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Published Date: 16 November 2008
HOLYROOD should be given major new powers over taxation north of the border, a long-awaited report on the constitutional future of the nation will say tomorrow.
An expert group, backed by all three of Scotland's pro-union parties, will declare that the Scottish Parliament should take greater control over taxes to make MSPs more accountable for their actions.

Among the options explored by the group are set
ting VAT and National Insurance levels in Edinburgh and giving Scottish ministers more freedom to vary income tax. But the paper, written for a commission ordered by Labour, the Liberals and the Conservatives, shies away from "full fiscal autonomy".

The conclusions are the result of a year's research and evidence-gathering by an expert group of economists appointed by Sir Kenneth Calman, whose Commission on Scottish Devolution was asked last year to review Holyrood's workings.

Published on the 10th anniversary of the Scotland Act, which created devolution, the report will trigger renewed debate about the division of powers between Westminster and Holyrood.

Currently, the Scottish Parliament is funded via a block grant of £30bn. The expert group, led by leading economist Professor Anton Muscatelli, argues strongly that Holyrood must be made more accountable by having greater powers to raise taxes.

"The report is saying that total fiscal autonomy may have some downsides, but that doesn't mean that greater degrees of fiscal autonomy may not be more desirable," said Professor David Ulph, head of the school of economics at St Andrews University and a member of the group.

One possibility explored by the group includes letting Scottish ministers set income tax. Currently, they are only able to vary the standard rate of income tax by up to three pence in the pound. Other options include devolving VAT, introducing an US-style sales tax, and devolving National Insurance contributions.

Professor Ulph's remarks were backed by another member of the 11-strong group, Jeremy Peat, the former group chief economist at the Royal Bank of Scotland and a former economic adviser at HM Treasury and the Scottish Office.

"I am very pragmatic in that we need to look at these options," Peat said. "We are clearly drifting towards more fiscal devolution, if that can be fitted in with managing the macro-economy effectively."

Peat said there was a need to make MSPs more accountable for their actions. "I do believe that the incentives for good management are limited in the case of Scotland in that it doesn't raise its own finances," he said.

A third member of the group, Iain McLean, professor of politics at Oxford University, has recommended strengthening fiscal powers. In a recent paper, he said: "This could involve extending its powers over income tax, and could also be accompanied by assigning tax revenue, for instance a proportion of VAT. This would be topped up with a grant based on a needs assessment. This would be in line with Scottish public opinion, which supports stronger tax-raising powers for Scotland."

The report could create tension within Labour. Senior figures at Westminster favour the "assigned revenue" system whereby the Scottish Government's funds would be calculated on the basis of the total amount of tax revenues paid by Scots to the UK Treasury. The move would not involve the transfer of any new tax powers.

UK ministers are thought to be especially attracted by the plan because it is likely it would play well among English voters who believe Scotland's current funding deal is unfair. But Scottish Labour has set up its own working party to respond to the Calman Commission and is understood to be open minded about an extension of powers. Yesterday a source close to Iain Gray, the Scottish Labour leader, said: "Calman is to be a vehicle for change, but not change for change's sake. But change to improve the way Scottish devolution operates."

The report backs the need to replace the Barnett Formula, which results in Scots receiving £1,500 per head more of public spending than the English. Experts on the group believe in the principle that if a government wants to spend an extra pound it ought to raise it.

Speaking to Scotland on Sunday, Calman said that the findings of the paper would be considered before the commission made a final report.

Calman added that the report would look at regional economic models operating in Australia, Spain, Germany and Canada. "They all have drawbacks and I suspect that one of the conclusions is that there is no obvious model. One of the options I am sure (Muscatelli] will recommend is that whatever financial system he wants has to be decided by the kind of constitutional settlement we have."

A spokesman for First Minister Alex Salmond said: "The more economic and financial powers the Scottish Parliament has, the better able we are to respond to economic opportunities and difficulties, and the more successful Scotland will be."





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1

Rufus T. Firefly,

15/11/2008 22:51:24
"Among the options explored by the group are setting VAT and National Insurance levels in Edinburgh and giving Scottish ministers more freedom to vary income tax."

Errrmm, the Scottish Executive has the power to raise income tax at the moment. It has never done so because it has been too scared. So whats the point in increasing these powers?
2

qohldr,

16/11/2008 00:12:18
It will be interesting to see if Nationalist will agree with this proposal since they have in the past insinuated this commission is anti Scottish, anti SNP and was only set up by unionist to prevent the SNP getting what they want.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 00:25:13


"and the more successful Scotland will be."

One can hardly call Scotland successful, successful for our immigrants, more-the-likes.

"Success", would of been saving our Bank of Scotland!

"Success", would have been, NOT purchasing 'Flags' in the far east!

"Success", would have been, NOT letting our 'School Buildings' "Crumble"!

The list goes on and on, I won't bore you with more,

"Success", Might be haning a New Leader!!


4

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 00:26:27
How does this fit in with unionist propoganda that local income tax is unworkable ?
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 00:26:49
re: typo error #3

"Success", Might be having a New Leader!!
6

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 00:29:14
The assigned revenue system should include revenue from oil and gas - it won't. This is a con trick more, smoke and mirrors. Fiscal autonomy is exactly that, this tinkering at the margins will be to Westminster's benefit, not Scotlands.
7

Nevsky,

Moscow 16/11/2008 00:31:53
One more step on the road to independence but how does this fit in with Brooon's vision that the Parliament should not have ANY more power?

More division among the unionists, great!

What is it to be, the Calan Commission's report or Tsar Brown blocking what a committee sponsored by unionists want?

Lol, unionists iin dissaray again, just who to support this time? Scotland or Westminster?
8

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16/11/2008 00:35:05
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 00:35:09

#6,

'Well-Said' Indeed!!!

But we all must be,...'Politically Corrected'!

One would be better to 'Drug our Water Supplies' and have us all,....

....'Brainwashed Morons'!


10

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 00:36:21
''There is a need to make MSP's more accountable for their actions''.

Accountable to who ? They are already accountable to Scots.

''Incentives for good management are limited in the case of Scotland in that it doesn't raise its own finances''

WHAT?

Of course we raise our own finances, we raise more than that, send it to Westminster, and then we get pocket money back.

11

Nevsky,

Moscow 16/11/2008 00:36:32
Very difficult question for all the quislings, their loyalties will be divided and their innards squealing at the thought of the union sliding away from them!

12

Bring it Off,

uk 16/11/2008 00:37:22
Washington did you see the photo opportunity:

Brown and Bush

One man sends his nations youth to die in Iraq and Afganistan while his own country is overrun by illegal immigrants and houses thousands of terror suspects, his country's economy is the worst since WWII,thousands of jobs are being lost every week, children are shot and stabbed to death every week and even infants are being murdered, his country's currency is in freefall ----

and the other one is George Bush
13

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16/11/2008 00:38:14
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Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 00:38:29
Question- what do the SNP mob know about taxation and its implications

Answer- Nothing

So why should anyone listen to this stupid idea.

Answer- don't
15

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 00:39:17
#12

How's your Norwegian model?
16

The Answer,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 00:42:42
Dont forget whisky revenue ! , £46 million raised will go a long way towards paying for the forth road bridge.
17

Nevsky,

Moscow 16/11/2008 00:43:01
15 Another#

Nothing to do with the SNP, this is a unionist proposal. I see you can't make your mind up on which direction to turn?

Quisling ettminster or pro Scotland..nightmare for you, poor wee Rufus was even struggling with the first post.

Time to examine your dual nationality lol
18

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16/11/2008 00:43:45
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 00:46:25


Has anyone noticed, that Gordon Brown, has been televised more often recently, showing his softer side, I am getting to quite like Him, or am I being,...

"Brainwashed"!

Forget Salmond though!

"Success", would have been, if He had the sense to be 'Televised' more often!

An 'UTTER DISGRACE'! STV and BBC1 Scotland, in Scotland, but,..'OH-NO' we act like 'little-mice'!

Cant upset Number10 can we?

It IS of NO-WONDER, we NEVER Further Ourselves!


20

Nevsky,

Moscow 16/11/2008 00:50:54
21 Charles#

Not surprising as the 'unionist jock' is the easiest to impress with his worship of anything in London.

A couple of posh tarts, good meal in a London restaraunt and meeting a Lord or two and they are sold for life; it's all about prestige and the unionists Scots crave it in London above everywhere else.
21

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 00:51:29
Charles

Brown is a smart guy

Salmond is a soft touchy feely guy

This is about running a country....

Which do we need most...
22

Nevsky,

Moscow 16/11/2008 00:54:56
23 Another#

Not very smart according to the economic figures of the country?

Perhaps you consider what he has done a success? No-one else does, try reading the broadsheets, the English media are grearing up to massacre him.

He isa bumbling, social inadequate who has made the biggest mess of the economy in 70 years, watch him burn lol
23

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16/11/2008 00:56:22
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Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 00:56:28
#25

I disagree
25

Nevsky,

Moscow 16/11/2008 00:57:30
23 Another#

Still can't make upi your mind if you are Scottish or Engli (British).

No opinion on more powers for the Parliament i see, guess you will trot out the 'if the snp are in power then no' excuse to avoid fronting up to your identity lol.
26

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 00:58:27
24 Wilhelm all they are giving here is the power to raise tax. It's not fiscal autonomy, because if it was then we would base our tax regime on the wealth we have. As we are not being given that, the oil and gas money will still go down south, what is the bloody point in all this. Smoke and mirrors rubbish yes ?
27

Nevsky,

Moscow 16/11/2008 00:59:21
27 Another#

Thankfully your opinion counts for nothing and never will.
28

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16/11/2008 00:59:35
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 01:01:02


Another Saturday Night ~23,

"Which do we need most..."

NEITHER!

We need a leader with 'Guts' and one who is,..

...'Proud of Scotland'!


A 'Leader' that is not a 'Yes Man', a Leader that won't take,...'NO' for an Answer, a Leader who cares!
----------

Nevsky ~22,

NO!, Forget any 'Babes', it was Children being shown round Number10 by Brown himself, interacting well with the Children, it was on TV yesterday night.





30

Nevsky,

Moscow 16/11/2008 01:03:35
SOS..SOS..SOS..CRISIS IN UNIONIST IDENTITY STOP NEED HELP FROM WESTMINSTER IN ORDER TO FORM AN OPINION STOP UNION COULD BE SLIPPIN AWAY STOP
31

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 01:04:00
#28

I am Scottish, but ttat is not necessarily relevant to the point up for discussion.

My passport says UK. Yes, we are part of the UK, and proud of that.

Our "patch" is Scotland, and rightly we need to look after that.

Salmond has done more to destroy Scotland than save it.

By cranking up the "yes I wear my kilt at every opportunity the polis will let me" crowd do not focus on issues, and are, sorry to say it, living a few years before the ice age.

Wake up, mate
32

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 01:05:28
Charles

Fair point.

Walter Smith could do the job, but he is busy winning titles at the moment
33

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16/11/2008 01:07:38
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 01:09:25
35 Wilhelm - yeah they'll give us what look like shiny buttons and we'll believe them, is the theory. I'm off goodnight.
35

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 01:09:50


Another Saturday Night ~34

"Salmond has done more to destroy Scotland than save it."

We must forgive those who suffer from 'confusion'.

Thus being 'Policies' of madness, being brought into the equations, like making it illegal for the Under 21s to have a drink of wine!

The list goes on and on!


36

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16/11/2008 01:13:07
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Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 01:14:47
Charles

Yes. Being a "non-drinker" myself that issue is not close to the heart.

But Salmond's "I don't care about anyone who is younger than me" attitude is a scandal.

The man is, dare I say it, a fool.
38

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 01:17:00
Salmond says the future is wind power and recycling horse manure.

He is doing well
39

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 01:17:06


Wilhelm ~40,

"stabbing Scotland in the back."

I forgive you also for your,..'confusion'

We are all doing ourselves, this damage you quote, by sitting back, and letting it happen.


40

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16/11/2008 01:20:48
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16/11/2008 01:23:05
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42

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 01:27:49
I remember when you could buy 16 fags out of a machine with 10p taped to the packet.

So don't tell me I don't know what's what
43

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 01:32:33
#50

We won't because it doesn't make sense.

The "voters" will decide, and not you alone (thankfully)
44

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 01:41:32
#53

You are either a crack heid or your heid is cracked.

British and proud of it, mate

Scotland a vital part.

Did you no wear a poppy?
45

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16/11/2008 01:41:56
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16/11/2008 01:44:25
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Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 01:48:54
Almost Chritmas time, and the Queen's speech.

A moment for all of us to stand up and listen.

Cannae wait
48

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 01:51:05
#57

Defeatist comments from the defeated.

We are a Union of winners
49

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16/11/2008 01:51:37
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Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 01:55:14
#61

Sorry, but true.

The Union has never lost, and never will
51

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 01:59:39


So since the comments have gone off the 'Topic Matter',

I take then we all, agree to disagree,....

...The "Scottish Parliament" should NOT have any "Tax Powers", as one could not organize a,...

..'P%ss Up' in a Brewery?




52

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 02:12:26
Charles

Salmond and his mob should be restricted to sending Christmas cards to poor people.


That's what they are good at doing, after all
53

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 02:27:37
#67

Don't you support the Queen and the Union.

That is the fibre of our country.

If you want to change that, you should leave.

With all due respect
54

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 02:34:46
Ah the wonderful unionists eh... against anything to do with common sense but divided together!

Idiots one and all.

Our day will come.
55

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 02:43:33
#69

Your day is here

Going nowhere, as usual
56

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 02:50:50
Scotland cannae survive on its own, neither does it want to try.

It is a major force as part of the magnificant Union.

Brothers in Arms
57

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 02:59:10
Wilhelm,16/11/2008 02:54:02
72 Another Nutty Unionist squeeeeeks

'' It is a major force as part of the magnificant Union.''


Are you posting from Carstairs , son ?


The intellect and wit of the SNP

"Tunes of Glory" LOL
58

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 03:12:47

These Posts are, 'Cracking-me-Up' they are all Soo good!
I hope the Scotsman News, don't use their 'Red Pen' Later to delete the unwanted.

We can see why Scotland is 'unique', posts like the above are 'unique' and make Scotland 'unique'!

High-Time we all realised this!

I don't think that either, Salmond or Brown, should be in the equation!

We need our Polish Population on here to make the "equation" complete.





59

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 03:40:44
Charles

Yes, "unique" is the word that we should all use.

As Salmond digs up his next mumbo jumbo scheme, some of us are working our "fingers to the bone"

60

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 03:47:30


Interesting Question to ask you all!

Does anyone think the Scotsman News is politically biased?


61

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 03:51:44

Wilhelm ~81,

Hilariuous you are!





62

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 03:54:11

Wilhelm ~82,

Dinny start that one, it is Sunday afterall! :))

63

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 03:59:29



A little respect won't,...'go-a-miss', who goes to the,..

...'Church-on-Sunday'?


64

Weegiewarbler,

Still Sailing 16/11/2008 03:59:44
Another Saturday Night:
Unionists et al.

Looking at your comments - We pity you.

Icelandic Kronur is up on the pound.

UK has more debt per household (80K pounds to 300K pounds - depending on Gordy's figures or the real ones) - and you're proud of this.

More debt than Zimbabwe per person = you're proud of this?

Lowest exchange rate against the dollar and Euro in years - and you're proud of this?

Scotland dances to Englands tune (they outvote us 10-1 in westminster - and call hte dominion "Union") - and you're proud of this?

You give others total authority over your life - and you're proud of this?

You sell yourself and your children and childrens' children into a future of slavery with the (to quote the London Times) battered wifes' syndrome (sorry Ladies) and being a nuclear dumping ground - and you're proud of this?

The list goes on - and on - and on - And you're proud of this?

We'd love to know the brainwashing technique - somebody should be proud of that !!
65

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 04:08:33


Does Salmond or Brown, attend the, 'Church on Sunday'?

If not!, why not?

66

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 04:36:43


Wilhelm ~89/90,

OMG! (oh my God)

Question answered then! :((


67

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

16/11/2008 04:52:45
The trecherous Anglophiles of Glenrothes will not be able to stop the tide of Nationalisim at the next General Election and will Godo and his friends pop by and visit......I DONT THINK SO
68

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 05:58:35
After London New Labours impression of Jeb Bush by filling in postal votes for People who couldnt be bothered voting, to ensure they didnt get the drubbing they deserved, how could anyone trust a Unionist.

Scotland should take its own fiscal autonomy ASAP, and then should include every single penny that the Oil Companies and Disterillery Companies,Telecom Companies,Power Companies earn out of our Nation who locate their head offices outside Scotland. All the current oil and gas that is sold to England should include a VAT charge of 25% to the Scottish Purse.

Then Scotland could assist England with Tax Revenues that didnt include Weapons of Mass Destruction and an overblown budget of 38.7 billion on a defence force they cannot afford, or a Westminster Government that is spending way beyond its means employing English People. Time for a cull there.

By the way did anyone see Brown condemned to the outside of the back line of the G20. Sure he is a man of importance, at least thats what Murdoch and the London Media want us all to think.

Kill a Murdoch and you smash the New Labour Order led by Brown the Traitor.
69

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 06:46:36
Full fiscal autonomy equals independence.
Anything less and the Scottish Government will be left in a bogus situation where the taxes they are allowed to collect and the money they are allowed to spend have been decided by the government of another country, as is the case at the moment.
70

terry osser,

morden 16/11/2008 06:58:13
independence from england is irrelevant as scotland is part of eu--mr bean signed uk to eu. discuss
71

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 07:07:39
UK has a direct influence on EU actions - Scotland has no say.
End of discussion.
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 16/11/2008 07:08:23
the scots parliament wil be allowed to raise a small amount in taxes, to the detriment of scottish industry and scotland will then be doubly punished by having the bulk grant, which scots have already paid for, reduced. for holyrood to be properly accountable it has to have full fiscal autonomy. holyrood can then payto westminster a sum for joint projects. would not have to pay for the london olympics as they are english nor trident as scotland does not need nuclear weapons. the only outside country to attack scotland since the vikings is england
73

Border Scot,

16/11/2008 07:19:03
The contempt with which SNP posters on here hold the majority of their fellow Scots who do not agree with them is more striking than ever
74

Walter Ego,

Durness 16/11/2008 07:40:09
99

Border Scot, you are 100% correct. A friend of mine said that if you want to see what an independent Scotland would be like under SNP control, have a look at the posts by the nats on this website - and you would never vote for independence.
75

Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 07:40:21
Wilhelm,16/11/2008 04:22:53
Last year Gordon broon to Diane Sawyer of American ABC News.

'' I come from north britain ''


And the cockk crowed 3 times when Gordon Broon denied his own country, what a Judas.


So this is SNP... why didn't I vote for them...

76

john z,

edinburgh 16/11/2008 08:09:39
I can't believe people are getting taken in by the above story. This is just an opening salvo on Holyrood powers, whereby endless stories will be released stating one thing or another, over many months. Then, and only then, will the real intent come to the fore, the taking away of key powers from Scotland. But, of course the calculation by the spin doctors is that by then, there will have been so,so many stories about what Calman means, that journalists and the public in Scotland will have lost interest.

It will be at that point, that in the dead of night the english government will at the stroke of a pen, remove powers from holyrood.

The story above is just one of many,many that will be 'placed' in the media, in order to 'numb' the Scottish people prior to the real policy being enacted.

What I find remarkable about this whole undemocratic process, is the absolute irony involved in ministers from the english government talking (apparently seriously) about how they feel the need to assess how devolution has worked. It should really be the Scottish Government doing that, not the english government.

The english government still has the power to remove the democratically elected Scottish Government tomorrow if it feels like it. No doubt, another 'benefit' of the union!!

It is time Scotland got off its knees, and stopped being subservient to the english government. Who are they to tell the Scottish government what to do? How can it be that the english government has the power to close the Scottish parliament?? Has Scotland not learnt anything from history.


No one has ever persuaded me there are any benefits to Scotland from this undemocratic union. Scotland is the only oil producing nation in the world that gives ALL its oil and gas to another country for free. It really is quite absurd, and yet people come on here, knocking their own country, Scotland, just like Jim Murphy does every time he opens his mouth, and firmly stating that Scotlan
77

john z,

edinburgh 16/11/2008 08:11:22
No doubt Gordon brown whilst in washington over the weekend having 'drinkies' with world leaders, happily told them all he was from 'north Britain'. The man is an absolute traitor to Scotland.

Just for the record Brown, your country is called Scotland.
78

morris,

edinburgh 16/11/2008 08:13:13
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No it will not be interesting ,it will be a foregone conclusion that the SNP will welcome any move which genuinely seeks to better the Scottish electorate, as any one with a brain will realise, if for no other reason, they would be barking mad to even contemplate otherwise.

What is very much in doubt however is will Westminster pay any attention to what Calman reports, even though it was their enquiry? Previous track record says NO!
We only have to look at the McCrone Report to see what the true purpose of Westminster government is!The government wanted to know the true state of Scotland's independence/economy,they should already have known but the figures were doctored years before.They still are.The report was suppressed for forty years.They DID NOT want you to know! Most of you still DONT KNOW!


After the Glenrothes result it seems doubtful,since the Press have consistently reported that any further powers are now dead,and I feel sorry for the people in Glasgow East who started the ball rolling only to have it kicked out of play by sheer stupidity at Glenrothes.The camapign was fought on the FIFE council issues (which arguably had sod all to do with a Westminster electiion anyway) and which Labour had falsley reported.
Of course they have the right to press the self destruct button in a democracy, but it never fails to amaze me just how much absolute numpty nonsense you Unionists can cram into one head!

You ask for nothing so rest assured you will get precious little if anything!
Nuclear power stations and dumping are however very much earmarked for the Numpty country!If we have to have this bomb in Scotland I suggest we build it in Glenrothes.They deserve it, for having set back the voice of change in Scotland by ten years.Labour will still get humped at a General Election and when it happens Glenrothes will look like a right bunch of bird brains.Unfortunately there will be other Glenrothes seats where anything wearing a red rosette will be
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john z,

edinburgh 16/11/2008 08:13:26
102

Feel free to leave.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 16/11/2008 08:14:10
101 Another#

He said he was from North Briton? Gordon Brown said that? Who has ever, even a unionist described themselves as from north Briton, why did Brown not say he was Scottish?

How strange, quite how a quisling's mind qorks i will never know, perhaps our unionist friends can help me on this one?

Do you all go around saying you are north british?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 16/11/2008 08:16:12
106 john z#

Same rubbish that was touted before the parliament, busness will leave, people will leave...same frigtened little rabbits they always were.
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morris,

edinburgh 16/11/2008 08:18:20
105 cont

Unfortunately there will be other Glenrothes seats where anything wearing a red rosette will be elected,irrespective of whether it can read or write or think.
I sound very bitter and frustrated here.I realise that and one day soon some of you will realise why! Many however will start uttering the usual total mince,"Aye a they SNP votes cost Labour seats and let the Tories in" The only problem is that Scotland only has 59 seats,and its arithmetically impossible for that to be true when England elects 600 approx seats,which means all those saying it are THICK AS MINCE and cannot do primary school arithmetic!Some of them are even proud to declare that they cannot work this out!

Okay who is first to declare?
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John S,

16/11/2008 08:19:27
Why is the UK (English)dominated Parliament desperate to keep Scotland within the UK ?
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MoClana,

16/11/2008 08:20:53
#2 t will be interesting to see if Nationalist will agree with this proposal since they have in the past insinuated this commission is anti Scottish, anti SNP and was only set up by unionist to prevent the SNP getting what they want.

Dont you mean if Gordon Brown agrees ?...the more power that comes to Holyrood the better, power breeds more power and therefore can be no downside.

Brown in the other hand is already briefing against any fiscal powers and in fact will probably claw back other devolved powers, no doubt citing the recession as his reason.

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edinburgh 16/11/2008 08:27:53
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You are quite correct. The Scottish government will be 'allowed' by the english to change some tax rates, but the money will still all go direct to London, and on an annual basis, Scotland will still have to get down on its knees and beg the english government to give Scotland some of its money back.

There is NO sound argument for anything other than full fiscal autonomy for Scotland.

Anything less I assure you, will be a fiddle by the english government.

Of course we could just have independence, and put a stop to the nonsense whereby the english government tells Scotland what it can or cannot do. It's time Scotland got off its knees and told the english government we don't need or want it anymore. Taxes raised in Scotland belong to Scotland, and not to the english treasury.

And oil, distilling, duties and corporation taxes, and VAT and income tax, and all other revenue belongs to Scotland. Then we can have the nuclear warheads on the clyde removed from Scotland (can you remember anybody in Scotland ever saying we really, really need nuclear missiles in Scotland??).

Scotland will prosper under independence, as we would no longer need to subsidise england on its modern day colonial wars all over the globe.

Alex Salmod was absolutely trashed by the english media at the time the gulf war started, for simply choosing to stand by his beliefs that it was both wrong and unnecessary. ALL the other major political leaders (including the lib dems) eventually kow towd to the war, except Alex Salmond.


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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 08:29:55
#110 John S, probably for the same reasons that the Unionist dominated Scottish Parliament want Scotland to remain part of the UK.
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subrosa,

16/11/2008 08:30:17
# 34

I think you ought to read Margo MacDonald's article in the Sunday Post.
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Marian,

16/11/2008 08:34:12
The current New Labour led UK government in Westminster have failed us miserably.


There is something seriously screwed up with the Scots economy, when roughly half of the working population are employed by the state and large chunks of the urban population are on state benefits of one kind or another.

New Labour does not appear to understand that devolution as it is designed and practised is never going to be accepted by the Scots. They want us to simply accept and copy unquestionably the economic model they have adopted for England and they don't have any separate plans uniquely tailored for improving Scotland's economy to ensure that Scots may prosper and from that point of view they have not placed Scotland first.

Gordon Brown of New Labour simply wants us to accept more of the same failed economic policies that he has tailored to keeping happy the speculators and financiers of Western Europe's most centralised economy which is based in the City of London.

For a while a sea of debt managed to keep the UK financially afloat, now however due to Gordon Brown's policies to suit the City of London, we now have a poisonous mix of the ingredients of too much borrowing, too little saving, inflation, too high interest rates, crashing value of the £UK, and increasing unemployment within the UK which have altogether ensured that the New Labour created artificial finance bubble has burst hitting the whole of the UK irrespective of whether they contributed to it or not.

Scotland has to find a way out of being dragged down with the sinking ship as the economic recession takes hold of the UK.
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MoClana,

16/11/2008 08:35:15
#94 Better way - After London New Labours impression of Jeb Bush by filling in postal votes for People who couldnt be bothered voting, to ensure they didnt get the drubbing they deserved, how could anyone trust a Unionist

Absoloutely right. What happened at Glenrothes was disgraceful and the ochestrated media campaign around it equally so. No one can apparently account for the discrepancy of 7000 votes, its a massive figure to fly under the radar given the seat only had a majority of 10,000. It is clear that Labour must have been on all of the postal vote ballots for it to swing a margin like that...

This is corruption at its highest, and a very dark day in recent Scottish history, Salmond knows this but is too clever to walk into the unionist trap of appearing the bad loser only for the media to spring their anti SNP traps.

The ground has started to shift now in the Unionist / Nationalist arguement, both sides are becoming in trenched in their believes, the middle ground, the undecided voter is who the battle must be won over. Do they continue to live in fear or do they take that step for hope and prosperity.

The next year will see an assualt on the Scottish goverments powers, orchestrated through the media, The Brittish are going to try and put the jeanie back in the bottle. I see alot of unrest ahead as Scotland battles for its very democracy.
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Rabbies Wee Bruthir,

16/11/2008 08:49:15
#1 Rufus T diddley fly
Rufus, the Scottish Government doesn't have a universal power to vary Income Tax, as is stated in the Scotland act, any proposed change must be sanctioned by the Chancellor of The Exchequer, and if it is increased the block grant will be adjusted accordingly, as will it be adjusted accordingly if it is reduced, in other words the block grant would be reduced if the IT rate is increases or decreased, and it can only be changed if a Onionist Chancellor allows it.
Ergo the Scottish Parliament does not actually have a inilateral right to vary the rate of Income Tax at the moment.

The whole friggin thing was Dewars idea of making it appear, by smoke and mirrors, as if Scotland was achieving some sort of 'fiscal freedom', which of course it hasn't got.

I really do wish some of you Onionists would actually read the friggin acts your Cockamamie cohorts in England have enacted.
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Border Scot,

16/11/2008 08:56:45
#116 - It's true. There is a huge conspiracy involving all levers of state power and all branches of the media to cover up the massive electiral fraid that took place in Glenrothes. Afterall, it is inconceivable that the SNP could have lost otherwise. There cannot be that many quislings in Glenrothes, can there?

I do enjoy the lack of self-awareness among the more swivel-eyed, English-hating nationalists on this board. Do they not understad that there rantings are one of the major reasons why so many of us Scots remain suspicious of nationalism?

Here's a tip: you are not going to convince the majority to support Scottish independence if you constantly accuse them of being unpatriotic, quislings, treachorous, afraid, weak, stupid and so on. Neither will you persuade us with made up stories about Gordon Brown calling himself a North Briton, massive electoral fraud in Glenrothes and so on. What might do it are coherent, well thought-through and persuasive arguments. But I will not hold my breath.
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Border Scot,

16/11/2008 08:58:46
#117 - Those damn English, eh? Forcing us to vote overwhelmingly in favour of the devolution settlement and never allowing us to vote for independence. It's all their fault, isn't it? Them and the quisling North Britons.

How's the medication going?
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Calum10,

16/11/2008 08:58:46
Everyone knows the Labour government's mind on devolution - it is to make it subserviant to London.

You can forget all this notion about "strengthening devolution", Gordon Brown sees Calman as a way to "substantially weaken the Scottish parliament" as part of his plans to lay waste to Scottish identity.

I just wish these "fecking idiots" who have signed up to this process under Calman would stop lying to themselves and Scotland about this nonsense.
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morris,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 09:04:45
113 You are correct The parliament is designed to be Unionist dominated That's why the PR system which exists there was employed.Its pretty impossible for the SNP (or any party) to ever have a majority in this parliament,without also having a level of support which renders Scotland independent anyway in any referendum which could be held(although it would only confirm what we already knew).

Similarly when the majority are not Unionists we will have an end to the Union.That is democracy.

What yous say is correct today.What happens at some future date will be decided through the ballot box.Where do you get the idea that because Scotland has not yet voted for independence that she never will? This is a decision which Scotland will make for herself,one way or another.
After Cameron is elected there are going to be people in Scotland who are going to say They did nae get in in Fife etc ! Oh yes they did and its numpties who voted Labour who elected the Tories (for the fifth time in living memory),and still cannot understand this!

When they have this pointed out to them (we already have but they choose not to think)after the result, some at least will recognise that what the SNP said was correct and we listened to the wrong people who already know they are out of No 10, and just want to save their own necks and mortgages or they might have to get a job and do some work,and how will they pay off the mortgage without endless unaccountable expenses ?

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We are responsible for ourselves.,

16/11/2008 09:26:35
#119 Eyup Border Scot, do us a favour and hazard a guess why Westminster moved the English maritime boundary north from Berwick to Carnoustie?
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Border Scot,

16/11/2008 09:34:15
#122 - It didn't.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 09:44:12
122 We are responsible for ourselves...........

Whats wrong with your Aberdeenshire Scot sign on today?

Or indeed your Kyle the Carrot sign on??

Is it your multiple personality disorder that causes you to do this?

No doubt you have numerous others too.

What a weirdo.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 09:44:19
#122 & #123
Anybody caught allegedly fishing illegally in a 60,000 square mile box extending up somewhere to around Arbroath would appear in an English court.
If this is not moving the border then what is ?
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Brideun,

Culloden 16/11/2008 09:45:45
Taxes smaches. The power to raise taxes - ugh! We should be clammering to remove tax. I could save millions immediately by scrapping the unnecessary Gaelic subsidies. Next reduce public sector pension perqs, get rid of index linking and be on a par with the private sector. Be hard nosed on the won't work brigade by with-holding benefits. So many areas of the economy more important than whinging about the illusion of freedom.
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16/11/2008 09:47:34
122/125

I would not take advice from Border Scot on boundaries. He claimed that Scotland and England were one country despite living on the border between the two.
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brownlie,

16/11/2008 09:59:01
129 Bird of Prey

Leave my chum Rufus T alone. He is single-handedly converting millions of north Britons to unionism. Pubs in Glasgow nowadays are chock-a-block with Morris Dancers, prancing and singing to the rafters songs like "Fool Britannia" and "God save our Gracious Mandy". The shot-gun, hunting tweed jacket and monocles manufacturers are doing a roaring trade - thanks to Rufus.
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John S,

16/11/2008 10:00:47
#113:Rufus T. Firefly.Your answer wasn't good enough to the question-Why is the UK (English)dominated Parliament desperate to keep Scotland within the UK ?
Think-Why the 1979 devolution referendum with that silly/daft 40% rule.
Think-Why hide the 1974 McCrone report ?
Think-Why PR for the Scottish Parliament ? when the Labour Party also promised PR for the UK elections. etc etc.

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16/11/2008 10:08:45
"129 Bird of Prey, Will Pan what you say,Roseburn Terrace embra 16/11/2008 09:49:53
124 Rufus T. Firefly/ciderman/vimto/AM2/weirdo/tranny..

Posting 24/7 rubbish again are we ? I would love to pan your lights in. Your in Edinburgh did you say ?"

Issuing threats now I see.

When all else is lost, you threaten violence. A typical Natz reply. Threatening violence.

There is probably some law against that......
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 10:20:32
126 Bird of Prey, Will Pan what you say,Roseburn Terrace embra 16/11/2008 09:45:41

"Labour may think they are invincible but whats to stop me from landing one on Ian Grey when he visits the Minto Hotel on a Friday night ? Nothing."

Another threat of violence against Ian Gray this Friday night at the Minto Hotel from the same person (Bird of Prey, Will Pan what you say).

You might find yourself getting a visit from the police.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 10:33:04
Rufus T Firefly (consortium).

I note your first post on this forum was timed at 22.51 last night, and your most recent post is timed at 10.20 this morning.

Do you work a shift system?

How many Lard George Foulkes acolytes make up your number?

Remember him? You guys used to think he lived in Muirkirk !

Do any of your group know where Ayrshire is?
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 16/11/2008 10:35:09
challenge to all the anti nationalists who post

read the mccrone report then tell me that westminster looks after scotland

i believe that the scots are a very stupid poeple they wont vote conservative so the conservatives kick them when they are in power
they do vote labour who realise that they dont have to do anything for them because they will vote for labour anyway
try and tell me that the scots arent dumb
all you really deserve is unemployment
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 10:39:22
136 Bully

You should be more concerned about the threats of violence on here as opposed to the times of my first and last posts.
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Publius,

Girvan 16/11/2008 10:47:54
Never mind Rufus. Back to the article.

I've no idea what will be in the Calman Report, but there has to be an overwhelming reason for not accepting any recommendations about taxation and fiscal policy generally. Even after 10 years most Scots still support devolution rather than independence or direct rule by Westminster.
Money was always the weakest part of the original devolution design. Labour at both Scotland and UK level said 'let's get that wise old Calman to have a wee look at it'. For Labour to reject Calman would betray Scotland!

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16/11/2008 10:53:21
I notice that Rufus T. Firefly and the group just want to take the p*** and are wind up merchants who get their "jollies" and a tingle down their legs on these forums.
Is this normal behaviour ?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 10:59:41
#140 Rufus

I have never issued any threats of violence to you or to anyone else.

You post puerile drivel and it is too easy to destroy your dribbling merely by using logic and fact.

You may have been poor academically at school and as such you find understanding life in the big bad world as a struggle, however help is at hand.

With the SNP Government’s education policies helping the disadvantaged, both educationally and financially, you can be sure that people in your position will now be catered for.

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tommy M,

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So do we get control of our oil and gas revenues as well then?
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Bejjy,

16/11/2008 11:24:45
#160 Aberdeenshire Scot

Why a new moniker?; are you fed up with Ayrshire Scot, Los Angeles and all the other numerous monikers you use.
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Another Saturday Night,

16/11/2008 11:26:08
Salmond has done more damage than good.

Time to hand up his Btaman suit and geius peace
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 11:27:17
159 What are you doing here ? You sound sensible. No of course we don't, that's the catch. This is a Trojan Horse - SNP beware.
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Bejjy,

16/11/2008 11:29:28
#159

You ask some daft questions you do.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/11/2008 11:45:10
Apparently Bird of Prey's main diet consists of fireflies.
With the odd ASDA jam doughnut, for variety.
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spartina2,

Tarn et Garrone 16/11/2008 11:52:45
Posts 65&167 Sum it up for me.

I have had to find employment outwith my mother country (Scotland) for some 5 years now.

This is because there are few industries left in Scotland, those that are would rather employ immigrants that they can pay the basic minimum wage than pay a Scottish citizen a wage he can live on.

So all we get are a "parliament" of self promoting CLOWNS whose main aim is to foist follies such as this upon it's citizens, THESE CLOWNS ARE COMPLETLY REMOVED FROM REALITY.

Rant over.
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Hermann,

Norway 16/11/2008 11:55:38
The gutter newspaper News of the World reveals disgusting and decadent behaviour from HBOS executives staying at a hotel near Chester. They also ruined a wedding party.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/73610/HBOS-Sex-and-cocaine-shame.html

Here is an extract:
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“ OUR snouts-in-the-trough bankers are at it again. And this time their depraved antics in a sordid drug- fuelled ORGY are even harder to stomach.

For today we reveal how a swaggering group of HBOS executives had sex with a naked female colleague at a hotel after one of them SNORTED COKE off her BELLY BUTTON.

The loadsamoney louts also WRECKED a wedding weekend— keeping guests awake by hammering on their doors through the early hours.”
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In my view HBOS needs nationalising and an enforced clean sweep - starting from the top.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 12:00:25
179 you have misunderstood, my post meant that the SNP should beware the Trojan Horse of the Calman Commission.

What are you greeting about I had to leave Scotland too for work. That was in the Thatcher days, I don't want to see them again that's why I'm a nationalist.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 12:29:32
There you have it people.

Observe the postings of the educationally sub-normal morons such as “Firefly” and his (?) various monikers, and ask yourself the question, “Do I share the same values as these people”?

It is a bit like watching the participants in an “Orange Walk” and being aware those such balloons are treated with total contempt by all thinking people.
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aljok.23,

the world 16/11/2008 12:31:27
Of course Scotland will be left with nothing other than the suit it was born in ,before the Empires powers will stop stealing from the Scots but I will vote independence all the same. Walk away and start again. Independent from a dictatorial power which creates misery for anyone it desires to. We have a toothless population. Poor who wish to remain on handouts and rich who align with the leaders who made them so. To all the people of the British Isles who revel in the misery the rest of the UK will face just to keep the rich happy, you know who and what you are.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 12:37:57
The fruitfly is obviously being faked, that's very boring and doesn't actually help the case for independence. I'm here, because the Sunday Herald seems to have crashed, even with it's new software. They must be having to weed out bad posts. People should just post under their own godammed names and stop being juvenile.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 12:42:28
IF these claims are correct that Calman is recommending some form of fiscal autonomy it certainly does not mean to say that Westminster will ever approve it.

How on earth can one part of a small country like the UK set different tax rates to another? The Scottish Parliament has been very wary of using the tax varying powers already contained in the Scotland Act.

After 10 years of Devolution, it is patently clear to
a blind Unionist that the UK has evolved into a quasi-Federal state in everything but constitutional name. The antediluvian 20th Century British is long Gone With The Wind.

However, it would be ridiculous for each part of this new loose political arrangement to have separate taxation policies.

What would be the point of Scotland remaining part of the UK?

Let's just pretend that nothing has changed whilst we still continue down the Federalist route. Otherwise the only eventual winners will be the Nationalists.
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Russell M,

Stirling 16/11/2008 13:00:30
"There has arisen gradually, on the part of England, a desire of engrossing the exclusive management of Scottish affairs, evinced by a number of circumstances, trifling in themselves, but forming a curious chain of proof when assembled together; many of which intimate a purpose to abate us, like old Lear, of our train, and to accustom us to submit to petty slights and mortifications, too petty perhaps individually to afford subject of serious complaint, but which, while they tend to lower us in our own eyes, seem to lay the foundation for fresh usurpations, of which this meditated measure may be an example." February 1826
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 16/11/2008 13:14:00
188 A good post Russell - the pretext of these faux powers is to make MSP's accountable - to Westminster. We need to assert the principle that Holyrood is accountable to us. OK, that's quite cheeky because on paper the Parly IS subservient to Westmister, but that doesn't mean we need to accept it.
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TWC,

16/11/2008 13:31:27
This is a nothing offer, we have to control Energy and all taxes ie. full Fiscal Autonomy, anything less is just a con.
We do not need big brother to collect our money for us, we can collect our own money and contribute a fair amount to the treasury.
Calman was always going to end up here, I hope the Libdems & Tories reject this.
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dude,

wishaw 16/11/2008 13:35:43
So Gordon 'im from north britain' Brown the Scotland hater and orangeman states there will be nothing in it for Scotland whatever calman pronounces. This man should be held up for what he is, a chancer and an extremist who does not have the moral fibre to hold high office....

'NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT' as the relevation that Gordon Brown is an orangeman, was a member of the apprentise boys, now we all know where his hatred of Scotland comes from. How can a man with his extremist views become PM and actively destroy Scotlands in any way he can " i will do anything to prerserve the union"
in the name of 'brittishness'
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puskas,

East kilbride 16/11/2008 14:02:41
Our Scottish SNP led Government are not stupid. Tax raising powers?

What would that be exactly.

Brown has betrayed his country in the name of unionism along with the cabal of loathed Labour MP's at Westminster.
HBOS and Scottish jobs thrown to the wolves, Money withdrawn for the English, London Oloympics etc ..

Brown and Darling have to be watched on this move on tax raising powers.. Of all the cunning manipulative moves behind the scenes this one is the most dangerous to Scotland becoming Independent.
As another poster has said all tax's ... All tax's and of course oil revenues would have to be on the table.. If all tax revenue across the board is not included, Westminster will have to go back to the drawing board wouldn't they..

This Calman commission will be thrown out by the people of Scotland when the sh*t hits the fan...

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noswod,

Honestas 16/11/2008 14:40:02
Total value of budget = £31bn. Total value of income £28bn deficit £4bn. At the moment the difference comes from the Southern Britains. Under the new powers the difference will have to come from the Scots looks like taxes will have to go up by 10-15% range to stand still. The Barnet formula has been cash in the bank for Scotland ever since 1979. Why can't we keep our mounths shut and keep banking the cash for the best funded public services in the UK. Tax independence means higher taxes for the Scots. Scottish Oil does not fill the gap, its all been sold off we have no control, price goes down as well as up, its a depleating asset, new fields cost a fortune and its very risky. We also would have to take our cut of the National Debt no doubt skewed to take account of 65 years worth of overspending in Scotland. Theres defence and other centrally provided services. UK defence keeps Scottish manufacturing alive and the Holy Loch in business thats another £5bn per annum. All of this is before we start to add up the funding for the managerial diasters of RBS and HBOS maybe £250bn in total. Scotland is well bust! however Slamond the elite economist tries to add up the numbers. Scots will always vote to keep the money flowing North.
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Nikostratos,,

16/11/2008 14:42:45
#194 Aberdeenshire Scot,


"Welcome to Scottish uninists.com, all negative sneering and abuse, all the time."

Yep! that's what we patriots have to put up with from you rebels..
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TWC,

16/11/2008 14:50:19
195 noswod,
That is why Scotland should have fiscal independence that way if we don't have it we can't spend it.
Personally I think your numbers are wrong but that doesn't matter give us control of our purse and we'll pay a fair proportion to the treasury. Now what's wrong with that?
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We are responsible for ourselves.,

16/11/2008 15:01:10
#194 Ahoy hoy old bean. Odd that Rufus posts at the same time as that old chap Moulder used to...
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Alan Reid,

Ringkobing 16/11/2008 15:45:53
What Scotland is crying out for is to run its own affairs. At the moment I’m working here in Denmark, a country that has one of the highest standards of living in the world. We have similar populations, but Denmark has a very small oil industry compared to Scotland, however it is independent. Like Norway they make they own decisions for the betterment of their country, unlike Scotland that is held in an unjust Union.
The UK government has tried to play up the trouble Iceland’s bank are in, however it is Norway with its 200 billion pound oil fund that is coming to its aid.
All countries are being affected by the credit crunch, and the UK will be one of the worse. I find sickening that the Unionists try to attack the SNP and Mr Salmond using this lie that an independent Scotland would be a broken country. Scotland really is the only country in the world that has a lot of oil reserves but is still relatively poor.
The people of Glenrothes have in falling for the lies of Labour have shafted Scotland!
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TWC,

16/11/2008 16:02:42
I don't think the current Labour Party realise that in using Calman to deflect the wishes of Scots they have succeeded in creating a common cause for Unionists and Independence Parties; the desire for Fiscal Autonomy inside or outside the Union.
If Calman doesn't go far enough the swing to SNP could be huge, I for one am fed up listeneing to the people who say we can't afford to run our country.
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Alan Reid,

Ringkobing 16/11/2008 16:07:48
195 noswod, Please don't forget the Devenport V Roysth affair in 91. The UK tory gave the refit contract to Devenport for a ”political decision”. It cost 3000 Scots their jobs. And the UK taxpayer has had to pay out over a billion and a half pounds because Devenport DID not have the proper equipment and facilites!! Plus Roysth was 22 million cheaper. So there you go mate! The English dominated Westminster will always shaft Scotland, just to keep English workers in jobs and tho save the ass of a Tory MP.
However in an indepedant Scotland would not be spending BILLIONS on WMD’s, thus saving billions for other needy causes, cause for thought eh?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 16:38:32
What a glorious day.

Not only was the sun shining but we had the sad, sad sight of the Bird of Prey, issuing threats of violence (because make no mistake, thats what they were) After all, only one interpretretation can possibly be made from "Rufus.....I would love to pan your lights in. Your in Edinburgh did you say ? "

As soon as he thought he might be in trouble over it, he pressed the Panic button, and apologised and pretended it was all a joke and/or a misunderstanding.

How pathetic. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Then to add insult to injury he was backed up by the weirdly obsessive, Aberdeenshire Scot/Ayrshire Scot/We are responsible for ourselves/Kyle the Carrot or whatever he chooses to call himself today.

It was like Julian Clary coming to the rescue of Graeme Norton.

Priceless as the say.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/11/2008 16:47:38
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Heh. Why does he have so many signons?

Coming from you Alfed E.Neuman...has he hit a nerve?
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/11/2008 16:49:57
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Good Evening Mr pipe cleaner;-)
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ricky40,

16/11/2008 16:53:20
Rubbish! Just because some-one says "I would love to" does not mean that they would actually do it. You might, for instance say "I'd like to do naughty things with Julian Clary or Graham Norton" and despite desperately wanting to, you would still be a long way from actually doing it.

Talking about that, when you're in a hole stop digging and stop accusing people of multiple monikers when you and your friends do so on a regular basis.

I believe your "fakes" were really you, trying to cover up your more embarassing posts in the manner of Paisley Peter who sometimes would act exactly the same.

Do you not mind getting shown up by yourself and by others on here on a regular basis.
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subrosa,

16/11/2008 16:55:12
# 227

I tried to 'join' your blog but wasn't accepted by the looks of it. Because my blog is attached to my business I applied as anonymous. Is that unacceptable?

Anyway I don't mind sport comments one day a week but you won't attract the multi-tasking sex if you make it more than that :)
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16/11/2008 16:57:43
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Look at your blog;-)
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/11/2008 16:59:59
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subrosa

Multi-tasking sex sounds like fun.

Is there a course?
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brownlie,

16/11/2008 17:09:09
238 Conan

No, we're not inter-courses at the moment.

236 subrosa

can you post on it as anonymous2 because I already post on there as anonymous in order to protect the innocent(me).
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 17:10:10
#225 Aberdeenshire Scot,16/11/2008 16:44:04
221, 224 etc, Rufus/Engglish/ Stirling etc

How you regard me is of no interest to me or to anyone else I would imagine.

And yes you know you are faking me.

Whatever turns you on though eh.

You stil fantasising about my "pee-stained pants"?

ROFL

"Pee-stained pants", what a weirdo.
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Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 16/11/2008 17:11:01
Calman Commission, load of rubbish and waste of tax payers money. I thought a Commission was supposed to investigate all aspects of Devolution not just a limited scope of subjects for the Unionists. Question for the Unionists. Why doesn't Scotland just have full Fiscal Autonomy and be responsible for ALL the money she raises and remain a part of the UK. There lies the problem ,Scotland would be better of than her neighbour to the South, yep Independence can't come quick enough
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16/11/2008 17:11:20
236 subrosa

Helpful hint - you could post as anomymous 2 or AM2 for short.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 17:12:33
#242 Spook, where did you find the picture of that hunk to put on your website?

:-)
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/11/2008 17:14:26
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OK spook.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Labour-goes-on-the-buses.4656239.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000#3404669
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 17:17:19
Spook, Bird of Preys post was out of order.

I get plenty of abuse on here. Thats fine. Its water off a ducks back to me.

If it wasn't I would not come on here.

His post over-stepped the mark however.

I know that whenever such threats have been made on the Rangers and Celtic websites, the police have been very quick to step in.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/11/2008 17:21:51
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"I get plenty of abuse on here. Thats fine. Its water off a ducks back to me."

AM2 used to say that.

But he only ever posted as AM2.

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Conan the Librarian™,

16/11/2008 17:30:40
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Mussels with a white sauce?
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/11/2008 17:36:06
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One day spook, subtlety in all it's glories, shall be revealed to you.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 17:36:21
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"I get plenty of abuse on here. Thats fine. Its water off a ducks back to me."

AM2 used to say that.

But he only ever posted as AM2.

Hey Conan, do you seriously believe that I have multiple sign ons? I can assure you I dont. Obviously I cannot prove it.

One sure sign though that I am not Am2 is the quality of the posts.

Whether you agree with him or not, his posts were high calibre with plenty of stats to back up his points (unlike mine).

Most of my posts are made on a mobile phone and as a result are a lot shorter, a lot less detailed and obviously no where near as good as the legend that is Am2.

When I do use a mobile phone, I do not have access to google and I cannot cut and paste, and thats when I get Nevsky to do all my legwork.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 17:40:46
Spook, when I check the RSS posts, I cant see the deleted stuff. I always found that a bit strange.

No need to check it anyway as I cut and pasted it above.

Whether he knows who I am or not is immaterial.
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ricky40,

16/11/2008 17:47:35
260 Rufus T. Firefly

It does not matter whether he knows you or not as long as you can remember which moniker to post under.
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ricky40,

16/11/2008 17:49:39
Can anyone remember who used to spell faker as fakir on here? I seem to recall that is was Paisley Pete under one of his many aliases.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 16/11/2008 17:51:21
What a wonderful country! Brown gets us into massive debt.We borrow money from China.At what cost? Interest PLUS an abandonment of the people of Tibet.

Makes me ashamed to be associated with Britain and even more ashamed that Brown was born and raised in Scotland.
Oh and even more in favour of independence!
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16/11/2008 17:52:29
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You haven't made it then...
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 17:54:33
264 Ricky40 I only have one sign on my friend.

Why would I need more than 1?

Only a complete idiot would post under more than 1 name.

As in

Ayrshire Scot
Aberdeenshire Scot
We are resposible for ourselves
Kyle the Carrot

And many others.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/11/2008 17:57:27
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Is your friend ok with it?

Signwise that is.
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 18:06:55
269# Rufus, Aberdeenshire Scot is still covinced you and I are one and the same, I have checked his his condition on the web,ie an unhealthy interest with soiled underwear . It states Paraphillia, sexual urges or behaviour that are considered deviant with respect to the normal . Perhaps this accounts for his bizzare postings, and delusional behaviour.
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 18:15:21
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Aberdeenshire Scot is certainly a dull fakir.
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She pretends to be your wife?
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Western Gael,

16/11/2008 18:24:44
Be wary of increasing the powers of any government entity, however cherished it may be. In the statement "Holyrood must be made more accountable by having greater powers to raise taxes.." there is a hidden, untended consequence, that the power to tax is the power to destroy.
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 18:26:20
Colenel Blimp 293# sorry that ones lost on me, anyway I am only holding the fort untill Rufus gets back from tea, so you will have to make allowances.
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ricky40,

16/11/2008 18:45:01
311 sm

"Oh wad some Power the giftie gie us...."
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16/11/2008 18:46:08
Is Rufus the new Union is Best?
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 18:54:44
315# Union is Best,
My thoughts exactly.
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16/11/2008 18:56:12
315 ricky40

Stop taking the mickey out of poor Rufus! Union is Best won the bye-election for Labour despite Rufus's attempts to sabotage it.
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16/11/2008 18:57:00
317 Son of...

Are you comical Ali??
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Weaston S Mare 16/11/2008 18:57:01
Apologies, my comment was for 316.#
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Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Toun Ayrshire 16/11/2008 19:00:58
The talk in political circles is that Gordon Brown wants powers clawed back from the Scottish Parlaiment to Westminster, such as the Scottish government is using planning permission powers to block the building of new power stations, the PM alledgedly wants these powers back, so he can go ahead regardles that the majority of us do not want new nuclear power stations, as most of us dont want trident, but we have it. The Calman commision is nothing more than a unionist smoke screen.
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 19:01:03
Brownlie 319# Afraid not, was he a legendary wit, I am just a beginner, but Rufus comes up with some belters.
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Davie from Irvine,

Auld Irvine Toun Ayrhire 16/11/2008 19:03:12
No mention either of the close on 1 billion pounds that Westminster owes us.
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16/11/2008 19:03:33
317 Son of ..........

Sorry my #319 should have read "Are you his comical ally?"
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brownlie,

16/11/2008 19:06:54
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Did you say duck and deceive, or words to that effect - the old eyes ain't what they used to be.
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 19:07:05
327# Brownlie, That is hugely kind of you, I would like to think I might be seen in that light.
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 19:11:14

Unfortunately Rufus is taking longer over his tea than I anticipated. The lure of the Bevy house has become irresistable, so I have to go, but thanks everybody for all the fun, your a bunch of good eggs realy.
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16/11/2008 19:11:33
331 son of

If you associate with Rufus the light could turn to darkness.
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16/11/2008 19:13:50
332 Union is Best

I heard the good Lord Foulkes took her in hand - if you'll pardon the expression - and taught her how to play the violin.
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brownlie,

16/11/2008 19:24:13
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This paper would drive you to distraction. All the expert stated was that "total fiscal autonomy MAY have some downsides" and did not quantify the amount or the nature of the down-sides.

According to the Scotland on Sunday, however, they appear to have rejected full fiscal autonomy.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 19:26:45
Spook what is bird of preys mobile number, i will send him a text as well.

Will give you the kyle and carrot links later when I am on my pc.
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brownlie,

16/11/2008 19:35:36
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I'm only complaining that they did not "sex it up" a bit and say that independence is fecked.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 19:37:51
Ha! Aber Scot has had my replies to him moderated.

Oh the poor wee sensitive soul.

The NatZ dont like it up em.

They can dish it out but they go running to teacher when they get it back.

Rock on Aber Scot.
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brownlie,

16/11/2008 19:53:43
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Your last para may be music to his ears - could be another convert.
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brownlie,

16/11/2008 20:00:20
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Heaven forbid!!

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16/11/2008 20:03:33
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Now, Now, don't get us unionists aroused.
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We are responsible for ourselves.,

16/11/2008 20:09:24
#354 Who would notice?

Observe the slight rustling in this Unionist chaps nether regions and you can see how futile the task is.

http://tinyurl.com/6ym8u5

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Rab haw,

16/11/2008 20:38:27
WHY WHY WHY Do they shy away from Scots standing on their own two feet fiscal wise ,? I KNOW the unpalatable truth is that Scotland has long subsidised our southern neighbours and the self deluding and self propogating of socialist objectives which have long lost their lustre, sinks home, to the parasites of our hameland, ie the Liebore party. Sorry you lied your way thru Glenrothes with the SNEARIN TEAM in force ie SNEARIN GRAY and co and your crawlin media but the unpalatable truth for you IS you are yesterdays nightmare and nothing about tomorrow unless you burden more of the future with your debts.
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16/11/2008 20:42:01
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16/11/2008 20:47:55
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 21:58:09
365# Aberdeenshire Scot,

Your efforts to distract attention from your deviant life style are to no avail. You have been well and truly grassed up by a couple of your mates, namely Ben Doon & Phil McCavity.I would respectfully suggest that everyone is not laughing at me, but with me.Why be so selfish you must know you are depriving a village somewhere of a perfectly good idiot.
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Weston Super Mare 16/11/2008 22:19:41
hello Aberdeenshire Scot, your right the old ones are the best, like the one about the Aberdonian who won the pools. His wife said "Hamish what shall we do about the begging letters" "Och" he said, " Keep sending them out,".
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 22:36:02
Aberdeenshire Scot,
20 mins is a long time to reply, as you use the same quips all the time you ought to be a lot quicker. I guess you are just not cutting the mustard.I am of to bed, Rufus will have to fight his own battles, a good night to you, I am sure our paths will cross again.
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 22:39:56
375# Colonel Blimp.
You are right I have got an original Bob Monkhouse gag book. On the flyleaf it says to Aberdeenshire Scot, hope this book will help you to develope your pittiable lack of humour, regards Bob, circa 1960.
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JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 16/11/2008 22:40:28
Not even fiscal autonomy! How pathetic, but entirely predictable.

The debate has moved on in any case and the clear logical choice is between the status quo (with minor meaningless amendments)and independence.
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subrosa,

16/11/2008 22:41:28
# 238

Conan, I'm sure Scottish Enterprise would fund one for you and if it was a good memory day, I could give a non-participative lecture. I always said my new hip and new knee would have disadvantages but the surgeon wouldn't believe me :(
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subrosa,

16/11/2008 22:45:57
# 239

I shall check it out very regularly and sign comments with this name. Great idea a quick flash blog. Now a section with that label on my own blog I'm sure will attract a few browsers.

Not to worry about the sport, I'm brain dead with it at weekends so an article or two won't make a difference. Shame about the rugby result though.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 22:47:20
"370 Aberdeenshire Scot,16/11/2008 22:09:35
368 - Rufus - try "Witty Responses" - "

The weird obsession of Aberdeenshire Scot/Ayrshire Scot/We are responsible for ourselves/Kyle the Carrot (or whatever he chooses to call himself today) with me continues.

How sad.

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Auch no, I have standards I like to keep :) Anyway Spook knows my style of writing.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 22:49:44
"369 Aberdeenshire Scot,16/11/2008 22:07:06

The village idiot gag not so good Rufus"

Was not my gag you weirdo, once again you are way off the mark.

Why not stick to talking about pee-stained pyjamas?
Your speciality topic.

Weirdo.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 22:52:07
Check out Aberdeen Scot talking to himself.

"198 Aberdeenshire Scot,16/11/2008 14:54:27
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Noswod seems unable to subtract 28 from 31 and arrive at the correct figure. we should surely take advice from someone who cannot count.Report Unsuitable199 We are responsible for ourselves.,16/11/2008 15:01:10
#194 Ahoy hoy old bean. Odd that Rufus posts at the same time as that old chap Moulder used to..."


Rock on Aber!

By the way I have to dash. I know I have hardly craved your obsession, but I am currently making my comments on tomorrows forum.

This one is history.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 22:54:29
"357 Aberdeenshire Scot,16/11/2008 20:19:37
346, Rufus, you do know "rock on aber" has no alliterative value, don't you?"

Well I never.

Its an alliteration contest?

The things that go on on this forum, Pee stained pyjama man.
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16/11/2008 22:55:19
I know Spook, it was a joke!
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Weston S Mare 16/11/2008 22:55:59
Hello Rufus 381#,
I have seen of Aberdeen Twot, he was very poor today, I think his deviant illness is taking its toll, he is reduced to asking the moderators to spare his blushes by having my comments removed.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 22:57:48
"The Spook in Leith"

I think you fancy Bird of Prey, he is cute, he came in at number six in a Mr Scotland compo and he is a year older than me, have i got you aroused.?"

Afraid not Spook my man, thats not my idea of fun.

Pass his details onto Ayrshire/Aberdeen Scot. The 2 of them could get together and have alliteration competitions.


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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 23:02:15
Hi Son of one of Stirlings finest.

Yes Aberdeen Scot is a sick deviant, best steered clear of. His obsession with me and with soiled underwear suggests he has some major psychotic problems.

He had my comments removed as well.

He is like the school bully, he can dish it out but when he gets it back he goes squealing to the teacher.

He also has a copy Rufus sign on and makes fake posts on my behalf and then answers them himself.

The poor guy is seriously disturbed.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 23:04:00
390 The Spook in Leith
"Btw i went out for a jog and it was freezing and some inconsiderate driver nearly killed me by running the lights at the junction at Craighall road and Ferry Road".

Maybe when he saw you running towards him he thought that the Aliens had landed and he drove off in a panic.
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WestonS Mare 16/11/2008 23:08:13
392# Rufus ,
Did you know that Aberdeen Scot is batting for the other side, and shares a passion for soiled underwear with his ageing partner Cecil.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 23:20:10
394, Would not surprise me.

I think maybe he is the 54 year old virgin that he constantly refers to.

I mean where does that come from?

Every day he goes on about a 54 year old virgin.

I think he uses it as an excuse to talk about himself.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/11/2008 23:21:23
395 The Spook in Leith

Yes Spook, it would not be funny I agree.

You should have got his number and reported him. These people should not be allowed on the road.
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Westfield Bairns,

Falkirk 09/02/2009 15:17:23
The Calman Commission or should i say the biggest waste of tax payers money. Unionists have no intention of handing any meaningfull powers to The Scottish Parliament. England already looks at Scotland and how better it is governed with the limited powers that it has. This fact reaaaaaly annoys the anti-Scottish Gordon Brown who is more interested in taking powers back for narrow self interest reasons.
However the Scottish people are now aware of the bad deal Scotland gets as being part of a Union. Independence would be the best deal for Scotland, always has been

 

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