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Published Date: 10 August 2008
GORDON Brown has conceded Government can never legislate knives off the streets, and has called on families and communities to lead a grass-roots campaign to make possession "unacceptable".
The Prime Minister said yesterday that Britain required a culture change in which the carrying of a knife became as socially abhorrent as racism or bullying.

It follows growing concern over the rate of knife crime across the UK. In Scotland, figures released last week showed that Scots are twice as likely to be knifed to death than people in England. In Glasgow, the worst affected part of the country, the homicide rate in 2002 was 58.7 people per million, the highest in western Europe. Knife crime in Scotland accounts for 40% of homicides.

Brown interrupted his summer holiday to attend the Edinburgh International Book Festival yesterday morning, where he was interviewed by author Ian Rankin.

He used the public forum to declare that knife crime was the "biggest problem at the moment" in some cities in the country. But, he said, the best way of tackling it was not through Government action but by community action.

The Prime Minister told the audience: "Young people are thinking it's acceptable, fashionable, necessary for them to protect themselves, to carry a knife. Just like we made guns unacceptable, we should make knives unacceptable."

He added: "You need not just young people but parents and other people to say that knives in Britain, like guns, like bullying, like racism, all these things are unacceptable. We have to persuade people; it's not a thing Government can do only. People in the community have got to, in a sense, rise up and say this is unacceptable behaviour."

The Prime Minister added: "There are certain boundaries in a decent society you don't cross and these boundaries are cultural – because in America it is acceptable for many people to carry guns, it's not in Britain. I think in Britain we've got to make it as unacceptable to carry knives. I think most decent people in our country would want to do that and I think what you will see over the next few months is this sort of campaign, which is led not just by Government but people in the country to say 'get knives off our streets – it's completely unacceptable'."

Brown's comments will be seen as a change of emphasis from last month when he unveiled an action plan on knife crime focusing on Government measures to tackle the crisis.

The fatal stabbing of London teenager Ben Kinsella has already prompted protest marches and is soon to lead to an anti-knife crime concert in London later this year. The teenager died in June after being attacked on the street.

In Scotland, SNP ministers are also stepping up efforts to crack down on knife crime. First Minister Alex Salmond has said that an automatic jail sentence for possession of a knife will be considered in Scotland as part of a criminal justice bill to be unveiled later this year.

Scottish ministers are also planning to set new national sentencing guidelines – to be overseen by a sentencing council – to ensure the judiciary are consistent.

Brown also used the interview to mount a fresh defence of the UK. He was speaking within a few yards of Salmond's official Bute House residence in Edinburgh.

Brown insisted that the country still shared the same "traditions and values" and also shared "respect for the same institutions, such as the NHS".

He also confirmed that he is to contribute to a new book on Britishness in the coming months.

Brown also reflected on his recent meeting with US presidential candidate Barack Obama, who visited him in Downing Street two weeks ago.

Brown said: "He is campaigning on change and he has got a great message going out the country about how America can play a bigger part in the world and how America can grow."

Brown also praised Republican senator John McCain as a "great hero".

Brown in holiday mood – but the storytelling was murder

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TRULY it was a rare sight: Gordon Brown in holiday mode. The Prime Minister is in the middle of his longest holiday since he was in short trousers, writes Eddie Barnes.

As he strode into the large marquee erected for the Edinburgh Book Festival in the middle of Charlotte Square at 10am yesterday, we were curious: we knew he could survive a year of almost non-stop misery at Number 10, but what had two weeks doing nothing with the wife and kids on the beach done to him?

Usually Gordon Brown sans tie looks a bit wrong, but yesterday, dressed in chinos, a smart blue linen jacket and an open-necked blue shirt, the Prime Minister somehow seemed more comfortable – quite the man about town.

The holiday must be going well. And Ian Rankin wasn't going to interrupt it, offering him all the right questions (mostly about the PM's recently published book on courageous figures), while ignoring all of the wrong ones (about a certain Foreign Secretary).

The press, meanwhile, had been told that questions for the PM were strictly verboten; it would be the "real people" in the audience who would probe him. Everyone deserves a holiday, perhaps.

Those who attend regular Brown speeches have come to know by now that the PM is a shameless recycler of stories. And he was soon into he stride. There's the story about how Richard Nixon travelled to Ghana following its independence. He turned to one man and asked him how it felt to be free. "I don't know," said the man, "I'm from Alabama." First time round it's good.

That was the fun bit. After about 25 minutes – as Brown moved from the plight of Burmese civil rights leader Aung San Suu Kyi, to the situation in Africa, to the history of Britain's hospice movement – the audience appeared to be flagging.

"Good Lord, this is boring," said one lady. This wasn't entirely Rankin's fault; Brown has a disconcerting habit, when asked a question, of seizing on a word or a phrase within it which chimes with his own world view and then setting off on a long, rambling discourse on that theme. It made for a rather disjointed conversation.

The rain pounded down outside (getting harder, it seemed, when Brown talked about Scottish independence) acting as a reminder of his trouble at the office. Rankin said he thought Brown's writing style was great. "I've been learning from your novels," replied the PM to the country's foremost writer of gory murder. To David Miliband, et al: beware.

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1

Soup kitchen,

10/08/2008 00:02:43
10 years later... amazing the speed Labour moves at.

Is he going to fight armed thugs with speeches and announcements? Maybe get tough and start an advertising campaign in A,B,C periodicals. A task group, yeah, let's leave no stone unturned.

But let's not build more jails or hire more police, these criminals are just misunderstood. And so what if a few innocents live the rest of their lives scarred on the face...
2

Soup kitchen,

10/08/2008 00:03:11
Where are Scotland's 1,000 police by the way? Salmond is no better.
3

subrosa,

10/08/2008 00:17:15
#2

Last month 125 new recruits reported to our police service. Another 125 are now in training at Tulliallan. It takes time to train police as it does to train anyone for such work and I'm sure you understand that 1000 police just can't be plucked off the High Street.
4

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10/08/2008 00:19:29
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Soup kitchen,

10/08/2008 00:21:41
3 Subrosa

Many police are retiring. Police levels have fallen this year.

You'll need to try again, both Labour and the SNP are failures when it comes to armed thugs.
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10/08/2008 00:26:04
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luchanbeag,

reality 10/08/2008 00:42:43
Knives?Broon?He can start by taking the daggers out his back planted by his party colleagues.........
8

Edward,

10/08/2008 00:45:35
#5 Soup Kitchen
Just how quickly do you actually think it takes to recruit, train and place Police officers on the streets?
You obviously come from the MacDonalds, Big Mac instant serve school.
Well hate to spoil your stupidity, but training police officeres isnt something thats instant.
But dont take my word, here is an extract from The Scottish Police College at Tulliallan quote 'Initially, probationers attend for fifteen weeks' basic training an intensive course with a distinctly practical bias to equip recruits with sufficient grounding in the realities of practical police work to enable them to operate efficiently and give them the skills necessary to make a confident and competent start in the service. After completing the fifteen week basic training course, recruits return to their forces where they receive instruction in the local application of what they have learned at the College. This process of 'in-force' training is continued until the probationer is ready to return to the College to attend a two weeks reconvention course after approximately twelve months' service. On the reconvention course the emphasis is more on academic and theoretical studies than on practical and physical aspects.'
So its 15 weeks, then twelve months, then 2 weeks.
How long have the SNP been in Government? Well they got elected in May, but didnt start properly until after the summer recess as far as I recall, so in all just over the year. But before you get excited by that, I should also remind you that the Scottish Government, like all governments work to a fiscal cycle, so the the first available fiscal cycle for the new Scottish Government would be from April 2008, to which all there spending plans are based on. Wasnt this also delayed due to Labour not agreeing to the budget?

9

Soup kitchen,

10/08/2008 00:48:48
8 Edward

Do you think if we stopped giving £400,000 to Islam and instead gave it to the POlice they could speed things up?

I mean really, what is your opinion on that. Your standpoint is essential services can;t be improved with funding? What kind of a maniac are you?
10

Edward,

10/08/2008 00:54:13
#9 Soup Kitchen
You really are pretty thick!
Doesnt matter how much money you through at something, the training period will remain the same
I didnt say services cannot be improved with funding, you can increase funding to recruit more police officers, but at the end of the day the training period remains the same
Unfortunately this forum doesnt allow me to draw simple diagrams for you!
11

Soup kitchen,

10/08/2008 00:59:12
10 Edward

I'm not thick.

The SNP are training barely enough police to cover the ones retiring. If they put this £400,000 and the other hundreds of thousands they waste each and every week on frivalous parties for their friends then we could do better.

With a few extra million, Scotland could achieve what it identified as its top priority years quicker. That would save lives and make our streets safer.

It's a shame that you are so emotionally attached to the SNP as to be blind to simple logic.

If you have millions to waste, they instead divert that funding to your topr priorities and achieve them sooner.
12

Richard,

west lothian 10/08/2008 00:59:55
Soup kitchen,

Are you an Islamophobe?

If so, then the money you speak of is being well spent!
13

Soup kitchen,

10/08/2008 01:03:41
12 Richard

No, I'm not an Islamophobe.

I believe tax-payers money should be spent wisely on our top priorities.

The SNP have cut funding on Science festivals and instead increased funding to Islam. That is not wise or a priority.

Young Scots need to be safe (police) and be well educated (science) if they are to have a brigh future.

Islam is for parents, families and communities to finance. Not pickpocketing all of Scotland to have a party that only a few are invited to.
14

Edward,

10/08/2008 01:08:29
#11 Soup Kitchen
You obviously have a problem reading then
The first fiscal year for the New Scottish Government started April 2008, that means that any moneys targeted for recruiting comes out of the 2008/2009 budget, which means recruitment based on the SNP Goverenments requirements starts THIS YEAR!
Training will complete 1 year and 17 weeks later
Hate to rain on your parade but Im not attached to the SNP in any shape or form. I find it facinating though that you think this based on what Ive said, even though Im only stating facts and not any political rhetoric!
I would be equally happy to be critical of the SNP Government, but Im realistic and will wait to see, how the first budget has been spend and the END of the FIRST fiscal year (give you a clue thats March 2009), then by that time we can see exactly how many recruits have been recruited over the 2008/2009 period
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Richard,

west lothian 10/08/2008 01:10:56
Soup kitchen,

My top priority is getting Scotland independence so we can get the economy sorted, a sure way to alleviate the causes of crime.
16

Edward,

10/08/2008 01:12:49
#13 Soup Kitchen

I think you do have a problem with the Islamic faith
You fail to understand what the funding is about, you fail to understand what the SIF is about.
Why not read what its about http://www.scottishislamic.org/index.php?go=about_us
17

Soup kitchen,

10/08/2008 01:14:18
14 Edward

You are being silly now.

I'll spell it out for you slowly. If you have £400,000 and recruiting 1,000 new police is yout top priority. What do you think achieves that priority sooner?

a) Giving the money to the police force to fund training places tomorrow?

b) Giving £400,000 to Islam to fund a party?

You clearly are associated with the SNP or you would acknowledge the ridiculousness of the SNP doing this.

Any rule or budgetary constraint that prevents Scotland achieving its top priorities shoudl be ignored by the way. That is why we elect new Governments, to change rules to allow us to operate efficiently. The SNP and you are hiding behind bearaucracy and don't care if people die from knife crime. You would rather have an Islamic party for votes.
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Graeme Thomson,

glasgow 10/08/2008 01:15:27
I agree taxpayers' money should not be spent promoting religion in Scotland whether it be Islamic festivals or Catholic schools.

However, £400,000 is chicken feed when compared to the billions wasted by Westminster on things such as invading Iraq, nuclear weapons or obsolete computer systems. Then there is the PFI scam - a Provvy-cheque type higher-purchase scheme that have landed taxpayers with a 30-year burden of debt.

Each and every one of us could be designated a personal bodyguard for this of cash never mind recruiting a few cops.
19

Edward,

10/08/2008 01:26:52
#17 Soup Kitchen

I hadnt realised racist bigoted fools like you existed in Scotland!
Just in case you were not aware the funding was vetted by the Voluntary Action Fund, an independent grant-making trust, or do you reckon they are an under cover SNP organisation
The rubbish that been printed in the Scotsman, regurgitated in the Scotland on Sunday and the Daily Record, smacks of political breifing by the Labour Party
20

Soup kitchen,

10/08/2008 01:35:06
20 Edward

I'm not a bigot.

I think that tax-payers money should go on priorities and be invested wisely.

You can list all the technacalities, names of sub-comittees, task forces groups, or any number of approvals. It's all irrelevant, if the SNP were any good, if the SNP were committed to delivering Scotland's priorities then they would turn the tap off on firvelous funding and turn the tap on to essential funding.

Having a party for Ismam is not an essential service.

Recruiting police to prevent knife crime is an essential service.

What part of this can't you and the SNP understand? Maybe you'll only get stabbed on the streets if Allah wills it?
21

Soup kitchen,

10/08/2008 01:35:45
21 David Banks

Why do you hate free speech?
22

Graeme Thomson,

10/08/2008 01:51:01
Too weird dude!!
23

scottish person,

paisley 10/08/2008 04:15:19
HELLO' is no one at home in the hootsmon community. Why are they allowing scum like david banks to dominate two threads with filth until he reaches 1000.
Is am2 sleeping or watching the brits in BJ land
24

somerferg,

perth 10/08/2008 04:25:35

h@lls teeth - was enjoying the cheery banter until the nutter above decided to spoil the party.
25

JimC,

Kilmarnock 10/08/2008 10:08:08
#18
I agree taxpayers' money should not be spent promoting religion in Scotland whether it be Islamic festivals or Catholic schools.

What a bigot, by your logic we should not be wasting money in promoting protestant schools either. Typical Gleska numpty.
26

luchanbeag,

outerworldbalmaha 10/08/2008 11:16:55
Knife?Scabby wee wimp chibs,how no get a real mans weapon like Broon?Trident,cruise gunships backed up wi thousands of mad mental tooled up squadies."Gaunyersel' troops! let's fire intae them mad arabs and show 'em whose ra daddy aroon this globe maaaaannnn,haw Davey boay don't firget tae tell that poof darling to bring ma tracky , ma nikes and ma divil dug fur al graibh......"
27

luchanbeag,

Outerglesga 10/08/2008 11:26:32
So whit dae ye need these scabby wee chibs fur?Get some real gear like Broony and his heavy team team.
Bread knifes ma bawz!Trident,Cruise ,Gunships backed up wi a mad squad a marines tooled up tae ra teef,soon show yon daft Arabs who ra daddy iz aroon this globe.
"Hey Millibrand stoap dwellin' oan last weeks chipwrappin' and bring ma Tracky,nikes and buckie..Oh and by ra by, tell yon wee gayboy darling tae bring ma divil dug and wull visit al-graibh while were oot there......."
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tommy,

belfast uk 10/08/2008 11:43:57
The government has brought this culture into being with its nanny state , its abrogation of parental choices-and with no fear now of cause and effect- boys can no longer be boys and girls can no longer be girls -- in an environment like this where there is no place to vent their energies and with respect for authority non existent (something to do with human rights)we are reaping what we have allowed the government to sow

Edward at 16
off topic but since you brought it up
obviously written without regard for the koran,sunna or hadith or does it mean what they want it to mean ??

Quote from site
"2. Protection of life & respect of people

* Facilitate understanding, cohesion and dialogue between Muslims and non-Muslims
* Promote peace
* Tackle all forms of discrimination and abuse with particular attention to religion, race, and gender
* Improve health
* Protect the environment
.....................................................
ONLY WORDS-to placate the dhimmi- ...words that do not reflect the teachings of the koran,sunna or hadith as practised by islam worldwide













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Average_Joe,

usa 10/08/2008 12:12:12
Well we're certainly no strangers to violence here, but it seems to me that no one is addressing the question of why do the youth feel the need to be violent? I can certainly agree that if money is set aside for more police then by all means that is where it should go. Money from the government for religious understanding? I don't see how that fits in unless that group is commiting alot of the violence.Now I am the first to admit that I'm no expert. But after raising two sons who I think turned out pretty good it seems to me that stopping the violence is going to have to start at home with good solid values. As I look in our cities the areas that are prone to violence have poor family structures. Just my opinion. Hope you get it sorted out.Cheers
30

Nellie,

Liverpool 10/08/2008 12:19:18
May be I'm missing something but I've been looking at the British Crime Survey and it shows levels of violent crime per 1000 people are no higher now than they were in 1981. They rose significantly and peaked in 1995, where after they have largely declined to the present day. And now, they are at the same level per 1000 people as they were in 1981! The BCS also shows that knife crime, as a proportion of all violent crime, has remained steady at below 8% across that entire period.

See http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/bcs25.pdf

Just in case my interpretation of the data were wrong I looked at the commentary of the report. It said, “Overall, according to the BCS, numbers of violent incidents have fallen back to similar levels to 25 years ago…The latest figures show a significant reduction of 43 per cent from the peak of 4.3 million violent crimes in 1995.” See that? "... similar levels to 25 years agp..." and "... significant reduction of 43% ... since 1995." THESE ARE THE GOVERNMENT'S OWN FIGURES.

Can anyone tell me, therefore, how is it that Brown et all are claiming knife crime has gone up? Is the BCS wrong or am I missing something? Is it that the politicians and commentators are counting the number of incidents without taking into consideration the rise in population? It would help if the commentators would state where they are getting their statistical information from, to back up their claims that knife crime is increasing.

Now, I'm NOT making light of knife crime. It's serious. But it has ALWAYS been serious, yet the Government's own figures appear to suggest it is no more serious now than it was 20 years ago. IF this is the case, why are they making such a who-har (sp.) about it now? Is it not likely that this growing "knife culture" might it be because an increased focus of attention on crimes involving knives are people into carrying knives? Is this a self-fulfilling prophecy?

If my judgment is wrong in this, someone
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Nellie,

Liverpool 10/08/2008 12:30:57
Ummm .... why are all these comments being removed? Nothing wrong with my last one, was there?
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Alberto.,

10/08/2008 12:48:43
"PM urges war on knife culture"

"GORDON Brown has conceded Government can never legislate knives off the streets"

****************

WOW! WOW! What foresight - any more wondrous thoughts of this nature and we certainly shall be thinking we really have got 'SUPERMAN' for a leader - but it seems very doubtful!

Get Away, Gordon, do you really think the Public is so thick as to not realise that!!!!

You could, of course, if it wasn't due to the ineptness and incompetence of New Labour, Legislate that any one found guilty of knife crime be locked up in prison for some considerable time, and ensure such a penalty is applied and served without reduction (if you really are concerned, even though your activity so far implies stagnation on the subject) Imprisonment, for long enough, would help to keep a few - maybe many, who knows, knives 'off the street' and out of some poor citizens body, which is where it really matters, and really hurts!!

I imagine, this is something you may have missed with obviously being 'well out of touch’ - as you appear to be, along with your Party colleagues!

Of course, you could arrange the possible helpful cure - to this frightening knife crime wave by building more prisons, speedily, otherwise you are on a definite loser to the next election - hopefully!
33

Alberto.,

10/08/2008 12:50:05
"PM urges war on knife culture"

"GORDON Brown has conceded Government can never legislate knives off the streets"

****************

WOW! WOW! What foresight - any more wondrous thoughts of this nature and we certainly shall be thinking we really have got 'SUPERMAN' for a leader - but it seems very doubtful!

Get Away, Gordon, do you really think the Public is so thick as to not realise that!!!!

You could, of course, if it wasn't due to the ineptness and incompetence of New Labour, Legislate that any one found guilty of knife crime be locked up in prison for some considerable time, and ensure such a penalty is applied and served without reduction (if you really are concerned, even though your activity so far implies stagnation on the subject) Imprisonment, for long enough, would help to keep a few - maybe many, who knows, knives 'off the street' and out of some poor citizens body, which is where it really matters, and really hurts!!

I imagine, this is something you may have missed with obviously being 'well out of touch’ - as you appear to be, along with your Party colleagues!

Of course, you could arrange the possible helpful cure - to this frightening knife crime wave by building more prisons, speedily, otherwise you are on a definite loser to the next election - hopefully!
34

Alberto.,

Ross-shire 10/08/2008 12:51:14
"PM urges war on knife culture"

"GORDON Brown has conceded Government can never legislate knives off the streets"

****************

WOW! WOW! What foresight - any more wondrous thoughts of this nature and we certainly shall be thinking we really have got 'SUPERMAN' for a leader - but it seems very doubtful!

Get Away, Gordon, do you really think the Public is so thick as to not realise that!!!!

You could, of course, if it wasn't due to the ineptness and incompetence of New Labour, Legislate that any one found guilty of knife crime be locked up in prison for some considerable time, and ensure such a penalty is applied and served without reduction (if you really are concerned, even though your activity so far implies stagnation on the subject) Imprisonment, for long enough, would help to keep a few - maybe many, who knows, knives 'off the street' and out of some poor citizens body, which is where it really matters, and really hurts!!

I imagine, this is something you may have missed with obviously being 'well out of touch’ - as you appear to be, along with your Party colleagues!

Of course, you could arrange the possible helpful cure - to this frightening knife crime wave by building more prisons, speedily, otherwise you are on a definite loser to the next election - hopefully!
35

whomthegodswishtodestroytheyfirstmakemad,

10/08/2008 13:21:04
What un earth has happened to all these comments, has th administrator gone MAD ??
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Lobo,

Texas 10/08/2008 14:01:28
How about giving the people the right back to protect themselves.
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Russell M,

Stirling 10/08/2008 14:01:32
Well this has got to be some kind of record. 977 comments removed by the administrator. I'm guessing by the few comments left that the problem was some kind of racist diatribe about Islamophobia. Well done to those responsible. Your obfuscation of the real issue the amazing self-confidence of British governments; Labour and Conservative alike who have proceeded with an extreme anti-self-defence agenda, although the agenda has never had much supporting evidence beyond the government's own platitudes.
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David55,

London 10/08/2008 14:27:08
There's nothing like a sensible well thought out debate.
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tommy,

belfast uk 10/08/2008 16:31:03
The comments-the greater majority are enough to make you see red
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Alberto.,

10/08/2008 19:37:53
Seems like a bad hair day for the administrator - surely that can't be that many folk getting things wrong - not with New Labour!!!!!
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Richard,

west lothian 10/08/2008 20:32:03
Testing!
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mcbogtrotter,

maccalifornia 10/08/2008 22:16:50
Soup Kitchen
You are wasting your time, you can not argue your way out of the Islam thing. You have to understand when someone has no real arguement they resort to calling you a racist or any number of names, because there is no real arguement why you should split a country apart because people can not live in their country of origin due to lack of freedom or jobs or what ever reason. They feel that they cannot make a difference or it might be dangerous for them. so why not go somewhere else and force your opinions and values on someone else where there is no danger.
This is happening all over the world, and societies are bending so as not to look bad in the court of world opinion.
It used to be a great honor to come to America to be an American and to melt into the pot and to earn your spot now it is about taking all that you can get away with and not honoring the country and society that you are taking from piety but that is the way of it.
I see in the Irish Independant they are lamenting the loss of all the house cleaners. Iam glad to see it this cheap labor allowing middle income people to have a maid or house cleaner is an abuse anyway it is just a way to subjugate someone poorer than you are and drives down labor costs. That is all that is happening in the US with our illegal immigrants.
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Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek Australia 11/08/2008 00:18:07
#24-1000, i bet you are real proud of yourself, how long have you been a DI.K H.AD, AND WHY DON,T YOU JUST STAY IN YOUR CAVE.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 11/08/2008 00:22:20
Any chance the removed "comments" i.e. malicious repetition to stifle debate could be removed within a reasonable timeframe so we can comment again?
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Nikostratos,

11/08/2008 17:11:15
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46

What is the Union Dividend anyway ?,

Self determination, not supplication 11/08/2008 19:25:31
Wee Wendy Alexander's probably wishing a knife ban was in place ages ago to prevent Mags Curran allegedly stabbing her in the back by leaking the wendygate emails.

Mags Curran is the Liebore career politician. For those with shortish memories, she is the MSP who claimed to have lived in Glasgow East for ages but in fact didn't; who criticised salmond for having two jobs, but stood for a second job as an MSP in Glasgow East herself and, unlike salmond, refused to say when she qould correct the two jobs issue, and finally - she is the one who lost a 13,500 majority in one of the safest seats in the UK for liebore and saw an area solidly liebore for 80 years pass to the nats.

Rumors that Mags had to stand or be exposed for exposing Wendy, and that people made her stand knowing this would fatally wound her becoming liebore leader in scotland are, of course, very true. Shame for the SNP really.
47

What is the Union Dividend anyway ?,

Self determination, not supplication 11/08/2008 19:28:34
#45

Only happens when the thread concerned is fairly safe.

No danger the 1000 spammed comments on the ctax thread will be sorted and more posting allowed, anytime at all, never mind soon.

My question is how come threads can be spammed out of existence ? Eg 1000 posts.

It is perfectly possible to block logins from posting. There are many people on this site who have attested to this and who have had logins blocked - and all of their comments deleted - because the moderator dislikes the content, and not because the content is sweary or libellous either.

Some people even claim certain poster logins are Hootsmon employees, claiming this to be proven by premidnight postings, and threads disliked for political content being "disappeared" quicker than an Argentinian dissident under Galtieri.

This might of course explain the spamming to 1000 when arguments are being lost and the deletion of logins and posts. Or there might be some innocent explanation maybe, but fact is the mods can indeed stop people posting to 1000 with nonsense easily as they block others all the time for nothing, so that they do not, well draw your own conclusions.

Expect this deleted for being a bit close to the truth no doubt, but if they really believe in freedom of speech, then maybe it will stay.

 

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