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Des Browne aide: Scotland is narrow, Presbyterian and racist



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Published Date: 20 January 2008
THE chief aide to Scottish Secretary Des Browne described Scotland as "narrow, Presbyterian and racist" in a private e-mail.
John McTernan, Browne's special adviser at the Scotland Office, and a former aide to Tony Blair, made the comment in a private message to Labour MSP Karen Gillon five years ago.

In the message, obtained under Freedom of Information legislation, M
cTernan is recorded remarking on a holiday Gillon was about to take in Sweden.

"If you've not been to Sweden before I think you'll really like it," he wrote. "It's the country Scotland would be if it was not narrow, Presbyterian, racist, etc, etc. Social democracy in action."

McTernan wrote the e-mail while he worked at the Scottish Arts Council in 2002. He had previously been chief adviser to the disgraced First Minister Henry McLeish but had left the Scottish Executive when Jack McConnell came to power.

More recently, McTernan was a key member of Scottish Labour's election team last May. He was also questioned by police in the cash for honours affair.

McTernan, 48, was born in London but grew up in Edinburgh. Last night he told Scotland on Sunday: "This whole thing is absurd. Words have been taken out of context from a private correspondence that is five years old. Everybody who knows me knows that I have always worked hard for Scotland's interests and continue to do so at the Scotland Office."

But First Minister Alex Salmond last night claimed the e-mailed remarks showed Labour's true "contempt" for the Scottish people, and he questioned whether McTernan, should keep his job.

"It's a remarkable insight into the attitudes of the special adviser that London put in charge of Labour's election campaign last year, " he said. "It shows why Labour lost the election, they seem to have developed a unique contempt for the Scottish people."

McTernan is likely to make a complaint to the Scottish Arts Council, which released the documents, claiming that in doing so the organisation breached data protection laws.

Labour figures were slow to come to McTernan's assistance last night. McLeish declined to comment. But one party source said: "John has a brilliant strategic mind and has a passionate commitment to centre left politics. He hates narrow nationalism and these comments have to be seen in that context."

McTernan, who also worked as a columnist for Scotland on Sunday after leaving the Scottish government, found a new role in Downing Street under Tony Blair, eventually rising to the role of political secretary to the then Prime Minister.



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  • Last Updated: 20 January 2008 1:26 AM
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20/01/2008 01:58:13
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Andrew D,

20/01/2008 03:38:54
Let me get this straight. Someone who says that about Scotland was involved in running the election campaign in Scotland for Labour?

That's magic. I look forward to the day that Labour - in particular - chokes on its contempt for Scotland.

Scotland is and always has been a means to an end for them. That end being Westminster power.
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An Beal Bacht,

20/01/2008 03:50:27
'I did not intentionally call Scots narrow, presbyterian, racists. This was taken entirely out of context. What I meant to say was "Scots are Narrowly Presbyterian and Resist religious extremism".
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 20/01/2008 05:31:09
Take out presbyterian, substitute sectarian, and he is not too far away, but nobody's perfect.What is really sickmaking is that this slimeball is just another political hack/civil servant coining it in from public funds.
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An Beal Bacht,

20/01/2008 06:01:10
MERCUTIO;

Aye - and then what?

God this site is buggyQ
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 20/01/2008 06:29:42
#5 Is that Gaelic?
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Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 07:33:24
Doesnt Alex Salmond and his follower show 'unique contempt for the Scottish unionists'
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 20/01/2008 07:59:08
Nikostratos we may disagree with the Britnats, and we certainly condemn their views, but unlike your cheap innuendo, we respect their right to believe what they choose to believe. Its called democracy, try it sometime, you may like it.
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donald,

glasgow 20/01/2008 08:45:37
WHY DO THESE ANTI SCOTTISH LABOURITES BOTHER TO EVEN STAY IN SCOTLAND?
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 20/01/2008 08:48:09
'John has a brilliant strategic maind' = John is a zoomer who lives on planet politics, with no connection to the real world. But can't you just sense the frustration in his comment? What he means to say is, the majority of Scots aren't Catholic voting fodder and have sussed out the West of Scotland Catholic Church / Labour Party cabal that blights the West of Scotland.
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Jimmy the Pie,

20/01/2008 08:52:36
But one party source said: "John has a brilliant strategic mind and has a passionate commitment to centre left politics. He hates narrow nationalism and these comments have to be seen in that context." If he is so good why is the source 'unnamed'?? I'll bet he/she is a career hanger-on, who moves from one well paid 'consultancy' to another, filling their their boots. Time to boot all these freeloading to$$ers out!
12

Pilrig.,

Livingston 20/01/2008 09:09:19
This bigot should be sacked.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 20/01/2008 09:29:54
This Labour aide could well regret his comments?

During its 18 years in power, the indigenous Tory Party formed a similar contemptuous opinion of the Scots and look what happened to it!
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Exiled Highlander,

20/01/2008 10:22:48
How do you take "Scotland is narrow, Presbyterian and racist" OUT of context?!? Surely a comment like that creates its own context. Although if he is the Chief Aide to disaster-prone Des, then perhaps we should put his comments in some context (i.e. he's useless, not very intelligent & talented only in scheming his way up the greasy pole).

Thenak goodness for the Freedom of Information act. Now we know the thoughts of some of the political pygmies who are meant to be running the country. If this bigot had any honour at all, he'd resign. But of course we know that NO-ONE in the Labour party has any honour or dignity any more.

New Labour = Old Tory

Can't wait until the next General Election, when they will receive the electoral kicking previously reserved for John Major's administration. For a party which has betrayed the trust of the electorate in general and its own supporters in particular, it will be thoroughly deserved.
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Ford,

Ardrossan 20/01/2008 11:44:25
Not sure what all the fuss is about. If anything it is an understatement. He should have added "dysfunctional, alcoholic, short sighted and full of chavs". If we are ever going to be a real nation we need to look at ourselves seriously and not through nostalgic beer googles.
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Miss H,

20/01/2008 11:55:10
"If you've not been to Sweden before I think you'll really like it," he wrote. "It's the country Scotland would be if it was not narrow, Presbyterian, racist, etc, etc. Social democracy in action."

The other difference of course is that Sweden is independent - as are Norway, Denmark and Finland.

One day the penny is going to drop even with Labour spin doctors. The potential for Scotland to become a modern, self governing, self confident social democracy is blinding in its obviousness.
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glassbenmhor,

20/01/2008 11:57:09
Well the *ucker better not call me a Presbyterian or a Catholic he'll vanish as long as we all still remember this in a years time
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 20/01/2008 12:14:51
#10 Donald The answer is simple... to get rid of you traitorous so-called Labour supporters who are more Thatcherite than she was! You scottish labourites (small letters) are a disgrace to everything the Scottish Labour Party stood for. Shame on you all. A Scotsman un-scotched is the lowest common denominator.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 12:41:44
"McTernan is likely to make a complaint to the Scottish Arts Council, which released the documents, claiming that in doing so the organisation breached "

Laughable. Having lost half the countries' financial data, 1 million drivers' data, 600,000 peoples' info related to the MOD, a new Labour hack will now complain about a breach of data protection?? WHat next, a complaint about postal rates to and from the Channel Islands?
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Two-thirds,

Protestant Glasgow 20/01/2008 13:01:43
What exactly, does Presbyterianism have to do with racism? This is quite clearly a sectarian based article, written by a Roman Catholic bigot. Perhaps McTernan ought to look at the fascist leaders the world over, and he will see that each and every one's religion has been Roman Catholic, NOT Presbyterian. Presbyterianism is a religious movement which has stood for truth, freedom, and liberty for all, regardless of race.
McTernan is part of a growing number of influential people, who are taking every opportunity possible to denegrate Protestantism at every opportunity. A tactic straight out of Hitler's Mein Kampf.
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Richardinho,

20/01/2008 13:28:09
'McTernan, who also worked as a columnist for Scotland on Sunday after leaving the Scottish government'

Lol! I thought being a self loathing Scot was a pre-requisite for writing SoS columns!

you can just imagine the interview;
"How much do you really hate Scotland?"
"A-LOT!"
"Right, you're in!"
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Arrow,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 13:39:28
hvae a look and how this is playing to the "English" versions of the sunday broadsheets. the description given by this prat is accepted as a "given" and simply plays into the attitude generated about Scots. there is even one poster suggesting that English people in Scotland are being treated like the Afro Carribeans in London in the 60s. they seem to forget who voted in BNP local government members in toleratn England. i percive that Terman may have been referring to the reactionary Labour Party of the time rather than to Scots as a whole.
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Observer. 1,

20/01/2008 13:50:16
It's a common stereotype of a Scot. The best way to refute it is not to be narrow minded and racist, there is no evidence to support the Scots being more guilty of that than anyone else.
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Richardinho,

20/01/2008 13:54:25
Gosh, they're even talking about this story on Free Republic!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1956474/posts
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dougie1976,

20/01/2008 14:23:31
Well... he has some sort of point. Sweden WOULD be the country I would choose Scotland to be like,in an ideal world. If you want to add stereotypes: Norway is a bit too insular, Denmark a bit too right-wing.

And the reason why we are not like Sweden? Too much religion, too much racism, too much self-obsession. Taken in that context, he has a point.

Unfortunately, the English and their media will not look at it this way - they will use the comments as an excuse to attack us "lazy/scrounging/violent/drunken/dour jocks/scotch/sweaties" in their usual racist way.

Whatever happens, I would not like Scotland to be like England, where I have been racially abused, and there are racist murders most weeks.
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I-Mac,

20/01/2008 15:05:38
Scary stuff. A Scot makes a flippant remark about his own country (clearly intended more as praise of Sweden) in a prvate email, years ago and some folk are in a state of hysteria.
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Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 16:00:28
#29 Methalions

My thoughts exactly................
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one of the people .,

20/01/2008 16:09:03
Presbyterianism is responsible for democracy and the liberty and freedom we all enjoy in modern civilised society .

Many wars were fought and won and lives surrendered to keep bigots like McTernan from enforcing his dark aged backward views on the majority of a free willed society .

Presbyterian, you bet and proud .

My chosen faith teaches me to respect other peoples faiths and to treat women and fellow men as equals and as long as idiots like him don't ram his views down our throats this is respected .

The man is a complete idiot and no doubt brainwashed from the age of five when funnily enough separated from free thinking fellow citizens .
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SCOT JOCK,

SOMEWHERE IN SCOTLAND 20/01/2008 16:33:54
What a PRATT!
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Myke Wylson,

Edinbvrgh 20/01/2008 17:01:37
I see Edinburgh Sucks has done this one as well. It's also in the Herald.
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Guga II,

Rockall 20/01/2008 17:04:03
What else can you expect from the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party. It does illustrate the contempt they have for Scotland and the Scottish people.
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Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 18:08:17
#35 Guga II,




Guga II, says

What else can you expect from the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party. It does illustrate the contempt they have for Scotland and the Scottish people.


But then he always does...........extra large ...Yawn
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 18:12:33
36 Don't yawn with your head empty Niko.
34

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 18:22:51
#37 Ayrshire Scot™

Shut it Ayrshire can't i have Any fun ?............
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Pilrig,

Livingston 20/01/2008 19:13:59
16 - And bigotry passes for serious comment ?
36

Pilrig,

Livingston 20/01/2008 19:14:00
16 - And bigotry passes for serious comment ?
37

Pilrig,

Livingston 20/01/2008 19:23:57
39 - an anti-Scot writes
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow Protestant 20/01/2008 19:31:19
#21 two thirds. The man who made these remarks deserves a pay rise. Scotland is a backward sectarian little backwater. Scotland's landscape is polluted with narrow minded 17th century bigots who meet in damp and dingy orange halls and masonic temples.These people want to keep Scotland under English rule,because they dont have the balls to be part of an independent nation.They are all bread basket soldiers of mythical might and loyal sons of inherited spite.They have a peasant mentality,wishing to be ruled over by a foreign English-German queen.So I say,give mister McTernan a pay rise for telling it as it really is.To the bigots I say,GO TO HELL! Scotland does not need or want your 17th century crap!
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SeriouslyAmused,

Ayr 20/01/2008 19:35:03
AM2, what about the far more serious racism shown in the English press practically every day? Yes a lot of Scots grumble about the English, but more about the English as an establishment than individuals. Yet pick up almost any English-based newspaper (or more especially read their comments online) and you will find some of the most appalling racist comments aimed at Scottish people, as opposed to Scotland. Yet you hardly find a commentator saying, hey, not on, let's analyse the English pysche.

Okay, so we should take the beam out of our eye, but at least admit our neighbours' mote is as big as an elephant.

If this had been an email from someone connected with Holyrood saying for example, you should visit Sweden, it's how England would be if it were not imperialist, arrogant and racist (alleged traits the English suffer accusations of from abroad) you'd be the first to accuse Scotland of being institutionally racist. But if it's a labour bum in London, that's okay, not only that, we should further gaze at our own naval and flagellate ourselves?

No wonder most people here don't take you too seriously when you claim to be proud of Scotlsnd.
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow Protestant 20/01/2008 19:47:24
#32 one of the people.(what people, I dont know) Your ignorant and bigoted rantings have just helped to prove mister McTernan's theory correct.Do us all a favour and cut out the sectarian and bigoted rantings.Your hate filled days in Scotland are over.The majority of the Scottish people could'nt give a fig about your type of presbyterianism(the sectarian and bigoted type). To all genuine Presbyterians- Catholics and Anglicans, or members of any other faith or none,the Scottish nation embraces you with open arms. Away with the bigots! Phoblacht na Alba go bragh! Alba abhu.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 19:50:31
46 This McTernan is a Unionist AM2. and yet he appears to spout the poison of racism. Civic progressive nationalism is not poison AM2, it is putting Scotland first for the betterment of all her people. Poison is the arrogant British Nationalism which you espouse, which puts a notion of Britain ahead of the well being of Scots.
42

henrymanchester,

UK 20/01/2008 19:57:51
Never mind that.

I'm never forgiving you guys for Haggis....
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Hunky Dorey,

Scottish Protestant and Republican,and proud of it 20/01/2008 20:03:05
#21 Two thirds....... "Presbyterianism is a religious movement which has stood for,truth freedom and liberty for all, regardless of race." I LIKE IT! Pity about your anti- Catholic rant previous to those few patriotic words.You really are a fraud my friend.
44

Hunky Dorey,

20/01/2008 20:05:22
#48 Ayrshire Scot.........Excellent post!
45

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 21:05:30
52 Hardline? From the peddler of "poison" ?
46

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 21:08:18
54. AM2

you have stated, repeatedly, that you would oppose Scottish independence under all but the most extreme ciurcumstances (the UK falling to hardline fundamentalist rule was the only scenario you gave). You have said that even if Scottish independence led to a modest increase in wealth with no negative on the UK legacy state, you would still oppose it. This is putting a notion of Britain above the interests of Scots.
47

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 21:22:38
59 was my rhetoric more divisive than labelling decent people with the well being of their country and neighbours at heart "poisonous"?
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Miss Jean Brodie,

20/01/2008 21:30:05
THE chief aide to Scottish Secretary Des Browne described Scotland as "narrow, Presbyterian and racist" in a private e-mail.

talk aboot sayin’ it how ye are ?
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Pilrig,

Livingston 20/01/2008 21:35:22
44 - I condemn bigotry whether it be anti-Rnglish or the inverted bigotry of McTernan
50

Pilrig,

Livingston 20/01/2008 21:40:59
What the hell ? Burns a supporter of the Hanoverian Regime ? ("Sausage-eating b*st*rds" as Joyce has one of his characters in "Ulysses" refer to them as).
Jeez, BURNS WAS A SUPPORTER OF THE FRENCH REVOLUTION !for God's sake !
Liberty, Fraternity and Equality were the tenets he admired above all.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 22:01:52
71 AM2. can one be said to "studiously ignore" something.
52

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 20/01/2008 23:48:04
It's unbelievable that you are defending this idiots comments AM2.

I don't see any justification for his bigoted hatred of presbyterians.

His remark about Scots being racist isn't in the context of 'this % of people in Scotland....', which would have justification whether I agreed with him or not. It is simply a statement of his own personal prejudice. In fact in ANY country you could come out with "This % of people...(insert xenophobia)..". So its really nonsense to use that as some form of justification for his remarks - unless you are also quite happy for someone to call England, or N Ireland, or Eire, or (insert country) racist.

But lets be honest - that isn't the context here. He is just a pathetic bigoted effeminate.
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Auckland Arab,

21/01/2008 09:48:42
The only out of context of these remarks was the fact that they were made public, much to the New Labour Quangos shame. The guy is clearly a muppit so long may he retain his position. Nice to see some other muppits on here justifying or defending him. And yes, Mr Potato Head, you know who I am talking about.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 21/01/2008 15:53:13
You do have to wonder whether it was wise to attack Scots as narrow Presbyterian racists. Did he mean all Scots? Obviously not, since not all Scots are Presbyterian. Being a Presbyterian does not necessarily entail being a racist. And lots of people can hold narrow views; depending on which side of the fence you are you might see nationalism as narrow or unionism as narrow. I suspect, however, that you can't decouple one statement from the other; he does seem to have a particular group in mind and I'm sure he wasn't referring to himself. Still, it's just another Labour blunder in a string of blunders from Wendy Alexander's PR Man saying Alex Salmond was a *&!" to her election agent saying women are thick. Perhaps Labour no longer want the votes of Presbyterians or women. Who will they insult next, I wonder?

 

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