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Published Date: 31 May 2009

GORDON Brown is planning a radical "reshaping" of his government to avoid electoral meltdown as polls suggest Labour faces disaster at the European elections and could even end up behind UKIP.

The shake-up could see close links with the Liberal Democrats established and even the inclusion of senior Lib Dem figures such as Vince Cable in the government.

According to reports, Brown's team is looking at a "game-changing" reshuffle after
the election and not just the simple reshuffle that often follows poor poll results.

Constitutional reform, including the possibility of using proportional representation in elections, is said to be favoured by as many as half the cabinet.

The need for action was underlined by a Populus Poll published yesterday which asked people how they would vote in this week's polls. The replies suggested that over the past three weeks, Labour support had fallen by nine points to 16 per cent.

The Tories dropped four points to 30 per cent, while the Lib Dems fell eight points to 12 per cent.

UKIP were the main party to benefit from the slump, rising from 13 points to 19 per cent – overtaking Labour for the first time. The Greens rose five points to 10 per cent and the BNP went up three points to 5 per cent.

When the sample was asked about their voting intentions for the General Election, Labour fell by five points to 21 per cent while the Tories went up two points to 41 per cent.

Tellingly, 62 per cent of those surveyed believed that the Prime Minister was most damaged by the whole expenses fiasco compared with just 5 per cent who thought that Cameron was.

Just 14 per cent believe Labour is likely to win the next General Election outright compared with 51 per cent, who think the Tories will win.

Labour's desperation to distance itself from the expenses row is illustrated by a blueprint for a letter that has been issued to European candidates.

All candidates have been advised of the form of words they should use to attempt to empathise with voters when writing about the expenses issue.

The letter, obtained by Scotland on Sunday, acknowledges "how angry people are with Westminster politicians". It advises candidates to say: "I suspect you are as fed up as I am as day after day more stories come out showing greed and in some cases, serious wrongdoing.

"I would like to echo Gordon Brown's words – that I am sorry that the political system has let you down. And as for the media reports that a Tory MP is blaming his constituents for his expense claims and thinks that 'we're all just jealous' is unbelievable."

In an attempt to pin the expenses scandal on the Tories, the letter was referring to the Conservative MP Sir Anthony Steen, who declared that the public had no right to "interfere" with his private life after it emerged that he had claimed for the treatment of 500 trees in the grounds of his house.

Steen defended himself saying: "I've done nothing criminal, that's the most awful thing, and do you know what it's about? Jealousy. I've got a very, very large house. Some people say it looks like Balmoral."





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  • Last Updated: 30 May 2009 10:43 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Labour Party
 
1

The Online Scot,

Scotland 30/05/2009 21:21:14
Goodness, a re-shuffle? When the SNP changed the team a few months ago the headlines read 'SACKED'.

Perhaps this is a Scottish word that really means re-shuffle.

Anyway, like the leper said in the colony - he'll still have a rotten hand.
2

Nevsky;,

Moscow 31/05/2009 00:01:18
KIM JONG BROWN going to 'amend' the constitition to remain in powr...the man has gone mad...mad..mad i tell you!
3

Braes of Glenmiller,

31/05/2009 00:10:18
Yeah right......Lib Dems to be "included".

Gordie boy........rats don't usually join a sinking ship.

PR......proportional representation or public relations?

A bit of both...with Davros Brown the supreme leader sending his "McBride" minions to exterminate the opposition......opposition in the Labour Party that is.

You are T O A S T........go quietly now.
4

Nevsky;,

Moscow 31/05/2009 00:10:55
Brown the freak actualy thinks a re-shuffle is what is needed and a wee bit of tinkering with how people vote.

I doubt he will have time. Following their massacre at the Euro elections i think the English media and his backbenchers will rip him to pieces.

What is left of him will carted back to Kircaldy....a bitter man...brought down by his own arrogance...a complete and utter failure!
5

TheUnionisBritish,

31/05/2009 00:13:45
Brown should sack himself.
6

Nevsky;,

Moscow 31/05/2009 00:17:51
Browns whole election campaign is coming down to 'Tories live in big houses'....brilliant...that's the kind of strategy that is needed!

7

Edward,

31/05/2009 00:35:25
Perhaps, now with the expenses scandal, people in Scotlad will now begin to cotton to why Scottish Labour MP's are so keen to retain the union! For public consumption they state that Scotland is better to remain in the union. Privately they know their better reamaining onboard the gravy train!
8

Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 00:52:53
Brilliant plan GB, shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic after it has hit the iceberg!

Fib Dums yet again showing that they are Lieboars poodles!???

9

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 00:57:52
One can see with every passing day, just why Gorbals Mick was so enraged that the opportunity to "reddact"
- fraudulently conceal - the scandelous behaviour of his fellow NEW LABOUR trough-feeders.

What amuses me - though I doubt that their constituents will great it with such levity - is that
these NEW LABOUR animals cannot even lie convincingly.

Remember posh Nigel Griffiths spending £3500 on Electronics so that he could "monitor broadcasts
in Scotland", when even the dumbest NEW LABOUR flunky was aware that they were incapable of picking up such transmissions in London!

And then there is Ex Trade-Union hack James Devine,
paying non existent companys one week, then the next week "hiring" arthritic "joiners", who just happen to be the landlord of his local boozer. And on inspection his office still has not one centimetre of shelving installed.

Hhahhahahahhahahhahhahahhahahahhahahhaha
10

Edward,

31/05/2009 01:01:58
I find it a bit sad or is that desperate? that Gordon Brown and the Labour Party acctually believe that by having a cabinet reshuffle, this will make them more plausable!
Shuffling a well worn pack of cards comes to mind, no matter how you shuffle them, they are still a grubby pack of cards!
or of course the other popular analogy
moving the deckchairs on the Titanic!
11

The Busker in Exile,

Notts 31/05/2009 01:02:34
Broon is off his heed, there is no way the Lib Dems would ever go into a coaltion, this side of an election......as they would be Tainted by him.
12

redcliffe62,

31/05/2009 01:06:36
if you cannot win by first past the post then back into talks with minger and co. to try to shore up an anti tory coalition. he cannot save labour from meltdown unless he chnages the rules.
suggesting a vote for the libs is a vote to keep labour and brown in government would not help them at this time.
clever of labour to suggest this though, so people see their close link to the libs and know even if they lose government they cannot lose if the libs join them.
how will brown change the system prior to the next election? all in the namo of fairness of course!
and it would get the tories nominally on board in a british sense as it will stop salmond getting 35 seats and therefore "saving the union". brown the hero?
there is therefore warped logic from a brown perspective, however ther rules cannot change in 2009 for 2010. needed to be done a long time ago.
as it stands, tories will win in london and snp in edinburgh plus a larger british team at wastemonster, and hard to change that outcome.
the false advsertising by labour is nothing new; any leaflet from brown should be consigned to the bin for the lies it contains within it.
13

Edward,

31/05/2009 01:06:50
Ed Balls for chancellor, now thats very funny!
He made a total pile of horse manure of Education
So Brown must think he is better than Darling, who has done the same with the treasury, not forgetting Ed Balls wife the witch Yvette is also in the treasury
Brown and the rest are all bunker crazy. It trully is the last days of the leader!
14

Edward,

31/05/2009 01:08:50
#16 The Busker in Exile
Brown is completely desperate now. Labour always do this when they know they will be wiped out.
Hopefully the Libdems are not that stupid
15

redcliffe62,

31/05/2009 01:09:24
devine needs to be investigated by a scottish newspaper with integrity. then chat to the pub and find the electrical worker as it is clearly a rort i.e. fraud, based on the above comments.
anyone know one?
16

Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 01:10:35
re16

Not a coalition as such. More like secret deals behind closed doors. Cleggie better watch his back! Well Ming was not averse to such shady dealings!
17

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 01:19:21
And there talking - at least he's talking about - the comeback of that great "socialist" and paragon of "family values" David Blunkett to the Home Office.
So no doubt we will be treated to more racist rants, and hmaering the poor,the unemployed and the sick and disabled from this scaumbag and Sun contributer.

Then there is Dr John Reid......ye gods !
18

hoblar,

31/05/2009 01:29:33
Didn't know that Blunkett was "racist".

The most basic argument of racism is on skin colour, then it is cultural caharacteristics with a bit of religion included.

I imagine that the most commonly referred to criteria, "colour', can be excluded in the case of David Blunkett, but what I can say (without prejudice) is that I associate him with the amateurish types new labour has allowed to receive high office, and to re-employ him as anything related to ministerial duties is a mistake on the lines of Mandelson.

He was rubbish years ago, and he won't have improved much.
I can see
19

Brianwci,

31/05/2009 01:31:43
The Lib Dems are looking at the very party which replaced them as the main opposition to the Tories in 1922.

That party is in meltdown. For the first time in almost 90 years the Lib Dems have a chance to reverse 1922.

saving London Labour, which is not exactly flavour of the month with the electorate would be suicidal for them.

No, they strengthen themselves and prepare for the General Election when UKIP will be far less relevant and will not command the support it seems to be getting just now.

London Labour will be in turmoil following the results of the Locals and the Euros next Thursday.

By June 11 London labour will be partly in mourning, partly in ferment getting ready to rip itself apart.

The Lib Dems will stay well clear, Vince Cable will see to that.
20

hoblar,

31/05/2009 01:34:38
.......I can see a scenario where old school 'new' labour right wingers will become more attractive to the blairites who erroneously believe that a new leader (who?) could swing new labour's chances around within the next year.

It ain't gonna happen, New labour are in unprecedented electoral freefall and they deserve to be where they are and where they are going.

21

Bret,

Aberdeen 31/05/2009 01:34:47
Would the mystery Devine "electician" please identify himself/herself/itself to the Scotsman Newspaper and tell us who you are, whether or not you're dead, or "live up north somewhere"? Thank you so very, very much.
22

The Busker in Exile,

Notts 31/05/2009 01:40:21
#19

Broon is desperate, I just dont think the lib dems are that daft.

There are only 2 conclusions to the next GE (1) a Hung Parliament or (2)an outright tory victory. It would not serve the LD to go into a coalition this side of an election as Broon is too tainted.

The mood in Merry Olde England is very similar to that just before Blairs '97 election.....basically they want change.
23

Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 01:41:47
I feel a movie script coming on " The China Syndrome 2"
24

frank mcbride,

lusitania 31/05/2009 01:54:49
#3, Braes of Glenmiller.

I resent your remark ;-)
25

Evia,

31/05/2009 01:57:05
He should be resigning as the number of people signing the following petition want him to. The petition should have many more signatures than just under 64,000 but most people seem content to just whinge on and do nothing to try to change the situation.

petitions.number10.gov.uk/please-go/

This next one should also have many more sinatures by now.

www.gopetition.com/petitions/the-queen-to-dissolve-parliament-and-call-a-general-election/signatures.html

26

hoblar,

31/05/2009 02:02:32
"Would the mystery Devine "electician" please identify himself/herself/itself to the Scotsman Newspaper and tell us who you are, whether or not you're dead, or "live up north somewhere"? Thank you so very, very much."

It might take 'devine intervention' for that to happen as far as the Scottish press are concedrned, but there is always the Telegraph in England at least.

I reckon that the 'electrician' who has allegdly done some work for Labour MP for Livingston, Jim Devine, will have had a few phone calls from the labour version of Viz character 'Big Vern"....."you ain't seen nuffink".
27

frank mcbride,

lusitania 31/05/2009 02:05:42
#17, Redcliffe.

Don't be too sure about the system not being able to be changed in time for the next Westminster election. AND don't be too sure about the LDs not supporting a place in the Cabinet if there is an agreement to change the voting system.

Nothing is base enough, for the Unionist Alliance, to try.
28

Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 02:20:27
re32

I would not put it past them but then Lieboar and Fib Dums will have to be really creative about the PR system they come up with as the schemes they cooked up behind closed doors have backfired on them spectacularly - the PR systems for the Scottish Parliamnet and Scottish Local Govt! It looks like they will not be in love with the PR system they adopted for Euro Elections after June 4th either.
29

ubinworryinmasheep,

Gitorfmyland 31/05/2009 02:25:10
26 "Would the mystery Devine "electician" please identify himself/herself/itself to the Scotsman Newspaper and tell us who you are, whether or not you're dead" hey id like to see him contact the Scotsman if he's dead ... maybe they should enlist the services of Derek Accora to find out !
32 I would imagine the Torys would be mega pi**ed if Labour manage to move the goal posts with the help of the Lib Dems. That plus the total dislike that more and more people have for Labour will not play well for them in the long run. Dont forget people still hate the torys in Scotland because of Maggie... i'm sure Gordon is going that way in England.
30

Thomas Aikenhead,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 05:36:49
Speak up for Scotland!

Why has nobody denounced Anthony Sheen for his absurd claim that his house has been likened to Balmoral?

One of the most renowned buildings in Scotland has been used as a prop in a petulant outburst by a minor English politician in a bombastic attempt to defend the indefensible.

HIs pathetic attempt to divert attention from himself and his appalling behaviour has maligned a beautiful Scottish castle by comparing it to a vulgar tradesmans' house.

Do not let Anthony Sheen get away with it!
31

colin, crombie,

dunfermline 31/05/2009 06:32:56
when the Callaghan government lost its majority early into its term, it limped all the way by promising the liberals PR and the SNP/Plaid Cymru Devolution. When the crunch came its backbenchers still would not give us Devolution even after we voted for it. The Liberals never got PR yet. I dont think they will be tricked again. This government is dead and Gordon Brown will follow the same fate in history as Callaghan. He should go now to at least save some credibility for the future
32

donald,

glasgow 31/05/2009 06:41:46
#10
Would that be the same Divine Unionist Old Firm supporter?
33

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 31/05/2009 06:44:26
Labour need to shed this unelected cretin of a Prime Minister or we have a socialist party anymore and that is bad for democracy.
34

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 31/05/2009 07:07:10
Where be Rufus???

I like his/her/its comments, defending the impossible.

;O)
35

Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 07:42:27
#39 Richard,

He usually only comments on anti SNP scare stories made-up/exaggerated by this New Labour Sleaze rag!!

VOTE SNP
36

Rabhairt,

Australia 31/05/2009 07:48:42
There is only one "shuffle" I can think of and that is shuffle all the rorters out of the Parliament and straight into jail, how do they sleep at night when so many normal people/workers are doing it so damn hard; SHAME ON THE LOT OF THEM.
37

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31/05/2009 07:49:15
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38

the reporter,

Godalming, Surrey. 31/05/2009 08:04:00
Even Neville Chamberlain knew when to take a hint and go, Gordy just trying to put off the inevitable.
39

Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 08:31:56
What I find unbelievable is that Comrade Broon seems to really believe he can turn around the shambles he's created.

VOTE SNP.
40

TWC,

exLabour 31/05/2009 08:43:42
only one reshuffle can save Labour -- cut off the heads at westminster and Holyrood.

Brown and Elmer need to go.
41

Russell M,

Stirling 31/05/2009 08:49:01
G Brown buying new deck chairs and repainting the ship with a slightly different shade of paint with our taxes. Will it be enough to fool us Brits into thinking we've really had a change in the way the government does things? What contempt and loathing he must have for the rest of us.

In fairness the problems didn't start when Mr Brown took office or even when Labour assumed leadership. Most of the Twentieth Century saw Westminster consolidating its hold over the people of Britain as the Empire slipped away. With a few key crisis and salvation by eloquent statesmen at opportune moments. We've been groomed to believe we need the government interfering in our lives. And a belief by ministers that if they take on the added responsibility of running our lives they deserve "adequate" remuneration. We're getting the best politicians exorbitant sums of money can buy. Value for Money? I guess the electorate will decide.

Many parts of the British Economy used to be the envy of the world until a handful of greedy politicians and corporate leaders saw a way to cash in working Britain. All for our own good of course. Heavy industry was in trouble long before Ms Thatcher drove a spike through our working hearts when they failed to reinvest in modern plant and equipment. Maggie just embellished the notion that we had to choose between "the heavy industries of the past" and "the high-technology industries of the future." So why didn't anyone tell the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese or Indians?

To respect all members of our society we need to develop and reinvest in all sectors of the economy. The cherry picking of future opportunities championed by economists Colin Clark and Jean Fourastié required a level of clairvoyance yet to be exhibited by political and business leaders.
42

Faux Cul,

Somewhere in The Baleares 31/05/2009 09:11:22
I have seen som eythings in my life but never passengers and crew joining the Titanic on its way down.

The Liberals would be mad to do this but they do have form.
43

Queen D,

31/05/2009 09:17:30
From Guido this morning,
Multi-millionaire Labour backbencher Mohammed Sarwar claimed £100,000 to cover mortgage interest that he paid from an account with a Swiss bank. Tax needn’t be taxing…
44

sceptic,

livingston 31/05/2009 09:21:39
Deck chairs.....Titanic
45

Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 09:25:33
Its good to see Jim Devine, when caught fraudulently claiming housing expenses, does the honourable thing and keeps digging a hole for us to bury him in!!

Shelves that don't exist!!! £2326 ,

Electrical work that was never done!!! £2157 (and the electrician who 'did' the work might be dead!!!)

And now fiddles travel expenses!!! No numbers yet!!


Yes, a true 'socialist' comrade!!!
46

Marian,

31/05/2009 09:30:02
There is nothing more certain than the the fact that voting New Labour at the European Elections and the forthcoming UK General Election will be totally irrelevant as it will have no effect on the impending certain election of a massive number of Tory MP's to Westminster by a middle England which wants to recover its right to govern the UK.

If Scotland votes New Labour it will once again send down a bunch of New Labour's numpties who have no real interest on what happens in Scotland but are more concerned with what expenses and perks they can hold onto.

It is time that Scotland woke up and realised for the past 50 years Scotland has voted like sheep for New Labour yet got nothing in return.

History shows that Scotland's Labour MP's were especially impotent when Thatcher was in power and imposed the Poll Tax, decimated industries, etc.

In light of New Labours imminent political demise in the UK as a whole and the inevitable election of a very strong and commanding Tory government, Scotland must have a strong and patriotic voice in Westminster and the only way she will get this is with the election of more SNP MP's into Westminster.

Scotland electing 4 or 5 SNP MEP's and 20 or more SNP MP's does not automatically mean Scotland's independence but what it will do is send a clear message to David Cameron if he treats Scotland with contempt, that it will not take a great deal more to break his UK union in half.

New Labour in opposition wouldn't send such an ultimatum to Cameron and to be honest they would just be an embarrassment to Scotland.
47

The Tin Man,

31/05/2009 09:32:59
Vote Jury Team!

I see that it looks like Tom Farmer is coming on board, as well:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6395916.ece
48

smokey joe 1,

31/05/2009 09:36:34
Browns on AM show talking one load of p!sh.
Dead man walking.
49

jdships,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 09:43:40
"The shake-up could see close links with the Liberal Democrats established and even the inclusion of senior Lib Dem figures such as Vince Cable in the government."

Given the Lib/Dem's track record they wouldn't know a policy if it hit them in the face - what a laugh!

Typical of them if they do sign up - "a job and a company car will buy my loyalty " yet again.

The only L/D I ever listen to is Vince Cable at times he talks a lot of sense
50

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 31/05/2009 09:54:09
He's both determined to have this country brought to its knees and to being about a personal defeat of large magnitude. Clinging on by the bitten fingernails he's desperate to survive as a politician when all else know he is a washed-up failure. The latest charade is further evidence of his willingness in his own words to "do whatever it takes" to remain in power. Clegg would be well advised to avoid the dog-whistle stuff about PR and tell him to go away. Accepting offers like that from Brown would mean the Lib-Dums already strange reputation for being as mich use as a chocolate poker go even further into murky depths. Apart from Vince Cable who seems to be the main man for understanding economics and having some sort of agenda.

Taxi for Braun!
51

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 10:01:55
Just watched Gordon Brown on the Andrew Marr Show !
The man is clueless, more inquiries, committees and consultations.
He has never made a decision in the twelve years Labour has been in power and has no intentions of changing his ways now.
52

mr broon,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 10:05:11
As a result of the recent series of events, New Labour's Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling have probably ensured that NO Scottish politician is ever likely to hold the Office of Prime Minister or Chancellor again.

In future, suspicious English politicians from whatever party will ensure that Scottish MPs are forever marginalised at Westminster.

Like the Tories, the Labour Party will, more and more, also become a wholly English (National) Party!




53

TWC,

exLabour 31/05/2009 10:07:04
Dither dither dither, take a look back nothing has changed since he took over from Blair.
54

Johnnyf,

Neverneverland Previously called Britain 31/05/2009 10:10:08
#52 Marian
New Labour never existed 50 years ago.
It was the Labour Party then and they gave us the National Health Service etc. Before that if you had appendicitis, a rotten,septic tooth which spilled poison into your stomach and you were Joe Public, you died. Thatcher spent her entire career on trying to dismantle the N.H.S. and to base it on a private subscription health care system as in U.S.A.. There system is as described above and Obama made health care one of his primary objectives in his election campaign.
55

Vivas,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 10:14:15
The Lib-Dems cosying up to Labour would be a death sentence with an election coming up in 12 months. So I'm all for it...it would simpilify matters greatly at the ballot.

Vote Labour-LibDem
Vore Conservative
Vote SNP

I don't *think* the LibDems are that stupid, but with grandees like Ming the Senseless still wielding influence, you never know your luck !
56

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 31/05/2009 10:20:50
#61 I agree.

The Lib-Dems would be wise to steer well clear of this, but they have been known to get it wrong spectacularly on previous occasions. If the Lib-Dems join up with Labour, they will go down with them, make no mistake. I think Vince Cable is old and wise enough to resist the tempatation of ministerial trappings this side of an election. He will see Brown's overture it for what it is - utter desperation.
57

Vivas,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 10:38:38
I'm sure that many have already read this story this morning... "Scottish Labour MP's electrician abducted by aliens."

http://tinyurl.com/Devine-alien-abduction

If you haven't... then pour yourself a coffee, let the sun flood in the windows, read the story ... and LAUGH !
58

Azaelea,

London 31/05/2009 10:49:23
I listened to the spin that this pretender put on the expenses claims fraud this morning on the Andrew Marr show and have never heard such a load of second class PR twaddle in my life. So GB wanted to reform the expenses system did he? Why then Mr. B did you allow the speaker to personally edit the "Green Book" in 2004-he did so with your support. You were warned in 2007 about this and have only sought to prevent the truth being published: Former chairman of the Committee on Standards in public life, Sir Alastair Graham has said he flagged the issue of MPs' expenses with Gordon Brown before he became prime minister.Then Bliar intervened to cover up the frauds being committed. And now you are using more of OUR money to investigate! http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23388869-details/Fury%20as%20Blair%20sacks%20sleaze%20watchdog%20%27for%20criticising%20ministers%27/article.do
59

Johnnyf,

Somewhere deep in the niggly part of your mind 31/05/2009 10:50:00
A stranger from Mars reading this page would think that Gordon Brown alone created all the undoings of this country. Are there no Tories involved in this expenses scandal? Did Clegg not claim his £23,000 per year allowance or Cable his? Did "fat boy" Salmond not claim his £400 monthly food allowance, even during Parliamentary recess? Have Adams and McGuiness etc. not claimed extortionate allowances despite never having sat in their seats at the Commons? Did the world economic crisis not spring from greed in the American sub-prime market?
No, "Broon" has got to, not as a failure to the country but as a cheating, tax grabbing opportunistlike the others named above plus the rest from ALL parties. I think if you do a head count, there are more Tories involved in this than the other parties. Remember it is the bastion of Conservatism who are reporting this saga. Labour politicians (used vey loosely, normally elevated union men and politcal opportunists) are just emulating the privileged Tory/Liberal M.P.'s who have mis-governed the U.K. for centuries, except a lot of them don't have the brains to be sleekit. Mind you politics and the church was always reserved for the "runt of the litter" in Victorian Britain.
I'd like them all sacked, Brown, Darling, Blears, Osborne, Dorries, Clegg, Adams, McGuinness,Salmond, etc........
Let's replace them with public figures who could formulate a policy, we don't need M.P.s in Parliament every day and let's face it, none of them are in Parliament every day. On that point let's also abolish the second or first job, Company Director, Consultant, P.R. consultant, etc.. and abolish the allowance of family members working for M.P.s.
#40 Jimmy
If you think this paper is a "New Labour rag", why do you post here all the time. If you think the Scotsman is at all left wing, you would be better posting to "Nazi News" or "Take the First Right, and then Keep Going Right, Cycling Magazine".

Professional politicians of all parties should be
60

morris,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 10:55:10
Yes in true Labour Party tradition the bus has left the road and is hurtling down the cliff,but if we change the passengers around it will reverse and rejoin the road again!

Aye in yer dreams maybe!

Broon is finished. Labour are .the UK is finished.


You dont need a crystal ball,its on every television set and in every opinion poll for all to see!

Of course there will always be people who think Gordon can still win. Glenumptyrothes is one example!

The fact that even divine intervention will not save Mac Cavity noo will be lost on them.
As one Labour stalwart once explained to me.What else is there? Ye can only vote Labour.Everybody else is Tories ! Thank God we have people with such outstanding intellect to keep us right.
61

Alan B,

31/05/2009 10:56:46
Brown was appalling on the Andrew Marr show this morning.
62

Number 6,

Germany 31/05/2009 10:59:12
Good grief, issuing instructions on how to appear "concerned" when facing the wrath of the voter.

The lies and deceit that Labour will demonstrate during the Euro election campaign, wil mark new lows in Labour's history. Brown can shuffle his pack, get a new deck, or even mark the cards. It will make no difference . He and his party of thieves and liars are finished. Both sides of the border.
63

morris,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 11:11:39
64 Indeed and Thank You for bringing this to our attention.

Its funny bordering on God knows what!

ALL OF YOU SHOULD READ THIS !
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 11:13:41
#66 Johnnyf,

What makes you think New Labour Sleaze are left wing???
They, with the help of the Tories are going to flog off the Royal Mail - very left wing!!!

What makes you think The Hootsmon is left wing???
All this paper does is publish New Labour Sleaze press releases as news!!!

I post here because I try and do my bit to make sure that the SNP get a fair hearing which they would otherwise not get from the Scottish media.

Look at today's Hootsmon on Sunday and see what the 'stories' are. Now look at the rest.

And as for the stranger from Mars, He must have thought Comrade Broon was some sort of messiah!!!

Single handedly abolishing boom and bust, saving the world's financial system, orchestrating the expenses cover-up, backing an illegal war, disowning his own country and countrymen and other crimes against common-sense!


VOTE SNP.



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Azaelea,

London 31/05/2009 11:16:01
It is now confirmed: COVER UP ! And the Pretender will not call an Election; only one thing for it- the Queen Can Dissolve Parliament and if she is still regards her role as serving her subjects, she must listen to their voice before GB Abolishes the Monarchy by introducing a Bill of Rights- sign the petition http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/the-queen-to-dissolve-parliament-and-call-a-general-election.html
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Johnnyf,

Neverneverland Previously called Britain 31/05/2009 11:19:15
#67
Are you that qualified to question someone else's intellect?
Are you not confusing this with statement with your own perceptions/bias/political leanings?
Everybody said the Tories were dead in the late 1990's and will do again after 10 years of the Eton Boys.
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preddo53,

leeds 31/05/2009 11:26:22
I would like to make a plea on behalf of all Englishmen who are sick and tired of failed Scottish politics. We in England implore the good people of Scotland, for who we have much respect and liking for, to vote for the SNP and achieve independence. We just cannot take anymore of this nonsense, we want our country back as much as you want yours back. We down here think this is the worst government in history, although we do feel sorry for the people of Scotland, seeing the calibre of Scottish politicians. So if you could just see your way to voting in the right direction it would be much appreciated, and if you find yourselves a bit short of cash we could come to some agreement. Anyway, toodle pip, I must be gone now, Iv'e got me dinner on and I'm a bit peckish, and I need to read the paper, just to see who else has been fiddling my taxes. Bye for now.
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Johnnyf,

Neverneverland Previously called Britain 31/05/2009 11:28:24
#71 Jimmy
A lot of fair comment there Jimmy.
I'm actually thinking about voting SNP(not for the first time) at the Euros. I don't think they have done that a bad job, to be honest. I don't like Salmond and can only watch to Sturgeon with my eyes shut, but she talks some good things there. Fair to be fair, how can Salmond claim, and eat, £400 worth of food monthly during the Summer recess of Parliament?
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morris,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 11:28:52
72 I doubt that she will do so,(but where do I sign )........................but even as a confirmed republican I would have to agree that the Royal Family would do themselves no harm whatsoever by removing Maggie Broon. Hopefully Alastair nobodys Darling might cop it also as a result in which case,

I might even reconsider my preference for a republic (but not an independendent Scotland).

Tis a far better thing you do than one has ever done before ma'am !
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Mèths,

31/05/2009 11:30:18
Blair, Brown and the odious Mandelson have jointly destroyed what was once a fine political party. They HAD to get back into power and their master plan was to ditch any semblance of socialism and pander to middle England. Middle England swallowed this hook line and sinker.

This once proud party has now become a hollow, shallow sham. The emperor has no clothes. They should accept they will be booted out at the next election and call it sooner rather than later. They should re-discover their roots and abandon all that is new labour.

If not, then they will be wandering in the wilderness for many many years. Believe it or not I am saddened by this. I'm not saddened for New Labour. I'm saddened that the short-sightedness of Blair, Brown & Mandelson who wanted to win at any cost, has brought us to this mess.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 11:46:38
I'm in fundamental agreement with preddo53,Leeds. Its time for England and Scotland to go it alone. Its insane and undemocratic for English voters, to have a Labour government foisted on them by thousands of Scots voting for red balloons on sticks. Equally its insane and undemocratic for Scotland to have a Tory government imposed upon them by the basically conservative voters of England.

The solution to this is simple, democratic and amicable. Independence for England. Independence for Scotland.
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preddo53,

Leeds 31/05/2009 11:46:39
JohnnyF.Johnny, Johnny, Johnny. Now why would the English want to come up to Scotland to rob rape and pillage, just because your Scottish mafia have done it down here for the last eleven years. We don't want revenge, we want you to be happy, so we can be happy. All we want is a government who can govern, It's not a lot to ask. I can't understand why you are so annoyed, we are'nt arrogant, we're just destitute and pi33ed off, thats all. Anyway, like I said, I have to get my dinner, potato peelings today, really looking forward to it. Bye.
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morris,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 11:52:10
73 The opinion polls say what I said ! My opinion does not matter any more than anybody elses.I never claimed that it did.

Can you say other wise?

The Labour Party are deep in the doldrums and its hard to see them surviving a total humping on Thursday. That will add credibility to those who say Labour are out for a long long time.

If that proves to be accurate then all kind of permutations can then become reality !

A likely possibility is Labour in Scotland will realise that they will wait for twenty years before they can recover sufficiently to challenge again,and the electorate in Scotland will desert them since people tend to back horses only when they can win.That's the theory anyway.Of course if you think VOTE LABOUR because they trail behind UKIP is a good slogan then fair enough.You are entitled to an opinion,and this is only mine .
I think the pressure on Labour in Scotland will be so much that they have no choice left but to embrace separation.
Of course they may decide to do what they did before and elect 18 years of Tory government including Thatcher .That was a big success wasn't it!

Perhaps the most foolish words ever spoken were it will never happen! I think stats will prove that if its even possible sooner or later it will happen!Its looking sooner with each passing day,but time will tell. Thursday should give us a better indication!
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Johnnyf,

Neverneverland Previously called Britain 31/05/2009 12:05:58
#81 Preddo
Preddo,Preddo,Preddo,
Answer no 1 - History makes me think that way.
"Potato peelings" for your lunch. You lucky,lucky B*****d. I'm only half Scottish, Great,Great,Great Granny raped by marauding English on the other side Great Grandmother & Great Grandfather driven from Ireland for want of a potato. Ate grass while yer British government had corn surplus.
Anyway, enjoy your lunch. I would think there will a wee bit of roast there, Yorkshires, gravy, broccoli?, etc. You sound like a good guy. I actually like English people was married to one.
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Richard Lionheart,

31/05/2009 12:17:30
Gordon Brown proudly presents "Brown Bounce 3"

After the roaring success of Brown Bounce 1 and 2 he says he did not come into politics to see people produce bounces but he is determined that there is no one else capable of doing it and that he would is therefore giving it his undivided attention.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 12:31:46
What a diddy Brown is. If he'd had any sense he would have had a major re-shuffle at the time of the banking crisis - brought in the Libs then, maybe even a few Tories, formed a Government of ''national unity'' and he would probably have got away with it. But just like his craven failure to go the polls at the start of his term of Office as PM he dillied and dallied and didn't do it.

He won't do this either.
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ratzo,

31/05/2009 12:46:55
I see William Hill have suspended all betting on Brown to step down from leadership in 2009
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preddo53,

leeds 31/05/2009 12:53:12
JohhnyF, Funny that, my parents came form Ireland, there seems to bea lot of us over here. I feel the same as you about what the British did in Ireland, but the point you're missing is the British included the Scots too. I'm not really having potato peelings, Iv'e no intention of repeating history. What I cannot understand is why there are not 40 million of us outside Westminster, I think they'd get the point then. This government have tried to devide us all, and they've done a pretty good job so far, devide and rule, and we are all falling for it.
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ratzo,

31/05/2009 13:03:50
Sockpuppets at 83 & 87. How tedious.
81

Electric Hermit,

31/05/2009 13:10:50
80
Vivas

"Its insane and undemocratic for English voters, to have a Labour government foisted on them by thousands of Scots voting for red balloons on sticks."

Never let mere facts get in the way of a drivelling rant. It was "middle-England" that elected New Labour.
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Homo Sapiens,

Elstree 31/05/2009 13:17:08
Spin and more spin. Just incredible. Now Gordon Brown is telling us that the people don't want an immediate election, but want him to take care of the economic disaster that he was a key reason in its creation!

Just get the Heck out of here! Your time, and the time of your bandits is over. Call the elections NOW
83

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

31/05/2009 13:21:42
Brown is running out of time...he must stage a fake heart attack immediately and retire on health grounds before Thursdays Election.

Or Labour will be doomed for all eternity.

If he leaves it too late...Nothing less than a Japanese Style ritual suicide.

Televised Live, with audio of him apologizing profusely and sincerely, as he pulls out his own entrails, until he has no more breath to apologize with, will suffice.
84

Electric Hermit,

31/05/2009 13:41:39
90
Hom0 Sapiens

"Call the elections NOW"

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

If an election is called now both government and parliament are all but paralysed. That may not matter much in the case of the former, but the latter has a lot of work yet to do.

An immediate election means that the new parliament will still be embroiled in - and tainted by - the whole "expenses scandal". Rather than being the fresh start that everyone wants, it will simply be dragging out the agony for months if not years. Great news for The Telegraph! But not so good for the rest of us.

The whole allowances and expenses system needs to be drastically overhauled and a new code of conduct with meaningful disciplinary procedures implemented BEFORE a general election. Only then will we be able to draw a line under this sorry mess.
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The Tin Man,

31/05/2009 13:46:17
Here's a good idea to keep the polits in line:

http://www.edinburghsucks.com/2009/05/18/constituent-sends-his-constituents-contract/

I, as candidate in the European Elections hereby agree to the following contract with my constituent, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:

I will remain a fiercely loyal representative for my constituents. I will not put any party before my constituents. If I do, I will resign.
I will work with any organisation in Scotland, the UK or Europe if it will help the people of Scotland.
I will never promise what I know I cannot deliver.
I will acknowledge all letters from constituents within 24 hours between Monday and Friday.
I will acknowledge all emails from constituents within 24 hours between Monday and Friday but hopefully sooner.
I will attend regular advice/consultation sessions which will be widely advertised in the constituency. I will arrange home visits for the elderly, disabled and carers.
I will never knowingly claim credit for something when the credit is not mine.
I will tell people my real views, even when I know they will disagree with me.
I will do my best to keep my website updated every day. I will blog regularly.
My calendar will be published on my website and kept up to date daily from Monday to Friday.
I will not claim one penny in expenses that is not absolutely required for me to carry out my job as an MEP. If I do not keep this pledge, I will resign.
I will publish my expenses, in full, monthly or possibly weekly on my website. If I do not keep this pledge, I will resign.
I will not use any taxpayer funded equipment or office for any other reason that to carry out my duties of MEP. If I do not keep this pledge, I will resign.
I will have no problems being a whistleblower against anyone. In this, I will not be anonymous and I will use the press. If I am caught knowing about illegality or sleaze and not whistle blowing, I will resign.
I will continue to live in the constituency, among the community I serve. If I mo
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The Tin Man,

31/05/2009 13:47:31
will continue to live in the constituency, among the community I serve. If I move from the constituency, I will resign.
I will be a full time MEP with no jobs outside politics nor will I take any money from anyone outside politics. If I do work for anyone, it will be on a voluntary basis which will not infringe on my time as an MEP."

Send it off to your desired polit.
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Johnnyf,

Neverneverland Previously called Britain 31/05/2009 13:50:11
#87 Preddo - No I know all this. Even during the 1916 rebellion the Black and Tans were predominantly Scottish prisoners released to work for the government.
#88 Ratzo - Get a life.
To everyone else, sorry for a wee bit of diversity in my conversation with Preddo but it makes a change from what looks like the Tory party Sunday discussion. Tory M.P.'s are as guilty of expense fraud and I think they will also get a bit of a shock in the euro election.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 14:01:18
Comrade Broon's brass neck is amazing!!!

If it wasn't for him and FOI none of the expense fiasco would have come out????

So why did Comrade Martin spend £250,000 trying to stop the details being released???

I must have missed him criticising Comrade Marshall for stealing £750,000!!!

Comrade Darling saved the world's banks so it's OK for him to steal whatever he can get away with from the taxpayers???

Face up to reality Comrade Broon you've blown it big time!!

Your legacy will be amazing.

New Labour Sleaze - Vote for us and watch the rich get richer and the poor get shafted as usual.

New Labour Sleaze - We know what best for everyone, especially ourselves!!!
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 14:10:56
Labour supporters must have like minds as identical paragraphs praising Gordon Brown's leadership are attributed to different people living in Port Seton, Wester Ross, Central Scotland and Greater Manchester, in the Labour Campaign leaflets specific to each of these areas !
See http://www.snp.org/node/15343
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Electric Hermit,

31/05/2009 14:18:05
93
The Tin Man

"Here's a good idea to keep the polits in line:"

Actually, it is a seriously bad idea. It is open to each individual constituent to insert their own terms and conditions. Suppose one of those conditions was to work for the preservation of the union? Or to secede from the EU? Or to repatriate immigrants?

Many candidates would be unable to sign up to such conditions. But the sensationalist press would only report that they refused to sign the contract. The unacceptable conditions would be played down by the media and disregarded by much of the public in the same way as the facts about the so-called "expenses scandal" are ignored.
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 31/05/2009 14:39:57
#91 The Col. of Monte Cristo.

Sorry to go off topic a bit, but I stumbled across some posts a couple of nights ago between you and Frank McBride on the subject of Tait Communications.

I didn`t have much time that night but when I logged on the next day, all but a few posts had been deleted,which just made me more suspicious.

Could you fill me in on the detail I`ve missed and care to comment on the reasons for the moderators red pen ?
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morris,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 14:41:41
I see Labour have released apology letters which are designed to give the impression that your MP/MSP/COUNCILLOR is sending a personal apology to any constituent who complains about their snout being caught in the trough,seriously!

All the MP/councillor has to do is remember how to write his own name and send it.
An apology produced this way is an insult and certainly NOT an apology but The Labour Party are an apology for a government!
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Electric Hermit,

31/05/2009 14:47:16
100
morris

"I see Labour have released apology letters which are designed to give the impression that your MP/MSP/COUNCILLOR is sending a personal apology to any constituent who complains about their snout being caught in the trough,seriously!"

It doesn't take a genius to realise that such letters would have to be drafted by the party's lawyers.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 15:15:29
Any word on when Comrade Broon will be holding "Britishness Day"??

Any word when he's going to repeal the Act Of Settlement??

Any word when he's going to reform parliament??

Any word on when the bankers pensions are being confiscated??

He tries with the rhetoric, but there is no substance behind it.

Might as well just bug ger off Comrade Broon and take the rest of your rotten, self serving band of halfwits with you.


VOTE SNP.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 15:16:15
102

And when are we getting the EU referendum??
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preddo53,

Leeds 31/05/2009 15:21:26
Auld Twa 97#.

The difference between Nu Lav supporters and the rest of us is that the rest of us have more than 3 brain cells, they for some reason can't fathom what Broooon and co have done. They hang on every word of Nu Lav rubbish that's spouted and can't seem to understand why what Nu Lav have said never actually comes to fruition, they're still going through the education, education, education bit. I don't know when they started dumbing down education but some of these supporters are over 50.My solution to this mess is hangings, of both Nu Lav and their supporters, if you agree, we could get up a petition, I know abour 30 million who would willingly sign. By the way, Ratso, get a life.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

31/05/2009 15:59:39
#99 Desmo

The discussion certainly displeased someone, I suppose it was sufficiently outwith the forum's rules, for the mod to reach for the red pen on receipt of a complaint...but why would anyone complain about info which is in the public domain?

It was on the topic of bogus companies and possible reasons for using them.

featuring prominently was entries in the register of donors to political Parties, like this one ;

Scottish Labour Party
Tait Communications
status: Company
364 Tweedsmuir Road
Glasgow
G52 2EH
20/09/07
£ 28,294.00
nature: Staff. Note: Donation originally reported as being from a Company. The party has now confirmed that it was from an Unincorporated Association.

Tait Communications made regular monthly (in kind) five figure donations throughout 2007, totalling more than £130,000, not in july or august though but a double dose in september.

The donations stopped dead once it was discovered that Tait Communications was not a company at all.

Tait Communications has no Internet footprint beyond the register of donations and Friday nights Scotsman Forum.

The PR Company - IT Campaigns, is also listed at that address, if it was they who made the donation - why disguise the fact(which is ilegal) and if it was not them - who was it and why were they using ITC's address?

We didn't look any further into ITC's client base.



http://tinyurl.com/mgs7ay
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Joe Macdelta.,

31/05/2009 16:09:44
Labour will try any ploy to attempt to hang on to power at any price, dont anybody be fooled, their tea is oot.
99

Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 16:16:02
I see Our Dear Leader, Comrade Broon, is planning a "National Democratic Council"!!!

I wonder what on earth this is all about???

More inane waffle from a fool who can't read the writing on the wall???

And should it not be called "The British National Democratic Council" to promote "Britishness Day"??


VOTE SNP
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 31/05/2009 16:19:21
Gordon: You are a sleaze ridden arrogant unelected cretin of a leader and you were a sleaze ridden cretin of a chancellor. Nobody wants you. In the name of God, go and go now.
101

TWC,

exLabour 31/05/2009 16:30:42
64 thanks that was brilliant, I wonder who signed the Certification for the re-wiring??
102

Davie08,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 16:42:46
107 Jimmy Britishness day is upon us! When the olympic football team GB run proudly out at Hampden in 2012 applauded by PM Broon and a fly past of winged pigs.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 16:48:44
#110 Davie08,

Do you really think Comrade Broon will still be PM in 2012????

The only way that would happen was if he headed up a military coup!!

He would have to get a foreign army as the UK military hate him as much as everyone else!!

VOTE SNP
104

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

31/05/2009 16:55:59
#111 Jimmy Le Pie

The Gurkha's are foreign mercenaries...He could try hiring them.
105

Davie08,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 16:58:16
#111 Jimmy Of course not. But as so many of our unionist friends here live in an alternative universe I was just trying to imagine what it looked like.
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Mèths,

31/05/2009 17:07:14
114

No.
108

Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 17:21:08
#114

No chance!!!
109

Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 17:23:34
114

I look forward to the day when The Butcher's Apron never again flies in Scotland.

VOTE SNP.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 17:26:44
Newsflash from Planet Brown...newsflash...
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nowmagazine.co.uk

Paris Hilton: PM Gordon Brown’s wife Sarah is inspirational

Heiress thinks Sarah Brown is smart and beautiful

Sunday, 31 May 2009

Paris Hilton has sparked up an unlikely friendship with Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s wife. The heiress met Sarah Brown at The First Ladies Of Africa Health Summit Gala in California in and they hit it off.

‘Just had an amazing conversation with Sarah Brown, Gordon Brown’s wife,’ Paris, 28, wrote on her Twitter page. ‘She is such a smart, beautiful, inspirational woman.’

And Sarah, 45, has also paid her own tribute to Paris.
‘Loved Paris Hilton who I met last week in LA for the first time,’ she wrote on Facebook.

‘Nothing about her public image prepares you for the first meeting. She’s a smart, caring, considerate person. Who knew?’
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 17:29:33
More celebrity news from Planet Brown...
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telegraph.co.uk, 10:25AM GMT 28 Jan 2009

Paris Hilton: Gordon Ramsay is Prime Minister of Britain

Paris Hilton, in London to launch her new television show, has said she thought Gordon Ramsay was the Prime Minister of Great Britain. The hotel heiress revealed that, although she said her time in the country taught her slang terms such as "minger" and "fit", she failed to answer correctly when asked to name the British Prime Minister, claiming she thought it was Gordon Ramsay.

Instead she said: "I had lunch at his restaurant yesterday – Gordon Ramsay."
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

31/05/2009 17:38:58
#118 Vivas

I suppose being married to a Prime Minister...you do get to rub shoulders with the world's movers and shakers.
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 31/05/2009 17:57:46
#105 The Col. of Monte Cristo.

Thanks for that Col. I thought I had got the gist of it but next day it seemed a bit much, even for them.

When I saw that your posts had been deleted, however, the alarm bells started ringing.

So, not to put too fine a point on it, the suspicion is that Labour MPs applied for inflated expenses claims, not only to fund their lavish, opulent lifestyles, but also to generate funds for the Labour party by somehow channeling some of it through this "company" to the party in the form of donations.

Allegedly.

Surely this is a matter for the Police ?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 18:04:33
Maybe Comrade Broon should make Paris Hilton Chancellor of the Exchequer???

Would we notice the difference??
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Mèths,

31/05/2009 18:20:52
It gets worse. Now Brown has called in Blair for suggestions. Another war in the offing?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 18:23:04
#123 Meths,

I thought Comrade Blair was lined up to be next President of Europe and next Pope??

Unless he's calling up divine help???
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Mèths,

31/05/2009 18:40:58
"Unless he's calling up divine help???"

Sidney?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 18:44:14
Come on now Meths, do you really think Sidney Devine would associate himself with a loser like Comrade Broon??

In fact I doubt if even the Krankies would want to know Comrade Broon!!
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Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 19:38:55
re124

Ehm I dont think his Presbyterian God is going to get him out of this fix. Afterall is there not a Commandment about the Sabbath? I think thats another Commandment he has broken - ooops! Fire and Brimstone come to mind!
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

31/05/2009 19:45:02
#121 Desmo

That is certainly one possible explanation.

Another might revolve around whether a donation of £130,000 in staff and services, is defined by the cost incurred by the donor, or is a notional figure based on the imagined value of the services, which cost the donor somewhere between £130,000 and zero...and how a smart accountant might position all that on a balance sheet.

It may of course all be perfectly innocent.

But the "sorry gov' it wasn't a company after all, it wuz an Unincorporated Association that done it then ran away" shenanigans...does tend to make it look like it was paid in 9/- notes.

Does anyone know where "Unincorporated Associations" stand in the great scheme of things, Individuals, TU's and Companies etc having to earn and donate in the plain light of day.
121

Observer,,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 20:14:52
128 I think the unincorporated association is Harmony Row Youth Club, and I think the Tait in Tait communications is Isobel Tait one of the Directors.

But why they want to be so mysterious about it is a mystery.

129 There isn't a Labour Party any more. The ''project'' dreamed up by Blair Brown and Mandleson killed it, it's deid. It's like a zombie now, existing and animated but devoid of any purpose.

It's membership is dwindling and it's associations with partners such as trade unions are dissolving pretty fast too.

People who associate with the core values of old Labour need to go elsewhere, I think that in Scotland it's obvious that the SNP provides a safe haven.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

31/05/2009 20:16:42
#129 Labour lies

I tried thinking of a serious answer to your question from a Labour Members perspective...But beyond the defence of the Union(1707), I would have to resort to barefaced lies.

Which may be good enough for a section of their rapidly diminishing Scottish hardcore vote...but will cut no ice whatsoever in England.
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The Busker in Exile,

Notts 31/05/2009 20:59:41
#129

Why not power for the sake of power.

For a twenty something coming straight out of Uni, £65k is a lot of Dosh, Effectively you are your own boss, can go in to Parliament on the days when you want,long holidays, you can only get sacked once every 5 years, having MP after your name is a Status Symbol, being an MP can open a lot of doors in the Financial & other Sectors. I am sure some of them think being an MP is Sexy.

A half decent Trainee Accountant, coming out of Uni, has got to study a further 3 years ond only after about 6- 8 years (after Qualification) after that starts earning anything near £65k

Being an MP has become a Career

This answer does not apply to all MPs, but would apply to a lot of MPS across all Parties.
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The Busker in Exile,

Notts 31/05/2009 21:04:22
Dont think Jim Murphy is worth £20K never mind the £141k that he picks up as a minister
125

Mèths,

31/05/2009 21:21:00
I wouldn't trust Murphy to clean ma shunkie.
126

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

31/05/2009 21:22:57
#130 Observer

Yes indeed Irene Tait and Harmony Road Youth Club also operate from that same address.

From The Herald, September 15 2008, about the opening of HRYC's new sports comlex;

"The official opening yesterday was the final step. Capital Shopping Centres, owners of the nearby Braehead Shopping Centre, donated 3.5 acres of land and £460,000. ERDC Group, the civil engineering company, constructed the pitch and Field Turf supplied the material. Purple Hotels and Speymill refurbished the clubhouse and Nike gave "a generous donation"."

Surely the source of the previous years £130,000 donation to the Labour Party, can't be hidden in there?

I mean Sir Alex Fergusson, famous footballer, Labour donor and would-be horse thief cut the tape.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

31/05/2009 22:06:50
About Donations from Unincorporated Associations.

Memorandum submitted by the Electoral Commission (PPE 04)

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmpublic/political/memos/ucm0402.htm

Sir Humphrey must have had a hand in the closing paragraph:

3.6 We can see some benefits in requiring donation reports about money from unincorporated associations to contain more information about those in the unincorporated association who have made the decision to donate. These would need to be balanced against the consequent new administrative burdens of such changes. More generally, as Peter Wardle said in our oral evidence to the Committee, potential changes to the level of transparency currently provided by PPERA need to be considered in the wider context of the underlying framework.
128

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 22:39:16
If I hear that scumbag Brown mention those wonderful
Presbyterian values of his one more,truely I will throw up !

His unauthorised biographer Tom Bower-a man who has cronicled the rich and infamous; from "Tiny" Rowland to Robert Maxwell - reveals a tortured,unethical individual, caught in a web of sexual and religous angst. And utterly unfit psycologically or inteterlectually for High Office.

Public Health Warning; Don't read this book late at night kiddies,it will only frighten the bejesus out of you!

Interesting that Brown has elected himself to act as standard bearer for the Nation on the forthcoming
commemeration of the Normandy landings in France.
Expect much use of the word; COURAGE. Being a notorious, congenital coward,Brown knows a thing or two about it, you see. It was that sense of courage and indefatigable notion of "Britishness" that allowed the great man to put those cowardly Johnny Gurkha's in their place,you know.I sense another triumph for Gordon on the horizon!
129

GOODBYE LONDON LABOUR,

Aberdeen 01/06/2009 21:16:54
Good riddance to London Labour and their Quisling Scots followers. You are in for the thumping of your lives. No more Labour lies, sleaze, cover-ups, cheating and warmongering.
Go bak to your Westminster cesspit and prepare for your deserved destruction.

VOTE SNP ON THURSDAY-SCOTLAND'S PARTY.
130

Failed Secular,

07/06/2009 17:46:39
139: would electing SNP be the end of our problems....or the start?
131

morris,

edinburgh 09/08/2009 07:33:49
137 Our problems started a long time ago,within the Uk since thats the ONLY PLACE WE HAVE BEEN for the last 300 years. At least we cant call you Sunshine because but it has yet to dawn on you!

 

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