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Published Date: 21 December 2008
POLICE have secretly created Scotland's first dedicated anti-terrorist force in a bid to prevent a repeat of the horror of the Glasgow Airport attack.
The 200-strong elite squad, which has not been publicly acknowledged until now, has brought together experts from covert surveillance and units tackling serious, computer and economic crime to combat the threat of Islamic extremists north of the border.

The new force – called the Major Crime and Terrorism Investigation Unit – will operate under one roof to stop potentially vital clues to terror atrocities "falling through the cracks".

The team has its headquarters in Glasgow but will reach across Scotland when needed, tackling major organised crime to stay "match fit" between anti-terror duties.

The unit is a direct response to events at Glasgow Airport, after the investigation into the incident highlighted the difficulties in running a major operation with numerous units scattered across a city.

Detective Chief Superintendent Ruaraidh Nicolson, the head of Strathclyde CID, said both the attack on Glasgow Airport itself – and the successful way a combined team investigated the incident – had prompted root-and-branch reform. "Something like that in the heart of your community is shocking and makes you question whether you are doing enough to prevent it happening again," he said.

The new unit includes many of the seasoned detectives who led Operation Seagram, the successful investigation into the attempt to blow up Glasgow Airport in June 2007 and botched efforts to carry out bomb attacks in London.

A 29-year-old British-born Iraqi, Bilal Abdulla, was last week jailed for 32 years for his part in the failed attacks, a huge humiliation for al-Qaeda, which inspired but did not plan the terror campaign. His co-conspirator, Kafeel Ahmed, died of injuries he received after trying to drive a Jeep loaded with petrol and gas canisters into the check-in hall of Glasgow Airport.

Scotland on Sunday can today exclusively reveal the official police response to the airport attack.

The MCTIU, which will become fully operational this week with the appointment of its first leader, is based under one roof at Glasgow's fortified Helen Street Police Station, which doubles as Scotland's detention centre for suspected terrorists.

It will have the ability to track terror – and gangland – targets by:

&149 Monitoring phone calls and internet use;

&149 Keeping tabs on all personal and business financial transactions;

&149 Authorising covert surveillance;

• Using a bespoke CCTV system.

MCTIU officers will also regularly join other forces up and down Britain to make sure they get the best possible experience and training in terror cases. The unit has some of Scotland's top crime-scene investigators and has recently retrained some to be able to deal with terror scenes, such as the aftermath of an atrocity with multiple casualties or an underground bomb factory.

Police chiefs believe they can get the best out of their officers by combining units investigating both major gangsters and terrorists. Senior detectives stress catching both kinds of criminals requires similar skills.

Nicolson said: "Serious and organised crime goes on every day of the week in this force area. So that will be our daily business but we will use all the same skills needed for investigating terrorism.

"That is how we will keep our people up to speed for when we have to face terrorism, of whatever level."

The unit will be based at Helen Street except for undercover investigators, who will work out of secret locations.

One key member of the team, economic crime expert Detective Chief Inspector Elaine Morrison, yesterday summed up the new squad. "We are joined-up," she said. "We are not in wee silos any more. We are all together."

The new squad will also work "hand-in-glove" with the Met's SO15, which has an overall UK role in defending Britain from Islamic extremists, and MI5, which also now has a base in Glasgow.

The initiative was yesterday praised by Professor Paul Wilkinson, one of Scotland's leading terrorism experts. "Putting organised crime and terrorism investigations together makes an awful lot of sense, not least because organised crime can be used to fund terrorism.

"Security services in and out of uniform are now working much more closely, having set aside some of their historic mutual suspicions."

Wilkinson, however, stressed that the only real way of keeping Britain safe was to keep up efforts to tackle the radicalisation of a tiny minority of young Muslims.

Nationalist MSP Bashir Ahmad said: "I hope that the new unit will work constructively with all of our faith and non-faith communities and we can work together to eradicate the scourge of extremist terrorism."


The full article contains 781 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 20 December 2008 10:25 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Terrorism in the UK
 
1

Fifi la Bonbon,

21/12/2008 00:31:59
If this were a real secret you wouldn't be reporting it.


2

Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 00:33:35
Dear Mr Bashir Ahmad MSP. People like myself as non-faith have never been a threat to humanity. It is the religious community as you call them that have, sadly yours included. YOU ARE WELCOME TO COMMENT.
3

Fifi la Bonbon,

21/12/2008 00:56:56
Shamus, first of all, you're wrong. There have been many atheist genocidalists - e.g. Mao, Lenin, Trotsky, and probably Stalin was an atheist even though he trained as a priest.

Secondly, unless Mr Ahmad is one of them cybernats he probably won't even read your illiterate comment. He's quite right to hope that the new cop unit will work with everyone to tackle extremists.

They will certainly need to keep an eye out for infiltration by the agents of the Muslim Brotherhood and their grimy wee pals in Hamas and the like.

4

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 21/12/2008 01:04:22
"A 29-year-old British-born Iraqi, Bilal Abdulla, was last week jailed for 32 years for his part in the failed attacks, a huge humiliation for al-Qaeda, which inspired but did not plan the terror campaign. His co-conspirator, Kafeel Ahmed, died of injuries he received after trying to drive a Jeep loaded with petrol and gas canisters into the check-in hall of Glasgow Airport. Scotland on Sunday can today exclusively reveal the official police response to the airport attack."

Yes, they took the already planned Major Crimes Investigation Unit and stuck the phrase "and Terrorism" in the middle.

If memory serves it was not the Security Services that foiled the Glasgow Airport attack, it was in fact foiled from a combination of poor bomb making skills and a quick thinking Baggage Handler.
5

Willie Macleod,

Wick 21/12/2008 01:09:17
#3 Fifi I agree there have been as many atheist mass murderers as those of faith.

Atheism does not = Humanitarianism
6

Scunnert,

21/12/2008 01:13:01
MCTIU will have the ability to track terror – and gangland – targets by:

Monitoring phone calls and internet use;

Keeping tabs on all personal and business financial transactions;

Authorising covert surveillance;

Using a bespoke CCTV system.

Welcome to the New World order.
7

Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 01:17:18
3# You seem to have managed to read my illiterate comment. I am not a Trot or a Lenin even a Stalin but they were tainted by religion. Mao was Mao. Still popular in China as far as I am aware . Atheism has never been an organised movement like the christians etc. Only organised movements have organised chaos!
8

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 01:20:34
Why am I not surprised that Salmond has not stood up and made his views on this matter clear....
9

Scunnert,

http://scunnert-nation.blogspot.com/ 21/12/2008 01:22:18
"Monitoring 'phone calls and internet use"

Do folks realize that it is their 'phone calls and internet use that will be monitored?

"Keeping tabs on all personal and business financial transactions"

And they'll be watching your bank acount.

"Authorising covert surveillance"

Talking to and recruiting your neihjbours as spies.


"Using a bespoke CCTV system"


"Bespoke CCTV are now offering high performance CCTV digital surveillance systems. Using technologies including the latest DVR's from Geovision and Softwell, with the latest features such as Face detection, epos integration and remote monitoring. Bespoke are leading the way in Digital CCTV Surveillance.
Bespoke use only the highest TVL security camera in installation, giving exceptional image quality and video playback when using our Linux embedded or Geovision Dvr's.
Remote monitoring allows you to see exactly all areas covered by our cameras from any internet connection. Both the Geovision and embedded Linux DVR's make this effortless.
At Bespoke we use the best technology the industry has to offer and we pride ourselves on being the most competitive in the market. We source the latest CCTV technologies from all over the world to guarantee our prices as being one of the lowest in the industry, but keeping the quality that only Sony, Geovision and embedded Linux systems can give."

tinyurl.com/729c8q

10

Lurking from home,

21/12/2008 01:22:42
Where's Rufus-T-Scottish-Laboour-Party?
11

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 01:29:32
RTF will be along shortly.

Before that we should get "Scotland Yard" on the "missing Salmond" case
12

Lurking from home,

21/12/2008 01:32:05
Can't.

Yours,

I. Cheever Loophole.
13

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 21/12/2008 01:37:30
Of the peg CCTV hasn't made any British town safer or more pleasant. Who's supplying the bespoke system and what will it cost? Does it see though walls and will they burst in with bespoke Glocks and Uzis?

Police recently arrested a man for carrying an egg with intent. As people sometimes do.

Scottish money was famously non-existent. When hbos and rbs transacted it like Icelands on a spree.
14

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 01:44:58
A sock and coins, on separate pockets .

A deadly street fighting tooll when combined.

Will they pick that up on CCTV?

Will they f....
15

Scunnert,

21/12/2008 01:45:29
Scottish Terror Abatement Security and Interdiction - STASI

Remind me - who was the last guy the MET's anti-terror squad arrested? That's right - an MP!
16

Lurking from home,

I can see for miles too! 21/12/2008 01:47:40
Rufus Twanker dot scot
17

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 01:49:55
Outstanding performance from Rangers.

Anti-football Hibs "paid the price" of "trying it on" against the Best
18

Shamus,

GLASGOW 21/12/2008 02:17:49
15# A TORY MP. KEEPS THEM REMINDED OF THE SYSTEM AND FOOD. I am sure he did not get the excellent food the miners got during the strike! Poor Chap.
19

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 02:21:44
People need to just get on with it.

There is too much moaning from the old people on this site
20

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 02:33:10
1 Aye for once you got it right hen.

Oh hell I'll post tomorrow I'm tired.
21

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 02:35:39
18 don't know if I can be assed tomoz so happy xmas and all that stuff we will fight again. X
22

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 02:39:40
19 it is only old people on this site apart from a very few haven't you worked that out yet ?
23

FTH22inarow,

21/12/2008 02:47:07
To be fair lets just lock up people in alphabetical order, so its asians, blacks and catholics first, before the self righteous brigade jump on me, its a fekin joke
24

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 02:48:46
#22

I don't pretend to "read people's minds".

I do know, however, that the standard of post has been declining recently.

We need to "get a grip"
25

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 02:53:16

Well, this maybe a step in the right direction, the biggest problem being, we are complacent, and are dealing with the,..'Scum-of-the-Earth'!

The old saying however, should,..'Win over Terrorism', that being,...

..."The Pen, is Mightier than, the Sword"!!

We can, 'Of Course' Fight Terrorism,...

...If and only 'IF' we take it serious!

One Wonders though?, as Elected Leaders, seem hell-bent, on making Policies, to gain votes, which gain,...

...NO-VOTES!,...
.....Such as, Smoking, and Drink!

Wrong Priorities!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'NO THE WONDER, SCOTLAND, IS IN SUCH A MESS!

As People like,..'bin laden', 'Laughs his heed off'!

He thinks we are all,..'Muppet's', if we continue, to find the, 'Opening-of-Bridges', 'Smoking', Alcohol, more important than the, 'Cave-Man' Laughing at us,...

...NO WONDER, He Will 'Strike Again'!

Time to STOP The, 'Pvssy Footing About', and to ACT on the Real Issues!!!!

Terrorist's Strike!,,HBOS goes down-the-wall,,Trump takes our landscape, Blah, Blah, Blah!

But that's 'OK' because,...

...Some are going Fishing!!

Anyone for some Salmon? :)

26

Finlang,

France 21/12/2008 02:54:32
#19 & #24 (and no doubt more to come)
BTO and whatever the alias of the day is

You really ought to STF up since your commentary is Grade A p!sh and the reading public knows it. YOU "need to get a grip."
27

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 02:57:23
#26

Thank you, and Merry Christmas
28

Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 02:58:26
23# You forgot tae mention the SNP Church of Scoottur. They will not be insulted as they are all sleeping just now. Waitin tae be saved innatt. Ra morra. It is ra morra, time flies.
29

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:00:54
A very tricky game for Celtic.

A fired up Falkirk.
30

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 03:03:02

I can see for miles ~27,

Aye!, "Merry Christmas" Alright!

It WILL-BE, If the,...'Truth-Tellers', Such as you and I, are not Banned! :D

31

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:04:24
Charles "won't be the first time".
32

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:05:48
Charles

I know you are not much of a "football man", but do you know if Celtic still have season "books"?
33

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 03:09:13

Dealing with the, 'TRUTH', Is Hard for some!

NOT!, For Me!, 'Long time Dead' and all that!

Realism!, 'IS'! Living in the,..'REAL-WORLD-OF-TODAY'!


34

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:11:54
#33

Good post.

Box sets DVDs save the world.

Known that for "some time". Seals and whales just "don't work for me"
35

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 03:12:39


I can see for miles, re:#32,

Don't want to say too much, bit it was a supporter, that has wrecked my DYW's Life.



36

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:16:50
You were a season book holder?
37

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 03:19:51


NOT! That I am calling all, ...'Celtic Supporters' as,...

..."Terrorist's"

More a 'Home-Grown' Guy, That was has Hearts at Heart!


38

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:21:37
I like Hearts, as all their fans know
39

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 03:29:14

I can see for miles ~36,

Kinda of like that, yes indeed!

Yes! I was also "complacent"!, now to my regret!

Others that are,...'Hell-Bent' in Destroying Lives!

Don't Anyone think, they are free from,..."Terrorism"!



40

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:31:09
You can't hode for terrorism.

You have to "meet it head on".

No easy jail sentences......
41

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:31:51
Or even hide..
42

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 03:32:12


The,...'GOOD-NEWS' Is However!

I don't think, 'bin laden' will strike Tynecastle! :))
43

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:37:30
Charles

Not enough people "in the gorund" to make it a "good target"
44

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 21/12/2008 03:49:00
I see all the sensible people have gone to bed leaving the forum to Chuck and BTO to talk football, DYW's and other sources of misery.

I 'll come back when senile and juvenile have gone to bed.
45

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 03:49:19


I can see for miles ~43,

More People at "Glasgow Airport", that at Tyncastle?

Now that is sad! :((

:))

46

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 03:50:22


I can see for miles ~43,

More People at "Glasgow Airport", than at Tyncastle?

Now that is sad! :((


47

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:53:57
#44

Don't hurry back. Don't want to get your " back trouble" again
48

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 03:54:09


KampungHighlander ~44,

Whats the Problem?

Join the spirit of the living!, this IS Life!

And a Merry Christmas to you! :)

49

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 03:56:55
So let me see.

A few things SNP don't have... the list is so long...

Top two

1. Healthcare policy

2. Pension funding

3. Unempolyment


50

Chatatara,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 04:06:42
M.C.T.I.U. Thats far too long for a start. How long will it take them to get from say Aberdeen to Glasgow .Hope they are supplying helicopters as the trains will not do it for them [ or the buses ] Could be a good idea if it was to actually work
51

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 04:13:16
The issue is not distance, is is easy of mobility.

52

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 04:13:46

I can see for miles, 49,

We do however, have Mr Grin!, Probelm is, He will not Win!


53

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 04:18:22

Chatatara ~50,

Clever Comment Indeed!

As a 'foot-note', We Will have the, "Trams" However!
:)

54

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 04:22:55

"Trams", "Trump", "Gazump"

Salmond does it well!, we can tell!


55

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 04:26:02
The Salmond Slump...
56

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 04:34:19


Honest Question, Please Reply!

Has Alex Salmond, ever given a,..'Press Interview', about "Terrorism"?

If so!, When and Where?

And I am NOT talking about the RIGHTS of 21year old's wanting to purchase a drink!

57

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 04:45:45
Let's tick the Salmond boxes

Bridges- yes

Underage drinking- yes

Golf courses to make money for another country- yes

Pensions- no

Healthcare- no

Terrorism- no



Did I miss anything?
58

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 04:55:10


I can see for miles ~57,

'Aye' The Proclaimers, as much as, I think, embarrassing, do have the song!

"Nae More"!

Never Mind, I am sure Mr "Trump", and "Salmond" are best of buddies! :)


59

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 04:56:33



Nite All!, Bed is calling me.

60

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 04:58:51
#58

Charles


Not a big "Proclaimers fan" myself".

Those sweaters that they wear make me fell itchy "just looking at them"


On or two decent numbers and after that, well it is history...
61

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 05:03:01

I can see for miles ~60,

Complete embarrasment, if you ask me, NOT You!, but the ones, that we are talking about, and drag Scotland down!

62

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 05:06:39
Chuck

Agreed

Time for me to catch up on my beauty sleep.

So, let's hand over to the SNP "hounds" who will save the nation with their posts
63

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 05:10:35

I can see for miles ~62,

Agreed!

Night-Time Shift over!



64

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 21/12/2008 07:25:49
"New Terror Squad for Scotland".
I wonder how many innocent people they will terrorise.

#4 I agree. Although the "authorities" said they knew about these people (if you believe them), it was ordinary members of the public and airport based security that helped stop them. And the main fact that prevented disaster was that being intelligent and educated doesn't mean you can make a bomb.
65

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 07:28:51
Rulesbutnotrulers goes straight in with the wee "three pointer question and sarcastic remark".

Not an "unused tactcic", but "rarely gets results"
66

Bluevoice,

Dubai, U.A.E. 21/12/2008 07:57:32
Surely an ANTI-Terror Squad???!!!
67

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 08:01:31
Rangers, and their proud support, should what it takes to " win a league".

Salmond should take a " feather from their cap"
68

an interested party,

21/12/2008 08:01:38
I for one feel relieved at our new terror overlords
and feel that those incidents of misuse of camping equipment terror will now lesson becuase of them.

what do you mean its not related, they told us it was so it must be
69

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 08:11:00
As I was doing my usual first thing on a Sunday mental review of the political scence, I asked myself, what has SNP done that was beneficial....


Tough question to ask yourself before your cornflakes
70

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 21/12/2008 09:26:56
-- As I was doing my usual first thing on a Sunday ..

The Earth didn't move.
71

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 09:30:05
Only the bowels
72

lulach mac gille coemgain,

21/12/2008 09:58:10
One mans terrorisht’s another mans freedom fighter!
73

ZipptJeffrey,

castle 21/12/2008 09:58:17
Questions:

So if this new unit as bee nset up, can we assume that Acotland Yard's incompetent Special Branch will not attempt to intefere in Scottish investigations? And to ensure that Special Branch as no jurisdiction under Scottish law. The reason for saying this is that all the London based supposed "terror" Scotland Yard departments have been compromised politically and info wise. The scottish lads will need to be kept arms length from that culture. Also its dubious that MI5 is now based in Glasgow/Scotland and is starting to infiltrate Strathclyde Police. MI5 presence here is not so much terror related than it is to do with political issues. Remember MI5's purpose is to maintain the status quo. So Scottish independence issues would be deemed "enemy action".

Either way the strathclyde Police terror group will need to act as if treading through a pit of snakes. Even in dealings with CC House. He is compromised has well.
74

Rufus-T-Firefly­,

21/12/2008 10:13:41
Man, I'm on fire this weekend. I've been on here since Friday afternoon, non-stop. I got the first post on 6 threads and was was so excited! I just sit here pounding myself and my keyboard and dishing it to them Natz with my great wit and incite all day every day.
75

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 10:19:15
RTF

The Nats are finished.

Saw it coming a while a go....

Nae posters left. Maybe a wee Marc Bolan.

You have to have a wee smile, and wish them luck
76

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 21/12/2008 10:21:17
57#yes,your brain.probably because it is non-existant.
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE AND A WONDERFUL NEW YEAR
77

Rufus-T-Firefly­,

21/12/2008 10:23:31
It is not true that i never leave my house, have no life and just sit here posting dribble all day and night. Oh no!

I recently took up a martial art! Oh yes. I have enrolled in my local Morris dancing class. It is quite strenuous, but so is doing my ususal 60 hour binge self abuse/posting sessions on here, I can tell you!
78

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 10:24:57
#77

My boxes are all ticked.
79

puskas,

East kilbride 21/12/2008 10:25:41
Its been known for a good few years that the anti terror squad has its main base yards from Ibrox.


A good choice in my opinion.
80

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 10:27:28
RTF

The odd Morris dance is "good for you"

When I have time (not much of that) I like to bird watch, and checkout trees.

Trees, you say...

Yes, I say

The colour and texture of every tree is different

81

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 10:28:44
#80

Unfair comment.

What's your source?
82

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 21/12/2008 10:30:47
77#Thats what's alarming to rational thinking people
83

Rufus-T-Firefly­,

21/12/2008 10:31:46
=======================================================
What did I miss?

I was just frantically shifting between windows to see if anyone has replied to me? I saw a reply to me on the other page, and got so over excited i just sat slack-jaw, dribbling a little and moning for a minute. Is ok though, I am back and ready to post more great wit and incite!
84

puskas,

East kilbride 21/12/2008 10:34:19
No76..

Shortly these comment boards will be a thing of the past due to the inept senseless posts. In the main from so-called unionist/Labour content.

Tony Blairs education, education, education failures everyone of you.

A Merry Xmas... Simple arithmetic on PPP/PPI has still to sink in . April?, I believe when the sh*t hits the fan..
85

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 10:35:45
RTF

Some posters lack wit and skill, and they just post rubbish.

Best to just humour them.
86

puskas,

East kilbride 21/12/2008 10:42:51
No82
Get a bus/subway to Ibrox . Head to the main Stand (
Built by the Glasgow Council )

Head West,
2nd Roundabout turn left.
Their you go a short distance and you can hand yourself in. You will be given a number. 828282. Just a little guide.

You will feel at home as the graffiti in the cells is mainly blue and white with obscene language.

If you can identify yourself I will make sure you get an extra pillow.

Hopefully that helps.
87

Rufus-T-Firefly­,

21/12/2008 10:43:25
86. Some posters lack wit and skill, and they just post rubbish.
=====================================================

Ha ha, too true. Not like me though. I am told by alot of people that I am extremly witty and clever
88

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 10:45:00
RTF

On yer sel
89

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 10:47:09
Ibrox is a "beautiful" stadium and part of Glasgow's history
90

Rufus-T-Firefly­,

21/12/2008 10:47:53
Still no replies! This is very frustrating. I post very witty and clever stuffg, and get very angry and frustrated when i am not the centre of attention!
91

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 10:53:43
RTF

Take it easy

Falkirk game to "look forward to"

1-1
92

Rufus-T-Firefly­,

21/12/2008 10:56:54
92. Where is Falkirk? I live in sheltered housing in Luton
93

I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 10:59:43
RTF

Went to the airport once. Didnae like it.

More a "football man" myself.

Where this is a game, I will go
94

Scimitar1,

Glasgowistan, 21/12/2008 11:03:36
One should not be taking advice from Ahmed,a man who was selected to that party under "irregular" conditions after an "unparalleled surge in SNP membership in parts of Glasgow" that even the SNP insiders thought "dubious" and didn't "know what to make of it."Who's parliamentary oath was to koran and who said immediately after the last election "...a school for the children of Muslim parents in Scotland was one of his main goals." Sunday Herald article - http://tinyurl.com/7mxp9y

Who alongside other Islamic bigots organised a demo disrupting a catholic mass at St Albert’s primary school claiming "Muslim children were being "forced to attend mass" and whom Father John Gannon labelled as "extremists".Daily record article - http://tinyurl.com/7mxp9y

On the substantive point ,the new group should investigate the goings on between the SNP and the so-called Scottish Islamic foundation, some say a front for the Hamas supporting Muslim brotherhood and led by the
ubiquitous Saeed a prospective SNP candidate, who has been “encouraging Muslims to vote along religious grounds” and urging extremists “not to co-operate” with the Special Branch.

Saeeds article on the “The return of the caliphate” should exclude him from parliament .
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/nov/01/religion.world


The setting up of this group is just a damage limitation exercise - the human pipeline is between Pakistan and here and ibcreasing.The blame for this predicament lies with the politicians , who are responsible for the uncontrolled mass- immigration into this country. They are the ones that have left a terrible legacy for our grandchildren, they are ones that benefit electorally. and they are the ones that can retire to the leafy suburbs far away far from the intractable problems they created. No wonder so many people are drifting away from the main stream parties seeing that they are not working in their interests.
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I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 11:09:00
#95

Blah, blah
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Nellie,

Liverpool 21/12/2008 11:46:06
#4 KapingHighlander
We never know when the Security Services have a hand in foiling terrorist raids. I was told by an informed source that they spoiled many more IRA/UVF/UVA bomb incidents and assassinations than those that were successful and deliberately not apprehending the would-be perpetrators, some of whom may have been their agents. So, I dare say they'll be doing the same with these so-called "Islamist" terrorists. You see, they don't always catch people because doing so may compromise the agents they have with these groups - only the perps', their bosses and the security service agent might know what's going down; so if the perps' are caught, then the agent and the intel' they are uniquely able to give, would be lost, resulting in deaths. .
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I can see for miles,

21/12/2008 11:52:18
#97

In words that everyone can follow.

They got it wrong, again
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thepedro,

Glasgae 21/12/2008 13:42:07
let me guess, it'll be used to come after us all when we do not put our bins out on the right days like councils in England are using ant-terror legislation down their for bin control
They misunderstood osama bin laden and so are going after all bins...
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daveserviceman,

edinburgh 21/12/2008 15:15:39
#6 Welcome to Scotlands Stazi Police State. Freedom to do what they want without warrents or Sherrifs directives
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The Ayrshire Bard,

21/12/2008 16:02:43
#107 daveserviceman. The erosion of civil liberties is certainly something to be concerned about. Already we have thousands of situations every in which members of the public have money extorted from them by 'wardens'.
No proof required, their word against yours. However, the terrorist threat is something else. These people play by no rules and respect nobody, even resorting to the use of children and mentally disabled people to use as suicide bombers. We must be prepared in any way possible to prevent the loss of innicent lifes.
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Hugh Roscombe,

21/12/2008 16:45:12
Shamus

Idiot. Where did you pick up your politics - Ibrox?
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Nellie,

Liverpool 21/12/2008 16:55:28
#98 "In words that everyone can follow. They got it wrong, again." Did they? The bomb didn't explode, did it! Sheer luck? Are the Al Q'ada bomb makers such amateurs they can't make a viable bomb after all their training? May be it was luck and maybe the Security Services were caught out. Or maybe they weren't.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 18:14:59
105# Never been in the place. Nevertheless the Sinn Fein IRA ARE STILL GENOCIDAL SCUM. ICLUDING THEIR APOLOGISTS.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 21/12/2008 18:32:51
#107 Oh, and I suppose the UVF and UDA were an innocent bunch of choir boys, then. Huh? Pot calling the Kettle black, mate. While the IRA may have had Alfredo 'Scap' Scappaticci, the other side had Brian Nelson
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Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 18:50:05
109# The Choir Boys were a reaction to the IRA because of the weakness of the British Gov. If the Brit Gov had done its job you would not have had a UVF or UDA.
The IRA deliberately targeted working class Loyalists as a matter of policy. And were protected by the Catholic community. As I said earlier it was genocide.
The Brit Gov have blocked families from getting justice in the Haig. The people that should be on trial are politicians now.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 19:24:12
#112, not a good idea.
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Boab,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 20:05:16
Wow, I missed the fun on this thread!

Hard to see how a police task force is going to stop people setting off home-made explosives - apparently it's not all that hard to make a gigantic explosive out of Ammonium Nitrate. If you want to stamp out terrorist operations at home and abroad, try to avoid training up 35,000 jihadists to carry out terrorist operations (like the CIA and MI6 did in Pakistan during the 1980s); and try to stay out of those illegal wars for oil.

Mike Davis' book 'Buda's Wagon' has a good chapter on Northern Ireland as well.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 20:08:24
111# Do yer pals call you Joe. Well Joe what do you say to the public comments from the top IRA Bomber and defector, Mr Collins. He stated publicly on the roger melly that he greatly admired the British Bomb Disposal people for their bravery. He said he was given orders to avoid Catholic casualties as it was difficult to explain to the families. As far as I know Mr Collins is still in the USA, OR MAYBE he has had the traditional punishment beating with the hurling sticks. The old heid smashed in. Check the word genocide. The IRA meet the criteria. We are not all stupid Joe. We know the score with you lot. Sometimes it is difficult to avoid standing on shoite.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 21/12/2008 20:59:33
#111 Joseph, I'm not presently convinced by what you say but history insists one keeps an open mind. I refer to the massacres of Irish Catholics in the South, which were blamed on Protestants but were, it is alleged (and there is some evidence to show this), men from Protestant AND Catholic communities in the pay of the British. Divide and rule ...
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Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 21:42:44
116# Who was the IRA gun runner crook that became the PM of Eire. How many Loyalists died from his guns! An eye for an eye Nellie. Yes Nellie it goes right to the top.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 21/12/2008 21:56:08
#117

I see you are happy to quote from the Old Testament. Let me quote you another:

Jesus said "You have heard that it was said, “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” But I tell you, do not resist an evil person." Matthew 5:38–39:

I take if you're not a Christian then, Shamus. Jewish or ... are you a Muslim?
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Nellie,

Liverpool 21/12/2008 21:58:09
120 I agree, the PIRA tactics were despicable in the early years, and not much better later! Dare you suggest that was a legitimate excuse for the t1t-for-tat cold blooded murder of innocent Catholics???

But just as the UDA/UVF struck back because of their sense of injustice (and it was unjust to kill innocent Protestants), the PIRA came to existence because they too had a sense of injustice ... and they had good reason to feel that way,. as well you will know! There was wide spread discrimination against Catholics by people in the majority Protestant community, not least by Protestant employers; their communities were under funded by Protestant LAs, their wants were generally denied,etc. They were largely kicked around. You know it. I'm not a Catholic, and I largely live on the mainland but I knew it! Democracy failed them because it gave them no influence, no voice because they were perpetually a minority. Little wonder from this emerged a militant group of people with contempt for the democratic process! I don't sympathise with them but I empathise because I know how it feels to try to have a debate, to try to express how I feel, to people who refused to listen, whose only response was to jeer, jostle and say "f### off!", and never to address the issues I wanted then to discuss. How did I feel? Frustrated and damned angry. In no time at all, I just wanted to batter the barstewards. They'd easily have conquered me in a fight because because I was out numbered 30 to 1!! I still wanted to have a go! It would gave been suicide. It did occur to me to plot sneak attacks on each one of them when they were not with totivated those very misguided people. When the Liverpool Council was dominated by Militant Tendency the group. That's just a scaled down version of what mhugs, who persecuted anyone who did not toe their line (the stress killed some Council workers), I was so incensed by this behaviour, so filled with such a sense of injustice, I did co
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Nellie,

Liverpool 21/12/2008 21:59:08
...so filled with such a sense of injustice, I did consider assassinating their loudest leader. I didn't get any further than an outline plan. Had I been encouraged by others who felt the same way, the story may have ended very differently. But I'm just am just an ordinary guy! I understand what motivated those militants - a strong taste of injustice. I condemn what they did but I understand why they did it. I condemn because the murder of innocent people cannot be justified ... which ever side does/did it! There is no excuse. "He did it to me ..." is no excuse for doing the same to him. it is rank hypocrisy.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 22:50:15
118# Test
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Shamus,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 22:55:24
118# I responded to your previous posts. But it seems they were blocked. I mentioned the name of a leading trade unionist that was tortured and killed by the IRA during the early seventies. That could be the reason.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 22/12/2008 00:51:09
# 122 What, and the UDA never torture and murdered any innocent folk? How about poor Anne Ogilby, a Protestant from Sion Mills, Co Tyrone, who was beaten to death in a UDA club in Sandy Row. And her crime? Was she an informer? No. Did she belong to the IRA? No - she was a Protestant! So, her crime was? Suspicion of having an affair with a UDA woman's husband. Murdered in 1974 because a bunch of UDA women thought she was having an affair with one of their men. You may cite as many examples as you like about IRA torture, and despicable as they were, you will find as many committed by the UDA/UDF.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 22/12/2008 01:41:21
122# You are obviously quoting alleged atrocities by so called Loyalists to cover up your sympathy for the IRA. Och Nellie be honest. I am British and a Loyalist and honest. Do the same stop pretending. Your IRA MOB of scum SHOULD JUST ADMIT WHAT EVERYONE KNOWS. AND LETS GET ON WITH NORMAL BUSINESS OF making life better for working class people. Not killing them for an age old excuse of nationalism. Did you like the Beatles!
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Nellie,

Liverpool 22/12/2008 02:09:57
#122 Shamus. I am quoting atrocities by both sides. I empathise(d)with both sides, but I did not, do not sympathise with them. It is YOU who is making excuses for one side without admitting they were as bad as each other - you be honest about that - whereas I am not excusing either side. They were equally guilty of unjustified killing. An explanation is not the same thing as an excuse. But we can agree on one thing: making life better for the working class, not killing them whatever their religious allegiance.

Did I like the Beatles? Mostly not. I would rather listen to Runrig or Capercaille.
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Dunnie,

Canada 22/12/2008 02:48:48

Shamus and Nellie - GTF or get a room! You both have your respective heads - wee as they are - so far up your respective backsides, it's no wonder you can't see the light.

Get beyond the past - if you can.
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Udith Fonseka,

Colombo Sri Lanka 22/12/2008 06:56:15
Bashir Ahmad A Nationalist? Of what country? A member of what? The British Nationalist Party? Does he wear a Kilt? What Clan is he a member of?

Attention Other Posters!!

Is not the article about now and the future not 25 years ago or 400 years ago. As I and my Bhuddist Sinahelese family say to a French speaking Vietmanese Catholic gay co-worker born in Winnipeg, Canada. We are all brothers now----- What he says? I answer----Neither of us our cutting of the heads of Bhuddist School girls in Thailand or shooting 200 children in the back in Russia etc etc etc. Aw! Your right he says.
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Bella Beautiful,

all-over-the-place..... 22/12/2008 14:23:15
Shamus, small man with small mind....it's almost 2009 dear.
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Bella Beautiful,

all-over-the-place... 22/12/2008 14:26:34
Udith Fonseka,
what ya bin smokin' ya cracka? Tell it like it is, tell it like it should be. Leave the comedy to the comedians my friend. Is this the gong show...the gong has gone!!
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Bella Beautiful,

all-over-the-place..... 22/12/2008 14:31:13
Shamus,
has this been happening to you all your life dear boy?
You say something offensive, very soon your comments are removed from an intelligent debate, and before-too-long you are forgotten about....???
Shame-us??
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wholetruth123,

la,usa 23/03/2009 03:46:50
"New terror squad for Scotland"

These alternate meaning headlines are they done deliberately with the headline writer twisting the headline to give the opposite meaning. The correct headline should be:.

rh

"New anti-terror squad for Scotland"
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wholetruth123,

wla 23/03/2009 05:31:17
These headlines are done the same way the soviet freedom writers would place opposite meaning headlines which go un noticed by the censors and give the opposite meaning to alert and discerning readers.

For the state loving maroons are too dense to realize the opposite meanings buried in the article. Thus the same article gives opposite meanings to two different sets of readers.
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wholetruth123,

rla 23/03/2009 06:16:16
In fact the description is apt because this new scottish terror squad will spread plenty of terror around scotland.

 

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