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Salmond pension perk faces axe



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Published Date: 20 January 2008
HENRY McLeish and Jack McConnell will be laughing all the way to the bank. MSPs are set to axe one of the biggest perks of leaving Bute House: the £38,000-a-year pension enjoyed by former First Ministers from the moment they leave office.
But McConnell and McLeish will continue to receive the money. The review of MSP pensions would apply to Alex Salmond and future First Ministers, who would get the cash only when they reached 65.

The instant pension arrangement – which is also given to former Presiding Officers of the parliament – came in for bitter criticism after McLeish was able to claim the cash, even though he had served for just 12 months and resigned following the Officegate scandal.

Presiding Officers earn £38,453 a year on top of their MSP salary, and the bumper pension deal is currently costing the public purse more than £116,000-a-year. Along with McLeish and McConnell, there are two former Presiding Officers, Sir David Steel and George Reid, who both get £19,948. None of them has to make any contributions to the pension while in office.

The generous pay and pension deals offered to politicians will come back under the spotlight this week when MPs at Westminster vote on their own pay deal.

Gordon Brown has urged MPs to stick to a below-inflation, 1.8% deal. In a bid to show he is leading from the front, he announced last week that he would give up his own pension rights which, as with former First Ministers, entitle him to claim half his salary the moment he leaves the job.

Instead, he will now only claim the cash when he reaches retirement age.

A spokesman for Salmond said last week that the First Minister "hasn't given any consideration" to following suit.

However, the review of MSPs' pensions may now take the matter out of his own hands.

A consultation document issued by the Scottish Parliament suggests that there be "a minimum qualifying period" before the First Minister and Presiding Officer should be entitled to their pension.

It also suggests that there could be a "linkage to length of service in post". This move is to prevent the theoretical situation where a First Minister could serve for just a day, and immediately get £38,000-a-year for the rest of his life.

A source involved in the review said that MSPs would consider stopping all payments until a former First Minister had reached retirement age.

"Imagine if you got a new First Minister ever four years. You could end up with a whole slew of people getting their full pension even though none of them were retired. If Alex Salmond was deposed right now, he would walk away with a full pension. We will need to look at that," said one insider.

One system being considered is the scheme at the Welsh Assembly where the First Minister simply gets an enhanced pension based on the length of their service.

The review of MSPs' pensions could also provide a cash boost for MSPs. The review will consider whether to change the final salary pension scheme from one which provides a fiftieth of salary for every year served to one fortieth.

However, MSPs insist that if the changes are made, they will be "cash neutral" to the public purse.

There may also be changes to rules which currently allow MSPs over the age of 65 to claim their salary and their pensions at the same time.

"You could have MSPs getting £8,000 from a pension as well as £53,000 salary. Clearly that isn't fair on the public purse," said one source.

The review findings will be published soon and put before MSPs this summer for a full vote.

While Salmond has not yet decided to give up his pension deal, like Brown, his officials pointed to the fact that he was already donating his Holyrood MSP's salary to assist charities in North East Scotland.

Salmond is still an MP and therefore receives a Westminster salary of £60,675 in addition to his £76,906 pay as First Minister. He also gets a third of his MSP's salary, worth £18,000, which is being handed out to local causes.

The full article contains 715 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 20 January 2008 1:24 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Politicians' pay
 
1

democrate,

central Scotland 20/01/2008 01:23:02
make the changes retrospective.....
2

druidh,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 01:38:00
What a bizarre headline. Should it not read "former First Ministers in 'instant pension' scandal"???
3

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20/01/2008 01:49:13
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4

Conan the Librarian™,

20/01/2008 01:49:33
5
Very perceptive Gordon.
How do you do it?;-)
5

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20/01/2008 01:50:43
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6

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 20/01/2008 01:58:59
If it's being phased out it's hardly Alex Salmond's pension perk, is it? What does Eddie Barnes get paid to write this sh@t?
7

Andrew D,

20/01/2008 03:33:06
That headline, the totally unsubtle attempt to make it look like some perk that Salmond has picked for himself is just absolutely despicable hack journalism.

Pull your bloody head in Barnes!
8

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 20/01/2008 05:44:38
This headline is so misleading that I would like to report the whole article as unsuitable!!!!!
9

Pete40,

Tassy 20/01/2008 06:21:06
Alex Salmond is the best thing that happened to Scotland for generations. The fact that Henry McLeish and Jack McConnell are drawing 38,000 quid a year are maybe a sign to the less enlightened Scots. You keep making mistakes in electing your representatives, it is going to cost you.
10

morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 06:53:29
I can see why the SNP would wish to remove this pension,but I cannot see why McLeish or McConnell should continue to receive this,since I cannot see how one can justify a different rule for a different person.Let them keep what has already been paid is generous enough in my opinion.It would probably be impossible to reclaim the money,but rest assured if it were government reclaiming from a pensioner the mechanism would not only exist very quickly,but would be backdated without argument.

Its time that we sorted the whole gravy train out starting with jailing a few of them .
11

morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 07:06:08
4

The only problem being that we dont blame the English Gordon,but I am curious as to whose fault you are!
12

donald,

glasgow 20/01/2008 07:36:15
Pull up the Ladder, Jack's aboard
13

donald,

glasgow 20/01/2008 07:39:04
How much pension will Mrs McConnell get for ruining Glesga's Museums?
14

Colkitto,

River Clyde 20/01/2008 07:40:28
"Salmond pension perk faces axe" A headline designed to besmirch Salmond. A desperate attempt at a headline because you can't "get" Salmond on anything. Is this what SoS journo's have been reduced to ? Making headlines to suit your political agenda ?
Why don't you do some proper journo's work and find out what's keeping the police and the electoral commission so long to tell us what's happening to Wendy after she admitted to breaking the Law ?
15

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 07:50:23
Certainly got the snp drones in 'High dudgeon' very 'High dudgeon'..Here is a tissue

http://www.kaleidoscope-supplies.co.uk/images/ts-010.gif


wipe your crying eye's
16

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 08:26:25
Anyway he will only spend the money on his one and only true love.........................


and here she is

http://www.bestloved.com/res/images/attractions/attraction/276_full.jpg
17

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 20/01/2008 08:49:01
Why do old first ministers require higher maintenance than the pernsioners who voted for them?
18

Erse,

Middle East 20/01/2008 08:57:44
"Henry McLeish and Jack McConnell will be laughing all the way the bank"

NuLabour in a nutshell!
19

Erse,

Middle East 20/01/2008 09:00:28
#13 - You're not the only one!
20

Phil C,

20/01/2008 09:07:28
More Labour squealing as they roll around in their stinking cesspit of corruption and greed. Is Wendy still free?
21

Alberto.,

20/01/2008 09:25:34
Great Balls of Fire!!

Is Common Sense and Fairness creeping into our political sysytem at last - and hopefully, dispersing speedily the rot and greed that exists there?

As I have said before, the British Public are being taken for a 'financial ride' by the biggest Political 'Con' game ever, whereby the Politicos have seen to it that their bread and butter (Champagne and caviar as well, not forgetting their Bank accounts!) along with feathering their already extremely comfortable life style, are available - seemingly with a very arrogant attitude of 'stuff you lot, we're OK' and are now playing at 'being fair!' in their tiny little minds!

Cannot help thinking 'Votes - or lack of, 'lies somewhere in the midst of it all' or could that be a somewaht wild thought - except perhaps for the 'Lies!'

It sounds all well and good that Brown stands up and says 'I'll forego my Pension until I reach 65 - but why not, most of the rest of us have to - and we don't have a say in the matter! Anyway, on the kind of salary he is paid (not forgetting perks that go with such retirements (example Blair!) it cannot be too hard a task to cope with - except for the serious loss of the personal 'greed' aspect!


22

Unimpressed one,

20/01/2008 09:50:13
These proposals will put off many from entering Scottish politics. Some chance!
23

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

Henry McLeish and Jack 20/01/2008 10:01:45
Henry was discredited for theft against the taxpayer, which I would have thought would have been a more appropriate theme for this article:

'Labour chief thief still prospers'

McConnell was clearly incompetent but 38k a year in Malawi will go very far indeed.

Its depressing that the the bias at the Scotsman continues to mirror that of a failing newspaper.
24

govanite,

glasgow 20/01/2008 10:12:22
Salmond's not retiring any time soon anyway.
25

Jimmy the Pie,

20/01/2008 10:37:38
#23 Phil
Yes, Wendy is still free and after her stunning performance at FMQ on Thursday, long may she remain free and leading New Labour's finest. Looks like she won't get much from the trough!
26

Guga II,

Rockall 20/01/2008 11:09:41
More hack journalism from Eddie Barnes. Who's paying your wages Eddie, the Hootsmon or the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch)?

Or is this just more political bias from the Hootsmon, trying to besmirch wee Eck by implying that he is somehow at fault because of the actions of McLeish and wee Joke McConnell?
27

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 20/01/2008 11:20:13
Eddie. Your writing is a joke, this for instance:

"This move is to prevent the theoretical situation where a First Minister could serve for just a day, and immediately get £38,000-a-year for the rest of his life."

and this (complete with typo and grammatical errors):

"Imagine if you got a new First Minister ever four years. You could end up with a whole slew of people getting their full pension even though none of them were retired. If Alex Salmond was deposed right now, he would walk away with a full pension. We will need to look at that," said one insider."

The use of the words "slew" and "deposed" is particularly silly. Admit it Eddie, you invented that "quote" yourself.
28

Isonomia,

Lenzie 20/01/2008 11:21:33
I think most people if they really sat down and thought about it, wouldn't want as first ministers the kind of people who would be content to make up their pay packet by getting odd jobs at tesco until they retire. So there may be good reason to pay money to ex-first-ministers.

BUT WHAT MOST PEOPLE FIND DISGUSTING IS THE WAY THE POLITICIANS SEEM TO THINK THEY CAN IGNORE THE PUBLIC'S VIEW ON ISSUES LIKE GOING TO WAR WITH IRAQ, THEN SET THEIR OWN PAY OWN CONDITIONS AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY PUT THE COUNTRY INTO ECONOMIC OR POLITICAL MELTDOWN - RECEIVE HUGE SUMS WITHOUT ANY OVERSIGHT FROM THE PUBLIC.

So, in futre, why can't we have a panel of ordinary voters look at the funding and rules of MPs and MSPs and set them so that the politicians really see the pubic as their paymaster rather than their servants!
29

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 20/01/2008 11:24:05
"A source involved in the review said that MSPs would consider stopping all payments until a former First Minister had reached retirement age."

That at least seems equitable. By what right should McConnell and McLeish be claiming a pension before age 65, when both are already well renumerated for other jobs/gravy trains?

McConnell stands to accumulate £692,000 before he is due to retire in 18 years time. McLeish will have garnered £456,000 by the time he is of pensionable age.

How many two year olds could get a nursery place with £1,114,800?
30

jkr,

Lochwinnoch 20/01/2008 11:41:21
What a gravy train!! With councillors, MSPs, MPs, MEPs all being paid for by the taxpayers its time to reduce
the number of elected representatives we have at every level.There are far too many at the present time.
31

glassbenmhor,

20/01/2008 11:43:51
Hey come on what about Nicol?
Isn't Nicol entitled to Something too?
Nicol was there for a long time?
He's only a young lad?
Wanes to feed as well?
Come on its not fair for Nicol?
Nicol's a good guy?
32

morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 11:54:12
24

You said that "The title suggests that MSPs are conspiring to deny the pension to Alex Salmond, but will reinstate it if there is another Labour First Minister."
Normally one should expect to ridicule a comment like that,but I dont think anyone will,because the level of filth that has become the Nu Labour Party suggests that this is well possible!Well said (unfortunately)

Its disgusting that we should even stop to think it possible!

28 What that has to do with anything is beyond my comprehension,and is no more relevant than when you or I retire.If Salmond were 65 or still a twinkle in his fathers eye it would make no difference whatsoever!
33

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 20/01/2008 11:55:10
#33 I do apologise, I misread my calculator, the actual sum that Henry McLeish and Jack McConnell will take from the mouths of vulnerable two year old, before they reach pensionable age is actually £1,148,000 that is one million one hundred and forty eight thousand pounds.
34

Rony,

20/01/2008 12:02:20
Stop pissing about and just write the headline "WE HATE SALMOND"
The standard of reporting on political matters in this newspaper is a JOKE
35

morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 12:04:11
34

You have hit on a serious flaw in our system here. If you are caught with your hand in the sweetie jar, or just plain thick as mince, and consequently asked to "consider your position" and offer your resignation as an act of an honourable member, (or as some people would refer to the procedure" SLING YER HOOK MATE")you are rewarded for it!
Can I be first minister please ? I promise to screw it up royally within the first minute!Please!I will even shout next please to show there are no hard feelings. No wonder they all want to be leader!

Are the Labour party sponsored by BISTO by any chance ?
36

Gina Gibson,

Wales 20/01/2008 12:05:53
How heartwarming to see the Hootsmon celebrating the fact that two of the sleaziest politicians ever to disgrace the Scottish parliament are benefiting financialy from their disgrace.

I am surprised that the writer of this article hasn't finished it with "Naa-naa-na-naa-naa!"
37

subrosa,

20/01/2008 12:09:02
# 24 # 40

I don't think either of you are very short of the mark with your comments. As for the headline - Mr Barnes I am so disappointed that you bring your political leanings so much to the fore. What causes this? Are you so unprofessional that you are unable to think of a headline without including the name Salmond detrimentally? I think not but let me help you. What about "FIrst Minister Pension Perk faces Axe'? It's simple you see.
38

morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 12:32:53
45

I think your comment is putting it in a nutshell!

"First Minister Pension Perk faces Axe'

Of course that is what the headline should be. Thats what the story is about.

To single out Salmond when he is the one who is proposing STOPPING this nonsense is so politically biased he is bringing journalism into even more disprepute than this paper usually does.

Its almost the reverse of the truth.

HAS THIS PAPER NO SHAME ?

39

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 12:38:25
46 Spot on. As McLeish and McConnell are the only people getting the pension, should it not read "McConnell/ McLeish" pension perk facing axe? Very weird choice of headline.
40

morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 12:46:00
3

I just realised that your headline is of course just as relevant as that shown at 45.

My appology is in order here.You are both spot on!

The question posed at no 20, and the comment at no 30, I should also acknowledge, since they both hit home rather tellingly.

The Hootsmon should employ some of you on here! You would make a better job of it than a few which they do consider fit to employ!
41

Conan the Librarian™,

20/01/2008 12:47:29
47
Ayrshire
Tom Brown is online on the opinion threads,will be fun!
42

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 12:49:15
#47 Ayrshire Scot™

"McConnell/ McLeish are not going to lose their pension perk so that headline would be misleading.

#45

Get a life morris..the only person i ever met who was more boring than you was John Biffen MP you do come a close second though..If it bothers you so much don't read the Scotsman
43

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 12:49:15
#47 Ayrshire Scot™

"McConnell/ McLeish are not going to lose their pension perk so that headline would be misleading.

#45

Get a life morris..the only person i ever met who was more boring than you was John Biffen MP you do come a close second though..If it bothers you so much don't read the Scotsman
44

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 12:59:16
49 Where?
45

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 13:00:05
50. So Salmond will not even have the perk, and does not have it at present.....and McConnell and McLeish do. Makes the headline very odd
46

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 13:00:40
51 Did Biffen repeat himself twice as well?
47

morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 13:03:26
47

Exactly Ayrshire,
It would still mention them by name,but at least any accusation of "bias" could only be one which is based upon fact,(most people call that the truth)since they are the ONLY recipients,as you rightly point out,whereas Salmond will never receive this until 65 as a direct result of his own intervention! That proves you are correct in my eyes!There is no debate on that !

It also proves what a disgusting press we have in Scotland ,and one of the first things we must do is clear out the dross!
We want a free press ! If you cannot print the truth then at least print both sides of the story.

Thats not what this paper is about.It seeks to enslave the Scottish people by controlling their minds and is no less a tool of occupation than any other could be. After independence these people must be held to account for their actions.
48

Conan the Librarian™,

20/01/2008 13:04:37
52
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/opinion/Tom-Brown-The-man39s-a.3691486.jp

Too late now,only on for an hour.
49

morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 13:07:15
50

You think the current headline is not misleading !You must be joking !

I always take any accusation of being boring as a compliment.It usually means they dont have anything else to fire at you .
50

 Ayrshire Scot™,

20/01/2008 13:09:21
56 Read it. Load of old clothes and porrigde. Am2 bleating on about silly posts - he hasn't commentd on the "I absolutely hate the Scots" posts on the Federal thread nor has he commented on Labour's most senior special adviser calling Scotland "narrow, presbyterian and racist". One might think he is just a selective, posturing popinjay with a narrow political agenda.
51

Conan the Librarian™,

20/01/2008 13:15:36
Dog walking time.Back later.
52

pwd,

Hawick 20/01/2008 13:19:46
Just as expected: devolution is more and more proving to be an expensive mediocrity; poor service by third rate people at a cost beyond the control of the people of Scotland.
53

Richardinho,

20/01/2008 13:35:22
I wouldn't imagine the first minister is too worried about this. It does yet again show a worryingly vindictive streak among the unionist parties that they would spend time pursuing this vendetta rather than more pressing issues.
54

morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 13:39:39
60

Its not the answer. On that we would agree.

Of course it was never intended to prvide good governance for Scotland,but was in design,a means of stopping or at least delaying the SNP. It has failed abysmally and the slippery slope does indeed exist after all.

A return to Westminster is out of the question.Even the Tory party would never dare suggest it.

The probability is that devolution mk II will fare no better,but be welcomed (for a short while)as a step in the right direction according to public opinion, only to return here again.

This leaves a choice between a "Federalist Union" and no Union.
The level of support for a federalist solution is almost zero,and will only increase as the last resort of the Unionists.Its effectively acknowledging defeat. By that time Scotland will already have left,and its only the detail which remains to be sorted out.
There are those on here who would disgaree with me,but thats because they do not like whats probably going to happen,not because they do not believe it will happen !
55

Riley Hamish,

Edina 20/01/2008 14:55:11

FFS........how much longer must we put up with the inane (and often incorrect) ramblings of Eddie the Eejit on this rag?????????.
He's WAY beyond a joke......get rid of him NOW !!
56

Alec M,

Falkirk 20/01/2008 15:50:06
Conan #56 - I got as far as the first paragraph - couldn't stomach ant more.
What has Lord Foolkes got to say on the matter? He was at the Lords at least one day last week
57

Statsman,

Edinburgh 20/01/2008 16:01:49
A crap OTT biased article from an increasingly crap newspaper group.

Any chance the news could be written from a Scottish perspective - instead of one trying to drill the worthiness of the Unionism into our heads constantly?
58

ddmc,

20/01/2008 16:13:09
are MSP's pensions contributory ?

to get a £38k pension you would have to have paid in a lot of cash.
59

walter,

20/01/2008 16:23:49
The headline is not in the least bit misleading, Salmond is the FM and the pension system (perk) allowing the FM to collect a pension on leaving office may be scrapped.
The two previous FM's have already left office under the system (perk) that is in place.
Salmond who is the serving FM will not receive his pension under this scheme if it is scrapped so the headline of Salmond pension perk faces axe is not in the least bit misleading as it is going to affect him.
It will not affect previous FM's as they left office under this scheme, It will not affect future FM's as they will take office under a new scheme so it only affects Salmond who has taken office under this scheme but will not leave office under it.
But of coarse it would not be the same if we did not have the feigned indignation from the groupthink like we do after every article.
60

gus1940,

Edinburgh 20/01/2008 17:29:53
Will the proposals apply to all MSP's and mean that those who are defeated or stand down will have to wait until they are 65 to collect their pension?

Will it be 65 for men and 60 for women?
61

subrosa,

20/01/2008 17:40:56
# 50

My post was # 45 and I'm not morris. You appear to have gone to the same school as Mr Barnes. Sad they didn't teach both of you to check your facts twice then perhaps such duplicity wouldn't arise :)
62

subrosa,

20/01/2008 17:48:20
# 69

Oh really? I'll have to brush up on my 'reading between lines' skills. Mind you they're not needed in this paper because the journalism is so blatantly unionist. It's a sad reflection on the Scottish media that they continue to refuse to produce balanced reporting.
63

Richardinho,

20/01/2008 18:02:22
Does this not indicate a subconscious awareness amongst the Labour party that one of them isn't likely to be the first minister soon?
64

thomas,

midlothian 20/01/2008 18:05:23
all this and our tony bliar is now cashing in on support for george w. bush and his war that cannot be won.all the promises made to blair, as he kissed ass in the white house are being paid in U.S. dollars. much like a pension for the liars that were in the first ministers office and did nothng for scotland.
65

whitegold,

Shire 20/01/2008 18:07:13
It seems like the political class are riding something of a gravy train.
66

Conan the Librarian™,

20/01/2008 18:11:14
66
Sorry,been oot.
See the monkey;
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/opinion/Time-to-use-the-Fword.3691504.jp
67

morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 19:13:07
73

Apart from anything else one has to wonder, if he finds what I post to be so boring, why is he reading it?
He suggests I get a life !
Now thats funny!At least I am reading these forums because I want to .
Like everybody must,I always put my name at the top so there is no one forcing him (or anyone else)to read anything!

Unless of course he really means "I ever met",in which case he has me at a disadvantage.I do not recall the meeting, but then I was possibly bored with him very quickly and left.I'm intrigued as to when he met John Biffen though !

I suspect he refers to the televised interview ,in which John Biffen revealed that he supported the UNION on the basis that his English constituents benefited from Scotland's oil revenues, but had he been a Scottish MP, it would not have been as a member of the Conservative party,and hinted that he possibly would have joined the SNP,since he recognised that their claims were both sound and legitimate.
John Biffen was the most honest man he had ever interviewed according to Brian Walden,and he opposed the Poll Tax,the Maastricht treaty,and wanted a referendum on the EU Constitution (so he could vote against it)
If I am half as "boring" as John Biffen, I should be a very fortunate man indeed.I consider it to be too complimentary by far!

He was a very senior Tory indeed of course, and was Leader of the Commons prior to his subsequent removal after falling from favour with Maggie Thatcher ,whose government he eventually labelled as Stalinist!

Quite a character and Nikostratos thinks he was boring? The world disagrees I suspect!
68

Nikostratos,

20/01/2008 20:00:35
#79 morris


you take life too seriously.......I agree 100% with your characterisation of john biffen.....A very nice person........Gave Bernard ingham a bloody nose
69

HEN BROON 5,

FREEZING IN ALBA 20/01/2008 21:31:03
No babies eaten this week by Alex, OCH.
Here one they missed earlier:
From The Sunday TimesJanuary 20, 2008

Labour aide brands Scotland as racistTom Gordon
DES BROWNE, the Scottish and defence secretary, was under pressure this weekend to sack one of his top aides for describing Scotland as a “narrow, Presbyterian and racist” country. John McTernan, a special adviser to Browne and former Downing Street aide to Tony Blair, made the comments in a personal e-mail to a Labour politician.

The document was obtained by The Sunday Times under freedom of information legislation. McTernan, who was among those cleared of wrongdoing in the cash for honours affair, wrote to Karen Gillon, a Labour member of the Scottish parliament, before a visit to Sweden: “If you’ve not been to Sweden before, I think you’ll really like it – it’s the country Scotland would be if it wasn’t narrow, Presbyterian, racist etc. etc. Social democracy in action.”

Alex Salmond, the Scottish first minister, said last night that the remarks showed Labour's true “contempt” for the Scottish people, and questioned why McTernan should keep his publicly funded £99,000-a-year job.

“It’s a remarkable insight into the attitudes of the special adviser that London put in charge of Labour’s election campaign last year,” he said.


“It shows why Labour lost the election. They seem to have developed a unique contempt for the Scottish people. But it’s not Scotland that is narrow; it’s the Labour party.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3216680.ece
70

HEN BROON 5,

20/01/2008 21:34:50
69 walter,20/01/2008 16:23:49


Are you sharing the langtonians Co-op £9.99 whisky, sounds like it?
71

Miss Jean Brodie,

20/01/2008 21:35:05
Eddie Barnes = The Scottish peoples new Jimmy Hill ! ha ha ha !
72

langtonian,

scotus 20/01/2008 23:03:06
First Minister Alex Salmond as leader of the Scottish Executive deservedly won the award as politician of the year.He is be congratulated on this singular achievment,he is truly a politician.

That it has come now rather than later is fortuitous,given a likelyhood that by completion of his first full term of office, in Maytime when the gardens will be blooming his prospects will be beginning to have much less of a rosy outlook.for reasons listed herewith,the given list being a long distance from being a complete one.

(1) The coe-eveloution that Alex Salmond and John Swinney cobbled up to ensnare the COSLA senior representative to be signatory to a document, which they claim,is to the benefit of all 33 councils in Scotland,will be seriously unravelling,the first threads of which are already parting and showing signs of wear and tear.

(2)The little talked about revelation that the SNP.had scrapped a one seat majority on the back of a spend of well over a million pounds (the largest spend of any party)a spending power they will ulikely be able to replecate.

(3)The referendum promissed by SNP with regard to the common market is a dead letter in terms of there being absolutley no interest from 26 of the 27 countries involved, the odd one out being the Sein Fein Southern Irish who do, for whatever reason can be seen to be of a like mind to the SNP policy.

(4)There appears to be no current SNP defence policy worthy of a name,thus putting at risk the possibility of losing out on any further orders to maintain Clyde shipbuilders

(5)First minister Alex Salmond and the SNP speratist supporters are entitled to their points of view,but two thirds of Scottish voters who take the view that they wish to remain within the United Kingdom will prevail at the next opportunity that crops up.

Alex Salmond will be safelly back at Westminster, aiming to end his political days as a Life Peer in the House Of Lords,negating any likelyhood of any cash flow problems when he
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langtonian,

uphall 20/01/2008 23:08:05
retires.
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John Blackley,

Florida 20/01/2008 23:31:00
If politicians' getting or remaining in their jobs is decided by the public, then why are their salaries and benefits not?

Next to each parasite's........sorry, politician's tick box on the ballot, a series of other tick boxes. "Up 2%" "Down 2%" "Pay this one 25,000 a year" "Pay that one in shirt buttons".

Shouldn't be too hard to work out and we could really get a "pay tied to performance" process started.
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I prefer less than 50 characters. PC Norman Tinl.,

20/01/2008 23:37:40
Very biased headline.

Labour, Unionist and Liberal voters aren't so dumb that they can't identify p1ss-p00r journalism.

We all work in sales. We want to by objective reporting.

R.I.P. Johnston Press.
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I prefer less than 50 characters. PC Norman Tinl.,

20/01/2008 23:38:05
BUY
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An Beal Bacht,

20/01/2008 23:41:31
87 - That was quite well written Kirkcaldy. You should take up writing fiction full time. Perhaps you could get a job with the Hootsman.
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langtonian,

uphall 21/01/2008 00:02:32
#90An Beal Bacht
As Pliny the Elder said-it's the way that Itell em!!! !
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Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 21/01/2008 06:45:46

Snouts in the trough, subsidised second homes sold at a profit to themselves, pocket liners, nest featherers and golden pension pirates..........nuff said.

 

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