybe some folk will actually start thinking for themselves instead of jumping on the bandwagon of a pc brigade with vested interests that are rarely openly stated!

For goodness sake don’t listen to them and think for yourself, go and buy the books Language in thought and action or Science and Sanity!

In an age where bombs, bullets and high explosives are literally tearing people and their lives apart every day, the reawakening in people of old adage of ‘Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never harm me’ could never be more needed!
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VERITAS . I think any continuation with you would prove fruitless .
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Again, no problem. I'm saving you a fortune in therapy fees. Just accept who and what you are and be PROUD.
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santa cova,

London 11/01/2009 13:19:17
This type of behaviour is typical of these royal scroungers and their lickspittal loyalist followers.

This abnoxious prince grew up surrounded by the trappings of a sectarian monarchy,how could he possibly know any better.

The time is well overdue for these royal spoungers to be given the RED card by the long suffering British taxpayer.
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 13:20:28
227 Stop apologising for him. The word pak.i is universally acknowledged to be a derogatory term for people of Pakistani origin, even if they are born here. No ifs or buts. And to use the word ''raghead'' to describe an Arab is also offensive - and the context is that Harry is serving in an Army which has invaded two muslim countries for no good reason that I can see. So to go about making derogatory remarks about muslims when you are second in line to the British throne is stupidity personified. Al Quida will be laughing their heads off at this one, they couldn't make this up.
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P Rayner.,

Latin America . 11/01/2009 13:24:23
DRACO 221 . I think you may have misread my posts . I merely posed the question of why racism was wrong . I may or may not have attempted debate at a later point but your view is based on nothing but speculation . Or do you suspect thought crime ?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 13:27:43
# 233 Veritas

You're making gender assumptions there. Some may take offence. It's a minefield on here.
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Minty's Last Stand,

11/01/2009 13:29:08
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And off-course, other british citizens off pakistani/indian/non-white background will be much encouraged to join the army and lay down their lives for a nation whose 3rd in line to the throne sees them as his 'little p.@ki friends'.
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 13:30:17
235 Exactly, this will be used as a symbol of Western contempt for the muslim world, and will help to feed the resentment that already exists. How he was allowed by his minders to do such an incredibly stupid thing defies belief. Even if he doesn't understand the symbolc role he has, his minders should. No wonder the Army are horrified, this is the last thing they need. It's hardly going to help win ''the battle for hearts and minds'' is it.
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Edinburgh 11/01/2009 13:30:45
#234 P Rayner

As Veritas, God bless his arrogant little socks, says, some things are beyond debate and therefore a waste of time.
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Minty's Last Stand,

11/01/2009 13:34:04
The best thing the guy could do is quit the forces - he's a chocolate soldier anyway - and go out and get a job...with the right training and proper support, I believe that he could be taught to flip burgers.
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AJ Fife,

11/01/2009 13:35:28
The 'Father Dougal' of the Royal Household should be excused for such unfortunate and untimely bloopers.

His role models - Phil the Greek, CBL and Fergie - have sent the ginger prince on a particularly unfortunate road.
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Latin America . 11/01/2009 13:37:19
VERITAS . You have an inflated sense of your importance . There are few who´ve contributed less than you . Interesting to me is your frequent use of the word appetite .
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Sumlogic,

Universe 11/01/2009 13:38:04
231 Observer, I cannot see any where in my text that I apologised for anyone? 'Putting words in my mouth'?


232 Veritas_

"Words ARE important, especially when they are uttered"?

Yes and so is the proper interpretation based on a 'full' understanding of the 'context' and 'intent'. From the video clips we have seen no one unless stupid or delusional can honestly say they 'KNOW' what that was!

More likely they fill in the gaps in their knowledge with their own prejudices such as some of the anti royal comments above. Many people have axes to grind and will happily fill in such gaps to twist situations to suit their own agenda!

I certainly cant and won’t imagine that I do (I was not there with him at the time), hence the start of my comment was "Is it racist is it not racist?"

There seem to be many out there who offer their opinion based on emotional reasoning and overgeneralization...

On that note I suggest EVERYONE in the world, especially in areas of conflict read and understand Dr David burns work on Cognitive Distortion and specifically the list of the ten most common.

Labelling, Overgeneralization, magical thinking, all or nothing thinking, mental filter etc

All the best! I’m away to call my friend from mars a Martian, up there its really hated and described as derogatory by one half of the the planet and on the other its seen as a compliment...go figure!



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St Caledonia,

11/01/2009 13:39:42
Yet still, no matter what we say or what we think, the reality is that we are permitted to comment on a story about a young man making an apparently "racist" comment - but we are banned from commenting on the deaths of thousands in Gaza.
Go figure
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santa cova,

London 11/01/2009 13:40:42
Mount Battenburg/Saxe Coburg Gothas.
This mob are commonly known to you and I as "The Windsors". Imposters,one and all. Away with them!
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Martyk,

11/01/2009 13:42:20
Wasnt Jade Goody slung off Big Brother for less? What an unpleasant little parasite he really is.
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Latin America . 11/01/2009 13:42:50
DRACO . Please , how can anything be beyond debate ? Are you seriously suggesting that because something is stated as truth it is ?
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 13:43:30
248 Your whole post was saying that something is only racist in a certain context and with a certain intent. That doesn't wash with me, and sounds like an apology for unacceptable use of a racist term.

It is the person who is called a pak.i who decides if it is offensive or not, and pakistanis have said that it is. So intent be damned it's not a word that anyone should use.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 13:47:01
#245 Veritas

Not at all, Domine VOBIScum.
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

11/01/2009 13:50:55
Fact is, the lad is a royal...watched like a hawk and every word pounced upon...try imagine being a British Asian and hearing your prince refer to you as a "Pàki"...even if you were born in the UK, cos thats exactly what he is doing. The origins of the word "Pàki" are offensive and debase people...Harry's words only serve to strengthen the worlds impression that our Royals are aristocratic racially offensive twits and inbreds that cannot haud their wheesht to protect the illusion of "Royalty"...there is a world outside tha army and by filming himself and opening his gob he exposed himself to the real world...silly silly boy...These films always come back to haunt you...look at aw they folk on the internet noo...great careers cos they goat the clobber aff!...mibbe he'll end up marrying Paris Hilton and she'll be oor nixt Queen...the ither wan will abdicate cos he runs aff wae Elton John....
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St Caledonia,

11/01/2009 13:51:34
Observer -

I guess words can be important, but they generally only cause real offense when they are either close to the truth or when they fall on the ears of people who cannot laugh at themselves.
What if there was a "white music awards"? would that be racist?
What if I said, white people are responsible for the invention of the car, electricity and the computer? Would that be the truth or racist speech?
What if I said that black were people were not responsible for those inventions? Would that be the truth or racist commentary?
What if we said that Scots were tight? Is that racist, or a simple jibe to be laughed at?
What if we said that most suicide bombers are muslim? Is that the truth or racism?
What if we all learned to laugh at ourselves, what if we all put things into context and noticed that there is a lot more important things in this world than a silly wee comment about race?
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Minty's Last Stand,

11/01/2009 13:52:25
If any other british army officer had done this , he'd have been out on his €rse.

If any other british army officer was part of a unit being sent into a combat zone, he'd be going....apart from his big bruvver off-course.

It's just the same old same old from the britsh establishment.
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Edinburgh 11/01/2009 13:52:44
#253 P Rayner

There's a phrase in the American Declaration of Independence, I think it is, that says they hold some truths to be self-evident. I would suggest that one such truth is that no race is inherently superior or better than another and to suggest otherwise is a waste of debate.
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11/01/2009 13:53:19
254 Observer

"and Pakistanis have said that it is."

Really, ALL of them EVERYWHERE? When did you take the poll and have you published the results for peer review?

I doubt that very seriously!

Words do not 'mean' anything in and of themselves, the meaning comes from the use of the word, the context and the intent behind the use, also the date it happens to be used at as the collective general idea of the words meaning/s changes over time, hence dictionaries keep being updated.

Maybe for some it’s just too much work to try and ponder context and its easier to simply fill in the gap with your own prejudice, anti royal, anti rich, don’t like the wars or whatever it may be.

Or worse let the editor (whoever they are or are affilitaed to) of a news paper tell you what to think!

255 Veritas_

'Any damage' will be done by the media and how they report their own bias to the people who take whats written in the media as gospel!

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P Rayner.,

Latin America . 11/01/2009 13:54:46
VERITAS . No , not really . Just a forlorn hope for a little coherence .
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P Rayner.,

Latin America . 11/01/2009 13:56:17
VERITAS . No it doesn´t and neither does the comment come from conflict in Ireland .
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 13:58:38
259 Racism causes disadvantage to other people. It's not theoretical or funny if you are on the receiving end of it. Racism is harmful and a poisonous influence on society and if left unchecked can lead to genocide. By defining a person as a pak/i you are saying they are not the same as you, that they are ''other''. When you are third in line to the throne and a representative of the British state then words are important.
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St Caledonia,

11/01/2009 14:01:14
Horrible Cankers

Truth is, Harry cannot upset Pakistani people by uttering those words because he is NOT their Prince - you know their prince is religion, their Iman is more important than Harry, their Qaran is more important than Harry, their veil is more important than Harry - the words he used may be taken seriously by some Pakistani people who actually get offended by such words, but that might be more their sensitivity as opposed to Harry's comments.
I am a "sweaty scot" who is "tight" according to a lot of people and their jokes - and you know what, I actually dont care, I just laugh.
My mate Sean is a "silly Irish eejit" or at least according to the Irish jokes we hear he must be, but he doesnt care because it's just a joke, or it's just a stereotype.
I have been called a "proddie barstrd" for wearing a lambretta top that had the St Georges cross on it.. so what? Did I take offence? No of course not.
There are far more serious things in the world to worry about.
Like maybe getting to comment on Gaza as opposed to Harry.
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glasgow 11/01/2009 14:01:19
Err,...I take offence when muslim clerics demand that westerners be beheaded just for being westerners. - Anyone like to make a fuss about that? -I,m no royalist, and certainly not racist, but for God's sake get a bloody grip PC brigade!
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The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 14:01:34
Mr Harry Hewitt's step-grandad calls Chinese people "yellow slitty eyes" and Hewitt Jnr now calls Pakistanis "p*kis" and arabs "ragheads". Well in the spirit of insulting other people I would like to call the royal family a bunch of toffee nosed parasites who don't even have the common courtesy to respect the British taxpayers' hand that feeds them
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 14:02:10
265 If it is not an offensive word then why are we not allowed to post it ? Get real.
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 14:03:49
260/262 did you post that as a joke ?
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St Caledonia,

11/01/2009 14:07:22
Observer

I see what you are saying, but unfortunately we are different.
Trying to lump all of mankind into one basket and pretend we are the same is naive and totally stupid.
We are not the same, muslim people and white people are completely different. Black people and Oriental people are nowhere near the same. Germans and Brits are not the same - horses and Zebras are not the same, Lions and Leopards are not the same - sure certain characteristics may be the same, but there are vast differences, which is why such comments arise to begin with.
What if the Pakistani soldier had called Harry, "a whitey" would there be such an uproar? You know there would'nt, because why? Because there is no consistency when it comes to racist speech - if directed at whites it usually goes unoticed, no matter where in the world. The other way around is not the same, so perhaps therein lies another problem.
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Martyk,

11/01/2009 14:07:45
Harry Hewitt is one obnoxious little so and so. I recall him attacking paparazi a while back. But only when his minders were within 3 feet. Scum. Utter parasitic scum so he is.
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 14:07:59
262 Al Quida and their off-shoots are terrorist organisations. They are not countries. Iraq is a country, Afghanistan is a country, we have caused more death to these people than al Quida have ever caused to the West. And we are a state. Your post demonises all muslims as if they are all terrorists. That is a form of racism too, and it is wrong. Remember - we have killed a lot more of ''them'' than they have ''us''.
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santa cova,

11/01/2009 14:08:32
Jolly good show old chum! We really know how to treat these bounders,What! One must not let these bounders get one down,what! Horrible little basteds I would say,what! Well, I am off to the K-club for drinkies.
Tooraloo old chappies!
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MoiraMac,

11/01/2009 14:12:41
Tooraloo Santa Cova any chance you could take veritas with you for drinkiepoos? You know what they say 'In vino Veritas' A wee bottle of red might help Veritas to come up with some answers.

Tooraloo you two!
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 14:13:19
279 ''muslim people and white people are not the same''. What about white muslims then ? Or do they not exist in your world ? You also ignore the fact that Harry, as a Royal Prince of the blood and third in line to the throne, has a lot more advantage in life than the ''pak.i'' he was insulting. Racism usually works like that, it is unusual for the victims of racism to have as much power as the racists. That is what it is ultimately about, power.
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Glasgow 11/01/2009 14:17:14
284 It is quite scary how much of this thinking you encounter on these threads. I can only hope it isn't typical of the wider population. I think a lot of it is born of ignorance, I doubt very much whether any of them actually know any muslims.
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#287 Of course you know why "pa*ki" is offensive - for the same reason "raghead" is offensive - for the same reason "mud face" is offensive - for the same reason "kilt nig*er" is offensive. They are labels specifically meant to demean and degrade the recipent as somehow a lesser humnan being.
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11/01/2009 14:21:48
Am really sorry for putting a 5.56mm round through your head I hope it didn't hurt too much.
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Poland 11/01/2009 14:24:57
What annoys me is that these pieces of folm or photos are taken from events which were not public or for public presentation.

Having been in the army i know it is normal, common and to some extent, accepted for fellow soldiers to make jokes and use terminology which would not be acceptable outside. I've heard good friends refer to each other as fen1an, prod-b@st@rd and worse. These men would also trust the other with watching their backs in a war zone.
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TREV,

Poland 11/01/2009 14:27:12
ANYWAY, who are the news of the World (Sun on Sunday) to pretend outrage? Aren't they the ones who use 'frog' and 'kraut' in headlines when they refer to French and Germans?
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Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca' 11/01/2009 14:27:14
#62 Martin_edinburgh,Edinburgh.
My Father was in the Black Watch for 27-years and shortly after WW-1 was in India for 9-years as often was the case when he and his pals went into town the 'locals' would call them "Scotty Girls" because of their kilts, no offense was taken and everyone laughed.
#66-Veritas_. Harry is in the Army and speaks as other soldiers speak. The only ones complaining are those who obviously know nothing of Army life.
I've often heard remarks made by 'Brits' who want the Royals to speak like other 'Brits' and when they do they get hell for doing so.There's no pleasing some folks.
Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

11/01/2009 14:31:32
272....Yes and young Harry made damn sure they do not recognise him as their prince now eh?...is it any fécking surprise they look to their own cultural leaders when the elite of the establishment is conforming to stereotype??...if he put down the banjo for a minute and read some advice on cultural sensitivity the lad might just learn something...and thats not 'The young royal idiot's guide to making grandpops happy'

Perhaps you and your mate might be offended if the young royal were cracking jokes about Scots or the Irish....perhaps not...there are far more important things in the world, however, saying that...the Royal family are paid huge wads of cash to keep their opinionated and priviliged gobs shut...particularly during sensitive times such as these...If this were the height of the Irish troubles I doubt very much if we would brush off Harry's cracks at the Irish......its not just PC...its common féckin sense....

Thats army life for you...he however...presented his royal numptiness to the world on film....not very intelligent...has the lad no brain?...did he not realise the stramash he would create?..or does he secretly want to bring the Royals down himself?
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# 158 Veritas. I must say, I tend to agree with you. Having lived under corrupt republican regimes most of my life, I'm no great republican, however if a constitutional monarchy is going to survive in Scotland, it will have to be very different from this one. My family, the Mackinnons of Kyle, claim descent from 15 European royal houses, and I can tell you there are Scottish families with a better claim to the Scottish Crown than the Germanic Windsors. While I personally admire the Queen, her family are shockers. Their German relatives during the War were card carrying Nazis (See Carl Eduard, Duke of Saxony-Coburg). The Duke of Windsor (King Edward VIII) himself openly sympathized with Adolf's regime. I also agree that the institution needs to be reformed to bring it in line with SCOTTISH aspirations, and go for the original dynastic-elective model of tanistry (now practised in Cambodia & Thailand)with a Scottish family at it's head. Scots also need to have the chance to vote on the republican/ nationalist-monarchy options. As for the land-owning aristocracy, some of them are as bad as the Nazis, evicting tenants in favour of hunting parties. As for Harry- he was irresponsible, but I'm sure most people in Britain had a good laugh- and probably sympathize. Incidentally- Harry and William belong to an exclusive mens club in London who call them "the Krauts"!
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11/01/2009 14:46:31
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Pretty sad that this latest example of pc obsession gets national headlines in at least two of our national newspapers. We do after all belong to the human race and how many of these self righteous journalists could say that they have never done something similar at some time in their lives. Precious few if any I think!

We Scots have been
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 15:01:14
The thing is Harry Hewitt hasn't done this once - he does it over and over again; dressing up as a Nazi to a Windsor fancy dress party, swearing, lying drunk in the gutter outside nightclubs, taking punches at photographers (outside night clubs – when his security guards are close enough to protect him), abusing his position by making boozy advances at women in nightclubs, swearing, ranting, showing utterly no common decency or respect for other people in any way whatsoever and now using racist jibes at Pakistanis and Arabs.

The man has shown what he is: A racist, sexist loud mouthed bully-boy and bigot and if that is how the British army wants to look like to the rest of us then I really pity it.

I want Harry DNA tested against Major Hewitt and Prince Charles and then he can be booted out of his life of tax-payer funded luxury and go and find a real job in the real world as the loutish mediocrity that he has shown us he really is.
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Andra, Dundee,

11/01/2009 15:27:36
#302 Veritas
You are a racist!
Why do the royal family need to be English? You are stuck in a by gone age.
The Queen is half Scottish - so what is the relevance of your comment. It seems to me that your only interest is stirring up racism, hatred, division. Despicable people like you need to grow up.
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11/01/2009 15:30:38
#301 It's life but not as we know it
So if it was discovered that you were not your fathers son then would you expect to me disowned by your family?
I think people with your lack of respect need to get a life.
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Draco is a Wimp..wrote

. She wouldn't have treated any telephone operator like scum. Firstly, I doubt she ever talked to a telephone operator, she had a flunkey to do it for her and secondly, Buckingham Palace had and has a seperate switchboard.

All royal resididencies have/had a switchboard of one type or another - connected to the local telephone exchange (LTE) A Yeoman job was to connect Royal calls to the LTE, these calls came up on the 999 board,
a sirene would sound and a red light would flash.
Note this was in the days before trunk calls, when everything was routed through the LTE.

Normally 1 or 2 operators would further on calls made by royals to wherever.. A 'Scrambler' would be used to ensure confidentiallity - however, on more than one occassion in the LTE where I worked - the scrambler was not initiated.. and the call/s had to be monitored
manually at various stages in its duration - to ensure the connection was still intact.

Due to signing the 'Secrets Act' I cannot recount here
what the Operators heard.
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Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 15:34:22

This link was sent to me by an English couple.

http://www.throneout.com/
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Andra, Dundee,

11/01/2009 15:35:43
#295 Dubhglas,
If you did this much research into your own family, how many card carrying nazis would you find? I when you find them should you be banned from any claim to Scottish ancestry? In fact - tell us about the racists in your family, and the murderers, and those who made their money in the slave trade, and those who are currently responsible for cutting down the rain forests.
I think you need to take a hard look at your own house before going back generations to smear the Royals.
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Andra, Dundee,

11/01/2009 15:38:11
#306 Veritas
Is "Engerlish" a racist term?
I suspect it is - shame on you.
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MoiraMac,

11/01/2009 15:40:02

#287 They are labels specifically meant to demean and degrade the recipient as somehow a lesser human being.

Most insults would come into this category. Does this mean we need laws to prevent us from insulting one another? I think 'silly b*tch' should be up there with Pakki and you would probably have to close down forums like this.

I find any nation, culture, religion, who discrimenate against women to be very hard to accept, does this make me a racist? If so that's fine I am racist. People coming from a country where the ultimate insult is to call someone 'the father of daughters' risk being called a lot worse by me than Pakki, which no matter what you say is an abbreviation of their nationality and I fail to see how that can be offensive.
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The delicious irony in all of this has been lost on many.

Harry is himself an ARAB!!

An Arrogant Regular Army B*stard!
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Andra, Dundee,

11/01/2009 15:40:48
#310 Veritas,
My point is that his "truths" are irrelevant to anybody except those who in the business of hatred, racism, division. Obviosuly they mare of interest to you since that is your business.
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Minty's Last Stand,

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It would be a matter for his family whether or not to disown him....it would be callous and cold hearted in the extreme ...Tsar Nicholas II and the Romanovs were well aquainted with just how loving and supportive the british royal family can be when you're down on your luck.

If however he is not the issue of charlie boy, then he is not entitled to be in line for the throne nor is he entitled to a place on the civil list.

There clearly is a doubt as regards who his natural father is and so far as DNA testing is concerned the british establishment just don't wanna go there.

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The Oort Clods 11/01/2009 15:44:09
#304 If I was a sponging pretend royal parasite who was subsequently proved to be un-entitled to tax-payer "civil list" funds then yes I would expect to be thrown out.

The people have a right to know who's son we are paying for.
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Prince Harry must be very careful. If next time he calls a Scottish fellow soldier a "Scottie" he will be in serious trouble!
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11/01/2009 15:45:03
#312 JayDeeTee
Her mother was Scottish.
I've not studdied how Scottish exactly - but her brothers faught and died with the Black Watch in WW1 - and that make the family as Scottish as you can get as far as I'm concerned.
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11/01/2009 15:46:09
It appears that my comment on Roseblue at no. was removed presumably at the behest of the slavering Roseblue.

I cannnot resurrect it by way of the RSS feed.

Can anyone do it for me, Observor?

Roseblue = Kimba = Boudica (probably) and post slaver crusted rants against Scotland, Scottish People and anyone that take her fancy.

She is a racist English nationalist and is possibly even deranged so this post will join the other one thanks to he censorious repression of anyone who take issue with he narrow minded bigotry.

Bog off missus!

Faux Cul! and Faux Cough!
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Faux Cul,

11/01/2009 15:48:02
#317
Veritas_,
11/01/2009 15:41:02

Very doubtful that one, was it at Nardini's.

Doesn't count as that would make her Italian.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 15:50:46
RSS feed won't display Faux.

319/320 You're both right. These people are paid a godamned fortune to be the Royal Family, the least they can do is be Royal. They don't seem able to manage the family bit either, right enough.

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Minty's Last Stand,

11/01/2009 15:50:47
It wouldn't be so bad if Ahmed was entitled to be as obnoxious to him in reply.

"Ah ...there's our little p.@ki friend Ahmed ."

"Ah ...and there's our chocolate soldier toffee-nosed twit who couldn't get into university."

Only thing is, an apology wouldn't be enough for poor old Ahmed ...6 months in a military prison and a dishonourable discharge.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 15:50:58
#314 The difference is that people can choose to be "bitches", "sexists", "muslims", "Christians" etc. They cannot choose to be black, white, Asian, Jewish or crippled etc. So when you specifically target the things they have no choice over just to highlight what you perceive as their inferiority to yourself that makes you (or anyone else) a bad person.
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Faux Cul,

11/01/2009 15:51:34
Sorry that would comment 109 wot woz deleted!
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Dunnie,

Canada 11/01/2009 15:52:02
324 - surely, your moniker must "Faux Call"?
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Faux Cul,

11/01/2009 15:55:14
333
Veritas_,
11/01/2009 15:52:51

Well, Fife is a Kingdom.

So she would be "Queenish" of temporary fixed Mobile Homes
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Minty's Last Stand,

11/01/2009 15:57:42
Let's clone Cromwell's DNA , bring the rancid old b@gger back to life, but this time, let's finish them off for good.
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The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 15:57:49
#334 We don't even want to go into Queen Mother territory. If ever there was an obnoxious toffee-nosed horrible woman who took delight in humiliating servants and others she perceived as lower than herself - well she personified it.
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Faux Cul,

11/01/2009 15:57:52
#332
Dunnie,
Canada 11/01/2009 15:52:02

No, not Faux Call

Just, Faux Call The Royals

Enjoy yer Sunnie Dunnie
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Dunnie,

Canada 11/01/2009 15:59:35
326 - Jay-Ded

Perhaps both of you are ill-educated.

The Queen Mum, and by extension, her daughter, can legitimately claim to have Scottish bloodlines and far more extensively than a millioneth.

By your genetic coding, Bonnie Prince Charlie would today be considered an Italian with no fixed address.
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Faux Cul,

11/01/2009 15:59:36
Anyway, who does he take after; his Daddy and who would that be?
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Andra, Dundee,

11/01/2009 15:59:50
#326 JayDeeTee
Place of birth is not the only factor deciding nationality. In fact the whole concept of nationality is what causes many of the worlds problems. My wife was born in Canada to Scottish parents and lived there for a few years - so is she Canadian or Scottish? Our children can claim to be Canadian but have never been there.
Your problem is that you are trying to designate people based on your values - this is racism in my book.
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Faux Cul,

11/01/2009 16:01:13
Dunnie

By your genetic coding, Bonnie Prince Charlie would today be considered an Italian with no fixed address.

Manys a true word spoken in jest.
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Dunnie,

Canada 11/01/2009 16:02:36

339 - Seriously consider a trip to Denmark. Danish surgical skills could cause you to change your name from Rufus to Stuffus!!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 16:04:28
345 They are aristocrats. They don't have a nationality like you or I do. They are the privileged elite and as such we should be able to expect some decorum from them, it's what they are paid for.
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Dunnie,

Canada 11/01/2009 16:04:30

346 - LOL!!
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Faux Cul,

11/01/2009 16:04:31
#339

That Rufus is a fakie
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Dunnie,

Canada 11/01/2009 16:06:40

348 - good point. However, once and awhile a stray jumps over the Privileged Privet and disrupts the expected order and harmony. Most unsettling.
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Andra, Dundee,

11/01/2009 16:06:57
Someone is trying to impersonate Rufus T. Firefly.
Probably in order to degrade him in some non-pc way.
Shame on you.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 16:10:08
Rufuses fake is wasting his time, Rufus can degrade himself. I wish the fakes would stop it they are just boring.

351 Aye it is unsettling if you are one of the mugs who are paying for this privileged youth to behave like a pig-ignorant buffoon.
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MoiraMac,

11/01/2009 16:13:09
#330
Now I'm confused! You can choose to be muslim but you can't choose to be Jewish! I noticed you missed women and old off your list.

HEADLINE: Forum member 'It's life but not as we know it' insults Jews, Senior Citizens and Women. He must be a bad person.

Naughty Boy! Don't worry I'm a bad person too and I've decided that I am definitely Racist. So Pakki, Pakki, Pakki, Pakki, Pakki.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 16:21:16
359 No you can't ''choose'' to be Jewish. That's why so many of them died in the gas chambers, it wasn't by choice. They were defined by other people as being lesser beings and therefore expendable. That is ultimately where racism can lead you.
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Geoff,

sa 11/01/2009 16:24:15
JayDeeTee-with respect,Alex salmond is appealing to the "Scottish Diaspora" to renew and reaffirm the link with their "Motherland"-this includes a vast majority not born in scotland but whom maintain a strong pride and connection with their roots. The Queen mum was born of Scottish nobility, spent much of her life in scotland and her second daughter Margaret was born in Scotland. The ethnic-cultural link defines "Scottishness" as much as being born in scotland .The Queen Ma was more Scots than the Spanish American Aemon Da Valera was Irish if you wish to argue the point. In reality,nationality is largely of the heart. We are all one, members of the species H0m* sapiens-nationality based on birth or ethnicity is a man made identity.
The SNP speak of "Civic nationalism" I think-an all embracing term that as i understand it,is broadly inclusive.
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Geoff,

sa 11/01/2009 16:29:13
On the subject,mixed feelings-he is a typical youngster whose mouth often shoots off before his brain engages, but he needs to understand that as second son of the future King,his every move and word will be closel scrutinised but "les autres"need to lighten up-I have never seen a crowd of hysterical Brits burning the PAKIstani flag in trafalgar Square!
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The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 16:30:11
#359 your ignorance is rather endearing. Jews are part of a recognised race. People are born as Jews - like you maybe be born black. You have no choice in the matter. Nobody is born a Christian or a Muslim. Those are life choices and just religions or superstitions.

Don't believe me? Go wiki it. I've wasted enough time on you already.
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Sumlogic,

11/01/2009 16:31:35
275 Observer

"if it is not an offensive word then why are we not allowed to post it ? Get real. "

are you SERIOUS?

You take the programming of the Scotsmans blog filter as evidence of whether a word is racist?

LOL

Its that kind of 'NON THINKING' that has the world in toruble.

The filter wont accept the word P E N I S either, I suppose thats a bad word!

When will people finally realise that 'this is all make believe', there are no good or bad words, maybe a poor use of words at times.

Certain people, groups, a minority who have various axes to grind simply bring this up to suit their own agenda! The same people who cant live and let live? they want to control you and tell you what to say, what to wear, where and how to live!


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Sumlogic,

11/01/2009 16:35:31
Many of them also belong to selective clubs with rules and traditions, usually referred to as religions, more 'make believe'!

Then those clubs gather their people and try and force their will and ideas on others, sometimes causing war and all sorts of suffering and its all because they have different thoughts in their head, a different mental meta universe....

Its all make believe! Do yourself a favour and question everything!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 16:37:04
366 ''Certain people, groups, a minority who have various axes to grind simply bring this up to suit their own agenda''

Thus spoke the white male. Go on - you are a white male aren't you ? It's always people who don't form a minority group who never think there's a problem.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 16:41:47
369 We need to live and let live, and that includes allowing other people to follow their gods if they want to, as long as it doesn't impinge on the rest of us.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 16:50:59
#371 Well said. I'm from one of the smallest ethnic groups in the world and if Harry Hewitt (or anyone else) had used language like that against me (bearing in mind that his Pakistani colleague - whom he racially abused - not only served in a war zone with distinction but also picked up a top award for his service, unlike Harry) then I'd have been pretty non-plussed. It's a shame the Pakistani gentleman doesn't drag the runtish Harry through a full court martial - but I guess that, unlike Harry, the gentleman is a bigger and more mature human being and is willing to ignore such childish, imbecilic behaviour in others.

All Harry did in the war was a quick photo shoot (and you could see he barely even knows one end of a machine gun from the other) before going back to the booze and the London nightclubs.
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Martyk,

11/01/2009 16:58:06
How is the queen half scottish? You mean the queen mother ? Who was born in Bedfordshire in England and was paraded as a scot despite her Norman-French -German antecedents? Its morons like you who have ruined Scotland.
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The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 17:02:11
It's a fair comment that Harry should not be singled out for a DNA test of paternity and maternity so lets pass a law testing the whole lot and those not of royal bloodline can all be booted out equally. They want money for nothing; make them prove their right to it.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 17:03:23
377 Yes you can convert to Judaism, but that wasn't what I was meaning. What I meant is that being born a Jew can define you in the eyes of others, the same as being black can, and that can cause hostility to be directed towards you that you simply have no control over.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 17:06:45
378 Annoying you am I ? Good, now troll-features, your post at 375 was remarkably silly, even for you. No one wants any soldiers to die, so let's bring them home.
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The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 17:11:44
#381 It's hard explaining the difference to people between, say, Muslims, Christians and Jews isn't it? They simply don't understand that Jews are a race and - as you said - people are born into that race whether they like it or not - just as you can be born black.

Nobody is born Muslim or Christian - but they are often the victims of child abuse by parental acts forced upon babies and young children such as baptism.

Fortunately abused children can leave religions such as Islam and Christianity when they become adults. People born Jewish are always Jewish. People born black are always black. They can't opt out even if they want to.
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barrow5,

glasgow 11/01/2009 17:14:42
Alan B.Anyone with a brain knows that this word is NOT offensive, some do gooder has decided that it is.It has been & always will be a convenient abbreviation for a cumbersome word that doesn't trip easily from the tongue.Why then isn't Scot, Britt, Finn, Swede, Dane,Turk,Taffy,dutch etc, considered offensive.Wouldn't the P.C. brigade have field with that.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 17:16:27
383 That's exactly right. As we grow older we all have the choice of whether to believe in religion, what politics we believe in, what job to do, but you never have a choice about what race you are. That's why using someone's rce against them is so utterly stupid and cruel.
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The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 17:19:27
#384 Words are adopted by certain groups for certain reasons and then become widely known for that context; P*ki is usually used by the BNP and others with an expletive attached to it (usually an f word in front of it or a b word afterwards). So don't pretend that it's somehow the same as Scot or Finn.
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Mìcheal a Eilean Rùim,

Richmond 11/01/2009 17:21:33
I must say that all this self-righteousness reeks of hypocrisy. When I lived in Edinburgh, the word "Teuchter" was one I heard constantly, but no one ever apologized for using it as a nickname for me.
As for soldiers, all armies use dehumanizing names for the enemy - Kraut, Bosche, Bicot, Goddam, Redcoat, Raghead, Charlie - because it makes it easier to kill someone who is seen as non-human.
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Dunnie,

Canada 11/01/2009 17:24:51

387 - Hard to apologise when one might be correct?
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 17:32:54
The uncle of the chap Harry Hewitt racially abused just said on BBC News24 that he is "deeply offended" by Harry's comments and that he expected his family members would never use such "low language" as that about other people. He said the men were all fighting together and Harry should have shown some respect. Exactly right. But Harry has shown his true colours again. A little royal runt; we shall not forget.
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12XU,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 17:42:04
It's all about political correctness gone wrong, and in fact Prince Harry most certainly did not mean this in a racist manner. I have a Pakistani friend, who was telling me about a family party that she was having and she was describing the type of food she would be serving up...pakoras, samosas, bhajis, etc....and then she went on to say 'you know, typical p*ki food'....so even Pakistanis use the word themselves!! There are so many atrocities happening around the world, focus on some of them instead of blowing this out of proportion.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 17:46:20
#391 you really don't get much of anything do you?

It is okay for blacks to make jokes about themselves as "ni*gers" but not okay for whites to insult them using the same word. It is okay for Pakistanis to call themselves "pak*s". It's not okay to use these terms as terms of abuse and if you don't understand context within a language then may I humbly suggest you go and educate yourself in an evening class?
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 17:48:15
#391 again. Also, in what way was Harry Hewitt not using the word "raghead" in a racist context when he said to his colleague "you look like a f***king raghead"?!
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12XU,

11/01/2009 17:51:45
My friend is a lesbian, I 'jokingly' sometimes call her a dyke, she takes NO offence and NONE is intended?! So am I being offensive?
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 17:53:36
#394 Yes. And try adding Harry's "f**king" to the front of dyke and see how your friend feels then.
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12XU,

11/01/2009 17:54:43
#394 before you criticise my punctuation there is not meant to be a question mark after intended...
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12XU,

11/01/2009 17:56:37
#396 believe me, and you have to cos you don't know her or me, and you have to take my word for it..... she would laugh!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 18:01:48
397 Your missing the point. It's quite possible that your friend might not mind being called an effing dyke (funny friends you've got) but unless she is third in line to the throne and serving in an Army currently engaged in two invasive wars upon muslim countries, her little quirk isn't of any great importance is it ? Here we have a man who could be the future King calling people pak.i's and ragheads. It really isn't good enough, and I have no idea why anyone wants to defend him.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 18:02:31
Good for her for putting up with a sexist homophobic bigot. Not everyone finds such verbal attacks acceptable and for all you know she is the sad clown-style character that puts up a brave public face and then cries in private. But what would you care?
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12XU,

11/01/2009 18:05:53
#398
#399
It's the first time I've been on the comments page...and I find really it's a great way to wind people up!!!!

And for all those Hibs supporters.....

M'on the Hearts!!! No sunshine on Leith today for the Hibees!!!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 18:07:26
It's not civilised to walk around calling people derogatory names. It demeans them. It demeans all people of pakistani origin, the same as using the word dyke demeans all lesbians as well. It is always people who are not pakistani, or lesbian, or Jewish, or black, or disabled, and so on who say there is nothing wrong with using offensive words, and the recipients of them should just grin and bear it.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 18:08:50
#400 Great - another troll. I don't know what Hibs are but I am sure you'll enjoy breaking a glass bottle (in your mind) and going for the other side.
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12XU,

11/01/2009 18:18:43
#402 Spooky that you talking about broken glass....just been away doing my dishes and would you believe it....a glass broke in the hot water.

Don't worry though, I managed not to cut through a major artery, you'll be so pleased to hear :)
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12XU­,

11/01/2009 18:22:24
i suffer from the male syndrome

i have decided to stop any fat intake and replaced one of my meals (dinner) with salad only.

i shall try this no-fatty-food approach for at least a month to see what happens... quite obviously, ice-creams, chocolates, or anything remotely junk has also been done-away with...
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12XU­,

11/01/2009 18:23:23
Before you criticise my writing, I meant my swollen breasts

i suffer from the male breast syndrome

i have decided to stop any fat intake and replaced one of my meals (dinner) with salad only.

i shall try this no-fatty-food approach for at least a month to see what happens... quite obviously, ice-creams, chocolates, or anything remotely junk has also been done-away with
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

11/01/2009 18:23:41
404...Just what this site needs...its resident faeces obsessed troll...ah well...part of the fixtures now.....
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

11/01/2009 18:24:41
406...T'aint you that suffers mate...its the rest of the posters here on this forum...
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12XU­,

11/01/2009 18:26:04
408. 406...T'aint you that suffers mate...its the rest of the posters here on this forum...
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I don't care as long as I get attention
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Morry,

Scotland 11/01/2009 18:26:28
These lads, in the forces are just that, lads.
I think, where the palace has said there was no malice, they are probably right, he's made a few mistakes as he has grown up, who? hasn't.

He has apologised, the apology has been accepted by everyone but the media,
I say, these lads are under considerable strain all of the time, we can at least, give them a break when they have some time off to unwind,
a gaff perhaps, but its not that bad.

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Pilrig.,

Livingston 11/01/2009 18:36:19
Wonder what he did with his swastika armband ?
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 18:47:48
#416 It'll be on ebay soon enough when he's booted off the civil list.
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­­Rufus-T-Firefly­,

11/01/2009 18:51:05
I really don't know if this is where I should be my...anyway, my boyfriend of four years informed me that evertime we have intercourse intercourse he gets this fungus on his todger

He uses a antifungal cream and it goes a way. Four years is a long time to keep this from me and my gp can't get me in for three more weeks, I have now discharge from my (sore) botty
I am very scared - any idea what this is. Thanks Rufus
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

11/01/2009 18:55:07
412...Ahhh I see...you suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder...swallow 5 double seidlitz powders...paint your naked body silver...present yourself outside your local supermarket when the time is right and scream..

"I'm a rocket, watch me blast off into orbit!"

And when you go zooming off everyone will stand around clapping...
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

11/01/2009 18:56:58
418 Dear Rufus...yep..its "Troll's érse"...only remedy is to set fire to yourself.
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Morry,

Scotland 11/01/2009 18:57:16
418, You poor thing.
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­­Rufus-T-Firefly­,

11/01/2009 18:58:43
419.
412...Ahhh I see...you suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder...swallow 5 double seidlitz powders...paint your naked body silver...present yourself outside your local supermarket when the time is right and scream..

"I'm a rocket, watch me blast off into orbit!"

And when you go zooming off everyone will stand around clapping...
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I have already tried something similar, but a group of old ladies outside my local Farmfoods just mocked my little todger
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 19:21:31
If Harry were to shoot all the fakes on here that would go a long way towards redeeming himself.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 19:25:48
#418 Hello "prince" Harry, so glad you have joined our wee forum.
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Age of Reason,

Aberdeen 11/01/2009 20:02:01
Oh what rubbish talked!
To be a pakistani is a matter of fact .... if you are pakistani it will not bother you. Being called pathan may bother you... unless you ARE pathan. Wih no malice, there is no problem.
Likewise a raghead .... if he is an impoverished hot-climate outdoor worker he will explain that is rag is actually his affordable PPE. If he's a respectable arab in customary costume, be may well be offended. But being called a 'jock' in that anglicised raciallly sterotyping offensive patronising way is offensive ... in the wrong place at the wrong time. In the Mess to a guy with full right of reply in kind .... where's the problem.
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Martin_edinburgh,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 20:08:50
Have a gander at www dot p*ki dot com - claims to be the "Biggest Pakistani Online Community". I guess they must also be the biggest online racist community around, given they bandy the term p*ki around with such impunity

(P.S. for p*ki above read the word that the Scotsman's feedback system won't let me post, even though they use the word in their own report. What a joke.)
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jdships,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 20:26:20
Question for everyone who has posted here
Please be honest !
Can you truthfully say you have never said
"I'm off to the P... shop for milk "

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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 20:39:17
430 Yes.

But then I was brought up properly, it's a shame the same thing can't be said about Prince Harry. One aspect of this not touched on is that his mother was no racist, quite the contrary. Perhaps if she had been around he might not have turned out like this.
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Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 20:43:43
What type of people have we really become in this country of ours,and when I say country I mean Scotland.
We should not be finding the time to remark(as I am just doing)on these dispicable English uppercrust layabouts who call themselves royalty.The time has now come for the Scottish people to have some pride in themselves and not to be lickspittaling to a foreign monarchy.
It does not surprise me one bit that in the USA and many other European countries the Island of Britain is simply referred to as "England". We just cannot blame people for thinking that we are all just "English" on this island.Many of the posts on this thread have confirmed our worst fears.
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M J MacNeil,

White Rock B.C. Canada 11/01/2009 20:48:05
It Will be interesting to see what role the lads will play in history , Will they take the Throne , or will they abstain ,to honor thy Mother. I like these Boys. I think they are vary bright. Do not be surprised if they take a larger role in the worlds up coming events . Remember "a man learns until he is 30 then he retains wisdom or he is unteachable".
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 20:56:40
#434 I don't think we have to worry much about any useful stuff coming out of Harry Hewitt and William. Go and lie down now and sleep it all off. There's a good lad.
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Alba Abú,

11/01/2009 20:57:25
434 M.J. With respect,you are more than wellcome to have the English royals as head of your country (Canada) but we here in Scotland are just fed up with being charged with the upkeep of these sponging scroungers.So! please take them off our hands.
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jdships,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 21:03:39
431 /432

A "Chocolate watch " for you two

"Brought up properly" - what a lovely turn of phrase , surely it is your peers who judge that ?
When I was young preWW2 there were no Indians, Pakistani or even West Indian people living in Leith.
Even in 1948 when working in the shipyard there was only one black man out of 1200 employed in the yard
He was born in Leith !!
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ACM,

Bearsden 11/01/2009 21:10:34
In 1982 the Pakistani Ambassador, based in London, had on official car with the personalized registration number PAK 1. He seamed aware of what it spelt; he was intelligent after all or he wouldn't have been an ambassador. I have also heard several Pakistanis refer to themselves this way so what is the big deal when someone else does?.
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gordon'sboomhasbust,

glasgow 11/01/2009 21:28:09
I think he must get his ideas from his Grandfather the Duke. He is just the same with his 'slitty eyed 'chinese comments and many more similar comments.
Or his Dad Prince Charles who has no morals and used to sleep with two different married women on alternate weekends while still married to Diana.
Or his deceased mum Diana who took many lovers to her bed while still married to Charles.
Basically he's from a troubled family so he shouldn't be condemned outright.
He did some service in Afghanistan but had to return home when his cover was blown. The might of the British Army couldn't protect him from some simple Arabs with head coverings.
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Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 11/01/2009 21:28:21
The Aussies play cricket well.... The Brits are...... wow what really racist & inflammatory language!? I understand Harry is called 'ginger' by the way.......wow what bigotry! Lets stop that too.

And we better not call the French 'froggies' or 'frenchies'.

BAN David Niven's film the Scarlet Pimpernel: "They seek him here, they seek him there, those frenchies seek him everywhere". What violent racism!!!!!

Lets ban films that use the word Yank. Or Limey, or Taff, or Jock. War films of years ago were full of BLATANT RACISM. Terrible. We are so much more enlightened today. Now we have Ross seeing how many 4 letter words he can use and apparently the bbc consider that's entertainment.

What's so funny are the pygmies jumping up and down and shrilly crying racism.

Context determines everything; and if Ahmed doesn't mind then neither should anyone else - this was a private conversation between adults. And frankly jossing between friends is entirely different from hate filled invective against groups. But don't expect the Pygmies to have the understanding for this. What happened to the idea of consenting adults anyway? Its frightening how the PC Pygmies yearn for fascism.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 11/01/2009 21:29:27
#439 Context is the big deal. If I was your long time close friend and you were, say a Jew, and I said to you "you **ing Jewish bas**rd let's go and party". That's one thing. If I just say "you **ing Jew" - or like Harry said, "you look like an e**ing raghead" that's something else altogether. If you can't see the difference then I feel sorry for you.
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Scotian,

Isle Royale 11/01/2009 21:36:40
The origin of the name, the people who live there:

P ashtan
A fghani
K ashmiri
I rani
Stan.
The British Empire so named the folks & land of this partitioned State.
What on earth is wrong with Hary's naming, it's no worse than Hindi or Scotti?
Another reasin for somebody 'tae awa and bile thir heid'.

Cheers
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JockMcCool,

dundee 11/01/2009 21:41:57
Whats the matter with the Muslim fraternity?

They should adopt the British way of life which is full of banter and trading friendly insults.

Get switched on and become more thick skinned and learn to laugh at yourself.
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gordon'sboomhasbust,

gordon 11/01/2009 21:50:22
We can't even mention the 'wherethehellarewe' tribe
The two feet high pygmies who live in the four feet high savanah grasslands of the serengete. Every 5 minutes while out hunting they have to jump up and scream ' wherethehellarewe ? '
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cockatiel,

minto 11/01/2009 22:03:56
443 comments on the subject p++i - raghead made by harry over 2 years ago ? most of these 443 comments were being made by a certain group of what i would call biggots-idiots -and f++++wits.they dont even need to be named scroll through the list of comments and you can pick them out english slaging scots-scots slaging english and complaining a bout harry slaging some one ?????
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

11/01/2009 22:28:23
439...Its like this..if I am a black or asian then I am entitled to call myself "Nigg*er" or "Pàki"..cos these are insults and labels that the mighty whites hung on me to disrespect me and make me feel like I am a lesser human being than you..except I take your label and wear it with pride because this is who I am and I aint ashamed to be black or asian...same goes for lesbians and gay men....and anyone who is on the receiving end of discrimination/race hate or disrespect from other human beings...

But it does not mean that you have the right to use these labels because you more than likely are not sharing the colour of my skin or my sexual preference, coming from you it could be construed as an insult, even if it were not meant to be. And incidentally...it is wrong to assume that all black/asian/gay people are happy with these labels being used by others in their own particular community.
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Candide,

Saint Amant 11/01/2009 22:47:14
It is the military! Everyone talks to each other that way, why should he be any different? I thought that was the whole idea, make him feel part of and not apart from the people. Am I wrong?
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barrow5,

glasgow 11/01/2009 23:01:15
270, Of course calling a Pakistani a P*** is saying he/she is different from you if you are European.Please explain to me why calling a Scotsman or woman a Scot is not insultng.
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barrow5,

glasgow 11/01/2009 23:44:47
371& 2 Does that mean white males have no right to an opinion, unless of course it agrees with yours.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 11/01/2009 23:56:10
We're allowed a wee swearie. But not in Court or talking to the police which get's you arrested and put in a cell. Whether army or civilian.

"You're a coont." "But a good coont," replied Stewart. I was corrected and could say no more.
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Canada,

Canada 12/01/2009 00:04:09
Well said Harry! If PC stands for Prince Charles tell the old man to shut up!
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barrow5,

glasgow 12/01/2009 00:05:53
386. I don't need to pretend.It's still an abbreviation of the word Pakistan, & has been used innocently or over 30 years without anyone turning a hair.I hear it day in & day out still in the context it was used 30 years ago without any expletive front or back except perhaps the S word (SHOP).
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 12/01/2009 00:07:47
It could happen to anyone, dropping a L86A2 LSW.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 12/01/2009 00:13:32
It's how things are perceived. The Scots language goes for abrieviation and alliteration. You got to live wi't. But Afghans dinna like being called Pak-is.
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barrow5,

glasgow 12/01/2009 00:28:28
430/1 You mean you never referred to a corner shop as P***, years ago when it was perfectly acceptable to do so.
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Ted Voth Jr,

Mad Town Wes' Consin 12/01/2009 01:21:41
I'm a McClintock at several removes; I'm not sure how calling a Scot a Scot would be any more an insult than calling a cat a cat; what prouder name is there than Scot? Except maybe 'Okie': I'm an Oklahoman, and my family, anyway, call ourselves 'Okies', and anyone has a problem with that, it's their problem. But until someone adopts a deprecatory ame as his own it's an insult, and Harry should've known better.

But someone's got to maintain his grampaw and his aunt's tradition, right?

Don't get rid of em; they're so much fun! They should give 3/4 of their money to charity, though…
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BrianW,

Wellington 12/01/2009 04:04:41
Good grief what a sad world. Has no one any sense of humour anymore ? They were lighted harted comments made without malice. Next thing people will be getting all outraged about the use of Jock for Scotsmen (I am one and have no problem with it), Paddy for the Irish and in this part of the world (Australasia) Pom or Pommy for the English.
Get a life people.
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 10:23:15
461...What planet are you on?...it has NEVER been "Perfectly acceptable" to use that term, even in relation to a corner shop..and it is true ignorance to believe that this is civilised and acceptable.
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Pagan,

Fife 12/01/2009 16:24:57
Well done Harry
Why wait, make him CIC NOW!
Do you sad orphans really believe that the asians dont call us names in their own tongue.
Get A life
I am only glad I will be leaving this so called country, before it turns into an islamic state, then you will see what bigotry/racism is all about
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tilsdaug,

New Castle 13/01/2009 01:13:30
This "offense" happened a couple of years ago !! The people offended never complained !!! Why ? Because amongst friends you can go there and he was. So, what is the fuss about ? Hey, if you are from another country, province or county, are you upset when a friend or peer calls you a slang which directly links you to that place - not likely. In fact you kinda like it cause it says "I am different, but you accept me on your level". He's a young man... Please let him grow and stop strangling him.....
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Retired,

Long Beach 13/01/2009 01:18:10
Military blokes always make crass remarks. It's a one way of taking oneself out of the garbage pit of war. Much of the language is offensive to civilians and out of place but in the barracks. HRH Prince Harry is not a bigot any more than any person on active duty or, for that matter, anyone at all. The problem is his video taping it. But in the context of the time and place, it's defensible that he should tape himself. Raw humor, unfortunately, doesn't work well with the PC sorts.
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kemson,

Warwick 14/01/2009 08:28:38
If Harry had of ignored his young P*-i comrade he would have probably been deemed a racist for not mentioning him.

Spot the odd one out

Brit Britain British (Person from Britain)
Yank America American (Person from America)
Scot Scotland Scotish (Person from Scotland)
pa*i pakistani pakistan (Bad word)
Frog France French (Person from France)
Auzzie Australia Australian (Person from Australia)
Af Africa African (Person from Africa)


Why doesn't someone officially change the meaning of the word Pa*i to mean a person from Pakistan. I suppose not, then it will give the newspapers nothing to write about!!! (They wouldn't even post this comment as I had the word pa*i in it, a sad day for Britain)

 

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