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Published Date: 13 January 2008
SCOTLAND'S 250,000 local authority staff are in line for above-inflation pay rises in a deal which could shatter Gordon Brown's demand to limit public sector pay.
Council bosses who are currently negotiating the pay deals say they will not be bound by "edicts" from Westminster, and say instead they will base it on what councils can afford.

Their comments suggest unions will be successful in securing a deal
in excess of the 2.1% limit which the Prime Minister has attempted to impose across the public sector.

Any above-inflation deal for Scotland would lead to huge pressure on Brown to ensure a similar increase for English and Welsh council staff, and would puncture his plans to limit big rises elsewhere.

Formal talks between the unions and Scottish councils will begin at Cosla's Edinburgh headquarters later this month, with a final decision expected before last year's 2.5% pay deal expires on March 31.

The deal covers virtually all local authority staff, including bureaucrats, refuse collectors, street cleaners, leisure, library and care workers. Chief executives and craftsmen such as plumbers and joiners have separate pay deals.

Joe Di Paola, who is leading the talks with unions for the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, said: "We will take a decision based on what councils can afford, what we have done for other groups of staff like teachers and the police, and stability in terms of making sure that services are delivered by a well-motivated workforce."

He added: "Although we would not want to fuel pay inflation, we're not going to do anything silly. Inflation is not the determining factor.

"No edict from either the UK or Scottish Governments can tell local authorities what they can or cannot pay. It's for our elected members to take a view on what is fair and affordable."

Douglas Black of Unison, who leads the unions' pay negotiations, said: "We are aware of the hurdles waiting for us but we are also well aware of the rough parameters within which Cosla is operating and what they can afford to offer.

"Our biggest concern is our low-paid workers. Any settlement must address their needs. If Cosla came back with an offer that's the same as the Government's pay policy of 1.9%, I don't think it would be going too far to say that our members would reject that.

"Gordon Brown can say what he likes, he doesn't work in a local authority."

Scottish councils this year received a real-terms increase of 2.5%, which puts an above-inflation pay settlement within budget.

The deal will ratchet up the pressure on the Prime Minister, who is fighting to maintain the Government's reputation for economic prudence.

Brown's insistence on a below-inflation pay ceiling among public sector workers has already been ignored by pay bodies in Scotland. Scottish teachers will see their salaries increase by more than 7% over the next three years, while police in Scotland received a 2.5% pay award in full, leading their counterparts in England and Wales to protest over a staggered increase that reduces the value to 1.9%.

Experts say private sector pay increases have a greater effect on inflation than public sector ones. But Brown's insistence on pay rises below the consumer price index inflation of 2.1% also reflects a desire to demonstrate control over the economy and the unions.

An above-inflation deal on Scottish council pay will make it more difficult for local authorities in England and Wales to contain the pay of their 1.6 million town hall staff. With a 1% real-terms increase in English council budgets, the employers have said they will take a "firm line" with the unions, who are calling for increases of up to 7%.

The TUC is hosting a meeting tomorrow where union leaders will discuss Brown's call last week for three-year public sector pay deals to replace existing one-year deals. The unions have given the scheme a cautious response, fearing pay restraint.

A report on MPs' pay, which is expected to recommend a 2.8% increase, will be published on Wednesday.

MPs from all parties have threatened to defy Brown's call for a 1.9% increase when they vote on their own salaries on January 24.



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  • Last Updated: 12 January 2008 7:33 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Labour Party
 
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13/01/2008 00:31:17
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/01/2008 01:23:27
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That is a rant AM2.

I expect better.2/10
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druidh,

edinburgh 13/01/2008 01:40:23
I think AM2 has it about right. To complain about tight budgets impacting services and then to increase wages beyond inflation is simply nonsense.
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13/01/2008 01:42:07
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13/01/2008 06:24:22
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Mirrorman,

13/01/2008 07:57:53
Shouldn't the focus be on the fact that there are 250,000...repeat 250,000 local authority staff in Scotland? Now there's a great basis for a thriving, entrepreneurial economy.More social workers less business start ups that's the job!!

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Anne,

Eaglesham 13/01/2008 08:32:23
Much more likely that Scottish Labour-run councils are trying to pull a fast one on the SNP administration in Holyrood by circumventing their plans for a freeze on council tax.
Politically, they will see it as a no-lose situation. If the pay rise goes through, it's thanks to Labour. If it doesn't, it'll be the fault of those nasty SNP policies.
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glassbenmhor,

13/01/2008 09:52:37
You see the trouble for you AM2 is that nobody is really listening or at least that carefully anyway,so there is a 'spat' over wage increases well let me tell you that as we both well know that bunch of Local Government Scum under the Labour banner will swing and float in the breeze to whatever direction their bread is buttered best and the way the wind is blowing,etc.,etc.aye I'm sure you know.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 13/01/2008 11:01:06
the scottish councils are quite right to ignore gordon brown over wage rises,the increase in gas and electricity recently reported, showed of things to come.
his three year deal is in fact a decrease in the value of everyone's income,each of the three years.
brown was never very good at arithmatic,it would be easy to imagine him having to take his shoes and stockings of to count up to ten.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 13/01/2008 11:07:35
The wage increase should be negotiated taking into account RPI (not CPI) and what is affordable. The company I work for has just awarded a 5% increase which is generous, but no way were we going to get away with anything less than 4.2% (RPI). It strikes me that Brown is on a hiding to nothing pushing for 1.9% caps.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 13/01/2008 11:12:34
#4, Druidh.

A 2.5% increase would not be a higher than (real) inflation increase, nor even would it be above the increase being allocated to LAs.

With regard to the "exponentially powered Dervish", again he takes the floor and leaves a trail of incomprehenibility. Can anyone, other than the Dervish, make any sense of his #9?

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 13/01/2008 11:16:26
With Joe DiPoalo comming round, it is very obvious that NuLab has serious internal problems.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 13/01/2008 11:22:58
Jenny Percival, it all depends on how you define "inflation".
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mr angry,

ayrshire 13/01/2008 12:13:50
The councils can pay what they reckon they can afford , and if they run out of money then some people get sacked , thats the choice they have to make and workers need to realise , that getting a bigger pay rise may mean some people lose their jobs. Or they cut services and get booted out at next election. Thats democracy.
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Paddi,

13/01/2008 12:17:20
and who will have to pay for this council largesse to their inefficient, bloated workforce??
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

13/01/2008 13:25:32
9. AM2

or perhaps councils are merely trying to pay key front line staff a decent wage for their work.

Is Wendy/ Labour now bleating constantly about risks to vulnerable two year olds and battered women, but saying that the skilled staff that provide these crucial services should receive nil pay increases in real terms as the pawns to help New Labour's poor economic management? For shame.
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Gothic Rose,

13/01/2008 14:07:04
Street Cleaners. Pray tell me what and where are they?
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Highland Mighty,

13/01/2008 14:15:41
18. Yep, 15 years of steady growth with the lowest unemployment levels in Scotland since 1974 and a public spending budget double that of just 8 years ago.

Terrible economic management. Just terrible.

Totally unlike you SNP types to not let reality get in the way of a good whinge!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

13/01/2008 15:43:41
20 Highland

I am talking about now - Northern Rock, the UK borrrowing £11.5bn in November 92 alone with a projected £60 billion deficit. New Labour told us that a deficit 3.5 lower per head in Scotland would be crippling - were they lying?

As to my point, Wendy today went about vulberable 2 year olds and battered women in relation to council spending ring-fencing - - does she then think that staff who provide services to these groups should get a nil pay rise because Gordon has so ordered? Seems an odd double standard?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

13/01/2008 15:44:01
22 November 2007
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Sanny,

Glasgow 13/01/2008 15:47:58
AM2 has confirmed that he doesn’t understand the concept of democracy. Of course as a died-in-the-wool Unionist I suppose that is to be expected.

AM2 this Scottish government has removed the constraints of ‘ring fencing’ from the councils in order that they can perform the job for which they were democratically elected. Should they fail to use their funds correctly it is their constituents that will suffer and therefore take the appropriate action at the next Local Election.

It is for the Electorate to become more aware of the decisions made in their name together with who is supporting these decisions. A more aware electorate will provide for a more responsive and efficient council. I expect that to Unionists such as AM2 this is the ultimate political nightmare.
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Media 1,

cape town 13/01/2008 16:56:46
And here we were thinking that Scottish politicians were noble! hahahahahaha
No public servant should earn more than 40 000 per annum, that should be the most you can earn! After all, when you chose to become a public servant, you need to draw a servants salary!
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Reckless,

Fife 13/01/2008 17:52:42
It's a shame that you streched yourself a little too far with that mortgage.

You lot voted for NuLabour and the SNP, so you'd better make sure you've enough put away to pay the increasing council tax bills that these socialist demand.

Maybe you should think about voting UKIP in 2009.

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morris,

edinburgh 13/01/2008 19:12:07
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Anne

I follow your thinking but if UNISON/formerly Nalgo members cannot notice that their pay rose ahead of their colleagues in England, and its NO THANKS to Gordon Broons government and NU LABOUR , then there must be some really thick LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICERS joined since I was one, and also a Nalgo then Unison shop steward in a non local government service. Even their own paper PUBLIC SERVICE (if it still exists) must report this down south and therefore nationally surely!

We were on the wrong end of weighting allowances paid firstly in Inner London,then Outer London,then ROSELAND (Rest of South East)for donkeys years,because of supposedly higher house prices, but Cardiff, Edinburgh and Aberdeen have prices which are easily comparable,but they can only negotiate an annual increase for the choSEn few,and the rest of you dont even get a negotiation ,to establish a payment!.What it means is that (eg) a national pay settlement of 2% salaries ,coupled to a 3% increase in weighting allowances means South East England gets a bigger rise than you do, and they already have a bigger salary thanks to the weighting allowance existing at all!UNISON has a two class membership !

They have NO GROUNDS for complaint down south, BUT REST ASSURED COMPLAIN THEY WILL !
How about a level playing field UNISON with a nationally adjusted weighting element?The reason it cannot happen is because it uses up money which is earmarked for the South East!
UNISON is as anti Scottish as Nu Labour is, but then its the same people running it! The Livingston MP Jim Devine is a former UNISON full time employee, and now represents LIVINGSTON in Westminster,when he never agreed with a single thing Nu Labour did whilst employed by UNISON members. Hypocrisy ? Its not that good!

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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 15/01/2008 06:57:38
Gentlemen Lets please get rid of the VERMIN It's Time for Honesty SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE!!!

 

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