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Brown in retreat on terror law



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Published Date: 25 May 2008
GORDON Brown may be forced into a U-turn over his plans to detain terror suspects for 42 days without trial in a bid to stave off a Commons defeat which could spell the end of his premiership.
Downing Street is being forced to rethink plans to fight for the bitterly controversial move amid fears that the issue could be turned into a vote of no confidence in the wake of last week's humiliating by-election loss in Crewe and Nantwich.

A phone round of MPs will be made by No 10 this week to establish the level of opposition in the party. If the vote cannot be won, sources say Brown will back down and accept the current limit of 28 days, despite his claim last month that he was going to try to "win the argument" with MPs, no matter the result.

Brown had been hoping to win over up to 50 Labour rebels with concessions, which would have meant that the 42-day limit would be used only on rare occasions, such as when the authorities discover evidence of multiple terrorist plots.

However, several Labour MPs opposed to the bill signalled last night that they would not be persuaded, warning they would even ignore a plea to remain loyal to an embattled Prime Minister.

The tacit acknowledgement of his weakened position comes after the worst few days of the premier's spell in Downing Street and amid fevered speculation among Labour MPs and ministers over whether he should quit.

One minister told Scotland on Sunday that MPs would not simply accept that defeat to the Conservatives was inevitable at the next general election. The source said Cabinet ministers were being made "aware" that one possible route would be for a delegation to simply tell Brown that his time was up, and that he should go.

However, a millionaire Labour donor who helped bankroll Brown's uncontested leadership campaign said the Prime Minister needed to be "much tougher".

Lord Paul said he was "depressed" at Labour's present woes, warned there was little time to get things back on track, and called for a Cabinet reshuffle.

The businessman gave £45,000 to the Brown camp and went on to pledge "whatever I can pay" last autumn if the Prime Minister went ahead with a snap general election.

The peer said: "I don't think we have a better man than him at the moment, but he has to exert his authority. I think he's too gentle.

"If you ask me, I feel he should really have been much tougher from the beginning. Gordon has to exert his authority further."

And several leading party figures yesterday rallied round Brown, with former deputy prime minister John Prescott urging MPs to "get behind" the Prime Minister. One source said all attention was on avoiding another disastrous defeat over the terror Bill.

One insider said: "There is going to be a phone round this week of MPs. To bring on a revolt would lead to even more speculation that he hasn't got the authority to lead any more."

Midlothian MP David Hamilton said last night his mind would not be changed.

"There are certain issues that you don't back down on. Gordon might try and issue the loyalty line, but on the question of 42 days you are not going to convince people like me. It is a bigger issue than the party."

However, Hamilton urged MPs to get behind Brown. "He has got to re-establish that he is the strongest person to lead the party forward and he can do that," he said.

Shami Chakrabarti, director of pressure group Liberty, has this weekend written to Labour MPs urging them not to back Brown's concessions.

She declares: "The clearest option would be for the proposal for 42-day detention to be dropped altogether, acknowledging that the case for any extension beyond 28 days has not been made out."

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25/05/2008 00:40:55
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AJ Fife,

25/05/2008 01:40:12
Brown must stay

Alexander must stay

Scotland's future has never looked brighter!!! LOL
3

Dougie McGill,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 02:47:31
Another U-turn, hardly headline news anymore
4

Guga II,

Rockall 25/05/2008 05:54:41
Maggie Broon will keep pushing his Stalinist, totalitarian control freak agenda, despite what the people want.

Don't worry though Maggie, I've already booked the removalist van for you, from London to Kirkcaldy; though I'm currently negotiating with the English to keep you down there, even though it is a bit like pushing sh1t uphill.
5

donald,

glasgow 25/05/2008 07:07:28
Britain is the Terrorist.

Britain Out of Iraq!"
Scotland Out of Britain!
6

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 25/05/2008 07:32:35
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Donald out of Glasgow.
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 25/05/2008 08:35:37
Neither "Comrade" or "Maggie" sems to fit the bill. The man has never been of the Left and the latter name seems to suggest that he is a homely figure who spends his life making scones.

Brown is simply a man who has spent all his recent years yearning after a job which he has now found to be completely beyond his ability.

For me he ceased to be a man of principle when he endorsed Blair's war in Iraq.

The man has proved to be obsessed with nothing other that self-advancement. He is in short just plain pathetic. I repeat that the big misery is that our electoral system allows us to do little other than elect "all-hat-and-no-cows" Cameron in his place.
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Fenland Farmer,

Cromwells England 25/05/2008 08:46:29
5. Guga II...please may I add " backwards, in divers boots" after the word uphill?
He will be followed north by the part time defense minister (yes..small d & m) and the other darlings.
Sorry but we English will even drive the van north FOC.
9

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 25/05/2008 09:21:19
I think that the country is unfortunately stuck with Gordon Brown. If New Labour do manage to find someone more competent than Gordon (Downing Street cat perhaps?) to replace him, then they will find it almost impossible not to have a general election.

They may be stupid in New Labour, but not quite that stupid......
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Monxton,

25/05/2008 09:23:11
Nats and Tories have such wonderful policies LOL

I'd rather have a worker like Brown to get us through the current crisis than con artists like Cameron (what's a policy , doh),and whatshisname that runs the SNP (england = bad, yawn)

Voters will eventually wake up

ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 09:43:18
Has the party first second third and last finally developed a conscience?? or are we seeing the rats fighting for survival on a sinking ship??
Labour party rebels?? The rebellions which lasts right up until just before the votes are cast and then vapourises like a faart in the wind.
If Brown were in a stronger position there would be no doubt as to how these so called Labour rebels would finally vote, even now its even money.
And yet this vile political party can still muster at least a third of the voting public in Scotland.
That is a condemnation on the voters of Scotland rather than an endorsement of the Labour party.
12

Mcsnagpile,

25/05/2008 10:16:29

Brown should have learned something from Blair. Where are the weapons of mass deception? An impromptu attack on Iran will give labour another 10 years. Get on the blower to Bush.
Do not turn it into 10 Drowning St.
13

Richard Lionheart,

25/05/2008 10:38:25
Brown and Alexander are the best that Labour have to do the job.

Doesn’t say much for the rest of them then!
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 25/05/2008 11:10:45
#11

It is the economy stupid, but bear in mind that Brown has been at the fiscal helm for 11 years and has actively steered this country into a mess. Despite global turmoil we've never been so poorly placed to deal with it because of his irrational tax and spend policies and strange mission to get a "Buggin's turn" at being PM.

Not only has he actively squandered our resources, he is now inactively dithering about and not tackling the major issues like the sort of thing "hard working families" are having to put up with like fuel cost, energy cost and soaring food prices. With leaders like him who needs enemies? I'm quite sure there is more leadership talent in Mr. Cameron's little finger than this sad excuse for a PM.
15

Rodster,

Glasgow 25/05/2008 11:43:18
Unlike his heroine the real Maggie this wimp is for turning lol
16

Biker,

Ayr 25/05/2008 11:52:11
Good news about the U turn on detention times though.
17

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 25/05/2008 13:54:20
Brown is totally clueless.

Gordon has never done anything except Politics so how can he be so politically inept?

Still, not to worry Prime Minister, once you leave just think about all those Directorships that you can hoover up?
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Tolle1,

25/05/2008 14:52:25
Once more the politicians job is more important than whether the policy would benefit the country.

There has been nothing said by Gordon Brown or
Jacqui Smith to make me think that the 42 day detention law requires to be introduced, but if they truly believe in what they say; they should put the unammended 42 day terror bill in front of their fellow MPS in the House of Commons.
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bogmon,

25/05/2008 17:16:08
All this guff from the media about U turns has made politicians what they are. U turns are somehow seen as a weakness, whereas the opposite is actually true. A U turn is an indication that someone has considered something in a different light and changed their mind, which is actually a strength. No wonder politicians are seen as weak liars.
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Boab,

Glasgow 25/05/2008 17:56:43
Wow, not a single poster on this thread saying, 'But that's terrible. How will we defeat the all-powerful Al Qaeda threat without 42-day detentions?'. Glad we've all come to our senses.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

25/05/2008 19:20:28
Maybee Broon could take over at Chelsea
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

25/05/2008 19:24:03
Maybee Broon should take over at Chelsea - they have a zealous British Nationalist Support
23

PointOf View,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 19:33:21
9 Fenland Farmer,
Ha ha, Nice one, but unfortunately we dont want him in Scotland either. There's no place here for him or his cronies. Anyway, his alliance is with the Union so there he must stay. Maybe he and the rest could be traffic wardens keeping the streets of Westminster clear. Hey he would like that, all that Power,,whilst collecting local taxes!;-)

7 Just wondering what the W stands for???
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PointOf View,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 20:03:25
19 JoeMcT

"Gordon has never done anything except Politics so how can he be so politically inept"?

Joe it’s because the only policies he has EVER succeeded in are taxation policies. No one can take that away from him including the many stealth taxes he’s crippled the working man to the point of hopelessness.
Brown and his forked tongued fat cat cronies, especially Blair have lied, lied, lied. They have had 11 years to sort things out yet here we go again they’re banging on about how they are listening to the people and are going to fix it all. Well they’ve fixed it alright good and proper.
25

PointOf View,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 20:03:49
This is how they rule, a very small example ~
Road tax. Advert shows your car being crushed or a computer watching you if you don’t or forget to pay.
TV licence (tax). Show snoops using equipment to catch you out, penalty big fine and /or imprisonment.
Forget to register your car as being off road/ SORN, Big fine and or imprisonment.
Forgot to register your tax return in time, big fine or imprisonment
Work rota your holidays. Want to take your kids on holiday out with school holidays, without permission from school. Unbelievably big fine and or IMPRISONMENT. I applied due to the aforementioned reasons and was sent a letter of refusal from the school stating the above e’g’ big fine and or imprisonment.
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PointOf View,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 20:04:11

The list goes on and on and on.
This government has created so many policies and new laws you would have to be a Philadelphia lawyer just to keep up.

Our rights have been completely eroded even the most basic ones by this dictatorship of a government, yet some of us continue to vote for the scum. The public schoolboy Tories, just wait to see them in action. To be honest you'll soon find out there's little difference between the two. At least here in Scotland Tories continue to pay the price, they're unelectable.
27

Thistledhu,

fife 25/05/2008 20:18:22
Guga II broon dosent live in kirkaldy
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Thistledhu,

25/05/2008 20:38:19
or have a house there for that matter
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Ted Voth Jr,

Mad Town Wes' Consin 25/05/2008 20:59:39
Philadelphia should be proud; you in the country which invented the common law have heard of her lawyers: '…You would have to be a Philadelphia lawyer just to keep up.'

But I write on a related theme. Apparently you still have MPs who are aware of 1215, Magna Carta, and habeas corpus, and all that. Ours are venal and stupid, blissfullyunaware of anything their corporate (d)owners don't tell them. Perhaps there always will be an England. Carry on!

Your former colonists over here are pretty well back to the immemorial old pre-Anglo-Saxon tyranny, despotism, and absolute rule. Maybe we shouldn't have written our constitution down after all.

Yours for the Constitution, the Republic, and the rule of law,

Ted Voth Jr, Citizen

We the people of the United States... do ordain and establish this Constitution.
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Thistledhu,

25/05/2008 21:04:37
#31 ted thanks for your input just wonderd what the flip flop you on about?
31

indune1,

Canada 25/05/2008 22:58:00

Glasgow out of Scotland?
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PointOf View,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 19:18:08
Hopefully labour will be out next GE. However, here is a recent statement from Cameron ~
"Citing a host of Tory greats, including Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher, he argued it was time to solve these issues using Conservative values. Among the solutions he suggested were using the tax system to get people out of poverty, setting a price for carbon emissions to create markets and opening up the state monopoly on education to new providers".

Thacherism here we come AGAIN. Plus looks like he wants to privatise education just like they did NHS, ect. Look at the state of the hospitals since using contractors, filthy.

Use the tax system to get people out of poverty,= More TAX.
Price setting for carbon emissions, = Per mile Road charges, tax).
Open up State monopoly on Education. = Contract out, just like they did the NHS cleaners ect!!!

Scottish? you know what makes sence, SNP.

 

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