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Have you heard the one about the gagged comedians?



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Published Date: 02 November 2008
BACK in 2002, Russell Brand took to the stage during the Edinburgh Fringe Festival and launched into a jaw-dropping tirade about the murder of 10-year-olds Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
To prevent him from being lynched by irate audience members, the then largely unknown comedian was bundled off stage, kicking and screaming as he went, by bouncers.

Then, as now, Brand was later forced to apologise for vaulting across the invisibl
e line which divides cutting-edge humour from the downright offensive and indefensible.

The difference now is that Brand's latest lapse, aided and abetted by Jonathan Ross, was played out in front of an entire nation rather than in front of dozens of late-night comedy fans in an Edinburgh hall.

The episode, which has barged the looming recession and the American election from the front pages, has polarised the nation. It appears the skirmish will be the first in a protracted battle over the future of broadcasting and free speech in the UK.

But even the most zealous defenders of the two embattled presenters and the latter-day Mary Whitehouses, who have called for the ungallant pair to be tarred and feathered, can agree on one thing; that this is no longer a laughing matter.

The conservative press is crowing over the 37,000 complaints which saw Brand lose his show, Ross suspended without pay for three months, and the controller of Radio 2, Lesley Douglas, forced to fall on her sword.

They have successfully enlisted the Prime Minister in their campaign to have "filth" taken from our airwaves and replaced by more family-friendly fare.

The team behind BBC2's Mock The Week, the satirical show, are in the sights of the resurgent moral crusaders. Edgy Glaswegian comedian Frankie Boyle has been labelled "disgracefully foul" over an impersonation of the Queen he did in a recent show.

Another stand-up looking over his shoulder is Jimmy Carr, who described the incident as a "storm in a teacup", adding: "Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand are national institutions and I genuinely think it is an awful thing that Jonathan is not on television this week."

The BBC was forced to apologise in 2006 after Carr made a tasteless remark about gypsies on a Radio 4 show.

Radio 1 "shock jock" Chris Moyles was carpeted in the same year for referring to female listeners as "dirty whores" and using the word "gay" as a synonym for rubbish.

Comedy veteran Billy Connolly faced complaints in 2004 when he made an insensitive comment about Ken Bigley, who had been captured by militants in Iraq – and was subsequently murdered.

But many comedians are fighting back and are refusing to be cowed by the furore over so-called "Manuelgate".

Dara O'Briain, the presenter of BBC2's Mock The Week,

said: "We are now entering day seven of man-has-his-feelings-hurt-gate. I stand by 100% any of the things we've ever said. There's no way we can ever do a show while thinking 'Will David Davies MP approve of this?' Not all shows are intended for all people."

Celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay who has himself been criticised for his on-air swearing his also come to the defence of Ross and Brand.

He said: "Everyone's blown it out of proportion for goodness sake. They haven't done anything seriously bad. They've overstepped the mark, but they apologised, so let's get back to doing what they're good at doing."

The controversy was sparked when Brand and Ross left lewd messages on the answer machine of actor Andrew Sachs.

The broadcast itself sparked just two complaints, but when a London newspaper picked up the story it resulted in tens of thousands.

The battle lines are clear, with a Facebook site titled "Support Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross" attracting more than 30,000 members, 7,000 fewer than those who sent official messages of complaint to the BBC.

The episode is another blow for the BBC, which has been attacked in the past over its coverage of the Blair government's "sexed up" dossier on Iraq and the revelation of fake competitions.

There is a growing fear that the corporation will respond by "blanding down" and refusing to take risks with innovative programmes and broadcasters.

Lise Mayer, the co-writer of 1980s sitcom The Young Ones, said: "The result of this lamentable affair could well be to gag a generation of comic talent and stifle spontaneity and cutting-edge humour."

Yet there has been a groundswell of anger over the idea that two highly paid stars could humiliate a 78-year-old man on air with apparent impunity. Scotland's Culture Minister Linda Fabiani said: "This was very childish behaviour from two grown men who should really have known better."

Tory MP for Monmouth, David Davies said: "Ordinary decent people who are struggling to pay their mortgages must wonder why overpaid buffoons are being rewarded for making foul comments about an elderly man who has behaved with the utmost decorum."

It was reported last night that the Tories would cut the BBC licence fee in response to the lapses in judgment while an opinion poll found 75% of viewers would cut the licence fee altogether.

Ultimately, Brand could have the biggest laugh. Karen Coren, the director of Edinburgh's Gilded Balloon venue who helped give Brand his Fringe break, felt his career would be strengthened by the controversy. She said: "We would have Russell back like a shot. He could sell out any venue in Edinburgh for as long as he wanted.

"Russell is a really nice guy but he is young and can occasionally say foolish things when you put a microphone in front of him. But there are much worse things happening in the world than them fooling around."


Who's next for the Ross treatment?

Name: Frankie Boyle

Big break: BBC Scotland's The Live Floor Show, 2002

Controversial line: Nobody thought Mel Gibson could play a Scot but look at him now! Alcoholic and a racist!

Name: Jimmy Carr

Big break: Royal Variety Performance, 2002, and was chosen by Channel 4 to host game shows

Controversial line: No matter how much you give a homeless person for tea, you never get that tea.

Name: Billy Connolly

Big break: Parkinson show, 1975

Controversial line: I can't stand McDonalds staff who pretend they don't understand you unless you insert the "Mc" before the item you are ordering. It has to be a McChicken Burger, just a Chicken Burger gets blank looks. Well I'll have a McStraw and jam it in your McEyes you McTosser.

Name: Sacha Baron Cohen

Big break: The 11 O'Clock Show, 1998, as Ali G

Controversial line: (As Borat) "This my sister, she number two prostitute in all Khazakstan."

Keeping it clean

Name: Tim Vine

Big break: Winner of the Perrier Newcomer Award, Edinburgh Festival, 1995

Safe line: Velcro – what a rip-off!

Name: Les Dennis

Big break: Russ Abbot Show, 1980s

Safe line: (impersonation of Mavis Riley from Coronation Street): "Well I don't really know Rita"

Name: Ronnie Corbett

Big break: The Frost Report, 1966, when he first performed with Ronnie Barker

Safe line: If a man says something in the forest where no woman can hear him, is he still wrong?

Name: Jasper Carrott

Big break: Touring clubs in Solihull, spotted 1978

Safe line: I'm well famous in Birmingham



The full article contains 1235 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 02 November 2008 12:30 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: The BBC
 
1

H Callahan,

02/11/2008 00:08:22
'Lord Leith'....dearie me.
2

Alex Scott,

Glasgow 02/11/2008 00:50:20
Brand and Ross weren’t being castigated for a simple lapse of taste – after all, this is precisely what at least the former’s humour is based upon, as is a considerable proportion of the BBC’s output. Somewhere along the line it seems to have been forgotten that this pair ripped BBC editorial guidelines on privacy to shreds and would very possibly have been facing a charge of making obscene phone calls under the Telecommunications Act should Andrew Sachs have been willing to make a complaint to the police.

Thus, presenting this affair as simply an example of the ‘boundaries being pushed’ or that older people don’t understand or appreciate ‘edgy’ humour is disingenuous.
3

Finlang,

Switzerland 02/11/2008 01:53:51
#1
"Lord 'Leith'"? Huh? Hibs chairman?

#2
You hit the nail there. But in the final analysis, Brand and Ross are simply unfunny, talentless, grossly overpaid nonentities. Compare and contrast the cast of Mock the Week, for example.
4

GrahamR,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 02:12:47
Karen Coren, the director of Edinburgh's Gilded Balloon venue who helped give Brand his Fringe break, felt his career would be strengthened by the controversy. She said: "We would have Russell back like a shot. He could sell out any venue in Edinburgh for as long as he wanted.

Which is why I will not give any money at all to support the Ms Coren's enterprises here in Edinburgh. The best thing that happened to the Fringe was when the original Gilded Balloon burned to the ground. If only it had stayed that way.
5

somerferg,

perth 02/11/2008 02:19:58

Mmm well all I can say is that comedy must be in a really bad way if people think that Russell Brand is anything more than a moron and as for Jonafon Woss - I have always considered it something of a miracle that he has come as far as he has with such a miniscule amount of talent. Good riddance to them both.
6

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 02/11/2008 09:24:33
If you haven't read the entire transcript of the Ross/ Brand incident I recommend you do so - it will give you an appalling insight into these two sc*m. They didn't just go into details about how Brand had 'enjoyed' Sach's grand-daughter - they offered to come into Sachs bedroom and mast*rbate him as a way of saying they were sorry. This isn't adult humour, it's beyond the pale.
They should both be sacked and never paid from the public purse ever again; leave them to the patrons of the Gilded Balloon - let them waste their private ticket money on this filth.
7

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02/11/2008 10:24:10
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8

greenhill,

02/11/2008 11:38:32
Transcript Contd.

(Andrew Sachs’s answerphone message comes on for a second time.)
RB: Andrew this is Russell Brand. I’m so sorry about the last message. It was part of the radio show. It was a mistake.“
JR: “It was just a joke. If there is any truth in that, I don’t know. It was just a joke.”
RB: “It was just a joke that we done. I didn’t ask him to say it though...”
JR: “It might be true, but we didn’t want to break it to you in such a harsh way.”
RB: “Ok, look the truth is, Andrew I’m ringing you to ask if I can marry, that’s right marry your granddaughter, Georgina the granddaughter.”
JR: “And I’d like to be a page boy.”
RB: He wants to be a page boy. We’re going to have a Fawlty Towers-themed wedding.“
JR: “No, no, you’ve spoiled it...”
RB: “No I’m sorry I’ll do anything. I wore a condom. Put the phone down. Oh, what’s going to happen?...”
JR: “You’ll never become king rat in the Variety Club now Russell Brand.”
RB: “Oh no that’s over for me. I’m never going to be king rat in the Variety Club. Jonathan I think we’ve made the situation worse.”
JR: “Who’d have thought two people like us could possibly have made the situation worse.”
RB: “How could we with all our skills, our social skills, our talents our experiences.”
JR: “Our intentions were pure.”
RB: “You know the only way we can make this better don’t you?”
JR: “Let’s phone him again. Let’s leave a nice message.”
RB: “Listen, we’ve got to make it better. We’ll phone Andrew Sachs back. We’ve got to stop upsetting Manuel. This time Jonathan I’m convinced we can make it better.”
JR: “What should we not mention, the war?”
RB: “Don’t mention the war, don’t mention his granddaughter. Don’t say: ’You only ever played Manuel’... Don’t mention The Bill in a negative way. Yes! We’ll just sing to him. I’ll make up something as I go along.”
JR: “I’ll be Bing Crosby to your David Bowie.”
RB: “I’ve always seen our relationship as a Christmas-themed hit.”
(The answerphone me
9

greenhill,

02/11/2008 11:40:39
Part 3

RB: “I’ve always seen our relationship as a Christmas-themed hit.”
(The answerphone message plays again).
JR: (as the message plays): “She was bent over the couch...”
RB (singing): “I’d like to apologise for these terrible attacks - Andrew Sachs.
“I’d like to show contrition to the max, Andrew Sachs.
“I’d like to create world peace, between the yellow, whites and blacks Andrew Sachs, Andrew Sachs.
“I said some things I didn’t of oughta, like I had sex with your granddaughter.
“But it was consensual and she wasn’t menstrual it was consensual lovely sex.
“It’s full of respect. I sent her a text. I’ve asked her to marry me...
“Oh Andrew Sachs, will you marry Jonathan, it sounds like he wants to now.”
JR: “This has made it worse, I feel it’s made it worse, you’ve trivialised the whole terrible incident. It started fine and then you went on about nonsense.”
RB: “You said you wanted to marry him...”
JR: “I wasn’t really listening to you, I was concentrating on my back harmonies... There’s only one way we could possibly make this better.”
(Brand laughs)
RB: “What can we do?”
JR: “Let’s use up the rest of his tape, this time with a heartfelt and sincere apology... Pretend you’re Gordon Brown and make a beautiful speech rescuing the country from the credit crunch and rescue him from the inner turmoil you’ve caused by saying that you jumped on a relative.”
RB: “Yes, you’re right Jonathan, you’re right. Only by doing the exact thing that we’ve done three times already can we make the situation better.”
JR: “If you learn one thing from history, it’s do not repeat your mistakes.”
RB: “Don’t repeat them.”
JR: “So let’s do it right this time.”
RB: “Thank God Jonathan.”
JR: “Maybe this time... I want to do the song this time.”
RB: “You’re not doing the lyrics. You’ll balls it up. And can’t do backing it’s not in my nature.”
JR: “But you talked about his granddaughter’s menstruation.”
RB: “Look we’ve got a golden opportunity
10

greenhill,

02/11/2008 11:41:41
Part 4

RB: “Look we’ve got a golden opportunity here, to make Andrew Sachs happy.”
JR: “... we should go in a little bit more relaxed this time.”
RB: “Right yeah that’s true, let’s not look at this as the last time we’re going to call Andrew Sachs.”
(Ross laughs)
JR: “... The wonder of technology is such that we can keep doing this for hours.”
RB: “And even after the show’s finished Jonathan we can find out where Andrew Sachs lives, kick his front door in and scream apologies into his bottom... We can just keep on troubling Andrew Sachs... let’s do it, right, ok.
“You pretend you’re Andrew Sachs’s answerphone.”
JR: “Hello, Manuel is not in right now. Leave your message after the tone.”
RB (as the phone rings again): “Alright Andrew Sachs’s answerphone, I’m ever so sorry for what I said about Andrew Sachs.”
JR: “Just say: ’Sorry’.”
RB (laughing): “I’ll kill you!”
JR: “Don’t say you’ll wear him as a hat, just say: ’Sorry’.”
RB: “Sorry, right.”

11

FC Barcelona,

02/11/2008 11:50:15
#4 complete and utter prat, bet karen coren canny sleep at night, get over yerself !!
12

UserNameTaken,

Edinburgh 02/11/2008 12:05:37
Just do a google on "Mistress Voluptua" and figure out why Sachs didn't want any publicity over his poor innocent grand-daughter who's terribly embarrassed over the whole thing. The parents don't seem to be saying very much either - strange that.

She's the only one who's done well out of this - business is definitely on the up!
13

Douglas,

Bathgate 02/11/2008 13:29:21
How the mighty are fallen, aye, and this pair too.
I'm sure young Woss in particular is enjoying the various text message "jokes" doing the rounds regarding his own daughter.
14

Downhill from here,

02/11/2008 13:37:25
#4 & #11, "Karen Coren", dearie me.
15

Evia,

02/11/2008 15:16:04
These foul mouthed morons who call themselves comedians should not be appearing on our screens or radio. People who watch them are just as bad.
16

yoric,

02/11/2008 16:23:30
'Russel Brand, Jonathon Woss, a national institution'

Yeah, and there's a spaceship over my house at this moment.
17

Joe Macdelta.,

02/11/2008 16:45:49
Why have people like this on TV, this is certainly not entertainment, get some real comedians.
18

The Ayrshire Bard,

02/11/2008 17:06:41
Not a word of sympathy for the foul-mouthed morons by the posters in this paper. Their only support comes from equally foul-mouthed louts like Gordon Ramsey and the low-life female who'd be happy to have Brand at the Festival. There is a definite glimpse of improving standards and less of the f... word on tv and radio. We might even see the return of really funny shows although I'm not holding my breath.
19

Crimsonblog,

Leicester, England 03/11/2008 15:39:01
The Facebook group now has over 37,000 members with over 6,000 members on a similar Facebook group called "Don't sack Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand". !!!
20

Alberto.,

06/11/2008 21:14:37
I consider any 'alleged' Comedian, who is supposed to 'entertain with an accepted standard of decent humour' has completely failed at his task, if he thinks it necessary to bring in what is still considered 'foul' language to add to his 'Jokes' - and which it rarely does!

And isn't it surprising how they nearly all do it nowadays - but what a shame!

Listening to a joke concerning a man going bald would have been as funny, possibly even funnier, if he had not been referred to as a'F...ing' bald man - but there you have it! It seems to be down to the authorities to do something about it - the Comedians themselves cannot as they are failing in their performances and attitudes - miserably!

I noticed one previously very popular and 'generally' funny comic - at least I thought so, until I watched him in a normal interview - just a week or so ago, but it seemed as though now he couldn't say anything without the insertion of the 'F' word here and there even in his normal conversation! I feel sorry for him -obviously 'lost the plot!'

 

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