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Jack McConnell stays on to avert by-election



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Published Date: 05 October 2008
JACK McConnell's planned departure from Holyrood has been put on hold by Gordon Brown, ensuring that Labour will avoid a bruising by-election struggle against the SNP.
McConnell will not be sent to Malawi as the UK's High Commissioner until after the next Scottish elections in 2011, and is instead be made a personal envoy to Brown, working in the developing world. McConnell had been due to leave for Malawi next year, which would have triggered a by-election in his Motherwell and Wishaw seat.

But now he will stay in the seat, while taking on the one-day-a-week job for Brown.

The former first minister holds a huge majority, but Labour insiders have warned in recent months that they "do not want to fight a by-election anywhere in Scotland". Last night,

First Minister Alex Salmond described the move as "blatant political manipulation" to avoid a potentially humiliating defeat at the polls.

The SNP has just a one-seat advantage over Labour at Holyrood and an SNP win in McConnell's Motherwell and Wishaw constituency would have increased that to three.

McConnell's new job, confirmed by Brown last night, is as a Special Envoy for Conflict Resolution, working with the United Nations, the African Union and the European Union. He will be asked to put forward proposals on how the global community should seek to step into nations following conflicts in order to start the process of redevelopment. McConnell said last night: "I've been to Rwanda in the past year and I have seen the absolute devastation that genocide and civil war can bring. The world must help countries out of that situation more effectively and Britain can lead the way with concrete proposals."

Asked whether the move was simply a way of delaying his departure for Malawi and thereby preventing a by-election, McConnell said: "This is a serious job. I am very pleased that I have received a lot of representations from many constituents who wanted me to carry on my duties as an MSP. I will now be able to do that."

A Downing Street source said: "He and the Prime Minister have been discussing this for some time and we are confident that he has a real contribution to make."

Labour insiders insisted last night that the fact that the party would not now have to fight a by-election was simply a helpful by-product of the move and not the main reason for the decision. Brown's aides point out that the post will also prepare McConnell for the Malawi job, ensuring he is better equipped to assume his responsibilities.

McConnell was named as the next High Commissioner for Malawi when he quit as Scottish Labour leader last summer. It followed his visit to the country as First Minister when he started a Scottish Government development programme. With the High Commissioner due to retire early next year, it was widely expected that McConnell would have to quit soon. Westminster's Foreign Affairs Committee last year said that the former first minister should quit as an MSP in good time prior to the appointment.

But Salmond last night blasted the development, saying: "Jack McConnell was offered the post in Malawi because of his interest and involvement in the country, not because he was a professional diplomat. But this seems like creating a post simply to avoid a by-election.

"Labour now has a Scottish Secretary without a job but with a campaigning role – and now they have a roving envoy who wants to stay on as an MSP. This is blatant political manipulation in order to avoid defeat in a by-election."

He added: "It is a sign of how out of touch they are that Labour think they can manipulate the process in this way."

McConnell won 48% of the vote in Motherwell and Wishaw last year, compared with the SNP's 24%. But after the Glasgow East by-election defeat, Labour chiefs fear they could face losses almost anywhere in the country.

The SNP is the 4-1 odds on favourite to win the Glenrothes by-election, expected to take place next month, even though Labour had a 10,000 majority there only three years ago.

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  • Last Updated: 05 October 2008 12:22 AM
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1

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 00:01:07
how feart are labour. I wonder how long it took them to work out that little charade.

wont make any difference in the long run.

the labour party must have every spade in the country in use what with the way they keep digging.
2

gus1940,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 00:05:08
And who is going to fill the soon to be vacant position of High Commissioner to Malawi?
3

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 00:16:08
The Labour Party (Scotland) swivel chairs in Holyrood could look like "that" scene in Psycho before this is over.
4

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 00:17:40
Adds a whole new meaning to the Norman power.
5

Shellfishfarmer,

Inverness 05/10/2008 00:27:05
This reminds of the impending disaster awaiting those close to the San Andreas fault line. Labour is making so many inept political moves to avoid the reality that it has run out of ideas and energy that the longer matters are delayed, the more frustrated people will become - result a complete wipe out in Scotland. The Labour insiders (Frank Roy perchance?)are complete idiots if they think we will swallow the line that the people of Motherwell want Joke to stay on. He is a complete nomark, who was an embarrassment to Scotland and who should never have been proposed for the Malawi job in the first place. How on earth he can dream up Third World policy while still being a constituency MSP beats me. On second thoughts, perhaps it is his experience in Motherwell that will serve him well, because that is where we were all headed after 50 years of North Lanarkshire Mafia being in charge of politics in Scotland, until recently. Thank goodness we have found an alternative in the SNP.
6

Jimmy Le Pie,

05/10/2008 00:27:57
All that Comrade Broon is doing , is delaying the utter humiliation that he's heading for.

No amount of subterfuge and delaying will make any difference.

The electorate have seen New Labour Sleaze and Corruption for what they are - self serving, corrupt, without principle and soon to disappear
7

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

05/10/2008 00:34:44


Brown in a display of sheer terror and cowardice
8

subrosa,

05/10/2008 00:40:30
What an insult to the people of Malawi.

The Herald says the job involves two days a week. How is Joke able to be a full time MSP and work at another job for 2/5ths of his working week?

His electorate will tell him in 2011.
9

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 00:54:18
#8 Col Blimp

You said a while ago that you've been an SNP activist for about 30 years. Doesn't such language breach your party's code of conduct?
10

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 00:54:45
Easy on, ColB@8, are you trying to get yourself moderated? Western oriental gentlemen are human beings.
11

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 00:56:59
Jeez. I just agreed with AMtwa - dear lord, can I still be saved?
12

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 00:59:51
So it's official then. The new uniform is Broon Troosers.
13

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 01:00:47
As worn by the Broon True Sirs
14

Team Scotland,

Fear its self 05/10/2008 01:07:33
Q. Why did Gordon and Jack not toast the new appointment?

A. They have no bottle.
15

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 05/10/2008 01:15:19
Apart from anything else, Why will McConnell be picking up his full MSP salary, when only working part time? His one-day-a-week outing for Gordon Brown is on a 'reserved' Westminster matter.

Salmond was not exaggerating when saying this was "blatant political manipulation". It's also misuse of taxpayers' money at a time when the country needs as much of this money as possible.

It seems Brown's cabinet and special advisor changes, have capitulated him and Labour back into the arms of serious spin. The Prince of Darkness returns.
16

Marky Bhoy,

Annoyed 05/10/2008 01:17:23

This reeks of complete and Utter cowardice

Fae anither Fifer whits wrang Gogs feart aff oor verdict
17

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 05/10/2008 01:18:15
But if Jack is to do this job seriously then surely that's even more reason for a by-election and as soon as possible, apart from anything else it would let his constituents express their vews on Jack 'shootin the craw'.

It is of course an insult to everyone involved except Brown and McConnell.
18

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 05/10/2008 01:20:08
No quote on this matter from Lord Foulkes I see, how strange!
19

walter,

05/10/2008 01:26:52
#9 the job involves two days a week. How is Joke able to be a full time MSP and work at another job for 2/5ths of his working week?

Wrong way to go lets not forget Salmond is FM for Scotland as well as MSP for Gordon as well as MP for Banff and Buchan.
One could ask how Salmond can be a full time MSP when he is also FM and a MP, or full time MP when he is also FM and a MSP, or full time FM when he is a MP and MSP.
Then on top of all that he is also the leader of the SNP, That is four jobs.
20

donald,

glasgow 05/10/2008 01:34:34
MacConnell for the cooking pot.
21

walter,

05/10/2008 01:40:19
#17
Why does Salmond pick up his full MP salary? he is after all a MSP for a different constituency.
He cannot be representing his constituents in Banff and Buchan at Westminster full time as their MP when he is also representing the constituents of Gordon as a MSP at Holyrood so why is he picking up a full time MPs salary?.
22

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 01:44:05
Easy on Walter@21. Broon is Pm, Leader of the Labour Party, Leader of the Labour Party (Scotland), MP for Kirkcaldy, caretaker of Glenrothes and Lord Protector of the Glorious Union.
23

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 01:47:58
23, walter. I f you have a particular problem with Salmond then I suggest you take it up in Banff & Buchan and Gordon simultaneously.
24

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/10/2008 01:50:20
Might I ask walter who he would prefer as FM?
25

Colin P,

05/10/2008 02:17:49
I'm curious.
If McConnell heads off to Malawi 2 days a week....who pays all that airfare..and insurance?
26

walter,

05/10/2008 02:39:49
I have no problem Salmond or any one else being doubled or even trebled hatted, I do have a problem when those that support one person who is doubled or treble hatted criticizing another who they do not support being the same.
Although I do not support the policies of all the opposition parties I am a Unionist so I would prefer any one except Salmond or any nationalist as FM.
I now expect the normal derogatory comments directed at me by those who believe that I should not be allowed to express my views on what I see to be in Scotland's best interest as it does not coincide with the views of those who wish independence.
27

Guga II,

Rockall 05/10/2008 05:11:26
How much of the taxpayers money will wee Joke be getting for his one day a week job? And will it be one day a week or will he be flying around to various sunglasses conferences at the taxpayers expense?

The whole thing reeks of typical Labour Party "jobs for the boys", as well as showing how scared Maggie Broon is to face the Scottish electorate.

#11 Jock.

Even AM Squared is rumoured to be a human being.

28

izzie,

dundee 05/10/2008 05:44:53
Speaking of by elections Parliament resumes this week surely the writ for Glenrothes will be moved. Labour can't ignore it ... can they?
29

terry osser,

morden 05/10/2008 06:13:24
remind me why is mcconnel ex-first minister
30

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 06:13:49
As they used to say when I was a knee-skinned nipper with sugar mice and conkers in his pocket: COWARDY, COWARDY CUSTARD; a strange saying, but in this instance, can anyone think of a better one ? And is Scottish Labour now beyong contempt?
31

Pilrig,

Livingston 05/10/2008 06:22:36
Nu Lab feart of the democratic process ? Ditto the two anonymous Labour voters who were reperted yesterday trying to bring in a legal bid to bar the Scots Parliament from discussing an independence referendum.
32

Finnzz,

Offshore 05/10/2008 06:54:45
It is, of course correct that the Labour Party should fear the prospect of any demonstration of voter sympathies in Scotland (or the UK).
But the manner of this announcement and its particular timing demonstrates the contempt that the electorate is being held in by Brown and his cohorts.

For McConnell, he should be very wary of being associated in any way with this PM.
33

democracy,

Scottish Borders 05/10/2008 07:03:56
#10 AM2, if Col.Blimp is in fact an SNP activist then it does indeed breach the party's code of conduct and does not actively seek members who are capable of such conduct, as would apply to any other parties activists who behave in this manner!
34

democracy,

Scottish Borders 05/10/2008 07:08:06
Poor Joke McConnell, he's doomed if he does and doomed if he doesn't!!
35

LEAL,

05/10/2008 07:09:08
2 gus1940
Good point.Is the current High Commissioner staying on an extra while?If so,why the need for a special envoy?
36

LEAL,

05/10/2008 07:14:18
Walter 21
Thats the first time in a while I have heard anyone mention Mr Salmonds role as MP for Banff and Buchan.Surely because none of the London based parties want to get a threshing in a byelection.
37

Nikostratos,

05/10/2008 07:52:13
Well done Gordy and Jack don't give the snp even a tiny chance .

And when you see #8 you know the snp have total racist scum within their organization.
38

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 05/10/2008 07:53:09
Malawi's gain is Motherwell and Wishaw's loss - McConnell, a toom tabard when he was first Minister, is staying in Scotland.

Brown has bottled it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giUZYyxKE0g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey-5ymkm784
39

Boy Wonder,

05/10/2008 07:58:01
Waitaminnit!!!!

"The SNP has just a one-seat advantage over Labour at Holyrood and an SNP win in McConnell's Motherwell and Wishaw constituency would have increased that to three."

Who's doing the math??

Or is there another seat New Labour's already given up on???

40

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 05/10/2008 08:03:57
Col B #8 proves once more that SNP supporters are racists.

Never forget that the X in the Nationalists' Saltire is for Xenophobe.
41

Thomas1,

// 05/10/2008 08:05:54
In the end this will be counter productive for labour and as for the folk of Motherwell and Wishaw it must be absolutely devastating.
42

BIG EYE,

Paisley 05/10/2008 08:25:21
Come on Jack you can do better than this!

Let's all remember this was the pay off for Jack to stand down so the bold Wendy of £950 fame could take over as Labour leader.

Then we had stories that Jack was threatening to stand down early causing a by election if GB didn't keep his promise and send Jack to the Lords or go ahead with the Malawi appointment.

Now this has been downgraded to special envoy and he will only be appointed to Malawi IF GB wins the next election and is still about in 2011.

Now to any normal person all the above means...Jack yer no going!

Cue Party time in Malawi!
43

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 08:36:34
Er, I thought a certain Mr. Gray was in charge of the Labour Party in the Scottish Parliament. I DO hope he was consulted about this.....
44

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05/10/2008 08:37:45
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45

Rufus T. Firefly,

05/10/2008 08:51:20
#42 Boy Wonder, do you want me to send you a calculator?
46

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05/10/2008 08:52:22
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47

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 08:56:57
It makes complete sense from a Labour point of view.

However, on the other hand, it does not say much about the confidence the Party has in the calibre of Labour parliamentary candidates, or it's strategic ability to counter the Nationalists?





48

James Donald,

Newbridge 05/10/2008 09:08:26
#42 Boy Wonder - "Who's doing the math??" - Not you obviously. You should not need #48s calculator for this one.
49

Dick Lynas,

Glasgow 05/10/2008 09:12:29
Does this mean that Jack's disgraceful raid upon the purse of the Scottish taxpayer to provide Malawi with support that we were ALREADY contributing to courtesy of the Department for International Development will cease? International development is still, after all, a Westminster matter and is not designed to enhance the reputation of soon-to-be out-of-work Scottish MSPs
50

TWC,

Ayrshire 05/10/2008 09:21:20
Is this not because the church rejected him because of the gay rights question.
Why doesn't Broon just come up with an idea for Scotland, a finance plan or some policies. Labour are stagnant.
51

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 05/10/2008 09:27:21
43 Rulesbutnotrulers: I am an SNP supporter and I agree that this post is racist, and I have reported it as unsuitable, and wait for it to be removed.

Your conclusion from this, that all SNP supporters are racist, is self-serving nonsense. A percentage of every political party is racist - in the BNP, 100%; in the Tories and UKIP, high; in the the SNP - negligible.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nZJuIO6KhMY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giUZYyxKE0g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey-5ymkm784
52

BIG EYE,

Paisley 05/10/2008 09:28:25
Just watch, Jack will be announced as a LORD in the next year or so!

Jack's not so stupid as to pin his hopes on a Brown Vicory in 2010, is he?
53

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 05/10/2008 09:33:21
Re #55
I left out Labour. Once, I could have said confidently that the percentage of racists was low. Now, who knows what this feeble, expedient, values-free party believes?
54

Boy Wonder,

05/10/2008 09:44:15
#48 & #52. Look! It's Sunday ... it was early ... I hadn't had my coffee and black pudding rolls yet ... gimme a soddin' break!!!
55

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05/10/2008 09:47:05
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56

GM,

05/10/2008 09:50:45
@57

have no doubt. There are as many racist labour supporters in scotland as there are SNP. There is no reason to suppose otherwise.

They will paint a picture that 'patriotism' = 'nationalism' = 'racism' and that it only applies to scottish nationalists, *not* British nationalists.

When you see it in those terms its very clear how bizarre it all is.



Col Blimp has not only let himself down (everyone knows W*G in this day and age is an unacceptable term) but it also gives AM2 a nice wee quote for his own racist, petty, completely biased and selective blog.

57

Gerry McGuigan,

Dundee 05/10/2008 10:02:56
Des Brown said that Iain Gray was the leader of the lab quislings in the "Holyrood Parliament". Seems that Des forgot to tell Gordon.
58

brownlie,

05/10/2008 10:19:36
43 Rules

"Col.B#8 proves once more the SNP supporters are racist"

It does not prove anything of the kind.

By your reasoning, if Col.B has a bald head then all SNP supporters have a bald head.

I am truly surprised that some-one of your intelligence posts in this silly manner.
59

Marian,

05/10/2008 10:30:40
So exactly how is Jack McConnell going to carry out his job properly as an MSP to his constituents and the Scots Parliament when he is employed as Mr Bean's "Special Envoy" to Africa. If this undemocratic obscenity had been done by any other Scots political party the New Labour party and its media acolytes would be demanding the resignation of the MSP in question.
60

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 05/10/2008 10:34:18
No change from Gordon Brown - running scared as usual. Both he & Jack McConnel have again shown their true colours, and they're not blue and white.









Yours etc

Angus Whitton
61

brownlie,

05/10/2008 10:35:49
62 Col.B

At an Eric Bogle concert an audience, who must have been well aware of his views on human rights and war, were astounded when he began to sing this song until they realised what it was really about.
62

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 10:39:33
#60 GM

My blog includes certain racist and otherwise offensive comments by SNP politicians and supporters. Their inclusion, within a context in which I clearly express disapproval, doesn't make me - or it - racist!

The reproduction of such comments is intended to indicate that nationalism (even of the "civic" variety) particularly appeals to some people with such views. It is certainly not intended to indicate that all SNP supporters are racist. Clearly that's far from being the case.

I've never seen anything like post #8 before. Anti-English comments on forums like these are very common. But anti-black? That's a first for me. And as it's in no way symptomatic of a wider malaise, there would be nothing to be gained by reproducing it.
63

Electric Hermit,

05/10/2008 10:47:52
23 walter, 05/10/2008 01:40:19
Why does Salmond pick up his full MP salary? he is after all a MSP for a different constituency.

Simply because the rules governing these matters require that he do so. It is not a matter of personal choice. He is entitled to the full salary as MP for Banff and Buchan as well as one third of the salary as MSP for Gordon. Salmond offered to forego one of these, but was advised by officials that there was no mechanism for doing so. His MSP salary is instead paid into a charitable trust.
64

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 11:00:21
Come on Labourtorires, confirm when the Glenrothes bye-election will be held?

What is it that you are afraid of?
65

somerferg,

perth 05/10/2008 11:02:02

The only thing funnier than wee joke McFlannell staying behind to run the Liebour party campaign are the clowns or shuld that be monkeys who still think the Liebour party is good for Scotland - get with it people the ONLY party that will ever look after the interests of Scotland are the SNP - plain and simple and not too difficult for you to understand. Well it would be easy if you didn't spend all your time and energy slagging off Alex Salmond.
66

GM,

05/10/2008 11:03:04
@68

well how about you put some balance on your blog along the lines of "It is not intended to indicate that all SNP supporters are racist. Clearly that's far from being the case."

somewhere prominent.
67

GM,

05/10/2008 11:04:25
@64

Ah!

I understand now -

difficult in this medium to get across exactly what you mean and I admit to not picking up the inference that the 'W*Gs' comment was referring to 'British Imperialism'.

apologies.
68

mac77,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 11:05:13
No comment except: hee hee hee hee.....at least Blair was good at spin!
69

Peter Curran,

Kikliston 05/10/2008 11:09:08
#68 AM2

The fact that somemone posts a racist comment on your blog does not make you a racist, but if you do not delete these comments, you are open to the charge that you are exploiting racism by failing to expunge them immediately. If you are selectively leaving up only racist comments from those claiming to be SNP supporters, you are open to an even more serious charge.

But I should say that I have not read your blog, but I will do so if you care to post the URL.
70

subrosa,

05/10/2008 11:11:04
# 21

I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Alex Salmond works part-time in Africa.
71

Scotish Exile,

05/10/2008 11:11:35
Brown the clown is a CHICKEN,personal envoy my ar*e, more like brown noser. Jobs for the boys. We need a revolution in this country, to rid ourselves forever of these corrupt politicians
72

roughrider,

Glasgow 05/10/2008 11:47:54
Broon is keechin himself.
The smell is getting worse from these liebour democracy manipulating slime balls.
73

dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 11:52:00
Poor Jack always in the news for the wrong reasons, there is no way he would have went to africa after the row about gay rights, the Malawi's have got off lightly and why do the English parliment need a 'High Commisioner' anyway, the empire is long gone and so will the 'Union' soon.

AM2 your blog is not only racist and selective it is also an outlet for your obvious bigotry of the orange flavour, we dont need your kind in Scotland so go home to your beloved England or NI, begone you bigot
74

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 05/10/2008 12:23:41
#43 At least you had a chance to read the post before AM2 had it removed.
75

Gordon, Canonmills,

05/10/2008 12:32:03
43

"Never forget that the X in the Nationalists' Saltire is for Xenophobe."

What a strange and misguided observation.

So you think that the Saltire is the flag of the Nationalists?

Surely it is the flag of ALL Scots.
76

irenecu,

Kirkcaldy 05/10/2008 12:49:57
#80
I would surmise that to still vote Labour,you would generally fall into one of two categories.
Either being intellectually challenged,or an orange order type.
Those that support the latter are consequently most often the former as well.
It's very difficult to comprehend otherwise,why anyone would think they serve Scotlands interests better than the SNP.
77

Herne the Hunter,

All of Scotland 05/10/2008 12:52:24
So African Jack is no going tae Malawi,Livingstone must be rolling in his grave. A political party that is afraid of democracy is one step away from Stalinism.
78

dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 12:58:17
#85
I think that is a fair point but the thing is they are not interested in Scotlands interests only that of the union and in the best interests of the union this type of 'orange' bogotry is the age old English Empire ploy of 'divide and conquer'

Independance will not stop this but it will make us all pull in the same direction for the benifit of Scotland not union.
79

walter,

05/10/2008 13:02:38
#77
Well of coarse I am not going to correct you as you know full well that he does not work part time in Africa.
The fact remains you tried to criticize McConnell for not representing his constituents full time when the leader of the party you support does not represent his constituents full time.

#70
There is no need for you to explain that to me I know that he when pushed on the matter that he stated he would only collect one salary but collected two he then gave one of his salaries to the charity run by his mother and kept the other (higher) one.
My post at 23 was in response to post 17 who was criticizing McConnell for collecting a full time salary when he will only be doing the job part time by pointing out that Salmond does the job of MP for Banff and Buchan part time but collects a full time salary.
80

dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 13:14:46
Alex Salmond is the first minister of Scotland, soon to be president of the 'Republic of Scotland' and then 'King' of all scots, why should we not pay the man, he does a sight better at protecting Scotlands interest than as Alex Neil put it the last shower of bast*rds
81

PJ07,

05/10/2008 13:14:55
Labour, "Tough on democracy, Tough on the causes of democracy."

AM2, Walter, RBNRFNS, sad racists the lot. Defending such an anti democratic move just because of their beloved union.
They truly are Quislings and collaberators. True born BNP members the lot.


82

dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 13:15:49
AM2 your blog is not only racist and selective it is also an outlet for your obvious bigotry of the orange flavour, we dont need your kind in Scotland so go home to your beloved England or NI, begone you bigot
83

BIG EYE,

Paisley 05/10/2008 13:16:24
Alex Salmond only takes one salary, the other salary is donated to charity.

Is this what Jack is planning to do?
84

Brian Hill,

05/10/2008 13:57:01
That's more good news for the SNP in Glenrothes. Clearly Labour's private polling in Motherwell shows it is likely to fall to the SNP.

Motherwell is in the hitherto less favourable West for the SNP whereas Glenrothes has a long history of SNP council victories stretching back to 1968 (including the shock defeat of Henry McLeish in 1977) and of course last year's Holyrood win for Tricia Marwick.

If Motherwell is seen as a loss, Glenrothes is looking better than ever today.

Having said that, Brown's campaigning will narrow the gap i.e. having the Prime Minister asking you personally for your vote will have a far greater effect than a local headmaster asking.

Each person asked by the PM will tell 100 others and so it goes on. In short Brown will make a difference.

I understand there is very little sign of SNP activity in Glenrothes, not very clever I would have thought as a 'high viz' campaign would further demoralise Labour voters and workers.

Now they are likely to be uplifted by the presence of Brown, even if he is only there for a few visits.

So come on SNP campaign team, get campaigning to maintain your strong lead.
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Hubble,

05/10/2008 14:04:16
Hi #68 AM2- I've not read your blog, but if it is as reported, then it is rather narrow for you to use an example like that. There are racists in all parties and racists in the wider population.

It is a frankly stupid smear to try to link the SNP with racism in that way.

It simply makes you look like an idiot - and somewhat myopic in your own views.

Hint: If you are trying to influence opinion, it is useful to make a credible argument.
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willyam7,

leadhills 05/10/2008 14:58:13
prudence broon will have to anounce the glenrothes by election date no later that the 16th october if the election is to be held on 06 november 2008. minimum of 3, weeks notes then again the blue slab numpty party are a law unto themselves and have a free hand to break any laws as they seem fit, when are they going to hand over the 4.2 billion pounds that they have robbed scotland out of over the past year. they are nothing but a shower of bar steward,s.
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izzie,

dundee 05/10/2008 15:09:40
Oh goody October 16th coincides with the opening of the SNP conference in Perth what a lift this will give to the campaign.
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Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 05/10/2008 15:10:02
Has Gordon Brown the right to turn Jack McConnell, a member of the Scottish Parliament, elected to serve the people of Motherwell and Wishaw, into a part-time MSP?

Whether he has that right legally or not, it is morally wrong, and a denial of the democratic rights of the electors of Motherwell and Wishaw, who at the very least should have been consulted, since they are being denied their right to a by-election.

I make this point in the context of supporting fully the need to contribute to the countries of the "developing world", as the article describes them. Such posts should, in my view, be given to the many able, committed and experienced people who are not elected MSPs. Brown had no problem in giving Mandelson a senior post in his government even though he is not an MP, by the old trick of making a Lord of him.

The voters of Glenrothes will doubtless take note of what might happen to their representation if they vote for a Labour MP. I am confident that they have the good sense not to do that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey-5ymkm784
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Paddi,

05/10/2008 15:17:34
No chance of democracy being seen to be done then.
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The Artic Fox,

Canada (formally of Shettleston - Glasgow East) 05/10/2008 15:36:24
Having a cretin of a politician fill a senior diplomatic position isn't new....Chris Patten was appointed as the last Governor General of Hong Kong before the handover to China in 1997, as a result the Tories very nearly screwed up matters royally...I suppose Labour are determined to press on with the Tory Raving Loonie Party's blueprint on all policy areas.

Long may they continue towards the same predictable finale, oblivion hopefully.
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Calum10,

05/10/2008 16:15:43
Well it looks like the furthest Jack McConnell will travel is to Majorca for a another free holiday with the Warks. I suppose Bridget will be happy too, the show shops Malawi were downright awful.
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FrancesP,

05/10/2008 16:26:22
Jim Murphy appeared before a Westminster committee a few months ago and went out of his way to 'correct' an SNP MP who dared to casually refer to Alex Salmond's administration as a government - 'it's an executive not a government' he rather smugly insisted.

Extremely curious, then, to see him on the Politics Show a few hours ago going out of his way to say something like 'it's right that we call them a government, because that's what they are'. I'm always happy to welcome a repentant sinner, but what on earth might have caused this sudden change of heart? I wouldn't dare to suggest it was some kind of tactical consideration on Labour's part, otherwise Jim Murphy might think I was being - in his new favourite word - 'petty'.

But there again, perhaps he should take a moment to ponder his own track record, and ask - "mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the pettiest of them all?"
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John S,

05/10/2008 16:33:11
#49:The McKellarator.Interesting to read I would say our Jack already has problems in Malawi.From the Nyasatimes:-
Malawian Gay Rights Movement. We are anxiously waiting for the arrival of Jack McConnell. He supports gay rights.
.... of the opposition Malawi Congress Party did not rule out the possibility of a campaign to replace McConnell as High Commissioner.
He (Jack McConnell)will not influence any policy in this country. Personally, I wouldn't think he's welcome in Malawi. As a human being he can come and visit us, no problem.” http://tinyurl.com/4bscx2
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argonaut,

east lothian 05/10/2008 16:33:29
is this like a joke ?? the malawi job was supposed to have been a done deal for McConnell - he even had quotes to move his belongings to Malawi
political trickery from a labour party with no bottle,rather than fight and attempt to defend McConnells seat - Brown orders this - anything to avoid a by election. it gives you an insight into the minds of the clowns that make these decisions. McConnell stays as msp, mandelson is back, UK general says we cant win afghanistan - scots soldiers die for what, banks collapse. the end is nigh for labour
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argonaut,

east lothian 05/10/2008 16:40:40
folks just blank AM2.....he's been spouting orange for years now. I remember him well from pre election blogs - the funny thing is....has anyone seen the spoof cadburys gorilla scene ' sons of larkhall ' - youtube it if not! when i first saw this spoof...AM2's appearance was revealed to me ....Truly !
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Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 05/10/2008 16:52:33
Perhaps Kirsty Wark, a Scot who found the high road to English media stardom attractive, will support her friend Jack McConnell in his grief at losing the High Commissioner post. It seems unlikely that she will wish to support the First Minister of Scotland in his pursuit of independence for her native land.

But perhaps her view of Alex Salmond has changed - she has assured us of her total professional objectivity, and we must accept those assurances in good faith from a fellow Scot.

She might even join him in singing a wee song for Scottish freedom, or even feature a duet on 'Newsnight Review', although the little song can hardly be described as Art.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nZJuIO6KhMY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giUZYyxKE0g
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Rufus T. Firefly,

05/10/2008 16:55:33
Yeah lets all ignore AM2, because Argonaut says so.

Or then again maybe not.

There is no need to tell people to ignore Argonaut mind you.
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bumpkin,

05/10/2008 17:18:26
jack did one good thing, he gave us tenant farmers a pre- emptive right to buy, so our farm couldnt be sold out from underneath us any more.
Should have gone further to allow us to assign the lease outwith the family, but credit where credit is due.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

05/10/2008 17:54:52
#68 Spot on
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brownlie,

05/10/2008 17:55:43
108 Rufus

Quite right, AM2 does more for Scottish independence than most posters on here.
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notime4anovice,

glasgow 05/10/2008 18:19:18
When Jack does get to Malawi he's got his work cut out. Although I expect he knows about the problems.
I was bored so I did a quick search for Malawi.
It's a hot landlocked country in South East Africa.
Average life expectancy is 43. The population is about 14 million with 900,000 having AIDS and 84,000 dying of AIDS each year. The average wage is $800 a year and 50% of their export is tobacco.
I think I'd stay in Motherwell.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 18:24:47
doesnt jacks new job breach the code of conduct for MSps?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

05/10/2008 18:26:06
112 Brownlie.

Thats why he/she always has you Gnats in such a panic.

AM2 regularly ties you all up in knots, and the standard Gnat reply seems to be to resort to personal abuse.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

05/10/2008 18:30:19
#113 The average wage in Malawi will seem like a Kings Ransom compared to the average wage in Scotland if we ever got independence.
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WL,

livingston 05/10/2008 18:35:22
The Labour & Unionist Party must be very worried that the SNP will win another by-election.
McConnell should go to Malawi now and stay there for the rest of his life.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 18:40:15
anyone got a link to this blog of am2s so i can judge for myself.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 05/10/2008 18:42:26
#58 Boy Wonder - Now that you've had your healthy breakfast you can do the math, right? Careful now, too much caffine can make some people tetchy.
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05/10/2008 18:51:20
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05/10/2008 18:58:42
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notime4anovice,

glasgow 05/10/2008 19:05:51
#116 Rufus

If we did get Independence then we would no longer have the burden of Trident, ID cards, NHS computer schemes, Iraq war and Afghan war. This would allow funds to be re allocated to supporting business and eductaion in Scotland and would boost wages.
We'd also avoid having to be governed by unelected slimeballs like Mandelson.
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notime4anovice,

glasgow 05/10/2008 19:07:30
oops should have said educaishun not eductaion
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Anne,

Eaglesham 05/10/2008 19:07:51
To see what the labour Party really thins of Scotland, take a look at John prescott on the BBC!



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7653579.stm
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 19:10:10
123 cheers niko.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 19:17:58
have to say i agree with the poster who said that it was racist it is.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 19:32:13
has anyone seen the vid of prescott on the beeb what a terrible way for a member of parliament to behave.

but then again i suppose we cant expect any better from a LABOUR MP.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7653579.stm
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Kyle N Carrick,

05/10/2008 19:44:36
128 hoos poos
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Nikostratos,

05/10/2008 20:07:56
I have climbed highest mountain
I have run through the fields
Only to be with you
Only to be with you

I have run
I have crawled
I have scaled these city walls
These city walls
Only to be with you

But I still havent found what Im looking for
But I still havent found what Im looking for

I have kissed honey lips
Felt the healing in her fingertips
It burned like fire
This burning desire

I have spoke with the tongue of angels
I have held the hand of a devil
It was warm in the night
I was cold as a stone

But I still havent found what Im looking for
But I still havent found what Im looking for

I believe in the kingdom come
Then all the colors will bleed into one
Bleed into one
Well yes Im still running

You broke the bonds and you
Loosed the chains
Carried the cross
Of my shame
Of my shame
You know I believed it

But I still havent found what Im looking for
But I still havent found what Im looking for
But I still havent found what Im looking for
But I still havent found what Im looking for...
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Eyesrolledindespair,

Florrididdle 05/10/2008 20:11:50
Yup Karin - saw it!

He just can't help himself...
Oh well, can only boost support for any party other than Labour - that kind of behaviour.

So adult. So mature.

It's seems to be the general opinion of Labour Party to public opinion... two fingers of scorn.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 20:29:35
i just made this up thought i would share it.

they seek him here
they seek him there
those malawians seek him everywhere
is he in africa or motherwell
that damned elusive jack mcconnell.
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Kyle N Carrick,

05/10/2008 20:30:41
131. Not bad at your age.

You missed out the labour supporter bits about selling every principle and policy you ever believed in as you scampered up the mountains though
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 20:43:04
right has anyone uploaded the prescott vid to you tube yet?
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 20:44:55
#80 #91 dude

Congratulations. Your unhinged post is my "CyberNat comment of the day".
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 20:45:47
#128 karinxxx

Care to explain?
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 20:47:38
#121

I didn't use the word "stupid", and my post stated quite clearly that we might have no option but to follow suit. Please don't misquote me in order to beat your straw man.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 20:48:44
#116 Rufus

Hmm. Care to explain?
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Kyle N Carrick,

05/10/2008 20:49:00
136. Behold, the hard-line fundamentalist unionist AM2, who has posted that he would oppose independence even if it led to an increase in wealth for Scots and no negative for the rest of the UK, attacks someone else. What type of dangerous hard line extemist would oppose increased living standards for Scots at no negative to rest of the UK? A deranged, emotional fundamentalist who is inebriated on Brit Nat imagery at the expense of Scots... welcome to Scots Unionist.com

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Kyle N Carrick,

05/10/2008 20:51:03
136.137.138.139

behold the 4 post mentalism of the hard line extremist fundamemta;ist unionist who prefers a poorer Scotland over independence
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 20:51:07
#106 argonaut

Your memory doesn't seem to be up to much. I have described Orangism as "an anachronism" and "retrograde knuckledragging". Google it if you doubt me.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 20:52:06
#142 Kyle N Carrick

Hello Ayrshire Scot. I see your hyperbole hasn't improved.
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Kyle N Carrick,

05/10/2008 20:58:09
144. Evening AM2. see you are still peddling supposititious racism and denigration of Scotland. welcome to Scots. Unionists.com
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 20:59:08
137 no i think your blog pretty much speaks for itself. racist defo.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:01:05
143 orangism he he lol are tangerines and satsumas included in this.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 05/10/2008 21:02:36
Hi AM2

Nice to see you back.

As I said before, much better to argue your case with the masses than to make fun of your opponents when they're not looking.

Anyway, what's your honest take on the reason for Brown postponing McConnell's next job? And do you think it's right for the MSP to be carrying out a part-time 'reserved' role.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:04:34
AM2 fails to see the irony of people being nasty to english people a country that apparently doesnt exist for AM2 what with the britishness thing. because accoring to his unionist philosophy we (scotland) are not a countyr and therefore by the same token neither is england in which case as a seperate race they dont exist so you cant be racist to them?

if they are a seperate country then so are we in which case why arent we independent?
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:06:36
148 i notice its unpaid? interesting if he was paid would he then be breaking the code of conduct?
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:06:51
#145 Kyle N Carrick

Not being a nationalist is NOT “denigration of Scotland”. And highlighting and challenging the dangerous views which some here espouse is NOT “peddling” racism.

Look at post #91. What’s your reaction: to brush it under the carpet because it’s an embarrassment in terms of your political goals? Or to expose it to the bright light of day and to demonstrate why exactly it’s so objectionable? I’ll take the latter path every time.

Same for examples from the unionist side. I’ve condemned Jack McConnell’s anyone-but-England attitude and Ross Finnie’s disgraceful “English prat” remark, for example. This aspect isn’t political for me. It’s societal.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:07:44
alritey AS hows the job goin?
140

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:07:50
#146 karinxxx

Easily said. But you haven't provided even one example.
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brownlie,

05/10/2008 21:09:45
144 AM2

Have visited your site - interesting read.

I note that you high-lighted a "Cyber-nat" posting as to the addresses of the Labour supporters who are trying to stop a discussion on independence.

Are you also going to high-light the post from yesterday where a "cyber-unionist" claimed that the SNP were much more dangerous than Islamic terrorists?
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:13:10
151 accusing a group of people of being terrorists because they are moslems is but. thats racism 101.

On 17 January 2008, Linda Fabiani, the SNP’s Culture Minister, met with Osama Saeed and Humza Yousaf from the Scottish-Islamic Foundation (SIF) and Anas Altikriti, Ismail Patel and Mohammed Sawalha (pictured) from IslamExpo, together with Scottish Government officials.

On the agenda was the IslamFest event planned for next year. The attendees were consistent with Alex Salmond’s stated “aim to involve the organisers of the London IslamExpo and maintain the experience and possible tie-in with Al-Jazeera that they could bring”, as was expressed in a later email sent on the First Minister’s behalf by his Private Secretary, Ian Donaldson.

It beggars belief that Salmond or Fabiani should risk being seen to be associated with such people. For example, Militant Islam Monitor has described Mohammed Sawalha as “a former military commander of Hamas”, mirroring revelations in a 2006 BBC Panorama programme.

But enough for now. Like Azzam Tamimi, Hamas advisor and fellow trustee at Finsbury Park Mosque, Sawalha is known to have a litigious trigger finger. An unfortunate metaphor, perhaps
143

Calum10,

05/10/2008 21:13:24
Scotland doesn't need enemies when it has the Labour party.

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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:13:42
#148 Andrew BOD

Evening. Thank you. But there's no pleasure in posting here. Too many insults, accusations etc. I'll give this thread about another five minutes, if that.

To answer your questions: I have no particular opinion on this story. Obviously after Glasgow East and the likely swing in Glenrothes they'd want to avoid another loss. Seems fairly obvious. Whether justifiable on a moral level in terms of what McConnell might be able to achieve in Malawi - I'm not in a position to judge.

MSP - part time "reserved" role? It's no more wrong than being an MP (Salmond) or peer (Foulkes). Not the sort of issue that keeps me awake...
145

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:14:39
155 is a direct quote from your blog you have implied that anyone who atttends the islam expo is a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser. .

thats racism.
146

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:16:24
157 MSP - part time "reserved" role? It's no more wrong than being an MP (Salmond) or peer (Foulkes). Not the sort of issue that keeps me awake...

eh they were elected mcconel is trying to avoid an election.
147

Paul Spencer,

05/10/2008 21:17:46
Of course the real story behind this is that Bridget is having Hochmangandy with one of her pals, why should she give up being the head of the Commenwealth games strategy on £80K + to beome the first Mistress of Malawi. After all a definate buggering up of family house hold budgets and libido...
148

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:18:13
#155 karinxxx

Linda Fabiani met with Mohammed Sawalha on 17 Januaryu 2008 in the Scottish parliament building. That's a fact. See here:

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/spwrans/?id=2008-09-03.S3W-15009.h

The same Mohammed Sawalha was mentioned in a 2006 Panorama programme. Excerpt: "WARE: From London, Sawalha is said to have master minded much of Hamas' political and military strategy. Wanted by Israel, he fled to London in 1990. PAZ: Sawalha was one of the senior activists in the dawah portals of Hamas. He was involved, let's say, with the background of the finance, the logistic assistance."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/5234586.stm

That's newsworthy. It's not a reflection on Muslims in general or "racist".
149

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:19:04
#158 karinxxx

I have not implied that. You have inferred it. Incorrectly.
150

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:19:09
AM2 i may in fact have to report you to the police for stirring up racial hatred im sure they will soon locate you. shouldnt be too hard.
151

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:21:56
#154 brownlie

No, I'm not planning to highlight that any time soon. Although I do have a forthcoming piece still in rough note form which features instances of unionists and nationalists each totally misconstruing each other's motives and that would seem to be such an example.
152

brownlie,

05/10/2008 21:21:57
161 AM2

If it is only "newsworthy" why is it on your "Scottish Unionist" site? Are you setting up in competition with the Scotsman?
153

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 05/10/2008 21:22:41
149 karinxxx

England and Scotland are indeed separate countries. However, on talking with many Englishmen and women, they certainly see themselves differently. Almost like, for example, a Yorkshireman seeing himself from Yorkshire first and Britain second. This is not always the case, and certainly, English nationalism is becoming more prevalent.

However, this to me only backs up Scotland's unique separate identity, as most Scots (whether supportive of the union or not) almost always see themselves as Scottish first. Even folks who have moved here from England accept that is the case. My English friends whose son was born in Scotland after they moved here, will be taking his son to the Scotland-Norway game to support Scotland.
154

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:24:09
#163 karinxxx

Excuse me? Do you really think that highlighting the fact that an SNP government minister met an alleged - note: alleged - Hamas member, or ex-member, amounts to "stirring up racial hatred"?
155

brownlie,

05/10/2008 21:25:32
164 AM2

Would it not be more honest, when you posted what I referred to, to point out that some nationalist and some unionist sometimes post extreme views? You could then, if you wished, post some examples - making it clear that these were not typical of either unionist or nationalist.
156

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:26:28
#165 brownlie

Let's not split hairs. It's worthy of note.
157

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:29:25
#168 brownlie

No, it wouldn't. Extreme unionist comments are few and far between. Those from the so-called "cybernats" are everyday occurrences.
158

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:29:47
you have directly implied that anyone involved with the islam expo is a terrorist it is for the police and the courts to decide if you are stirring up racial hatred not me. lets see what they think
159

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:32:01
166 andrew bod how can they be seperate countries if they dont have equally seperate governments?
160

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:32:14
karinxxx

My nominal five minutes are about up. But my questions to you weren't rhetorical. May I suggest that you do a bit of background reading on Anas Altikriti, Ismail Patel and Mohammed Sawalha. Work out what their motives are. Ask yourself why they might want to meet with Linda Fabiani. What can she do for them? And vice versa? What's the nature of the symbiosis?
161

brownlie,

05/10/2008 21:33:10
170 AM2

That is only your personal opinion. I doubt if many posters or readers of this site would agree. Perhaps, from your own point of view, you consider the more extreme unionist comments to be fair and equitable?
162

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:33:16
at the moment they scotland and england are in a country called the united kingdom. legally what the snp is attempting to do is make them seperate countries as they once were. read your act of union.
163

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:33:33
#171 karinxxx

No Karin, I have not. Indeed, I said otherwise in #162 above.
164

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 05/10/2008 21:34:21
168 Brownlie

Why not post some CyberUnionist's abusive comments on a thread within scottishunionist.com. I'm sure AM2 wouldn't censor them. Would you not AM2??
165

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:34:37
173 and how about anyone else attending the islam expo are they also terrorists because your blog implies they are.
166

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:36:43
177 on your blog you implied anyone attending the islam expo was a terrorist i may show it to the police. and give them your old phone number. its bad am2 very bad. by he way dont bother deleting it i saved the page. took a leaf out of your book
167

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:36:49
#175 Col Blimp

You used a word which dictionary.com says is "offensive British slang".

If you were, in fact, trying to (falsely) attribute it to Brown and McConnell, then your point is moot.
168

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:38:19
#180 karinxxx

For the third time, I didn't say that. You have misunderstood.
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Eyesrolledindespair,

05/10/2008 21:38:44
#157:"To answer your questions: I have no particular opinion on this story. Obviously after Glasgow East and the likely swing in Glenrothes they'd want to avoid another loss. Seems fairly obvious. Whether justifiable on a moral level in terms of what McConnell might be able to achieve in Malawi - I'm not in a position to judge"

Seems to me having read many of your answers on various blogs here, and having had a look some time ago at you Unionist blog... you have set yourself up in many circumstance to JUDGE many others.
Strange why, suddenly, you feel unable to do so on this subject.

A bit too selective, if you ask me... (or anyone for that matter) who knows your record.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:39:30
by the way am2 there is a very interesting site on the net called 192.com tells you peoples addresses when you know their name.
171

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:39:36
#179 karinxxx

I haven't described anyone as a "terrorist". Not the organisers, not the attendees, nobody. What exactly do you think I said which implies that? Which sentence?
172

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:40:13
182 yes you did..................lets see what the boys in blue think......and i dont mean the tories.
173

brownlie,

05/10/2008 21:40:20
181 AM2

Col. Blimp made it very clear in what context the word was used. At least he was not supporting insidious racism.
174

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:41:02
its very clear that you have implied anyone attending the islam expo is a terrorist sympathiser.
175

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:41:58
tsk tsk racism is terrible are you also going to condemn yourself on your little blog now.
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dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 21:42:21
AM2 your blog is not only racist and selective it is also an outlet for your obvious bigotry of the orange flavour, we dont need your kind in Scotland so go home to your beloved England or NI, begone you bigot
177

karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:42:43
you do know its an offence to stir up racial hatred AM2
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:42:48
#188 karinxxx

You force me to deny it for a fourth time...

I have said nothing of the kind.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:43:42
190 hes not english or british or northern irish dude he UKish.
180

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:44:20
#191 karinxxx

Yes, Karin. I am well aware of that. But it is not an offence to highlight the fact that Linda Fabiani met a man who was investigated in as part of a Panorama programme.
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:44:24
192 im not forcing you to do anything andy the cons will but when you bend over in the jail.....

dont drop the soap.............
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karinxxx,

05/10/2008 21:45:02
anyway AM2 my five minutes are up.

good evening......
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:45:30
#190 dude

You said that before. I refuted it point by point. Why repeat it?

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dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 21:45:48
His name is probibly Alexander Mckay have you read the weekly dirge he spouts in the herald letters page, one and the same man, unionist orange bigot
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dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 21:46:18
didnt read your refuting
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brownlie,

05/10/2008 21:46:35
192 AM2

If the article on your site was only "newsworthy" and nothing to do with racism why is it head-lined "Playing with Fire"?
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:46:41
#195

Charming.
188

AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:48:03
#199 dude

http://www.scottishunionist.com/2008/10/cybernat-comment-of-day.html
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dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 21:48:35
you dont get it do you AM2 this union thing in Scotland has been used by the orange bigots side of bigotry for a long time it is synonomous with the bigots in this country
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dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 21:49:18
so you saying i am on your bigoted site, now thats something to brag about
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 05/10/2008 21:50:19
#200 brownlie

What is this: tag team? Anyone meeting such people is playing with fire.

Enough. Goodnight.
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brownlie,

05/10/2008 21:50:43
192 AM2

Is a head-lline "Playing with Fire" not inflammatory?
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 05/10/2008 21:51:02
172 Karinxxx

The Union of 1707, however inadequate, didn't dissolve the 'countries' of Scotland and England in favour of Britain. They merely 'agreed' to share Government whilst retaining separate educational, legal, cultural identities, etc.. What is dubious is whether Northern Ireland and Wales are separate countries.

The main issues with the current arrangement is that each part of the UK is constitutionally unequal. Secondly, because of England's size, it dominates Government policy. And thirdly, the mother of all parliaments is based in the dominant partner.

As long as these issues remain, the UK will always be uneasy about itself. I happen to think independence will be easier to come by, as well as more effective in the long run. Some people think federalism is the way, but that would mean getting rid of the Queen and much of the Establishment that goes with the Monarchy, and I believe that would be much harder to come by.

Either way, something's gotta give.
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dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 21:51:43
Quote from AM2 bigot site

Yet he apparently doesn’t think that telling people to “begone” and “go home” to “England or NI” is in any way intolerant. Quite remarkable.

Is it ant more tolerable than being told my country of Scotland does not exist, its a region of 'Britain'
195

brownlie,

05/10/2008 21:51:45
205 AM2

"Such people" smacks of racism!
196

dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 21:54:45
i told you hes a bigot, i grew up in Wishaw which is full of them from both sides and this AM2 character or Alexander Mckay as i like to think he is, is a bigot spotted him a mile away
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Eyesrolledindespair,

Florrididdle 05/10/2008 21:59:27
#209: Brownlie:""Such people" smacks of racism!"

Of course it does. That is the elitists way of referring to "lesser" mortals who do not deserve the dignity of being in the human race!

But we have risen to his bait, lost the thread of the debate about McConnell... and he (the poster) declined to give his opinion on this dreadful appointment and delay tactic by declaring he was unable to make a judgement call on it! How "Holier Than Thou" can you get?
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dude,

wishaw 05/10/2008 22:05:08
posted on AM2's blog

Someone calling himself dude, presumably from Wishaw, has this peculiar view of this blog:
AM2 your blog is not only racist and selective it is also an outlet for your obvious bigotry of the orange flavour, we dont need your kind in Scotland so go home to your beloved England or NI, begone you bigot.

I’ve seen numerous comments of this type, but still can’t quite wrap my head around the thinking involved.


For some bizarre reason, despite my unrelenting exposure and condemnation of racism and sectarianism, and indeed my description of Orangism as “retrograde knuckledragging”, he imagines me to be “racist”, “orange” and a “bigot”. Yet he apparently doesn’t think that telling people to “begone” and “go home” to “England or NI” is in any way intolerant. Quite remarkable.

hahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHA AH!hahahahahahahahahahahaa
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John PM,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 22:24:09
Sad stuff. Wee Jack was always a discredited glove puppet but this shows he has absolute zero credibility to go along with this blatant con trick.
200

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 05/10/2008 22:37:42
Labour. The anti-Scottish party and as for McConnell he'll be happy as he knows its the usuall jobs for the boys, snout in the trough party
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livilion,

livingston 05/10/2008 23:14:32
Lay off poor wee Union Joke he can't help being an invertebrate, that's the reason his London puppetmasters allowed him to be First Minister in the first place: This is what you believe, get on with it.

Wee Dougie Alexander MP for Administrative Affairs cocked up the Holyrood elections and left him to carry the can when he was only doing and saying what he was being told to.

If that wasn't bad enough his job was then given to the sister of the guy who had dropped him in it. She then demonstrated her remarkable intellect by not lasting a year in post. Says a lot for the guy she replaced does it not?

So while the poor guy would try to maintain some dignity, rather the earth open up and swallow him, or send him to Malawi, his good buddies in London prolong the agony by giving him a one day-a-week job just to prevent the electorate in his once safe seat in the heart of the Lanarkshire Murphia being able to hand their franchise to the SNP.


As I say; poor wee Joke, with friends like his who would need enemas?
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livilion,

livingston 05/10/2008 23:34:03
Got to hand it to AM2, whenever Labour drop a brick AM2's right there to distract everyone into bickering about irrelevant guph, rather than laying into Westminster for its repeated mismanagement and the resultant damage being done to Scottish interests on their watch.

Mind you, I remember before the more recent surges in the fortunes of the SNP he would feign indignation at name calling and the like, and adopt the 'moral high ground' by his way of it. These days his/her postings give the lie to a much smaller and unpleasant persona.

Shame we can't have at least one decent Unionist voice worth debating with.
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dsm68,

glasgow 06/10/2008 08:46:49
every labour seat is under threat because they are all power mad insecure and money grabbers. its a pity as most politicians start off with passion for people then it gets slowly eating away by greed, self and whats in it for me. Brown has cost labour more seats at all by elections by doing this..job for the bhoys!! oh sorry meant boys!! his wife is picking up a nice salary at glasgow city council to. just go jack
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Displaced Scot,

UK 06/10/2008 10:24:10
Boy Wonder, the maths is correct. Example Party 1 has 24 seats, Party 2 23 seats, difference 1. By Election, Party 1 now has 25 seats, Party 2 lose one seat down to 22 seats difference now 3. Simple.
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cabrach loon,

inverness 06/10/2008 10:31:22
Sorry Jack you have blown it - Ma Broon winna be in power after 2010, and for sure nu-lab or old lab will be goners in Scotland, so say bye bye to Malawi and get back to Gordie for him being selfish and ruining your hope of being God's gift to Africa - but for Heaven's sake let's first sort out our shortages and problems at home before sinking more into the bottomless pit of Africa - compare its performance with Asia's, the latter progresses but Africa depresses, too many people for the land to support, births out of control, bad farming practices leading to soil erosion and of course a never ending supply of greedy corrupt politicians who still 40 years on blame their former colonial rulers for their self inflicted troubles of today. Time to say Enough!
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livilion,

livingston 06/10/2008 16:06:10
#219 cabrach loon

What you are describing in Africa was Scotland 70 years ago when the 'black babies in Africa' sent my mother a toy for christmas because the Glasgow babies were so poor.

Good point about Joke's Malawi gig, I wonder if they'll be needing any maths teachers out there?
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 06/10/2008 20:50:03
Reading just a sampling of these comments makes me ashamed to be Scottish. That's right, ashamed. And NO One has the right to do that to a fellow Scot! For a nation that has given so much to the world - whose citizens have spread the world over and continue to give good accounts of Scotland and the Scots, these comments are a disgrace.

The repetitive ignornt rantings of nationalists - calling ANYONE that disagrees with them racist - are among the worst aspects.

In the broader world Scots are still respected as thinkers and doers. I only pray that those I associate with as I travel NEVER read the ill-informed vitriol that passes for comments here - lest they see just how low Scottish public comment has sunk in Scotland.

I am sure those so quick to fire off the term "racist" or "bigot" or those telling Scots to "get away" to England or wherever - I am sure they are amusing their friends in the peanut gallery but I tell you candidly - reading your bile and hatered from a vantagepoint outside of Scotland makes no good point or impression at all.

The practitioners of this undiluted corrosion make nationalists in particular look bad. A little education on what the differences are between the defined terms "state" and "nation" might help some of the actual ignrance - but helping the vile nasty attitude of some of the posters here - I am quite sure thare is little to help them.

Shame on the Scotsman for airing all this stink.
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A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 07/10/2008 03:08:52
I must confess that the observations of Walter and Stephen from Scotland are quite correct. SNP supporters must stop resorting to below the belt comments, even after being provoked by Unionists spouting their lies and bile against our beliefs. We are only letting down our case for Independence. We will never convert the ultra unionists who post on these forums. They already have their individual reasons to believe or say what they say. It could be blind loyalty to the Union Line or a stake in a UK that they hope will advantage them over the majority of Scots.

We should point out the lies and mistruths they post on this or any other forum. No Scottish Person will ever be forced to remove themselves from our country, because it is their country to, and they are our countrymen/women. Only by breaking down their lies, or accepting their genuine reasons to believe what they believe, will we win the battle for Scottish Independence from a System that has not only done nothing for the Scottish People, but actually by their actions, have disadvantage so many Scots over the last three hundred years.

Our Goals as Noble Goals as long as we stick to the point. Unionists will always twist the truth because their arguement is not up to the debate. They are incapable of actually stating the facts that prove their case, hence the lies and manipulation of the truth.

As far as Stephen is concerned, my advice for him is that he should consider the impact that Independence will have on him. If he isnt going to be living under the Westminster System, he really shouldnt be in a position to try influence the people who continue to suffer here in their own Nation. If you decide to return to Scotlan to live, then get stuck right in and say whatever you like, no matter if you believe in Independence or not.

His comments here are honest and should not be ignored. Its refreshing to hear a Scot who is living in a country that took its Independence from Westminster. I think we should
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A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 07/10/2008 03:12:02
Continued/

His comments here are honest and should not be ignored. Its refreshing to hear a Scot who is living in a country that took its Independence from Westminster. I think we should accept his point and see if we can do better.

ITS TIME.

"Jock Thamson", your earlier joke, was like a "Bairns"
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A Better Way,

Scottish Repubic 07/10/2008 03:38:49
Now lets get back to the debate.

Wee Jockee was being made High Commisioner to Malawi because it was his reward for towing the Unionist Line and being a blindfolded member of the New Labour Party.

Wee Jockee is getting his new position, because he still needs to be rewarded for the above reasons, yet his resignation would force a By Election that the New Labour Party would lose. It is another Political manoveur by Gordon the Mentalist, because he is the most unpopular Prime Minister of the UK EVER.

By accepting this post Wee Jockee is betraying both his Constituents and his Nation by not doing the job he was elected to do, and paid to do.

Gordon Brown is merely a puppet of big business and the Union of 1707. He is not only a traitor to his people, he is a traitor to the People of the Three Nations. I feel very sorry for the people of Wales and England, not having decent representation, that actually paid any attention to them. The English People who live North of the Watford Gap are taken for granted and treated a sheite until there is a General Election and their vote is needed by Politicians who in most cases retire as Multi Millionaires with further income piling up their wealth from appointments to boards etc or bing a special envoy to Gordon Brown.

What I would like to have clarified is if Wee Jockee is an elected MSP in the Scottish Parliament, how can he represent the uk in foreign relations, and exactly what are his qualifications for the post. Will his wife have her expenses covered by the UK Peoples taxes, when she accompanies him on these "Holidays". Will the Scottish Parliament receive a written report on what he accomplishes on his trips.

Will the Conservative Party,LibDem Party, Greens and the Scottish Nationalist Party, produce a vote in the Scottish Parliament to have him removed as an unsuitable MSP who cannot provide the required services to his Electorate. Upon that vote, will the other Unionist Parties support a By Election to r

 

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