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Published Date: 01 July 2007
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Contrary to the report 'Bury your own nuclear waste, Executive told', we wish to make it clear that it is the UK's Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) which is currently consulting on the long-term management of radioactive waste, not the Committee on Radioactive Waste Management (CoRWM), which submitted its final recommendations to Defra and the devolved administrations almost a year ago. The current consultation being conducted by Defra - with which the Scottish Executive has refused to co-operate - is to seek opinions on how decisions on the siting of radioactive waste repositories should be taken, in line with CoRWM's recommendations. The consultation is not concerned with nuclear new build and CoRWM's final recommendations explicitly state that the committee takes no position on the desirability or otherwise of nuclear new build, believing that such decisions should be subject to their own assessment process to consider the social, political and ethical issues of deliberately creating new nuclear wastes.

SCOTLAND has been warned that it will have to dispose of its own nuclear waste after pulling out of UK-wide talks on dealing with the highly radioactive material.

Local authorities at the Sellafield nuclear-processing plant in Cumbria say they may refuse permission for shipments and storage of spent fuel rods from north of the Border.

They have accused Scottish ministers of being "parochial" and "entrenched" after the Executive said it would no longer work with a UK government committee which is examining how to store nuclear waste in the long term.

The nuclear waste is a mixture of radioactive metals, which together have a half-life of about 1,000 years - the time taken for the radioactivity to fall by 50%. After that period, although the substances are still radioactive, they are much less toxic. However, the waste needs to be stored and monitored for centuries afterwards.

The Scottish Executive last week pulled out of the Committee on Radioactive Waste Management (CoRWM) talks, which are focusing on burying waste deep underground in shafts. The outline plans include a deep store somewhere in Scotland. This could be available for waste of particular grades from both sides of the Border.

But the SNP Executive is opposed to new nuclear power north of the Border and insiders believe the CoRWM talks are aimed at justifying the case for building more nuclear plants in addition to dealing with waste.

Scotland's two operational nuclear power plants send hundreds of tonnes of spent fuel rods south of the Border to Sellafield each year. There they are reprocessed to be used in other parts of the nuclear industry and each rod produces a pellet of waste about an inch long which is encased in glass.

Currently , the waste from the fuel rods is being held at Sellafield pending a longer-term solution to the question of where to put it. One of the options for long-term storage of such waste is to keep it at Sellafield in a deep shaft.

But council leaders in the area have warned they may veto plans for waste from Scottish rods to be stored in the area.

Although they have no formal powers to block future plans by a UK government to allow waste to be stored in the area, they must be consulted by law.

Ministers have made it clear they would not force a repository to be built in an area where the local authority was opposed to it, and they have also accepted the right of councils to limit the amount of waste they receive and where it comes from.

Timothy Heslop, the executive member on Cumbria County Council for economic regeneration and nuclear issues, said: "If the Scots are taking the view that they are, then let them accept that their waste is not coming across the Border." He added that Cumbria will debate its position after the summer break, but that there was a cross-party consensus among both the Tory-Lib Dem coalition on the council and the Labour opposition that the Scottish waste should not be allowed to remain long term.

Tim Knowles, the Labour nuclear spokesman at Cumbria, said: "Given that Scotland has taken against nuclear across the board, I'm quite happy for Scotland to look after their own nuclear waste. The CoRWM was actually a very good consultation. If the Scottish position wasn't so entrenched then there would be room for some movement."

An insider added: "It would work like this: the minister will get up and announce where the repository is to be built, and a local MP - primed by both the council and the minister - will ask whether Scottish waste will be stored at the repository. Minister replies, no, that the Scots have decided to go their own way and do their own thing and they can store their own waste."

The Executive said it was justified in pulling out of the talks and would remain in contact with the rest of the UK on the issue of nuclear waste even if it no longer had a role in CoRWM.

A spokesman said: "The Scottish government will of course continue to work closely with the UK government and other devolved administrations on radioactive waste policy, but we believe that a geological repository in Scotland is not the right way forward."

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  • Last Updated: 07 July 2007 7:28 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Nuclear energy
 
1

I'm no really here,

01/07/2007 00:21:02

OK. I say we bury it under Westminster. Show of hands please.

2

Stephen101,

Easy peasy 01/07/2007 00:32:41

Scotland can pay for its waste to be dumped elsewhere. Far away. Zimbabwe has some good locations. Assuming Scotland owns it of course! Before anyone writes an article with such bluster, could they not first of all establish ownership of any waste?

But lucky old England has loads of disused salt mines in Manchester which are perfect for the job. If they don't want to use those old salt mines maybe the Scottish Exec could buy one up, and just get on with it!

3

walter,

01/07/2007 00:40:39

These Cumbrians just do not know their place, the SNP have spoken end off.

4

scotsdoc,

nanaimo bc canada 01/07/2007 02:06:50

In Canada we have the same problem..The Govt of Canada, and the Province of Ontario in particular are pushing atomic power as the only real answer to Green House Gas reduction.
The Federal(Central) Govt is touting 'adaptive phased management' as the way to deal with nuclear waste. In essence it is burying the stuff in a deep hard rock mine! We are being told, with soothing noises from the Minister of Energy, that everything is perfectly safe and the waste WILL(curiously in Canada everything is 'Jam tomorrow,never Jam today') present no danger what so ever!!

I can't understand why, if that is the case, they don't just plant the stuff under our Parliament Buildings in Ottawa.

5

Colin P,

01/07/2007 03:55:42

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do the nuclear stations not belong to the nuclear power authority?
If so, the waste belongs to them also.
Does Scotland not export much of it's electricity? And would Cumbria not be a customer?
Seems to me these politicians are overstepping their authority on this.
They're making decisions based on future actions.
As long as the plants belong to the nuclear power authority, the waste goes where the contract says.

6

williamx,

Delta, Canada 01/07/2007 03:56:54

Scotland pulled out of the joint commission since the plans evidently involved the waste for the entire UK being buried in Scotland. If Scotland succeeds in producing enough electric power without using Nucs then they will have no waste to bury. Perhaps tidal power at the Pentland Firth and other places will provide sufficient power to augment hydro and provide plenty of power. If that is the case then they had better get it up and running as soon as possible so that they do not have to import oil and gas from outside. The Scottish Gov should have major ownership of the tidal power consortium so that the profits accrue to the Scottish treasury. As for wind power, this is a non starter since you need standby generation plants for when the wind does not blow ( about 70% of the time) and the capital costs would be immense leading to expensive power costs and a decline in the standard of living. Of course this assumes that the Scots vote for independence.

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williamx,

Delta, Canada 01/07/2007 04:02:40

Perhaps the Scots should start having small quantities of waste processed in other countries as a run up to no processing at Sellafield. I am sure the Chinese and the Canadians would process the waste at a reduction of cost. Generally thing in the UK have been at least twice the cost of the same things in Canada. I am sure nuclear processing and storage would be similar.

9

Guga II,

Rockall 01/07/2007 04:55:01

#1 I agree. They have got empty cellars under their parliament, and there's also Bliar's dome. If their nuclear waste is so safe, then there should be be no problem burying it at either of those locations.

10

Concerned local,

Edinburgh 01/07/2007 06:23:13

Perhaps the Cumbrians will also ban the flow of nuclear traffic INTO Scotland. i.e. nuclear weapons travelling to the Clyde, or is it just a one-way ban?

11

howyoudoingboy,,

waiting at westminster-where are you 01/07/2007 06:58:22

#1#9

certainly all you have to do is take it to Westminster there may be some tough characters waiting to stop you but what the heck. you are nationalists sore Albert or whatever
you sneaking about burying things just about sums you lot up

Independence means taking responsibility obviously some are not ready perhaps they are afraid Oooh!

#9gugga II

Madainn mhath A bheil Gàidhlig agat/agaibh?
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12

spiderman,

argyll 01/07/2007 07:06:08

This is poor ant-SNP sensationalist journalism. The waste belongs to the UK nuclear industry not to the Scottish people. All the Executive is saying is that it isn't interested in disposing of nuclear waste in Scotland.

13

Derick fae Yell,

Glowing gently 01/07/2007 07:15:05

Seems fair enough. Waste produced in Scotland should be dealt with in Scotland. No problem with that, provided we don't have to take any more

14

Boy Wonder,

01/07/2007 07:47:28

Fine. We can bury our own waste on an unpopulated island. But we're not having anybody else's nuclear waste. Period!

15

donald,

weegieland 01/07/2007 08:15:16

What about the Nuclear dumps we had to accept under British rule? Return to Sender.

16

Perkins,

Aberdeen 01/07/2007 08:33:10

The power station produces power.

Who uses the power.

Whoever uses the power gets the waste.

Simple !!.

I wonder if the statistics that show nuclear power is cheap factor in 1000 years of monitoring the waste ??.

17

Boedica,

01/07/2007 08:33:18

No, #2, salt mines are no good. It has been tried already. The cavities give in gradually, unlike hard rock mines. The ground closes in on the containers, crushes them and the ground water gets to the waste. The worst thing being that you cannot reach the containers anymore, because the cavities do not last. Then you are stuck with a ground water problem for the next 1000 years.

18

Stephen101,

Salt Mines 01/07/2007 08:57:41

umm Boeddie. Don't know many salt mines with ground water problems......stops them being salt mines..

Are you talking generally or about the ones round Manchester in particular?

The testing on the Manchester ones showed technically they were A1 ok. The ONLY reason they would not proceed with using them was political. 'Political' means the locals would be against it, and it would lose them votes.

And on waste from Scotland. If we look at Dounreay, we have the nice sphere thing we see on all the photographs. But drive past there and take a first right (unmarked) go towards the sea and when you get over the brow of the hill you get a security gate to the refuelling plant for nuclear subs, which backs onto the 'electricity generating station'. Any waste from there is owned by whom? MOD? People of Scotland? I think we should be told.

If BNFL (or whatever they are called these days) enter into a commercial contract to supply the MOD or whoever, then it is a problem owned by BNFL.

So of course they want to bluster and move it onto someone else, but this will not be decided by some tuppence hapeny councillor from the North of England.

19

Brisbane Scot,

01/07/2007 09:00:38

Now lets get some facts right Scotland got Nuclear Power Stations without consultation with the people. It was done by a Westminster Government that was dominated by English MP's, and Scottish Mp's had to accept anything they were told to in those days. Oh sorry they also had to when Weee Jokeeee got a phone call from down south. You all remember when Weee Jokeee ran aboot shouting "I got a Phone call from my Masters" "OH lucky me, they spoke to me and I am getting a Lordship". The material belongs to them, but we can take ours if it means getting rid of the neighbours. Just remember Cumbrians you wont be invited to join Scotland and you are still going to loose Berwick Upon Tweed because its Scottish. Jeez thats a bit of a wet sock for you lot eh.

20

Stephen101,

Half life 01/07/2007 09:02:26

I wish people wouldn't talk about the half life of radioactivity as meaning it is safe after that period. It ain't.

Half life is merely a standard method of measurement. And it is not a straight line decay. Half life 1000, monitor for millions.......which 'centuries' does cover, only it is a hell of a lot of centuries.

21

mr angry,

ayrshire 01/07/2007 09:29:44

#13 are you too thick to realise that the nuclear waste belongs to the nuclear power authority NOT Scotland.

22

CEBR,

01/07/2007 09:32:45

#21

So it's not "Scotland's Electric" that get's exported?

23

wattie>x 1,

01/07/2007 09:42:58

The question of nuclear waste disposal is a real hot potato where I reside down south.
There are obselete nuclear sub's lying up in creeks here and when some debate or other crops up now and again about nuclear waste; readers letters to the local press begin appearing as to what should be done with it, and where it should be removed too.
One wouldn't need to be a brain surgeon to hazard a guess where most off the general public suggest where it should be stored. Bonnie Scotland!
The naval dockyard DML; now under the control of
the USA has also suggested; this is where it should be stored. I have even seen letters suggesting building prisons on some off the Islands back home to accomodate the rising amount off criminals that has occurred since Blair and Brown's New Labour Party descended upon us in 1997.
Brown who now classifies himself as a Britisher and seems to be ashamed of his Scottish nationality will have real problems on his hands with both issues quite soon.
It will be interesting too see how he responds when
appearing as forefront issues!

24

AKH,

Eskbank 01/07/2007 09:53:31

The answer to nuclear waste could be a simple one.
Load all the waste into a secure space module and fire it directly at the sun.
The sun is a nuclear ball anyway and when the waste eventually gets near it will just burn up.
Sounds like a good idea - anyone see any problems as to why this idea will not work?

25

howyoudoingboy,,

01/07/2007 09:58:04

#19Brisbane Scot /


"and you are still going to loose Berwick Upon Tweed because its Scottish. Jeez thats a bit of a wet sock for you lot eh"

"the Sudentanland" lesson from history

Brisbane scot a mega class kn#b and inveterate waffler

26

Keke,

Aberdeenshire 01/07/2007 10:19:04

This smacks of grown ups behaving like children, on both sides. Nuclear waste and the looming energy gap are real problems that are not going to be solved by people walking out of talks, and petty point scoring with phrases like 'bury your own waste then'
Next they'll be saying 'your not playing with us 'cos it's our ball and we're taking it in'.
Radiation doesn't give a damn about a line on a map, so sort it out.

27

BK,

Cyberspace 01/07/2007 10:31:22

So Scotland produced fuel at Dounreay for England's WMDs which most Scots did not want, has Torness foisted onto it to provide power for export to England (while keeping the danger up here) so the waste produced for these colonial schemes foisted on us against our will suddenly becomes Scottish!
When will the people realise that Nuclear Power will kill the planet? There is NO possible e solution to nuclear waste. The only purpose of Nuclear Power is to supply bomb material to evil and maniacal politicians, the scum of all humanity.

28

howyoudoingboy,,

dr strangelove's secret facility 01/07/2007 10:44:25

#27 BK, Cyberspace /

does your definition of nuclear energy encompass nuclear fusion and if so WHY?

29

Boedica,

01/07/2007 10:52:38

#18, Stephen, the ground water problem arises when salt mines are no longer used and consequently water is no longer pumped.
I was referring to mines that are already used to store nuclear waste.

30

David MacVicar,

web. 01/07/2007 11:15:12

20. Stephen101. Agree totally, after a half life of 1000 years exposure to the stuff that will kill you in 5 minutes today, will likely kill you in 10 minutes instead, wow really safe.

The UK sites for burial have already been made public and 5 of them are in Scotland, 2 around Barra, Dounreay and the Irish seas for example.

I also agree that waste from civil and military uses need to be delt with seperatly, something I am sure our executive is well aware of. There are currently over 2.5 million barrels of waste to be buried, of which Scotalnd has a few hundred thousand, this quantity is our waste, our problem and our responsibility to come up with a way to bury it, whether deep or shallow. It is our waste as Nuclear is base load and like it or not is has been consuled in Scotland.

However the vast majority of the rest of the millions of barrels are not our problem. When you look at the sites Scotland was clearly targeted for a large proportion of the waste and given that two sites next to Barra had been identified I am sure they were high on the list.

Just take Gruinard Island (Anthrax Island) located in Gruinard Bay, halfway between Gairloch and Ullapool. We have already been the target for weapon dumps and chemical dumps now a Nuclear dump.

The status is simple: No anglo Nuclear DUMPING in Scotland deal with your own waste.

31

Perkins,

Aberdeen 01/07/2007 11:18:00

#24.

The cost shuttling tons of waste to an orbiting nuclear reception point then packaging it into another booster rocket for transportation to the sun ..... hmmm let me take a stab at the cost ..

Say 20 billion pounds per tonne ???.

Having a nuclear storage unit orbiting around earth would not be a happy state of affairs especially if it's orbit began to decay (it's happened before).

Factor the cost of doing all this into the price for nuclear electricity.
The sums just don't add up.

I think we should only look at nuclear technology as a research project. We don't have the brain or the vision to fully understand what we are doing with the stuff.
Maybe in another thousand years we may just be able to harness this resource and have some sort of a clue what to do with the by-product.

Mind you the way things are going at the moment with the religious fanatics trying to bomb the sh*t out of the UK, I wonder if we will be around a thousand years from now ??.
Religion ...... what a f*cking cancer that drivel is to the planet.

32

GD,

Glasgow 01/07/2007 11:18:51

Damn! See we've lost out again. If we had attended the meeting we might have been able to bury our waste down south!!!
I don't think!

33

Colin, Glasgow,

01/07/2007 11:26:43

#26 Keke, spot on, I couldn't agree more. The Executive are behaving like schoolkids on this issue, and now the Cumbrian local authorities have joined in.

The waste should be disposed of in the best, safest location using the best, safest solution. It is well established that the best technical solution is deep geological disposal. If the site is geologically suitable it is perfectly safe for all time. We should be looking at a geological map, not a political map, to find the best location.

34

morris,

Edinburgh 01/07/2007 11:41:53

We were always bookmarked for burying everybody elses anyway! So much for the principle of safest locations first!

I believe that one of the safest locations is the river bed in the Thames estuary !

No way will that even be debated never mind seriously considered.

Theres only one guaranteed way to dispose of nuclear waste and thats Dont produce any! Its already well past that saftey line, so now we should opt for the second best which is WE DONT NEED the electricity(Scotland ie) so why should we generate nuclear and take the waste which is the real problem.
WE can meet more than our needs from renewables and storage.
The reactors are possibly relatively safe in their design,but the storage of waste safely for thousands of years, and remember it accumulates with time, is impossible .
Any seismic activity renders all nuclear deposits a time bomb!

ONLY A FOOL STICKS HIS HEAD IN MADAME GUILLOTINE TO SEE IF ITS SHARP ENOUGH!

35

Rob me blind,

01/07/2007 11:51:30

Just another brick in the wall

36

Sixupman,

Bridgwater 01/07/2007 11:54:42

CoRWM was a waste of money, duplicating work done by NIREX [at inordinate cost] and made up of nonentities.

37

Cairn,

cooking 01/07/2007 12:03:07

35# Colin, "We should be looking at a geological map, not a political map, to find the best location."

Yes we should but unfortuantely the powers that be do not operate that way. If it did we would would all have jam for tea. In light of this we should pursue what is best for Scotland.

I believe that to be the end of Nuclear Powerstations, MoD nuclear bases and nuclear war head storage bunkers like those in the Loch Lomond area.

38

Colin, Glasgow,

01/07/2007 12:31:24

#39 Cairn, we should ask ourselves why there is such a political issue over the location of the waste repository, which might override the best geological case. I would suggest that the anti-nuclear lobby bear at least some of the blame for this. If they did not spread fear & doubt about the safety of nuclear operations there would be much less of a political issue to deal with. Looking at the hard facts (rather than the unquantified suggestion & innuendo of the anti-nuclear lobby) it is clear that a deep geological disposal repository would be much safer than most people would think. A maximum individual risk of 1 in a million per year is, by any reasonable comparison, safe.

http://www.corwm.org.uk/pdf/1529%20-%20Long-term%20safety...

Likewise with nuclear power stations. The global effects of not developing more nuclear power over the last few decades have directly led to our over-dependence of fossil fuels and consequent millions of deaths from fossil fuel pollution (while nuclear is virtually harmless by comparison). It is curious that Scotland is so tolerant of its oil industry, which is genuinely dirty and dangerous compared to nuclear power. IMO we in Scotland are lucky to get so much of our electricity from nuclear power.

39

Tapacooma,

Edinburgh 01/07/2007 13:09:45

19&21,

You are too young to remember Mrs Winnie Ewing praising Scotland as becoming the leading Nuclear power in the world ( just as it is now claimed that we will be the leading renewables power). The Scots wanted Hunterston and Chapelcross back in the 50s. Scotland will have to find a way fo dealing with its own waste.

40

barbour,

perthshire 01/07/2007 13:16:16

There seems to be an awakening in at least some of Scottish minds that these islands need one another whether we like it or not.We can't keep insulting everybody and not get some reaction from them.We can't base our economy on one diminishing resource,oil.The nuclear waste processing issue is a case in point we can't process the waste ourselves as we can't say that any power generated belongs to Scotland but the waste generated belongs to some one else,
If the Scottish populace in general desired a referendum on Independance then the calls for it seem extremely muted.
Think with the head not the heart.

41

inoui,

Fife 01/07/2007 13:33:14

No want the waste, no want the electricity. Ofcourse Scotland has the means to dump waste! Why do you think they are so upset about Scottish withdrawl? Do we want every deep mine, of which Fife has plenty, glowing in the dark with Cumbrian waste for the next million years? We can always sell the surplus electricity not wanted south of the border to pay for some other poorly run goverment to glow in the dark.

42

howyoudoingboy,,

01/07/2007 13:36:04

#31 David MacVicar, web

tell me dave what do imagine i have said today lets us know
what was it the "executive were racist terrorists" only i couldnt find were that was actually said never mind you will imagine i said it again later.

its your eye sight dave you want to stop closing your left eye so fast its whats known as furious winking can distort the vision and in your case the mind

bye dave catch you later
sore albert

43

Discretionpvs,

Ontario 01/07/2007 13:48:53

#4 scotsdoc-----You suggest burying all the radioactive waste under the Parliament buildings. Great idea, but for one thing. Quebec and the Quebec-lovers would be screaming bloody murder because it is too close to them, and then interpret the whole thing as an anti-French or anti-Quebecois move. I suggest just rolling all the barrels over to the US. They seem to have lots of places to store crap, like the White House.

44

Discretionpvs,

Ontario 01/07/2007 13:53:22

#4 and 8. Do you people stay up all night.? I'm barely mobile and you're three hours behind me. Anyway, Happy Canada Day to both of you. Do either of you recall when it used to be Dominion Day?

45

David MacVicar,

web. 01/07/2007 14:10:40

45. howyoudoingboy, Still logging onto the Scotsman to fling insults at the local population I see.

Just to remind you, yesterday you stated no SNP supported would condemn a terrorist attack because it took place in London:
"come on you SNP malcontents let us know what your real opinion on those attempted bombings in London on Friday be honest you might find it difficult"

Today: you compared the first minister to a Nazi leader
"You should have only one leader for Scotland Mr Alec salmond and give him the salutation the f----- or in English the leader".

As I said yesterday: "How do you characterise people who spend time going onto forums in another country and deriding sections of the population in that country and their political opinions?"

Basically you use the Scotsman to troll around and vent your warped viewpoints to try to incite and justify your openly bigoted world view.

46

Billy_w,

01/07/2007 14:50:22

#41 "It is curious that Scotland is so tolerant of its oil industry, which is genuinely dirty and dangerous compared to nuclear power. IMO we in Scotland are lucky to get so much of our electricity from nuclear power."

Good point. Whats more likely, an oil tanker spilling its cargo of the Scottish coast, car pollution damaging the environment, or nuclear waste in a deep deep mine in the middle of nowhere doing anything other than quietly decaying away?

47

Guga II,

Rockall 01/07/2007 15:12:50

#11 Feasgar math sasunnach.

48

howyoudoingboy,,

01/07/2007 15:23:51

#49 David MacVicar, web

well dave thats around about of saying i did not say what you said so you lied what else do you lie about dave.

another country really well thats news to me i think you best reflect on what being in the EU means old son if you believe that tosh

as for characterisation how about someone who is sick to death of nationalists claiming the support they havent got.

and i just give a opposing view whats wrong with that there is more than one political party in scotland

still back to your xenophobia

whats that song

THIS LAND IS MY LAND oh yes

MY LAND dave sorry and all that

49

LOWLANDER,

SCOTLAND 01/07/2007 15:38:23

Some people do talk a lot of dribble,get your act together you lot and GROW UP.

50

Stephen101,

Why do we have nuclear stations in Scotland 01/07/2007 16:07:19

If you remember when the power station at Torness was awaiting final approval, the aluminium smelter plant at Invergordon (I think it was) closed down suddenly. It used 12% of the electricity generated in Scotland. Removed at one fell swoop. the case for Torness also disappeared, but it went ahead.

So these plants were NOT placed here to service Scottish customers.

And as for dumping waste up Dounreay way, the rock there is totally unsuitable. They have been putting out tenders for 25 years (secretly) to stop the seepage. Or should I call it dribble to satisfy Lowlander (#53)

51

Rami,

New Hampshire 01/07/2007 16:21:03

I have two suggestions: 1.) Make watch batterys.
2.) A new type of fertilizer.

52

Charles MN,

01/07/2007 16:34:19

#55 Stephen101

Not true. Torness started construction in 1980 and Invergordon shut two years later.

From http://www.nahste.ac.uk/cgi-bin/view_isad.pl?id=GB-0248-U...

"In 1968 the company divested its interests in Canada and decided to build a large smelter at Invergordon, Highland, a decision based on the promise of low-cost electricity from nuclear power. Invergordon commenced production in 1971. In 1978 Reynolds sold its stake in British Aluminium Co Ltd and TIAluminium increased its holding to 58% with 42% being floated. In 1982 the Canadian-owned Alcan Aluminium UK Ltd acquired British Aluminium Co Ltd, the resultant new company being called British Alcan Ltd. The same year saw the closure of Invergordon."

53

tom, HR6,

Herefordshire (ex-Fife and Glasgow and Houston) 01/07/2007 18:33:55

I like all the comments about a half-life of a thousand years etc etc. If you sit back and think carefully the human race will probably be extinct in less than 100 years what with over-population, global-warming and evil muslim terrorist scum running all over the place

54

Skatedad,

01/07/2007 18:40:08

#32. Perkins, Aberdeen.

Religion ...... what a f*cking cancer that drivel is to the planet.

Totally agree!!

55

Colin, Glasgow,

01/07/2007 19:31:55

#50 Billy, let's consider just air pollution from fossil fuel. The contrast is so stark it is almost unbelievable: The Committee on the Medical Effects of Air Pollutants estimated that there are well over 10,000 deaths per year in the UK from PM10 and SO2 pollutants resulting from the combustion of fossil fuel. If our use of fossil fuel continued at this level (it cannot, because it will run out, but if it did…) during the million year lifespan of the repository around 10 billion UK residents would be killed by fossil fuel pollution. Over the same period, according to the best risk estimates available, less than one life would be lost to the radiation from the repository.

56

JohnM,

01/07/2007 19:34:59

#9 Hey Guga, how about burying on Rockall, it'll keep you warm at night

57

LOWLANDER,

SCOTLAND 01/07/2007 19:36:08

You must grown up *(55).

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cataibh,

Ach yur seen it 01/07/2007 19:55:55

Each time the Hootsman is looking to build its plot against the SNP, there is the -- A spokesman said--
never names why? Once I see -A spokesman said- in an article I shut off and think this is not true.

59

Smokey0541,

Lakewood, Colorado U.S.A. 01/07/2007 20:19:13

# 5 Colin P
That pretty much say's it all Bud.
I can't help but giggle a bit though. What a childish reaction from Mama Britt

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Angus Ogg,

01/07/2007 20:22:15

A bit rich?

Scotland has given its oil taxes and associated revenues to the UK Treasury for decades, yet the Westminster government come up with this shoot-themselves-in-the-foot garbage. What a gift for Scotland.

If Westminster says Scotland must keep its nuclear waste, then that is the same as saying Scotland must keep it's remaining oil reserves.

OK by me :@)

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BK,

Cyberspace 01/07/2007 21:47:19

#28 I'll answer the question about Nuclear fusion when someone proves that it is
a) Possible and
B) Safe
It looks promising, but there is no scientific evidence that it wil ever be a viable source of energy.

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Catharine,

nuke-free manitoba 01/07/2007 21:51:32

ooooh oooh - can I play in the sandbox too? What a bunch of badly behaved little sots these people are acting like - and so many of you are only egging them on! Mind you, I did like the idea of putting ALL our "nucular" waste under Dubbya's butt in the White House - that was funny! Who's the lucky sod that gonna go through all those glass encased spent fuel rods and determine which is Scottish? Betcha he glows in the dark for another 1000 years!

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Charlie Ferrier,

New Zealand 01/07/2007 22:21:08

Ship the waste offshore for processing its cheaper and further away.

It is true that nuclear has much less Green House gases and in fact emits less radiation into the atmosphere than coal fired power stations, it is not really required for the the long term supply of electricity to Scotland.

The preference would be to have a combination of wind and water technologies which are renewable and whilst the initial capital costs are higher the long terms benefits are far superior.

The problem is greenpeace and the greenies in general - they actually dont know what is causing some of the climate changes which in the long time cycles of nature are a mere fraction of a second. It could be sun spot activity!!. Its the arrogance with which it is approached - on one hand they dont want any greenhouse gases produced from electricity generation or cars on the other hand they object to any alternative solution which would eliminate them as being radioactive (but controllable) or just not pretty in the coutryside. A hydro damn generator will fill up a valley but ultimately will be clean and change nature but not for the worst.

We are part of nature and the natural changes that happen to the planet include what we do. The tree huggers are being unrealistic about how to changes to a reduced emmissions power generating economy.

64

Lianachan,

Highlands 02/07/2007 08:27:18

#66

Fusion power is both possible and safe. The only thing it isn't at the moment is economical. Expect fusion power to be totally feasible within 30 years.

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Lianachan,

Highlands 02/07/2007 08:31:00

Further to the above post, I forgot to add a link.

Anybody interested in, or dubious/ignorant about fusion power could do worse than check

http://www.fusion.org.uk

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Mary Ann Fraser, of Lovat, Sawant,

02/07/2007 14:53:44

I'd just like to remind you all of this quote.

This information proves nuclear power is not the way to go as there is no way right now to curb on nuclear waste which is extremely deadly.

"The nuclear waste is a mixture of radioactive metals, which together have a half-life of about 1,000 years - the time taken for the radioactivity to fall by 50%. After that period, although the substances are still radioactive, they are much less toxic. However, the waste needs to be stored and monitored for centuries afterwards."

If this is so, even a vocano,or an earth quake can destroy the containers, and the earth will eventually be covered in this waste material eventually. It is so rediculous to even be thinking using nuclear knowing these facts. There is just no way to get rid of this threat in our life time. We are talking aprox. 2000 years from just the waste we produce right now to be safe around humans or earth life.

67

Colin, Glasgow,

02/07/2007 16:01:23

#72 Mary, there hasn't been a volcano in Scotland for 60 million years, and there won’t be another until long after the waste has decayed. The repository is designed to withstand seismic activity, and the site is chosen by qualified geologists who can predict the future stability of the rock sufficiently to ensure that it is safe.

The actual containers are not expected to survive more than a few hundred, or possibly a few thousand, years. It is part of the plan that they will fail. The repository is designed so that the natural barriers (primarily rock and clay) keep the waste safe for a million years plus.

68

Mary Ann Fraser, of Lovat, Sawant,

02/07/2007 16:33:21

It's still just a bet!

69

Colin, Glasgow,

02/07/2007 17:10:56

#74 It’s a bet with incredibly good odds though.

Metaphorically speaking, you are worrying about stepping outside because there is a billion-to-one chance you might be hit on the head by a meteorite when, all around, the fossil fuel industry is spraying machine gun bullets. You have to take the risk in perspective.

70

Caora Dubh,

Dhachaidh 02/07/2007 20:21:19

Scientists and engineers all over the world do not let borders and nationalism get in their way unless it is forced upon them. This is a technical issue, which must be solved by technical experts working together. It is much too important to be a political football. SNP: Get the hell out of the way right now, and let the nuclear experts arrive at the best possible decision for everyone!

While it is debatable whether high level nuclear waste should be transported over long distances, perhaps to a single global high level waste site, it is clear that a small island like Britain should have at most only one high level waste site. Once the decision has been made and the high level waste is being stored safely, the mindlessness of turning the issue into a "hot" tatty will become clear.

71

Jimmy Neutron,

Fair Comment 02/07/2007 21:22:28

I think it's fair comment i think ALL power stations should deal with their own entire life cycle themselves, from reprocessing to decommissioning

72

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 12/04/2009 12:35:15
The clue to this article lies in the use of the word “Executive” there is no Scottish Executive, there is a Scottish Government, Fact!
So this is a paper put out by a New Labour Think tank that has published it in the past, now being regurgitated and the so called Journo did not have the commonsense to change some of the wording.
We are to be harangued here in Scotland because the Scottish Parliament decided that there will be no Nuclear power stations built in Scotland until the question of disposal of nuclear waste has been decided.
Now elsewhere in this and other “newspapers” the fact that Westminster has a hidden agenda regarding both Nuclear Power Stations and nuclear waste disposal appears to have gone past our so-called Journalists does not surprise me in the least (lackeys all).
Hunterson has already been survived to place another Nuclear Station there, test drilling has already taken place in Scotland to determine the most suitable locations for nuclear waste disposal, the sites are already marked out and are located from the Borders to the West Highlands.

 

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