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After Lockerbie, Harvie turns his fire on rest of UK



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Published Date:
09 March 2008
AFTER offending every one of Lockerbie's 4,009 residents by describing their community as a "dump", outspoken MSP Christopher Harvie has set out to insult pretty much everyone else in Britain.
The Nationalist member for Mid-Scotland and Fife has launched a magnificent rant against life in the UK including – but by no means limited to – foreign footballers, crooked media bosses, shopaholics, Jeremy Paxman, stupid celebrities and Jonathan Ro
ss.

Harvie, who took up his new political job after a distinguished career as professor of British and Irish studies at Tübingen University, Germany, has made his views clear in an article for this week's Scots Independent newspaper titled "The Twilight of the Gods".

Attacking the financial sector which has led the country into a credit crunch, he then declares that the whole of society has become afflicted with a form of consumer madness.

"The sclerosis of consumer-driven 'growth' has spread into every element of UKanian civil life: white-van men, venal broadcasters, dim-witted celebs, bent press barons, supermarket tycoons, crooked politicians," he declares in the article. "Not to speak of the sad grotesques - the boozed-up high streets, the overpaid 'flannelled fools and muddied oafs' of the stadiums."

Harvie was only too happy to expand on his comments.

The BBC's Jeremy Paxman was first up, following the revelation last week that the broadcaster had hired two live-in Romanian servants whom he was paying at below the minimum wage, although he insisted he provided benefits including accommodation, food and a car.

"I find it very odd that you get the situation where someone like Paxman lays down the law and yet he is someone who won't pay his staff properly. Behaviour of that sort is palliated or excuses are found for it," Harvie told Scotland on Sunday.

He also slammed fellow BBC presenter Jonathan Ross. "It is obscene that someone is paid £6m a year by the BBC."

The reference to 'flanelled fools and muddied oafs' was a borrowed quote from Rudyard Kipling's 1902 poem, the Islanders, said Harvie, which he used to refer today to the influx of highly paid foreign football stars.

Harvie said. "At least then he was talking about locals. These days we bring our gladiators in as the Romans did, to keep a section of society happy – who these days aren't working-class but middle-class because you have to be to afford the price of a ticket."

And asked about his reference to 'vacuous shoppers', Harvie said he lamented the fact that shopping had taken over as the country's main leisure activity.

"In Germany there is no Sunday shopping....a lot of the shopping culture here is to do with diddling people," he declared.

He said he despaired of modern British culture which, he warned, was moving further away from the European model.

"You have to remember where I am coming from. Germany is a country which has imposed pretty high standards and is now getting p****d off with the culture of tax havens and tax dodging and that seems to be accepted more and more here," he said. "What Gordon is doing is running Britain as a mega-Liechtenstein."

He added: "Things are totally out of control. It is said of the patriot who loves his country he is prepared to attack it until it redeems itself."

Asked if there was anything about British culture of which he approved, he did not provide an example.

A spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives said: "The way Christopher Harvie rants on, you have to assume he is employed by Don't Visit Scotland.com."

Labour MSP for Scotland and Mid-Fife Claire Baker said: "Mr Harvie really does need to put mind in gear before operating mouth. After criticising Lockerbie and parts of Kirkcaldy, he now has widened his attack to just about everything and everybody in Scotland.

"It's about time he decided if he would prefer to resign his seat at Holyrood and go back to academia in Germany."

An SNP source said: "Chris is a very passionate guy, especially about local issues."

More to life than moans and groans

Christopher Harvie, above, believes the country is going to the dogs. Many will agree, but here are five things that show that modern life in Britain isn't so bad after all.

1 The best live music scene for a generation. There has never been a better time to see great bands in well-priced venues.

2 The choice of food and drink on offer puts the past 20 years to shame to shame, thanks to increased immigration, better produce on sale and a boom in our foodie culture.

3 The sense of humour. It may sound like a cliché to say it, but nobody has quite such a subtle, sophisticated and witty way with words.

4 The weather. Don't knock it, there's nothing better than summer here, even in Glasgow. Just go to Dubai in August.

5 The sheer variety. Sassanachs, Gaels, Scousers, Highlanders, mountains, Bens, lochs, lakes, chips, chapatis, Shakespeare, Burns, Churchill, Connery, the Beatles.... Need we go on?



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  • Last Updated: 08 March 2008 10:37 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

democrate,

central Scotland 09/03/2008 00:06:31
Brave man, and a lot of truth in what he says.
2

Jimmy the Pie,

09/03/2008 00:06:50
Sounds like the truth hurts?
3

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/03/2008 00:12:35
The opening sentence of this article is a LIE. The Annandale Herald, printed and published in Lockerbie, this week carried five articles about Chris Harvie's comments in it's Letters pages, three of them from locals applauded Harvie for saying what needed to be said, citing the 12 shops and derelict cinema which blight the town centre, the two condemning his comments came from Jim Hume, Lib Dem MSP (he bizarrely described Lockerbie as a 'Dumfriesshire Jewel' and David Mundell sole Tory MP in Scotland.

Mr Barnes might have been better off reporting the news that Elaine Murray MSP Lab (Dumfries) has decided to complete her transformation into school clype and has launched a motion to petition Holyrood to condemn Chris Harvie. The following was emailed to every non SNP MSP in Holyrood:

S3M-01438 Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): That the Parliament condemns remarks made by Christopher Harvie MSP at the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee on 20 February 2008 regarding the town of Lockerbie (Official Report, c. 460-461); condemns also his comments about young people and about one of Scotland's most successful entrepreneurs, Sir Tom Hunter; believes that Sir Tom is a good role model for young people and applauds his initiatives to address the effects of disadvantage on young people; notes that the problems of empty properties in Lockerbie long precede the presence of Tesco in the town; believes that further investment by both the public and private sector is required to regenerate town centres such as Lockerbie, and believes that the Scottish Government should consider introducing specific government funding directed towards addressing the problems of Scotland's town centres.
4

craigy,

south lanarkshire 09/03/2008 00:23:27
Yep, he's only telling the truth.
Bit of an novelty for LabLibcons that
5

Aýrshire Scot™,

09/03/2008 00:24:01
The truth often hurts.
6

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/03/2008 00:26:00
#5 Hoy Aýrshire Scot™, what have you done with the real Ayrshire Scot?
7

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 09/03/2008 00:51:07
IT IS OBSCENE TO PAY ANYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THE BBC 6MILLION POUNDS IT IS PLAIN MADNESS AND PEOPLE STILL HAVE TO BUY A TV LIECENCE
8

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09/03/2008 01:02:43
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9

subrosa,

09/03/2008 01:20:18
I agree with him.
10

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/03/2008 07:02:44
Quite a refreshing change from the "You never had it so good" jobbies typically spouted by the Unionist parties. Keep going Chris, don't let the b@stards silence you.
11

Road to the isles,

09/03/2008 07:57:27
Top notch piece of journalism Eddie!! Harvie insulted EVERY ONE of Lockerbie's residents eh? How do you know? Did you speak to them all personally? Another anti-SNP dig!!

I'm not a Nationalist but I deplore the bias shown by the staff on this "newspaper".
12

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 09/03/2008 08:15:41
By telling it as it is he runs the risk of ending up like Enoch Powell: a prophet without honour in his own land.

He must beware the machinations of the self-righteous liberal elites.
13

donald,

glasgow 09/03/2008 08:19:30
Good.
14

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

09/03/2008 08:20:22
Fair play to the man for saying what he thinks which appears to be close to spot on.
15

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/03/2008 08:41:34
The You Never Had It So Good, apologists for the years labour mismanagement just had to stick this Rubbish on the end of the article.

1 The best live music scene for a generation. There has never been a better time to see great bands in well-priced venues.

Thats if you wish to risk your life, hoping you don't get knifed by some drunken Ned, something the Home Office Minister Jaqui is unwilling to do.

2 The choice of food and drink on offer puts the past 20 years to shame to shame, thanks to increased immigration, better produce on sale and a boom in our foodie culture.

Aye, but your starting from a very low point. Try and find a Thai Restaurant anywhere but Glasgow or Edinburgh and you will be hard pressed. Or even to find a Chinese Restaurant that doesn't smother everything in Brown Gravy.

3 The sense of humour. It may sound like a cliché to say it, but nobody has quite such a subtle, sophisticated and witty way with words.

You certainly need that if you want to live in Scotland.

4 The weather. Don't knock it, there's nothing better than summer here, even in Glasgow. Just go to Dubai in August.

And Antarctica is pretty miserable in August too. Or try Florida or even Spain where the weather is better all year round.

5 The sheer variety. Sassanachs, Gaels, Scousers, Highlanders, mountains, Bens, lochs, lakes, chips, chapatis, Shakespeare, Burns, Churchill, Connery, the Beatles.... Need we go on?

Yes do go on, Neds, Feckless Labour Politicians, Cynical Tory wankers. High taxes, poor services, dying industries, pregnant teenagers, cylamidia epidemics and steets full of chip boxes, vomit and dog turds.

16

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/03/2008 09:01:24
17 ...old Uncle Tom Cobley an' all....
17

famie,

Australia 09/03/2008 09:28:40
The man is a star. A shining beacon in a medieocre world. How fortunate is Scotland to have someone with such brilliant articulation of the truth as well as the brave heart to speak out. Our western culture or at least the Anglo-Saxon version is exactly as he describes it. If only there were more of his ilk willing to come on board with some home truths then there may be a chance that we can redeem our society. I wish we had his twin over here. For this so-called Lucky Country of Oz is following the same path.
18

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/03/2008 09:35:33
Why the big fuss Eddie? Most people in Lockerbie agree that their town centre is a dump. I suspect that your twisted logic makes you think that Lockerbie should never be criticised because of the tragedy that occurred there in 1988.
19

Nikostratos,

09/03/2008 09:46:25
#13

And just like Enoch he isn't going to listen to any body else's advice.

20

Nikostratos,

09/03/2008 09:53:41



Christopher Harvie is the snp answer to George foulkes and a good one..........................well done snp.....a world class idiot of your very own
21

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/03/2008 10:08:37
#22
The shoot from the lip style is the only thing they have in common. Mr. Harvies comments are a call to action for changing society for the better. Lord Foulkes ideas are of the venal cringing hang onto power at all cost variety.
22

Gothic Rose,

09/03/2008 10:09:34
Don`t care about him[Harvie] either!
23

Grahamski,

Falkirk 09/03/2008 10:34:42
Christopher Harvie should be applauded for demonstrating the loathing the SNP has for Scotland. Forget their pathetic wha's like us? sentimental buffonery. Mr Harvie is the real deal: he hates the population for not agreeing with his extremist views. You don't have to go far below the surface of your average nationalist to get to the contempt they feel for Scots. Everybody's heard them rail that you need only put a donkey up for election and they will get elected - as long as they wear the Labour Party colours. Mr Harvie merely argues this case more colourfully, for that he should be thanked.
24

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/03/2008 10:50:18
#25 Grahamski - I doubt whether anyone would agree with your reasoning. First prize for the most idiotic post so far today.
25

Jimmy the Pie,

09/03/2008 10:52:46
#25 grahamski
Do they only let you out at weekends?? Is it supervised release? Are the voices in your heid still telling you what to say?
Don't worry - when Scotland is independent we won't cut back on mental health funding. There will always be a place at Carstairs for you.

26

Grahamski,

Falkirk 09/03/2008 11:00:03
I forgot to mention the rather delightful habit of the SNP to personally attack anyone not on message.
So there we have it, the SNP actually hate a large part of the population for not agreeing with their pathetic grievances and girning. They behave like political thugs and launch personal attacks on anybody whose views differs from theirs.
How long was Mr Harvie in Germany? Pick up any tips on how to deal with oppostion there do you think?
27

Jimmy the Pie,

09/03/2008 11:05:57
Is Bellsdyke still open Grahamski??
28

Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 09/03/2008 11:16:50
Re Grahamski #28 : "I forgot to mention the rather delightful habit of the SNP to personally attack anyone not on message."

No-one posting here is a spokesperson for the SNP.
29

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/03/2008 11:18:17
#28 It may have more to do with your curious logic which seems to be diametrically opposed to reality. When you accuse the SNP of loathing Scotland, I think that you would struggle to get even a Unionist to agree with you. You are either being deliberately obtuse or you are genuinely misguided. Either way you sound like a bit of a saddo who is craving attention.
30

blair,

North Berwick 09/03/2008 11:24:58
#25
It was over 40 years ago that I heard the sitting member for West Fife (Labour) say that if the Labour Party put a turnip up for election in West Fife it would be elected with a 20,000 majority.
31

Queen D,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 11:32:25
Glad to see that most people agree with Prof Harvie.
He appears to be a spokesman for the people and telling it like it is!
32

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 09/03/2008 11:38:23
#15...... Aye! Its a pity that he did'nt include Govan and Larkhall as being two of the biggest dumps in Scotland.
33

 Ayrshire Scot™,

09/03/2008 12:03:28
28. Grahamski - the SNP habit of personally attacking people? Like this....

"Margaret Curran, the party's shadow health secretary, has admitted being at the centre of unflattering comments about Alexander's performance as party leader.

A recent newspaper piece had stated that Labour MSPs were critical of her performance and judgement, with the phrase "shocking and appalling" quoted in the story, which is now revealed to have been based on a briefing by Curran."

Wait until Harvie gets around to a critique of new Labour's slap up job in Iraq....makes Lockerbie look good

34

Norman,

09/03/2008 13:03:23
I can see what the Scotland on Sunday are trying to do here, try and align these comments with the Lockerbie/Tom Hunter ones and keep the momentum going.

It was a good try but ultimately failed as what he is quoted as saying seems completey in line with many opinions.

Can we have a quality paper in Scotland and not a pseudo tabloid please?
35

Amparo de Glasgow,

09/03/2008 13:50:33
Och ...
Jist anither reason to shut doon Uncle Tom's Cabin.
Hollyrood has been a disaster.

Uncle Tom garbagio for a bunch of snivveling whinging pathetic numptys and ar*elicking Uncle Tom's
36

Amparo de Glasgow,

09/03/2008 13:55:17
I think us Scottish should start a new campaign.

Fight for a Scotland free of shysters

... like wee Eck;

Sturgeon-bot Version 4.001;

bendy Wendy;

dough-heid maggie Curran;

Sarah airheid Boyack;


and all the rest of the eejits
... who have and had glorious careers
... at Uncle Tom's Cabin.
37

Amparo de Glasgow,

09/03/2008 14:02:22
Harvie typifies all that is wrong with Uncle Tom's Cabin /Hollyrood
38

Davie08,

Edinburgh 09/03/2008 14:50:53
Chris Harvie makes perfect sense to me but obviously it is too much for Eddie Barnes. Who hired this guy? He can't write, there is no attempt at objective analysis and his repetitive attacks on the SNP are not backed by factual information. I have no objection to Mr Barnes being an opponent of nationalism if only he would indulge first in some journalism.
39

bill-alba,

fife 09/03/2008 16:42:28
Chris..agree with you completely...please visit the north east of fife (tay bridgehead) villages and let fife council know that we think these villages are dumps as well.
40

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 09/03/2008 17:30:46
It is revealing to observe that it is only the dyed in the wool cringers who find fault with Prof Harvie’s comments.

This is hardly surprising as it is they who represent the culture of “we should be happy with what we have, and not aspire to any improvement”.

Poverty, squalour, poor health, damp housing, high unemployment, despair, drugs epidemics, feral youths terrorising neighbourhoods, unacceptable levels of petty and also organised crime, a corrupt and complacent judicial system and a culture of tat and despondency.

Cringing Unionists, J’accusse you of being responsible for all of the above!

(And I have not even begun to mention the rape of our natural resources, the siteing of weapons of mass destruction on our soil, or the murder of 1,000’s of innocent civilians carried out in our name.)
41

Selgovae,

09/03/2008 20:00:15
At least he didn't pull the "off the record" stunt. Mad or not, at least we know what we're getting.
42

beckypumps1,

Fife 09/03/2008 20:19:20
I am starting to like this guy Harvie.
43

Breezy,

Argyll 09/03/2008 20:59:12
What Chris is saying is what a lot of folk think and know to be true of any of their localities in Scotland, mair power tae yer elbow !
44

Teofilio Cubillas,

Just outside the 18 yard box..... 09/03/2008 21:58:25
I've never voted Labour nor SNP, but Christopher Harvie should be commended for pointing out that, like the emperor having no clothes on, many of Scotland's towns are, indeed, dumps. They are also populated by ill-educated, poorly dressed, foul-mouthed, unemployable dross to whom the notion of civic pride is as alien as personal hygiene. God help us.
45

CRAGman,

09/03/2008 23:57:51
What planet does Eddie Barnes live on? Is his world that of the political village rather than reality? I guess the answer to tyhat has to be "yes". Get rid of him now.
46

democracy,

Scottish Borders 10/03/2008 02:16:27
It is no use telling it as it is, in the UK, you just get blasted by the pathetic British ostriches who bury their collective heads in the sand because they cannot handle the TRUTH !!!
47

!Ya basta!,

10/03/2008 03:12:30
There is a lot of truth in what Harvie says, especially about the march of consumerism and our dumbed-down celebrity obsessed culture. He is not the first person to point these things out. And it is good that somebody in public life is prepared to say the things that everybody knows anyway.

However, it is so easy to criticise and if he wants to be taken seriously as a politican he needs to clearly lay out his vision for how things could be different.

Carping and moaning and then basking in the publicity it brings makes you absolutely no different Mr. Harvie (and maybe worse) than the so-called celebrities that spout half-baked ideas.

Where is your substance? What solutions, exactly, are you proposing?
48

sweet76,

Coventry 10/03/2008 09:55:50
I'm struggling to find fault with his comments.
49

Doh,

10/03/2008 10:59:10


What is pretty clear is that Harvie hates the Scottish people - we just dont measure up to his standards.

The SNP have had a fair sprinking of egomanicial cranks in every parliament, adn Chris is clearly staking out this as his ground, following in the steps of the weatherman, that wifie journalist and ego of egos - Margo.
50

Christina, Aberdeen,

10/03/2008 13:32:17
We need more politicians like Chris Harvie who will stand up and talk the truth.
It's like a breath of fresh air after the stench of corruption from the Paisley and Dumbarton Mafia.

 

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