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Reasons to be cheerful


SNP: ONE YEAR ON

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Published Date: 20 April 2008
As the anniversary nears of Alex Salmond's election victory, Scotland on Sunday asked some of the country's most prominent figures for their verdicts on his Government so far
IAN RANKIN

AUTHOR

I'm a lot more sanguine that I was before the election. There seems to be thought in the party, as well as ideas and individuals with personality. There hasn't been that much you can point to and they have been keeping the ship steady. Almost everybody I know who weren't SNP supporters says they are pleasantly surprised. That is partly due to the London parties shooting themselves in the foot. But they have had a lucky ride so far and I'm sure it won't last.

SIR TOM FARMER

ENTREPRENEUR

I was with someone earlier today who wasn't a supporter who told me that they were surprised by the SNP administration and admitted that they had proved him wrong. That sums up what would apply to so many people. There is a general feeling that things are happening for the better. There is a buzz about the place. People feel that there is a change taking place. I can't put a finger on it but there is a freshness of approach. There is a feel-good factor. People feel that in Alex Salmond there is a strong man who leads the party, and whether they agree with him or not they feel that at least we have a leader who is fighting Scotland's corner.

SIR PETER BURT

FORMER CHAIRMAN OF ITV

Although they haven't actually made any major changes to date, one thing they have done for the first time in many years is create a feel-good factor, in the sense that we are more in control of our own destiny. That must be a good thing. The most engaging thing about the SNP minority Government is the appearance of a really professional approach and a consequent increase in the confidence which the electorate have in the role of the Scottish Parliament. Although most of their achievements have been relatively insignificant this is perhaps not surprising, given their minority position. It also takes time to settle in. It will be interesting to see what they achieve over the next three years.

MICHAEL FRY

HISTORIAN

I was one of those who converted to the SNP, and I switched not without some misgivings because I thought it might all be a bit too left-wing. But we have got moderate, pragmatic sensible government. There have been a few tactical mistakes, like over Trump, but nothing too bad. I think Scots do not sleep more uneasily because of Alex Salmond. On the contrary, they sleep more securely.

CHRISTOPHER BROOKMYRE

NOVELIST

One year is far too short a period to judge anything. That's especially with regard to the question of independence. It's way too soon to make any real judgment.

TOM DEVINE

HISTORIAN

In the updated version of my book, The Scottish Nation, which took the story down to 2007, a new chapter looked at the performance of the post-devolution Governments to May of last year. The conclusion was that although there were a number of achievements, such as the ban on smoking in public places and the attack on sectarianism, there was little to set the heather on fire or come anywhere close to satisfying the expectations of the generation which had struggled for a Scottish Parliament.

If a new chapter was to be added, it would have to be acknowledged that the SNP Government has been by far the most effective post-devolution executive to date. Yes, some of its initiatives have tended towards the populist rather than the substantive, and the disarray of the opposition has also given it a fair wind. But the overall quality of leadership and the collective talent at ministerial level are a marked improvement on the past. The SNP has certainly demonstrated it can run the country well and its political credibility has been much enhanced as a result.

I am doubtful, however, despite the ebb and flow of the polls, that the Government's performance fundamentally affects the independence issue. My sense is that most Scots would still favour a robust defence of the nation's interests, of the kind offered by the SNP, within the Union, together with additional powers for the present Scottish Parliament.

TAM DALYELL

FORMER LABOUR MP

I think Alex Salmond is drawing enormous goodwill from his opposition at an early stage to the Iraq war and the action in Afghanistan. My view is that there has got to be a referendum but that there should be a question on whether or not you wish the Scottish Parliament to continue. My view is that if the Parliament continues then it is a motorway to independence because everyone in any parliament wants more power – even the Tories want it now in Scotland.

JENNI CALDER

WRITER

In some ways things have shaped up better than I expected. However, there are areas of disappointment. They seem to want to celebrate Scottish culture and they want to blow the cultural trumpet but they are not prepared to back that up with resources.

SAM GALBRAITH

FORMER LABOUR HEALTH MINISTER

The SNP Government has been very poor. All they have done are the populist things. That is good for becoming popular but it isn't good for the country. They haven't taken any hard decisions at all. I think the local income tax will be their poll tax. Alex Salmond is damaging the country greatly with a series of whines and whinges, generating fake problems. The day of reckoning is about to come. We are no closer to independence.

JAMES MITCHELL

PROFESSOR OF POLITICS, STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY

The SNP has governed as it campaigned a year ago. It has been upbeat and positive, avoiding the bombast of the past. Its message has been constructive. Relations with London have been unremarkable other than in confounding critics who predicted endless battles with London. There have been skirmishes, but no more so than in any normal system of inter-governmental relations, nor even than relations between the old Scottish Office and the rest of Whitehall. Only the delusional and partisans interpret differences between Holyrood and Westminster as a game plan to foster conflict. Predictions of another election within months have also been confounded.

Minority government has limited the SNP's ability to implement its manifesto but less so than might have been expected. Minority government has rapidly taken on a Scandinavian feel – requiring majority-building in Parliament – and the SNP has taken to it with ease. Polls on independence fluctuate wildly and are fairly meaningless, not least because the prospect of a referendum seems distant. Ironically, it has taken an SNP Government to show how devolution should work.

IAIN McMILLAN

DIRECTOR OF CBI SCOTLAND

The track record of the SNP Scottish Government in its first year has been mixed. On the positive side, the urgent review of Scotland's transport needs and confirmation of a raft of new strategic transport projects, including the M74 and second Forth crossing, was very welcome, as was the fresh energy applied to improving Scotland's planning regime and reducing the business rate burden on small firms. On the negative side, the proposal to replace the council tax with a local income tax will send out a signal that Scotland is a high tax country and burden employers with yet more tax-collecting red tape.

JAMES ROBERTSON

NOVELIST

There are some obvious differences. There are no tolls on the Forth and Tay bridges, prescription charges are not going up. But it's the changes in mood that are most noticeable, there is a lot more optimism in the air. I also think that Scotland is a lot more visible internationally, which is a good thing. Generally, the signs are good.

TOBY PATERSON

ARTIST

If anything has changed it's my opinion about them. Before the election I was arguing with my friends that they should not vote for the SNP and that it would be dangerous to vote for them. I don't like tub-thumping nationalism. I wouldn't necessarily vote for them, but I do think that things are a lot smoother than I expected.

WILLIE McILVANNEY

WRITER

The new administration represents a real chance for the Scottish Parliament and Scotland to forge a new and much more realistic identity. The first years of the Parliament were just a clumsy clone of Westminster. I think now that we have a chance to look at the problems we have and to get to grips with them.

MICHAEL MARRA

SONGWRITER

What I want is to be a democratic republic. People should be in power because they won votes, and because the SNP are keeping the monarchy we are no further forward in that respect than we were 200 years ago. However, on a day-to-day basis, they are doing fine. I'm disappointed, though, that they have no say over the really big issues, such as military and defence.

HUGH ANDREWS

PUBLISHER

Presentationally, and in terms of standing up for a distinct Scottish voice, they are streets ahead of the last administration. They have done a lot of very popular things, which is very good. But I think that the jury is still out on whether they can take the hard decision to deal with the problems we have.

JOHN BURNSIDE

POET AND NOVELIST

I'm not as impressed as I would have liked to have been, although they are doing better than that shower at Westminster.

JOE GRANT

GENERAL SECRETARY, SCOTTISH POLICE FEDERATION

It's fair to say that the first year of the SNP Government has had the police at or pretty close to the top of its agenda. If I were writing a report card it would say "great start, keep up the good work".

MARGO MacDONALD

MSP

That there should now be interest and approval amongst Scotland on Sunday readers, respondents to opinion surveys and the clients in my hairdressers' is testimony to Alex's political skills. Deftly doling out goodies like ending prescription charges and bridge tolls while Labour is all at sea, his ability to duck and dive for Scotland creates excitement.

RAYMOND O'HARE

DIRECTOR OF MICROSOFT SCOTLAND AND CHAIRMAN OF THE INSTITUTE OF DIRECTORS SCOTLAND

Overall I am heartened as this Scottish Government nears its first year in office. I look forward to continue working with the SNP-led administration to enable further access, in this knowledge economy, to technologies that bring with them economic and social opportunities and great potential to transform people's lives.

ROB WOODWARD

CEO OF SMG

There's no doubt that Scotland is feeling more confident, more dynamic and more purposeful since the SNP Government came to power last May.

CHARLIE TAYLOR

HAIRDRESSING ENTREPRENEUR

I would find it difficult to sum up the SNP's year as I can't really think of anything they have done that stands out in my mind. Scotland did not feel good under a Labour Government and in my opinion feels no different under the SNP.

TOMMY GILMOUR

BOXING PROMOTER

I don't think it has made much difference to many people. All the parties seem to spend most their time having a go at one another and no one in the SNP, Labour or anyone else seems to be putting their backs into getting the country moving.

PAT NEVIN

FORMER FOOTBALLER

It's a settling in period. When you have never been in government before you need to learn how to govern, then you have to implement it. They've made mistakes but it's too early to judge. I approve of any move helping students and making sure they don't have to pay tuition fees. Also, the cuts in prescription fees – I'm delighted with that, but who wouldn't be?

Scotland doesn't feel different now. It's far too early. You can't change a country in such a short space of time.

JOHN HALDANE

PROFESSOR OF PHILOSOPHY, ST ANDREWS UNIVERSITY

The SNP has effectively countered the images of it as ideological, narrow and anti-English; and it has also shown itself to be capable of forming a functioning minority administration. The latter achievement has swept away the 'it can't work' objection, and the SNP is now engaged in a fascinating attempt to re-envision Scottish identity. With Labour in Scotland seeming to have lost its sense of purpose, and in Westminster its ability to manage the business of government, we have moved further than could have been imagined a year ago towards general acceptance of the idea of Scottish independence. It's 'the vision thing'; and for now, at least, the vision lies with the SNP. Unless unionists can fashion an image of Britain appealing to the Scots' imagination they have no future. Discuss.

JAMES MacMILLAN

COMPOSER

Like many Scottish Catholics, I am not a natural SNP supporter, but I have to concede that their level of political efficiency and intelligence blows the other lot out of the water. Compared to the present Government, Scottish Labour looks sleazy, moronic and corrupt. I'm still not sure whether the SNP are friend or foe to the arts. One encounters an old-fashioned class warrior in certain sections of the party that seem hostile to serious music, for example. Maybe they think there are still votes in Philistinism, a classic Scots Labour error. Time will tell.

PETER LYNCH

PROFESSOR OF POLITICS, STIRLING UNIVERSITY

The key thing to remember about the SNP Government is that it is a minority Government. It could have fallen on a number of occasions already but has survived and, indeed, doesn't look like a minority Government at all. It has successfully co-operated with its opponents in the Parliament to produce a Budget and legislative programme and looks quite stable as a result. Besides the general performance of a Government though, the real issue is whether the SNP has been able to move the constitutional debate forward, and the answer appears to be yes as all other parties are now discussing increased powers for Scotland.

SHEILA McLEAN

PROFESSOR OF LAW AND ETHICS IN MEDICINE, GLASGOW UNIVERSITY

When reflecting on the last year, what I remember is the (even if only temporary) U-turn on student debt, the sleight of hand over the number of extra police on the streets, a great deal of excitement about calling themselves a government not an executive, the re-branding of Tartan Week and an extremely expensive campaign to replace the welcome slogan in airports. Not really a political tour de force, but of course I will have been selective – like everyone – in what I actually remember. Overall, however, my impression is one of confidence and, whether or not that is merited, it is refreshing to see.

FIONA MORIARTY

DIRECTOR, SCOTTISH RETAIL CONSORTIUM

Broadly, the Scottish Government's positive, fresh approach should be welcomed, but the new administration hasn't yet come up against too many difficult or controversial issues.

JOHN BYRNE

ARTIST

There is something in the air since they got in. Something has changed. Things feel more positive. Although I can't put a finger on anything in particular... there is just a better feeling in Scotland.

JANET PAISLEY

WRITER

I feel a lot more optimistic about things. I think that people are now a lot more positive about Scotland. It's good that there are no more tolls on the road bridges and they have frozen the council tax. I just hope that people will believe much more in Scotland. We have so much to offer the world. Maybe we shall finally get rid of the Scottish cringe.

BELINDA DICKSON

FASHION DESIGNER

I feel that they are more competent and focused on delivery and execution rather than just talking about things. I like that they're trying to simplify red tape and having a go at the quangos, although I'm not so sure of the way they are going about it. I don't agree, though, with having clashes with Westminster... they should be more focused on dealing with things in Scotland. I disagree with their local income tax plans, which will drive people away and eventually drive business away.

The full article contains 2679 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 19 April 2008 8:21 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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1

MtnKat,

20/04/2008 00:14:25
It seems that the only negatives come from the those who have a personal agenda that has yet to be fulfilled.
Oh yes, and the Labour contingent.

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Where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?
2

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 20/04/2008 00:19:57
#1 yes, but overwhelmingly in favour of the SNP Govt. This from the Scotsman too!
3

Conan the Librarian™,

20/04/2008 00:22:54
1
I haven't a scooby...
4

MtnKat,

20/04/2008 00:40:47
3 CtL
wendy doesn't have a muzzle. Perhaps we could petition the government on her behalf.....................
5

MtnKat,

20/04/2008 00:45:54
2 connaughtboy
Will wonders never cease! Eddie Barnes actually wrote a balanced article in this issue too. I'm afraid it lulled me into a false sense of optimism. His other contribution proved it was a one off.
6

Benedict Arnold,

Paris 20/04/2008 01:12:40
The disparaging comments of the former Labour Scottish Executive minister Sam Galbraith are perhaps the most interesting of all precisely because their content is the least interesting of all.

Mr Galbraith says exactly what one would expect him to say. The bitter dull unimaginative partisan predictability of visionless self-serving Scottish Labour politicians, both past and present, knows no bounds. They forget nothing, and they learn nothing.

Scotland has clearly had enough of that.
7

democrate,

Scotland 20/04/2008 01:22:08
How sad that Sam Galbraith feels obliged, with his background, to be partisan. He was blessed with the talent to give so much to his countrymen, ach, there's always hope of redemption.
8

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 20/04/2008 01:24:08
Actualy the most interesting comments were from those who were honest enought to admit that they weren't expecting much and yet have been pleasently surprised.
9

W Smith,

Middle East 20/04/2008 04:13:42
Salmond is a unionist - a European Unionist!

Maybe the Salmond the Dolt can explain what will he will do if the EU implements a "harmonious" corporation tax regime across the EU.

The story of the day is how this will affect Ireland especially towns like Leixlip outside Dublin.

Hewlett-Packard and Intel employ 6,000 people in Leixlip, population of 14,000!

If this so-called 'tax break' of only having to pay 12.5% corporation tax in Ireland is abolished then many Irish fear it will put an end to the economic boom and devastate towns like Leixlip.

This time Ireland's problem will not be laid at England's door.

What's the plan Mr Salmond?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/20/wirish120.xml
10

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20/04/2008 05:49:42
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Reason:
11

Watson,

Irvine 20/04/2008 06:36:29
Sam Galbraith...........a yesterday's man with no vision for the future. He still can't get over the May election results like so many of his fellow New Labour "friends" We now have a government that is looking out for Scotland's interests and not their own self interest.
12

Ghostman,

Highland 20/04/2008 07:07:28
Was AS the model for Shrek
13

donald,

glasgow 20/04/2008 07:44:50
Michael Marra. The only way to get rid of Labour's English Jelly Bean is to hold a referendum after Independence.

James MacMillan. Try the Labour Celtic Board for Loyalist, Royalist, British Nationalism and support for the "Forces of the Crown. Try Larkhall and Brigton to weigh in the Labour votes since the days of Republican Jimmy Maxton. Labour could not be any safer for reactionary, Loyalist Unionist, Anglo Capitalist Imperialism. Even their Unionist Brit left support groups have abandoned them, such as the SWP, etc, etc.
14

Steve,

Bo'ness 20/04/2008 08:15:20
Michael Marra, wake up and smell the coffee. If you want an independent republic, you have to get independence first, and then put the monarchy question to the people. What are you doing to further the cause of independence?
15

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 20/04/2008 08:22:49
Hear that the poll has not been published this week either.
This will be our first Sunday without the SoS and we will not be buying it again until the full results of the poll are published.
If more people feel strongly enough about this maybe we can influence the editor.
16

danielrober,

20/04/2008 08:25:06
This is just another THATCHERITE government, selling off and shutting down, another old community to artificaly create economic space. The professional engineers/scientists.

Just like Thatcher in the early 1980's the SNP has strong support from a professionaly isolated, but wealthly sector of the population.

Just like Thatcher in the early 1980's the SNP is ignoring how huge sections of the population earn their money. It's not just about pumping oil and drinking the tax its about work and 'government puchasing startegies'.

Thatcher ignored the industrial working poopulation of the UK losing millions of jobs between 1979 - 1985. GDP was adjusted -20% nationaly, locally for some it was -80%.

Yet some families and businesses survied and became very good at what they do. Now the SNP are doing the exact same as Thatcher by inviting our competition into our home areas and awarding vast project like the Bridge and the M74 poject.

Ruthless, shamefull and expensive. Welcome to the second Thatcherite revolution.

P.S why have no Enginees been asked?
17

Mikey,

20/04/2008 08:59:47
I see Thatcheer's Labour are still lying through their teeth as regards the National Party and Thatcher! Who was it that invited Thatcher to Downing Street and professed admiration for her policies?

These Labour liars, spivs, thieves and conmen like number 16 and the boring dolt Smithy have had their day. Scotland is marching onwards. If you don't like it, then you know what to do....
18

danielrober,

20/04/2008 09:05:37
# 17

That's right Mikey, march onwards, forwards into the guns. Forward for the SNP, glory boys and girls - GLORY.

After all your bullet proof.
19

Linda,

Edinburgh 20/04/2008 09:16:33
Labour's latest attempts to attack the Scottish Government's proposed alternatives to the Private Finance Initiative have backfired after it was revealed that Labour-led East Renfrewshire council has offered to pilot the Scottish Futures Trust (SFT) and said that SFT "raises the prospect of establishing a greater buying power" and would "be of assistance to bodies with limited expertise or who have experienced staff continuity difficulties on PPP style projects."

20

Rob7,

England 20/04/2008 09:31:01
The SNP are England last hope. All I want now is for the Referendum.
21

Union is Best,

20/04/2008 09:39:53
16. Well said. The SNP ending Labour's privatisation in our NHS, switching new prison buildng and running back into the public sector from the Labour private model, scrapping Labour's PFI in favour of public sector management of capital schemes, honouring in full the NHS and police pay rises that Labour knocked-back, opposing Iraq and Trident all show how they are they are right of Labour!
22

langtonian,

scotus 20/04/2008 09:43:45
Huff and Puff from within the SNP house will eventualy blow the house down,coupled to having built a political construction on foundations of sand,witness an SNP budget that alters as each day goes past.

Sam Galbraith/Tom Devine/Pat Nevin,have a good handle on minimizing the overblown SNP wish lists.

Referendum are strictly for the birds,these matters can only be decided at a full blown election.The most important task for all parties is to plus up their effort,s to increase the voter turn out at the appropriate time.

One referendum will lead to a rash of referendum ,and that would be no way to run a "steamie" never mind a country.

Independant Scot living in the UK.
23

puskas,

East kilbride 20/04/2008 09:48:10
No16, You couldny make it up. LOL

Then I thought, you just did.



24

Union is Best,

20/04/2008 09:49:24
22. Well said, and that Labour leader chap of Glasgow Council,Purcell, and the Commercial Services Union should be disciplined for breaking ranks and welcoming a debate on independence!

The headline of this article is totally biased! We unionists feel no reasons to be cheerful - indeed I would characterise our mood as one of creeping and malignant despair.
25

langtonian,

scotus 20/04/2008 09:59:09
Ah So!#9 makes interesting reading.

Alex Salmonds recent concordat with Bertie Ahern/Ian Paisley has already been blown out of the water as their recently announced resignations leaves AS clutching at straws and some lesser Irish politico from the Sein Fein party.
26

Richard M,

Scottish Raj 20/04/2008 10:03:39
Meanwhile, Broon, Darjeeling and the rest of Scottish Labour continue to b*gger up England
27

Saul Tyre,

Germany 20/04/2008 10:03:42
Was Sam Galbraith not the person who claimed the moon was made of blackcurrant jelly and Wendy Alexander was an intellectual giant?

I suppose the reporter only asked his opinion for a laugh.
28

Union is Best,

20/04/2008 10:13:19
16. Makes you wonder why Gordon Brown wanted a Tory First Minister though doesn't it? I think we Unionists should do a radical strategy volte face, and start dealing with realistic points!

"Brown, according to Sir Menzies Campbell's autobiography, tried to cobble together a third Labour/LibDem coalition deal. He also tried to block Alex Salmond's path to becoming first minister by suggesting Labour MSPs vote for either LibDem leader Nicol Stephen or Tory Annabel Goldie for the top job."

29

frank mcbride,

lusitania 20/04/2008 10:28:37
Instead of berating the naysayers, we should be thanking God for them.

They are keeping all of us, including the SG, on our toes. This is leading us to prove, beyond doubt, that Independence is the way forward. They are also a catalyst for the SG to move forward with progressive, socially aware policies.

Be thankful for the naysayers, as they help us to keep focussed on good governance.
30

European Scot,

20/04/2008 10:52:50
22 langtonian

"Referendum are strictly for the birds,these matters can only be decided at a full blown election"

An election is about voting along party political lines, and that covers the whole spectrum of individual party policies.
A referendum is voting for one specific thing, in this case for, or against Independence.
Another Unionist nervous of a referendum ?
An Independent Scot living in Europe
31

MtnKat,

20/04/2008 10:53:22
24 UiB
I am suprised that you are publicly admitting that unionists are malignant.
32

puskas,

East kilbride 20/04/2008 11:03:12
No 22, Is the way forward to back a Labour/LibDum Holyrood Government.

Holyrood is here to stay.

Therefore would you suggest a Unionist coalition?

I'm sure you will agree that all voters in Scotland wish the best government possible.

33

foulkes had my name removed'the t0sser',

20/04/2008 11:10:01
9#
W Smith
still in the middle east then?
maybe the taliban or some other nutter will send you on your way wi nae heid
ya t0sser!!
34

European Scot,

20/04/2008 11:15:04
31 MtnKat

Try vitamin supplements, Iron / E.
UIB, an Independent Scottish Nutrient.
Very effective in small, regular doses.
35

MtnKat,

20/04/2008 11:29:37
35 ES
Iron/E already part of my daily VOLUNTARY intake. Somehow I always end up gagging on the UIB. It's the malignancy ingredient, you see, which my system rejects. I know that's what makes it such a powerful Independent Scottish Nutrient, so I will try it with a spoonful of sugar.
36

MtnKat,

20/04/2008 11:30:31
or a pinch of salt
37

European Scot,

20/04/2008 11:35:22
36/37 MtnKat

Nothing like a bit of Sweet and Sour !
38

MtnKat,

20/04/2008 11:51:25
38 ES
You should forward that prescription to Liebour. They have the Sour, but haven't grasped the need for balance that Sweet gives.
39

European Scot,

20/04/2008 12:04:16
39 MtnKat

Quite right. They just haven't got the right touch, all too heavy handed.
Poor ingredients, no substance, and continually stirring.
The final offering is so unpalatable.
40

brownlie,

20/04/2008 12:42:11
In a previous existence as a union official with NUCPS I had occasion to have dealings with most Labour mps and I hope I'm not letting the unionist cause down by stating that Sam Galbraith was the most pathetic and ineffectual of a pretty poor bunch with the notable exception of John McAllion and Denis Canavan.

We were standing on a busy street in London with lorries, buses, cars belching out exhaust funds and he told me my smoking was contributing to global warming.
41

Mikmak,

edin 20/04/2008 13:09:57
Reasons to be cheerful? It would be nice for scotland to be able to define itself without always blaming someone else first. Jury is still out as I can't really see what big decisions have been taken. My main concern is that we don't have politicans (from any party) with the integrity and ability that we need.
42

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 20/04/2008 13:32:15
There are 2 obvious trends here. 1. The feeling of optimism flowing through Scotland since the SNP came to power.

And 2, the expressions of (pleasant) surprise that the roof hasn't fallen in since May.

The importance of the first cannot be emphasised too much. It will be a vital factor in determining how people vote in future elections.I mean, who wants to go back to a system of despair and despondency?

The feel good factor will be as important, if not more so than the individual policy successes of the SNP.
43

BIG EYE,

Paisley 20/04/2008 15:27:39
They asked Wendy and she gave the SNP 25/10!
44

Brian M,

Edinburgh 20/04/2008 16:06:40
and it's great to see the torn faces of new-born socialist red Wendy, fatty Foulker and the rest of their party
45

Phil C,

20/04/2008 17:17:26
Sam Galbraith LOL!!! This windbag of an apology for a politician was so bad at his job that he almost single-handedly destroyed our education system, with the approval of the Labour Party! He hung in there until he could crawl away with as few people noticing as possible. His comments make a fool of him and his discredited party.
46

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 17:21:55
The planets have been in line for the SNP-the opposition Labour Party in Scotland and the UK is in a terrible mess-I dont want to sound churlish in saying that Atilla the H*n would get positive ratings in the face of Labours foot in mouth (and a foot shot to shreds to boot) but I have to admit that I really like wee Alex Salmond and he and the SNP seem to be putting a fresh face on Holyrood-damnit! I'm forever a Unionist and just hope and pray that our cause can find a champion soon but in the interim one has to take ones hat off to the First minister. Also-nice photo!
47

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 17:25:59
I really appreciate the forum given by Scotland on sunday/the Scotsman to express a variety of opinions but they really need to do something about their absurd censorship programme-I have been prevented from posting twice over the last few days for using totally innoccuos words-H0mo as in H0mo sapiens and my last post-H*n as in Attila the H*n.
Really quite ridiculous!
48

langtonian,

scotus 20/04/2008 17:36:09
#30 euro scot

So where is the difficulty in incorporating policy of each and every party in their election manifesto?

By the time any referendum is set up it will be close to 2011 full blown election.
49

Phil C,

20/04/2008 17:58:29
Geoff

Yesterday I was asking someone not to be too hard-on your pal Meeja0 because he's so sensitive. This didn't get past the hootcensors, because of hard-on! It's not a vendetta against you!
50

Phil C,

20/04/2008 18:02:06
Further to #52...Mind you Geoff, some of the nonsense you post should be blocked because it comes from the insane mind of a unionist!!!
51

European Scot,

20/04/2008 18:22:56
50 langtonian

A referendum is a focussed direct question.
No ambiguity, no distractions, and less possibility of error.
A Yes or No.
An election with various parties and many candidates involved is not quite the same, too many distractions.
People vote in elections for their party or individual candidate of choice.
A question as important as this one shouldn't be part of something else.
It's an individual choice on the future of Scotland's Constitution.
Let's keep it direct and simple.
52

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 18:23:46
51 Meths-a never ending source of info! Ta. Some of my best friends are"H*ns" and "Hom*s S."!
52Phil C-thanks Phil-was starting to feel a little insecure..
53PhilC-a yes Phil,but an exquisite insanity!
53

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 18:25:12
Meths,Phil-I give up-try copying my post without the stars-censor blocked me agin! Starting to feel insecure once more..
54

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 18:28:52
54 Euro scot-agree to apoint that simplicity is best but a straight Yes/No eliminates certain valuable nuances. I think the three choice referendum would be better-Status Quo,Full Independence,A Federation-Scottish(and otherUK) Parliaments with increased and equal powers. Personally I think the last option would win hands down.
55

Union is Best,

20/04/2008 18:31:39
60. Good grief Geoff man. We Unionists do not want the Union weakened by your Federal Express nonsense.

56

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 18:31:41
Jokes aside, what am I doing wrong?
57

Phil C,

20/04/2008 18:32:23
ho.mo h.omo hom.o poop pooh poop!!!!
58

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 18:32:47
This is a rehash of a previous article in the Scotsman last week.

Let me see if the words the  homos and the  hún get through.

Guess the last bit didn't. As a Saintee, I was going to congratulate Jimmy the Hún for watching the game without having to resort to toilet paper.
59

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 18:34:40
62 Union is Best-ah yes the UIB enigma methinks(thinks he knowingly) a third columnist...?
60

Union is Best,

20/04/2008 18:35:05
64. Well said!

We could use someone with your prose style and succinct, pithy summarising to cover on the Unionist desk here for Alfred E Neuman/ Ciderman54200 while we look into having his second frontal lobotomy reversed.
61

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 18:35:24
Testing hundred and hundread
62

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 18:36:27
Hunger
63

Phil C,

20/04/2008 18:37:53
Meths-a never ending source of info! Ta. Some of my best friends are buns and homos!
64

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 18:38:18
Wrong thread, I know, but don't the HunGers look a wee bit ragged these days?
65

Phil C,

20/04/2008 18:40:25
Buns was the problem for me Geoff! I hate those current buns, nearly all unionists!! Current with an a didn't go through.
66

Phil C,

20/04/2008 18:41:02
How DO you do it it Meths?
67

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 18:43:25
Meths, the ****** after the McM on that last post was to cover up his real name. By the way, he is a tim.
68

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 18:44:46
Why can you write tim and not hün?
69

Phil C,

20/04/2008 18:45:37
Jock, you appear a tad bigoted!
70

Phil C,

20/04/2008 18:47:40
!!
71

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 18:53:48
PhilC@80. I grew up in Perth. Bigotry is only something I encountered when I moved to Stenhousemuir.

Jimmy the Hün is a friend of mine who occasionally wears a sash for walkabouts. I laugh. The Derek referred to by Meths is a tim, who is also a friend of mine.

Jimmy and Derek are also friends.

I go direct to my god and have no time for denominational squabbling.

Hope that clears up a few things for you
72

European Scot,

20/04/2008 18:57:53
60 Geoff

A third question is a possibility, although status quo is a waste of time, very few want things to stay as they are.
As for a Federation, well that's just more of the same, because Scotland would still be represented by the UK at the UN and in Europe.
No voice, no vote, no international recognition as a Nation.
A Federation of countries ( UK ) within a ' federation' of countries ( Europe )
What's the point ?
Scotland dealing directly in Europe and at the UN, a far better solution.
Independence Yes or No.
Yes speaks for itself.
No is again just more of the same, but does allow for additional powers.
Independence is the only way to ensure meaningful change.
73

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 19:00:24
On the feelgood factor, I have invested money in something, with which I am having to be very patient at the moment.
74

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 19:01:44
Col Blimp 1V-what happened to the other three by the way? Actually Atilla the *** was a bad example. On the same page as most of yous today but I'm sure you will admit that the SNP's task would have been/would be more difficult if the opposition was of a better calibre.
75

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 19:07:00
Meths, did you put the dot between the derek and the mcm*****?
76

Rodrigo,

Ashfield 20/04/2008 19:07:05
Yes, Independence, The Holy Grail of the North. You all talk as if you all know what you mean, but no one has yet explained to the non-partisan what you have in mind to be independent of? Just What are your Pariahs? Hate the Labour Party - why not? THEY set up Devolution! Alex the Ingrate doesn't smell of roses, either! In public office he has spent and spent to buy his fringe party into mainstream Scottish Favour. An abuse of public office? Then there is a matter of colonisation and xenophobia - a fake issue if you talk of any particular ethnic non-scots group colonising Scotland - but Not of Scots colonising territories of the British Commonwealth, in particular, Canada, and Specifically the Loyalist Scottish colony of the 6 counties of Ireland. suddenly Inter-dependence is a much more Viable Outcome for Alex Salmond's cronies to countenance, But then for our Hitler, Reichskanzler was but a stepping-stone to the glorious resurgence of a Nation!!! So, spell it out, what is having Scottish Independence Really Saying?
77

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

20/04/2008 19:08:45
#85 European Scot

I agree with you. The only way forward for Scotland is full independence. Anything short of that is not acceptable. My Mahogany perch was made in Denmark, a country with a similar population to Scotland and they are doing rather well.

I may hold a Danish tea party at my Lochaber Letterfinlay estate in June.
78

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

20/04/2008 19:10:49
#91

Sorry but your post i all blurred and has no spaces between each sentence. I feel that i may have to pan your illogical and bile drivel post.
79

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

20/04/2008 19:11:42
Jock is a fake btw.
80

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 19:12:16
Spook@88. No. I cannot because I have never been in it.

The railway bridge does cross over Princess Street though and there was once a stop there.

81

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 19:13:52
94, Bird of Prey, in what way am I a fake?
82

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 19:15:55
The Century approacheth...
83

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 19:16:57
Here's to a hundred more years of Union!
84

Conan the Librarian™,

20/04/2008 19:17:25
No way Geoff!
85

Conan the Librarian™,

20/04/2008 19:17:46
It's Mine.
86

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/04/2008 19:18:13
98, Geoff, aye right.
87

Conan the Librarian™,

20/04/2008 19:18:42
Large raspberry in the direction of SA;-)
88

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

20/04/2008 19:19:16
#96 Jock

Because you can not answer Spooks question so that means that you are a Scotsman plant. Ooops its sunday. Well okay jock you are a SOS plant. Admit it.
89

Union is Best,

20/04/2008 19:19:24
94. Agreed.
90

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 19:19:28
Here's to a H*N-dred more years of Union
91

Union is Best,

20/04/2008 19:20:29
91. Good effort! I think when you have mastered English you will be a powerful assett for us Unionists!
92

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

20/04/2008 19:21:09
#98 Geoff,sa 20/04/2008 19:16:57
Here's to a hundred more years of Union!

Well on that performance your union is fcuked.

Conan the Librarian™,20/04/2008 19:17:46
It's Mine.
Well done book worm
93

Conan the Librarian™,

20/04/2008 19:21:24
105
Only if the next vote is GERrymandered.
94

Geoff,

sa 20/04/2008 19:22:28
Thanks for the raspberry conan old chap-eating it with fresh cream.Congrats on the 100-lucky b*gger
95

danielrober,

20/04/2008 19:22:51
The heir to Thatcher - Alex.S.

The SNP are following a narrow national political agenda, designed to reorganise a small fraction of the economy. The sucess of this small sector activity will be exagerated by collapsing another area. In the case of current SNP activties it would seem to be Engineering sector.

The conservatives are saying they have learnt from their mistakes. Okay we all make mistakes. I just hope the SNP don't kill off too much of the economy before they give up this approach.

Thing is SNP people, we in the Engineering sector have been exposed to the form of competitor actions for over a century. Try harder.
96

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

20/04/2008 19:23:46
#104 Union is Best

Thanks for agreeing with me. Joke has been caught with his little baggy dungarees down and he is a plant.
97

Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

20/04/2008 19:25:27
#110 danielrober,20/04/2008 19:22:51

Yawn, you smell of unionism and that smells like one of Thatchers tampons in a hot and sweaty day. poo.