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Published Date: 21 December 2008
By Marc Horne
FOOTBALL'S governing body has given its seal of approval to Britain entering a united football team at the 2012 Olympics in London.
Scotland, along with Wales and Northern Ireland, has voiced strong concerns that competing together could jeopardise their future as separate international teams.

But Fifa insists the creation of a unified team would not confine the individual national teams to history.

The organisation's president Sepp Blatter issued a statement on the thorny issue yesterday.

He said: "The executive committee confirmed that the participation in the 2012 London Olympic Games of a single team representing Great Britain would not affect the existing individual status of the four British football associations.

"We have no problem with that because four British associations are identified in Fifa statutes as being four different entities.

"And now for the Olympic Games, they have to play in one entity."

Fifa now intends to speak with all four countries to get their thoughts on the issue and, if the plan were to go ahead, how the team would be composed. The four individual football associations are expected to report back to Fifa early next year.

But the announcement will not change the implacable official opposition to a British team north-of-the-border.

Sports minister Stewart Maxwell said: "The Scottish Football Association (SFA) does not support the idea of a GB Olympic football team and the Scottish Government wholeheartedly backs that position.

"Football fans across Scotland do not want a GB football team and neither do the Northern Ireland and Wales football associations."

An SFA spokesman said its opposition to Team GB would remain despite Blatter's assurances. He said: "The problem is Fifa are made up of their members, their members change and it can't guarantee that members in the future will have the same views."

But one Scot definitely in favour of a united team is the Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. Last week he said: "I think there is a way round this problem and that can be found if people can get round the table and discuss it."


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  • Last Updated: 21 December 2008 12:19 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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  • Related Topics: London Olympics 2012
 
1

Rufus-T-Firefly,

20/12/2008 22:48:09
Sports minister Stewart Maxwell said:
"Football fans across Scotland do not want a GB football team and neither do the Northern Ireland and Wales football associations."
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Eh?

What does this clown know?

I know loads of people that would love to see a Team GB.

Its a certainty that many of those that do not want it are basing their opinion on political motivation. How sad.

To oppose an under 23 olympic team is both petty and parochial.
2

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 00:06:03
http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2476927.0.fifas_assurance_over_team_gb_is_meaningless.php

''I know loads of people who would love to see a Team GB''

In Scotland ?
3

UK007,

21/12/2008 00:17:02
#1 RTF - Once again you are at the forefront of current events with your cutting edge posting.
4

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21/12/2008 00:20:31
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Conan the Librarian™,

21/12/2008 00:24:54
2
Nah, Freedonia, an imaginary country full of happy contented unionists.
6

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21/12/2008 00:30:57
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 00:39:22
6 Oh aye ? The kind of Gers fans who support England at the world cup I suppose. A small minority, even at Ibrox.
8

UK007,

21/12/2008 00:40:29
#6 RFT As always is correct is again.
9

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 00:41:29
OK Rufus so the guys who drink at the Rosevale Bar. They think it's a good idea.
10

Conan the Librarian™,

21/12/2008 00:42:14
6
Not all Rangers fans are "loyalist", and very few Hibbys are.

50,000 mah bahookey.
11

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 00:44:36
He's talking mince.
12

Conan the Librarian™,

21/12/2008 00:47:46
11
Heh, more like Canard a l'orange.
13

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 00:52:00
A very bon mot there, you are witty for this time of night !
14

big is the new small,

21/12/2008 00:52:13
When will the penny finally drop that no assurances are possible from FIFA? If there are new elected representatives to FIFA in two years time then they can overturn any previous statute.

It may mean that Jack Warner gets his way and there will be no England international team, no Northern Ireland international team, no Scotland international team and no Wales international team.

An under23 tournament that very few people are interested in is not worth the risk.

www.NoTeamGB.com
15

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 01:27:04
Not interested, you can ram yer ridiculous team gb football team, there is no "british" in international football and it should stay that way. I haven't met 1 person who wants it or thinks its a good idea. Actually the only people I have seen wanting it are non footballing idiots with political agendas and english idiots who do not understand the consequences.

And I'd like people to please stop calling Brown a Scot, it is insulting to Scots. He is a brit and the british can keep him. He is only interested in wiping the word Scotland from the planet, a detestable little idiot.

The olympics is nothing in football so forget it, for teh sake of our national sides.
16

Scunnert,

21/12/2008 01:31:00
Boycott the "British" Olympics!
17

Canada,

Canada 21/12/2008 01:32:44
FUFA FIFA! Scotland for ever!
18

Scunnert,

21/12/2008 01:36:02
17 Canada

"FUFA FIFA! Scotland for ever!"

Indeed.
19

Guga II,

Rockall 21/12/2008 01:42:08
Scotland should have its own Olympic team. We don't need to be lumped in with the English to prop them up.

Anyway, anyone that believes in FIFA promises or assurances must also believe in faeries at the bottom of their garden.
20

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21/12/2008 02:42:51
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FerryPort,

21/12/2008 03:16:20
GB team. What a feckin laugh!
That's no a nation.
22

murren59,

Isle of Arran 21/12/2008 04:06:02
England / GB??? One and the same in the eyes of most of the rest of the world. Let Inglind have at it...same GSTQ anthem and same Rule Britania by their fans, and same UJ's and Royal Ensigns. No doubt that their wee mini-me NI plantation will follow suit.

Personally I hope that FIFA does demand that the 'four home countries' play as one GB team in future competitions. That's probably the only way to galvanise the woeful Scottish electorate to vote for an independant Scotland.
23

Castaway™ ,

21/12/2008 04:27:42
1900 Olympics:The UK team entered was the London amateurs of Upton Park F.C.
1908 Olympics:This UK team entered was the England national amateur team.
1912 Olympics:The UK team entered was the England national amateur team.
2012 Olympics:The UK team entered was the England U-23 team plus three English players over the age of 23.
24

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 21/12/2008 07:17:28
#22 murren 69 "No doubt that their wee mini-me NI plantation will follow suit."
I think you will find that the Ulster plantation was a joint venture with the Scots well to the fore. Sadly this would not be the case with our footballers.
25

Kenny A,

21/12/2008 07:42:36
Are the English FA in favour of this daft proposal, if all the other FA's are against where are the players for this farce going to come from. Visions of the failed Lions tour run by Clive Woodward are coming to mind.

Stupid waste of time, if most are against.
26

uncle bulgaria,

21/12/2008 08:04:31

"Football fans across Scotland do not want a GB football team and neither do the Northern Ireland and Wales football associations."

And some football fans across Scotland wouldnae give a flying if there was a GB team.

Might even allow some of our youngsters a chance of fecking winning something or just international competition.

Surely better than sitting at home betting on the fixed snooker and trying to stay out the pub.
27

Mikey,

21/12/2008 08:19:51
I instinctly cheer anyone playing against some wally with a UF.

No to English rule. No to English football team and no to English olympics!
28

Joe Macdelta.,

21/12/2008 08:29:55
Aye, right!
29

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/12/2008 08:53:18
Mickey Mouse team required for a Mickey Mouse competition.
30

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/12/2008 08:54:34
1 - a non-fitba fan writes
31

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/12/2008 08:55:23
5 - excluding the Hibbies.
32

Shug,

21/12/2008 09:11:05
By christ there are a lot of small minded, insecure and paranoid Nats out there today! More Scots than you would care to admit like the Olympics and support British teams. Chris Hoy for one, Andy Murray an other. It doesn't mean they are any less Scottish and it doesn't mean that person doesn't also support an independent Scotland. It's only a game FFS.

If the wee men in suits at the SFA don't want to take part that's fine, there will be plenty of young Scot players who will be queuing up to take part. We cannot expect to have a large Scottish contingent due to the simple fact that England have a bigger pool of players and on the whole, better players. That's life not something we should lose sleep about. It's swings and roundabouts for a wee country like Scotland, e.g. some years we have a lot of players in the Lions squad (as we probably will this year) other years we have only one or two.
33

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 09:34:43
Sebb Blatter, the President of FIFA, and his Executive have an average age of 63! Each of their profiles and ages can be obtained on the FIFA website.

The IFA, SFA, and FAW, must obtain a legally binding agreement from FIFA before they take part in a UK team.
IF need be, FIFA should rewrite its rules of association to allow this temporary arrangement without endangering the Celtic Nations future as separate footballing countries.

Verbal agreements aren't worth the words spoken.

In 2012, its highly likely that Sebb Blatter and other members of the FIFA Executive will be long gone, along with the Labour Government!
34

John S,

21/12/2008 09:45:47
There is more to this than just fielding a UK Olympic football team so what could be at stake ?
As well as being individual members of FIFA, the four home associations have one guaranteed vice-presidency position on FIFA’s Executive Committee plus they are 50% of the International FA Board. (IFAB).

The IFAB acts as the custodian of the game's laws, comprises FIFA with four votes and the four home nations having one vote each thanks to their historical role in the game which, it could be argued, means that FIFA's other 204 member associations are unrepresented.
IFAB deliberations must be approved by at least six votes. Thus, FIFA's approval is necessary for any IFAB decision, but FIFA alone cannot change the Laws of the Game; they need to be agreed by at least two of the UK members.

No doubt the home associations as well as being individual members of FIFA plus having one guaranteed vice-presidency position on FIFA’s Executive Committee plus they have 4 out of the 8 votes on the IFAB is unfair, the other FIFA member nations will try and remove these powers from the home nations.

This was tried ten years ago, when there was a formal Caribbean motion to end Wales’ existence as a World Cup team by forcing them to play under one Great Britain banner.
The move only received three votes at a Fifa congress, but Wales have always feared since it would raise its head again one day.Jul 26 2008

Britain's .......no other country has such a privilege and the situation has long been a source of envy to other FIFA members. Mar 24, 2002
35

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/12/2008 09:49:46
33 - "it's only a game" well some of us attach a lot of importance to the game up here to have it jeopardised by a tuppence-ha'peny novelty competition.
36

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/12/2008 09:55:59
35 - yep and the privilege will be threatened by those who regard fitba as 'just a game'.
The only people showing inordinate enthusiasm for the Olympic fitba tourney in 2012 ( confined to U23s rememember) are Gordon Broon and his minions. We should treat this competition as sporting kryptonite.
37

Destroy the Planet,

21/12/2008 10:01:53
Its a move to the darkside
38

lulach mac gille coemgain,

21/12/2008 10:09:45
Team GB - cheats against the world !

Let’s just have team Europe ? Nae - Team Northern Hemisphere - nae - Team world all running together wi no competition !
39

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21/12/2008 10:13:55
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Rufus-T-Firefly­,

21/12/2008 10:24:44
It is not true that i never leave my house, have no life and just sit here posting dribble all day and night. Oh no!

I recently took up a martial art! Oh yes. I have enrolled in my local Morris dancing class. It is quite strenuous, but so is doing my ususal 60 hour binge self abuse/posting sessions on here, I can tell you!
41

John S,

21/12/2008 10:32:20
Regarding membership of UEFA.
The Uefa rules clearly stipulate that only countries that are recognised by the United Nations can join Uefa.Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland, England and the Faroe Isles are not members of the UN either, but they joined Uefa before the rule was passed.
(Off course rules can be changed by the members of Uefa).

There are 53 members of Uefa and of the 32 available spots in the 2006 FIFA World Cup, 13 were allocated to UEFA national teams, now if the home countries achieve 4 of those spots this would leave 9 amongst the other 49 members ? This won't happen but can be used as why have 4 associations representing the one sovereign nation ?
No membership of Uefa could mean some form of curtailed UK club and national representations in Uefa competitions and who would loose out ?

Is membership of FIFA (Uefa) a risk worth taking for the sake a couple of Scottish players who maybe chosen for a one off event ?

The English FA have already said "Ideally we would like to do that with the other home nations, but if the other home nations do not agree, we are happy to carry on."

This was suggested by FIFA president Sepp Blatter who said.They should enter only a team composed of players from England,"."This will then not provoke a long and endless discussion of the four British associations."BBC 9 March 2008
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21/12/2008 10:32:36
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john z,

edinburgh 21/12/2008 11:46:36
It;s not surprising that many England football fans are now against this farcical 'team gb'. Down South they are starting to realise, that just as this threatens national squads for Scotland, Wales and so on.., it also threatens England having its own national squad. No more 'three lions on a shirt', or engerland engerland engerland.

The strips would go, the songs would go, and all the England supporter tradition, which is as important to England fans, as Scottish tradition is to Scotland fans will be no more.

This politically motivated move, as part of Browns' plan to encourage 'britishness' will damage football in England in the same way as Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland.

Admittedly, in the future, the gb football squad would likely be dominated by england, but the england fans have a lot of tradition and history too, and that would be lost, just so Broon can try disguise the fact he is an unelected Scottish prime minister ruling england.

The so-called 'guarantees' from FIFA regarding the individual nations, is as credible as the 'guarantees' Chamberlain extracted from Adolf Hitler. We all know how that ended.

This push for a team gb football team, is pure politics, and Fans of Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland AND importantly England, should tell the politicians to F off.

Brown, Murphy et.al.in London Labour should note that this IS an early vote winning Christmas gift to the SNP.
44

Daft Old Git,

21/12/2008 11:49:00
Works great for the British Lions. There again rugby fans don't spend the game chanting abuse at the opposition
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john z,

edinburgh 21/12/2008 11:54:01
People should also remember, that England, is not referred to in Scotland as the 'auld friend'. It is referred to as 'the auld enemy'.

A small difference, but important nonetheless.
46

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 12:36:14
All these ridiculous grovelling unionists should leave football alone! mind your own damn business and quit dragging politics into something you know nothing about!

the british lions is a completely different issue, ask any rugby player and he'll tell you the pinnacle is playing for your country & playing for the lions. No idea why, I think it's gay but it's not my sport so I stay out of it. The pinnacle of a footballers career IS NOT the olympics. As far as football is concerned the olympics are completely irrelevant. Swimming, athletics, etc etc aye but football no. Leave it alone.
47

livilion,

livingston 21/12/2008 14:01:32
#48 Roseblue

England WAS Great Britain(and STILL IS to a great many south of the border and the colonies)right up until Euro96, when English fans were forced to adopt the Cross of St George as their team's flag instead of the 'Union Jack' traditionally sported by England supporters.

We still have the Queen of England, Queen Elizabeth the second on our Bank of England currency, inspite of the fact that the United Kingdom of Great Britain was only created AFTER the death of England's Elizabeth the first.

No surprise then that resistance to Team GBR is least at THE FA, Northern Ireland(we're no Oirish, wur Bruttish) and those parts of West Central Scotland where the Union Flag is also used as a sectarian icon.

Auld Nick will be playing snowballs on his way to work before there's an Olympic football Team GBR that isn't simply the England team(maybe with a Scottish manager?).
48

arc of insolvency,

21/12/2008 14:48:24
And they say Nationalists are bitter and twisted! I'll be cheering on Team GB as i do with all the home nations.
49

arc of insolvency,

21/12/2008 16:19:40
#53 my comment was not intended for you, it was referring to some of the comments SNP nationalist had left.
50

JT,

21/12/2008 16:57:10
If there was a guarentee that there would be a fair selection policy then I think it wouldnt be too bad, however it wont be, simply due to the fact that England is bigger, more players and a prime minister who is scottish when it suits him (not very often). As for Sepp Blatter, thats a man never to be trusted, remember he shaffted us in a qualifier when we turned up for the game and the opposition didnt.
51

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 21/12/2008 17:12:49
Scotland shoud have its own Olympic team and as for Team GB, fans from the four constituent Countries of the UK are against it.
This shows how out of touch the Government really are
52

Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 21/12/2008 17:23:38
who really cares anyway the whole of the olympics is a gross extravagance that no one can afford get rid of it once and for all prefarably before 2012 .
We are already upto our necks in debt
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21/12/2008 17:24:41
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yoric,

21/12/2008 17:31:52
It is official policy of both the Government and the Conservative opposition at Westminster to deny the right of England to exist as a nation.
Hence the failed attempt at English regions.

Now we can't by definition have the Government opposing a GB football side, because that hints that England has the right to exist as an independent nation.

Note the Government support for the Olympic team 'GB' with the lack of support for any team playing as 'English'.

Also the Westminster Government dosen't want to give too much support to Scottish teams because that encourage's call's for Independence, and we can't have Independence for Scotland without recognising the right of England also to be Independent.
55

Gorach,

Oban 21/12/2008 17:31:58
A big NO to team GB football.
I support the GB Olympic team in general but not for the Football. That's a different issue with an emotional, patriotic element that FIFA and the PM are clearly not considering.
Let the English represent team GB if there is a GB at that time.

England forever and Scotland for a wee bit longer.

56

Aberdeenshire Scot,

21/12/2008 17:46:56
The Tartan Army think they have a monopoly on this Team GB Business.

Well I have news for them they dont.

The Tarnished Army more like.
57

Aberdeenshire Scot,

21/12/2008 17:47:36
or..........the tranny army
58

Aberdeenshire Scot,

21/12/2008 17:48:28
or.........Kilted Buffoons.
59

Aberdeenshire Scot,

21/12/2008 17:49:09
Tartan Army=The greatest fans in the world--NOT,our press, the English and Northern Irish press should slaughter them and Fifa should take action. Bunch of small minded morons
60

Aberdeenshire Scot,

21/12/2008 17:50:39
Tartan Army = The Von Trapp family.

High on a hill was a lonely goatherd
Lay ee odl lay ee odl lay hee hoo
61

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 21/12/2008 17:55:57
59
Not quite, the UK is a Unitary STATE made up of constituent Countries and the Treaty of Union is , yes a Treaty not an Act between Scotland and England which in theory, is always up for re- negotiation or even repeal.
And also you have to be a Country with a National League to be a member of UEFA/FIFA

66 Bahhhhhhh
Fans of all the UK Countries are against team GB F*D
62

Aberdeenshire Scot,

21/12/2008 18:07:56
#67 Tartan Tranny
The English FA are not against it. Whys that?
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St Andrew 01,

johannesburg 21/12/2008 19:33:42
FIFA and the little demi football god Blatter has destroyed the game.
Never in the history of the game has football ever been in such a state of disarray! Off side is a farce, the bookings for removing shirts is an absolute joke, the protection goal keepers receive is beyond belief, the semi contact status we now have is embarrassing and after all this - let us remember that FIFA have got no jurisdiction at the olympics - nada, niks, nothing!
Blatter needs to be removed from his post effective immediately
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big is the new small,

21/12/2008 19:37:57
#68 The EFA are for it (probably because they have a seat on the IOC board). Likewise Blatter is on the IOC board and Coe is employed by FIFA as head of their "ethics" committee. Doesn't it all begin to weave a tangled web?

The English fans are against it. Just take a look at the FSF website for confirmation.
65

St Andrew 01,

cape town 21/12/2008 19:49:14
It doesnt matter who is in the team, all that matters is that Britain gets the chance to compete - if there are no Scotsmen in the team it will be because none are good enough - end of
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P Rayner.,

Latin America. 21/12/2008 21:02:55
I suspect there will be a GB team , possibly composed entirely of Englishmen . I suspect further that GB will receive support of the overwhelming majority throughout the UK . However whatever the position of the home unions I very much doubt they have the power to prevent any person wishing to play for GB . All it will take is one legal challenge to the pusilaminous SFA , the Welsh and Irish FA´s for them to cave in . In so far as Wales is concerned failure to support GB should lead to the expulsion of its teams playing in English leagues and will set in stone the refusal to admit to the Premier League Celtic and Rangers . Foolhardy obstinacy has its price .
67

Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 23:35:22
Fitba is a game for moron supporters especially in Glasgow. It has no place in the Olympics. All those scumbags that frequent the pubs on the Gallowgate. They are imports from the Irish Republic. You would think you were in Dublin Grafton St. All trying to sell dodgy stolen videos to help buy Celtic season tickets while they claim state benefits. Never worked in their lives. London should ban them. Easy to spot. Big foreheids and rid heided. And are experts at filling in benefit forms.
68

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 21/12/2008 23:44:14
I do'nt know what all the stushy is all about. There is a small thing called a REFERENDUM coming along before the Olympics,called a REFERENDUM ON INDEPENDENCE.The result will be that SCOTLAND WILL BE THERE IN HER OWN RIGHT and england will be there now as gb.When you come to vote on that day just remember what gordon brown is doing to SCOTLAND TODAY!!!!!!!
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P Rayner.,

Latin America. 21/12/2008 23:51:20
SHAMUS , Glasgow . Difficult not to agree with you Shamus . The picture you paint of new Dublin can only be imagined by me , an Englishman in Peru , but I doubt it wide of the mark . I enjoy football but the sight of the average fan , north and south , invariably wants to make me vomit . I long for the Puritan past to return to our country .
70

P Rayner.,

Latin America . 21/12/2008 23:53:26
Scotindy . At every election Scots have steadfastly refused to vote for separation . I´ll wager they´ll continue to do so .
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Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 23:59:37
75# I doubt Scotland ever had a Puritan past. We did have some religious nutters like most countries.(still do) and they are the money people. But fitba is not for the Olympics. They have their own stage. I do like the Olympics. It is only every four years. The fittie mob should do the right thing and opt oot voluntarily.
72

P Rayner.,

Latin America . 22/12/2008 00:07:27
SHAMUS .I do agree , football is not right for the Olympics . For myself I think the Olympics should more or less revert to its past , no sychronized swimming etc etc . England very much has a Puritan past and , by extension so too did Scotland . The Union is offcially 300 years but in practice far far longer .
73

Shamus,

Glasgow 22/12/2008 00:08:48
74# You could count the ballot papers! Gordon Broon was not in Scotland today. He was doing important things like changing nappies. A good family man he is.
Looks after pensioners, heating allowance etc. Care for the elderly. You Tartan Tories will reverse all this. Tick like the Irish. Braindeid.
74

Shamus,

Glasgow 22/12/2008 00:13:52
78# I did for a moment get carried away with the ladies beach volleyball but I could have purchased a middle shelf soft porn video from the local shop! Time to get back to the real olympics.
75

P Rayner.,

Latin America . 22/12/2008 00:20:37
SHAMUS . Pop down to the famous Grafton St for the real thing . Even though you appear Scottish we seem to agree some things . Ofcourse I too would certainly not wish to banish ladies beach vollyball or tennis !
76

Shamus,

Glasgow 22/12/2008 00:36:04
81# Do not be confused jimmy! I am Scottish and BRITISH. Whits it like doon Mexico way innat.
77

livilion,

livingston 22/12/2008 00:52:00
#76 P Rayner

At every election for the previous fifty years the majority of Scots voted for 'the Peoples' Party' to represent them and protect them from their Tory 'bosses'.

These days it is a tough sell for Labour's Barons, Earls and former public schoolboys/girls to pass that particular bill of goods. How many legs good?

Even former Marxists, like Darling, in the current Westminster cabinet are more right wing than Thatcher ever dared.

It wasn't Thatcher's Tories but Tony Blair who removed student grants and introduced loans for those who might afford higher education.

It wasn't Peery Norry who proposed offering the poor loans at 27% when the Bank of England base rate was heading for 1-2%.

Remember Michael Foot and Labour cabinet ministers turning out for CND rallies, remember the likes of Cathy Jamieson even helping set up cross party CND committees at Holyrood?

Those same CND activists now campaigning for new nuclear power stations to provide the weapons grade materials for the next generation of the UKs WMDs and cheerfully falling into line behind Honest Tony and Gordy's next generation of nuclear platforms to 'fight the war on terror'.

This presumably to be able to nuke Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and anywhere else giving sanctuary to religious extremists(Israel&USA anyone?) seeking to enforce their will on their neighbours.

All Scots will continue to oppose separation, but it depends who you are what you are opposing separation from: more and more are voting to be included in the grown-ups World, rather than being separated from it hidden under Mother England's aprons.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 22/12/2008 01:18:56
83# You windbag. Scotland has never been under any apron except maybe a masonic one however we have never been under an English one. The English are in awe of us for keeping them on the right course for freedom and democracy. I like the English, the real English I mean, not the Irish that live in England that bleed them for benefits.When the English wake up we are all in trouble. Just be nice to them and they will respect us.
79

livilion,

livingston 22/12/2008 01:45:28
84 Shameus
Any apron, not even Lord Cumberland the butcher's apron?

In awe of us? Aye that'll be shining, most couldn't give a ff for us, as much as any of us eg have the slightest idea what is going in the Welsh valleys.

Real English, how very BNP of you?

Respected for being 'nice'?
Be nice to 'them', like what I did with my lovely English bride on our honeymoon?
Any chance I get!
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Kipling,

23/12/2008 01:57:28
Do the five circles in the paper cut-out's head, the logo for the next Olympics, designate the number of neurons in the average footballer's brain ?

 

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