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Published Date: 20 July 2008
ALEX Salmond was facing fresh allegations of cronyism last night after it emerged that a company to which his Government handed £215,000 of public funds was created with help from his party.
Legal documents establishing the Scottish Islamic Foundation (SIF) as a company were witnessed by a member of the SNP's staff at the party's Glasgow head office.

The papers relate to SIF's application to be set up as a company in May of this year.
As part of the process of incorporating a company, a director must sign a form to confirm that all details are present and correct.

This document – 'the declaration on application of registration' – was signed at 50 Wellington Street, the same office which contains the SNP Glasgow HQ.

The document was then formally witnessed by Calum MacLeod, an SNP solicitor.

The new revelations over the company's close ties to the SNP come after leading Muslim figures in Glasgow publicly claimed last week that the SIF had received special treatment from the Scottish Government.

In March, the Scottish Islamic Foundation received a £215,000 grant from SNP ministers to fund a major 'IslamFest' event next year being organised by the group, and to pay for its offices in Glasgow.

The general secretary of the Glasgow Islamic Mosque, Dr Shafi Kauser, said: "This is about scratching their own backs."

Mohammed Asif of the Scottish Afghan Society added: "The First Minister is just helping his own members."

The company is being run by chief executive Osama Saeed, a former researcher for the First Minister, and an SNP member who is fighting to become an SNP MP in the Glasgow Central constituency.

Saeed is campaigning to win support within Glasgow Central's large Muslim population. He intends the publicly funded Scottish Islamic Foundation to be "a platform" for the views of Muslims.

But an executive member of the Glasgow Mosque, Ghulam Rabbani, added to the Muslim voices in Glasgow opposing the funding package last night. "Nobody knows this organisation (SIF] in the Muslim community," he said. "I think they have got money because he was employed by Alex Salmond."

Meanwhile, opposition party members who had appeared to back SIF have started to express concerns at the arrangement.

Labour MSP Pauline McNeill attended the launch of SIF last month and has been used to claim the SIF has cross-party support. She said: "I attended the launch of the SIF along with the other political parties and church leaders and we were asked to say a few words. But speaking at an event is not an endorsement of the Government's recent decision to fund SIF and not other organisations established in the field. Ministers need to explain why this decision is appropriate."

David Mundell, shadow Scottish secretary, added: "Whilst we are very supportive of the principle of this sort of enterprise, concerns have been raised with us about the organisation."

However, the Scottish Government hit back last night, insisting the funding for the SIF was made "after the normal process of value for money evaluation".

The spokesman added: "This remains a non-story. The important thing is that IslamFest will be a fantastic cultural as well as commercial opportunity for Scotland as a whole, as well as our Muslim community, carrying cross-party and indeed interfaith support.

"All funding applications to the Scottish Government are scrutinised and are considered for their match with Government priorities and assessed for their value for money."

Scottish Government sources hit back against the cronyism claims by claiming that the funding deal for the IslamFest had been agreed "in principle" by the previous Lib-Lab Scottish Executive. A source close to Salmond said: "Any attempt by opposition parties to play petty politics on this will backfire, particularly given that it was the previous administration that first agreed to provide funding for Islam Fest."

A Scottish Executive spokeswoman also confirmed that Salmond had contacted the chairman of Glasgow Central Mosque Bashir Maan last Saturday as claims began to surface that the SNP had turned them down over an application for funding.

The claims had been made by other leading figures at the mosque, including the general secretary, who told this newspaper that they had "heard nothing" from the SNP over their own application for funding, in contrast to the SIF's deal.

Subsequently, a statement in Maan's name was issued by the Scottish Government later that day in which Maan insisted that the application had not been turned down and was still live.

A spokesman for SIF pointed out that the offices of the company are at a different location. "The Form 12 witness is not an honorific position, and the location of witnessing irrelevant," he said.

A spokeswoman for the Scottish Government said she could not say whether the company papers had been signed in the SNP's office, as 50 Wellington Street contains several offices.



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  • Last Updated: 19 July 2008 10:46 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

AM2,

Scotland,UK 20/07/2008 00:07:53
Even leaving aside the possible cronyism here, Alex Salmond needs to think hard about the political symbiosis which he may be allowing to develop.

Osama Saeed has written of his support for a the restoration of the Islamic Caliphate, which would absorb existing states around the world into a Shari’a “superstate”.

Reformed jihadist Ed Husain has called Osama Saeed a “bad apple” and has accused his organisation of being an “offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose members have endorsed suicide bombing”.

Tom Gallagher, the chair of peace studies at Bradford University, has described Osama Saeed as “an unapologetic advocate of the hardline Islamism” and has accused him of deceiving Scots by hiding his real agenda.
2

ThomasP,

20/07/2008 00:10:27
Innocent untill proven guilty.
3

pressure,

scotland 20/07/2008 00:14:42
this is serious stuff from the SOS - it looks like the SNp have set up an company to fund an SNP organisation to provide a platform for teh SNP to tout the muslim vote for stugeon using tax payers money. If that is the case.... that is serious stuff and someone coudl be in trouble here.
4

Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 00:15:39
As Nicol Stephen once said, there is "smell of sleaze" about the affair.
5

pressure,

scotland 20/07/2008 00:17:13
indeed innocent until proven guilty - but when the balance of evidence is against you it is now up to you to prove you are innocent - that is the way the law works. this is serious. using tax payers money for political advantage. its a criminal offence.
6

subrosa,

20/07/2008 00:21:18
Isn't this last week's news?

Come on Eddie, you can do better than this.
7

Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 00:24:28
subrosa, no this is this weeks news.

Both articles are different.

Nice try though.
8

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 00:24:38
7 Subrosa

This is a "Sunday" newspaper. Sunday comes "once" a "week", the follow up story to news broken in a Sunday paper cannot be published before the following "Sunday".

The "Sunday Newspapers" get their name from "Sunday" which is a day that has a "week" in between it.

Is there nothing you SNP drones can;t understand?
9

truthsleuth,

20/07/2008 00:25:52
Why am I not surprised.
Problem is all of the UK parties are 'supported' by suspect non British sources.
These non British sources will want their pound of flesh.
10

pressure,

scotland 20/07/2008 00:28:13
also in the statement form teh SNP that it was the last executive that agreed to fund this does not ring true. In his opening speech to launch SIF which was made very recently he Saeed claimed that he only conceived of the idea to build the organisation a year ago - after the terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport - they probably agreed to fund the islamfest - but not fund the SNP!
11

Fifi la Bonbon,

20/07/2008 00:37:42
"subrosa, 20/07/2008 00:21:18 - Isn't this last week's news? Come on Eddie, you can do better than this."


No, this is new. Last week's story was as much about Mr Saeed's suitability as anything else. I am glad to read that Pauline McNeil has woken up to the problem, at last - better late than never, Pauline.

This is about blatant partisanship. It does look suspiciously as if the SNP as a political party is involved in the government channelling a huge amount of public money to SNP supporters. I know that this is deeply worrying to minority ethnic organisations which applied in good faith from the funding stream in question, believing that there was an open field. Many applicants have not heard yet if their bids have been successful. Was it even worth their while applying? If it is true that ministers have earmarked this money for a favoured son, does that mean that other organisations ought not to have bothered applying? The criteria didn't say you have to be a friend or business associate of the First Minister.

Would this have happened three years ago when Malcolm Chisholm was the minister in charge of this funding stream? I don't think so.
12

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 00:45:59
How "Scottish" of the SNP. Ban nativity plays which form a play part of "Christian Fest" in December, and yet sponsor an Islam Fest with public money.

Surlely you shoudl support both or neither. But I guess Salmond needs to differentiate Scotland in the Market lest christianity be confused with being British. Perhaps he should dress Sturgeon up in a bee keeper's costume and claim that Islam is Scotland's state religion.

By the way, the bee keeper costume will get removed even though it is nothing to with Islam and your allowed to comment on women who wear shirt skirts.

Too many people scared to be impaled to the pavement by the sensitive souls at home made bomb squad.
13

BIG EYE,

Paisley 20/07/2008 00:46:27
Things are really difficult for the opposition in Scotland at the moment.

Here we have all this effort suggesting the SNP are up to some dirty tricks in helping finance this organisation and it turns out that it was the last Labour/Lib Dem adminstration that started the process!

Oh dear time to start again!
14

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 00:51:06
Did you that the SNP cut the funding of Glasgow's science festival from £1,7 million to 1.1 Million?

Less science, more Islam for our boys and girls.

The SNP are a joke, they rate Islam with higher priority than Science. How "Scottish" of them, we were once famous for being the world's leading engineers designing steam power that built America.

But its Imams for the new millenium.

LOL, you can;t write this stuff. The SNP are a joke.

All day we will see SNP drones trying to emotionally blackmailing people into keeping quiet on the cuts to science and wasteful spending on quakery and witchcraft.
15

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20/07/2008 00:55:10
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Fifi la Bonbon,

20/07/2008 00:56:55
If it is true, as "a source close to Salmond" suggests, that the Labour administration agreed to give Osama Saeed even one penny, then this huge lapse in judgement needs to be exposed and Malcolm Chisholm, the Communities Minister at the time, needs to explain himself.
17

Edward,

20/07/2008 01:20:32
Just some perspective
Alcoholics Anonymous (Office & Administration)
Amedo Adjusting Ltd
Community Health Exchange
COSLA
Cook & Co Accountants
D Small Ltd
Glasgow Diet Centre
Hall Aitken Associates Ltd
Hotel & Catering Training Co Ltd
Inksters Solicitors
Lisa Melvin Beauty Salons
Public & Commercial Services Union
Scotia Energy Ltd
Scottish Bowling Association
Scottish Community Development Centre
Serious Facilties Ltd
Steel Robertson & Co Accountants
Wellington Insurance Services Ltd
World Bowls

As well as the Scottish National Party

All at Baltic Chambers, 50 Wellington Street Glasgow


Think the so called jouranlist is once again taking a Labour breifing and not actually checking to see who else has offices at 50 Wellington Street.
Its noted that at least one union and COSL have offices there as well as accountants and solicitors
18

Edward,

20/07/2008 01:33:29
#13 Fifi la Bonbon
Actually it IS last weeks news
'Salmond hit by 'cash for cronies' row
Published Date: 13 July 2008
By Eddie Barnes
Seems as if Eddie Barnes likes to regurgitate the same Labour breifing on a weekly basis!

Labour are up to their usual dirty tricks in trying to smear anthing associated with the SNP, even if its organisations that receive funding from the Scottish Government
19

Willie Macleod,

Wick 20/07/2008 01:37:01
No one should rush to judgement of anyone or party on the basis of a newspaper story.
20

Edward,

20/07/2008 01:39:03
Mr Bashir Maan's name has been mentioned here.
just to remind ; Bashir Maan CBE is an Asian-Scottish politician, businessman and writer. In 1970 he was the first Muslim to be elected to a public office in the United Kingdom, to serve as a Labour councillor for the Kingston ward in Glasgow.He is currently Convener of the Muslim Council of Scotland and President of the Islamic Centre Glasgow. In 2006 he became involved in the Misbah Rana alleged abduction case.
21

Edward,

20/07/2008 01:40:55
Its hsould be noted also ,that for such a 'big' story, which is more or less a repeat of last Sundays. Its not actually reported in ant=y other 'quality' paper, I wonder why?
22

subrosa,

20/07/2008 01:42:04
# 7

Sticks and stones ...
23

subrosa,

20/07/2008 01:42:47
That should have been # 8

Been droning too much :)
24

Senga Jean,

20/07/2008 01:46:02
This is not just any story . This is an SOS RACIST story.



As they say in the East End..."Aye Right!"
25

Alec M,

Falkirk 20/07/2008 02:00:25
A funny thing - the initials "SIF", previously known to refer to a fund-raising forum much utilised by "Labour in Scotland" and now thought to be under serious investigation by Strathclyde's finest for deception / misrepresentation!
26

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:03:59
29 Senga Drone

What colour of skin or what race does a Muslim have?

Islam is an ideology.

Genetic make-up is a race.

What race does a christian have?

Islam is not a race, it is a religion. People are just emotionally blackmailed into beleiving they are racist if they dare to challenge an ideology, because it is easier to silence them.

Another "atheist" bias story for the SOS? Or are they christian? Either way it is not fueled by race.

Please learn to use the world racist in a sentence, it should follow or be in the context of genetic make-up, not ideological choice. You can't choose not to be whate/black any more. So if your stupid and vote SNP try using that as a test. Can a muslim choose not to believe in Islam? Yes, ergo not racist.
27

Willie Macleod,

Wick 20/07/2008 02:20:07
Morning Doggin'it How do manage to post and take part in your alfresco activities.
28

Senga Jean,

20/07/2008 02:24:06
This is just not any story. This is a RACIST Islamaphobe SOS story.


BTW I am a secularist! WOW! (Yes and I do vote SNP)
29

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

20/07/2008 02:26:52
3 pressure, scotland 20/07/2008 00:14:42

very garbled and mis-leading comments

30

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:28:49
Islam = race?

Holy Romans were maybe a race, but Islam is not.

What I find hilarious, it's the type of irony that is wasted on SNP levels of averageness is that Islam does not believe in countries, it is without borders.

For the SNP to promote Islam with public money to win votes of Muslims to vote for the creation of borders and Nationlism. The mind boggles, another intelligent principled stand from the party that like to say yes to any short-term opportunism.
31

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:30:20
Nationalism and Islam, as Scottish as each other?

LOL
32

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:31:51
What does the Quaran say on Nationalism? Will "those" teachings be a part of Islam Fest? I doubt it.
33

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:33:44
Islam teaches that Nationalism has split up humanity into self serving groups and must be abolished.

Good old 'eck. Really smart guy that one. Lucky for him his cult members are thick.
34

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 02:35:24
What is this Mulsim SNP group called. Muslims for independence?

Charlatans, these guys must be. Emotionally blackmailing and using Islam for self-serving needs. Some like to use religion for destructive warfare, some for destructive politics.

But Islam is diametrically opposed to nationalism, someone needs to point that out the great pretender.
35

Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 20/07/2008 03:54:41
Waiting for that W M Smith plonker to come up with some anti SNP bile
36

Willie Macleod,

Wick 20/07/2008 05:17:36
I am going to put on an iron shirt
And chase
the devil out of earth I am going to send him to outer space to find anotherm race.


37

Willie Macleod,

Wick 20/07/2008 05:46:47
The Deil cam fiddlin thro the town
And danc'ed awa wi th Exciseman
And ilka wife cries Auld Mahoun
I wish you luck o the prize man!

The deils awa the deils awa the deils
Awa wi the exciseman
38

Jimmy the Pie,

20/07/2008 07:46:56
Good grief Eddie.

What a clever article.

Lets whip up the anti - Muslim feelings with utter rubbish and your masters at New Labour Sleaze will give you a pat on the head.

DO YOU HAVE NO DIGNITY LEFT???

YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO JOURNALISM!!!

Have you not run the story again about that idiot Mike Dailly and his office expenses?????
39

Garry Otton,

Scottish Media Monitor com 20/07/2008 08:05:24
I think the SNP distribute religious privileges very fairly. Speaking at a lecture of one of most notorious homophobes, Salmond has promised funding for more sectarian schools for Catholics.
40

Pink Sombrero,

20/07/2008 08:22:08
1. Maybe an illegal war against a Muslim country, public images of Muslims being humiliated, tortured and urinated on at Abu Ghraib, and Guantanamo bay, would be a better strategy for harmonious relations between faiths and cultures?
41

Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/07/2008 08:30:59
30
'...and now thought to be' thought ot be by whom? Nobody except nationalist liars who would do anything to deflect attention away from more evidence of SNP cronyism. And to think of the self-righteous cant that spewed out of SNP HQ. Hypocritical liars.
42

donald,

glasgow 20/07/2008 09:25:25
Nice try Eddie. What about Labour introducing Scots Muslims to cronyism? George Galloway made his fortune in the Labour Party from Glasgow Muslims and was responsible for the Asian Times article in Urdu, claiming that the SNP would deport all Muslims.

It is Labour bombing Muslims, not the SNP.
43

brownlie,

20/07/2008 09:37:18
46 Grahamski

An organisation, obstensibly set up for the regeneration of an area, being used for donations to a political party should be a concern for all not just nationalists.

Do you have a different opinion?
44

Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 09:59:46
#45 "illegal war"?

Really?
45

LEAL,

20/07/2008 10:03:39
46 Grahamski

How goes it in Glasgow East?Got that office tidied up yet?Cups washed?Maps sorted out?You'll have to run buses up from England with Labour activists to give you coverage at the next general election.They may be to busy in their own constituencies in England to have time.
46

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 10:09:48
52 Methalions

Ahhh yes, the crucifiction of christ, I wish they would stop re-hashing that. Or those re-hashed stories from the Quran. Isn't that last millenium's news, or was it the one before?

Another SNP drine who advocates a system whereby a sitting government break the law and just have to filibuster their way out of it knowing that injustie should never be revisited.

The SNP are a disgrace, drones like Methalions an embarassment to reasoned thought. If someone demanded that funding for Islam be stopped because it was just re-hashed stories then... well, we all know Mathalions and his SNP drones are having trouble coming to terms that the SNP is just as corrupt as Labour.
47

Jimmy the Pie,

20/07/2008 10:11:55
Have Jackie Baillie and Red Wendy been out on the streets, campaigning for the poor and underprivileged???

As true 'socialists' I thought they'd have been out campaigning for Francis Curran???
48

Jimmy the Pie,

20/07/2008 10:13:58
52 Doggin'it1707

Did you become a fool naturally, or did you have to work at it???

Do tell us
49

brownlie,

20/07/2008 10:14:00
49 Rufus

Do you consider the maiming and killing of innocents to be "legal"?
50

Linda,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 10:42:57
SOS clutching at straws here.

You would run out of print if you were to investigate the 100s of Labour fronted organisations that receiuve public money.

Govan Law Centre for one.
51

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 10:59:35
56 Linda (SNP Drone)

The old two wrongs make a right defence? How old are you.

Labour and the SNP are as bad as each other, only drones from the SNP think that a imagined ration of law-breaking is a mitigating factor.

You are an embarassment to reasoned thought.
52

livilion,

livingston 20/07/2008 11:10:14
What a tangled web...
Cronyism, is that like the North Larnarkshire Murphia?
Where in order to get up the political ladder you should be seen to have, or a close family member has, a season ticket to Celtic Park kind of thing?

How many Unionist politicians have 'secret' links to religious groups which have 'links' to child abusers or fascist organisations and assisted in their fundraising activities?
53

brownlie,

20/07/2008 11:18:49
57 Dog

You are the only person who makes reference to "imagined ration of law-breaking". Linda did not make any mention of this in her post.

Can I suggest that when you generalise in insulting posters any opinions you express are automatically weakened.
54

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 11:27:10
59 brownlie

Yes, my bad typing. Ration should be ratio.

100/1 is a ratio of law-breaking. But that doesn't mean we should ignore the one case (so far) of SNP corruption.

You can suggest that, but two wrongs don't make a right. Like most SNP drones you avoid the story and instead split hairs and play the man not the ball.

You are the worst kind of sophist. (Not the same as sphistication).
55

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 11:29:06
59 Brownlie

For the avoidance of doubt theSNP drone Linda said that this case should be ignored by the press because Labour had done it 100s of times.

That creates an imagined ration of 100s/1 and we should thereby ignore all govermnetal crime until thy;ve committed a 100 or more?

Typical SNP rationale, retarded.
56

Scythia,

Scotland 20/07/2008 11:31:34
The whole thing has a rotton smell to it.This is far more serious than the Wendy Alexander affair. Taxpayers money being used to fund a bloc that overwhelmingly supports a particular party, whose head is a member of that party. That's called gerrymandering and should be investigated by the slease watchdog ASAP.
57

brownlie,

20/07/2008 11:40:13
60/61 Dog

If you look at 56 Linda did NOT say that this case should be ignored by the press. She merely pointed out that, whilst in Government, Labour had funded other organisations. She made no mention of crime but you did.

What is the best kind of sophist?
58

AM2,

Scotland,UK 20/07/2008 11:46:12
#12 Ken_Fitlike

I can only presume that, to imagine that I hold “neo-con views”, your vantage point must be off the left-most end of the mainstream political scale.

Tom Gallagher is Professor of Ethnic Conflict and Peace. Here’s his profile:
http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/peace/staff/academic/gallagher_t/

As for Osama Saeed, here’s what the Centre for Social Cohesion has to say:
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/ScottishIslamicFoundation.pdf

The CSC really may have something of a “neocon agenda”, as Saeed charges. Certainly its director has espoused neoconservative principles. But the analysis is well referenced and so shouldn’t be discounted on that basis.

See also this Times article: “Osama Saeed – a reluctant fundamentalist?”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4186363.ece
59

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 11:47:14
63

A quiet one.
60

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20/07/2008 11:49:13
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61

brownlie,

20/07/2008 11:50:22
65 Dog

I suggest you have a lot to be quiet about! Let's hope it's contagious then!
62

MtnKat,

20/07/2008 12:06:54
What part of 'cross party support' don't you understand?
Just because Pauline MacNeill of the U-Turn party is staying in character when an opportunity to slag the SNP appears, doesn't change the facts.
Enjoy Barnes, entirely predictable, sniper attack. I've got better things to do.
63

LEAL,

20/07/2008 12:13:33
Is their a big turnout of campaigners in Glasgow East today?
64

Iain's,

Barcelona 20/07/2008 12:15:53
Seems to me all they are guilty of is forward thinking and showing New Labour how community relations should be dealt with.
All New labour is interested in is caring for Muslim extremists!
65

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 20/07/2008 12:18:40
A fundamental point that's not getting much attention is - why are we funding ANY religious group? Were we ever asked whether this was appropriate or the right thing to do?

Amongst followers of Islam there is a split on this and that apart from anything else might explain why this type of fundiing should never be contemplated whether it's to Muslims or Christians or any other group. Gordon Brown has courted all sorts of immigration legal and illegal, turning (ahem) a blind eye to it to catch votes. I'd hope the SNP is not in the same boat but they are politicans after all.
66

subrosa,

20/07/2008 12:40:58
# 35

'What I find hilarious, it's the type of irony that is wasted on SNP levels of averageness is that Islam does not believe in countries, it is without borders.'

I expect you find it hilarious that the UK government gave the go-ahead for the largest mosque in Europe to be built on prime land in London. Don't upset the Saudis ...

67

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 20/07/2008 12:50:45
I do not know why you all get excited over politicians,
I do not trust any of them no matter what party they are from they are all there to con the public and to line their own pockets at the hard working tax payers expense. to all those people trying to get a house become a politician you get it paid for from the tax payers
68

brownlie,

20/07/2008 12:53:53
73 subrosa

Nothing hilarious about Blair getting the Serious Fraud Office not to proceed with corruption charges prosecution so as not to offend the Saudis.
69

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 13:00:46
AM2
Dragging out Tom Gallagher doesn't add credibility to your point. His scholarship is about the poorest I've ever seen and his judgment on political issues is very weak. What he knows about Islam can probably be put on the back of a postage stamp. When did he become a prfessorial level expert on the finer points of Islam? How, for example does he define 'hardline Islam'? What does that mean exactly? Aren't things just a little bit more complicated than that? What's your ppoint - is it about hardline Islam, or is about alleged cronyism? This is just a cheap smear.
70

Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 13:33:16
73

There is nothing Ironic about approving a place of worship in one of the world's most international, vibrant and diverse cities.

But do you see the irony in Nationalism being peddled by Islam and an "National" party promoting Islam?

The SNP rely on borders and self serving divisiveness and Islam are diametrically opposed to this. You couldn't make it up. I guess there is unity on the fringes of British society and no principle so big it can't be overlooked by the SNP and Islam if it means attacking British culture.
71

AM2,

Scotland,UK 20/07/2008 13:36:45
#76 Wee Fifer

Which of Prof Gallagher’s articles criticising the SNP led you to want to call into question his credentials? I linked to his biography on the University of Bradford’s website specifically so that anyone can see the breadth of his research interests. That he is criticised by the hard Left and by radical Islamists tells us nothing. It goes with the territory.

“Scotland’s nationalist-Muslim embrace”
http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflicts/democracy_terror/scotland_islam

“English policies will cause a schism in Scotland”
http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/featuresopinon/display.var.1592973.0.0.php

“Scotland’s Radicals”
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=9746

“The SNP and the Islamist Threat”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/archive/60806/the-snp-is-playing-a-deadly-game-with-islam.thtml
72

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 13:41:13
AM2 78
None of the above. I am quite familiar with Prof Gallagher's scholarship on other issues than either Islam and/or the SNP. He is perfectly entitled to engage in polemics as is anyone, but given his voluminous effluence written to date on the Balkans I am just saying that I don't take him seriously as a scholar.
So, less of the assumptions please!
73

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 13:43:00
PS: Breadth of research interests don't necessarily add up to academic credibility. Excessive breadth says something quite different, in general it says 'opportunist' and sometimes 'charlatan'.
74

Jimmy the Pie,

20/07/2008 13:57:03
AM2

Would today be a record for you, in the number of posts you've deleted????

Do tell us!
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Govanhill,

Govanhill 20/07/2008 14:03:36
In March, the Scottish Islamic Foundation received a £215,000 grant from SNP ministers to fund a major 'IslamFest' event next year being organised by the group, and to pay for its offices in Glasgow.
May I suggest that this money would be better used to clean up Allison St in Govanhill. This would do more for social cohesion.

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Allan(handofgod137),

20/07/2008 14:15:17
Nice to see wee eck remaining true to his leftist roots.
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Brian Hill,

20/07/2008 14:27:42
For those who think Eddie 'can do better than this' you are wrong. If he could rubbish the SNP more he would.

Eddie and his fellow unionist apologists are in a real panic over Glasgow East, not just at the loss of one Westminster seat but at what the loss would represent.

This victory would not only match Hamilton which sparked off the modern SNP success, it would eclipse Hamilton because it will spell the beginning of the end of the union.

The SNP have 3 chances of winning a mandate to begin negotiations for the break up of the UK between now and 2011. A General Election in 2010, an Independence Referendum in 2010 and a Holyrood Election in 2011.

A win on Thursday will give them an unstoppable momentum to take into those mandate producing campaigns and of course next year's European elections will give their machine a thorough work out before the big 3. Thus the importance of this by election.

Swanning round the constituency for about 5 hours yesterday my impression was a very soft Labour vote failing to halt a huge chunk of itself sliding slowly towards the SNP, (coming from those currently undecided).

Organisation on Thursday will almost certainly decide this election, which gives the edge to the SNP. But the current momentum must be maintained up to and including polling day, which I have no doubt it will. Looks more like an SNP gain everyday.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 20/07/2008 14:37:46
These unionists are priceless, they can't make up their minds if the SNP is left wing or right wing, they accuse the SNP of having it's own 'narrow agenda', of not being outward looking, and of wanting to cut Scotland and it's people off from the rest of the World and it's people.

When the SNP government shows that it wishes to embrace all the people of Scotland, whether they have a faith or not, just as it wishes a Scotland that will reach out to the rest of the world, they start moaning.

No proof mind you, just moans, and the kind of comments that show that in their desperation they even contradict themselves and each other.

'Tis they who are small and petty minded.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 20/07/2008 14:40:29
I forgot to say, that it is ameasur eof their desperation that Eddie Barnes story is not headlined,
'Claims made that SNP,' etc etc.

A good journo' would provide the truth for a headline like that, not our Eddie.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 20/07/2008 14:43:48
Doesn't Arthur Midwinter have credentials and look how unbiased he is?
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Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 15:10:43
88 Ochone

Good one.

Arthur MID winter MORE LIKE Ivor Frontbottom.

F.A.N.N.Y

We know Independence is best and the SNP are more popular because we do.

You don't see other parties complaining of bias as regularly do you? Why's that, becaue their supporters are f.u.c.k.i.n.g barking?

Woof woof

Doggin' like it's going out of fashion.

The SNP are correct.
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Jimmy the Pie,

20/07/2008 15:11:41
Saturday's Headline: Lard Foolkes found in gutter.
Red Wendy joins SNP. Mike Dailly joins SNP. Lard Foolkes joins SNP - I've always been a nationalist, slurs His Lardship
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Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 15:41:45
#55 Brownlie, so all wars are illegal then?
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

Glasgow 20/07/2008 15:47:49
Why is any religious group getting a quarter of a million pounds?

People's belief systems are their own business — why should the state fund them?

As Muslims make up a tiny proportion of Scotland (about 3%) does that mean we can expect 25 million being given to a Catholic organisation and 75 million given to a Protestant one?

Of course the tax payers cash is being spent on a Mela?
A celebration of Asian and Muslim cultures...
I don't remember the last time I was asked to pay for someone else's party.
Surely is they want a celebration of their 'own' culture they should pay for it.
I would prefer it if the Scottish government projected Scottish culture and traditions not foreign ones.

If people choose to come to this country and live they should expect public money to be spent on Scottish events - to ehnahce the reputation of and appreciation of a foreign culture is promotional work and should be paid for by that section of the community (or by tickets) or by the foreign government that benefits from it.

If there is to be such a thing surely as this is Scotland it should be a Tryst or some such tradition.- with of course appropriate acomodation given to ALL parts of Scottish life and culture. Jewish, Protestant, Catholic and above all Atheist (the vast majority of the population.

Of course anyone with any sence knows that this isn't about religion - it is about culture and the politics of culture.

What I want to know is why on earth are my taxes paying to support a foreign culture?

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brownlie,

20/07/2008 15:49:42
95 Rufus

I would suggest that an invasion, involving the maiming and killing of innocents, of a country which presented no threat to the invading country is certainly illegal.

The subsequent carnage, with millions of refugees, is as a direct result.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 15:53:15
You would never know there was an election on, would you?

A couple of corrections though. The SNP's Glasgow office, Eddie, not HQ. Their HQ is in Edinburgh - Labour's is in Glasgow.

Whichever of the recent trolls it was on here banging on about Islam and nationalism, Islam is imperialist while nationalism is self contained within the national boundary.

Scottish nationalism equates to wanting an autonomous government and international representation in its own right. Islam wants the world under its power.

By all means grant freedom of worship to all "faiths" but also keep a close eye on what "faiths" say and do.

The nation is more important than the dominance of any "faith".
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 15:56:18
95, Rufus, the invasion of Iraq was illegal because Bush was not given the second UN mandate to do so. Later, he got the mandate to occupy Iraq.

So the invasion was a war crime but the occupation was fine.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 15:58:11
94 Jimmy
It's not value for money is it, 77 grand for him - they've got a cheek squealing about everyone else. Glenn Campbell let Curran off lightly over the former MP's activities in the service of Glasgow East when they had the mini question time at the BBC.
Back on topic, anyone interested in more light than heat should have a look at what I would call a very moderate point of view put forward by Osama Saeed re the contentious issue of 'the caliphate' that is bandied around. The point of view put forward juxtaposes a political ideal that is open ended and contrasts with the status quo of Arab client states run by installed 'monarchies' and ruthless 'Arab Republican' tyrants propped up for the sake of expediency by western interests. See - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/nov/01/religion.world
It just proves that the caliphate is like any other political concept - its meaning depends on how it is defined and by whom. To the western mind, convinced by centuries of imperialist propaganda, a word like caliphate conjours up all sorts of images. But historically it is a very complex political artefact co-existing alongside a multitude of quite sophisticated social and political institutions.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 16:00:05
Jock Tamson, Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 15:53:15

"The nation is more important than the dominance of any "faith"."

Not according to Osama Saeed it isn't — you should read what he he written and published.

He is using the SNP and the SNP are using him.


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Arrow,

edinburgh 20/07/2008 16:07:33
why is a story of this magnitude and importance not worth a mention in today's Sunday Herald? i was in glasgow last evening for a meal (fed up trying to have a meal in the west end without having to walk around roads works) and picked up the Herald to read on the train. having read it for the first time for some months i found it a much more interesting read and newsworthy that the Scotsman. in addition it mentioned a recent poll that indicated that the lead was not as great as the lab party believes and it will come "down to the wire" this week. there is only one poll that counts. and if labour maintain their tactics i think you might find that there is a graveyard vote i.e voters that have died between the compiltation of the electoral register and the issue of voting cards sometime are "resurrected" to vote. this allows the activity of "vote early and vote often" of some elections!!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:07:59
And re the Holy Roman Empire, here's the link for the tube that reckoned it was racial,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire
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Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 16:09:46
#97 legality would not be decided by what you "suggest".

International law would be the determining factor.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 16:09:52
Wee Fifer, Edinburgh 20/07/2008 15:58:11

"It just proves that the caliphate is like any other political concept — it's meaning depends on how it is defined and by whom."

Including you and Saeed.

I would like to see opinion polls and referenda on mass immigration and multiculturalism. I have a feeling the vast majority of the population are dead against it.

But hey why bother asking them. It's just their country.

Or don't you believe in democracy?

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Eve,

Scotland 20/07/2008 16:10:37
#17 Doggin'it1707: So the science centre is still geting over £1million , thats NOT to bad when I saw the heading in a news paper artcle I wasn't to sure about how much funding they where getting.

The Glasgow scince centre is Not the only Science centre in Scotland this must be noted. But the most important thing you realise is that the Science centre is NOT free to enter so there for creates revenue and is NOT techicaly a NOT for profitt organison. It also has a shop and cathatria where soveneres and food can be purchased respectivley.

They need funding just to keep the prices of entery down and so they can afford new exsabitions and for genral manitance.

I'm sure there is a plan somewhere to try and make the Glasgow science Centre more self effesent.


You don't appear to have much knollage about grant funding. An organsation has to refershen there ideas and add somthing new to the pot (so to speak) to carry on reciving grant funding.

Grant funds only last about a year or 2, 3 if lucky. Grant funders also look at how match they are taking in through their customers i.e. through the fees to get in and any other money they make.

If the Glasgow Science Centre doesnae have a enoght then it's there own fault for selling them self short in the aplication.

P.S. You should know that theres a Labour actist that got funding for a project just resently so it's possible more to do with the organsation having good ideas and more importantly offer somthing that no one else is in an effective and effesent manner.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 16:11:55
#102 because the Sunday Herald is not a quality newspaper like the Scotsman.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:16:50
yep 101, Stereotypical Glaswegian.

Like I said, you'd never know there is an election on. Religion is the theme of today's SOS it seems.

It also seems to me that action and reaction is coming into its normal dynamic. I've nothing against someone being a Muslim but I would still keep an eye on the movement as a whole.

I support an independent Scotland but I reckon Salmond should show less niavity in the face of a blatantly partisan press. As this article proves.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 16:25:22
Stereotypical Glaswegian,20/07/2008 16:09:52
What's your point exactly?
I am all in favour of democracy.
Democracy, as you will know from your own experience and knowledge is founded on the equality of citizens. In this country citizenship is not limited by considerations of race or religion. If you are suggesting that it should be, then you know who to vote for - the BNP - do their supporters not think that there is a racial/religious dimension to citizenship of already existing citizens?
Immigration is a totally different matter. Immigration can limit the numbers of people coming into a country, and eventually limit the extension of citizenship to citizens of other countries. Countries like oours and Australia do this already.
I'm still not clear why you were asking me. To pre-empt - do I feel comfortable with the principle of state funding for religious organisations - no. Do I accept that sometimes it is a question of political necessity, and that therefore exceptions have to be made - yes, like in this case.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotsman, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:28:01
Re 108, yes I do know how to spell naïveté. He should have got a COSLA member to witness the signature. Or, better still, shoved it in for Margaret Curran to sign.
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Arrow,

edinburgh 20/07/2008 16:28:15
#107 being an educated person you will be able to tell me -are there 2 lls in ballocks? if you do not think that the Herald is a quality paper try this one: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4362917.ece
interesting story from a labour supporter who volunteered to help that reveals inter alia that Margaret Curran was not aware of letter being sent out in her name to votes and the shambles that is the labour party machine. their computor base canvassing sysyem imported from their HQ in Englandshire is not designed to deal with tenements!

"a pub fight, organise, could not" rearrange into a well known phrase or saying!!!!
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 16:31:39
108 - Jock,
Quite right, what election? That's been reporting scotland's task to try to report it as little as possible - a deliberate strategy.
As for Salmond's naivety, maybe so, but he is one of the few politicians in Scotland who has the ability and the innate subtely to see things in their complexity and not just in black and white. The only story here is that there is something part of a larger strategy to do with community cohesion and integration. Nothing to do with cronyism. It's just a bloody festival.
The majority of the media have been atrocious on this issue anyway, and are atrocious in not giving the SNP government a fair crack at the whip. the Scotsman is the worst of all.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:33:50
107 Rufus, the Scotsman is not published on a Sunday. SOS is. And if you think it is quality.....

I think it is a hoot.
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brownlie,

20/07/2008 16:34:58
104 Rufus

I've been to Iraq pre-war and post-war. Any person not moved by the fear, despair and desolation evident in that poor country would have no conscience whatsoever. The technical legality does not enter into the equation.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 16:35:21
109Wee Fifer, Edinburgh 20/07/2008 16:25:22

"In this country citizenship is not limited by considerations of race or religion. If you are suggesting that it should be, then you know who to vote for - the BNP"

That is quite a leap - one that I feel will make you look rather foolish.

Can I ask you this.
If a quarter of a million pounds of public money was being spent on a cultural / political festival for Poles would you feel less inhibited to say - "hang on a minute this is horse sheet!"

Well that is what I am saying.

This money being spent is in itself racist.


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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:38:20
112, Wee Fifer. I agree with you. The post @ 108 was leading up to the one @ 110, though.
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brownlie,

20/07/2008 16:38:36
107 Rufus

Your posting here suggest you are at the "wind-up"!
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Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 16:38:44
#114 Brownlie . . .You hit the nail on the head.

Whether or not the war was illegal is immaterial.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 16:39:48
109 Wee Fifer, Edinburgh 20/07/2008 16:25:22

"What's your point exactly? "

Multiculturalism is social engineering.
I didn't vote for it.

Did you?
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Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 16:40:39
115

Let's start again.

Poles, their race is mainly eatern European.

Muslims, they don't hacve a race as it's an ideology.

I agree with your point, but supporting/decrying muslims is not racist, it is as Valid as slagging off the BNP, or as vlaid as supporting the BNP.

The law is blind, or should be, about which ideologies you slag of and support.

£215,000 for Scientology anyone? Anyone not saying yes is a racist nazi.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 16:46:14
120

I was making an analogy in response to 109

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Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 16:46:40
#117 No wind up. Many people on here cant mention the war without inserting the word "illegal" in front of it. Its an Snp rule.

Its a bit like the "unfair" council tax. Obviously a command has come down from Snp HQ demanding that the word "unfair" must always precede "council tax".
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:48:08
120, Doggin'it1707, I'm eastern Scottish and live in Central Scotland. Am I poles apart from Weegies?
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 16:50:25
125 Jock Tamson, Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:48:08

"I'm eastern Scottish and live in Central Scotland. Am I poles apart from Weegies?"

Perhaps - but them you don't live in a multi-cultural area and have no idea of the sublime delight of its advantages.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:52:30
offs. 124, Rufus. Check it out instead of harping on. The invasion of Iraq was illegal. The occupation was legal. All that by international law.

That makes Blair and Bush war criminals.

Unless, of couse, the US/UK has managed to have the records altered.
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Wee Fifer,

edinburgh 20/07/2008 16:55:35
124
It was illegal, and it is unfair.
Typical Glaswegian. I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I didn't say anything about promoting multiculturalism. Also I don't think I look foolish to say what I did, I just pointed out the logic of your argument trying to conflate issues of citizenship with issues of immigration - you will have seen that I have posted comments that are secular, but I am not barking enough like you are to lose the head completely barking on about how I didn't vote for multiculturalism bla bla bla.
Are you barking from Barking by any chance? I reckon you are.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:55:57
126, you are indeed a stereotypical Glaswegian, assuming where you live has a monopoly on ethnic blend.
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brownlie,

20/07/2008 16:57:07
124 Rufus

I was referring to your comment re the merits of the Herald and Scotsman.

SNP briefing documents reveal that posts should also add "unpopular" as well as "unfair" when referring to the council tax. Both would be equally true.
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Jock Tamson,

Upper Twee, Barking 20/07/2008 17:03:33
Wee Fifer, I know Rufus - he lives next door.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:05:09
29 Jock Tamson, Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 16:55:57

"126, you are indeed a stereotypical Glaswegian, assuming where you live has a monopoly on ethnic blend."

Ethnic blend?
You mean primary schools when 90% of the children have never spoken , written or had any contact with English.
Majority of fast food shops are Halal - including all the Fish and Chip shops.
You can transfer money out os the country from 18 money transfer shops with walking distance.
The environment you have lived in has transformed and you are the foreign minority. Race murder is a new phenomenon.

Why what sort of ethnic blend do you have?


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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 17:14:04
Calm down 132, the Stereo is too loud.

First you are boasting about the delights of multiculturalism and now you are moaning about them.

Typical Weegie. Boast and moan about the same thing in the same mood swing.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:18:23
128 Wee Fifer, Edinburgh 20/07/2008 16:55:35

"Are you barking from Barking by any chance? I reckon you are."

You may be right.
But.. WAS their a vote on multiculturalism? I must have been under a section of the Mental Health Act at the time and missed it.
Nutter that I am.

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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:21:52
132 - Stereotypical
Back to citizenship - see if there was a party that could identify racists, like you who put all problems down to immigrants, and would take their citizenship away and then deport them along with the neds (i.e. people, like you I'm assuming, of 'my culture' to Poland or Bangladesh, I would vote for that party. If they had a quota to remove 30'000 for starters and made an order from Finnish Flat Pack houses to send with them to their newly adopted country, that would be a good and humane and sustainable way to spend the communities budget in my book.
Then I would hope that that party I voted for would offer the places vacated by the people of 'my culture' to 30'000 people of sense, culture (any culture is better than none) religion, (or none) colour, whatever. That would make me happy. You'd probably be on the first EasyJet to Tomsk with the advanced guard. I would also get gate gourmet, staffed by Asian dinner ladies to prepare 30'000 multiculti lunchboxes for you all.
Halal, curry, I can't get enough of it, and when I lived in Glasgow down your way, I didn't get enough of it.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:22:55
133 Jock Tamson, Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 17:14:04

Ah sarcasm!

That's rule 3 of the handbook.
Rather than deal with the substantive point attack the person making it.
Osama Saeed would be proud of you.
You're getting a bit predictable though.





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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:26:05
135 Wee Fifer, Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:21:52

Wow - and you called me bonkers... ha ha ha
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:26:20
137 Sterotypical
If you actually made any substantive points, maybe people would deal with them. It's difficult having to decipher incoherent rants.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:26:50
138 - read 137
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 17:27:08
Ralph and Rolf Righteous, Upper Twee, Barking, aka doggin'it and Rufus T Firefly are a hoot.

132. Do you think I have never been to Glasgow? Do you think I could not get to Tollcross in 25 minutes from my home, when I worked there last year?

Do you think the Scottish Chip shop there did not exist? Do you think I have never stayed in digs in and around Glasgow? Had to eat from take aways every Mon-Thurs night?

Do you think I cannot transfer money abroad from my internet banking? Do you you think that when Gaelic children entered a school 100 years ago 90% of them could speak English?

You, pal, come over as a complete Stressed Eric.

btw. Left the 100 year old thing for you to split hairs over.
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Wee Fifer,

edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:28:23
139 Stereotypical
Ha - Just thinking outside the box.
Have to agree with the Spook that you are just drawing attention to yourself
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:30:01
140 Wee Fifer, Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:26:20

To be completely honest I doubt you actually understand what I am saying.
You have invested so much of your life in your political philosophy and outlook - to being 'right on' and to NOT being seen as racist.

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Govanhill,

Govanhill 20/07/2008 17:30:15
Stereotypical Glaswegian I understand you. Living in Govanhill, your so called "incoherant rants" make perfect sense to me. Once again, maybe people like Wee Fifer should take a walk along Allison St, Govanhill, Glasgow.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:33:18
142 - read 144
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:37:14
145
I'm perfectly familiar with Govanhill, Glaswegians don't have a monopoly on knwledge of Glasgow - they're not in any way unique you know.
144 Stereotypical
You're right that it took me a while to get where you are coming from, like I say you are hardly coherent, but it evenutally emerged. Nothing to do with political philosophy, just a bit of conceptual clarity.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 17:39:18
oh dear. the typical weegie at 146 has taken the h u m p.

He can't even be bothered to name people in his posts and nobody understands him.

Diddums.

Oh dear. It seems that h u m p is unsuitable to the automaton retard. Better not upset the camels.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:40:53
147 - meaningless sophistry.


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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:41:10
148
Well Jock, it can't be helped - simple responses for simple people.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:41:59
148 - simple insult - meaningless in the context of the discussion.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:43:44
149:
You talked about substantive points - how do you expect to make any when you mix up all your concepts and get things confused. Maybe a bit of political education would do you good.
I don't think that I can be accused of political correctness if I am advocating your deportation rather than farmiing you out to incapacity benefit.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:45:03
Spook in Leith
Spook, how is the SNP campaign going?
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Doggin'it1707,

20/07/2008 17:45:20
There are two main principles that the bad as each other parties the SNP and the Labour party hold when it come to cultures and the rights of said culture.

Rule 1: The British/Scottish christian culture and practices may be offensive to those who live in Britain/Scotland for financial reasons.

Solution 1: Provide a small grant to build a few churches or gardens from other cultures if those wanting can raise the lions share.

SNP/Labour lunatic annex: Pay for them all and pay for many. Ban the teaching of our own culture in schools, stop all council funding for Cristmas. Spend £100,000s translating out of English (not just in necessary A&E) but also pointless websites. Provide free english language classes whil cancelling funding for the sciences education.

Rule 2: See rule 1.

Technicality just one rule, but such is its importance we must learn it twice.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:46:15
152 - I certainly haven't had your 'political education' - you come to heel at the snap of the fingers.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 17:46:24
Started scratching the surface and the underlying racism is starting to come out.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:50:50
Jock 157
That's the tactic - bleat on about democracy and multiculturalism. And they always go on about Govanhill and it's all the immigrants' fault, like it was some paradise way back when.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 17:51:40
Started scratching the surface and the underlying banality is starting to come out.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

20/07/2008 17:53:18
Well what about that local sports team, eh?
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:53:18
158 Spook
Great - and if the Times article by Penning is anything to go by Labour's campaign isn't exactly inspiring the troops.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 17:54:24
160 Stereotypical
Ooooh - Banaaal is it? Big word for you!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 17:55:45
If you're paranoid, the automaton retard is the word censor which gets switched on when the moderator goes to the pub.

As for those impolite people who cannot have the decency to address a numbered posting by the poster's name....
..... well, ignorance.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 17:59:11
Naw, Wee Fifer, 159, all I did was mention that Glasgow didn't have a monopoly on multiculturalism and then they started letting the mask slip. I just went along with their game.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

20/07/2008 18:02:57
I am deeply wounded by you comments.
My life will never be the same again.
Etc., Etc.

Must dash - I have work to go to and am a bit behind.
See you all in the funny papers.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 18:08:12
167. Bye Stereotypical Glaswegian. Hey, do me a favour and get a shorter troll name tomorrow for the funny paper. And we all know what that's called.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 18:13:03
Talking of the funny papers - wonder how many copies of SOS were sold in Glasgow East today.

Also wonder why Dave Maddox seems to have taken over a lot of Hamishes duties as Lord Wha Wha for the Scotsman.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 18:13:55
169 it was. (just for reference)
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Sideshow Bob,

20/07/2008 18:17:29
#142 Jock Tamson

All children are born with the ability to speak God's language (English).

It is only the indoctrination that foreign parents subject them to, that masks that simple truth.

Proof of this; not that any is required, can be seen in the fact that a higher percentage of foreigners can speak English than vice versa, despite the fact that on the whole we British are much more intelligent than them.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 18:21:58
#164 What are you talking about?
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Sideshow Bob,

20/07/2008 18:24:38
#173

I think he is a shiiite!
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Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 18:26:49
#158 Who are the political professors?
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Independencenoo,

Glasgow 20/07/2008 18:30:48
Is it true this newly funded organisation is run by a SNP Parliamentary candidate, his missus, his cousin, his brother, his grannie, his grannie's second cousin and variety of other SNP staffers and activists? If so, I shall be writing to Alex to enquire where my money is. I am livid after 20 years of stuffing envelopes for the SNP and fighting for the cause of Freedom. I want public money too - surely if anyone deserves it I do. I will set up an organisation to further our cause - no worries - and for a lot less than £215,000. Scotland free by 93.
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Sideshow Bob,

20/07/2008 18:30:53
#164

The last word in my post #174 can not be spelt with 2xi, which was my intention, any more than it can be with 1xi.

Conclusion : The Robot dude is a racist Islamophobe.

As is befitting for an employee of this Newspaper, or any other in the Free World for that matter.
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Sideshow Bob,

20/07/2008 18:36:37
176 The Spook in Leith

You forgot to list The Dark Side, Alfred E. Neuman or Rufus T. Firefly.
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Independencenoo,

Glasgow 20/07/2008 18:41:09
#180 Plook in Leith.

Aye it's riveting for sure. Who would have thought our Great Leader would be a cash for cronies man? Apparently he was oot and aboot on Shettleston Road yesterday in a car driven by a couple of the folk from SIF. How cosy eh?

Look, I just want my public money please. I'm more SNP and Scottish than anyone else, so I deserve it. I can also procure votes too.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 18:41:44
Trolls can feel free to talk amongst themselves for now with impunity. It boosts the number of clich throughs but adds nothing to the debate.

God's language mein Arsch
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Sideshow Bob,

20/07/2008 18:45:05
182 The Spook in Leith,

I think he was eaten by Kimba, but I suppose he deserves a posthumous mention in dispatches.
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Independencenoo,

Glasgow 20/07/2008 18:46:53
#184 - Jock Strapson
#185 - Plook of Leith

Aye as you keep saying it's riveting fir sure.

You two tubes aren't contributing much substance - head in the sand eh? Is it because you've bith got public money tae? If so we need to know, because I want some tae.

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Sideshow Bob,

20/07/2008 18:49:23
#184

SPEAK ENGLISH....Dumkopff!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 18:56:06
Spook, 189, wheesht - it's troll time. Just sit back and enjoy the comedy.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

20/07/2008 18:57:15
#177 Ah the Sunday Express.

That is okay then. That newspaper has no political axe to grind so you must be taking great comfort in the fact that the Snp will win on Thursday then.

Do you have any special celebratory parties planned?

Alternatively have a look at William Hills or Ladbrokes websites.

Two websites which do not reflect any political allegiances.

On there you will see that there is a higher chance of Nicola Sturgeon winning Miss World than there is of an Snp victory on Thursday.
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Knuckleheid the freedom fighter: Free by '93,

20/07/2008 18:59:30
If it is true that wee 'eck and his Islam pals have been stealing. I want his hands cut off at IslamFest.
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Knuckleheid the freedom fighter: Free by '93,

20/07/2008 19:00:15
This IslamFest that is costing £215,000 smackeroos? Will there be any cross amputee victims so we call all rubberneck at God's will?
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Knuckleheid the freedom fighter: Free by '93,

20/07/2008 19:04:00
I went to Blackpool once, I threw wet sponges at my old man.

Will there be any adulterous Mothers there, I have never stoned someone before. Looking forward to it.

How about female castration? Can we read that it is as relevant as circumcision?
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Knuckleheid the freedom fighter: Free by '93,

20/07/2008 19:05:29
I do hope it will a balanced festival. Glasgow really needs 5 extra police officers if there is a spare 200k.

But as 1,000 have already been delivered (Scotland's top priotiy) there is a bit of extra money swilling around for frippery.
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Knuckleheid the freedom fighter: Free by '93,

20/07/2008 19:05:39
no
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 19:08:00
And now for a short commercial break brought to you by Slab.

God save our gracious Slab
Long live our noble Slab
God save the Slab

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Sideshow Bob,

20/07/2008 19:21:53
Knuckleheid the freedom fighter: Free by '93,

An Anti-Scot of some years standing....Death to the Sylvanians eh?
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Govanhill,

20/07/2008 19:31:56

Multiculturism Alex Salmond style

Sell Aberdeen to Donald Trump
Sell Glasgow to Osama Saheed

Don't feel left out Jock Strapson and Plook of Leith, he will find a buyer for Edinburgh before he declares Scotland Independednt
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 19:49:15
Anyone familiar with the music of Handel?
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Lady in waiting,

Glenrothes 20/07/2008 20:06:17
not agree with scottish minister about this!!!!!!!
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Calummac,

20/07/2008 20:09:17
I was looking for my post from last week until I eventually realised that it is actually a re-hash of last weeks "investigation".

Funny that the Sunday Herald seems to have paid little notice?

Eddie, you are in a priviliged position so stop showing such a blatant bias.

You are in danger of being the newspaper that cried wolf - when sometjing actually does merit an investigation noone will believe you as the Scotsman and SoS have lost such credibility. Just compare Kenny Farquarson to Iain Macwhirter to show how inferior SoS is.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 20:14:22
ColB @ 217. No. Apparently (you need to be able to understand the German version of the same story in Wikipedia) one of the Englishmen involved with God Save The King was a student of Handel's. Handel also spent a lot of time in the English court of George twa.

There is also a link to a Swiss military march regarding the tune. When I was in Germany they told me it was a central European folk tune.

Just trying to find out.
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Jock Tamson,

Scitland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 20:27:18
Hmmm, ColB, 225, haven't heard that song since the Irish showbands toured Scotland. Trying to remember the scansion.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 20:32:17
ColB. Also mentioned that Handel and Bach were linked. Did a youtube rearch afound a piece that oviously has influences of them both.

Anyway the culture available on youtube is better than that which grows on the walls of the premises infested by Slabour politicians and voters.
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brownlie,

20/07/2008 20:52:43
225 ColB

By golly, Colonel, you're in fine voice tonight. You fairly set my feet tapping!
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brownlie,

20/07/2008 21:24:05
231 Bird

Did you record "Mulligan's Tyres" with Wings??
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 20/07/2008 21:45:17
This has been a 3rd-rate attack from a 4th-rate newspaper.

Any ammunition left in the locker Mr. Barnes ? Or are you left now with nothing but the LIT pea-shooter ??? Go ahead make my day ... lets see Mondays Scotsman leads with "Fresh Blow To SNP On Local Income Tax" (again...) for the 23rd day in a row ;-)))
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Here Today HBOS Tomorrow,

20/07/2008 22:01:30
Well as a near lifelong member of the SNP if I find they are giving money to support religious super states of any kind I will cancel my membership and its associated fee. Religion should receive no funding from the state.

As a child I believed in Santa, if I suddenly claim he is likely to set up terrorist groups can I also get cash? After all he is a hardline Christian who has the power to drop things on to and into every building on earth, which is arguably far more powerful than Bin Laden.


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Independencenoo,

Glasgow 20/07/2008 22:27:33
Bird of Prey - mair like a wee spuggie on speed.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 23:13:48
Bird of Prey.

What a Joke. You want me to spell it out for you don't you? OK. It's P U S.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/07/2008 23:16:08
244 was in reference to 232.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 20/07/2008 23:46:41
More Unionist fear. Fear that Glasgow east is slipping away. I smell panic!
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Free by '93,

20/07/2008 23:54:50
The first 15 years of independence have been great. Now that Scotland's all sorted out we can celebrate with an Islamic party. What could be more Scottish?

Here's to another 15 glorious years, I would never go back to the Union.

 

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