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Browne savages 'shoddy' SNP for hoodwinking Scots



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Published Date:
06 April 2008
SCOTTISH Secretary Des Browne today launches an astonishing personal attack on Alex Salmond, accusing him of living in a "parallel universe" and of abusing his position to create rifts with Westminster rather than governing the country.
In a stinging assault against the SNP Government, Browne declares the First Minister is running a "ridiculous" and "shoddy" administration which, he claims, is attempting to hoodwink Scots in order to "foster grievance" against the UK.

And Browne accuses Salmond of deliberately trying to smear London as a bully in order to "shift attention" from the SNP's local income tax plans so he can "blame its likely failure not on those who designed it but on those the SNP demand should administer it".

In an article for Scotland on Sunday, Browne declares: "The propaganda exercise to support the myth the SNP is the only level of government with any interest in Scotland is both demonstrably ridiculous and, from the evidence of this week, the central focus of their activity."

Browne mocks Salmond's visit to America last week where, he notes, the First Minister has been "comparing himself to Thomas Jefferson".

"In the parallel universe that the SNP inhabit, everything the UK Government does is portrayed as either an act of betrayal or interference in Scotland," he adds. "It's time they got on with governing rather than fostering grievance."

His outburst follows a week in which SNP and Labour ministers clashed over the SNP's controversial bid to bring in a new local income tax.

Chief Secretary to the Treasury Yvette Cooper wrote to Finance Secretary John Swinney warning him about a £750m black hole she had identified in the local income tax plans.

She asked Swinney to provide the Treasury with answers on how the gap would be met, how much the tax would cost to collect, and for evidence on why the new tax would be better.

But the request brought an angry response from the SNP, with Swinney's spokesman accusing the Treasury of "trying to lay down the law to the Scottish Government and Scotland – as if we were just another Whitehall department".

Swinney also complained the Treasury was "not acting in an even-handed fashion towards Scotland".

The SNP's plans rely on Westminster handing over £400m a year it currently pays to help poorer Scottish families cope with council tax bills. However, UK ministers say there is no reason for them to do so.

Browne issues a cutting riposte to Swinney today, questioning his competence and claiming he has demonstrated "the SNP's inability to either understand devolution or take responsibility for ill-conceived policies".

Reflecting on the row, Browne adds: "Only in this parallel universe could a letter from a UK Government Treasury minister, in response to correspondence asking for views on a local national income tax, be described as interference… A statement of fact that there is a huge hole in the SNP's shoddy calculations in the document which they issued to the Treasury for comment is derided as bullying.

"All of the above is calculated to shift attention from an ill-thought-through policy that will make hardworking families across Scotland worse off, and Scotland the highest taxed part of the UK. And to blame its likely failure not on those who designed it, but on those the SNP demand should administer it."

He also rounded on the Nationalists for demanding new powers over the seas around Scotland. Browne said: "Before a UK marine bill is published, the SNP minister responsible has contrived a demand for a power grab when he is being pressed by responsible groups to work together with the UK government to safeguard the marine environment.

"It is, I suspect, much more about the blatant tactics of a separatist minority who want to promote discord and foster disagreement to attempt to kick start support for wrenching Scotland out of the UK. When this, the only issue which binds the SNP, is losing support in any authoritative measure, then manufacturing rows is where Alex Salmond and his cohorts go to political comfort eat."

He continued: "The third, and most fundamental, problem for Alex Salmond is that his emphasis on grievance rather than government is not only a disservice to the interests of people of Scotland, it is also beginning to wear thin amongst Scots."

Aides to Browne said his attack against the SNP signalled a major change in Labour's response to the Nationalist government, as the party seeks to puncture Salmond's prolonged honeymoon in Edinburgh.

Last night, in a further ramping up of the row, UK Government sources declared they will dismiss a request by Swinney to have the funding dispute adjudicated by the Joint Ministerial Committee, a Whitehall forum where issues relating to Britain's devolved regions are discussed.

A Scotland Office source said: "John Swinney doesn't understand that the Joint Ministerial Committee do not make judgments on matters of fact. It is a fact that the council tax benefit is only paid if you receive council tax, just as it is a fact that the sun rises in the east."

Browne's full-frontal attack on the SNP's competence will infuriate Salmond and Swinney, who have sought to build up the SNP's credibility since winning the election a year ago.

They insist that the local income tax is fairer than the council tax. They also claim the £400m a year council tax rebate cash is "Scotland's money" and should therefore be handed over to them if council tax is scrapped.

The Nationalists have argued that when Labour was in government at Holyrood, the £400m was viewed as being Scottish cash.

The SNP add that the question of funding is not a matter for Westminster in "any shape or form". They say the UK Government should provide a "reassurance" that will not carry out a "cash-grab" if the Scottish Parliament were to bring in a local income tax.

The row was triggered earlier this year after Work and Pensions Secretary James Purnell told Scotland on Sunday that there was no chance of the cash being handed over.

DES BROWNE'S ARTICLE IN FULL

The full article contains 1021 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

Angus Ogg,

05/04/2008 19:43:14
If there are any official Labour Party strategists out there, PLEASE...

Change your campaign to "Hope over Fear" rather than "Fear over Hope".

As a former Labour voter it is breaking my heart to see Labour making such a mess of this.

Labour lost the last election because of failure in the Labour message. PLEASE raise the game.

Alex Salmond is a charismatic and intelligent leader.

He has, above all, Scotland's interests at heart.

This is not an easy thing for Labour to combat. But Des Browne isn't doing it right with the above stuff. It just isn't the right way to tackle the current political climate in Scotland. Surely there are better brains at Labour HQ that can get an adequate strategy together ?
2

Castaway,

06/04/2008 00:14:18
Hoodwinking Scots - Labour has tried to point out that the SNP comes with policies which, Labour claims, could cost every Scottish household an extra £5,000 a year. Times 14 Aporil 2007
3

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06/04/2008 00:24:26
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/04/2008 00:27:38
Eddie, you should be ashamed of yourself. Even by your low standards, this piece was awful.
5

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 06/04/2008 00:30:16
Nothing new here then. Labour are still in denial about how the Scottish people voted last year.

Dear Des

Scotland has a Government whether you like it or not. Our First Minister is trying to do his best for the people of Scotland whilst in government. The right thing to do. Whether that means fighting for a better cash settlement from Westminster or promoting Scotland abroad in the richest country in the world, both of these things are in our interest.

If you wish to become an MSP and fight for a different way at Holyrood, then I'm sure your comments would be more welcome. At the moment, you have your hands full with Afghanistan and Iraq, so I suggest you concentrate on that and earn your crust, courtesy of us, the taxpayers. Please stop using your power and influence to court the media on matters which are reserved for Holyrood.

Perhaps you'll get the chance to become an MSP when David Cameron takes over at No.10 in a couple of years.

Yours sincerely

Satisfied member of the Scottish public
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ratzo,

06/04/2008 00:44:30
Expect many months of this from Des. On current polls his seat is one of the first to fall to the SNP at the next election.
8

democrate,

central Scotland 06/04/2008 00:49:50
Dear Mr Browne,

The people of Scotland know who has been hoodwinking them, and for a lot longer than the last 10 months. Where to begin?

MWD's in Iraq?

Education, education, education? PFI/PPF anyone?

MP's expenses? (As much for Mr Prescott's annual food bill as my granny gets in her annual pension?)

Party donations?

10% income tax rate?

Thatcher for tea?

Middens in Motherwell - whose fault?

A & E closures?

McCrone?

This is getting boring.....

Yours ever so sincerely,

Yet another satisfied Scottish voter, of the let's stand on our own two feet type.

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Colin R,

Bearsden 06/04/2008 00:50:57
I'm not an SNP supporter but I'd treat everything Des Browne says with extreme caution-he has had to apologise to Commmons many times for lying - he started the not intentional defence.
For the records his known lies include:-
1 Cockpit video of killing of Matty Hull
2 Pay and Allowances cuts
3 Iran sailors stories
4 Housing for forces
5 Hospital care

He has messed up helicopters, announced carrier contracts which are not signed, body armour, he pays a typist £414,000 for sore thumb / rsi but a limbless soldier injured in Iraq £16000.

He was actually warned amoved on the by the Labour biased speaker Michael MArtin for unacceptable commens about ALEx Salmond.
For a member of the law society of Scotland to conduct himself the way he does is appaling.
Thought you should all know. In many ways Des Browne is worse than Gordon Brown.
10

democrate,

central Scotland 06/04/2008 00:51:14
P.S. I forgot

SOCIALISM



(ha ha ha)
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Shamus,

Glasgow 06/04/2008 00:52:13
Salmond has not hoodwinked the Unionist community, Des. We are still intact and active. The NATS are dreamers and losers.
12

democrate,

central Scotland 06/04/2008 00:55:25
poor Shamus, a community spirit.
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06/04/2008 01:00:52
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Shamus,

Glasgow 06/04/2008 01:01:27
12# Do not underestimate our spirit.
15

Castaway,

06/04/2008 01:02:35
The Scottish Government and the FM have the unquestionable right, and indeed duty, to express themselves on any issue that concerns the welfare of the people and land of Scotland, and to make representations where such are required.
Do we still have a Scottish Labour Party if so who is there leader ?
16

Nebulous,

Aberdeen 06/04/2008 01:02:52
Just who is picking the fights?

First the refusal to continue paying the council tax benefit money. Then the way the prison building programme was funded to avoid triggering £100 million of Barnett formula money. An empty conference which did nothing but attack the SNP. Going back even further than that the worst financial settlement Scotland have had since devolution. All in case the SNP does something with the money that people like.

The Scottish people aren't stupid Des. Many of them have always been politically aware. Many more are becoming so. Your insane ramblings about £5000 per family lost you the last election. Where's my bill Des? When I go over the Forth Bridge for free, when my family get cheaper prescriptions, when my children don't have to pay the graduate endowment, when my council tax is frozen to give some relief on what has become an astoundingly unfair tax for many people. This Government has done more for most people in 11 months, without the powers they need, than Labour has in 11 years.
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Senga Jean,

Scotland 06/04/2008 01:06:36
Browne takes Labour to new depths. If this is the last distorted cry of a feckless and failed entity then I hope its passing is quick. Scotland can do without such insulting nonsense as it aspires to greater heights. The millstone of Unionism is a terrible burden. Yes ;lets throw off the yoke of these selfhating naysayers.
18

subrosa,

06/04/2008 01:06:42
Desperation leads to inaccurate ramblings. John Swinney did not ask for anyone's views of LIT, he asked the woman concerned if he could have a meeting regarding the Inland Revenue as I understand it.

Oh dear, and there will be much more to come from this embittered and pathetic individual who is 'in charge' of our troops. No wonder they're leaving in droves.
19

Shamus,

Glasgow 06/04/2008 01:12:02
16# You sound like a welfare junky.
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democrate,

central Scotland 06/04/2008 01:18:10
#19 Shamus

Not my habit to make personal attacks on posters, but I do not see the logic of your last riposte. Clearly you are on study leave as you can't spell and don't understand statistics, economics, history or politics and suffer from the inferiority complex most folk in Scotland have now jettisoned. My thoughts are with you.
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democrate,

central Scotland 06/04/2008 01:20:13
#20

Kilmarnock and Loudon...........at the mo.
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dave yae fife,

06/04/2008 01:21:02
Des go away nobody belives a word or endy says
23

Nebulous,

Aberdeen 06/04/2008 01:22:04
#19 Naww- The only welfare I've had in over twenty years since leaving school is child benefit.

In fact I'm probably paying a share of your welfare. Don't mistake me though, I think decent services need to be paid for. I do have an issue with many of the quangos and free-loaders.

I'm just looking for a bit of help in spinning out my hard-earned rather than another stealth tax. I'm also remarkably impressed with achievements from the SNP to date, with one hand tied behind their backs.
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dave yae fife,

06/04/2008 01:22:06
sorry missed the you
25

Matt there,

somewhere 06/04/2008 01:27:14
Ah, Eddie! He who takes a Labour Party press release and re-prints it verbatim.

You are not a journalist, Eddie.

You are a vent's dummy.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 06/04/2008 01:28:55
21# Please continue with having a habit.
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democrate,

central Scotland 06/04/2008 01:39:37
#28 Shamus

I was rather hoping to see a spirited defence of your position...........
28

ptdoug,

06/04/2008 02:19:44
GORDON BROWN PUTS THE SQUEEZE ON SCOTTISH FUNDING.

FUNDING DUE TO THE SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT IS BEING WITHHELD BY THE TREASURY.

Labour in London has responded to a plea from Scottish Labour to help undermine the SNP Scottish Government.

In what amounts to unprecedented meddling by Westminster in Scottish domestic affairs UK ministers have attacked the SNP Local Income Tax proposal and are refusing to hand over 400million pounds of the Block Grant due to Scotland.

A further 120million pounds, scotlands share of increased Prison spending in England, due under the terms of the Barnet Formula, is being denied to the Scottish Government.

John Swinney, Scottish Finance Minister, has vowed to invoke, for the first time, the grievence procedures designed to settle disputes between the devolved governments and Westminster.

A Scottish Government source said, "There is no question that this cash, totaling over half a billion Pounds, is due to Scotland. The treasury in refusing to hand it over is punishing Scots for daring to vote in a non-Labour Government. Rest assured, the SNP will fight tooth and nail to ensure that the Scottish people get their fair share of UK resources until such time as we have full and total control of Scotlands resources."
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Cincinnatus,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 02:39:51
The only valid criticism that Labour could have of the SNP, is that they are far too much like Labour - it's all very well ramping up expectations and cutting tuition fees, prescription charges etc - the reality is, that in an Independent country the tax burden would have to increase to sustain such largesse.

The SNP to gain power became National Socialists and that is a very bad combination, Nationalist by all means but practical and prudent - not building fictional utopias that are in the longer term utterly unsustainable unless the administration changes policies and moves to a more entrepreneurial ethos and helps that spread throughout the country and political classes.

Right now, it's a poker game!
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Guga II,

Rockall 06/04/2008 02:55:07
The New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party held power in Scotland for 50 years, and only succeeded in dragging us down into the mire. Even with 8 years of their North British Branch running things in Scotland, they only succeeded in running us into the ground.

Their current Westminster government is filled with cheats, liars, crooks and charlatans that are only interested in screwing the taxpayer for every halfpenny they can get their greedy mitts on; like making us pay for their TV licences, groceries, dry cleaning, utility bills, make-up, "second" houses etc. etc.

Browne is a waste of space and a total incompetent. He is useless as a part-time Defence Secretary, and he can't even manage the part-time non-post of Scottish Secretary.

Never mind, come the May elections in England, and the next general election, these champagne "socialists" will get wiped out; and, in the latter case, both Browne and Broon will lose their seats
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Robert Dunn,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 03:08:17
Denis Healey's famous reference to an attack by his opponent Geffrey Howe was like being "savaged by a dead sheep." should provide Alex salmond with great comfort. Des Browne is even less effective than the aforesaid "dead sheep".




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donald,

glasgow 06/04/2008 03:26:37
Des Broone, London carpet baggge handler.
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 03:26:55
SHAMUS, Its not so much your spirit we question, its your motivation to betray the Scottish People we worry about. Did you enjoy yourself at the Rangers match the other night. Thought I saw you waving your Union Jack as you spewed at the Gers performance.

Cincinattus, Give it a break and do tell us exactly why we would need to increase the TAX base for the Scottish People. Increased income from the theft of our Countries Money does in no way end up in increased taxes. The UK is in the top three countries who tax their people and economies the highest. At least they are leading in some areas.

Scotlands wealth will increase substantially after our Independance. What we need to do is fix up the generational neglect of our own kind. It wont be about handouts, it will be about investing in our Nations future through people. That is our real wealth little man.
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James,

Dundee 06/04/2008 03:31:10
It's the end days of the Nanny British State. Mrs Doubtfire-Browne shall join the New Liebour experiment on the scrapheap and can then get a job more appropriate to his skills, One of these guys going round pubs selling fake watches or contraband fags.

This rag gives carte blanch to Labour spin, boycott the hard copy and send a firm message to Eddie Barnes and his team of apologists.
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 03:39:12
Des Browne is such a trustworthy man. He believes in the democratic freedom of the People.

Yet he continues to try undermine the democratically elected SNP Scottish Government using his position and funding to do so. A bit of a hypocrit at the best of times, he uses his Defence Budget to raise an action in the English High Court, using our money, to have a judge stop a Coroner using Language that confirms the neglect of his Government on providing the proper resources to protect their lifes. I suppose silencing the Coroner will Des hopes let him sleep at night over the Deaths of this group of countries young people. Our Young men and Women are the real heroes of this generation. Its a pity that they have been betrayed by Des Browne and his Gordon Brown moronic meglamaniac London New Labour Party.

Do not forget this moron when election time comes round again. One out All out. Not one deserves to survive.
36

Samoyed,

Costa del Menie 06/04/2008 03:46:13
This kind of direspectful ( to the people) rant deserves nothing but be ignored.
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Ken W,

Fife 06/04/2008 04:47:17
Des, as Scottish Secretatary of State you are paid by us to work for Scotland's interests, Yet you support retaining over 400 million pounds of the Block Grant due to Scotland and a further 120 million pounds in increased Prison spending due under the terms of the Barnet Formula.
If I had employed someone who then approved withholding 620 million from my business I would not only sack him but would drag his behind through the courts for his outright corruption.

I sincerely look forward to you losing your seat at the next election. You are lucky to get off so lightly.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 06/04/2008 05:32:05
Did DES Browne ever pass an eleven plus exam????
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Dileas,

06/04/2008 06:03:13
Labour never fail to amaze me. It is remarkable how they managed to hang on to "power" for so long but they are clearly rattled now that the SNP is doing so well in a frankly difficult situation.

So we should listen to a discredited politician complain about the party that has done more in less than a year than Labour who have been so busy feathering their own nests for eleven years now?

We should listen to bairns throwing their rattles out of the pram because they are in the huff?

And we should believe that Yvette Cooper of all people could identify "a £750m black hole ... in the local income tax plans" even as she fell into it?

I thought the Settlement provided for a three percent change in income tax in Scotland. So why is Labour at Westminster adding the provision "provided they approve of it", meaning if it is Labour-sponsored.

How much more damage can Labour do to itself in Scotland?

How can Labour win at the next Westminster elections without Scottish support?

How can Labour have any future with its present level of competence, fostered only by career opportunists?
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Macuistean,

Isle of Tiree 06/04/2008 06:09:37
U-Gov poll: Scottish Parliament constituency vote with changes on the election last May - SNP 40% (+7): Lab: 32% (nc): Con: 12% (-5): LD: 13% (-3): Oth 4%
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Soosider,

Glasgow 06/04/2008 06:32:28
Is this the best that the Labour Party in Scotland can do? no new ideas, no vision, UK ministers commenting on Holyrood matters?
Shame on this incompetent career politician, what happen to the solid principles of the Labour movement?
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Argyll on line,

Argyll 06/04/2008 06:57:12
This is the second nonsensical rant by Desperate Des this sad blatt allows today.Can Wendy and Co not speak for themselves?
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06/04/2008 07:24:03
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happyhibbie,

The Inch, Edinburgh 06/04/2008 07:30:58
Slippery Salmond was doing a good job of digging his own political grave but it would seem that Daft Des wants to jump into it.
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06/04/2008 07:35:25
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roughrider,

Glasgow 06/04/2008 07:40:42
Browne ,you are nothing but a puppet for yer London masters , you are an embarassment to Scotland with yer pathetic unionist childish rantings, A Salmond is way ahead of labour in every opinion poll and he will lead Scotland to independence from the scumbags in the liebour warmongering scaremongering corruption ridden
union. The sooner the better.
Oh and did Broon write the script for your idiotic ranting.
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Stephen101,

Who told him to say this? 06/04/2008 07:43:52
Who is pulling Des's strings on this one.

The Cardinal or Gordon? e should be told.
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crepes84,

06/04/2008 07:54:04
I recently had the misfortune to hear this character speak in public and he is a perfect example of why the Party is imploding, bereft of any personality, backbone or ideas. As a former Labour supporter, I congratulate the Scottish Government and Alex Salmond for there efforts this far. Keep it up!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 08:01:19
I imagine that we will have the usual small band of desperate unionistas coming on here and telling us that this latest hissy fit from the increasingly Des(perate) Browne is yet another example of a nationalist inspired artificial spat with Westminster.

Surely even they must see that Browne is not only an embarrassment, he is a total cretin.

He appears in print in a national newspaper ( I use the term “newspaper” loosely) and insults the First Minister, the Scottish Government and the Scottish People.

Leaving aside the blatant breach of etiquette of such an approach, (would he dare say any of these things in public about the Governments of Ireland, Norway or France?), it displays, in its full colours, his contempt for the institution of the Scottish parliament and for the Scottish People who voted overwhelmingly to have such a body.

I actually think that for once, the SoS is to be congratulated for publishing this Labour press release, and exposing the true nature of the labour party’s contemptuous view of Scotland and our people.
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Jimmy the Pie,

06/04/2008 08:09:36

Andrew BOD, Aberdeen/shire 06/04/2008 00:30:16

Good morning, Very good post

The panic is very definitely setting in. Keep up the good work Alex and John.
The panic seems to be worse at Hootsmoan Towers
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 08:10:33
Labour and the Scotsman still in denial mode I see.

I am better off already under government by a Scottish party -
£500 from council tax freeze, £200 from scrapping bridge tolls, £250 from not buying the Scotsman and SoS. I stoppped buying them a couple of months ago when it became obvious that they are so fearful of Scotland becoming successful under the SNP that their articles are more and more like propaganda for the London-controlled Scottish Labour party and it's crew of self-confessed lawbreakers.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 06/04/2008 08:18:24
It's about time that our representatives in Westminster 'took off the gloves' and started reacting to the truculent and self-serving behaviour of the nationalists. Mr Salmond and Mr Swinney have been treated with courtesy and patience by our Westminster politicians. The SNP's evermore outlandish claims and accusations have been received with little more than a smile and a polite correction from our Westminster politicians. Not now.
It is time to make the SNP face up to their responsibility in government. They've wasted enough time with their ludicrous side-shows, whether it's whining about the chessmen, the BBC or any number of things which takes the spotlight off them bringing back full-blown Thatcherite rate-capping in our local authorities.
Their only real skill has been in deflecting blame. Just look at these and other boards. Any posts or articles critical of the SNP and what do the cybernats do? Defend the SNP? Never, it is always attacks usually personal on either the Labour Party or the journalist or poster who made the comments. The thing the nationalists here don't seem to realise is that the more vile and poisonous their replies the more people recoil at their repellent behaviour.
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Carlung,

06/04/2008 08:28:40

I note, that the SNP Scottish Government has now come under attack from 4 Westminster Ministers - Gordon Brown, Des Browne, Yvette Cooper and David Cairns - in the past couple of weeks.
Is this a tacit admission that Wendy Alexander simply isn't up to it?
For the Scottish secretary to be so anti-Scottish is shamefull - send him back to London and sort out Labour's illegal war.
If Scottland had been independent, our troops would still be at home.

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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 08:31:05
#58
"the more people recoil at their repellent behaviour."

Really?

SNP 37 % Labour30 % Tories18 % Lib Dems 11 % Others 4 %
YouGov Poll Commissioned by the Sunday Times, Scottish sample 197, Surveyed 13 - 14 March 2008.
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Shug the Dug,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 08:32:03
Des Browne snaps about him like a rabid dog and exhibits the same ability to think cogently. Centralist administrations have all had their rottweilers. We unthinking Scots voters survived Brian Wilson and Michael Forsyth to name but two in the recent past but at least they had the excuse of being elected to Westminster. Browne was elected by a section of the same electorate he so easily dismisses as being easily misled. I am English, married to a Scot, and have considered Scotland my home since 1976. At that time I was a confirmed Labour supporter; the product of generations of real socialists; but increasingly, as I watched, listened, and analysed what passed for politics in Scotland under direct Westminster rule, and having been appalled at the duplicity and gerrymandering of successive central governments, I, along with many, many, disaffected and disenchanted socialists held to my beliefs as Labour slid on the slime and sleaze of Blairite policies ever more to the right. And who did I find doing a better job than Labour as the only true social democrat party in Scotland? The SNP of course. I should also mention that I was able to witness the same Mr Salmond who is anything but "immature" although is thankfully totally "single minded" when it comes to the people he has been elected to represent. In my close experience of him, both in public and private, he is most certainly not the "greasiest, most disingenious, manipulative cretin alive." His old university chum - Wilson - has a better claim to that epithet. I am proud to be one of "the few silly voters" who were still enough to beat the sycophantic, London-lapdogs that populate particularly the Labour and Tory parties. Alba gu brath old chap.
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McMillar,

Fife 06/04/2008 08:33:25
Being ‘savaged’ by Browne is the equivalent of a glowing endorsement. Clearly scared but also very very incompetent. Browne is a non-entity and has the personality of a plastic cup. Salmond is a huge improvement on the previous administration and this just all seems to stem from Gordon Brown’s inability to get on with the SNP. He sets the tone and his muppets think that is an appropriate way to operate. Pathetic
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PDdod,

Peterhead 06/04/2008 08:41:56
The 'BLOCK GRANT was reduced by 7% under the previous Conservative government. Under Blair it was increased by 25% The purpose of the grant is to assist councils with the Council Tax. When and if the CouncilTax is replaced by a local income tax the Council Tax is then no more and so to is the £4million in CT assistance. You dont pay a pensioner when he is dead.
The very first Dewar led Scottish Executive recieved £15 billion form the Westminster treasury -The new Salmond led Scottish Government is in receipt of double that amount
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Jimmy the Pie,

06/04/2008 08:47:57
#58

Do you think the more you spout your bile and venom, the more people are going to agree with you??
You'll see a big change in attitudes when New Labour Sleaze and Corruption get their richly deserved kicking in the English local authority (cooncil to you) elections.
If you want to keep portraying yourself as a subservient citizen in the Socialist paradise that is Comrade Broon's Britain - fine but you'll find yourself becoming lonelier and lonelier. Even more so when Independence is declared.
Have a nice day!
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Wendy Alexander,

06/04/2008 08:49:47
Nice to see two jobs Des the part time Scottish secretary,trying to slate the full time First minister of Scotland.Just when you think they can't sink any lower,"Bang" Des does it again.This from a man who up to 2 years ago you had'nt heard of.Keep it up Salmond,it seems you've got them on the back foot.One more thing Des when will you give Scotland your full attention,just like OUR First Minister?.
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Ken Mac,

Glasgow 06/04/2008 09:00:25
If you are a nationalist supporter join the campaign to keep Des Browne as Sec of State for Scotland. The man is just so inept. He is the one living in a parallel universe.

#1 Angus Ogg. Truth dawns. Come over from the dark side and join us.
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brownlie,

06/04/2008 09:01:54
58 Grahamski,

Great stuff. You do well to point out that calling the Scottish Government "ridiculous" and "shoddy" is not in any way "vile and poisonous". I am a bit concerned, however, that one of us called Salmond a cretin. As you know a cretin can be defined as someone with a stunted physical development. As you know, this is clearly a contradiction of Jackie's memo which quite clearly stated that as the only credible criticism we can make of Salmond is his "ever-increasing waist-line" we have to make sure we concentrate on this.
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scottish person,

paisley 06/04/2008 09:04:30
Why is this paper called the Scotsman?
I am so glad shamus went to bed.
All of the unionist tumshies should buy the daily rectum and sunday mail for comfort reading.
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David MacVicar,

Web 06/04/2008 09:05:39
After opinion polls come out and give Salmond a huge lead in popularity figures, Des attacks him personally.

These guys must want people to move to the SNP!

Why is Wendy not on the attack or does nobody care what she says anymore.

In anycase Des is attacking the SNP and AS because Des and Labour have nothing whatsoever to offer Scotland. Nothing. Scotland is a resource to use and abuse.

In anycase this is great stuff. Blair and Broon came up North to talk down to everybody and helped Labour lose the Scottish election with its lies and comparison of Scotland to Albania. Now Des has the same tactic.

All these London loving BritScots will all come up North for the UK GE and try to save their seats, careers and positions. What will they have to offer the electorate?

What have Des, Gordy and the BritScots actually done to serve their constituencies interests within the UK and Scotlands place as an equal partner? SFA.

All they do is:
Use their vote to vote for things Scots dont want:
Trident, Illegal War, Nuclear power, Tax on Scottish industries, Raising basic income tax to hit the lowest earners (of which there are more per capita in Scotland)...

Lets not forget if Labour is the party of 'partnership' why then do the following:
Giving the Scottish Parliament a lower increase than anywhere else.
Compensation for English Farmers not Scots (also all Scottish Labour MSPS voted against the compensation!)
Planning to give new money to English/Welsh prisons out of central funds but Scotland gets nothing.

Hey Des - Actions and inactions peak louder than your empty rhetoric
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happyhibbie,

The Inch, Edinburgh 06/04/2008 09:07:12
61 - I don't know what a local income tax has to do with real socialism but there's no doubt that the Labour Party has turned its back on its core support.

When so-called Middle England turns back to the tories, that will be the end for New Labour in England and they will spend a long, long time in opposition.

Unfortunately for the SNP though, that is when Scotland will once again get behind the Labour Party and abandon the home rulers.
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The Strategist,

06/04/2008 09:07:29
Interesting Des B has produced this now and I wonder if he was tipped off about the article in today's Sunday Times which begins "LABOUR'S Scottish heartlands are the most vulnerable areas in the UK to a housing crash, according to new figures which show thousands of homeowners face having mortgages bigger than the value of their properties."

Herein lies Labour's problem. Des and his chums have completely screwed up the economy and there isn't really anyway they can now disguise that. I suggest therefore this a ZanuPF type diversion.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 06/04/2008 09:08:32
Once more Labour shoots itself in the foot (unless Brown is a secret SNP supporter?)

SNP is a disaster- hence the absence of a referendum, and the policy of giving enough rope so it will hang itself is working quite nicely. Browne should shut up if he really cares about Scotland.
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overshot,

perth 06/04/2008 09:10:43
The SNP in the their first administration, have done considerably well. Since devolution our country has been run in a shoddy manner by Mr Browne's colleagues. Now they are being shown up by the new boys , they do not like it. What kind of mess would it be in if Wendy's mob had control. Scotland would still be kow towing to Westminister. Lets keep moving forward, it is the only direction Scotland has. FREEDOM
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www.r-o-a-r.org,

Dundee 06/04/2008 09:13:49
CMon Desperate Des - this kinda rubbish scaremongering did not work at the election and if you think it will make a single switched voter of difference then keep it up - I think you will see Labour fall even lower in the MSP count come the next election.

And whilst we have your attention
Why not explain your latest piece of cowardice concerning the armed forces.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/06/military.iraq

"Army families fear that the truth about the deaths of soldiers killed in friendly fire or other controversial incidents will be concealed under proposed government powers to hold secret inquests without a jury."

Labour lost the election because they did not realise people were fed up with their lies and deception and thinking people did not have the bottle to change governments. Well they did and I suspect they are very happy they did too.

Deal with the fact you lost and that you will lose again.
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brownlie,

06/04/2008 09:14:00
63 PD

Well spotted in noting the fact that you cannot pay a pensioner when dead and cleverly not pointing out that live pensioners can pay Gordon Brown's council tax as a tribute to his valuable service to the 600,000 Scots who will be worse off after his abolishing the 10% rate of tax.
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Nikostratos,

06/04/2008 09:20:27

"foster grievance" against the UK.

"a letter from a UK Government Treasury minister, in response to correspondence asking for views on a local national income tax, be described as interference"

"Alex Salmond is that his emphasis on grievance rather than government"

"the blatant tactics of a separatist minority"

Ever quote demonstrably true well said Des............The fact is it is not possible for Westminster to find some sort of consensus with a small bunch of 'Nat' extremist fanatics whose every fibre of their being is dedicated to the destruction of the United Kingdom.
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Nikostratos,

06/04/2008 09:30:21
#69

Adolf hitler was popular
stalin was and still is popular in russia
mugabe was popular
pol pot was popular
Miloševic was popular
Khomeini was popular
franco was popular
Thatcher was popular

popularity does not mean being 'Right' As for what scots don't want they don't want 'Independence' only a very small 23% Alex said so.........
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PDdod,

Peterhead 06/04/2008 09:30:43
Very few of Scotlands pensioners pay any tax 63. You are unaware or are in denial of the raised 'allowance' coding regarding pensioners which in my own case is raised to 634 from the last financial year figure to 475. A difference of 159
Along with any other pensioners paying tax on their company or private pension i shall benefit from the flat tax rate reduction from 22 to 20% On advice received i shall be around £200 less in my tax liability to the treasury
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Linda,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 09:35:08
Pdod is talking nonsense by increasing lowset tax rate from 10p to 20p Labour has penalised all lower paid taxpayers.

Change is not what Labour do.

Constant anti SNP front page headlines from this newspaper is just like Zimbabwe Herald.

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walter,

06/04/2008 09:35:20
#65
Nice to see two jobs Des the part time Scottish secretary,trying to slate the full time First minister of Scotland.

That is not strictly true, two jobs Des as you say is trying to slate full time FM.
Salmond is a member of the UK parliament as well as FM of Scotland.
He has visited London 6 times in the past 11 months to represent his constituents as a member of the UK parliament, he spent time in negotiations with the Trump organisation in his capacity as a member of the UK parliament while all while being FM of Scotland.
He cannot be the full time FM of Scotland if he stops acting as FM to represent his Banff & Buchan constituents as a MP.
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GMCD,

dundee 06/04/2008 09:36:05
Fair comment....
Salmond and his SNPites are not running the country.
They are inventing a series of grievances that they can blame on the UK...and at the same time it's not their fault...simualtaneously saying we're in charge and demitting all responsibility to the UK...talk about a Scottish cringe.......this will not impress the majority of Scots who are not true believers in independence....
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Linda,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 09:37:11
This is same Des Browne who hoodwinked the entire UK population over the illegal war in Iraq.

Thousands will not die aa a result any of SNP policy.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 09:37:20
In his attack on the Nationalists, Des Browne forgets that imitation is the best form of flattery?

The Unionists have been hoodwinking Scotland for 300 years!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 06/04/2008 09:38:26
#70

You appear to be somewhat confused, as befits a self confessed labourite supporter.

The gist of your attempt at political analysis appears to be that the prospect of a Tory government at Westminster will result in the Scottish electorate deserting the concept of “home rule” in their droves.

I note that you tend to equate the SNP with Nazis and the Labour Party with Socialism

I suspect that you are probably still at school, and have no real concept of the true meaning of the phraseology you so glibly employ.

I will therefore put your shallow and facile views down to your youthful naivety and lack of serious study of a subject, which sadly appears to be beyond your limited comprehension.
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brownlie,

06/04/2008 09:41:56
77 Nikostratos

Great Post.

You are quite right in reminding the nats that between 1.5 million and 2.5 million Scots (depending what poll you beleive) are only a "small bunch".

80 PD

Correct in pointing out that as you yourself and Gordon Brown are better off that the "few" pensioners can subsidise that.
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John S,

06/04/2008 09:42:55
To the Scottish Government give Westminster a fright by holding a Scottish referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 06/04/2008 09:50:18
Linda # 81

The SNP must be in a bad way if the Zimbabwe Herald are criticising them?
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brownlie,

06/04/2008 09:50:31
83 GMCD

You are quite right there. Why should people cringe when they are being deprived of nearly £2 million which Gordon Brown can use to prop up an ailing regime. The nats should grin and bear it like the rest of us.
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Elizabeth I (1558-1603 AD),

edinburgh 06/04/2008 09:50:51
Well said Browne. And please can we have some more of the same and on a regular basis. Who do Salmond and his cronies think they are!
I also think it is a scandal and a disgrace that the Scottish people are not up in arms,furious,and that they allowed this annoying little man Mr Salmond to stand up in front of a USA audience and demand that Scotland should be an independent country, while in his own country back home only 23% of Scotland's people support independence! Scotland should rid the country of this pathetic man with a chip on his shoulder ASAP!!
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 06/04/2008 09:51:28
69 - you forgot...Blair was popular..
Unfortunately for the "comrades" (eg Red Wendy), Broon isnae !
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 06/04/2008 09:52:25
Sorry, meant 79 !
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 06/04/2008 09:53:17
John S # 89

Eh, haven't the SNP already promised the Scottish people a referendum on Scottish Independence?
I suppose oily Salmond could arrange to have both referendums held on the the same day and ballot paper...?
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thinking,

Scotland 06/04/2008 09:54:53
I am not a Labourite but on one thing I do agree. You cannot stop Council Tax and expect do get a rebate on Council Tax which no-one pays.
Surely the majority of those who receive a council tax rebate are those who do not pay, or pay very little income tax. If there is no Council tax then they won't be paying it so don't need a rebate. If it is income tax then they will only pay if they have used their personal allowance already. The only way to change that and give them rebates would be to change the tax system for everybody
#16
Your bill hasn't arrived yet!!
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 06/04/2008 09:57:23
Sal