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Published Date: 08 November 2009
FIRST Minister Alex Salmond has hit out at "secret plans" to axe a vital rail service between Scotland and London.
The UK government takes over the direct service between Glasgow and King's Cross on the East Coast Main Line next week and will end it in December next year.

This prompted an angry reaction from the SNP leader yesterday as he campaigned in the Gla
sgow North East by-election, accusing Labour of "deceit" and claiming the decision would damage the Scottish economy.

The First Minister said: "This secret plan to slash one of Glasgow's main connections to London, a connection that is vital for business, for tourism and for employment, is a clear sign that Labour continue to take Glasgow and Glasgow voters for granted.

"It is the deceit at the heart of their campaign."

The two governments have been at loggerheads over recent attacks on the Scottish Government's decision to scrap a rail link between Glasgow airport and the city centre.

Salmond said: "Labour's London transport minister has spent two days lecturing the Scottish Government about an unaffordable airport link, when all along his department was set to axe an important and existing service to and from Glasgow."

John Mason, the SNP MP for Glasgow East, joined in the attack, accusing Labour of "hypocrisy" in its criticisms.

"These plans, which have been made without any consultation, are a serious mistake and must be stopped in their tracks," he said.

The proposed changes to the timetables to have also been criticised by Passenger Focus, which has demanded that an alternative arrangement be made to "take up the slack" and ensure direct services from Glasgow to the north of England continue.

James King, Scottish board member of the body, said: "Withdrawing these services is only acceptable if another operator can be found to provide connectivity between Glasgow and the north-east of England as far as York. We would want to be reassured another operator can pick up the slack."

Although there is no official statement on any replacement, there have been suggestions that Arriva Cross Country could take up some of the services lost in the new timetable by extending the service operated from Glasgow along part of the East Coast Main Line as far as York. That would only leave destinations in the south-east of England without a direct connection to Glasgow. The proposed change comes just days after the Department for Transport (DfT) announced that a government-owned company, East Coast, would be taking over services on the route after National Express handed back the operation of the franchise, having suffered a revenue crisis due to declining passenger numbers.

The changes have been discussed between the DfT, Network Rail and other interested parties. However, a DfT source insisted no timetabling changes had been proposed to the UK transport secretary Lord Adonis, whose approval would be required.

However, the timetabling changes, which were discussed yesterday at a stakeholder event in London hosted by National Express, are said not to be directly linked to the temporary nationalisation of the franchise. Network Rail said: "Passenger train timetables are devised by government and by train operators."



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1

MJD,

Glasgow 08/11/2009 00:28:04
#1: You know a cybernat argument is weak when they have to mention the, admittedly deplorable war effort in Iraq. If you're going to make a point, at least make it relevant.

Whilst I agree that it is hypocritical of Labour to criticise the SNP for cancelling GARL, the nats are also in no position to complain about the cancellation of the Glasgow East Coast link. In fact I think it is a good idea to cancel it - who in their right mind would choose a 7 hour journey to Kings Cross on a slow and tired service? Besides, there is already ample connections to London using Virgin, but then again it is often cheaper, and for some more convenient, to fly.
2

MJD,

08/11/2009 00:45:07
#4,5: You need a map. You're getting Iraq and Afghanistan confused. The latter being the legal war involving Nato and the UN.

But exactly what relevance does any of this have in relation to the article? Has the war in Afghanistan directly affected the decision to cancel the East Coast service? Did it have any affect on the SNP deciding to cancel GARL, in the middle of a recession which could have provided much needed capital investment and create hundreds of Jobs? Thought not.
3

Labour Lies,

08/11/2009 00:45:46

4 Samuel Nathanial

Please don’t mention that the Labour Party abolished the 10p tax rate making the poor even poorer.

Please also don’t point out that the gap between rich and poor is now even wider than what it was under the Tories.

I don’t even want to mention the poverty that people are faced with in Glasgow NE as this might highlight that the Labour Party have been treating Glaswegians as mugs and we don’t want to do that do we.
4

frank mcbride,

lusitania 08/11/2009 00:53:27
#6, MJD.

Direct relationship? Yes!!!

The monies and lives being wasted in Afganistan could be put to a better purpose at home.

The monies being spent in Afganistan would have allowed GARL, and many other much needed projects, to go ahead, both in Scotland and the other parts of these islands.

Or perhaps you believe it would have been better spent on some other militaristic venture.
5

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 08/11/2009 01:45:10
Another own goal for Labour.

How stupid do they think Glasgow is ?
6

Jimbo2,

08/11/2009 02:14:48
#9

"How stupid do they think Glasgow is ?"

As long as they keep voting Labour, Labour will keep taking them for mugs.

7

The Answer,

Glasgow 08/11/2009 02:16:15
Who is going to pay for this link after independence?

or are the scots expecting the weekly dole handout from England to continue after independence?
8

walter,

08/11/2009 02:56:06
The First Minister said: "This secret plan to slash one of Glasgow's main connections to London, a connection that is vital for business, for tourism and for employment.
What is this Salmond admitting that Scotland needs London?
Anyway that is irrelevant what about the London Euston to Glasgow line, that will still exist.
This is one line to Glasgow from London not all links from London to Scotland.
9

mark mccann,

08/11/2009 03:22:33
11 & 12 What a pair of pathetic idiots you are, actually, you're probably the same person, Walter? The Answer? Come on, admit it! Your sitting in yer wee room agreeing with yourself.

If we're so dependent on England, then why are they so reluctant to let us go? Hmmm?
Why are the Tories, who are universally hated in Scotland, so desperate to hang on to us? Can you answer that?

Is it because they love dear old Bonnie Scotland and don't want to see it going down the pan?

It can't be anything so shallow as the billions of pounds of oil we've got, could it?

Noooo! Couldn't be that, after all they subsidise us don't they? What a kind, caring bunch they are!

What a pair of naive numties you are.

Nighty night, sweet dreams, don't let those nasty Nats bite!
10

Lamington,

Manchester 08/11/2009 03:23:38
Withdrawing the Glasgow - Kings Cross service will bring benefits to both Glasgow and Edinburgh. It will free up capacity at Glasgow Central for a more frequent Glasgow to Euston service. It will enable trains to be turned round quickly at Waverley to provide a more reliable - and frequent - service between the capital's.

But why let this get in the way of people wishing to score political points, eh ?
11

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/11/2009 05:04:24
#3 CJD

" In fact I think it is a good idea to cancel it - who in their right mind would choose a 7 hour journey to Kings Cross on a slow and tired service? "

In typical unionist fashion you think UK consists of only 2 places, London (where the sun shines out of everybody's bottom) and the rest.

The East Coast Service might be handy for anyone trying to go from Glasgow to Newcastle, York or any of the other places on the east coast that are not London.
12

Observer,,

Glasgow 08/11/2009 06:34:07
Some people on here appear to be daft. There are two routes the now because people want to go to different places. Like d'oh. That's why there are two routes and now they want to take one away.

A tad more inconveniencing than a rail link to an airport that isn't necessary and hasn't been built anyway.

13

Age of Reason,

Aberdeen 08/11/2009 08:22:26
3 and many other bandwagon-jumpers - you miss the point - the ECML service to Glasgow is not intended to take passengers from London - that is WCML's job. There are many other places of great importance on the ECML and None of Us wants to have to travel South to get North.
But there are diamonds in this mire - the electrification of ECML to Glasgow was used to justify reducing the servicelevel on ECML to its core customers on the scottish east coast, which was not included, as paths in/through Edin Waverley were limited.
Now that bottleneck has been eased, we should get fast electric trains to Aberdeen, with connections to Glasgow airport.
14

Age of Reason,

Aberdeen 08/11/2009 08:29:12
The more I read this mush the curioser I get. This Hootsmon Reporter Brown is always missing the point. There is no proposal to AXE any service - that word is journalistic hyperbole.
What is suggested is that we accept the obvious - viz that London-centric management sees remoteness from London as 'BAD'. So a better operator will be chosen to run services from York northward to Glasgow. That would be a GOOD THING.
Look at the success of 'Grand Central' in reviving direct Tyne/Tees services to south - who better to provide rejuvenated services north???
15

Galletlysouth,

England 08/11/2009 08:42:13
But, as the SNP never tires of telling us, Scotland should be a proud independent country. Why would they want or need rail links to England?
16

Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 08/11/2009 08:51:37
Re 19: because regardless of how we're governed, people will still need or want to get from place to place. What an utterly stupid question.

Re #15 : "The East Coast Service might be handy for anyone trying to go from Glasgow to Newcastle, York or any of the other places on the east coast that are not London"

Exactly.
17

Mc Max ,

08/11/2009 09:14:18
19.
What a ridiculous comment.
18

James the Pie,

08/11/2009 09:15:55
Here is another story SoS seems to have missed!

From The Observer,

"Gordon Brown stands accused today of misleading the public over his much-vaunted plans to help young people through the recession. Leaked documents show the government is planning drastic cuts for its flagship plan to train a new generation of apprentices.

Confidential papers obtained by The Observer show that, while Brown and his ministers have suggested they are raising investment in training, skills and apprenticeships, behind the scenes they are preparing some £350m of cuts for 2010-11 that will slash the number of training places on offer by hundreds of thousands.

Last night business groups, unions and opposition parties accused the government of duping young people – and businesses that train them in return for state help with funding – into believing it is investing more during the downturn, when the reverse is the case."
19

mr broon,

Edinburgh 08/11/2009 09:16:58
Meanwhile, £88 million is being spent on a new Eurostar Terminal at Stratford with direct trains to Brussels and Paris. Over £70 million is being spent on upgrading the Docklands Light Railway, and £120 on a new Thames Road Bridge, all for the London Olympics.

(Source: London Olympics 2012 website)
20

James the Pie,

08/11/2009 09:18:26
#19 Galletlysouth, England

You've won today's prize for the most inane comment on these or any other boards.

Easy to see why the rotten, corrupt and thoroughly discredited union is in it's death throes.
21

Richard M,

Scottish Raj 08/11/2009 09:20:17
These "Consultations" take place on a regular basis across the rail network, and it is not an individual sleight to Glasgow. And to be fair, in the old BR days they would just have gone ahead and made the changes without asking anybody.

The criticism in this case is more that the consultation is premature. On the one hand it is true that the ECML service between Edinburgh and Glasgow via Motherwell is both much slower and less frequent than via Falkirk, but on the other that there are passengers travelling to northern England who use this service. Other options between Glasgow and Edinburgh have yet to come on stream such as the Airdrie - Bathgate re-opening or electrification via Falkirk. If the Glasgow - Kings Cross service is to be withdrawn an acceptable high speed, high comfort replacement needs to be proposed between Glasgow, Newcastle and York
22

lulach mac gille coemgain,

08/11/2009 09:37:38
Of course they will axe rail services - PETER MANDELSON has vested interests in baa !
23

GMCD,

08/11/2009 10:08:38
This "cut" does not exist...and the SNPites whine about Labour political posturing...a made-up outrage is the best that they can do in by-election week!!!!!
24

Alice Cooper,

08/11/2009 10:41:18
want to see the result of 75 years of labour mps being always voted in ,in glasgow ,watch this
they may be glaswegians ,but they are human beings and deserve better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kls37DqxjG8&feature=fvw
25

The Tin Man,

08/11/2009 11:18:31
Changing trains at Waverley = 'SNP blasts Labour plan to axe rail service'

Christ.
26

Orlando,

08/11/2009 11:29:01
Hilarious. The Labour party in Glesca were up in armns over the plans to cancel the wasteful and uneconomic Glasgow Airport Rail Link, and now here they are making cutbacks on the far more critical national trunk route lines. They want to have their cake and eat it, obviously!
27

Conan the Librarian™,

08/11/2009 12:57:02
28
Watched the vid Alice, it had 666 comments...
28

Observer,,

Glasgow 08/11/2009 15:16:15
31 the number of the beast. Let's hope no one makes any more comments.

I can only repeat what I said earlier that some folks on here appear to be daft. Trains get you from A to B the B is not always London: there are two routes for a reason and the article clearly states the East coast route will end in December next year and there are no guarantees that anyone will pick it up after that.
29

danbob,

08/11/2009 15:31:28
30 Critical rail link my backside. The number of passengers using the Glasgow - Kings cross service at 13.50 out of central last Friday would have fit in the back of a black cab. It wasn't till Edinburgh that it got full. If you take a comparison with the 13.40 pendolino service on the WCML. This trains in Carlisle before the EC service has arrived in Edinburgh, It's at Preston before the EC service has crossed the border, and it's in London 1hr 20 earlier as well. All this and the 13.50 ECML is the fastest of the day on that line.
30

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08/11/2009 15:38:14
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 08/11/2009 17:00:18
#33 I dont think anyone is saying that travellers would wish to travel from Glasgow to London by the East Coast, but I would imagine there might be some who wish to travel from Glasgow to Newcastle or to York.
32

morris,

edinburgh 08/11/2009 18:19:15
19 Apart from being a brain dead numpty comment anyway,even if it were true it would be equally true in the case of England to Scotland which would make the three Unionist parties as stupid as you accuse the SNP of being .Clearly the only stupid one is YOU.
33

morris,

edinburgh 08/11/2009 18:25:59
27 Whilst it remains to be seen what level of fact lies behind this claim,clearly you could not possibly know for sure that it does not exist !
Or is that too joined up for you?

You can suspect something exists.You can even suspect it does not exist BUT YOU CANNOT KNOW IT DOES NOT EXIST.If you cannot work out why then that says all we need to know about you.
34

morris,

edinburgh 08/11/2009 18:41:14
I am sure it was Sweden who had a similar problem a few years ago now and the entire network was requiring ever increasing subsidies.Then one member suggested trying a new approach called reduce the fares instead of always increasing them ! The network was profitable within months because people could afford trains.Instead of looking at closures why dont we look at sacking the idiots who have been running the line into the ground starting with BROWN CLOWN DROWNING in DOWNING.
35

rpb,

08/11/2009 18:51:24
just out of interest...does the west coast mainline end at edinbugh? If not shouldn't the press be writing about the scandal of the west coast main line service not running to the east?
36

museum attendant,

glasgow 08/11/2009 21:05:54
that will be glasgows union divvy then will it.
the contriteness of this bunch of shitheads is staggering.
37

Tevie,

Glasgow 08/11/2009 23:16:33
The need to modernise Glasgows rail and underground systems should have been done years ago. What were the
Union partys doing. Sitting on their Asses as usual.
38

tartangladbach,

edinburgh 08/11/2009 23:59:36
22 jimmy? sounds like mandy's starting to exit brown before the election? NEXT!
39

Lamington,

Manchester 09/11/2009 14:17:38
Use the ' slots' at Glasgow Central freed up by the withdrawal of the Kings Cross service for additional Euston services. As for services between Glasgow and NE England/Yorkshire, run a new service between Glasgow and Leeds - say every two hours. Run it from Queen Street ,using one of the Glasgow - Edinburgh paths if no new path is free. Scotrail or TPE could operate this.This will give Falkirk a cross border link and will provide a faster link between Glasgow and NE England than the current service trundling its way through Carstairs and Midcalder.
40

Hobbe,

09/11/2009 15:51:43
The Scotsman reports the axing of rail lines positively for labour but implicates the SNP when it feels like it...cos there is an election on, a by election in labour's safest seat, yet still reporting the facts and having real comparisons scares our pseudo Scottish journalists and media.

They let Scotland dowmn.

 

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