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Speaker on brink over expenses



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Published Date:
24 February 2008
THE Speaker of the House of Commons was under mounting pressure to quit last night as damaging new details emerged about his wife's use of taxis and further questions were raised about his expenses claims.
Officials admitted that Michael Martin's wife, Mary, had taken taxi rides in London with her housekeeper, contradicting previous claims that she had been accompanied by an official. Martin's spokesman quit last night over the taxi row, blaming officials who had "led (him] to mislead" journalists.

Scotland on Sunday can also reveal Martin last year charged £17,000 in expenses against the cost of running his home in Glasgow, even though Land Registry documents suggest he does not have a mortgage on it.

Martin's expenses claim on his house is within parliamentary rules and MPs can claim up to £22,100 to help with the cost of running a second home. But critics last night questioned why he would need to charge the taxpayer so much for a house if, as the documents suggest, it has no mortgage. The revelations came amid claims several senior MPs are being canvassed to replace Martin.

Asked for clarification about his expenses claims last night, a spokeswoman for Martin would say only: "The Speaker obeys the rules and the spirit of the rules."

In recent weeks it has emerged that Martin had used air miles from official flights to help meet the costs of journeys for his family over Christmas.

He also faced questions over large taxi bills run up by his wife. This had been explained by claiming that she was accompanied by an official on parliamentary business. But the pressure was piled on yesterday afternoon when Martin's spokesman, Mike Granatt, revealed he had quit, admitting he had unwittingly handed out incorrect information over Martin's wife's taxi claims.

It has emerged that the passenger was the Martins' housekeeper. This raises the possibility that Martin might have to repay the amount, £4,280.

In a statement, Granatt declared: "I found it no longer possible to work as media adviser to the House of Commons Commission and I have informed the Speaker that I am stepping down immediately.

"It is core to the ethical code by which I and my company operate that I tell the truth and I am given the truth to tell. I learned on Friday that I had been led to mislead journalists over material facts of a story concerning the Speaker's household's use of taxis. I have expressed my regret. I wish to make it clear that this is no fault of the Speaker."

Granatt added: "I had been told she had been accompanied by an official. And, in fact, the person concerned was the

housekeeper." Granatt said that the "implication" of the taxi journeys was therefore very different from what had previously been suggested and he had to quit.

The new revelations come with Martin facing intense pressure to stand down from the job he has held since 2000, when he took over from Labour MP Betty Boothroyd.

It was reported yesterday that four senior MPs are being canvassed to see whether they would be interested in becoming Speaker. MPs are powerless to get rid of a Speaker, but many critical MPs hope the pressure of the current row will see Martin resign. Friends, however, say that he is determined to stay on until after the next General Election, claiming he is the victim of snobbery and discrimination.

The post of Speaker is one of the most prestigious in British politics and comes with a £138,000 salary and a grace-and-favour house in the Palace of Westminster.

On Martin's expenses for 2006-07, he is listed as spending £17,346 on the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA), which MPs use to pay for the costs of running a second home or, if they do not have a home, staying in hotels.

It can be used for mortgages, rent, utility bills and maintenance. A spokesman for Martin said he used it for his Glasgow home.

Martin also claims £7,595 as Incidental Expenses Provision (IEP), which can be used to meet the cost of running an office. As Martin's house is his office, this too pays for his home.

Martin bought his luxury detached home in Bishopbriggs, Glasgow, in 1998 for £173,000. Local property records suggest it has now easily doubled in value. Land Registry documents suggest he did not take out a mortgage on the property.

Although Martin has not broken the rules, critics are now demanding to know why, if there is no mortgage, he requires such large sums of expenses to help pay for it.

Earlier this month, the multi-millionaire Conservative MP Michael Ancram was criticised after he used the ACA to clear moss from his mortgage-free home.

Former independent MP Martin Bell said last night: "Of course this is in the rules – the House of Commons sets the rules. I think he should go now. We are in a grave parliamentary crisis. Now is the time for him to step aside."

The Speaker's office last night refused to say whether or not he did have a mortgage at the property. An official said: "All this information is in the public domain and is published every October. The Speaker obeys the rules and the spirit of the rules."

A spokesman for the Taxpayer's Alliance said: "Michael Martin is supposed to oversee the rules on MPs' allowances, but his behaviour leaves a lot to be desired. People have precious little faith in politicians as it is."

Martin's rise from slums to Speaker's chair

Eddie Barnes

WHEN Sir Sean Connery had dinner with Michael and Mary Martin at their apartment in the House of Commons, they found they had something in common. They believed themselves to be the victims of snobbery. Connery's advice was to ignore it.

It will be difficult to ignore his critics today. Martin is facing huge pressure to step down, has seen his spokesman resign and is now, following investigations by this newspaper, facing questions over why such large sums of taxpayers' cash are being spent on his Glasgow house.

Despite his nickname of Gorbals Mick, he is not from that part of Glasgow. He was brought up in a slum tenement on the other side of the Clyde, in Anderston, not far from the site of the Hilton Hotel. He failed his 11-plus exam and met his wife Mary working in a factory where he was serving his apprenticeship as a sheet metal worker.

What he lacked in qualifications, he made up in ambition, rising through Glasgow council politics into Westminster, where his networking skills saw him rise quickly through the ranks.

He was well aware of the need to maintain strong local links, and with his son Paul becoming MSP for Springburn in 1999, the family has now tied up the north-east of Glasgow as its own. Politics is, says one commentator, "the family business".

Martin's ambition was on show in 2000 when he broke the parliamentary convention – that a Labour MP should be followed by a Tory – to actively campaign for the Speaker's job.

Friends say one of his problems is that he has brought the shop steward mentality to the Commons, and has been overly concerned with protecting MPs' interests.

This has been apparent in recent week when, faced with a crisis of confidence in the Parliament sparked by a series of scandals involving MPs expenses, he turned to a group of 'establishment' MPs to carry out a review. For many, this was proof positive that Martin did not have what it took to clean out Westminster's mucky stable.

But he also found himself isolated from his old comrades as a result of the job – which was why his wife had to come down from Glasgow every week to keep him company.

His many critics in the Parliamentary gallery argue he has long failed to master the House, still relies on his clerks for advice and simply doesn't have the brains for the job. He has long been the butt of the sketchwriter's barbs – it was one of the scribes in the gallery who coined the nickname he so hates.

The vitriol has served to rally his allies around him. On Friday they hit back at what they described as a "nasty", "sickening" and "pernicious" campaign to get rid of him.

But there are also other friends who currently despair at the way Martin has given ammunition for his critics. The revelations last weekend that he had used air miles built up on official business to help pay for a series of flights for his family were met with exasperation. "It's just so stupid of him," said one friend.

The fresh row over his and his wife's conduct will only cement that view. It has been a long road from the slums of Anderston to the Speaker's chair. But now many are asking: has that road come to an end?

The full article contains 1504 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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24/02/2008 00:08:51
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democrate,

central Scotland 24/02/2008 00:19:34
maybe I am just thick, but I thought that expenses for a second home were properly incurred when you had to pay for 2 houses, one in the constituency and one near to Parliament. Isn't the Speaker's home in London grace and favour i.e. free? So, he pays for one house and it does not qualify for a subsidy, whether he has a mortgage or not? Have I got it wrong?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 24/02/2008 00:33:19
He's going down. I see his son Paul, the Labour MSP for Springburn still hasn't declared the free air miles his da gave him for Christmas holidays on the registar of interests. Business class Glasgow to London return, what am I bid?
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democrate,

central Scotland 24/02/2008 00:34:39
3- £519.00
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24/02/2008 00:36:14
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 00:36:42
Just shows that when a New Labour Member looks at an opportunity for personal advancement, it always comes down to HOW Much he can screw out of the system at the expense of the Ordinary Folk who just want a government like the SNP, who put their Scottish Countrymen first in every case.

There wouldnt be one London Controlled New Labour MP in Westminster who actually does anything for the Scottish Nation and that particularly applies to Brown and Darling.

Our country is not a stepping stone for their political aspirations. Its Time that we vote everyone of these scumbags out of office at the next election. Vote for only SNP MP's to send down south to Westminster. You know they dont want to be there for any other reason than to Keep the Ba***rds honest. The very least an SNP majority of Real Scottish Patriots would get us would be more than it is now. Its our turn to crack the whip and look after Scotlands Peoples Rights and Interests.Lets face it they are the only ones who have proved their commitment to Scotland rather than the Trough.
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AJ Fife,

24/02/2008 00:38:02
The Labour disease strikes again!

They canny help themselves, can they?
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madrab,

edinburgh 24/02/2008 00:41:10
#3 I think you're mistaken.

He'll get off without charge just like Wendy, GB will sort that out with a few calls.

Another not in the public interest?

Meanwhile a wife of a former MP is suspended from her job because the police find a few miniature drinks while searching her home in an unrelated enquiry.

Is that really in the public interest?

Has the Chief Constable of Lothian and Borders Police tendered his resignation yet?

If not, why not?
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Aýrshire Scot™,

24/02/2008 00:49:15
#8 A few miniature drinks?

How do you know?

The quantity of drink and makeup that was found has not been announced anywhere has it?

Why should the Chief Constable of Lothian and Borders Police tender his resignation? He is doing a great job.
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madrab,

edinburgh 24/02/2008 00:58:51
He's maybe doing a great job if you live in Ayrshire.

I didn't realise you had computers down there yet.

Haven't you got your own news to worry about?
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madrab,

edinburgh 24/02/2008 01:07:33
#9 Also,

If the quantity had been large, it would surely have been reported in this unionist "newspaper".
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Rasco,

Inverness 24/02/2008 01:08:45
Ex-ministers cash in on days of power read this article in the times today OH to be an MP.
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democrate,

central Scotland 24/02/2008 01:15:23
He should not be on the brink - he should be on the dole and in the dock.
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Angus Macoatup,

24/02/2008 01:46:03
To quote Mr Granatt
"that I tell the truth and I am given the truth to tell".this comment marks him out as a man of principle,unlike the Martin oligarchy who leach off the blood of the common man/woman but, on the up-side what an own goal .C, Mon the day of our independance
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Kenny A,

24/02/2008 02:24:43
Greed and stupidity, must be a politician.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 24/02/2008 02:27:54
What the hell is going om here ? ! Dodgy donations, dubious claims for expences from the Martins, and laudering of money from family crooks like Mulgrew to the Godmans ( both Labour politicians).

Labour are rotten to the core. It's simply disgusting !!
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Matt there,

somewhere 24/02/2008 02:37:42
Have Labour always been like this? They are even worse that the Tories!
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rawhide ,

24/02/2008 03:17:05
Another Sunday and another liebour pig is caught with it's snout snorting from an illegal trough.
I think I will roast a pig for sunday dinner.
Sent by air mail from liebour HQ London on route to springburn.

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Angus Macoatup,

24/02/2008 03:39:29
this liebour Tony B liar thing has run it's course

Mon we can do better than that...........
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Glasgow Expat,

Desert 24/02/2008 04:13:03
Order!!! Order!!! Order my wife a taxi.
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BOBO UMBONGONDO,

back o' the taxi 24/02/2008 04:55:47
Does anyone really believe that these people give a potstoss, what the public think. James Keir Hardie must be wondering, whatever happend to the party that was for the working, these people should be charged just as shell suit Senga would be for fiddling the social to feed her kids.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 24/02/2008 05:07:37
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Glasgow Expat,
Desert 2

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That's funny Dude....LMAO
GC
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Scotindy,

Loa Angeles 24/02/2008 05:19:35
This is just scratching the surface for labour mps msps. From the second first minister to this guy and all the scum inbetween,let's get rid of the lot of them at the next election vote SNP and vote for honesty and INDEPENDENCE!!!
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Jim Baxter RIP,

Sai Kung, Hong Kong 24/02/2008 05:34:00
Another Scots labour hypocrite.Get rid of the lot of them for God's sake. What's up with the voters in the UK; why would you put up with this ? Blair, Brown, Alexander, Martin ; a disgrace to the Scots nation. SNP is your only hope.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 24/02/2008 05:34:33
It all seemed like such a wheeze all those years ago. Now, they just want to hide away somewhere. Isn't it a strange phenomenon when you realise you are everything you once hated?

Neu Leiber = disease.
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donald,

glasgow 24/02/2008 05:58:34
It was a few miniatures and some scent. Search any stewardess hoose. Big crome of the century. Come to think of it. Why single Gail out? Maybe the rest are in the Labour Party.
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donald,

glasgow 24/02/2008 05:58:48
It was a few miniatures and some scent. Search any stewardess hoose. Big crime of the century. Come to think of it. Why single Gail out? Maybe the rest are in the Labour Party.
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an interested party,

24/02/2008 07:00:49
MP with nose in trough shocker

no i am not shocked it has come to be expected

one day 'this sort of thing' wont be common

and that is the day hell freezes over
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1745,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 07:37:49
Martin has always reminded me of Jimmy Tarbuck in drag.......but he was funny!!
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 24/02/2008 08:09:15
As one who was a card-carrying member for 32 years it pains me to say it but New Labour is now as bent as a £3 note.
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laoban,

borders 24/02/2008 08:18:44

Public servants , or are we just supplying servants
Public service or are we just being serviced

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brownlie,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 08:20:47
32: What gives you the right to be a spokesperson for the 20% of non-Scots you mention? How are you sure that they support parties who, by their own admission, are guilty of deceit. How deceitful that a party founded out of concern for social justice and equality and were supposed to be anti-nuclear, anti-trident and anti-sleaze now willingly embrace all three.
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Joe,

SCOTLAND 24/02/2008 08:22:57
#7..Correction - "The Glasgow desease"?
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Aýrshire Scot™,

24/02/2008 08:24:32
#28 Donald whats a 'hoose'?

Theft is theft is theft.

Thats why British Airways have suspended her. My wife is an air stewardess and I can assure you we do not have one stolen item in our household.

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Aýrshire Scot™,

24/02/2008 08:26:47
#32 well said Tweedmouth.

I concur 100%.
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Cadgers,

Perth 24/02/2008 08:34:47
#34 "Public servants , or are we just supplying servants
Public service or are we just being serviced "......

No laoban, not serviced just shafted!
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subrosa,

24/02/2008 08:38:23
#32

My tribal obsession? Nationalism can't be inclusive? You're insulting every person who lives in Scotland.

My type of nationalism is the freedom to make my own choices and not to have them made for me by persons who have no concern for me or mine. My type of nationalism is to defend my culture. My type of nationalism is to support my country folk.

Your type of nationalism is the hysterical, scare mongering type. We see through this now though much to your obvious disdain.

Wha's like us? - not you!
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 24/02/2008 08:39:52
Once again you see why some of us don't bother voting.
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24/02/2008 08:40:11
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 09:04:11
Hard to believe a member of the old Boilermakers Union
and at one time hard left member of the Labour Party who has attained high office as Speaker of the House
of Commons could take advantage of his position?

The old adage: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." has never been a truer saying. However, Baron Acton's famous comment also included: "Great men are almost always bad men."
The present Speaker is in no way a "great man".
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Encephalon,

24/02/2008 09:05:45
Another week passes-another Nulab snout caught in the trough! Gorbals Mick ta ta!

The current nulab liars and thieves in Westminister along with Phoney Tony should all be carted off to prison but Cameron's Old Etonian toffs and spiffs are just as sleazy and are not the answer. SNP-sorry Sir Shawn-a pipe dream -it will never happen.

Meanwhile the country is going to the dogs -the Disunited Kingdom indeed. The economy is going into recession, law and order is out of control, our very national identity is under siege from a wave of foreigners which will encourage extreme politics and we have spawned a disillusioned "ASBO" generation that is being sacrificed for the cause of European enlargement. Make no mistake-this generation is being wilfully destroyed every bit as surely and deliberately as the generation of 1914-19 who were cut-down by machine-guns on the fields of Flanders

The entire democratic process is under threat -politicians of all parties have been exposed as self-serving hypocrites. I would suggest that the country is now ripe for a right-wing military junta to seize power-maybe we could invite Musharraf or Taksin to lead us or perhaps we should auction to the highest bidder -the only problem is that we dont have any armed forces left -thanks to the current NuLab incompetents!

Be afraid people!
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24/02/2008 09:12:48
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Sparky,

Hamilton 24/02/2008 09:16:54
Michael Martin could replace Ft Jack and swap Order Order for "That would be an ecumenical matter"
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

24/02/2008 09:17:16
Michael Martin has been despised by the tories since he was appointed. They have done evrything to try to undermine him.

So I take this story with a large pinch of salt as it forms part of a relentless campaign to unseat Martin since the very beginning.

What should be investigated is WHY the Tories have tried relentlessly for years to have Martin removed from office. This is just the latest campaign they've come up with.

The spokesmen who resigned made it clear that Martin had not been the one to mislead him.
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beckypumps1,

Fife 24/02/2008 09:28:08
Its ok Michael Martin has the mad baron speaking up for him, I am sure that when all the facts are known no evidence of unintentional wrong doing will be found only shear gread. And this guy is on the committee looking into standards!!!!!!
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 24/02/2008 09:35:41
West of Scotland Labour = snout in trough. They'll never change.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 24/02/2008 09:36:44
Mick needs the help of the Electoral Commission - they'd clear his name !
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Queen D,

Glagsow 24/02/2008 09:37:25
Tweedmouth , I find your comment offensive.
I am so tired of this racist card being played, so sick of the unthinking idiocy.
If 'you hate the English ' is all you can come up with to try and flog the SNP , then I have to tell you, you are flogging a truly DEAD horse.
Back to Mr Speaker, who has already shown himself to be unfit for purpose by NOT taking his duties as speaker in the impartial manner demanded.
He has only shown his Labour colours, a charge NEVER levelled at Betty Boothroyd.
As for his financial arrangements they appear entirely suspect.
I suggest you all visit the Sunday Herald for the latest on Scottish sleaze.( not a squeek from Nichol The Nose Stephens on any of it!)
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McMillar,

Fife 24/02/2008 09:37:52
Amazing how they all lose sight of what it’s about….anyone can act it up when spending other people’s money. An embarrassment to us all and the sooner he goes the better. Now who’s next? This is just becoming a joke.
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Shiltrum,

Sack The Speaker 24/02/2008 09:59:59
...and as if things weren't bad enough for Gorbals Mick, who rides to his aid......one Drunken Foulkes esq........who's guaranteed to pick a losing cause...Labour, Hearts, and now Gorbals Mick.
I could ALMOST feel sorry for the speaker...with friends like that... etc etc
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/02/2008 10:02:37
What, or where, in the heck are "the Gorbals"?

That wife of his sounds like an unhinged spendaholic and shopaholic and also like a nouveau-riche b**ch.

Off with both their heads - after sending them to the tower to "languish" at The Queen's Britannic leisure.
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Shiltrum,

Identifying Bankers....(Well, I THINK they said "B 24/02/2008 10:06:08
#32 TWEEDMOUTH......(Oops.....sorry BIGMOUTH)

.......and you STARTED so well too!!
Listen pal........I'm a Independence seeker,but like most, have no truc whatever with ANY form of racism.......so get back into your border p1sshole and smoke whatever you like, and inject whatever you like.
I demand an enquiry as to how you managed to escape into the gene pool !!
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Steve,

24/02/2008 10:06:42
#32.Tweedmouth,
Labour are up to their necks in LIES, DECEIPT, CORRUPTION,& SLEAZE.

So what do you have to say on the matter, apart from a hateful dig at the SNP? If Scottish nationalism is so xenophobic, how come the SNP has both Asian and English MSPs? How come it produces literature in Polish!? Surely a xenophobic SNP would have supported Blair, when he indiscriminately murdered thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens?

You obviously went to the New Labour school of propaganda.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 10:23:05
As many posters have already said , another day ,another Labourite with their nose in the trough .
He like the rest will probably get exonerated , aka Harman , Alexander , Gordon .
This Westminster cesspit is reeking of sleaze corruption and is way past its sell by date.
It is time for this lot to go , however what will replace them?
The Tories are slightly more sophisticated and more prone to sexual impropriety than financial irregularity .
(They of course made their money from the masses a few generations ago musn't forget Conway though)
If the UK is to survive we need the press to help bring down this filthy corrupt Labour Party , and to ensure the next government of Cameron is squeaky clean at every turn .
However I think that both those scenarios are unlikely , so our only alternative is to have our own Independent Parliament with a written constitution and where the people are sovereign not some exclusive "Gentleman's Club" as in Westminster.

On the above , of course if he had a shred of decency he would resign but he is Labour so won't happen , so of course should Alexander ,Gordon , and they should take their case to the ultimate jury the people of their respective constituencies , oops sorry just so a pink elephant fly past my window........

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24/02/2008 10:26:36
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BOBO UMBONGONDO,

24/02/2008 10:38:25
In this democracy you always get the government, that the majority did not vote for, so why be surprised that you are being regally shafted.
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Not Toobrite,

24/02/2008 10:58:07
"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by idiots." Plato
See nothing changes.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 24/02/2008 10:58:21
32 Tweedmouth says:

"There you have the Natzionalist blinkers in full 'Whaes like us ' mode. The problem is that 20% of people who live in Scotland are not 'your countrymen'; your tribal obsession shows exactly why nationalism will never serve the majority of people in Scotland - many of whom are English, Irish, Welsh, Geordie, Pakisatani, Sikh, Hindu and Polish.
Nationalism can never be inclusive - it is by its very nature exclusive, racist and xenophobic. You simply hate English people - and all your denials are as transparent as Gorbal's Mick's excuses for his second home expenses and his £4k of taxi fares. It won't wash."

You've gone off topic quite badly here.

The English, the Poles, the Pakistanis, etc.. who have chosen to settle here, work hard and contribute to our economy, are very welcome. Many of my friends and colleagues were not born in Scotland but they are as valued as every other man, woman or child in our great nation. Many of them also vote SNP, because they value the Scottish traditions and see a better way of life in self governance which is much closer to and for the people of Scotland, than is delivered in the UK/Westminster set-up.

Your right-wing nationalist jibes are entirely misplaced, and the only thing you have done is to demean your own character.

Now let's get back on the topic of never-ending Labour sleaze.
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Maurice,

Fife 24/02/2008 10:59:17
politicians, also known as ropes. - things which are thick, course, hairy and twisted. You won't find a straight one amonst them
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Edward,

24/02/2008 11:03:27
#55
I saw that Baron Foulkes over the telephone interview by the BBC, supporting his best freind Michael Martin
Accusing everyone of picking on a good man.
Had to laugh as to why Labour put up the Baron for comment and support as it has become a joke when he does.
Talking minitures, I heard that the Baron is a regular on the BA flights as he get additional minatures of his favourite tipple - surely not true.....
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Gothic Rose,

24/02/2008 11:04:15
A housekeeper, is not, an official. [thats debatable!]
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Edward,

24/02/2008 11:10:25
This just isnt Labour day (or month) Reported elsewhere
(Sunday Herald actually)
Deputy presiding officer Labour MSP Trish Godman Has been involved in sleaze involving her son, who was linked to embezzling large amounts from Enron (your remember Enron surely).
http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2068685.0.0.php
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Alberto.,

24/02/2008 11:13:02
"MPs are powerless to get rid of a Speaker."

What sort of a statement is this from a Politician in an 'Alleged' Democracy like, seemingly -'Wot we as got?
- if any, when Politicians can act, and continue
acting,in what seems obviously to be a totally dishonest manner yet the system 'allegedly' has, so they say, no 'Official' way to get rid - almost akin to saying 'Yes' the man / woman is a crook - but it's OK we don't want to upset them!

Almost daily now we read of some Politician, mainly of the New Labour breed - but others as well,and their unlawful antics - yet all their colleagues - no matter the Party, all seem to find excuses for their behaviour, and back them up to the hilt - as though their 'illegal'activity is as 'of no matter', yet even
when it is proved that it really is, from the angle of the Law, even though it is a very rare occasion when this seems to happen, their penalty, if any, is usually slight and meaningless for the crime committed, - and are more often well rewarded for their behaviour!

When will all this seemingly legalised fraudulent activity,by 'Club'(or should that be 'Gang') members, cesase -if ever!

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/02/2008 11:17:00
66. Irrespective of the designation of the housekeeper, why is Mrs Martin, who is not an elected official or employee of parliament, claiming nearly £5000 in tax payer money for taxi trips rounds London? Can't she use public transport occassionally? Was she lugging industrial quantities of bog roll back to the palace or what?
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Rodster,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 11:19:32
~68 Alberto
hen this seems to happen, their penalty, if any, is usually slight and meaningless for the crime committed, -

not so Alberto Mr Conway had The Party Whip taken away from him , now he only gets his salary and benefits that is a tough punishment by anyones reckoning!!!
Wendy on the other hand was wrongly accused and falsely admitted her wrongdoing.
That Gail Sheridan on the other hand stole some minatures now that is a big crime worthy of the L&B Police investigating ...in the public interest of course!!!!!
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BobD,

Tranent 24/02/2008 11:21:24
The whole thing's sickening. People like Martin have neither pride nor shame and constantly confuse legality with honesty. They make their own rules, and evn then they don't stick to them.

A grace and favour residence surely qualifies as payment in kind, which I believe is taxable - or are MPs exempt from that as well?

Martin is particularly rotten in his attitude, claiming his Glasgow home as second residence to qualify for expenses. If it carries no mortgage and his wife lives with him in his free London home, why does he need any expenses at all?

And why is he allowed to charge the taxpayer to hire a lawyer on a libel charge?

Forget MPs on this - let the public, and in particular Martins constituents, demand his removal.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/02/2008 11:26:04
Gothic Rose

I have met and employed some housekeepers in my day who were VERY "officious".

You did NOT dare to cross them or they would reveal all your dirty linen and then demand a raise and then walk out without notice.

Tiresome.
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Why Are 400,000 Leaving The UK Each Year ?,

24/02/2008 11:28:00
Michael Martin and his wife will not be investigated.

After the 1990's Tory Sleeze Decade and then the 2000 Naughty Naught Sleeze Decade of Labour we will have the Sleeze Decade of the next lot.

Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss.

So what is the End Game of the total and utter mess all self serving politicians are making of once Great Britain?

Permanent decline.

Those who have the means, most through selling their UK house for lots of cash are already leaving the UK, and with so many good reasons to go.

Shame many of them are job creators or are self employed. Not many are on the dole. Not many are Asylum Seekers.

The End Game will come gently. Those who can remember what a mess Harold Wilson, Ted Heath and the Unions and their Fat Cat counterparts made of the UK in the 1960's and 1970's are going to have a harsh case of deja vu. With Gordon Gecko Browns unravelling of the smoke and mirror economy, the UK is destined for years of Basket Case economic and social disturbance.

Some have examined what the End Game for the UK is, and that my friends is why 400,000 people are leaving the UK each year.
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Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 24/02/2008 11:29:28
#56 Aye she could do with some company.How about Cherie,Wee Wendy and 'Arriet to be going on with?
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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose no Labour nonsense here 24/02/2008 11:30:39
This from the Times

Ex-ministers cash in on days of power

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3423486.ece

Twenty-eight former Labour ministers have cashed in on their connections in government and Whitehall by taking jobs in the private sector in the past two years.

It represents the biggest exodus of ministers into the private sector since Labour came to power and is worth at least £10m a year in salaries and fees.

Thirteen of those who have accepted jobs are still serving MPs - and at least a third have a potential conflict of interest because their companies lobby government or bid for contracts. Two former Labour defence ministers have accepted jobs from weapons companies.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3423486.ece

DONTCHA JUST LOVE THE LABOUR PARTY!! oh happy days.

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Tommy Atkins,

Here, there, they seek him everywhere 24/02/2008 11:36:39
New labour has just replaced the party anthem with:

'The working class can kiss my ar*e, I've got the foreman's job at last'
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Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 24/02/2008 11:48:22
#3 MSP for Springburn??How come?I thought the City "planners"had obliterated Springburn and all the constituents had,like myself,"emigrated."A recent visit confirmed it is now about the size of a village compared to it's previous status.Then again maybe the MSP is the village "idiot".
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Kenny A,

24/02/2008 11:48:31
63

Cannot see what you are responding to as it has been removed.

Anyway here my pennies worth barring Zimbabwean inflation.

Know a lot of nationalists who are not Scottish, but live in Scotland. English, Germans and Indians, also a couple of Canadians, Australians and of all things a Mouri.

Nationalisim and racisim are different things

Once upon a time in the Western Isles, the small Pakastani cvommunity (I kid you not) were proud of the fact they could speak Gaelic.

Many Islanders mainly from Stornoway refused to speak the language. Nationalisim has a place and rightly so. Wheather it is right for the majority is an open question. It is however not limited as to race or place of birth, which is refreshing.

What is not refressing is the scandle, sleeze, corruption going on with the people who are ment to lead us. How the hell can anyone run up £4k taxi bills and not even be in a position of authority where it could be potentialy justified.

I am sick to the core with Politicians and their beheviour, closly followed by Raceists, Insects and the Scottish Rugby team. While I do not like Insects at least they do their job well, co-operate and are successful in what they do. Unlike the others mentioned.

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Lennox11,

24/02/2008 12:09:20
This is only the tip of the iceberg!
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 24/02/2008 12:18:27
78 Kenny

The first part of 32 (Tweedmouth) condemned Labour sleaze. The second part is contained in my post (63) as a quote.

You're dead right with your post. Nationalism and Rascism become confused too often, and a common tactic of nationalist opponents is to confuse the two for their own publicity. Tweedmouth was way out of line and the Hootsman clearly thought so too.
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jj,

Peterborough 24/02/2008 12:23:01
In the armed services you lose your pension when you are foced out in disgrace. Speaker Martin however is on the brink of even more riches because of his multi million pound pension pot provided by the taxpayer.
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Angus McChatterer,

Aberdeen 24/02/2008 12:41:50
Yet another Labour MP with his nose in the trough. Is there anyone left in the Labour Party who isn't just out for themselves ?

Wheel on the dustbin of history please so we can dump this clapped-out, self-serving organisation where it belongs.
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Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 24/02/2008 12:41:54
Too much ill-informed comment and pre-judgement in this forum!
There is one and only one sensible course of action to be taken. Gorbals Mick must be given a fair trial followed by a custodial sentence for life.
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shivago8,

livingston 24/02/2008 12:48:20
Nothing new in this,the whole of the NEW LABOUR PARTY are at it
They should all be sacked and made to stand trial,they are not above the law,they like to think they are.
Do you wonder why half of the country do not vote any more,who the hell wants to add there name to a gang of hoodlums whose only daytime pursuit is to get there snout in the trough.
My name is now of the electorial role
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westview,

Remembering how I used to rake the Gorbals middens 24/02/2008 12:52:52
This lot give the Gorbals a bad name. The Gorbals ,now , is one of the best urban regeneration places you can live in. It has attractive art work built into the structures. It has a great mix of people ,old, young, skilled ,managerial,original natives, and colourful incomers. Collectivley they should sue westminster politicians for denigrating the place. As someone who had to endure the area as a lad, I am amazed at the magnificent transformation that has taken place, once they demolished and cleared out the old decrepit sleazy slums. They should do the same in Westminster.
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Allan(handofgod137),

24/02/2008 13:11:07
Same old labour, always stealing.
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Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 24/02/2008 13:17:16
#88 Well said and I suspect that naff "political commentator"Quentin Letts in the Mail who coined the nickname has never been near the Gorbals either.
Sue him as well!!
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TonyBLiar,

At the trough 24/02/2008 13:23:01
Hope Gorbals Mick has found an old pair of Betty Boothroyd's tights to wear over his heid while he blags the public purse!

Just watched Foulkes on the Politics Show and perhaps he can now safely be declared the National Idiot.
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/02/2008 13:23:16
69
Hmm...do you get House of Commons bog roll?

The headed A4 stuff is a bit sharp an un-absorbent.
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Tris,

24/02/2008 13:38:04
What amazes me is that they are all paid vast amounts in real, genuine salary. Around three times what the average wage in Scotland is. Then on top of it they feel obliged to cheat and steal.

In this case, Martin gets paid around £60,000 and his son around £50,000, expenses excluded. Why the hell could they not afford to just pay the air fare? If they all had to live on the minimum wage it would be different, but how greedy can you get?

As for wives getting taxis on expences. Must ask my boss about that. I didn't know wives could charge for their travel expences. What about sons, daughters, aunts, cousins, dogs, etc?

Labour certainly don't have a monopoly on this though. The Tories are right up there, Conman and Winterton to name but two in the last few weeks.

One of the problems is the traditional "respect" in which these people are held. The Speaker can't be sacked.... Why not? What nonesence, he's employed to do a job. Of course he can be sacked. Sack him.

I heard a radio interview this morning with the ex chairman of the committee on public standards, who said it wasn't for him to tell the Speaker what to do. Why not? I'll happily tell the Speaker what to do. No problem. Resign Mick, you've let us all down. Go, and don't come back.

Westminster needs to be looked at and brought up to date. The very fact that it is a royal palace and therefore outwith the normal law of the land is a joke for a start. But who can we put in charge of the review? Not the Speaker it would seem.

How I'd love the job.
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Home Rule for Pertyck,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 13:48:00
#7AJ Fife,24/02/2008 00:38:02 writes,

"The Labour disease strikes again!

They canny help themselves, can they?"

WRONG. They CAN help themselves-and DO. That's the problem.
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Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 24/02/2008 13:48:00
I doubt, he is doing anything that others are not! Tories out for revenge for Conway?

Since this leak no doubt came from the cabal of posh (mainly English - Quentin Letts seems to be their funnel to the press) MPs who have been out to get the Speaker since he was appointed. In the interests of clarity, they should be identified and publish their own expenses.

That said, the enquiry team he appointed into MPs expenses lacks credibility. I am unsure, however, that many in the Press or senior ranks of business, who have mocked them, behave any differnetly in the businesses they run.



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karinxx,

24/02/2008 13:48:17
Does anyone know that in times long past the gorbals used to be where lepers lived. They had bells round their necks hence the name gory gore bells. gorbals.
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Lady Muck,

the drawing room 24/02/2008 14:00:23
He is not Gorbals Mick he is the MP for Springburn. Him and his son preside over constituences which are controlled by gangsters. It is quite ridiculous to compare the way he is being treated with the way Lothian and Borders Police are treating Gail Sheridan. Who hasn't taken stuff from work ? If you can jump up and say not I not I then you must be the bloody Winslow boy.
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sceptic,

24/02/2008 14:00:28
Martin has just had the kiss of death, George Foulkes has been on telly trying to justify his sleaze.
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Kenny A,

24/02/2008 14:01:39
81 Andrew

Thanks for the post.

Racisim has no place in Nationalisim, or any other place for that fact. Sadly is is part of life in many places and is not confined to any particular race or country.

My wife who is oriental has not suffered it when we were in Scotland but was on the recieving end in her own native country many times.

She is also a Christian from a country where they are a stunningly samll minority. It seems that intolerence of various things goes hand in hand, and that those who are of this ilk are also the most corrupt.

While I will not level this charge against anyone specific who has been involved in the permanent sleeze that infects UK politics it would not surprise me in the least were they guilty of this.

As you said many use the tactic of racisim to discredit Nationalisim and relegion also. An example fairly close to home is the IRA, (not PIRA), a fair number came from both sides of the religious divide.

Seems that they had the correct idea in the end, Eire is a seriously sucessful little land now. Do not condone how they went about it but thats how it happened.

NI, Paisly junior springs to mind. Sad stuff the world we live in.
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happy english,

London 24/02/2008 14:22:40
#100 So you think Ireland is a serious sucessful country, they should be after all the subsidies they are given by the European Parliament totally unjust, do tell me what have they been successful in oh yes growing potatoes or was it shielding the murdering IRA after they had killed our British troops. Yeah it sure is a country to be proud.
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Steve,

Bo'ness 24/02/2008 14:32:41
101, Ireland's economy is booming, and set to overtake that of the UK if it hasn't already. They are a proud, democratic and prosperous country. But don't let that get in the way of your obvious prejudice.