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Published Date: 16 November 2008
THE Scottish Parliament may have been established to bring politicians closer to the people, but a minority of its representatives would rather avoid the great unwashed when it comes to travelling by train.
A Scotland on Sunday survey has revealed that more than 10% of our MSPs regularly travel first class as they commute from their constituencies to Holyrood.

Frequent first-class travellers from Glasgow to Edinburgh include Labour MSPs Wendy Alexan
der, the former leader; Bill Butler; Patricia Ferguson; Trish Godman, Charlie Gordon; Ken McIntosh; Frank McAveety, Pauline McNeill; and Irene Oldfather.

According to their 2007/08 expenses claims, they all spent £610 on a flexipass that enables them to make 50 first-class journeys, eschewing the cheaper £393 standard-class option. Ferguson, who is married to Butler, bought two first-class flexipasses enabling her to make 100 journeys in the lap of luxury.

The taste for the high life was not confined to Labour. Annabel Goldie, the Conservative leader, has claimed expenses for 26 journeys between Edinburgh to either Glasgow or Bishopton, forking out £29.80 for a first-class return ticket rather than the £16.90 standard-class option.

A Conservative spokesman said: "Back in 1999, Annabel travelled in standard class and found it impossible to read briefs and deal with parliamentary business with any degree of privacy. She travels first class because this enables her to work on the train."

But the explanation failed to placate Mark Wallace of the Taxpayers' Alliance. "If MSPs would like to travel first class, they should be willing to top up standard-class season tickets out of their own money. With MSPs able to insulate themselves from the true cost of rail travel ... it is little wonder they often don't seem to understand the problems ordinary people face paying sky-rocketing prices."

Another one of Scotland's 129 MSPs to splash out on a £610 flexipass was Robert Brown, the Liberal Democrat MSP for Glasgow. He also cited the need to work on confidential papers in privacy as a reason for first-class travel.

Government ministers and eight senior civil servants are also entitled to use limousines. The most recent figures show that the SNP Scottish Government's six cabinet secretaries plus the transport minister made 1,700 limo trips over a six-month period. In June Alex Salmond, the First Minister, was criticised when he took both a chauffeur-driven car and plane to Manchester to see Rangers in the Uefa Cup Final. He flew down, but had already sent a limo ahead to pick up the tickets and drive him back.

Of the major parties, the SNP appeared more willing to slum it – although Brian Adam, the SNP MSP for Aberdeen North, bought five £73 first-class return tickets to Aberdeen and Andrew Welsh, the SNP member for Angus, took a couple of first-class trips to Arbroath.

A SNP spokesman said: "The first-class section offers them the opportunity to work in an environment that helps protect the confidentiality of constituents' cases."





The full article contains 509 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 15 November 2008 7:11 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Politicians' expenses
 
1

Rufus T. Firefly,

15/11/2008 22:15:59
"A SNP spokesman said: "The first-class section offers them the opportunity to work in an environment that helps protect the confidentiality of constituents' cases."

What nonsense, people can just as easily sit next to in first clas as any other class.
2

Warden An' All, Reborn,

16/11/2008 00:13:00
No one is saying they are not allowed to, but I do think those of the snp should be placed into the baggage car.
3

truthsleuth,

16/11/2008 00:13:07
We have the class system on trains
politicians bless their little hearts are simply representative of the people they represent.




Whats the private car mileage rate for MSPs.??
4

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 00:13:12
Is this it ? As I can't comment on the SH I thought I'd see what this paper was all about. Gaddam train fares ? What p1sh. There are stories to be discussed, but not here.
5

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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 00:16:25
Where is the opportunity to talk about the Al Megrahi case or the fact that Labour have now unconditionally acknowledged China's absolute authority over Tibet ? It seems the media are closing all the doors. Train fares. Flags. Like who cares ?
7

Breezy,

16/11/2008 00:27:35
The taste for the high life was not confined to Labour. Annabel Goldie, the Conservative leader, has claimed expenses for 26 journeys between Edinburgh to either Glasgow or Bishopton, forking out £29.80 for a first-class return ticket rather than the £16.90 standard-class option.

As there is no first class travel on the Bishopton line, was poor old Annabel done ? Surely not !

Headline shouls have read: British rail rips off pensioner !
8

Fifi la Bonbon,

16/11/2008 00:30:14
I don't see any problem about MSPs, of whatever party, travelling first class. And anything that provokes the faked indignation of The Taxpayer's Alliance, that first port of call for a lazy reporter in search of a quote, is fine by me. I seriously doubt if senior executives of directors of The Johnston Press travel in anything but first class.
9

Dav,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 00:38:30
Limousines? LOL Another overstatement.
10

subrosa,

16/11/2008 01:08:39
Did I happen to read something semi-positive about the SNP in this article?

Observer, yes it's a shame we can't comment on the SH especially with the lead story where George Foulkes has been up to his letter writing again. Time the SNP found out where the brown envelopes were going in the previous 10 or 9 years.
11

Jock MacSprog,

16/11/2008 02:13:45
anyone who has been in the so called "first class" compartment on Scotrail (or whatever it is called these days) will laugh at the characterisation the journalist uses of "lap of luxury". Its a joke actually. Aside from the glass door, a free cup of tea and shortbread, there is no difference. A colosal waste of money.
12

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 16/11/2008 03:51:56
Fisrt Class on Scotrail is probably only ever used by those already on the gravy train, ie the taxpayer's free ride.
13

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 16/11/2008 04:14:53
This is another non-story, the truth being that you can not get a seat on a train in Scotland unless you book one which means planning your journey beforehand.
Attempting to turn up to travel by rail in this country is a no! No! even booking a seat still does not guarantee you that seat, the amount of times I have had to ask the persons sitting in my booked seat to move and the subsequent abuse I have had to endure makes rail travel intolerable.
I also question the rail company’s ability to provide adequate travel accommodation, whilst travelling recently to Edinburgh, I boarded a train that had left Aberdeen with 95% of the seats booked from Aberdeen, the train travelling 15 minutes beforehand was already overfilled when it arrived, as a result at all subsequent stops there was no accommodation available.
So I again from personal experience see no problem in an MSP travelling by first class train travel in Scotland at least they might have a seat during their journey.
14

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 07:15:03
If second class is not good enough then MSPs should have to pay the difference out of their own pockets.
How much work has any MSP done on a forty minute journey from Glasgow to Edinburgh anyway.
Remember Jo Grimond ? He used to sit and chat to his constituents on flights between Aberdeen and Shetland. Only an hour or so each way but he picked up the real concerns of the voters.
15

Walter Ego,

Durness 16/11/2008 07:28:50
Where is the control from our SNP government? They should ban first class travel for all MSPs.
16

We are responsible for ourselves.,

16/11/2008 07:40:39
What a contrast, seven first class tickets for two SNP members representing North East constituencies versus
HUNDREDS from N I N E Labour MSP's representing West of Scotland.

Labour noses firmly in the trough.

17

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 16/11/2008 08:48:16
Is this the solitary "politics" article in the SoS this week? There may be trouble ahead...............
18

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 08:59:53
Unwashed and uneducated.Try taking a number 18 bus from Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, sit yourself down en route to leafy Colinton and you will hear a non-stop torrent of four-letter words, routinely employed by young men dressed in Burberry baseball hats and communicating (sic) on their mobile phones.Grunting on their mobile phones would be a more apt description of their monkey,jungle-like chatter. We must not expose our highly-regarded MSPs to this type of wanton behaviour. They deserve better and should be allowed to isolate themselves from dirty, ignorant louts on all forms of public transport.
19

We are responsible for ourselves.,

16/11/2008 09:23:03
#20 Sorry Ninian, I thought you were describing the Labour front bench team there...
20

The_Reiver,

16/11/2008 10:08:27
MSP= member of the Scottish establishment.
Don't be duped- they think they're a cut above the rest of us. The real struggle is still the class struggle and none of them are 1st class.
21

Queen D,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 10:09:19
I have just been given an error message along the lines of you have submitted too many messages from the SH, interesting since I have not posted for some time on their boards.
22

JimboJimbo,

16/11/2008 10:44:51
Rail travel is just one small part of the highlife our elected members enjoy. Let's look at all the housing, entertainment and other expense perks. How about taxing as benefits in kind - that would focus their minds to be a little more economical with our taxpayers money. The rest of us are having to make do in times of financial woe!
23

karin.m,

16/11/2008 11:17:27
the killers of baby P revealed.

http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/


pass it on.
24

Jmhzx,

brighton 16/11/2008 12:12:43
"the lap of luxury"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr Peterkin obviously hasn't travelled with Scotrail express before, in any class.
25

Sanny,

Glasgow and Algarve 16/11/2008 12:46:29
The one thing I dislike most about my native heath is the crass stupidity of the continuing Class War. The Class War is over my friends, it died alongside the Real Labour Movement, now let’s move on.

Before retiring, I frequently traveled on business, mostly I traveled either Business Class (air) or First Class (train). This permitted me to continue working instead of just sitting reading a newspaper. I’ve tried using Economy and Second Class and if all you want is to get from point a to be then it’s OK just don’t try to do any serious work. For business travel the Business Class is good value for money. I would suggest the Railway looks at the facilities provided in Air Business Class to encourage more use by businessmen.

My boss used a chauffeur driven car on business travel; I suppose that too would get up the noses of the great unwashed. Again this was very cost effective. The value of the work he did in the car was far greater than the combined value of both the car and the driver.

Value for money should be the criteria in judging this expense. I would rather that my MP was working on state business than sitting on his best feature picking his nose!
26

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 13:11:11
Quite right that our MSPs shouldn't have to mix with hoi polloi. Heaven forbid they should even remotely come into contact with reality,it may give someof them a dose of the vapours. And I doubt that nauseating old charalatan would ever get out of a standard class coach alive. There are enough delays on the tracks without the rozzers having to deal with his putrid remains.
27

We are responsible for ourselves.,

16/11/2008 14:11:45
I'm led to believe that Jackie the Hutt regularly reserves an entire charabanc for her trips betwixt Auld Reekie and Dumbarton.
28

Warden An' All, Reborn,

16/11/2008 14:44:33
When public servants feel they are too good to mix with the ordinary folk it is a poor state of affairs.
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Fred Quimby,

Marbella 16/11/2008 16:17:55
#34

"Hoots" Fandango!

How dare you

It is we who are the great unwashed!!

Go eat garlic!
33

Fred Quimby,

16/11/2008 16:19:20
29
We are responsible for ourselves.,
16/11/2008 14:11:45
I'm led to believe that Jackie the Hutt regularly reserves an entire charabanc for her trips betwixt Auld Reekie and Dumbarton.

3 letters

JCB
34

Andrew.,

Oxford 16/11/2008 17:45:48
Well, first of all it's a good sign to see a fair few MSPs travelling by train rather than car.

The return trip by car from Waverley to Glasgow QS is 94 miles according to the AA. Using the "normal" 40p per mile, this would be claimable at £38.80. A 1st class flexipass return journey according to the story works out at £24.40 so there is still a quantifiable saving and, of course, a carbon benefit too.

It's also good to know that MSPs are travelling by train thus will be fully familiar with the service levels their clients also experience.

But...

First class on a 45 minute rail journey? Most commercial businesses will only sanction first class rail travel if the journey exceeds 2 hours *and* there is a clear business need.

Although

Obviously not in this case, but due to the way discounted tickets are allocated there is the odd occasion when it is cheaper to buy a first class advance ticket than a standard.
35

Shamus,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 19:31:49
I agree with Observer.1 This is a rubbish story. MPS and MSPS have always travelled first class. So they get a free cup of tea and a biscuit. At least they know first hand the quality of service being provided.
36

Andrew Buchan,

Kincardineshire 16/11/2008 21:50:03
I do hope Tom Peterkin doesn't have ambitions as an investigative journalist. This moron thinks that first class ScotRail is the "lap of luxury". Investigate that.

As for all the other rubbish spouted on here about MSPs, I'd rather see them using their time productively doing work on a train in relative privacy (yes, you can get seats in first class where no-one sits next to you), than sitting in standard class reading the Daily Retard, or whatever comic is the choice of Weegie Labour MSPs.
37

JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 23:06:49
If they are getting a train they are not in a limo or a taxi. The public should get value from it's politicians but this is a total non-story unless the Scotsman is actually arguing for the abolition of the first class form of travel for railways and planes.

No? I thought not, just having a meaningless whinge about MSP's to push the agenda of 'they are all the same' and increase cynicism about our elected representatives.

What this story actually reveals is that 90% of our MSP's don't even travel first class anyway! So what was the point again?
38

Alan B,

17/11/2008 10:57:43
A few points.

1)if msps want to travel first class they should pay the difference between first class and regualar.

2)Why do we have first class when the trains are suffering from lack of capacity during rush hour.
39

Alan B,

17/11/2008 11:01:09
#JoeMiddleton

If we the ordinary public travel by train to get to wrok we pay. I understand that those that live in non commutable distances should get housing paid but why for regular commutes that we ordinary punters have to pay from our own salaries.

Also if you take the view that we the public should pay for their travel why should we pay for them to travel first class when we are traveling in cattle class. Surely they should pay the difference between first and regualar travel.
40

Man On Corstorphine Omnibus,

Edinburgh 17/11/2008 12:28:21
Butler tries to promote himself as a "real" socialist, so what is he doing travelling first class? Another typical, hypocritical Labour lefty - mouthing socialism while leading bourgeois lifestyles.
41

Richard Lionheart,

28/12/2008 13:24:05
In G B’s new “Global Society” there will be no first or second class,
It will be Political Class or Citizen.

Citizens will walk while the other services will be provided free to the political class!

 

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