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Published Date: 22 March 2009
DOES anyone really expect Scotland to get anything from our match in Holland on Saturday? Over the past week I couldn't find one fan who truly believed, and within the media the accepted wisdom is that we have as much chance of winning as I have of getting another cap.
It's a realistic view when you consider both squads and also Scotland's stuttering start to the campaign. The Dutch are loaded with players from Real Madrid while we are in a blind panic because Birmingham City's sometime striker is unavailable.
James McFadden's absence is undoubtedly a blow but look at the clubs that provide the opposition's strike force and the gulf looks more like a chasm.

Looking at it logically maybe it is bordering on a lost cause, especially when we remember the last contest. Who could forget that 6-0 drubbing? George Burley is trying to but in the dark of night he will be haunted by it as much as the rest of us and he wasn't even the manager at the time.

So is it worth turning up? The answer is yes, and the reason is of course the unpredictability of football. Instead of looking back to the 6-0 game, what about the 1-0 win four days earlier at Hampden Park? Then there were the uplifting ties against Italy and more particularly those against France in the last campaign.

Beating the French in Paris was unimaginable but it happened. And even though it was Faddy who scored the winner, it was the organisation of the team and the workrate of the players that served up the points, as well as a little sprinkle of luck and a huge dollop of belief.

It is honestly the case that international players believe; they rarely if ever walk out on to a field and think about defeat. Playing for Scotland against the likes of the Netherlands, Germany or England I never expected to lose and none of my team-mates did either. In the European Championship in Sweden in 1992 we took on a great Dutch team that included Gullit, Van Basten and Bergkamp, and although they won 1-0 it was incredibly tight.

Maybe the current team isn't as good as that group but I have no doubt they could have the same spirit. It was evident under Walter Smith and Alex McLeish and somehow George Burley has to get that ethic working again to the same extraordinary level. It will take the usual Herculean effort of course but our midfield triumvirate of Scott Brown, Darren Fletcher and Barry Ferguson should be ready to put in the requisite shift.

These three have enough talent and experience to stand toe to toe with their opposite numbers in that crucial central area. The hope is that the Scots will treat it like the most important game of the season while the Dutch see it as just another tiresome outing in the procession towards qualification. I would like to see Brown stiffen Arjen Robben in the first five minutes, just to find out if they are up for it. Some of the players from these big clubs might not fancy the possibility of injury with the last vital months of the season imminent.

If the game is played at a continental pace and we sit off them, then there is every chance of another humiliating defeat. If we get in their faces for 90 minutes then maybe, just maybe, there could be an upset.

To make sure the Dutch do not control the play at their pace, there has to be some meaningful threat up front for Scotland. In that playing two strikers away from home is bordering on soccer suicide then Kenny Miller is the obvious choice, but on this occasion not for me the right one.

Steven Fletcher's performances over the past few weeks have shown that the Hibs striker is back to his very best after an admittedly patchy season. Vital goals against Hearts and Hamilton not only propelled his side up the table, they also restored his confidence and focus. He has the perfect game for a lone attacker; he chases everything down and never gives the defenders a second's peace. He has the ability and the strength to hold up the ball and the stamina to last for most, if not all, of the game – and Kenny Miller would be a great late replacement.

Even though Fletcher is capable of scoring, failure to find the net would not equate to total failure. The lone striker's main job is to allow willing midfielders to support and he is capable of buying time until Darren Fletcher and Brown arrive.

Just as importantly he is similar to McFadden, Brown and Darren Fletcher in that he not only believes he can beat anyone, but he does not fear reputations. His own international reputation has still to be forged, so even in days of blanket TV coverage, I suspect his style will be a bit of a surprise to the Oranje centre backs. So while we expect and need to win the points against Iceland, with the correct personnel I wouldn't write off an ambush in Amsterdam just yet.



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Finlang,

Switzerland 22/03/2009 01:09:55
Naughty, naughty, Patrick ...! But I agree. We don't have the technical skill, inventiveness or guile to match this Holland side. So a wee bit of the robust stuff (not the sending-off kind) and a moment or two of magic (please) to at least give us a respectable scoreline at the end of it. It's not impossible.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 01:31:00
bad day when one of our cultured players of the past advocates thuggery. Are things really that low that we can only win by foul means?

For the record - I never once saw Nevin put in a tackle (hard or otherwise)in fact he was often a victim of some thugs. Surprised he is endorsing this style of play.

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Finlang,

Switzerland 22/03/2009 01:39:43
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Lighten up compadre. Pat is taking the pss! We need to approach this fixture with a modicum of humour, and a touch of fair but rugged Scottishness. Better that than doom 'n' gloom.
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touchedRAW,

Kobe 22/03/2009 03:36:43
I was a bit surprised to see Pat using the term "stiffen" as well but i doubt he means thuggery.Surely he's referring to a stiff challenge from our most robust midfielder to let the likes of Robben know they're not going to have an easy game.Here's hoping.Cheers Pat.
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Celtic Forever,

Manchester riot survivor 22/03/2009 03:37:03
A modicum of humour...did we not lament about the the absence of the great Kirk Broadfoot...did Lee McCulloch not win some caps...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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madrab,

Edinburgh 22/03/2009 08:20:43
Since when has Brown become a fluffer?

Does he get special training for these duties?
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 22/03/2009 08:22:37
Would somebody please tell the cretin responsible for the on-line version of this rag that the'International' Section is for International News NOT for even more football cr-p for retards.
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archie pellagow,

stonedyke 22/03/2009 09:19:13
nice to hear some positive comments for a change,why shouldn't scotland take something from the dutch? a good positive attitude and a sense of self-awareness is often all that is needed,going into a game and thinking "i hope we don't get drubbed as bad as the last time" means you have lost the game already,we scots are in desperate need of a "collective change of attitudes",fortunately we do have some positive thinkers but alas not nearly enough,we should be giving our team more support instead of continually rubbishing them...thank you pat nevin for your comments
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Big Red,

Aberdeen 22/03/2009 09:46:41

No Surprise that Nevin advocates one of his love children down at Fester Road for a starting place.

I'm surprised he didn't whine about McNeil or Stevenson not being in the squad.

A gnome masquerading as a journalist.

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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 10:50:01
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Morning Patrick,

I think when people look over Watty's second term they will of course point to his abysmal dealings in the market - but he's actually done a lot worse than that. Look at the players he's let go for next to nothing.

Burke - a promising winger better than Beasley.

Gow - a good player at Falkirk never given a chance - much better than Miller.

Buffel - a decent player better than Novo

Adam - a goalscorer with a decnet left foot and all he needed was a fitness regime to turn him into a decent player.

Webster - a decent centre half never given a chance and better than Daily, McCulloch and Weir and Broadfoot.

Smith - a promising full back never given a sniff better than Whittaker and Braodfoot.

And numerous others including; Hemdani, Rae, Murray - all better than what's currently there.

Smith has bought big, sold low and has in effect driven Rangers into the gutter financially and on the park.

Murray should have known better, in his first term when Smith won 7 titles he also wasted fortunes - he was just lucky all the other teams had practically NO money to spend.



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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 10:51:59
The gulf in class between the players both nations can call on is huge and methinks its a damage limitation exercise. Read some comments over the last few days alluding to the results against France and how 'that can be done again' type attitude.
IMHO if you win the lottery once you shouldnt really expect your numbers to come up again. Scotland were unbelievably lucky in those 2 matches against France and to look for that type of circumstances to repeat itself once again is very hopeful.

BTW
Maybe the reason their is a huge chasim in the ability of both sets of players can be put down to coaching at grassroots level and the attitude that enables even one of Scotlands former skillful players in Pat Nevin to talk of ' stiffen Robben in the first five minutes, just to find out if they're up for it' .

Says it all really.
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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 10:53:41
Good to see the rabid bigot that is 9nr0
on his knees.

"Can someone please stiffen Walter Smith?"

Not so strong on the WATP mindset c-r-a-p today?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 10:55:07
Morning Bosco

Do you fancy us to win today?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 10:59:47
Crikey just read online Ferguson the ordinary one saying "We are not good enough"

Some admission from a captain trying to lead his team to a double.

I think Ferguson knows the gravy train is shuddering to a halt and he'll soon be sitting beside his big bra derek on Rangers TV doing wild punditry.
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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 11:15:24
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Feel confident about collecting the 3 points.

What do you think of the spin and rearranging the deck chairs bull coming out of Ibrox via WS?

Sounds like he is preparing the groundwork for some type of context to be put in place for evaluating his performance over the last 2 years.

I always did say he wasnt the genius bears made him out to be. I noted like many others his dire time at Everton and asked would the have canteen lady at Ibrox not managed RFC to titles during the 9IAR era bearing in mind the mess we were in at CFC and the quality of players brought to Ibrox.

Smiths time is nearing its end and i think he knows it.
His 'legacy' at Ibrox is now put into its rightful place.
An average manager with zillions to spend first time around so no competition, second time he wasnt up to the job.

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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 11:21:03
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Dont throw the bigot word around to bears such as Bemused, Dailyman or Invictager but you certainly qualify for that description.

Anyway not that long ago you were telling us how Smith would wipe the floor with WGS and how RFC would canter to a title. As per usual you were talking gash but thats ot surprising as yer not a footie man just a wee ignorant ned who is what Mr Murray descibed as
'the enemey within'.

Your types are despised by your own club.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 11:22:55
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I too feel good about today - it will be hard fought but I think we have the quality to prevail. Naka also has a great record as does VoH against DU. I can see both making a difference and Aiden was on fire last weekend in extra time, if he gives us some of that today then we could win in style.

As for Smith spot on. He was set up by Souness, handed tens of millions and failed to deliver. Yes he won the titles but hardly a big deal when Celtic were signing Wayne Biggins and never had a stadium while Rangers were signing internationalists in the mould of Gazza and Laudrup.

Still for all their millions Rangers never really did it in Europe - except for that one lucky run when Scott Nisbit was their star man.

Smith is preparing to exit - I genuinely think he doesn't want to hang around and face the boo boys - he doesn't have the will or energy for it and to be honest at 61 and a millionaire with a placein RFC history, I'd be the same - I'd walk and leave them to it. This is very similar to Billy McNeill's second terms as Celtic manager.
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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 11:23:28
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Yeah i agree that Bemused is a tad too pessimistic about the chances of RFC winning the title. Plenty of footie still to be played and although we at CFC are in the driving seat we are far from an irresistable force.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 11:28:39
21 Morning Invictager

Yes it was a shock result and could have been worse - McGregor saved RFC in the last minute from a defeat.

You are right not to give up - Celtic still have to go to Tannadaice, Tynecastle and Ibrox - hardly easy street.

After the split we could have the following fixtures.

Celtic fixtures (not in this order)

Hibs H
DU - H
Hearts - H
Aberdeen - A
Rangers - A

Rangers fixtures (not in order)

Celtic - H
Hibs - H
Aberdeen - H
Dundee Utd - A
Hearts - A

Hard to tell who has the easier of the fixtures and of course Motherwell could still make the last six.

But I am sure there will be points dropped by both sides.

I still fancy us to be the stronger in the run in - bigger and better squad.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 11:36:43
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The 93 team was no great shakes and if you are being honest with yourself - you know that Leeds should have beaten you home and away - they had more of the play and most of the chances. Goram saved RFC in both games. Watch the re-runs. That said at Elland Rd you did score two great goals from Hately and McCoist.

You also scored a lot of flukey goals in that run - Nisbit v Bruges, Ian Ferguson's deflected effort in Germany, McCoist's scrambled effort v Leeds, the last ten minutes v Marseille at Ibrox when you were totally outplayed and outfought and outthought yet scored two goals from hopeful crosses into the box.

Don't kid yourself on that Rangers in 93 were a great team - admittedly they were all great triers but they were not a brilliant side full of quality. If they were a great team they would have done more in the otther season around it. They didn't. Their luck ran out after a few months of very very good fortune had taken them further than they deserved.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 11:47:37
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I don't think anyone would argue with that : who would pay ferguson ÂŁ30k a week. To be brutally honest, I think he'd struggle to get a game in any top 6 side at the moment.

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22/03/2009 11:50:37
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I am not saying you weren't hard to beat - in fact I'd go as far to say you were probably one of the hardest teams to beat in Europe at that time - you had some big strong never say die players (not unlike MON's Celtic team).

But don't kid on you had quality. You were the Wimbledon of the Champions league and got lucky on many occasions to progress - not unlike last season's uefa run.

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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 11:51:47
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Yes it's that sad.

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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 11:58:02
Listening to superscoreboard from yesterday, and it is a giggle.
One rangers fan arguing that fanz shouldn't buy any season tickets and force the club into administration.
This, he argues would get rid of moonbeams.

And the club, I would have thought .
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 12:02:21
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Yeah I heard that guy - Peter Martin's reply "Don't you think that's a bit drastic" was funnier.

But funniest thing of all yesterday was Hugh Keevins saying "Hearts should forget coming out for the second half and that the game was over" Shocks me that Keevins is picking up a wage for such inept reporting -a mna of his age and experience should know better.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 12:05:44
I think bougherra will be sold in the summer and the cash will go straight to debt.

Eck mcleish has said he'll be back in for boydchenko, again, I don't think the manager will see a thin dime of the take.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 12:12:59
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Invictager, think five years from now,

say Celtic are on course for nine in a row and RFC are third or fourth. They are being managed by say Billy Davies and haven't won a trophy for three years and the crowds are below 20,000. On top of that Murray has put no money in and RFC can't afford a basic SPL player. Tell me this - would you be queuing up to buy a season ticket? Would you be paying to watch setanta showing Rangers play Falkirk for a place in the Uefa Cup? Would you be paying to travel to say Holland to watch Rangers get well hammered by Breda in the first round of the Uefa Cup?

There is only son much a fan can pay for before he/she realises it's not worth the money. And demos and boycotts will actually be doing the club more good than harm. In 1990s I was a season ticket holder at Celtic Park pre-Fergus and I could understand the Celts for Change campaign. I am glad it happened and glad it changed. The old board would have watched it all go t1ts up. Sometimes you need desperate measures for desperate times.

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22/03/2009 12:17:14
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 12:17:28
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Anyone can say "my son joined the Celtic academy" Just as anyone can say "My Mother was a catholic or protestant"

Bosco's claims you are a bigot are nothing to do with your son, or your preferences to meat or your footballing "career". They are based on months of posts that have come across as anti-Irish or anti-Catholic. Maybe you should change your tune and people will accept you are not a bigot.

Ps..don't bother going all reactionary and defensive on me - I can't be bothered today. I am trying to help you.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 12:18:39
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Can you remember RFC in the early 1980s?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 12:20:03
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ps I was talking to invictager - not you.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 12:21:38
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If rangers go out of business, lord knows how long it would be before any new club e.g. Rangers united, got back to anything like parity with Celtic, if ever.

It would mean starting in the bottom division like airdrie had to do, and working up. How big is rangers 'through thick and thin' fan base ? People who'd shell out to come along and watch games against brechin, stranraer and stenhousemuir ? What quality of player would they attract ? What quality of manager and coaching staff?

Honestly, if rangerz fanz withold their season ticket money, they will bring the whole thing crashing down and any new club formed to fill the gap would be toiling in the lower divisions for years.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 12:27:51
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Disagree, if it happened a money man/woman would enter the equation and pump the cash in. Why? He/she would know there is a critical mass to guarantee a return on their money.

Whatever we say about Rangers, their are more than a few million people buying into the brand. That's more than enough for any business to survive.

If they started at the bottom they'd be back up there within five years.

They would only be in trouble if a money man/woman came in and the fans never got behind him/her. Imagine say someone like JP McManus took over and changed Rangers to a club owned and run by an Irish Catholic - I doubt they would buy season tickets to feather his nest.
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22/03/2009 12:28:00
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 12:29:10
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I told you not to be defensive.

Just listen, pay heed and change your tune - then you'll not risk accusation. Simple really.
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big bucks,

22/03/2009 12:29:49
I am confident Celtic should get the victory they need today to heap the pressure on the teds,as evey game from now on in would be a must win game for them.
But there's the problem i have been in this position several times this season only for us to drop points and let rangers claw themselves back into contention.
So there will be no gloating from me until the fat jester sings.

I am also a bit worried about Bemused exile throwing in the towel,surely he has some inside info from murray park maybe they are about unveil fleck the even younger,after all he is the sultan of spin.
Where have statler and Waldorf disappeared to,i noticed bto stuck his head in when he new everyone had gone but no pundit he's still making his way back from the game via siberia.
So c'mon Celts show us you are up for 4 in arow by beating utd today
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Bosco Bhoy,

----Donegal------ 22/03/2009 12:45:24
Looks like 9nr0 is on a downward spiral just like his beloved club.
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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 12:47:59
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Still got probs with newsreaders who dont meet your strict criteria of being--- well, not being white?
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 12:49:28
I'm fairly confident that Celtic will get the three points today. We've blown opportunities to pull away from rangers alerady this season, but this time I think we have the impetus that comes from beating rangers in a cup final with the whole team performing well.

I think united are gettin g us at a bad time from their point of view. Most of our players know what it takes to win a title, and I think we'll see an excellent performance from Celtic, with everyone working their socks off, good passing and a couple of goals.

Dundee U 1 Celtic 2
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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 12:49:42
He talks of backbone but didnt see much backbone from him in the hours and days after the Cup final loss last weekend.

This was left to the true footballing bears such as Bemused and Dailyman who have no agenda.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 12:50:48
OK Ninenro if you really want to see evidence
Try these;

ninenro,On the Raz 21/02/2008 20:17:34
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Dont mention spuds!!!If you were left in charge of them then who knows.Famine maybe !!18 carrat plonker !!

128 ninenro,27/04/2008 14:33:46
What is that fat pie Borat doing with some Pope t-shirt on ! I thought he was gonnae handcuff himself tae the goalpost for a minute !

410 ninenro,20/04/2008 21:33:14
They all suffer from rabid inferiority complexes and over compensate by using lies and deflection as a way of feeling equal. It`s sad really but a sad fact of 21st Century culturally diverse Britain

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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 12:58:48
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Why do you ask ?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 13:00:31
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No autograph, just removal of religious and racial bigotry will do.

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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 13:05:15
9nro - it's sad you don't even see it. Knew you were a waste of time and space.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 13:07:38
Peace and Love to you to Ribbonman.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 13:09:58
Celtic team -

No Loovens (calf), No McManus(ankle),

VofH up front.

Boruc
Hinkel
Naylor
O'Dea
Caldwell
Hartley
Naka
Brown
Aiden
McD
VoH

Surprised no Crosas. Still think we've enough out there to win it.
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big bucks,

22/03/2009 13:10:10
Ninny the game is up as i have said before you must be a Celtic fan at the wind up thats taken it to far and now you've slipped up by saying your son plays for the Celtic academy.
How else can you explain being such a nausating vangaurd bear it must be a pi$$ take as most of your fellow bears cringe when you come on here. If you were a true bear surely you wouldn't make yourself look such a clown.Or would you.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 13:12:58
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BB, his son is nowehere near Celtic academy - he's just trying to cover up for his misgivings. He's a sad wee bigot, thinks he's clever but in fact he's so thick he can't even see or understand what he is doing.

Leave him be, he doesn't deserve our time.

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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 13:17:35
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Re Crosas, I would like to see the young fella given more game time to adjust to the SPL.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 13:23:19
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Crosas has looked a very tidy player although I thought he had a stinker in the 1v0 defeat to saint mirren. Mind you, he wasn't the only one that day.

I thought Hartley had a great game in the CIS Final, and I think he deserves the jersey for the moment. But Crosas I've no doubt will come back into the team at some point. Looks a fantastic propect.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 13:38:51
welcome back DVincent, sounds like you had a good time in France.

I am off to Italy in a few weeks myself but not skiing.

I guess when you got to the top of the piste you must have felt like Walter Smith and thoiught "It's all downhill from here"

Looking forward to a good game today.

Mon the hoops
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 13:48:58
barry robson and shaun maloney trained on friday and should be available for selection within two weeks according to channel 67.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 13:53:29
I predict 3-1 Celtic

Goalscorers -

O'Dea
McD
VoH

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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 13:54:00
It's a massive three points that are up for grabs today. This is our 4th meeting this season and we haven't managed a win in 90 minutes so far.
Overall, we have the better players, and you would think that that extra bit of quality would shine through at some point.

Dundee U are well organised, dangerous and have some good players. But we are better and we're chasing a title. We should be winning games like this.
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22/03/2009 13:54:34
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that's great news - like two new signings.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 14:01:40
5 minutes gone and Aiden looks on fire...good start by the hoops
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22/03/2009 14:20:02
1-0 McD nets...
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 14:29:23
Terrible challenge by Warren Feeney...could have broken Scott B's leg. Disgrace.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 14:44:55
A fine first half from the hoops. A deserved lead and some lovely stuff played by Aiden especially.

Now we need to go and finish it off in the second half and we'll be 5 points clear.

We can't take anything for granted and we mustn't take our foot off the gas.

Pleased to see some of the one touch stuff - delightful. Also tactical masterstroke again from WGS playing Naka on the left and Aiden on the right - this switch has DU playing guessing games as they never expected the switch.

One big problem - VoH. He's just too slow for Celtic, he seems to be adding nothing.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 14:49:38
Feeney should've been red carded for that. Ref bottled it, no question.

We've dominated most of the first 45 and well deserve our lead. Great save from their 'keeper has kept them in it, and a vital clearance of the line.

Still, just the one goal for all our efforts, and united might very well have a goal in them today. Far from over, but the champions are looking good for three points.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 14:50:35
We do need the second and I actually think we'll score another two in the second half.

I tipped O'Dea and VoH to score as well as McD and I think that will happen.

We are looking dangerous today.

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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 14:52:23
Big Jan started quite well. I thought his first 20 odd minutes looked encouraging, but he's faded out towards the end of the second half.
As is his custom, I don't expect Strachan to make any changes before 60mins are up. But Jan looks ripe for the hook if he doesn't start imposing himself more.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 14:57:32
One option for Strachan would be to take Jan off , bring flood on and push mcgeady forward a la CIS final.
McGeady looks on fire today, and flood would be a very able deputy out on the right.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 15:00:36
1-1

But I did say we'll win 3-1.

Poor marking from Celtic.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 15:01:29
VofH again not picking his man up.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 15:11:21
bliddy hell we were sleeping at that free kick. Can't believe we conceded such an easy goal. We totally switched off.

Unbelievable.
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22/03/2009 15:14:52
Half an hour to come from behind and win a game that should be out of sight.
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Bosco Bhoy,

----Donegal----- 22/03/2009 15:28:24
I see the ranting bigot is back with us chatting about his fav subject of religion.
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22/03/2009 15:34:01
Get in Naylor!!!!! Ya Beauty!!!!!!!!
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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 15:39:29
You lead such a sad life. Its tragic your a father and have the ability to shape a young life.

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22/03/2009 15:40:28
ninenro,30/04/2008
All threads closed down by the Green and White Cyber Terrorists ! Multiculturalism is truly magnificent !
Sad reflection of modern Day Scotland !!!

ninenro,28/04/2008 20:19:44
Talking about the bad fire ! Poor Artur thinks he`s one of you lot cos he loves the Pontiff. Little does he know that unless you are Irish Catholic you are only two green shield stamps above Ian Paisley ! Fat Fool !

ninenro,20/04/2008 20:28:20
1&2 and a bhoy named Boo! Hoo!
I hope you are all gutted you bunch of tools !!! Get it round you !!! WATP !!! 2 down 2 to go !!!
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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 15:41:57
The contents of post 123 sort of sums you up.

Intolerance is alive and kicking.

You need help.
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22/03/2009 15:42:36
Bosco I don't know why you even bother...leave the scum to smell in his own dark dank corner.
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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 15:43:14
Gays, black newsreaders. Irish Catholics.....the question is who is next?
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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 15:47:38
Now its RC schools. You have to love the predictability of it all.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 15:48:14
2-2 we'll take that. Still 3 points clear with one game less to go. A good weekend for the hoops - given we went to a very hard place to get a result and Rangers let 2 more home points slip.

Well played Celtic, a great game and unlucky not to take all three, but a great performance nonetheless.

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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 15:50:03
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As you say we went away from home and got a point at a tough venue, the bears dropped 2 points at home after leading 2-0 so i would say we defo gained over the weekend.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 15:50:04
Bosco why entertain this saddo. He's hardly worth it, is he? You are dignifying his points by reacting - ignore this minor irritation - he'll soon go away.

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Bosco Bhoy,

22/03/2009 15:51:48
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Yeah i know your right but sometimes this trash needs confronting although its a waste of time with his type.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 15:56:48
A great football match, although I'm disappointed with the result. We had several chances in both halves and should have scored more. Naylor's strike was an absolute bullet, and I thought we'd go on from there and win the match.

But dundee united were very good in the second half and at times looked as though they had 12 men on the park...their fitness level is excellent.

We were sleeping for the second goal...a very bad one to give away. Overall, this was a missed opportunity but we did well to draw level as united were holding out strongly and whilst maintaining a strong goal threat.

I'm glad we'll have them and the jambos at CP after the split.

Still three points clear having played one less home match , and after a weekend when rangers were at home and we were away to what has proved our bogey team this season.
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George Kay,

Top of the World, Ma... 22/03/2009 16:03:07
A real opportunity to put serious daylight between ourselves and Rangers somewhat squandered, but no harm done over the weekend as a whole with one less away game to go.

It'll feel a little less painful than Rangers 2-2 yesterday, because we didn't throw away a two goal advantage and we did score last. But what is it with this Dundee Utd side? Four times we've drawn with them over 90 minutes this season, and in all three SPL games we've scored first yet not been able to hang on. If Levein could get this effort out of his men every week they'd be free and clear in third place. Still, another title looks on the cards, and Naylor's goal might prove very important.
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George Kay,

22/03/2009 16:10:57
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What's with the cyber hard man act? Do you have coherent arguments to present to the other posters or are you just here to offend?
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 17:36:15
I heard Levein's post match interview and he said he was disappointed with the result. I think both managers are entitled to some disappointment, but actually, Strachan should be the more aggrieved.

The second goal conceeded was very, very sloppy : we just switched off and it was that goal that had us chasing the game to the extent that we were. We would have been far more composed as long as the score stood at 1V1, but it got pretty wild after going 2V1 down.
It made for first class entertainment : it was a like a cup tie, with both teams giving it all guns blazing.

Even so, after Celtic drew level I thought we looked likely to go on and win the match, and although levein no doubt feels disappointed to lose a lead with 10 minutes left, I think on reflection he'll also be thankful that Celtic couldn't turn the pressure that followed into a goal...had daly's overhead kick gone in at the end I think it would have been a cruel injustice.
Overall, a draw was a fair reflection of the 90 minutes.
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big bucks,

still top of the league 22/03/2009 17:58:31
I enjoyed the game today,it was very exciting which went end to end,and although disapointed about the result,a draw was a fair result.
I think Celtic were the better team in the first half and united better in the second with both teams having chances to snatch the winner
I have stuck up for big Jan while others have slated him,but i cannot defend him any longer he contributes nothing to the team. He should be dropped never mind being made captain,and someone like hutchinson given the chance,or i would even prefer big sammy(i can't believe i said that.Maybe even try a new formation similar to the one we played in the league cup final.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 18:13:31
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Both goals were down to bad defending, although we were far more culpable at the second goal. That really was a horror story. McManus has taken a lot of stick this season, but I wager at least one of those goals would have been stopped today had he been fit.

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Agree about big jan. I thought he started well enough today winning a few knock ons and involved in some good passing movements. But he'd disappeared before half-time and in the second half we were playing with 10 men until Sami came.

I thought Sami did ok. He used the ball well, switching play with some inch perfect passing a few times. He only had 15 minutes, but he threw himself into the action. At least he was involved which is more than you can say for Jan.

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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 18:23:23
I think in a weekend when we were away at tannadice and rangers were at home to hearts, I would always have settled for maintaining the three point lead.
Under Levein, a draw at tannadice is always a decent enough result...if they play like that the next time rangers are up there's virtually no chance of rangers taking three points.

I hope united get third spot because I'd like to see how they'd get on in the uefa. I think they could go on a decent run in that tournament.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 19:25:59
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A draw up at tannadice is ok, but a draw at home with the jambos...well , that isnae ok.
In fact, a draw at home against the jambos after being 2v0 up and coasting well into the second half, is, well, a nightmare.

Still, rangers aren't out of the race yet, but this was a weekend when rangers would have expected to close the gap...we hadn't managed to beat them in 90 minutes three times this season, so it was always going to be a close match, and with home advantage, levein's men had a case to hope for all three points.

I'm glad we got through today's fixtures with the three point gap restored. Next up the champions are at home to hamilton whilst rangers face a trip to falkirk who've just hammererd caley 4v0 and who are fighting for their lives at the moment....not a good time to go to falkirk methinks...can't think of a worse time quite honestly.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 19:31:13
We play hamilton on the saturday and if we win, rangers will go to falkirk on sunday 6 points behind.
Should be an explosive match...can see a few red cards in that one.
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Shape to Shoot,

22/03/2009 19:51:13
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It wasn't a good result for us either. Anything short of three points in the home games isn't acceptable.
But it was the manner of rangers collapse which I thought was ominous.

Those kind of reverses unsettle a team's confidence. Had Celtic got beat today, I think the rangers players would have been better able to put the hearts game behind them, as they would have narrowed the gap and I think that would have given them a lift.
But had they held on for a win, they'd be sitting 1 point behind us at the top instead of three, and that is hard to take.
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The new waspy,

22/03/2009 20:30:09
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"Rangers will win the league, Gers fans just have to keep believing."
And if I win the Predictor anything is possible

POS NAME POINTS
1031. waspy100 141
1158. scottishturk 140
1260. TheOriginalMoth 139
1433. Honesty_and_Balance 138
2316. TalkoftheToun 132
2591. Armysamcdonald22 130
3303. ELEMERALDCITY 127
3665. GorgieBoysRInTown 125
3954. Pulitzer1 124
4562. StevenNiclas 121

This weeks top ten and guess whos top of the tree.

Dont think it may last but then who knows.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 20:38:01
Much as Rangers fans are trying to extract some optimism from today's result - they know the inevitable is Celtic will win the league.

This Rangers team doesn't have it in them to win the league - little quality, no bottle and a fractured club from top to bottom.

Unless WGS does an MON and hands Rangers the title then there I can't see RFC being champions or any way close. Rangers fans just have to admit - the stuff is not there.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 20:38:59
pundit, if Turk is a GRM are you a GERM?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 20:39:44
Gotta say Liverpool are on fire just now - I think they look good for Champions League glory once again - but maybe the title is too much to ask.

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The new waspy,

22/03/2009 20:46:38
#176
Thanks but if you had taken all of the results as 0-0
draws you would have scored 11 points.
Does this mean that apart from a few teams the rest have at last nullified each other.
I mean ITC rising under Butcher and getting beat 4-0 by Falkirk
Think ITC had their moment of the season at Ibrox and will probably go down.
Then again Ive been wrong in the past and will be so in the future.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 20:47:50
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LOL...GERM stands for Grubby English Rangers Muppet

Turk is just a Grubby Rangers Muppet! LOL
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The new waspy,

22/03/2009 21:04:21
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Never new you were English.
Used to get on with them till I married one.
Only joking
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The new waspy,

22/03/2009 21:14:42
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I first hit England in '69 married in '75 and love it.
Country town every body is close like a big extented family.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 21:15:21
Pundit lighten up, I was only jesting FFS.

Do I have something against the english not at all - mancs maybe, but not English.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 21:24:41
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Who's on the defensive? Ya daftie you can't even see when I toying with you.

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22/03/2009 21:25:16
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Pundit are you ashamed of being english?
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22/03/2009 21:28:39
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No, I was just calming you down - you seem highly strung this evening for some reason. Sorry for calling you a Grubby English Rangers Muppet - never realised I was so close to the truth.



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22/03/2009 21:30:19
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That's garbage that movie. Jack Black right? If so, then life's too short as it's one pile of cr-ap, it's almost as bad as watching Rangers FFS!
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The new waspy,

22/03/2009 21:33:25
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Yes.
Whole family round today kids and grandkids done my head in.
(not really)
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Daillyman,

22/03/2009 21:40:26
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You have been very mellow this last little while.

Well done.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 21:42:14
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Must have been my life lessons - either that or he's been listening to Daniel O'Donnell's greatest hits.

Did you see the game today Brian?
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22/03/2009 21:43:19
203 Brought a tear to your eye? Crikey...GERM now stands for Greeting English Rangers Muppet.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 21:44:33
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No that interested in Rugger! Always thought it was a disorganised rabble played by men with funny shaped balls.
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Daillyman,

22/03/2009 21:46:02
Just caught a bit of the 2nd half, a fair result from what I have read.

I had the tic to win 3-1 on the predictor, and the Gers to win 2-0. At least Lafferty got the first goal, so I got some points.
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The new waspy,

22/03/2009 21:47:23
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Not half makes up for SKY cutting me of last week.
Mind you I cancelled 30 months ago when I took Setanta
and they just got round to it.
Really big LOL
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 21:47:53
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Anger management is working. Well done you are developing. But how long can it last? How long before you are back to your old daft ways?

You are a bit similar to Gazza these days Pundit. Washed up, incomprehendable, desperately trying to be normal and looking at a future in and out of therapy.

You can do it. You can be normal someday. Keep believing.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 21:50:36
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It was a great game Brian and a draw just about fair - though Celtic should have had it sewn up in the first half - but as you well know football's about playing the full ninety.

I really enjoyed the game today, it was one of those mini classics. The goals were good and the action was end to end.

Good stuff from the Champions and another hard fixture out of the way with the lead still in tact.

No grumbles.
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22/03/2009 21:53:02
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Aw Pundit come on, me a troublemaker? How unfeeling of you to call me that. I think I will go and rip a tissue now that you've picked on me.

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22/03/2009 21:53:11
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CFC supporters rarely grumble when they dont lose. lol
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 21:56:08
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True but some people grumble when they draw. RFC fans were no too happy about yesterday - even though it was a good first hour by RFC and a good fightback by HoM - who could have won it at the death but for a fine McGregor save.

The wee narra people should have just been happy to have gone home having watched an action packed match. But naw it was boos all round.
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22/03/2009 21:58:26
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Aye I do. Does that mean you'll be buying me more tissues - I am ripping them up into confetti here.
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22/03/2009 21:59:04
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I never knew you gave "massages of love"

Is it good income or just a side job. lol
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Daillyman,

22/03/2009 22:03:55
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If you have a 2 goal lead and cant close a game down to preserve the 3 points then the punters have a right to moan.

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Had United won the game 2-1 after trailing the Celtic at half time, there would have been more than a few upset CFC supporters.
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22/03/2009 22:04:00
Pundit are you mellow today because it's Mother's Day and you are thinking of your mum taking you to chapel (sorry ribbon)and wondering where it all went wrong for you?
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Daillyman,

22/03/2009 22:06:25
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This is either a clone talking, or a bottle of single malt! lol
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

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I don't know what is more scary - Ribbon being Nice or Nasty?

Hand me that single malt Brian.
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Vincent don't you think GERM is a better name for Pundit - Greeting English Rangers Muppet.
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22/03/2009 22:13:48
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The RBMN does call a spade a spade.

Nice or nasty, he voices his opinions.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 22:17:09
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"Nice or Nasty he voices his opinions"

I am so glad I don't.

Hey Brian, I am off to Rome for Easter. Almost two weeks without me. But who knows I may sneak on the internet when ma missus is doing her Gucci shopping.

Also Brian, what do you make of George Galloway being banned from Canada?

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22/03/2009 22:18:22
241 - it's because it's Mother's Day and we are all Jess Tamson's bairns - except pundit, he's English.
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Vincent apparently Canada thought he was a danger to the public interest because he is anti war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Daillyman,

22/03/2009 22:22:22
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Have not followed the Galloway story and really dont know anything about the man.

I got back here last Wednesday, form a week in Glasgow, and am off to Myrtle Beach on the 16th of April for a week on the links.
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22/03/2009 22:24:25
from a week in Glasgow
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

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No scorn, just stating Pundiot can't be a bairn or be related to Jess Tamson because of his nationality. He could be maybe Mother Hubbard's whippersnapper but my guess is he's just Bet Lynch's illegal sprog.
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22/03/2009 22:27:22
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Cheapest place for a golf holiday in the world, and fabulous golf courses. We do it twice year.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 22:27:53
Nite ribbon.

Song moment

He left me... crying in the chapel
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 22:28:55
Brian the golf sounds good - even though I am rubbish at the game - I do love it. I once took sunstroke playing golf on Britain's largest course. Any guesses where Brian?
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22/03/2009 22:33:52
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I am not that good either, I just enjoy the good times out with the lads.

No idea, but I will guess Troon, or St Andrews
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22/03/2009 22:36:46
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They did have a rough winter, lots of rain and cooler weather. But with roughly 100 courses within a 70 mile radius of Myrtle Beach we will be fine, as we only play 5 rounds in 7 days
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22/03/2009 22:39:14
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Believe it or not the largest is Tewkesbury 6000 yards if I recall, and it was a long slog going round it in 85 degrees.

My game went to pot at the seventh. Later that afternoon in the clubhouse, I felt really ill and I couldn't go to the conference the next day. (sorry forgot to mention it was a business golfing day out)

Tewkesbury Brian is famous for getting flooded every year it rains heavy in Britain. It's low lying land and the town always gets cut off - it's just below Birmingham near the Cotswolds/Gloucestershire.

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22/03/2009 22:45:38
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never been to the algarve - heard it's great for a holiday - golfing or otherwise.
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22/03/2009 22:49:03
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John Daley has one of his signature courses called Wicked Stick, from the back tees it plays 7000 yards, and has one par 5 that is 611 yards.

The one plus it is wide open, no trees but has the water and sand that SC courses are famous for.

If you get a chance look online at The Witch and The Wizard in Myrtle Beach.
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22/03/2009 22:53:41
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Stand corrected it 6533. Welsh National is 7,433.

It might be one of the longest. I was with a group of colleagues who mentioned the size, I must have picked up on longest...when they mentioned it was on of the longest.

Still 6533 is a fair way (no pun intended)
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22/03/2009 22:56:36
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Also if you like water on a course checkout "Man O'War" golf course in Myrtle Beach.

If you ever play there bring 3 dozen golf balls. lol
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22/03/2009 22:59:24
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Brian there was a guy here in the UK who was arrested for fishing golf balls out of a pond and re-selling them.
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22/03/2009 23:02:50
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Problem was he was selling the as rare duck eggs to the local fermer.
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22/03/2009 23:04:51
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I thank I have told you before, there is a CFC supporters club about a mile and half from the Gers club.

Every August we play a club vs club golf match, with the porceeds raised going to a local children charity.

The cup is called the RanCel Trophy.

Over the last 5 years approx. $20-25,000 has been donated between the 2 clubs.
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22/03/2009 23:05:27
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He wasn't blind or dumb...in fact he was an expert in his own field.
201

TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 23:06:19
273

Nice touch that.
202

TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

22/03/2009 23:08:30
On that good news that kids charities are benefiting from OF rivalry, I'll bid you all goodnight.

Until next time...

TM logging out
203

Daillyman,

22/03/2009 23:08:53
269

It is a big business here and down south.

Spoke to a couple a guys who were in scuba gear on a course in SC a few years ago, the had a load of golf courses as clients, they were making a fortune as was the course club house, selling used balls. They also told us they sold used balls to large department stores
204

Daillyman,

22/03/2009 23:16:40
281

I used Taylors up until about 3 years ago.

My mates dad is retired millwright and he got into making clubs in his garage for something to do.

He managed to get a hold of schematics from Ping and he now makes Ping clones or knock offs. He will check your height etc, and make them for you, cost me $400.00 when I bought them from him.
205

Daillyman,

22/03/2009 23:25:15
283

The golf gear, bags, clubs, balls etc are pretty expensive in the UK.

I remember when the Taylor made graphite bubble driver came out years ago here it could be bought for $450.00, I remember seeing the same club in the club house at Carnoustie later that same summer while on holiday, and the price was 450 quid!
206

Daillyman,

22/03/2009 23:31:37
283

If you have used the same potter for 25 years stick with it.

Last year my wife got me a new Muzoni putter for my birthday, I had been so used to my old putter it was very difficult to use the new one I tried it, but just did not feel the same. I still keep it in my bag, I dont wnat to offend the wife, but I still use the old one.
207

Daillyman,

22/03/2009 23:32:28
Must go,

Later
208

Daillyman,

22/03/2009 23:34:32
287 dv

I am not touching that statement, "a little kink in the shaft" lol

Nite

 

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