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Patients face quiz over drink habits



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Published Date: 25 May 2008
A MULTIMILLION pound scheme has been launched to halt serious alcohol problems before they take hold in drinkers who are unaware they are exceeding safe limits.
Doctors, nurses and dentists across Scotland will be trained to quiz thousands of patients about their drinking habits and offer counselling to those breaching safe levels.

Women who regularly drink more than three units a day and men who drink m
ore than five will be subjected to a 'brief intervention', where NHS staff will warn them about the dangers of alcohol, ask them to cut back on their drinking and tell them to return for a follow-up appointment.

Despite repeated attempts to highlight safe levels of alcohol, in Scotland there is still confusion about how much it is safe to drink. High on the list of people health officials want to reach are those who drink at home in the evening, after work and at weekends. They are unwittingly putting themselves at risk of a range of health problems, including high blood pressure and liver disease.

The move, part of an £85m three-year Scottish Government alcohol strategy, will see around one in six Scots 'screened' for their drinking habits during routine appointments with GPs, dentists and nurses.

Health boards have a target of offering up to 150,000 Scots identified as 'hazardous drinkers' help ranging from leaflets and guidance to extensive counselling.

Despite it emerging last year that guidelines on safe alcohol consumption are not based on clear evidence, the strategy is using the 1987 figures because no credible alternative has been provided by researchers.

For women, a trigger point for counselling will be admitting regularly drinking three units or more a day – which is the equivalent of any more than two 125ml glasses or one 250ml glass of wine.

For men a trigger point would be five units – any more than half a bottle of wine or two pints of lager. Other triggers would be admitting weekly 'binges' of more than six units in one evening for women and eight units for men.

Last night, health campaigners welcomed the move, but critics questioned whether it would work in practice and reiterated that moderate drinking was part of a healthy lifestyle.

A raft of initiatives have been developed to target potential danger drinkers. They include:

• Training NHS staff to carry out 'brief interventions' during which they ask patients about drinking and challenge them to change bad habits;

• Paying GPs up to £200 a patient to carry out brief interventions and monitor progress;

• Training NHS dentists to quiz patients on their alcohol consumption and monitor their progress at six-monthly check-ups or refer them to counselling services via GPs;

• Asking NHS 24 callers phoning about problems such as stomach pains or indigestion about their drinking and referring them for help to specialist telephone nurses or their GP.

The move is being organised by the Scottish Government's public health agency, NHS Health Scotland.

George Howie, its alcohol and drugs programme manager, yesterday said: "A number of healthcare settings offer a really good opportunity to identify people at a relatively early stage in their alcohol problem. It can be done in a planned way, such as routine screening, or from an opportunistic way by working with clues from what patients say that suggest there is a problem.

"Underlying problems can manifest themselves because of drinking, such as high blood pressure, stomach problems, infertility, depression and anxiety. These might help the health professional to work with the patient to make the link with their drinking. The health professional can take patients through their pattern of consumption and help them."

He added: "It's down to the individual to choose whether they need to change. But the earlier we can intervene, the better the chances of recovery."

A recent trial of the scheme in the Dumfries and Galloway area found it to be a success for some drinkers. A total of 550 patients were randomly screened at GP practices. One in five was found to be a problem drinker. Of these, nearly 60% returned three months later and had reduced their alcohol consumption, with 46% showing a significant improvement in the liver-function test.

Health boards are expected to meet targets in line with other responsibilities and will be accountable to the Scottish Government if they fail.

Christine Goodall, a clinical lecturer in oral surgery at Glasgow University Dental School, is organising training for NHS dentists and says issues such as gum disease and broken teeth can be linked to alcohol problems. She said: "Dentists quite often get left out in terms of health promotion, but there's a lot of them out there seeing patients every day."

Yesterday, the scheme was welcomed by experts and campaigners. Dr Dean Marshall, chairman of the Scottish GP committee of the British Medical Association, said it could prove effective provided funding is channelled properly.

"Primary care provides a useful opportunity for brief interventions, but it's essential that systems are developed to encourage this on a regular basis with funding, resources and comprehensive training and guidance on screening and delivery," he said.

Some have criticised the safe limit guidelines. Richard Smith, a member of the Royal College of Physicians working party that produced the guidelines in 1987, said the recommendation was prompted by "a feeling that you had to say something".

However, Barbara O'Donnell, director of services for Alcohol Focus Scotland said: "The cost of alcohol problems in Scotland is £2.25bn, the problems ranging from issues of health, employment, relationships and family life to legal problems."

Jonathan Mail, spokesman for the Campaign for Real Ale, said home drinking was being fuelled by cheap deals at off-licences. He said:

"Camra believes that the drinking of good-quality real ale with friends in a well-run community pub encourages sensible drinking. It is deep discounting in off-licenses and supermarkets that is driving heavy drinking."

Wine expert Ian McNeill, of the Wine Experience, said: "I think it is good to be challenged on your drinking now and again and a verbal reminder does no harm."

A Scottish Government spokesman said: "Far too many Scots are drinking more than the sensible drinking guidelines and alcohol-related health problems are spiralling as a result.

"The Scottish Government believes this is a problem we must get to grips with as a matter of urgency."



'It's hard to know how many glasses of wine you are supposed to have as the size varies so much'

In a snapshot taken by Scotland on Sunday yesterday it was apparent that many drinkers are unaware of the safe alcohol limits outlined by the Government

Susan Walker, 45, a receptionist from Edinburgh, was way out.

She said: "I think it's about 14 units per day, but I'm not really sure at all.

"I guess that means four glasses of wine, but that seems rather a lot."

Sales assistant Johnny Dunn, 24, also had to guess: "I'm sure this has cropped up in the news recently. I'm going to say five units. Actually, make that three, I'll be on the safe side.

"I think that's probably between two and four pints."

Roy Lorimer, 29, a scaffolder from Edinburgh, was doubtful. "We Scots drink quite a lot so I think it must be about six units per day. That's about three pints, or two and a half pints of Stella. But I don't think people pay much attention to these kind of warnings anyway."

Nicola Ferguson, 34, a learning and development consultant from Aberdeen, guessed correctly.

"For a woman I think it's about three or four units per day, though perhaps it could be less. I guess about a glass and a half of wine every evening."

Pam Jenkinson, 48, a pensions manager from Edinburgh, said it was difficult to know what was safe. "I'm going to guess it's about three units or something. It's hard to know how many glasses of wine you're supposed to have as the size varies so much. But it's probably around two standard glasses of wine. I think the Government has done well to put the drink and drive message across to the public but has definitely missed out on the health aspect."



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  • Last Updated: 24 May 2008 11:18 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 00:45:02

"Women who regularly drink more than three units a day and men who drink more than five will be subjected to a 'brief intervention"


How 'Ridiculous"!..'For Gods Sake' give me a Break!

And 'pray tell' how will you know a Woman has had a little over the recommended 3units!,?

A forced Blood Test,?

Better still,..'You Will be Interrogated'!

'Aye' that will be right 'huh',?

Patient;
"Honest Ms Mr Dentist, I only came for a filling"

Dentist;
"Ve Vant ze Truth, Nothing But the ze Truth"!

GET AWAY! 'Dachau', I thought was history!
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 01:05:38

Patient;
"Can you give me something for this rash",?

Doctor;
"Ve in ze SS have vavys to make you 'speak'."

Patient;

"NO NO Doctor, not the injection of truth or the lie detctor test, I only came for my Rash"

Doctor;
"Be Quiet you Dog! you 'vill be givzez ze truzth drug"

Doctor;
"Nurze Nurze come here NOW! help me tie zis patient down"


'Aye Ritzes Then'....as if!
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 01:08:48


BE ASSURED! 'VE HAVE VAYS OF MAKING YOU SPEAK'!

'HI HIT£ER'!!
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 01:14:40

This is a Humans Rights issue! it now has gone all to far!

As I have told you in the past, give them a little and they just will want more, ..'Too Much More'

As of the likes of the smoking issue, you will not be allowed to see a 'fag' packet in our shops!

But 'HEY',...the porn mags are OK!
5

Waspy100,

25/05/2008 01:34:57
#1/2/3/4
P1ssed are we? and boring everyone so no sensible comments are made in case you verbally abuse them.
Some like a drink some dont. Secret is as Robert Burns said "John Barleycorn is a good servant but a bad master"
Problem again is the servant sometimes becomes the master before you know it.

Slainte
6

RAV,

Canada 25/05/2008 01:57:35
SOOO, If a medical practitioner discovers that you smoke/chew/sniff TOBACCO! Will there be an intervention? If they discover that you use illegal drugs as oppossed to the legal drugs alcohol & tobacco will there be an intervention? If they discover you consume several times the reccommended daily units of fat/carbs/calories will there be an intervention? Where does it end? Please tell me, BIG BROTHER!
7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 01:59:30

Waspy100 @#5,

NO NOT P1ssed!

If you cannot see or understand what I say, to-which has relevance on this subject, I suggest you read more of what I portray from a differing angle.

I am in noway mocking this subject re; drink related problems, but as for the "Ridiculous" ways to tackle it, I have the right to express, albeit in a differing format, the way I see it!

9 times out of ten, what I say has truth!
8

RAV,

CANADA 25/05/2008 02:04:58
Possibliity of an intervention: If you drink AFTER work? If you drink in the evenings? If you drink on weekends? Sooo, let's all drink BEFORE work! AT WORK, DURING the (work)day ie at lunch before going back to work, but NOT on weekends when we have all day to sip a few "units" instead of gulping the allotted "units" before the last train/bus. Oh YEEES! SOOOOO much better! PS I have consumed approx 8 units THIS YEAR to date, most in the pm, generally on my day off, does that make me a potential alkie? On the other hand I did have 1 unit at the office on 2 occassions so I guess that's OK?
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 02:10:43
RAV,CANADA,

It WILL become the case, over here that is, if we let them away with it brother!

"VE HAVE VAY'S OF MAKING YOUZE SPEAK"

It all just sounds Soo German Gestapo, don't you think,?
10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 02:12:24

Hence my #1-#4 comments!
11

jd at the club,

blyth 25/05/2008 02:19:24
off doon the club for a couple an a think.
12

jd at the club,

25/05/2008 02:20:54
and a think.
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 02:38:32

jd at the club @#10/11,

By Gosh that must be a late club!

But,..'NO-WORRIES' the Doc or Dentist, I am sure will extract the truth from you! on your next visit re; health care,.. NO-LESS.
14

fife runner,

25/05/2008 07:22:08
Charles, having had a good friend die at 32 and an uncle at 28 and now my father in law suffering drink related illness it is high time people for their own good were helped. On the other hand what you are saying is if you do not want help then you would inevitably forego any treatment on the NHS and save us all money as the NHS cannot cope now with drink related illness in the population on top of the obesity epidemic.

It is serious when even teenagers are being admitted with drink related illness.
15

fife runner,

25/05/2008 07:23:35
anyhow should have known we could not have had a sensible conversation on drink on a Sunday morning.
16

Non!!,

East Britain 25/05/2008 07:49:56
I was amazed to hear a long government sponsored speil about the dangers of drink on radio Classic FM last week.I suggest that Dawn Primarola takes advertising space in the Church Times."Regular Church goers are at a serious risk of liver damage. It's the sacramental wine y'know."

This whole campaign is worthy of Monty Python!! But we pay.
17

Beate,

Vilnius 25/05/2008 08:50:06
People phone NHS24 for ....indigestion?
18

A Crofter,

Western Isles 25/05/2008 09:40:54
I didn't realise you were supposed to inhale - but then, I'm just a stupid politician.

Can the local distillery, brewery or other drug-pusher give me a proper job?

Always remember to get rat-arsed responsibly.
19

it has always been allan,

25/05/2008 09:50:50
don't believe all the lies politicians tell you, half of them aint true.

Always pick a doctor who drinks more than you do.
20

commonsense,

At Off licence 25/05/2008 09:56:08
Like most things in society ,it would be better curing the reasons why people do "bad" things, rather than telling them off or working out punishments for them doing it.
21

Mcsnagpile,

25/05/2008 10:01:52
What is a unit?? One unit of alcohol is when the rate of diffusion is inversely proportional to the square root of its density multiplied by the IQ factor.

How are units related to health? One unit equals how many legs you have multiplied by the infinity variable factor, x. Of course being legless greatly increases your chances of organ damage.

My doctor receptionist told me to make an appointment; I have to phone on the 5th of July, providing it is a full moon, stating it is chilly for June, for an appointment in September. My ultra sharp Bowie knife did a good job on the operation, I then stitched it up with needle and thread soaked in Dettol. So who is going to advise on Units??

Mr Biggar Belli says good quality ale is good for what ails you, with a small measure of community spirit = 2 units.

Had a bar at home but got fed up with the stale beer smell and the mothball disinfectant block in the toilet.

Actually, I have given up alcohol, and can now see if I am spraying the toilet floor, not to mention a close friend who has been missing for a while.
22

Harbinger,

Vat 69 25/05/2008 10:12:34
"The recommended maximum intake was set 20 years ago by doctors who simply plucked a limit out of the air"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article2698024.ece

“David Barker was the epidemiologist on the committee and his line was that ‘We don’t really have any decent data whatsoever. It’s impossible to say what’s safe and what isn’t’.

“And other people said, ‘Well, that’s not much use. If somebody comes to see you and says ‘What can I safely drink?’, you can’t say ‘Well, we’ve no evidence. Come back in 20 years and we’ll let you know’. So the feeling was that we ought to come up with something. So those limits were really plucked out of the air. They weren’t really based on any firm evidence at all. It was a sort of intelligent guess by a committee.”

On that basis, a nation’s drinking destiny was determined.

There has been plenty of evidence to challenge those 20 year old limits:

World Health Organisation, 2000:

"For men, less than 35 weekly units was low-risk, 36-52.5 was medium-risk and above 53 was high-risk. (govt. says 21)

Women were low-risk below 17.5 units, medium between 18 and 35 and high above 36." (govt. says 14)

"Seven years earlier, in 1993, a study of 12,000 middle-aged, male doctors led by Sir Richard Doll and a team at the Radcliffe Infirmary, Oxford, found that the lowest mortality rates – lower even than teetotallers – were among those drinking between 20 and 30 units of alcohol each week.

The level of drinking that produced the same risk of death as that faced by a teetotaller was 63 units a week, or roughly a bottle of wine a day."

"Some countries say that women should drink less than men, but others, including Canada, the Netherlands and Spain, make no distinction."

Yet the government still spends our money on promoting baseless limits and doctors quite happily jump on the bandwagon.



23

ddmc,

25/05/2008 10:18:32
so we need millions of £'s to tell us something that we already know, we drink too much

ffs
24

Chris Harrison,

Callander 25/05/2008 10:44:37
So the government have no idea what the recommended daily alcohol limit should be so they made something up and now they're going to lecture us at every turn?

If anyone starts nagging me about this, I'll be asking them to back up their assertions with some actual evidence or shut up.
25

fife runner,

25/05/2008 10:45:41
judging by some of the comments it is little wonder we need a bit of nannying. or is it the hangover talking.
26

Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 25/05/2008 11:09:22
Cheers everybody !
27

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 11:48:43
#25 fife,

"judging by some of the comments it is little wonder we need a bit of nannying"

WRONG!

'judging by some of the comments it is 'OF NO SURPRISE' People are getting fed-up of being told how to live, because of the few who dont'!
28

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25/05/2008 11:53:53
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29

excadet,

away 25/05/2008 12:18:56
This seems more about gravy than booze ... gravy train that is! No wonder the chair of the BMA GP's committee wants to ensure the funding goes to GP's if 200 pounds a pop is the going rate. It's a bit worrying that GP's need such a huge additional 'incentive' to enquire into their patients' health and wellbeing!

30

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 25/05/2008 12:43:09
Charles Linskaill

Good morning, sir, to you and yours.

It would seem that you are being picked on by some intemperate and stupid posters.

Just as I am being picked on by some wacko name alex paterson who WILL NOT comment on subjects in these threads exxcept to insult and libel me.

I have demanded the applicable postings to be removed as they contravene the "diktats" of the Scotsman.

How DO these useless posters with NOTHING to say get on these threads? I suppose it bolsters their meagre accomplishments to denigrate and insult others for NO reason whatsoever.

I suppose we must endure them but their vile postings reveal more of their mental limitations than any psychiatric test.
31

We all hate a winner,

25/05/2008 12:45:04
Fact; if you come to A&E with an alcohol related problem, you have a massively increased chance of dying due to a complication of alcohol use.
Targeting these people is sensible.
No one has offered us A&E docs £200 a time to screen for these people though, doh! missed a trick there.
32

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25/05/2008 12:53:25
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33

bluehead,

edinburgh 25/05/2008 13:05:07
broonie and his mob are enough to drive anyone to drink
it's quite possible that if we got a change of goverment then everyone would become teetotal!!
the pressing problem for the people is not so much drink,but this terrible labour goverment,who have destroyed this once lovely country
it is now just a dump!!!!!
34

Ezekiel Gazooks,

25/05/2008 14:17:59
Never drink more than your doctor. That lets you have a very fair ammount>
35

excadet,

away 25/05/2008 14:29:49
This seems more about gravy than booze ... gravy train that is! No wonder the chair of the BMA GP's committee wants to ensure the funding goes to GP's if 200 pounds a pop is the going rate. It's a bit worrying that GP's need such a huge additional 'incentive' to enquire into their patients' health and wellbeing!

36

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/05/2008 15:11:26
I do not have a problem with my drinking. It is those who continually and increasingly look over my shoulder who have a problem with my drinking, smoking, driving a car, flying on holidy, not buying the right foodstuffs, et effing cetera.

Should I just apologise to them for being born?

Aye, right. Get tae and let me live the life I choose and pay for without harming other people.
37

Statsman,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 15:29:44
Is the information to be added to a database?
38

Statsman,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 15:34:43
29 excadet

The BMA are a eugenics movement. They actively promote denying healthcare to people that have paid taxes all their lives for not being perfect.
39

Annie67,

Kent 25/05/2008 16:17:37
It's about time that people realised how many units they are drinking. I only wish it was made public a long time ago maybe my son would still be alive. He was 26 when he died from liver failure because he became an acoholic at a very early age. A waste of a life.
40

it has always been allan,

25/05/2008 16:23:43
First it was aids then blood pressure then obesity and now alcohol, and the docs get a fee for each test so wait for the letter from your surgery but it wont come over the weekend or holiday
41

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/05/2008 16:58:41
41, Annie67.

While I extend my sympathies to your personal loss, I would like to say that there are other things in life. And let us not forget that life is the biggest killer of them all.

My father was a non-drinking, non-smoking moderate who was nonetheless very distant. This appears to have been passed onto me with regard to my children and is something I guilt about.

I suppose that what I am trying to say here is that I have enough inherent guilt without the state authorities ramming more down my throat. I thought the Presbyterian church had the monopoly on that (see a related News article).
42

Cassandra,

25/05/2008 17:29:32
I suspect attacks on already beleaguered medics will increase if they are now being bribed into interfering in our private lives. My response to such an enquiry would be a) why do you ask and b) mind your own business, assuming I wasn't 'presenting' as they say with an alcohol-related problem.

Nobody nowadays can be in any doubt about safe levels of drinking (whether the 3 or 5 a day limit is valid or not). If you get p1ssed every day, you've got a problem. If you do it occasionally, you haven't.

Paying health professionals to ask is a waste of taxpayers' money. Why don't they ask if you take drugs, while they're at it? People with a problem know it and won't tell the truth anyway.
43

Old Mother Hubbard,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 17:56:19
"NHS staff will warn them about the dangers of alcohol, ask them to cut back on their drinking and tell them to return for a follow-up appointment"

£85m to invest and this is the best idea that they can come up with? For people with an alcohol problem, this approach is just not going to work. Three years ago when I was seriously overweight (easier to spot than drinking levels) the nurse at the GP clinic weighed me, warned me about the dangers of being overweight, asked me to cut back, and to return to have my blood pressure monitored [notice any similarities in the approach?]. She herself was overweight, her approach was patronising, and not surprisingly her "brief intervention" had no effect. I knew that an apple was better for me than a bag of chips, but more knowledge wasn't the problem. Similarly most people KNOW if they are drinking too much on a regular basis. The amount of social change and individual motivation and action required to address this massive problem is not going to be achieved by this half-hearted proposal.

Ironic isn't it that this is being proposed just 2 months after Libra, the Edinburgh alcohol counselling service for women had to close due to lack of funding!
44

DeniseX,

London 25/05/2008 18:25:43
Next time you visit your doctor, ask him/her how much he/she drinks. After a depressing days work, many of them love a few drinks when they get home.
45

JT,

25/05/2008 19:22:13
Will this be the same fat nurse or doctor telling us that we are overweight. How many medical staff drink and smoke? When they stop drinking and smoking then we joe public will. However we have been driven to drink by stress ouf working the longest hours in europe (only behind the states because they done have the same basic holidays than us). We are driven to drink as the government seem to take away any pleasures from us and allow everything to go up except salaries. No bloody wonder we drink! Im not advocating alcholism or the violence that goes with it. However I dont really go drinking except over the next couple of weeks I have leaving do and birthday celebrations. I know I will drink more than 3 units on both occasions, however I dont tend to drink during the week so I dont feel that I have problem. Why is the government spending this time and money on stupid teenagers who have no education from parents or teachers on the consequences of the drink rather than penalising the ordinary person who enjoys a drink or two at the end of a day or week.
46

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/05/2008 19:54:21
God, I'm pished. But at least I've got religion and have paid all duties on everything I have imbibed.

Sunday is,indeed, a day of rest. A day of rest from sobriety.

In a couple of weeks time I shall be heading off for another 20 cartons of cigarettes (only have 5 left from the last trip) but my NI contributions are now part of a reciprocal EU agreement.

Have a nice day.
47

Waspy100,

25/05/2008 20:04:37
#48
Why do you think you are God.
Jock Tamson is an old Scots expression for Him ie were all Jock Tamson's bairns.
On the alcohol debate Robert burns once said of another Jock " John Barleycorn is a good servant but a bad master"
48

DollyDimple,

25/05/2008 20:32:45
I can't believe so many are refusing to accept that we have serious alcohol issues here in Scotland. We drink too much and that affects our health. How difficult is that to understand? What's being promoted here is moderation not prohibition. A reasonable message I would say.
49

jackal,

Glasgow 25/05/2008 21:16:43
Yet again this seems like a case of misplaced priorities. Rather than concentrating resources
on dealing with the real problem drinkers and
ensuring that drink is increasingly difficult for
under agers to get/afford....it seems that people
who enjoy a couple of pints or a couple of glasses
of wine a night are to be targeted and made to feel
that they, somehow, are the problem. Most people
in this category will never have any problem - it's
the ones who regularly get off their face that have,
and cause others, a problem. Change the Scottish
culture that many people seem to believe in ie 'not having a good time unless you're totally pished' and
we might get somewhere.
Question is how do we do that?
I don't think the answer is to harangue those who
already drink in moderation and know their limits.
50

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/05/2008 22:12:52
49, Waspy100. One wonders what got your bee's bum up on my postings.

My real name is Jack Thomson - what's yours? - and I have been cried Jock Tamson ever since I began school.

On the alcohol debate, do you have anything to contribute apart from the quote from an exiseman?
51

Trade-wind,

USA 26/05/2008 05:44:54
I to think it is not a very effective way to approach the problem of drinking to excess. However, you really do want to do something if the Scots people are to be saved from themselves or from ruining their lives. I and my friends drank as kids. I'm 61. We would drink if we could get our hands on it, any time any where. As we
grew older we drank more because we could do it legally.
I never really liked the taste and only done it to be like everyone else. After I got married it was expensive
and took money away from our budget thats was needed. I would get sick and hung over and one morning I had a revelation. If I would get this sick any other way I would pay a doctor to make me well, so why was I paying good money to make myself sick drinking. I stopped, but my friends didn't. My brother is now an alcoholic and has lost his wife and family and jobs because of it. Several of my friends are also drunks. My brother-in-law is never with out a beer in one hand and a spare in the other.
Scotland if you have a problem find a solution. If this one isn't workable find one that is. This is one hell of a bad thing to have happen to good men and women that are your fathers, mothers and brothers or friends.
Don't let it happen to them because if you do it is nearly impossible to bring them back to sobriety. I have tried to help my brother but he is lost forever.
He would be better off dead believe me.
52

syntax,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 07:10:03
Has anyone actually asked who determined what constituted a 'unit' and how they determined what was 'too much'.

I saw an advisor being interviewed and he claimed to have been on the original government body set up to look into alcohol abuse. He admitted on camera that they committe had no idea and actually just plucked figures out of fresh air?

So, like obesity figures, who actually determines what is or is not a safe level.... Personally I don't listen to any of them.. I will eat what i like and drink what I like. I will not die sooner or later - I'll just die when it's my time !!!!!

 

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