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Published Date: 05 July 2009
FINANCIAL experts have warned that recommendations to give Holyrood sweeping new taxation powers will lead to people claiming that their main residences are in England to avoid punitive tax rates.

The transfer of radical new tax powers to Edinburgh, proposed by the Calman Commission, the body set up by the pro-Union parties to look at the constitutional settlement, has led to fears that wealthy Scots will chose to move south of the Border.

Rhona Irving, the head of tax at PWC Scotland, said: "Say for instance your business was in Edinburgh and you didn't have to go into work every day and your home and family were in England; this sort of thing would be doable and it would be quite legal."

The rate of income tax workers pay is determined by their residency and those earning in the UK are taxed at the UK rate. But the Calman Commission proposal calls for the Scottish Parliament to be given the power to decide over 10p of the tax rate in each band.

Currently, the basic rate of income tax paid by those earning up to £37,400 is 20p in the pound. Under Calman, Scotland would be required to set a basic rate of at least 10p in the pound. Apart from that, Holyrood could vary the rate as it liked. If it wanted a Scottish tax haven, it could set a rate that was below the UK rate of 20p. Conversely, it could go higher, and it is that scenario that has led to fears of a Scottish exodus.

"The UK government is already going to introduce 50 per cent tax for high earners and people are saying they are going to leave London and live on the continent and I think the same thing will apply here in Scotland," Irving said. "Perhaps a 1 per cent rise would not make that much difference, but a 5 per cent rise would make a huge difference.

"It might not be that England would be the destination of choice for these people. They may wish to go to Ireland or the continent. The UK tax rate is already penal and if you added 2 or 3 per cent in Scotland it would get even worse."

David Heald, an expert in income tax at Aberdeen University, said: "If you are mega-rich, a change in Scottish income tax may be enough to make them move, or to claim that they have moved. The issue is going to be one of residency. If you have homes in London and Glasgow, the issue is going to be which one is your residence for tax purposes."





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1

Farky,

Edinburgh 05/07/2009 00:10:44
Clear argument for FULL fiscal autonomy!
2

Soosider,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 00:26:48
I think we may be getting ahead of ourselves here, we have still not seen the detail of how this will be implemented. Will it be that the tax folk will identify every Scottish tax payer ( they still have to clarify how this will be defined), or will it be that it will just be a notional amount and the Barnet formulae will be adapted depending on what notional rate is set by Holyrood.
I get the distinct feeling that the present Westminster Government will be happy for Calman to be dragged out allowing it to fall due to a UK election, handing the whole mess to the new Uk government.
3

BIG EYE,

Paisley 05/07/2009 01:24:02
The only way to get sensible policies is to allow the Scottish Parliament full powers over ALL Taxes.

A piecemeal approach will not work and that is PRECISELY why Calman suggested it.

Calman was useful for one reason and one reason only. It exposes in full light the lengths the Unionists will go to try and con the Scottish people!

It remains to be seen whether sufficient Scots have the intelligence to see through this but I find it incredibly encouraging that the Unionists are so desperate to avoid a referendum.

The SNP government and I don't mean just Alex Salmond, although he has proved an excellent First Minister, are head and shoulders and a bit of midriff above all previous administrations and I fail to see how denying the Scots the right to vote in a referendum cannot result in a defeat of enormous magnitude on the Unionists at the following Scottish elections, particularly. if as looks increasingly likely the Tories have hammered Labour at Westminster the previous year!
4

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 05/07/2009 01:32:48
If it's implemented from Westminster it will be an abortion of a job.

Taxed from England and taxed from Scotland.

Yet another layer of complexity to the tax system.

If it's labour - It's a cockup.
5

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 01:58:37
Let the scum run. They contribute little or nothing to
society,their mantra being "greed is good"!

Sadly,under the far-right NEW LABOUR "Administration" they have become acostomed to not paying any tax at all until "Maggie" was forced to introduce taxes recently.

So can we look forward to the likes of Michelle Moone departing these shores ? I do hope so !
6

yockel,

05/07/2009 04:56:37
That should suit the SNP socialist agdenda but will they guarantee that a simple change of residency will be enough to avoid SNP taxes. We live in hope.
7

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 05/07/2009 08:34:02
Let us hope that those who object to paying the Scottish income tax do a runner en masse. As far as we can see many of the current rich are parasitic, hiving off short term gains which eventually cost the rest of us a disproportionate amount when the real settlement day arrives.
Were there any poor people, paying income tax under PAYE, who made significant policy decisions which contributed to the current "international credit crisis" ?
8

TWC,

exLabour 05/07/2009 08:52:42
With Full Fiscal Autonomy we could cut taxes and all the English Rich would claimt o be Scottish.
Remember as well that 1/3 of all UK corporation tax comes from the North Sea companies.

9

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/07/2009 09:01:07
8 Joe

What a good comment. The SNP certainly created this mess when they set up the Calman Commission.......

eejit!!
10

Finnzz,

05/07/2009 09:01:45
There's no problem with this at all. People do this all the time in Ireland where they work in the North and live in the South, (and vice versa). The existing legislation is quite clear on where you are taxed.



11

TWC,

exLabour 05/07/2009 09:19:38
12 sm753,

SMEE I don't this was a claim made by the industry itself last thursday.

I don't just argue with the NAts because they are Nats, when they are right I agree with them.

The only arguement that can defeat the independence claim is Fiscal Autonomy. Only poodles still hang on to the claim that Scotland would be worse off.

You are obviously a nu Labour man who celebrates anything bad that happens in Scotland as a wee victory over SNP, well it isn't it is a loss for Scotland.

Let's have FFA and then there will be no doubt about what we can do.

12

TWC,

exLabour 05/07/2009 09:21:25
12 sm753,

Once we have FFA we'll do all we can, leave no stone unturned, do whatever is necessary to make Scotland a success.
13

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/07/2009 09:29:08
12 sm

It does not necessarily follow that a cut in the rate of tax would require bridge tolls etc being reintroduced.
14

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 09:52:33
12

Why would a cut in taxation in Scotland automatically mean a reintroduction of bridge tolls, prescription charges, student fees?

I dont see the connection. We already have an effective tax cut with the council tax freeze and yet we havent had to introduce any policies which reverse any of the mentioned above.
Obviously just spitting in the wind as usual.
15

TWC,

exLabour 05/07/2009 10:06:09
17 sm753,

This is only an article and if it didn't support the Status Quo this newspaper would never ptint it.

FFA would mean that we direct the spend to suit Scotland which gives us control not only of how much we spend but where we spend it.

Anyway this will be resolved in the Referendum because if the options are Status Quo vs Independence then Independence will win hands down.

People who would normally support the Union will turn against it if the Fudge offered by Calman is the most on offer.

FFA or Independence; Scotland will thrive

You are a pathetic Nu Labour adherent who is incapable of a positive idea for Scotland.
16

mr broon,

Edinburgh 05/07/2009 10:09:46
Calman was simply a desperate propaganda counter to the SNP's National Conversation.

Much fuss has been made about nothing. It has already been kicked into the long grass.
17

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 10:25:30
18

So which Schools are not being built? and name one teacher who has been made redundant due to the council tax freeze?
If Schools are not being built in Scotland then they sure as hell aint being built anywhere else in the UK so there obviously is no relationship between building schools and the difference in council tax rates. Lets face it even without the council tax freeze council tax rates differ from region to region anyway.

17

Where would these high earners go? is there a tax haven somewhere that isnt already being exploited by these same high earners? are they just waiting for Scotland to increace its taxation rates in order to shift there enmass or is this just another purile idiotic cant be logically proved piece of propaganda?
18

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 10:27:04
21

Hollyrood is constrained by the Barnett formula and therefore cannot do anything it wants.
19

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 11:19:43
24

Is it a matter of record that no schools have been built since May 2007 because of taxation levels and that its because there is an official policy in place which states there is a halt in School building in Scotland? or could it be because of a thousand other reasons?
20

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 11:24:13
25

"So? The point is that within that budget, it can spend it on what it likes."

And that is preferrable to you to being allowed to spend with full fiscal resourses?
If so why? why as a Scot would you settle for a fraction of what is available revenue to Scotland when we could have so much more?
21

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 11:28:23
24
"Hyslop only got round to even making an *announcement* about new build a couple of weeks ago."

18
No. We've just had a halt in school-building and teachers being made redundant.

Hardly ties in with your statement at post 18 does it?

It really is bad when you contradict yourself within a couple of posts especially when you are trying so hard to look intellectual.


22

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 11:56:23
"The UK government is already going to introduce 50 per cent tax for high earners and people are saying they are going to leave London and live on the continent and I think the same thing will apply here in Scotland,"

Exactly where abouts on the continent will these tax dodgers go to avoid paying over 50% taxation? I bet they already have their money squirrled away in tax havens all over the world. What a piece of kack this story is.
23

frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/07/2009 12:19:36
#21, smee753/AM2.

The SG has control of 60% of Scottish public expenditure, but it HAS NO CONTROL over Scottish revenue.

There's the rub! If you have no control over the economic levers then you have no control over the direction of your economy.

As far as helping to develop the economy is concerned, Calman leaves Scotland in exactly the same position as at the implimentation of the Scotland Act 1997.
The change from varying IT from 3%(on basic) to 10% (on all bands) is "smoke & mirrors.

As for new school build, the SNP Government has met all the contracts and plans made before 2007; new school building has continued in the period since 2007. Also, it has taken the SNP Government only 2yrs. to bring forward its proposals for further impovements in the schools' estate, something that it took the NuLab/LD administration, 3yrs.

Teachers: the overall pupil/teacher ratio is now better than at any time in Scottish history.

Please refrain from misinformation as it is tedious having to point this out, day in and day out.
24

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 12:35:22
30

I dont believe it SM telling fibs? who would have thought? I wonder what motivates him to spend so much time on these threads just to post pi** as wind? looks suspiciously like a vocation to me.
25

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 05/07/2009 12:58:46
As I remember if Scotland got Devolution all business would flee south overnight.
I also recall that if we elected a SNP government in 2007 we were all to get a £5000 tax bill , and yet again all businesses would leave Scotland for England.

I also believe that if we get either FFA or Independence al business will definetely head out of Scotland for England.

PS. I have my own business registered in England ,the exact opposite is true if Scotland gets Independence or FFA I will register my company in Scotland.
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foxbat3000,

Edinburgh 05/07/2009 14:16:27
This is a non story so wooo hooo we can now vary tax rates by 10p the 3p tax variance was unusable cos you cant cut taxes under a block grant scheme without cutting services. Only by having a dedicated Scottish treasury can you afford to cut taxes as you then have the power to grow the economy to make up the deficit.
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05/07/2009 14:50:36
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05/07/2009 14:52:57
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TWC,

exLabour 05/07/2009 16:57:50
35 1003,

You're just Smee changed his name

The Barnett formula is just the remnant of the previous attempt to stop Scotland controlling all it's funds.
31

The Saltire,

05/07/2009 19:56:10
38

Yes I get it youre doing your job keeping the threads going with your asinine rubbish. Cant you even make an effort to make it at least sensible or half credible?
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05/07/2009 20:06:22
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/07/2009 20:59:20
#40/41, Sam the Bam fae Greenock.

Why don't you speak BNP again.

I was more palatable than the muck you've recently been posting.

 

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