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Law favouring male monarchs to be abolished



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Published Date: 20 April 2008
SWEEPING changes to the laws on succession to the throne will be pushed through by the Government, including ending the right of boys to take precedence over older sisters.
Vera Baird, the solicitor-general, who is to help steer a new equality law through the Commons, said last night the entrenched right of males to succeed to the throne ahead of their older sisters was "unfair" and "a load of rubbish".

She added: "I
have always thought that what we have to do with the Royal Family is integrate them as far as possible into the human race."

She also confirmed she wants to repeal the law banning the heir to the throne from marrying a Catholic. "The ban on Catholics should be abolished too, because that is discriminatory," she said.

The single equality bill, to be drafted later this year, will bring together existing laws on sex discrimination, age, race, disability, sexual orientation and religion. The changes will supersede the provisions in the 1701 Act of Settlement.

Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, has indicated his support for the reform in a letter to Lynne Featherstone, Liberal Democrat equality spokeswoman.

He said the quango was "thinking about whether we might look at this further in the context of our thinking on new equality law".

Featherstone said she was optimistic that there was cross-party support for reform. "We can't have a law that is meant to fight Government discrimination and injustice and allow a blatantly sexist law on royal succession to continue," she said.

A change in the law would not alter the current line of succession. However, if Prince William's oldest child was a girl, and he also had a younger son, the daughter would become Queen.

The ban on Catholics, or anyone married to a Catholic, succeeding to the throne has been a constant source of controversy over the years. Leading Roman Catholics have condemned the statute and repeatedly called for it to be repealed.

The late Cardinal Winning condemned the law, calling it "the grubby little secret which still shames our nation".

And in February 2005, Cardinal Keith O'Brien overshadowed an Executive summit on tackling bigotry by describing the Act of Settlement, banning Catholics from the throne, as "hurtful" and demanding the Executive lobby for its repeal.

He said: "It's a matter of regret, surely, that had Mrs Parker Bowles been a Catholic, Prince Charles would have lost the right to succession to the throne and, similarly, if they had been going to have children they would have been excluded from the right of succession, and that's hurtful."

Promulgated in the dying days of the reign of William of Orange, the Act of Settlement was designed to bar from the throne all the Catholic descendants of James II and VII. Anyone who "shall profess the Popish religion or shall marry a Papist" was deemed, in perpetuity, unfit to become King or Queen.

Originally applicable only in England, this piece of institutionalised religious discrimination was extended to Scotland under Article II of the Treaty of Union in 1707 and ratified by the Scottish Parliament.

In recent years, two members of the Royal Family – Prince Michael of Kent and a son of the Duke of Kent – have lost their places in the line of succession because they have married Roman Catholics.

The last time primogeniture – the first-born son taking precedence – was applied in the UK was in 1901 when King Edward VII succeeded to the throne on the death of his mother Queen Victoria.

King Edward had an elder sister, also called Victoria, who would have become Victoria II had siblings been treated equally.

Victoria, the Princess Royal, married the German Kaiser Frederick III. And had she become Queen in her own right in the UK, her son Wilhelm II of Germany would have become King of Great Britain. Wilhelm II was the German Kaiser at the time of the First World War.



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  • Last Updated: 20 April 2008 12:40 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: The Monarchy
 
1

Guga II,

Rockall 20/04/2008 01:28:04
When we get our independence, we can get rid of all these parasites once and for all.
2

Maisie from Morningside,

Morningside 20/04/2008 02:24:14
Will this also apply to Dukes, Earls, Baronets and what have you?
3

Ghostman,

Highland 20/04/2008 04:39:34
been worried about this for years,glad it's being sorted out,now we can get on with issues of the real world,like the next royal wedding or divorce whichever come first.
4

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 20/04/2008 05:47:15
Who gives a dam what happens in a foreign country. In an INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND we will have no truck with blood suckers.
5

yockel,

20/04/2008 06:52:54
Sounds like Vera Baird needs a bit of integrating into the human race.
6

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20/04/2008 07:01:34
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donald,

glasgow 20/04/2008 07:27:07
Equal rights for English Queens.

I suppose this is to clear the way for the Royal who was blackmailed for having gay sex.
8

Biker,

Ayr 20/04/2008 08:48:30
Bunch of parasites. Who cares.
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20/04/2008 10:08:35
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Dileas,

20/04/2008 10:19:42
The only problem with getting rid of the Royal family and its expectation of privilege (whoever else would assume it OK to "borrow" a Chinook to go to a party - and take his brother as well?) is what you replace it with. Retired politicians are surely the least useful presidents with even greater expectation of their privileges. So where do we go from there? The Church? Prominent businessmen? At least that last has achieved something tangible in life.

But the Monarchy does at least provide the opportunity to provide a stable background of political oversight, in which the Queen has excelled. Pity about the heir in waiting - and his. Why can't we have the Princess Royal? She at least seems to have managed to bring up reasonably stable kids. Well, reasonably stable.
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 20/04/2008 10:47:53
Ms. Baird has a point to a certain extent. The notion of male primogeniture does need to be examined. However, her use of language such as 'unfair' and 'a load of rubbish' is hardly reassuring of rational, reasoned debate and consideration.

I'm not convinced of the urgent need to examine the role of the monarchy. I don't think they are that relevant to people on a day to day basis; there are many more important matters to be dealt with.

However, as we read further into the article, we see that the primogeniture debate is really just a trojan horse in which to smuggle in the old chestnut about the bar on RCs succeeding to the British crown being 'discriminatory'

Just be careful what you wish for. The bar on catholics succeeding to the throne is not discriminatory. It was put in place for sound historical, religious and libertarian reasons which applied at the time. It prevented, for all time, a monarch vuknerable to an alien loyalty, namely the papacy. It wasn't done out of spite, nor is it really appropriate to try and project 21st century neo-liberal morality onto historical events.

If you allow an RC to succeed to the throne, (assuming we retain the monarchy, whether in a united Britain or a potentially independent Scotland - but as the SNP won't tell us what kind of independence they favour we can only speculate on that. What have they got to hide?) you have the possibility of the British head of state being subservient to the Bishop of Rome, AND his representatives.

So what that means is the swivel eyed lunatic Keith O'Brien being able to get right into the heart of the political process in this country and influence life for us all on behalf of the Pope.

Is that what you really want? And while she is about it, why doesn't Ms. Baird challenge the rule that allows only men to become Pope? Sauce for the goose and all that...
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20/04/2008 10:48:02
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20/04/2008 10:48:18
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Martin_edinburgh,

Edinburgh 20/04/2008 10:50:08
Aww, little didums Republicans don't like stories like this one do you, poor wee things? Of course, we'd all be so much better with a republican system wouldn't we? You never see Presidents eating up the nation's cash, do you? "The blood sucking colonials and their royal families will never bleed this country dry." PRESIDENT Robert Mugabe
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20/04/2008 10:50:17
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 20/04/2008 10:55:03
Sorry folks. I don't know how my entry got posted four times. I've reported the duplicates to get them removed.
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 20/04/2008 10:56:30
#18 Bob. Bigotry? Define please.
18

Pilrig.,

Livingston 20/04/2008 11:12:38
Time this bigoted nonsense (Act of Settlement) was binned. Who's going to mourn it's passing ? only the Orangepersons and the Wee Free's, and they're hardly representative of us Proddies.
Another thing is that Bambi shied away from reforming the said Act, "too difficult" said he. Unlike launching the country intae war I suppose.
19

Pilrig.,

Livingston 20/04/2008 11:13:42
14 - a tangoman
20

Boy Wonder,

20/04/2008 11:36:01
"Law favouring male monarchs to be abolished."

Howe about we just abolish the Monarchy and all those supercilious titles of the hangers-on completely instead??

I strongly favour us being a democratic republic ... and I am a citizen ... not a subject!

21

Samcafe,

Glasgow 20/04/2008 12:34:02
Seeing as we are on the equality bandwagon and we are doing this nice thing for the womenfolk, can we now expect to see Glasgow City Council not discriminate against me because I am a man; I get fed up finding I am excluded from a municipal gymnasium on certain nights a week because of what is between my legs, or is it because of what's between Bridget mcConnell's ears?
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 20/04/2008 13:12:45
Bob, I think you riposte at #23 was menat for my comment at #12 (I have removed the duplicates 1t 13, 14 and 16).

Any way, you do have to define bigotry or your perception of it. Your contributions seem to consist entirely of intemperate baseless ejaculate, and you do not deviate from that today.

I have examined my post, and I find nothing in it that is not held sincerely, or unreasoned. So try participating fully instead of recycling your smug spoon fed ideas. Think outside the box.
23

Nirvana,

20/04/2008 13:56:24
You don't need Monarchy or all the hangers on. The don't identify with the regular folks. We have to bow to them and not touch their person, lol what a joke. Can't hunt or fish on the land because it belongs to the Monarchy. Unbelievable. Scotland would be better off without them. The do nothing of value for the Scottish people.
24

Andyh,

Scotland 20/04/2008 14:28:18
Everyone who thinks we should abolish the Monarchy are
utter idiots
The Monarchy is part of what makes us British, they may serve no useful purpose but think what it has done for us! Many Kings and Queens have been good and did the best for Britain. Did they do all that just to get told to shove off?

You people make me sick
25

Saoghal Beag,

20/04/2008 15:24:52
does that mean we line them up by age when they come to meet their Russian cousin's end?
26

Saoghal Beag,

20/04/2008 15:27:23
ah Andyh, that's just so sweet of you. i have vision of you in your front room, sipping earl grey from your diana mug and surrounded by your royal memorial plates. hurah for you. what is it your buying into?
27

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 20/04/2008 17:22:45
Come on Bob, make a stand, don't pussyfoot about like some hesitant maiden aunt. Define your terms and use adult discourse.

Throwing about terms like 'crap' 'scumbag' (#17) and 'cesspit' (#18) don't do you any favours.

If you want to deconstruct argument, or debate in a cogent, coherent manner you have to put some thought into it, not just spray the keyboard with self righteous adolescent frottage.

While you're about it, look up the dictionary definition of the term 'bigot'.

In an attempt to engage you in a mature way, I take it that you are in favour of male primogeniture?
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WL,

livingston 20/04/2008 19:02:51
The wife of a King does (rightfully) not become a queen, so there is no reason why the husband of a Queen should become a king. This should apply in every monarchy - not just in the UKGBNI. And this has nothing to do with Scottish independance - an independent Scotland could still be part of the Commonwealth and have the current english queen as monarch, like Canada, Australia and so many other countries.
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Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 20/04/2008 19:39:49
#12 Flub.......Still pushing the same old anti- Catholic bigotry? Has no one told you that we now all find ourselves in the 21st century,and that your sort of 17th century sh*t bigotry is well and trully out of date.Why dont you just grow up!
30

Alba Abú,

20/04/2008 19:42:39
#21 Pilrig......good post!
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Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 20/04/2008 19:56:17
In 1999 the Scottish parliament voted by a clear majority for the abolition of the sectarian act of settlement.However the English prime minister(Blair) was too much of a coward to take on the bigoted English establishment and failed to give Britain's 8 million Catholics equality before the law. Although he was pressed by the Scottish delegation to abolish this hate law, he had'nt the ba**s to do so.Instead he sneaked off and became a member of the Catholic church,on the quiet.In an Independent Scotland there will be no such laws that will discriminate against any citizen of our state. People of all faiths and none will be held equal before our bill of rights and Independent constitution. Alba go Brugh!
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 20/04/2008 19:58:37
So we have a definition (of sorts) from Bob and from someone else, of bigotry, which seems to consist of any criticism or deviation from a Roman Catholic line of thinking.

It's a pity neither of you read the entire posting I put on, you would see it consists of more than reference to Roman Catholicism, which was introduced by the article under discussion..

I stand by what I say - I don't believe male primogeniture should be retained for the monarchy (assuming it's being retained) - You two by implication obviously do.

I don't think the monarchy is such an important subject for discussion with everything else that's going on in the country, all of which is more urgent than this particular discussion - you two obviously do.

I don't believe any country should have a head of state which is potentially subservient to a foreign power - you two obviously do.

Actually maybe you're the same person, pretending that there's more than one of you. Certainly Bob was floundering being unable to produce anything of substance and the other one at #37 - well what?
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Flower of Scotland,

Edinburgh 20/04/2008 20:32:25
#40 Flubby......Go back to the 17th century,our country can do without bigots like you. Are the present Catholic European monarchs subservient to Rome? As Catholics they would have loyalty to their spiritual leader in the Vatican, but their patriotic loyalty would be to their own country. Sectarian bigots like yourself usually come up with the same claptrap"I dont think that the monarchy is such an important subject for discussion with everything else thats going on in the country" What you really mean is that you don't give a damn whether someone elses civil rights are being infringed,as long as you can keep your sectarian and bigoted monarchy.I have news for you pal,change is coming and it is coming fast and bigots like you are a fast diminishing breed and thank God for that,as you have held this country in a grip of sectarian hatred for too long now.The Queen of England has freely given her consent to have the act of settlement abolished. So! what are you going to do now? I really pity people like you who are trapped in a time warp and struggling against change.Sad is the only word to apply to you.Sad indeed. Well I'm off to get the cup that cheers. Its a great feeling having a clear mind free from sectarian hatred,you should try it sometime!
34

jimboo,

here 20/04/2008 22:03:31
As the chance of Victoria being legitimate were 500,000/1
cant we get a new Royal Family, have Simon Cowel run the Rex Factor. King Ozzie
35

A Reasonable Voice,

outside of Scotland 21/04/2008 14:57:11
Aside from the pompous, and often arrogant nature of Alex Salmond, he is an SNP leader who does want to maintain the monarch as head of state. He recognizes that any potential split of Scotland and England is a political one, and he does want various 'social' institutions to remain. This way Scotland departing from the fold does not look like a bunch of disgruntled malcontents--but rather a nation wanting to embrace new opportunities in a changing world.

Still, it is becoming more and more obvious that the best opportunities for individual Scotsmen--or even individual Englishmen--are outside of the UK. The country is being overrun with immigrants who are often unwilling to assimilate. I'm proud to be a Scotsman outside of Scotland, but inside of Scotland might be another story. It's good to romanticise about the past, but the present is nothing to be romantic about. Unless the UK can federalise like America, Canada, or Australia, independence will only gain support.

I have no problems with the current Queen or royal house, but would think it very good if the House of Stuart or a unique Scottish royal family were brought back to the throne in an independent Scotland. Keep Scotland unique in Europe if we have to go independent; there are already enough of those 'republics' whose head of state no one knows or cares about. Do we really want Sir Sean as our head of state or some other (nobody)?
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