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Published Date: 04 January 2009
DRUNKS who urinate in the street are to be targeted in a major police crackdown amid growing public disgust at the anti-social behaviour.
Scotland's largest force aims to increase the number of fines given out for the offence by a fifth with senior force officials yesterday said the move was in direct response to growing public disgust with the sheer numbers of men – and occasionally w
omen – who go to the toilet in the street, especially after closing time.

"People are really fed up of this," said one insider.

The number of public urination offences recorded in the Strathclyde area alone has nearly doubled in the last five years, from 2,595 to 4,566. The vast majority of offenders were slapped with new fixed penalty fines of £40 introduced last year.

Grampian Police has caught and fined more than 1,200 people, mostly men with their zips down, since the end of June 2007.

Lothian and Borders Police declined to give figures. However, Edinburgh's problems with public urination were summed up last week when Channel Five broadcast CCTV pictures of a drunk emptying his bladder on one of the force's patrol cars.

Strathclyde has come up with what one observer called the "curiously specific" target of a 19.5% for detections of public urination as part of a new accountability and transparency drive championed by its chief constable, Steve House, and its joint police board. The force has haggled with its political overseers on the board to come up with a whole series of aspirations, many with concrete figures attached, on issues as diverse as vandalism and terrorism.

New objectives include a 41.4% rise in detections of illegal street drinking.

The force already comes across more than 23,000 such cases a year – a two-fifths rise could see another 10,000 incidents recorded. But force chiefs yesterday insisted they are not playing a numbers game.

Chief Superintendent Ewen MacLellan explained. "This process is not about quotas," he said. "It is about focusing operational activity on areas of concern and 'quality of life' issues such as street drinking and urinating that have rightly been identified by the public."

Council leaders in Glasgow have been pressing for action on public urination, especially in parks that have become no-go areas for families.

Tory MSP Bill Aitken was a Glasgow councillor and magistrate for years. He backed the crackdown on people drinking in the street – "the cause of many a rammy," he said – but sounded a note of caution on urinators.

He said: "I really don't think we can have people making a public display in the street, particularly at closing time.

"But they maybe shouldn't target someone caught short going home, who goes up a lane or some discreet spot."

Christopher Mason, a Glasgow Liberal Democrat councillor and member of Strathclyde's board, knows how much public consultation has gone into police targets. He said:

"It is all very well to say that these are meant to focus the attention, but as you get to the year's end there is a very natural tendency to try to achieve your targets and then policing becomes driven by the target and not the strategic goal."





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  • Last Updated: 03 January 2009 8:07 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
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1

Backofthenet,

04/01/2009 00:49:32
Are they taking the....?
2

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 04/01/2009 01:39:17
..but it is their Human right to p*sh wheresoever they please!Drunks have no dignity or self-control.If it were the odd one caught short, fair enough,but the figures don't give that any credence.
Naming and shaming will do little to help either.Why?It would seem that shameless as well as disgusting habits are turning a pleasant land into a european Zimbabwe look alike.
3

Teofilio Cubillas,

04/01/2009 01:44:26
A police tactic from not too far in the dim and distant past was to use the urinator's jacket to clean up the puddle.
4

bill inch,

EDINBURGH 04/01/2009 04:06:51
Lothian and Borders Police declined to give figure?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
5

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04/01/2009 08:26:06
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6

donald,

glasgow 04/01/2009 08:38:10
Glasgow Cooncillors coldnae even run a public toilet. What do they expect after closing them all down years ago. What are visitors supposed to make of this?
7

Phil1,

Edinburgh 04/01/2009 08:39:00
Of course if there were more public toilets ?

Just how many extra temporary toilets were put along Princess Street for the 100,000 people who paid £10 or more for their New Year's Eve Party tickets?

Where did they all go to the toilet - so its not just drunks - when you have to go you have to go.
8

Lindsay Wakefield,

Canada 04/01/2009 09:41:07
Well...it is rather extreme to get the police involved in this.....but on the other hand.....if people are relieving themselves on someones personal property, perhaps they deserve to get fined for it. Not only is urinating (and sometimes defecating) unsanitary, but its also a health risk for hepatitus, and other disease.

9

carrottop,

Dumfries 04/01/2009 10:19:15
Last year while taking wife to work at around 9 am in the morning a young 'lady' (20's) done her business in full view on the pavement of Buccleugh Street bridge on a main artery into Dumfries. No reason other than being ignorant as public toilet within hundred yards unfortunately not many had a good look at her face.

3# Spot on, out with the PC and back to what works.
10

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 04/01/2009 12:34:33
It's ok in Nottingham .......
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/7798194.stm
11

Churchill W.,

04/01/2009 12:52:06

The have developed a type of solution, ici:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1567451/Paris-mayor-moves-to-stop-public-urinating.html
12

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 04/01/2009 13:19:55
Hope Bendy Wendy is reading this.
13

A Regular,

04/01/2009 13:30:42
Perhaps Lothian & Borders were a bit hesitant as they had instructed their officers NOT to charge people with urinating in public, unless they were committing another offence!
However, with the inception of the fixed penalty ticket, it is now a problem which they are allowed to act on.
Not a money making exercise!!!
14

Stuart W,

http://planet-politics.blogspot.com 04/01/2009 14:35:33
Not dissimilar stuff from Tayside Police recently, but instead of simple objectives they call them "targets for excellence".

And given the ludicrously spurious accuracy of their statistics I'm surprised they didn't say that they needed quarter (say) of an ethnic officer to make up their quota!
15

Stuart W,

http://planet-politics.blogspot.com/ 04/01/2009 14:36:19
Forgot the link; anyone interested see:

http://planet-politics.blogspot.com/2008/11/arresting-reading.html
16

IainGlasgow,

04/01/2009 15:12:16
Great. Maybe they can invest the money raised in having at least one city centre public toilet open 24 hours
17

Jack fae Glasgow,

Glasgow 04/01/2009 15:58:52
There are numerous reasons why someone suddenly needs the loo, not necessarily booze induced, so where do the city burghers suggest that one goes to, especially since they spent the last decade shutting all of the free public loos down? The City Chambers perhaps?
18

WL,

livingston 05/01/2009 16:10:28
Does the £40 fine also apply to dogs and horses?

 

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