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Published Date: 03 May 2009
GORDON Brown has been given a five-week deadline to transform Labour's fortunes or face a leadership challenge after the European elections.
Labour MPs are warning that the Prime Minister will face a challenge should the party do badly at the June 4 election.

The warning came after a disastrous week at Westminster that saw a humiliating Government defeat when the Commons voted to allow Gurkha veterans the right to live in Britain and an embarrassing U-turn on MPs expenses.

A growing number of MPs believe Charles Clarke will mount a stalking horse-style leadership bid later this year that would pave the way for a more credible challenge from Health Secretary Alan Johnston or Justice Secretary Jack Straw.

"I no longer believe that Gordon will lead us in to the next election. It is that bad," one senior backbencher told Scotland on Sunday. "I don't think he's enjoying the job and he doesn't want to go down in history as the first Labour prime minister since Jim Callaghan to lose a general election and I think the level of loss will be comparable to that of Michael Foot in 1983.

"This week's damage has been permanent and it calls into question his judgement in a way that's quite stark. He may or may not have a dazzling intellect but he has demonstrated that he has no judgement and that's catastrophic for a prime minister.

"I think he is very fed up and very unhappy in the job and who can blame him. Yes, I think he is losing the plot. There is no narrative, there is no strategy and we don't know what the Government is for anymore."

Another senior Labour backbencher said: "The mood is clearly one of absolute despair. We were astonished by the incompetence of the whips office over the Gurkha vote. It was bad political management, bad politics. But the mood was even worse when it came to the expenses with the Government caving in and then denying that it was caving in – trying to pretend that black was white.

"I think people would like to go to bed tonight and wake up the next morning with him gone. I suspect that Charles Clarke will do something about it after the European election. Some quixotic challenge is almost inevitable.

"The body language and signals coming from Charles Clarke are proving increasingly difficult to ignore and he isn't denying it. That would unbreak the logjam and enable a figure such as Jack Straw or Alan Johnston to break out."

A problem with that scenario is that figures like Straw and Johnston might be reluctant to sacrifice their own ambitions to become a leader that takes Labour to certain defeat.

A lone voice of support for the Prime Minister came from former deputy prime minister John Prescott, who criticised Clarke for his remarks last week when the former education secretary said he was "ashamed" to be a Labour MP. "Charles, if you are ashamed to stay in the party it's obvious what you should do isn't it?" Prescott said.

Prescott however dismissed Clarke's attack, saying that he had been a long-standing critic of the Prime Minister.

Meanwhile, former Liberal Democrat leader Paddy Ashdown claimed that there could be a wave of defections from Labour if the Government was defeated at the next general election. He said: "There are signs that certain constituency parties are growing really left-wing. Senior Labour figures have said to me, 'If that happens, I'm off'."


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1

kirk 1,

03/05/2009 00:54:59
too late.
2

Forward not Back,

03/05/2009 01:13:06
Let's hope that Labour become a permanent irrelevance on British politics after this election.
3

Colkitto,

River Clyde 03/05/2009 01:18:29
Honestly,what is Brown going to change in 5 weeks ?
He's been a disaster since becoming PM.
Labour have to realize, Brown will cost them humiliation, with a new leader, it will simply be defeat.
4

Edward,

03/05/2009 01:21:36
I agree, it is too late for Brown and New Labour, north and South of the Border. Labour are now a spent force, soiled goods.
The Labour sleaze just keeps churning out. The latest being Jim Devine, who has claimed a total of nearly £17,000 in "car" and "mileage" costs, said his office manager drove him around his constituency in her own vehicle and he repaid her costs in full, except his office manager has angryly stated that she only received £ 60!
Labour are now the sleaze story that just keeps on giving (or in Labour's case, taking). The pinacle is expected to be the exposure in July of a torrent of sleazy and corrupt expense claims being made public, which will include one claim by a Labour MP for a Sauna!, the excuse being that it was for 'medical reasons'
Anyone considering voting for Labour at the June European Elections or the General Elections, should consider their own sanity!
5

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03/05/2009 01:29:11
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Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 01:37:19
The comrades are sh!tting themselves!!!!!!!!

Hazel Blears, Charles Clarke, Ruth Kelly, Kate Hoey, David Cairns, John McFaul, Stephen Byers, Frank Field, David Blunkett to name but a few are beginning to squeal!!

Like watching headless chickens disappear up their own backsides!!

Bring on the election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 01:38:38
And all the while the sleaze continues!!!


A SENIOR Labour MP has been challenged by a member of his own staff over the thousands of pounds in mileage he claimed from the taxpayer.
Jim Devine, who has claimed a total of nearly £17,000 in "car" and "mileage" costs, said his office manager drove him around his constituency in her own vehicle and he repaid her costs in full.
But the office manager, Marion Kinley, told the Sunday Herald: "I received only £60."
A leaked email also shows that a Labour councillor accused Devine, the MP for Livingston, of expecting his staff to act as chauffeurs.
The news of Devine's expenses claim comes as MPs are under increasing pressure to explain their use of the taxpayer-funded allowances system for travel expenses and second homes.
One Labour MP is said to have claimed the cost of building a sauna on his second homa allowance, insisting that a skin condition made it necessary for him to have regular sessions at his home. The unnamed parliamentarian would have left taxpayers with a bill of thousands of pounds.


Times up comrades!!!!!!!!!!!!
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/05/2009 01:47:44

Gordon or no Gordon, it makes no difference, Blair then no Blair, it made no difference,

Labour will not be shifted, we have no-one out there to do it, no flamboyant leaders of opposition of the past, to who made the News every week, no-one that is prepared to say "Boo, we are the opposition Party"!

Get your 'Publicity' Wrong, and seemingly Hide away, does one no favours!

Ludicrous it is, and no-one see's it, but the results will show this toll,

Labour Win!, yet again!

You cannot Win an election, mumbling on in a wee room!, while others like Labour are 'out-there' communicating, with the Public, for the way it is!

Others all Sleep!,,,Labour Win!




9

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 01:48:02
And all the while the waste and extravagance continue apace!!

From the NOTW,

"FOREIGN Secretary David Miliband is to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds on a private jet to whisk him around the world.

As recession-hit Britain struggles under the weight of historic debt, Mr Miliband plans to travel in FIVE-STAR LUXURY rather than take scheduled flights. It means flying him to the US and back just once could cost £250,000.

We can reveal the minister has ordered his minions to find him a luxury Gulfstream or Learjet plane to be on standby to whisk him away on official trips abroad at a moment's notice.


Each trip could cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of pounds when Miliband could simply take a scheduled flight instead.


His boss Gordon Brown SCRAPPED the Queen's Royal Flight in March to SAVE MONEY, but Miliband is going for his own royal-style jet despite the country's nosedive into recession and debt."

Where has Eddie Barnes and Hamish when there is a good story to uncover???

10

Edward,

03/05/2009 01:53:22
Labour Sleaze - the Story that keeps on producing!
'Labour peer Baroness Uddin claims £100,000 expenses on empty flat'
11

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 01:54:11
And all the while the sleaze continues apace,

From the Sunday Times,

"A LABOUR peer who lives in the East End of London has claimed about £100,000 in parliamentary expenses on a flat in Kent that neighbours say has been unoccupied for years.

Baroness Uddin, who worked closely with Tony and Cherie Blair, has been claiming allowances intended for peers living outside London although she resides only four miles from the Lords.

Inquiries by The Sunday Times have established that the baroness bought a two-bedroom flat in Maidstone in 2005 and has named it as her main home to claim almost £30,000 a year in accommodation expenses from the House of Lords.

Residents from the five other flats in the same block as Uddin’s property all say they have never seen her there. They could see through the windows that the bedrooms were unfurnished. "
12

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 02:00:24
And all the while the lying and the deceit continue apace!!,

From the Sunday Times,

"NEW evidence has emerged to suggest that Ed Balls, the schools secretary, and his deputy manipulated evidence to avoid blame for last year’s school tests fiasco.

On at least three occasions, including on the floor of the Commons, Balls and Jim Knight, his junior minister, accused Ken Boston, head of the former exams watchdog, of downplaying the scale of the problem in a meeting last June.

Only after the release of Lord Sutherland’s official report into the debacle, which disrupted the education of tens of thousands of children, did Knight quietly admit that Boston had not even been present at the meeting.

The Sunday Times has now established that Knight made this admission only after Boston’s employer, the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority (QCA), discovered the truth while checking the case against him, ahead of his departure. "
13

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 02:04:21
Does anyone know the minimum time between calling a general election and holding a general election???

14

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/05/2009 02:08:59
14 So not only is she making dodgy expenses claims she is leaving a two bedroomed flat in Maidstone (where there is huge un-met demand for housing) empty while she does it ? Jeezo the selfishness in that is ridiculous. And this person thinks she can legislate for our behaviour ? I am so completely fed up with the behaviour of the ''people's party''. Their self-centred selfish careerism appears to know no end, whilst at the same time they think they can legislate for and stand in judgement on the common man and woman. Bring out the tumbrils. I fancy a bit of knitting.
15

Edward,

03/05/2009 02:13:17
#16 Jimmy Le Pie
Answer is 'minimum of 17 working days between the issuing of a writ to returning officers in each constituency - telling them to return an MP for the next Parliament - and the election itself. The prime minister can announce the election date on the same day as writ is issued.
Got that from the BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7025661.stm
16

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 02:14:29
And all the while the waste and extravagance continue apace!!

From the Mail on Sunday,

"Ministers have spent £30,000 learning how to handle tough questions from interviewers.
Culture Secretary Andy Burnham is among those who have signed up for the ‘media training’ sessions, at a cost of up to £3,000 a time.
The sessions are usually conducted by broadcast journalists, who advise Ministers on body language, clothes, haircuts and tone of voice, and suggest devious strategies for dodging killer questions, such as continuing to answer a different question until the interviewer gives up."
17

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 02:16:45
And the recriminations continue apace,

From the MOS,

"Eight Labour MPs who defied the Government to let the Gurkhas live in Britain are on a secret 'hit list' of rebel backbenchers singled out for punishment by Chief Whip Nick Brown.
The MPs, whose identities have been passed to Gordon Brown, could be banned from standing at the next Election in revenge for defying the Prime Minister.
Well-placed sources say the Chief Whip plans to tell all 20 persistent rebels on the list that they are being targeted for poor Commons attendance, but the real reason is their defiance."
18

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 02:19:33
#18 Edward,

Thanks for that.

Just getting ready for the forthcoming campaign!!
19

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 02:21:44
And the sleaze and corruption continue apace,

From the Sunday Times,

"JAMES PURNELL, the work and pensions secretary, was last night embroiled in a new expenses row as it was revealed he claimed £10,000 more from the parliamentary authorities than he paid in rent to the landlord of his London flat.

Purnell submitted claims of up to £2,020 a month to cover the cost of rent for his “second home”, but bank records show he paid his landlord a monthly sum of only £910.

The claims were made for the apartment in Covent Garden he shared with his former fiancée Lucy Walker, a documentary film maker. The disclosure follows the publication last week of photographs showing that at the end of his tenancy he left the flat “like a pigsty”. "
20

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 02:24:34
And the lunacy gets worse by the minute!!!!

From the MOS,


Embattled Gordon Brown's state of mind is under further scrutiny after it was revealed that he had a tantrum during a series of tough television interviews in No10.

The Prime Minister had to be calmed down by Business Secretary Peter Mandelson after erupting in a series of off-camera clashes with broadcast journalists.
Lord Mandelson soothed a raging Mr Brown and reassured him: 'Gordon, calm down, calm down. It's a bank holiday weekend. You can have a rest.'

The extraordinary scene unfolded after Mr Brown's frustration boiled over in five tense interviews on Thursday. Viewers could clearly see the signs of strain. But the moment the cameras stopped, he lost his temper and:
• Told one journalist: 'You are impugning my integrity.'
• Ripped off his microphone twice and threw it down.
• Walked out at one point and said: 'I need a break.'
• Threatened another reporter: 'I will be watching your broadcast very closely.'
According to one source, Lord Mandelson - who has been drafted in to No10 to help the Prime Minister's desperate fight for survival - 'put a proverbial arm round Mr Brown's shoulder' and told him to keep a cool head and not to respond to attempts to provoke him."

21

Wisnaeme,

03/05/2009 02:38:10
Post 23.

OK, it's Mail on Sunday reportage and most of us know that rag has it in for Mandy; figuritively, that is...

But would you be calmed down and soothed by a 'petting' from Mandy?

Oh aye, ah would so. ...Aye right.

.
22

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 02:41:08
#24 Wisnaeme,

Pity it hadn't been filmed. Mr & Mrs Jacqui Smith could have bought the DVD and claimed it on expenses!!
23

Jimmy Le Pie,

03/05/2009 02:44:39
Would having two unelected PM's be a first in the UK???

From the Sunday Express,

"HEALTH Secretary Alan Johnson is being lined up to act as emergency Prime Minister amid growing concerns among Labour MPs about Gordon Brown’s state of mind.


The 58-year-old could take over as an interim measure if Mr Brown quits for the sake of his own health after an expected meltdown at next month’s local and European polls.
24

Wisnaeme,

03/05/2009 03:14:07

Some articles in the Sunday Herald worth reading, by the way.

Apart from more revelations on the usual, monotonous, New Labour corruption; a certain James Cusick, the Westmidden editor, has decided to put the boot into the Broon jobbie and done a couple of numbers on him.

Dearie me, ah wonder how that's going down with the faithful, New Labour, Westmidden Scottish grandees?

Cusick will have his jotters, then?

Naw, not even the blind relying on their wee poodles can avoid mentioning the stench of corruption, indecision and incompetence emitting from Westmidden on sewer, these days.

Ho hum, we'll have the other lot in and more of the same soon enough then?

Ach weel, some folk are easily satisfied, with the more of the same, things will get better, Westmidden platitudes, ah suppose.

... and it will be the return of normal service being resumed and beezness as usual, no doubt.


.
25

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 03/05/2009 06:31:50
In my 50+ years I have never seen such an incompetent useless Prime minister and government.
It is amazing that they have manged to stay in office .
They may indeed have a commons majority ,however they have lost the morl authority to govern.
Yet we still have the usual suspects on here trying to defend the indefensible.
The same ones that say this Westminster government is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

They also say Scotland could never govern itself.
no matter how difficult it would be in an independent Scotland it could not be ny worse than this farce.
26

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03/05/2009 06:33:34
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 03/05/2009 07:03:30
There is almost (but not quite) a sense of guilt associated with watching the much troubled Brown wrestling with his internal demons as his wee world implodes around him.

With his own psychological issues allied to the inherent sleaze and corruption of his party in general, this is a bit like being one of those sad individuals who used to visit lunatic asylums in order to gain amusement at the antics of the inmates.

That infamous YouTube “expenses” video will surely go down in history as the defining moment when it finally became obvious to the public at large that Brown was a serious basket case.

The vultures may now appear to be gathering, but so are the men in white coats who are coming to take him away, haha!
28

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 03/05/2009 07:43:36
Xerox & mobile phone makers might be able to breathe more easily soon...

Distinct lack of Labourites on here...? GOOD!
29

terry osser,

morden 03/05/2009 08:01:46
but what if labour win?????????????
30

gus1940,

Edinburgh 03/05/2009 08:06:41
And this is the man who'saved the world' only months ago - allegedly.
31

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 03/05/2009 08:16:18
Charles Clarke a stalking horse? Stalking donkey more like. Mind you, Broon makes the man whose department was 'unfit for purpose' look almose competent. Sigh, it almost makes you nostalgic for the days of John Major......
32

Boy Wonder,

03/05/2009 08:33:58
New Labour betrayed its natural support to get into power, and has gone on doing that since then. I don't think Scottish voters will easily forgive them for that. They're in for a helluva drubbing, Gordon or no Gordon.
But the Tories needn't appear so happy about that, because they will NEVER achieve a mandate to rule in Scotland ever again ... not in a hundred years! We just can't trust them in the slightest!
The Libdems are a joke! Sure they get power in the Councils ... and what a mess they've made there. Look at what they've done to Edinburgh!
If the SNP are going to gain from the others, they will have to up their game significantly! And they need a clear mandate to do so.
The rest of the parties will get nowhere ... and rightly so! One-issue parties are useless.
But, as #36 says ... it will be SE England that decides, since it's the most populous area of all.
33

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 03/05/2009 08:41:27
#38 Boy Wonder

So who do you vote for? Labour are shameful and incompetent. The National Party is just Labour that wants independence. The Libdems are a bunch of wh*res who'll do anything for a bit of power. And according to you, we should never, ever ever consider voting Conservative because of a leader and policies they had nearly 20 years ago. Better to cut off your nose to spite your face. Very mature. Like the vast majority of the Scottish electorate.
34

Nelson51,

Newcastle 03/05/2009 08:59:50
# 28 Independentlyinclined

"Bring on the General Election Now....The People from the three nations should decide who shall do what is needed..."
I agree we need an election now, the British people of the three nations (Welsh,Scots,and Irish) should decide. What are we going to do with the English ?. They have been here since the 6th century and I don't think they would be happy about returning to their homelands on the Rhine.
35

TWC,

03/05/2009 09:02:02
39 Draco Was a Wimp

Well it looks like the only choice is the NAts surely you wouldn't vote Tory until after independence.

The New Labour people are living up to their no backbone claim. They say that Brown will go if he doesn't win back the people but truly it's all down to the Euro elections and that was always the case.
36

Nelson51,

Newcastle 03/05/2009 09:02:38
Second thoughts, maybe they would be happy returning, the state this country is in now.
37

Boy Wonder,

03/05/2009 09:06:10
#39. I'm not sure I support any party these days, Draco. And the Tories can say the've changed all they want. I just don't believe them ... otherwise they wouldn't be Tories!!

38

James.com,

03/05/2009 09:21:55
5 weeks? That's another TWO BN. of debt to recover.
39

Joe Macdelta.,

03/05/2009 09:26:18
I dont think it will make any difference who leads the Labour party into the next election, there isnt an honest politician amongst them, with spin and misinformation the main part of New Labour and fraud and downright theft the religion, then they are finnished.
The only thing to think about now is who to elect now, how do you judge which party will do the job honestly, and keep to the mandates given and maintain respect for the electorate which this lot dont.
How do you judge between the candidates now when, all you get is a leaflet stuffed through the door, I like to see the beast face to face on my door step to see if they appear honest, Its as if they dont care to meet the people they will be representing, they are just not interested. Will any of them be worth voting for come the next election, I dont know, but what I do know is this New Labour party isnt worth wasteing a vote on.
40

goldenayr,

Alba 03/05/2009 09:36:13
46
Joe vote for freedom.A smaller country has far more accountable politicians.
41

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 03/05/2009 09:44:20
This is going to be entertaining.
42

Ananurhing,

03/05/2009 09:46:08
Five weeks to save his world! What's he going to do?
You can imagine Mandy with his arm around Broon, breaking into a refrain,

"Medication....Medication....Medication....that's what you need...."

Watch out for signs of it over the next few weeks. I had my suspicions about that You Tube video.
43

Stan Butler,

03/05/2009 09:54:57


The tartan Tories can barely contain themselves at the prospect of having a Tory government.

Truly they didn't mind the economic side so much.


44

TWC,

03/05/2009 09:57:28
When are we going to hear an MSP standing up to Brown.
It is easy to blame Brown but he was not the only elected politician.
The MSPs are doubly guilty because they could have stood up to Brown or at least Murphy/Gray his puppets but they didn't(Wendy Apart)
Fiscal Autonomy, Trident, Nuclear waste, Council Tax .... the list goes on and on.

Even now with a Tory Government on the horizon they could take steps to control Scotlands finances and they won't because of an irational hate of the Nats.


I just hope Brown doesn't do anything extreme
45

tommy M,

Scotland 03/05/2009 10:02:44
Why give him any more chances? It is astonishing enough that he has managed to stay leader this long.Almost as astonishing as the Scotsman asking in it's online poll if Swine flu damages the case for independence!
46

Wisnaeme,

03/05/2009 10:15:28


Ho hum, ...and the meltdown continues.

Only a few short weeks to go before the organ grinder's monkey rolls out the placard with that shop soiled, sordid wearisome slogan of...

wait for it


VOTE LABOUR OR YOU LET THE TORIES INTO EUROPE.

...and we mustn't let our socialist,comrade, worker, people's party front go to he11 in a hand cairt, must we?

Ah mean to say, look at all the achievements they've done for us in Europe.

Aye, Mandy and co did for us right enough.

Ah mean to say, them Tories and their capitalist, beezness pals and high financiers will do for the worker's paradise we've had recently. Where free enterprise works and worker's greed is good for them.
Well, where some worker's are more richly rewarded than others,apparently. Take the wan erm bankers for example But they took the risks, didn't they and right kind of them to do so. But that's comrade worker's socialism for you. No we don't want to let the carpetbaggers and privateers in again, that would be terrible.
No, that would never do Bliar, Broon and Mandy the great architects, plus all sorted all sorts have protected us from them sort of people. We must man the barricades and protect ourselves and the comrade people's party from that sort of thing. let's all unite in unison and sing a few verses of the red flag.
Nope, mustn't let the Tory sleaze bags in.They eat babies raw and uncooked, doncha know.
47

Edward,

03/05/2009 10:35:44
#51 Stan Butler
' tartan Tories can barely contain themselves at the prospect of having a Tory government'
Why would Labour be so keen on a Tory Government?
New Labour have more in common with the Tories than any other party.
It was Gordon Brown that admited that he was a great admirer of Maggie Thatcher!
48

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 03/05/2009 10:46:41
With the sea of sleaze ongoing and more and more "I'm doing the right thing" e.g. knifing the Ghurkas, he should have about 5 minutes before the men in white coats take him away. The cracks are showing when a relatively benign interview with one of his poodles Nick Robinson looked like he was in dock at Nuremburg with an appropriately recalcitrant and grumpy set of responses. If that's on camera you can imagine how behaves off camera. A rather sinister and overbearing control freak is emerging more for the public to see as compared to the frankly laughable YouTube (how appropriate) policy edict on expenses. I suppose he thought that because he said it and it was Internet 2.0 media, with coached behavioural and facial expressions format it was all going to go away. Instead he appeared to have been transmitting from a padded cell. All that was missing was the tinfoil helmet.

In the interests of the country he should stay so that Labour are utterly hammered, but you have to balance this against the awful damage he can do economically and politically in the meantime. None of the intended replacements really inspire either but will probably do less damage up to the GE.
49

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 03/05/2009 11:03:44
51 Stan

Did you realise that "Stan" spelt backwards is "Nats"?
50

Edward,

03/05/2009 11:12:15
Labour are mired in sleaze and its not going to go away, despite how much they will try to divert the voters attention away from it. The latest wheeze from Labour is that they are going to have the expenses censored, so that we cant figure out which MP had it off with another MP at the tax payers expenses (no doubt a certain Edinburgh MP will breathing a sigh of releif)But truth will out, it always does, no matter how much Labour try to cover up
51

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 03/05/2009 11:16:54
57 connaughtboy,


“Stan” gives every indication of being somewhat backward.
52

Evan Owen,

Uppergumtree 03/05/2009 11:22:49
Politics is bust and I blame the electorate, you lot.
53

Stan Butler,

03/05/2009 11:32:48
#55 Edward,


I think Brown said he admired Thatcher's style of operating, not the content of her policies.

Do you understand the difference?

It's like the civil servant who said that Brown's behaviour was Stalinist. What he meant was that the way Brown operated was similar to Stalin, not that his political policies were similar.

It's called a metaphor, where you compare one, only one, characteristic of one thing to another.

It's not like Brown said 'we didn't mind the economic side so much' when talking about Thatcher. The difference is that that phrase refers to the content, not the style. So what Fat N'Eck Salmond was referring to were Thatcher's policies, not the way she went about enforcing those policies. He was saying that ' we (I'm not sure who he meant by 'we', perhaps he meant the SNP, perhaps he meant his electors in Banff & Buchan, a traditional Tory area) didn't mind the economic side ie the policies so much.'

Do you understand?

54

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 03/05/2009 11:36:04
In the name of God or goodness, whatever you believe in, why can't this un-elected cretin just go?
55

Edward,

03/05/2009 11:43:26
#62 Stan Butler
'But since taking office Brown appears to be saying that he is more Thatcher’s heir than David Cameron'
(http://blogs.news.sky.com/boultonandco/Post:7c1118cb-e07e-4ac6-9034-767d05233192)
'Praising her achievements, Mr Brown said Mrs Thatcher had "understood the need for change"'
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-479780/Im-conviction-politician-like-Maggie-Brown-taunts-Cameron.html)
'"I think Lady Thatcher saw the need for change," he said.

"And I think whatever disagreements you have with her about certain policies - there was a large amount of unemployment at the time which perhaps could have been dealt with - we have got to understand that she saw the need for change.'
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562097/Gordon-Brown-admires-Margaret-Thatcher.html)

As far as Browns convictions are concerned, there are purely for the self preservation of ..Gordon Brown
56

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 03/05/2009 11:50:15
On 4th June voters will be asked to vote for people they have never heard of and that includes the majority of sitting MEPs.
This election will be used to vote for any party except Labour and this party is going to get a massive thrashing.
57

yoric,

03/05/2009 11:51:39
There is not and never has been ANY desire for a Scottish Prime Minister across England.

The sooner Brown goes and takes his clansmen with him the better.
The fact that Scotland is on the edge of Independence, and that Scotland is just about Governed now from Scotland anyway, means that whatever happens at Westminster with Labour is not really of any relevance or business of Scotland.
58

Richard Lionheart,

03/05/2009 12:58:11
Hazel Blears is right about Labour’s catastrophic failure. It is not however in communication, it is catastrophic failure as Government Full Stop.

Will Iain Gray now take advantage of Brown’s demise and put himself forward as Labour leader, fighting a Westminster seat at the General Election?


Will “Superman” face a battle with “Mighty Mouse”?

Brown “saved” the World twice and “Saved” the World’s financial system at least 3 times in the last 12 months; will he “save” himself with the same measure of “success”?
59

Hugh Roscombe,

03/05/2009 13:19:08
"It's called a metaphor, where you compare one, only one, characteristic of one thing to another."

Chics dig dig d-i-g dig dig metaphors.

(according to Sparks)
60

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/05/2009 13:46:24
62 It's quite true that Brown didn't have purges and massacre several million of his people, but he's still a Stalinist in terms of his centralised control freakery and fondness for cunning plans. And whilst it is also true that he avoided the miners strike etc, his economic policies stand directly on the shoulders of the ones pioneered by the Thatcher/Reagan years.

Do you understand that ?
61

zigzag,

Tecumseh Canada 03/05/2009 13:50:54
If all of you get rid of this scourge called Brown, one heck of a lot of people will rejoice.

Joy to the World.

What say you Archibald?
62

IainGlasgow,

03/05/2009 13:50:56
#53

I thought you were joking! I had to find the poll and see it with my own eyes to believe it. What kind of question is that and whose idea was it I wonder?

Even more astounding is that 10% voted 'yes' though they are probably all Labour and Tory politicians.

Perhaps the author of the question could suggest exactly how it may weaken the case for independence. It's not like the UK is protecting Scotland from it.

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03/05/2009 13:52:18
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Gtj,

03/05/2009 13:52:19
Please, please, please Fudus ask Gordo to stay, I would not want to miss out on casting a vote in the election that sends Mr Bean and Labour into obscurity.

I didn't get where I am today without being crapped on constantly by Labour.
65

keystone,

Wisconsin USA 03/05/2009 15:20:42
How can fool Brown save something that is not worth saving, New Labor, Old Labor, Any Labor, the party that has DESTROYED the U.K. both financially and culturally when he cannot even save himself? This is the same Brown who fell in love with the fool who claims to be leading AmeriKa, Obama, who is leading AmeriKa to the same disaster that is the U.K. If nothing else Mr. Browns pandering to Mr. Obama proves he has not the slightest idea of what is going on, or what leadership is about.
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smokey joe 1,

03/05/2009 16:19:34
1st of July is doomsday for lie/bore.
Trough dwellers will be exposed.
RIP lABOUR.
68

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/05/2009 20:03:34
#76,

This is someone cloning me for whatever reason, and I do not know how the got away with using my name.

I did not make this post.
69

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 03/05/2009 20:39:38
Interesting that everyone appears to mention THE SON OF THE MANSE'S u tube contribution.

Scary though it might have been perhaps more indicitive of his failing mental health was a recent widely broadcast interview with the "great" man.

Comenting on the swine-flue epedemic (appropriate eh?)
Poor old "Maggie" was seen to be smiling at entirely
the wrong moments - the ex-MONKEY IN THE WHITE HOUSE
had a similar affliction - suggesting someone who is
a complete sociopath,,unable to relate in any meaningfull way to society, or its needs and desires.
Be afraid ! Be terribly afraid !!

Mind you, isn't this disintegration of NEW LABOUR truely the best show in town ? Watching these animals tear themselves appart is quite exquisite. Simply sublime.......

All we need now is wee tommy sheridans (who I hear you ask ?) fun-filled court case and it'll be a grand doo!!
70

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 03/05/2009 21:14:02
78, Charles, there was a bit of sense in the post at 76 which could not have come from you.

Be very afraid unless your clone impregnates your DYW when your are up all hours on your computer writing nonsense instead of being a husband.

Re the article: Broon's oot.
71

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/05/2009 21:28:40

Jock Tamson ~80,

Fair-enough!, maybe I have an unknown fan club, that are looking after my best interests, the post is very good @#76, I just find it very strange someone else using my name, and more to the point, 'How the did It'!

My 'clone has made a few comments today in this paper, they are all pretty good, I made no other comments in this paper after 0330hours today, so If you read any of the ones say from this after noon, they were not mine, but my clone's.

72

JulesF,

Kirkliston 03/05/2009 22:03:31
What if ?

Gordon is an SNP plant, kind of like those deep sleeper secret agents ?

It would make sense.

It's Time !

 

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