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Published Date: 07 June 2009
AS MANY as 100 Labour MPs are preparing to join a "peasants' revolt" tomorrow by publicly calling for Gordon Brown to quit, saying his time at No 10 is up.
Scotland on Sunday has been told that a new letter is being circulated to MPs this weekend which pays tribute to Brown's achievements but urges him to quit with immediate effect.

Organisers are confident of getting it signed by more than the 72 names required to force a leadership contest, amid speculation a stalking-horse candidate, mooted to be former home secretary Charles Clarke, would then step forward.

Last night, Brown's troubles deepened amid revelations that Lord Mandelson had written a wounding critique of Gordon Brown's personal abilities, allegedly describing the Prime Minister as "insecure", "self-conscious" and "angry".

The assessment, given in private e-mails to a Labour party aide in 2008, also attacks Brown for indulging in celebrity gimmicks and argues he should focus on "strategic policy formulation" rather than "telling people that you watch The X-Factor."

He goes on: "A new public persona cannot be glued on to him."

In the e-mails, Mandelson is also believed to say that Brown cannot win the next general election unless he brings back more heavy hitters into the Cabinet. Labour sources said last night that the full exchange of e-mails showed that Mandelson believed Brown could overcome his challenges.

The revelations will pour more embarrassment on to the Prime Minister, who only two days ago appointed Mandelson as his effective Deputy Prime Minister.

Backbench rebels are furious with Cabinet ministers who are known to have private reservations about Brown's leadership but who decided to stand by the embattled Prime Minister last week.

The latest developments follow a calamitous week for Brown, which saw nine Cabinet ministers quitting office and numerous demands from Labour MPs for him to quit.

Yesterday, a new YouGov poll found that less than half of all Labour Party grassroots activists want Brown to lead them into the next general election, with one in five urging him to quit now.

The poll of 800 party members, carried out on Friday and yesterday in the wake of a week of chaos, found that one in three thought they stood no chance of winning the election if Brown remained leader.

More than half – 53 per cent – thought that they would be better off if Tony Blair was still in No 10.

In Normandy for the D-Day commemorations, Brown insisted he would be staying in office. "In these unprecedented times, you are bound to have ups and downs in politics. But you have to stick with policies and make sure they come through," he said.

But if tonight's European election results are as bad for Labour as predicted, dozens of MPs are expected to go public tomorrow with a joint call for him to quit, with up to 100 ready to sign.

One MP said: "There is a serious letter going around to MPs. If the organisers are correct, there will be at least 75 names on it for Monday. It pays tribute to Gordon, but tells him that he must go now."

MPs say the letter campaign is genuine, unlike a fraudulent letter sent out last week.

In further developments, one of Brown's close friends, Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan, told Scotland on Sunday that the Prime Minister had only days to retrieve the situation or face the exit. O'Neill said: "He has a small amount of time and not much space to manoeuvre. The guy has gone through a hellish period. He still believes he can do as good a job as anyone else. The events of the next few days will be crucial."

Other allies, speaking anonymously, said they could no longer see how Brown could survive. One added: "I do wonder how much longer he can take this now. I can't see how he's going to survive the week."

As well as questions over his leadership, Brown is set to face a backlash from MPs over his decision to include no less than six peers in his team, following the reshuffle on Friday.

They include Mandelson, the new Transport Secretary Lord Adonis and the soon to be ennobled Sir Alan Sugar. Sugar will not be a minister but will advise Brown on small businesses. "The move has caused real anger among MPs. It's just an affront to democracy," said one senior insider.

But Brown's rearguard effort continued yesterday, with former party leader Neil Kinnock mocking the rebels, pointing out that none had yet had the "guts" to come out in public.

He said: "The so-called rebels are very few in number, not substantial, and they lack the most critically important feature in democratic politics – what Churchill called intestinal fortitude – guts. If they had any, they would have made their identities known before now."

So far only former work and pensions secretary James Purnell has openly called for Brown to go.




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  • Last Updated: 07 June 2009 11:04 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Labour Party
 
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06/06/2009 19:08:40
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Media at One,

06/06/2009 23:37:09
Who cares!!!! yawn yawn yawn
3

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 06/06/2009 23:57:05
Ye Gods! Has it really come to this ? Does "Maggie" have to rely on the like of the "noble" m'Lord Kinnock
for a character reference, now that slimeball "Mandy" Mandelson has let the cat out of the bag, as his emails castigating the "great one" have come to light?

But then again,its simply the best show in Town as NEW LABOUR tears itself apart. Only those with hearts of marble could fail to laugh at the plight of all those
thieves, liars, warmonger, and clowns that encapsulate
everything that NEW LABOUR has ever stood for.

And isn't it almost touching that even in these desperate days for the Rabid Right Wing NEW LABOUR Party, their friends and sycophants in the Scottish media remain simpering and slavering to the bitter end.
4

madrab,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 00:04:22
If Brown wasn't such a coward he should call a general election.

Nobody elected him as PM.

Nobody wants him as PM.

Those that back him just want to keep their snouts in the trough a while longer.

If it takes a year to get rid of this bunch of crooks then so be it.
5

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 00:06:41
Peasants revolting?

Revolting Peasants more like!
6

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07/06/2009 00:21:26
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 00:34:21

A Hysterical Witch-Hunt!

Question being!, How Much Longer?

8

frank mcbride,

lusitania 07/06/2009 00:36:51
If this report is true, it should not come as a surprise.

We already have about 50 NuLab MPs, declared, as standing down at the next election, and the word is that this number may reach 100+ so, why wait for the payout?
They have nothing to fear, and everything to gain by an early election.

No more bullying by Brown and his team AND less time spent on defending their expennses.
9

Iainbroch,

07/06/2009 00:42:17
Ungrateful louts! He has allowed them to line thier pockets at our expense, given them jobs far above thier mental ability to perform, sprinkled around the knighthoods liberally. Down Peasants! Down!

Placing themselves above the Party and then thier Party before the Country. But then Labourite MPs in Scotland have always done that!
10

GONNYNODEATHAT,

GLASGOW 07/06/2009 00:46:11
This Guy should Interview ALL his Cabinet on the RAGGED TROUSERED Philanthropists.
He will find the Vast majority never even has read the book, only quote what others say about it. He LACKS Major Discernment. The Labour Party is Anti Working Class.
11

Stephen Maturin,

, HMS Surprise at sea , 07/06/2009 00:56:00
What a total non-story. Brown is doing a great job and is the only man to see us through these difficult times. Listing his many achievements during his time as Chancellor and Prime Minister would take hours and show that he has always been looking out for the electorate of Britain. The real headline story is that fat porker Salmond eating all the pies and claiming the full allowance when he should have been flipping homes and sh@gging call girls in his office during Remembrence Ceremonies.
12

nabodican,

Newton Stewart 07/06/2009 01:05:28
#13 - Your are taking the pisssssssssssss ?

Or are you on drugs ?
13

Iainbroch,

07/06/2009 01:06:49
re7

It is a delicious irony that Broonies survival for the moment may depend on the Princess of Darkness! Finally Mandy is thinking to himself I get to f!!! him good!
14

Iainbroch,

07/06/2009 01:11:05
re14

He is taking the piste although he might be the other stuff as well but that would not stop him taking the piste - we are all wondering where is the anti SNP anti Salmond article? It is confusing us!
15

frank mcbride,

lusitania 07/06/2009 01:11:52
#13, Stephen Maturin.

A nice piece of sarcasm:-)
16

Shape to Shoot,

07/06/2009 01:12:57
It doesn't matter whether it's 'fair' or 'unfair'...under brown's watch, labour has fallen to its worst ever level in the polls since records began and an election is at most 12 months away.

People can argue until the cows come home that 'brown's the best man for the job' , and 'he's getting on with the work'....the fact is try to see the electorate as a female and brown the once cherished boyfriend.

He still buys her flowers, pays her compliments, works tirelessly to preserve their relationship....fact is, she's had it with him...he can shove his flowers and his hard work up his €rse and the longer he tries to persevere the more hostile she becomes.

Gordon ! FFS You are chucked !!! Get it ?

17

brianmca3,

auld reekie 07/06/2009 01:43:24
"And now my end is near,but dont want to face a general election,ive lied and cheated so much,its hard to tell whats real or is not
ive live the life of foulkes,and each pie and gravy went down well
but more much more than this i screwed it up MY WAY!"
broon get oot oh toon,time the pied piper came to get the rats back where they belong
18

Vivas,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 02:02:56
2 very good articles written today by Eddie Barnes, but hidden away in the 'Opinion' section of The SOS. Take a look if you haven't already.
19

Vivas,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 02:04:53
1. 'Scottish Nationalists set to capitalise as Labour flounder in crisis'

2. 'Downfall'

Good pieces Mr. Barnes.
20

Iainbroch,

07/06/2009 02:14:27
re21

Read them - Downfall is vicious and I thought I was nasty!
21

Julian.,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 03:38:42
Ianbroch

Yeah, funny that. This newspaper has been carrying articles for days now about the imminent downfall of Gordon Brown. Yet according to you lot it's a pro-Labour, anti-SNP piece of propoganda.

Any article which appears with any hint of criticism of the SNP always gets held up as hard evidence of bias.

One things for sure, If The Scotsman does show bias, it's more than balanced out by the plethora of rabid anti-Labour/pro-SNP comments from those who comment.
22

Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

07/06/2009 04:30:01
The Tories want Brown to stay

Says it all really
23

Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

07/06/2009 04:37:58
Bash Ah Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
He'll save every bank for us

(General Mandy, Bash Gordon approaching.)
(What do you mean Bash Gordon approaching? Open fire! All weapons! Dispatch war rocket Alex to bring back his body)

Flash a-ah
(Gordon's alive!)

Flash a-ah
He'll save every bank for us

Just a manse
With a manse's courage
You know he's
Nothing but a manse
And he can never fail
No one but the pure at heart
May find the Golden Pail
...Oh..Oh........Oh..Oh ................

(Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have fourteen hours to save the banks!)
Flash
Ah Ahhhhhhhh

He'll bankrupt every one of us!
24

Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

07/06/2009 05:26:58
The news that Mr Brown overclaimed on his expenses will further weaken his position, and will strengthen the hand of ministers whose own questionable expense claims might have been used as a reason to remove them.

A detailed analysis of Mr Brown's expense claims also reveals that the Prime Minister claimed £30 on his office expenses for the cost of hiring a bagpiper to play at a ceremony for veterans.
25

Lady Mac,

USA 07/06/2009 06:05:58
I wonder how long it will be before Americans ban together and do the same thing. I think we are looking at a revolt of our own. The whole world has gone mad.
26

Sonare,

07/06/2009 06:19:29
72 signatories induces the 'magic' number into the process ... you can take any given rate of interest; divide it into 72; and the result is the number of years it takes to double the capital. We might thus project what the capital value would be if same conditions continue in Mediocristan.

Example ... house valued in year 1960 at £2000; Annual average appreciation of 9%; doubles in value (72 / 9) every EIGHT years ...

A home valued at £2,000 in 1960 could be valued at over £10 Million in 50 years thus:

1960 ----- £2,000
1968 ----- £4,000
1976 ----- £8,000
1984 ---- £16,000
1992 ---- £32,000
2000 ---- £64,000
2008 --- £128,000

Assuming this average annual appreciation continues....

2016 ---- £256 K
2024 ---- £512 K
2032 --- £1024 K
2040 --- £2048 K
2048 --- £4096 K
2056 --- £8192 K
2060 -- £11 Million (approx.)

Our homes may increase in face value for the next 50 years to over £10 Million in 2060 ... but will New Labours value continue to appreciate also?
27

dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 06:59:57
A quick trawl around the on-line Sunday broadsheets shows precious little if any support for Brown.

I believe the point of no return came on Friday at his cabinet re-shuffle press conference when he lost whatever residual support he may have had in the press corps by blatantly lying about Alastair Darling’s continued position as Chancellor.

His people had been briefing the media since the previous Monday that Darling was going to be replaced by Ed Balls. When this did not happen as planned, Brown was exposed as not only being weak but also mendacious into the bargain.

By threatening to resign the cabinet entirely unless he retained his position, Darling has inadvertently perhaps, delivered the blow which will ultimately prove to be fatal to Brown’s premiership.

Et Tu Darling?
28

donald,

glasgow 07/06/2009 07:03:43
What a spineless revolt, trying to find another nunpty leader.
29

Marian,

07/06/2009 07:15:30
I predict that New Labour's remaining cabinet ministers will be on TV after tonight's New Labour wipeout at the European elections with their surreal automated replies claiming that the results are "disappointing" but that they are a "personal humiliation" for David Cameron in the UK and Alex Salmond in Scotland, and a "personal triumph" for Gordon Brown their great leader.

The last time a leader of a country and his acolytes were as deluded was in a bunker in Berlin in 1945 - and we all know what happened then.
30

Pocket Dictionary,

07/06/2009 07:17:25
If they topple Brown there must be a GE. Labour are heading for 10 years + in the wilderness so it looks more like a 72 signature mass suicide pact.
31

the reporter,

godalming, Surrey 07/06/2009 07:45:32
Watching the press conference on Friday from Downing street, you only had to see the look of bisbelief on the journalists faces at some of the cabinet appointments, followed by the hostile questions about appointing retreads, hasbeens and unelected peers.Followed by Gordys rambling discourse about he is the best and only one for the job and only he can sort everything and sod any possible general election which the people really want.Perhaps he had been on the booze before the meeting ,certainly looked it.
32

TWC,

exLabour 07/06/2009 08:42:21
When the result comes Harriet Harpoon will say

"we need to listen to the voters"

She says the same thing after every poll but as we all know the Voters are saying

"Give us a general Election"
33

Boy Wonder,

07/06/2009 08:44:27
I've been voting for these guys
Their name is Labour
They've been in a right old mess
Since They ditched Old Tony
(this is what happened next)
They put in this Chancellor guy
For him to take over
But he has been no damn use
Can't control his ministers
So its the end for him I think
What's his name you ask me
Go-o-o-o-o-o-ordon I reply
Not THAT git you say in dismay
Yes but he's no Prime Minister I say - he's more of a useless to55er really

Here we go, two three four

Now don't get so upset that you're crying all the way to the chip shop
When you came out ... you could see Gordon standing at the bus stop
And guess who'll be with him
Yeah that's right! Mandy ... both fighting and blaming each other!
Oh, Mandy is cruel and heartless
To have it in for Gordan
Just cos he's better looking than him
Just cos he thinks he's cool and trendy

But we all know he's a moron, Gordon is a moron!
Gordon is a moron, Gordon is a moron!

rpt ad infinitum
34

Fitba Krazy,

07/06/2009 08:51:16
You would think these people were important.

They are just a bunch of overblown baastaards in it for themselves.
35

dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 08:51:34
38 TWC

“We need to listen to the voters” indeed.

However, we are not prepared to give the voters their voice, as they will undoubtedly say something that we do not want to hear.

Gordon is the only man for the job.
After all, he has told us this on a number of occasions and we believe every word he says.

Don’t we Mr Darling?
36

Pilrig,

Livingston 07/06/2009 08:58:38
12 - the same guy who raided pension funds ? Perhaps he should re-read Ragged-Troosered Philaanthropists ?
37

Fitba Krazy,

07/06/2009 09:00:22
And when there eventually is an election, it will be promise this promise that, oh yes we will be doing that not like those idiots. And then after the Election it will be, No you can't get that, no you can't do that, It's not in the country's interest to let you lot enjoy yourselves, we have to have another war, that's the best thing for us all as it will create jobs for the numpty class and that's what everyone really wants, jobs for numpties. Meanwhile the corrupt, greedy baastaard club will be coining it in, thousands here, millions there and so it will continue, time for another election etc. etc.

You know what. They are taking us all for mugs and yet they are just a bunch of scammy, pretentious lowlifes.
38

dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 09:08:06
43 Fitba Krazy


The main group of people who are being taken as mugs are those who do not vote and allow the Brown’s of this world free reign to wreak havoc.


Don’t blame me, I voted SNP!
39

brianmca3,

auld reekie 07/06/2009 09:09:31
#26
if flash was a scotsman,and she stated as you wrote
Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have fourteen hours to save the banks!
would his reply be "Nae problem darling!,its a doddle"
but in broons case,he may have said to darling
"Thats another fine mess you have landed us all in"
anyway hes "Dead man walking"
40

brianmca3,

auld reekie 07/06/2009 09:12:50
#44
or as in the council by elections,local extras fom mr jacksons "Thriller" video,laid down the buckie in enough numbers to return new numpties
slimy grey is quoted as saying "Its a slap in the face for salmond!",nah just inbreds voting the only way what feeble braincells are left tell em to vote
41

Andrah,

Embrugh 07/06/2009 09:14:45
#32 I fully agree, but watch BBC Pravda pull out all the stops to support him with distortion, omission and spin.

Yesterday the BBC Today R4 web page had "Gordon Brown is seen as a towering figure". BBC bias is so endemic it just cannot face the fact that it's Great Leader is riding on into Death Valley.
42

Fitba Krazy,

07/06/2009 09:17:57
44
dunedin bully wee 1877

"Don't blame me, I voted SNP!"

So did I. I am talking about the revolting Labour Party and I can only hope that the SNP do not morph into anything like that bunch of hypocrites and warmongering sell-out merchants who turn a blind eye to all the kerrapp as they line their pockets, feather their own nests and take their orders from third parties who bribe them with the money they have stolen from us through their scammy schemes while people are being shafted right, left and centre by thieving liars who are immune to prosecution.
43

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 09:37:38
Happy Birthday Traquir!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8086514.stm
44

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 09:45:57
#29 Sonare

I noticed all your numbers and wondered what pactical use they could be put to and was stumped but they gave me an idea to make another comparison.

In 1962 my parents bought a brand new semi detached 2 bed + box, Living/Diningroom house in the style made by all housebuilders to this day, I know this because the paperwork was in a box full of the sort of stuff you don't throw away although you know it is or will soon become a pile of useless junk.

Price 1962 = £1,5000

Guestimate value 2009 = £150,000

Or 5 x salary for guy on £30,000 pa.
Or 15x salary for someone on minimum wage.

I have no Idea what the equivalent pay in 1962 was but I am fairly confident that it was more than £300pa aka Six quid per week and there was no minimum wage but if their was could it have been 1 shilling per hour ie the price of a bottle of Irn Bru?..£1 in todays money.

My point being the increase in house prices is not down to inflation but a deliberate robbery committed on us by the bankers etc and one we will be paying for in perpetuity.

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dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 09:46:07
46 brianmca3

I am aware of the point you are making, however with a turnout of around 26% in Drumchapel/Anniesland I am more inclined to point the finger at the 74% who declined to cast a vote and therefore found themselves being represented by the individual who was returned.

I think that with a turnout of that level, we have got to re-examine our electoral tactics and our attempts to galvanise our underlying support to actually come out and vote for us (SNP).

I fear that with all recent opinion polls showing increasing support for the party, that we may be slipping into a period of complacency and torpor.
When have yet to reach our objective and a lot of hard work has still to be undertaken before we get there.

Remember, we have the whole ambit of the Unionist establishment and controlled media against us, and I think that we will need to step up our game to go that further step.

I firmly believe that we have what it takes to achieve our objectives, but let us not underestimate the size of the task which still confronts us.

Saor Alba!
46

Phil C,

07/06/2009 09:49:34
Can we all just leave Brown to his mad mutterings! He is a spent force in a spent government.

In any democratic context, the current situation demands an early election. Labour look like certainties for a thrashing, but the country needs a clean slate to tidy up it's parliament and it's government. Will this happen?..

Of course not. To the detriment of us all, including rabid Labourites, Labour are disgracefully playing for time. Trying to hang on for as long as possible, to delay any general election. They'll eventually put us all through an irrelevant leadership contest, hang on a bit longer and get trounced even more heavily that they would now.

Meanwhile we are powerless to stop this selfish charade. Wrong, immoral and wasteful.
47

FTH22inarow,

07/06/2009 09:56:14
oh sheite a fascist right wing extreemist Tory government on the way, Scotland must gain Independence now
48

Fitba Krazy,

07/06/2009 10:09:04
54, dunedin bully wee 1877

You are correct about all that.

The problem in these places is that many take the tabloid red top garbage as gospel and we know they blow up any tiny wee thing they can find about the SNP out of all proportion to that which the Labour and Tory unionist parties are doing which is generally ignored by these rags who are beneath contempt for their twisted approach and anti-Scottish bilge.

Apathy sets in because of these and other circumstances. The anti-Scottish media and the BBC are out to prevent Scotland flourishing and to deny us from running our own Country. You have to wonder why would that be? Well they are not Scottish for a start and employ brainwashed robots, by the look of it, who are too feart to go against the anti-Scottish propaganda and indeed are so thick they add to it.
49

Ewan Randall,

07/06/2009 10:24:16
Did you know that the union was all but over after the American war of independence too?
50

brianmca3,

auld reekie 07/06/2009 10:37:39
#54#57
how many labour councilors have been booted out of labour in edinburgh
i remember one eejit,councilor woods,yes that wee moustached hitler,he was on my bus (last one home)and a drunk was singing ,not loudly or offensive he the wee napolean told him to shut up and not to bother driver
driver told him to shut up lol
i remember his house emblazoned with vote labour
i still put a vote snp through his door
his wee twitching face appeared at the windae like a shorter version of paw broon
labour know every dirty trick going to keep themselves in power,having seen it first hand,ie car tyre slashing,getting local neds to throw stones etc,then deny it when caught
these are the threat to democracy in scotland
let us be rid of them now
51

Fitba Krazy,

07/06/2009 10:37:49
58 Ewan Randall.

Do you know that the Scottish People were not given any say in the matter. It was enforced by brutality and maintained relentlessly and now they want the rest of the oil, our water and to foist nuclear power stations that we don't require onto us for their consumption and to dump the nuclear garbage up here out the way.

All the nuke submarines which are nearing the end of their working life are to be foisted onto us and made out as a good thing as it will bring jobs (for numpties) to Scotland.

They will remain here thereafter as they will be too dangerous to move and anyway Scotland is part of the UK and is the most suitable place to dump them, according to the Westminster gov. Any bets?

We do need Independence now.
52

Fitba Krazy,

07/06/2009 10:45:46
brianmca3 Auld Reekie,

I don't know how many Labour councillors were booted out of Labour in Edinburgh.

"labour know every dirty trick going to keep themselves in power"

And we know they know every dirty trick to keep themselves at the trough.
53

brianmca3,

auld reekie 07/06/2009 10:50:23
its stated they want to give or recomend that oil revenue be give to scotland
such generosity from brown and co,shows no bounds
they want to give scotland money from the north sea oil
why now?hmmm could it be that polls show scots are going to punt labours butt oot ra windae so to speek
this is piecemeal,they must think at westminster ,that scots are like red indians,give them firewater and we can take that nasty black sticky stuff coming out the sea
Brown "Go Boil Yer Heid"
54

Media at One,

07/06/2009 11:01:26
Oil is such an over used response to questions, issues and conversations surrounding Britain. Funny how the 620 years prior to the discovery of oil it was good to take from the union. Smacks of greed and one dimensional thinking for me - As if oil is enough to sustain the Scottish economy for the next 200 years and beyond.
But ye reap what you sow and nobody should stand in the way of the Scottish people and their quest for independence. Let the Scots decide their destiny and if it works out then fantastic, if it does'nt then the world can offer them the same aide they have been receiving from the union for 700 years.
I often wonder what drives a person to be a nationalist and then I remember William Wallace and Braveheart, the Whas Like Us table clothes and the Flower of Scotland chant of sending thaim hame tae think again. It stirs the emotions people begin to think with their hearts as opposed to their heads.
55

The ex Pat,

07/06/2009 11:07:55
If Brown was a sick dog you'd shoot it.

Load - Take aim - FIRE!
56

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 07/06/2009 11:13:27
This is the PM so enthralled with his own survival and image that he made the Freudian slip about "Obama Beach" instead of Omaha. The same PM who flipped his own properties and got his expenses wrong. The same pillar of rectitude who is closing his ears and singing "la la la, I can't hear you" to the voters and his own ministers and backbenchers.

The plain fact is that he can now with certain amount of indignity or he can hang on and display himself falling apart at the seams and the country with it even more than it is now. Why does he think people returned zero Labour councils in England? Why does he think that Labour are to crash ingloriously in the European elections? As one disillusioned Labour voter was heard to say yesterday - he's doing nothing for the working man. I can't bear to watch him on television.

I can't blame the man for voicing his disapproval at the way Brown and Government have disconnected themselves from the electorate and our real concerns. And even further disconnection if it were possible by appointing the soon-to-be "Lord Sugar" and elevating the European trough-guzzler Gleny Kinnock! Laugh - you couldn't make it up, but the percentage of peers in his government is at the highest level ever. Shows the quality of those elected or more likely they don't fit into his little gang.
57

dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 11:23:02
64 Media at One,

You canny be for real!

“Funny how the 620 years prior to the discovery of oil it was good to take from the union”

“Let the Scots decide their destiny and if it works out then fantastic, if it does'nt then the world can offer them the same aide they have been receiving from the union for 700 years”

Which “Union” did you have in mind?
58

Mèths,

07/06/2009 11:26:28
danielrober

Sorry to read about your problems. Hope it works out.
59

W Smith,

Middle East 07/06/2009 11:28:20
Another scandal.

A bit more tricky for the SNP though considering Moira Salmonds gold plated pension.

TAXPAYERS FUND 34,000 PENISON POT MILLIONAIRES

"Almost 400 retired staff from Glasgow City Council and 223 from Kent county council also have pension pots worth 1 million pounds or more".

"..John Smith who heads BBC Worldwide, the corporation's commercial arm, has accumulated a 3.1 million pound pension pot after 18 years service."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6446275.ece

So how many of those 400 retired staff from Glasgow city council are goody two shoes socialists.

Professor John Curtice will be along soon saying things like "we don't expect socialists to behave like this."

BTW
Its unlikely Salmond will even mention this as he is in with the bricks as far as cushy Public Sector salaries and pensions go.
60

WL,

Livingston 07/06/2009 11:29:58
If those Labour Peasants want to have a revolt, let them have it. No one cares about those Peasants anyway.
61

Media at One,

07/06/2009 11:33:11
dunedin

Visit any history book you like or listen to any Scottish historian and they will tell you that Scotland has benefited hugely from the union.
That is not to say that the historian will advise us to remain in the union, it is just to truthfully express the reality of Scotland's existence within the union over the last 700 years.
62

Herry Oaksters,

07/06/2009 11:33:37
Slime ball Mandleson on the AM show," The whole cabinet is united against Gordon Brown".
Ha ha ha ha you coudny make this up.
63

Stan Butler,

07/06/2009 11:39:37

The Labour Government and the new Celtic manager, I'm not sure which story has had more uninformed speculation masquerading as fact written about it.

64

common sense voice,

07/06/2009 11:45:14
it's about time someone programmed a computer to be a government..... no favouritism, mistakes, dishonesty, just logic..
65

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 11:45:49
47
Andrah

"Yesterday the BBC Today R4 web page had "Gordon Brown is seen as a towering figure"."

If you had been paying attention you would have noticed that the "towering figure" bit was in quotes. The words were Peter Hain's, not the BBC's.
66

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07/06/2009 11:46:52
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
67

Pagan,

Fife 07/06/2009 11:53:27
"Sir Alan Sugar". What a sad state this country has been brought to when the only response to a crisis in government is to turn the cabinet into a reality game show for the masses. I seriously think Broons mental health is suspect, he is suffering from extreme delusions as to his capabilities, he should have gone along time ago.
His place in history is most assuredly secure as is William McGonagalls but Broon is definitely not a subject of humour for the British public at least. I am sure everyone else in the whole world is having a good laugh at how we are lumbered with an unelected incompetent as our leader.
"A man's got to know his limitations " as Dirty Harry said, pity Broon doesn't realise his.
68

The Strategist,

07/06/2009 11:55:54
Another Union dividend...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8086899.stm
69

frank mcbride,

lusitania 07/06/2009 11:56:26
#64 & 71, Media at One.

You are a Hootsman Troll.

The absurdities stated in these comments prove it.

Ignore this Troll; it is an advertising plant.

I wonder how long this comment will stay live!!!
70

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 11:57:36
64
Media at One

"Funny how the 620 years prior to the discovery of oil it was good to take from the union."

While you dwell on the distant past, the rest of us are looking to Scotland's future. You can catch up and join us. Or you can continue to be increasingly irrelevant to that future.
71

Media at One,

07/06/2009 12:02:33
Electric
I am right up to date, I believe today is the 7th of June 2009 and Scotland is part of the British Union.
Yep, right up to date thank you and looking forward to the future and my British status.
72

Media at One,

07/06/2009 12:04:49
frank mcbride

If I am not correct in my assesment you can always challenge me. But to simply ask that reasonable comments be removed on the basis that it does not sit well with your visions is a little dictatorial.
Are you perhaps preparing for a Socialist Scotland?
73

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07/06/2009 12:06:29
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
74

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:07:15
71
Media at One

"...Scotland has benefited hugely from the union."

Of course Scotland has progressed in the last 300 years. So has every other nation. The deeper question is whether the union was essential to this progress, or even contributed to it.

There is no reason to suppose Scotland would have been any worse off without the union. And as far as more recent history is concerned, we would certainly have been better off by any measure you care to choose.
75

Jason Scorne,

07/06/2009 12:10:05
The Downfall of Brown

An unstoppable mass of angry voters and jeering veterans have finally burst through the gates of Downing Street. Police and television crews flee in terror.

In the cellars of Number Ten, a grim-faced Harriet Harmon hands out cyanide capsules to young party workers. David Milliband glances around nervously while he types an email to David Cameron. The sounds of shovelling can be heard from next door as Alistair Darling frantically digs a tunnel.

Gordon Brown shuffles along the line of remaining cabinet ministers, mumbling his goodbyes. With a final twitch of the jaw, he shuts the study door behind him.

A gunshot echoes through the cellar. The cabinet ministers exchange glances. Sarah Brown appears in the study doorway, her face deathly pale. Propaganda Minister Mandelson picks up his jerrycan of petrol and strides towards her.

“No,” she cries, “he’s only managed to shoot himself in the foot!”
76

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:10:34
71
Media at One

"...Scotland's existence within the union over the last 700 years."

The union itself has not existed for 700 years. Drivel like this indicates the true worth of your "historical analysis".
77

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:16:15
81
Media at One

"I am right up to date, I believe today is the 7th of June 2009..."

But according to you the union is 700 years old. Which would make this the 7th of June 2407.

You are, of course, an idiot.
78

Mèths,

07/06/2009 12:17:04
Media at one

"Funny how the 620 years prior to the discovery of oil it was good to take from the union"

That would be around the year 1350?

What union was that? Seems a tad early no?
79

Media at One,

07/06/2009 12:17:51
Electric Helment

Utter nonsense - You pull these comments out of mid air because you cannot bear to think otherwise. Scotland IS part of the union and has been for 700 years. Scotland today is an affluent nation, the quality of life is good and modernisation is all around us. We as Scots have done an awesome job in trasforming our country into one of the most welcoming holiday destinations in the world, our castles, museums, statues, churches and cities are a shining example of our rich history and our very wealthy present state. We have achieved all our glory within the union and that is that, anything else is just speculation.
Get a hold of yourself and embrace your Scottishness, be proud of being Scottish, be vocal about being Scottish, be happy about being Scottish and accept that being Scottish is part of being British.
80

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:18:43
82
Media at One

"But to simply ask that reasonable comments be removed..."

Learn to read, FFS! Nobody asked for your inane comments to be removed. Although it might save you some embarrassment if they were.
81

Mèths,

07/06/2009 12:19:53
1350 was when the Black Death was rampant.
.... and now we have the death of Brown.
82

Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 12:20:28
Hey Media - was 1707 700 years ago ?
83

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:20:59
89
Media at On

"Electric Helment"

You can't spell...

"Scotland IS part of the union and has been for 700 years."

...and you can't count.

You are,of course, an idiot.
84

Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 12:22:10
Media - even 1603 wasn't 700 years ago.
85

Vivas,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 12:22:33
Slightly off-topic question, but does anyone know...

...are the Euro votes already counted and the results are just made public after 10PM tonight ?

...or have they still to be counted and we don't find out till the wee hours ?

Appreciated folks ...
86

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:24:21
95
Vivas

"...are the Euro votes already counted and the results are just made public after 10PM tonight ?"

UK votes are already counted. No results can be announced until the last poll is completed.

87

Media at One,

07/06/2009 12:24:56
Meths -
I am once again thinking so far back I could be mistaken for being a nationalist, the 700 years is of course William Wallace and not the 1707 agreement.
But I can be excused, after all, the nationalist bases his or her reasoning for independence on the 700 year old wars that they STILL sing about in their nationalist drivel anthem known as Flower of Scotland.
Nevertheless, as we have proved, oil is a recent find and Scotland is today STILL part of the union - and that makes me exceptionally happy! How dare you or anyone else try and remove my BRITISH status. You will never succeed, not ever - Scottish and British till I die.
88

Mèths,

07/06/2009 12:25:05
Media at one

"Scotland IS part of the union and has been for 700 years."

For goodness sake Media. 700 years ago was 1309. Check your history books before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
89

Jason Scorne,

07/06/2009 12:25:14
Latest cabinet news:

Following the publicly-well-received appointment of Sir Alan Sugar as Minister for Window Dressing, Robert Mugabe is to take over at the Department of Agriculture and Kim Jong-Il will have a dual role introducing ID cards and replacing Trident.
90

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:26:53
94
Observer

"Media - even 1603 wasn't 700 years ago."

The to$$er has already been told several times, but still insists the union is 700 years old. And this evident idiot presumes to lecture the rest of us on Scotland's history. What a clown!
91

Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 12:27:51
97 How on earth can you associate William Wallace with the Union ? What planet are you posting from ? I suppose Robert the Bruce was a unionist too was he ?
92

Mèths,

07/06/2009 12:27:52
Media

Glad you've got yer abacus to work. Regarding "How dare you or anyone else try and remove my BRITISH status."

Eh? I have never said anything of the kind. Stop posting lies.

(I may try for the post at 13:09)
93

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:29:29
99
Jason Scorne

I may be guilty of over-analysing, but I sense you are not taking this seriously.
94

Media at One,

07/06/2009 12:33:41
Observer

No of course William Wallace has little to do with the union - However, the NATIONALIST embraces Wallace and his fight against the evil English and they belt out "and sent thaim homeward tae think again" hahahahahaha
A 700 YEAR OLD WAR and you lot are still singing about it and chanting it out like an anti English warcry - hahahahahaa
95

Mèths,

07/06/2009 12:37:05
EU election

"Complete results may not be available until midday Monday in the case of Scotland and possibly Northern Ireland."
96

Mèths,

07/06/2009 12:37:22
Possibly a postal ballot thing.
97

Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 12:38:22
Are you perhaps thinking about the Declaration of Arbroath Media ? That was in 1320 so you are in the right Century, and it is a very impoprtant constitutional document.

But it's not a unionist document - quite the opposite. Perhaps you want to do a bit more research before posting drivel.
98

Mèths,

07/06/2009 12:38:23
104 Media

Poor attempt at excusing your poor grasp of both arithmetic & history.
99

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:41:30
CORRECTION

47
Andrah

"Yesterday the BBC Today R4 web page had "Gordon Brown is seen as a towering figure"."

At post #75 I stated that the "towering figure" quote was from Peter Hain. This is incorrect. Although Hain has in the past described Brown in such ludicrous terms, on this occasion it was Tony Wright, Labour MP for Cannock Chase who was making a fool of himself.

The main point stands, however. Andrah's accusations of "BBC bias" are shown to have no basis in fact.
100

Media at One,

07/06/2009 12:42:12
1307, 1707 who cares? 2009 = Union
And that is really all that matters.
101

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:43:58
104
Media at One

Squirming like a worm.
102

Jason Scorne,

07/06/2009 12:44:20
103
Electric Hermit

As seriously as the voters of St. Ives in Cambridgeshire:
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_home/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=423173
103

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:46:08
110
Media at One

"1307, 1707 who cares?"

You cared enough to post your drivel.
104

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:48:49
112
Jason Scorne

"As seriously as the voters of St. Ives in Cambridgeshire"

Ouch!
105

frank mcbride,

lusitania 07/06/2009 12:48:54
Hi again everyone.

As I said earlier, Media at One is a Hootsman Troll.

He has been easonably effective, so far, as since I posted he has earned it about £10.

Remember, anything goes to raise the advertising revenue.
106

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 12:50:11
This 1307 Union couldn't have been very popular...hardly anyone has heard of it and it couldn't have lasted much longer than the length of time it took the ink to dry.

Media at One...do you know any good songs about it?
107

Media at One,

07/06/2009 12:50:52
No Squirming needed.
The only time I squirm is when I hear that nauseating FLOWER of SCOTLAND and it's reference to a 700 year old war that fills the nationalist with pride and his daily dose of Anti Englishness..
Funny how some Scots are always upset by the mention of 1966, most of them suggesting that it was too long ago to remember.
Funny that, you would think that a 700 year old war would be forgotten about. But no!
108

Mèths,

07/06/2009 12:51:54
110

More spins than a whirling dervish. If you had posted your drivel about our 700 year old union once, then that could have been excused as an error. You of course repeated it. I firmly believe you did indeed believe the union was that old.

Glad you've now been corrected. Here's a book for you.

tinyurl.com/oo2u2a
109

Reality Cheque,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 12:52:31
No one did more than Tony Blair to corrupt British public life - and no one will have done more than Gordon Brown to further Scottish independence.

If Brown/Labour remain in power, I strongly suspect there will be a huge "yes" vote in the SNP's referendum next year.

I am not a nationalist (I am not even Scottish), but I love this country and will be very happy when its people are in charge of their own destiny.
110

Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 12:55:03
117 Media stop digging a hole for yourself you are nearly in Australia. Now would be a suitable time for a graceful retreat.
111

Media at One,

07/06/2009 12:55:32
Scottish = British - and if you dont believe me go and check your passport and remember it will be like that forever.
112

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:55:50
117
Media at One

Still squirming.

You might have saved a modicum of whatever it is that you have instead of dignity if only you had admitted your stupid mistake straight away. But it seems that you prefer to compound your foolishness with yet more drivel.

Even among the pathetic ranks of amateur unionist propagandists you are an abysmal failure.
113

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 12:58:06
122
Media at One

"...and remember it will be like that forever."

Is that more than 700 years?
114

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 12:58:06
Lord Toby Jug had better watch out, if he is not careful...He could be co-opted into the Cabinet to form a Government of National Lunacy.
115

Media at One,

07/06/2009 12:58:32
Observer

No hole needed Sir -
The bottom line as we agree, is that Scotland is part of the Union.
Until that changes, you dance to my British tune and not the other way around.
Now that is settled, how do you feel about Brown? Do you think he has been unfairly treated? Should he resign or should he fight on?
116

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 13:00:25
127
Media at One

Still squirming!

Almost as pathetically comical as Gordon Brown.
117

Media at One,

07/06/2009 13:01:58
Electric Helmet - Yawn!
700 years! I believe that is the length of time that the Nationalists have hated England. In fact I think the song they sing "flower of Scotland" makes reference to some 700 year old war that still fills them with pain.
They listen to the closing scene of Braveheart, wipe their eyes with their WHAS LIKE US tea towel and pledge their allegiance to Alex Salmond and his march on London. hahahahahahah!
118

Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 13:02:27
127 The 302 year old union is relatively recent in Scotland's history Media. I'm glad you've got that straight now.

My view on Brown is that he is bonkers and should be sectioned. That is however unlikely to happen.
119

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 13:05:34
127
Media at One

"Should he resign or should he fight on?"

He should probably go. After all, he has been PM since June 2007. By your calculation that would be nearly five years.
120

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 13:06:53
129
Media at On

Look folks! It can squirm and dig at the same time!
121

Mèths,

07/06/2009 13:08:00
Media at One

"...and remember it will be like that forever."

Our very own Zaegar and Evans.
122

Mèths,

07/06/2009 13:09:56
Media

Once posters give us the old hahahahahahahaha to back up a post, it's time to call in the men with the white suits.

13:09 yet?
123

Media at One,

07/06/2009 13:10:14
Berero

It is not my union to lose. It is my union to enjoy!
If one day the people of Scotland go to the polls and vote for indepedence then that will be my Scotland to enjoy. If it turns out that the country is in a mess as a result of independence then I take it on the chin and leave for pastures new.
124

Mèths,

07/06/2009 13:10:56
Yep - I got media's 13:09. Off for lunch. Back soon (give or take a few years)
125

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 13:11:17
129
Media at One

"...I think the song they sing "flower of Scotland" makes reference to some 700 year old war..."

It's a song, sad case! Get over it!
126

Media at One,

07/06/2009 13:12:58
Meths

But you need to laugh.
The nationalist Scot is quite funny, even you must admit that?
The song about sending them home to think again, the big blue face with the white cross, the whas like us tea towel and the tendency to fall to their knees and bow each time they hear the name Salmond - If you cant laugh at that then you're dead because its commical
127

Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 13:14:24
135
Meths

Is he the bottom of a long glass tube?

128

Media at One,

07/06/2009 13:15:28
#140 Electric Helmet

Exactly, get over it - scrap the silly song and move on.
129

bluehead,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 13:15:35
it is not only brown who should go,although he has been responsible for terrible damage to this country,so has the rest of that lot for allowing it all to happen,
it has been obvious that brown's brain is no longer working at even a slow pace,at times it seems to have stopped altogether,the labour are well past their sell by date,and should be put out to grass,,

in simple terms the whole system needs changing,starting at ten downing street,then all the way down the line,
this labour goverment are the worst in British political history,enough is enough!!!!!
130

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 13:16:04
#135
Mèths

In the Year 2010

Independence is coming

We will get it by then......
131

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 13:23:23
141
Media at One

"The song about sending them home to think again..."

It's no worse than the stuff about crushing "rebellious Scots" that is part of the dirge you unionists like to drone while prostrating yourselves before graven images of Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
132

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 13:23:44
145
Media at One

The "silly song" you are going on an on about ,is at most the Nationalists second choice late 13th/early 14th century lullaby...by a considerable margin.
133

Willie Mor,

07/06/2009 13:23:56
To change the tack a little I must comment that what a bonnie picture of Gordy glad-handing it with world leaders at the Normandy commerorations.

Nothing like a wee international jolly to lift the mood, ergo Beijing, G20, whistlestop tours to faraway places, phoning Susan boyle et al.

Life must be awfy hard in the bunker these days and what a nice picture of our World Leader who single handedly ended boom and bust.

There now Gordy, don't believe all the bad things these rotten things people are saying about you. You'r the man!

134

Media at One,

07/06/2009 13:23:57
I can see you nationalists sitting at your made possible by the union computers.
Clad in kilts, with faces painted blue belting out the ridiculous flower of scotland.

PS: BEFORE I GO, tomorrow morning when you wake up, you do so in a SCOTLAND that dances to the tune of Britain. Sleep on that!
cya
135

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 13:25:40
147
The Col. of Monte Cristo

"In the Year 2010"

Is that according to the Media at One calendar? Or the calendar that sane people use?
136

Media at One,

07/06/2009 13:26:53
Electric Helmet

Before I go -
Rebellious Scots to crush - Let me know the last time that verse was sang in public and I will let you know the last time "sent them homeward tae think again" was sang in public.
Goodbye you sad little nationalist with the anti English chip on his shoulder.
137

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 13:28:58
148
Tam o' Shanter

"The ONLY Union that media can knowledgeably speak of is the "Union odf South Africa"."

You surprise me. On the basis of what we've seen here, I wouldn't have thought he could speak knowledgeably of anything.
138

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 13:31:00
#148
Tam o' Shanter

We should make the rendition of a seizable repertoire of Patriotic Songs a condition of citizenship...and send those who fail to cut the mustard...homeward tae think again.
139

European Scot,

07/06/2009 13:31:28
153 Media at One


" PS: BEFORE I GO, tomorrow morning when you wake up, you do so in a SCOTLAND that dances to the tune of Britain. Sleep on that!
cya."

Do continue posting your arrogant comments, apart from increasing the number of hits on here, they also encourage an increase in the level of support for Independence.
140

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 13:31:55
153
Media at One

"I can see you nationalists sitting at your made possible by the union computers.
Clad in kilts, with faces painted blue belting out the ridiculous flower of scotland."

Some adjustment to your medication should sort out these hallucinations.
141

Stephen Maturin,

, HMS Surprise at sea , 07/06/2009 13:37:12
Goodness gracious but that Meedja eejit can't have spout some drivel. Flower of Scotland can sound a bit dirge like if it's not sung well, but God Save the Queen NEVER sounds like anything else. People have been known to fall asleep while singing it STANDING UP!

As I go to my bed tonight I will sleep well and soundly in the knowledge that we are another day nearer independence and that it is fast approaching with every mis-step Gudrun Broon makes.

Saor Alba, Erin agus Catalonia.

P.S. Perhaps Meeja would prefer this song, which is my current favourite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t830PbrbMi8
142

Alan B,

07/06/2009 13:37:24
#Media

That an anti scottish verse is dropped from GSTQ does not make it acceptable as a British national anthem. OK for an english one.

I do not see FOS as anti english but about a major historical point in scottish history. A scottish history that is sanitised in our schools to promote the union. It ridiculous that our history is not taught warts and all but a political point of view pushed. When doing history in scottish education I was taught about the battle of hasting an english piece of history but no scottish pivotal wars. (ograde/higher history wars were ww1,ww2, russion revolution).

FOS also says that the wars were in the past and is an aspirational song regarding independence. It is probably not appropriate as a national anthem due to its politcal nature to independence and as such can be divisive. However its adoption came about for sporting events because of the widespread dislike of GSTQ and the associated booing of our own song.




143

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 13:38:34
156
Media at One

"Goodbye you sad little nationalist with the anti English chip on his shoulder."

That you associate my pragmatic nationalism with anything so abhorrent to me as xenophobia merely illustrates what a shallow-minded simpleton you are.

And I am far from sad. Independence is no more than a few short years away. By "short years" I mean, of course, the ones with the traditional twelve months. Not the 28-month years that you use.
144

Stephen Maturin,

, HMS Surprise at sea , 07/06/2009 13:43:26
Found a picture of Meeja praying for his sinking union.
http://tinyurl.com/rar3m3.

Saor Alba, Erin agus Catalonia!
145

Herry Oaksters,

07/06/2009 13:47:40
Media one .
Dafty.

There is no comparison of wanting to wipe out the Scottish race and to chasing a demented king back to his kingdom.

Class 1 Numpty.

146

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 13:48:00
163
Alan B

"FOS also says that the wars were in the past and is an aspirational song regarding independence."

Very good point. Mired in ignorance as he is, Media either does not know or cannot appreciate the meaning of the lines,

Those days are past now,
And in the past they must remain

It is a song which acknowledges the past, but does not cling to it. Aspirational indeed! Which is why it has such appeal for those who understand it.
147

Mèths,

07/06/2009 13:51:59
Media

"made possible by the union computers."

Eh? ZX80? ZX81? Spectrum? BBC computers?
148

Mèths,

07/06/2009 13:54:11
A Plutonian year is 248 Earth years.
149

Mèths,

07/06/2009 13:55:36
Media is gone - should be time for grahamski to sign in.
150

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 14:00:54
170
Mèths

"...should be time for grahamski to sign in."

Does he have sense enough to steer clear of this one, I wonder?
151

Stephen Maturin,

07/06/2009 14:07:25
Electric Helmet, "Does he have sense enough to steer clear of this one, I wonder?"

Does he have any sense at all?
152

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 14:12:25
172
Stephen Maturin

Maybe I need to find a username that is easier to spell.
153

disgusted with courts,

07/06/2009 15:10:46
More political smoke and mirrors, I am amazed at how quickly this has taken your mind off the thieving bunch of criminals, for that's what they are, using our money for their own comforts, and the ducks of course, while people are losing their homes and they are closing schools for monetary reasons.

Still waiting for the police to do something, H*** you and I would be in court and in jail by now,with ongoing investigations.

They have averted your attention.

154

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 15:34:18
174
disgusted with courts

"...and the ducks of course..."

How much of "our money" was spent on the comfort of ducks?
155

Fitba Krazy,

07/06/2009 15:38:14
173 Electric Hermit,

It's because you can actually get an electric helmet, for example, for welding with automatic darkening device and adjustable light lens that makes it an easy mistake to make. You can also get a Russian multi-helmet.

I imagine an electric hermit as someone with so many computers and other electrically powered gadgets like tvs dvds, games consoles, recording equipment, multimedia gadgets, automatic tracking telescopes etc. that he/she hardly ever gets out the door due to regularly having a shot of them all.

Is that you per chance?
156

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 15:44:12
177
Fitba Krazy

"I imagine an electric hermit as someone with so many computers and other electrically powered gadgets like tvs dvds, games consoles, recording equipment, multimedia gadgets, automatic tracking telescopes etc. that he/she hardly ever gets out the door due to regularly having a shot of them all."

I have numerous computers and other "gadgets". But this does not prevent me leaving the house. I just take a computer with me.
157

Media at One,

07/06/2009 15:46:44
Berero #161

Wrong, I like neither.
The Queen and her throne I find pointless in terms of the era in which we now live. Wee girls will pretend play that they are queens and they will place crowns on their head, but in time they grow up and come to terms with reality. It appears Elizabeth can't, but then again the Royal way is all she knows. Whilst it would be almost impossible for any of our ego's to allow us to live in this pretend world of pomp, it does not faze her because she knows little else. Personally I would ask them all to pack their bags and earn their own way in life as opposed to taking the highest dole cheque in the land.
Salmond - He at least has a purpose and has worked his way to where he is. On that basis he his head and shoulders above the queen. However, I find his approach to independence ill mannered. I would have thought that he would govern within the context of the union whilst pushing for a referendum on independence as opposed to openly deciding that the people of Scotland needed independence. I always prefer the leader who wishes the people decide, as opposed to the leader who just takes it upon himself to decide on behalf of the people.
158

Fitba Krazy,

07/06/2009 15:50:25
178
Electric Hermit,

It's just as well they've come down in size by a remarkable amount since the 60s or you would need a removal van to cart it around.

I remember having an original, early mobile phone and it was like going around with a brick in my pocket. Changed days, I just leave it in the house now.
159

Davie08,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 15:56:13
Media one 'leave for pastures new'? I thought you were in Cape Town anyway or is this your annual weekend in Stockbridge?
160

keystone,

Wisconsin USA 07/06/2009 16:10:06
When a party or country is led by a person who is a FOOL, a LIAR, a CHEAT, and a THIEF then that person will lead both the party, Labor, and the country, the UK, to destruction. That Fool, Liar, Cheat and Thief is Mr. Brown. But when the Fool, Liar, Cheat and Theif is tutored at the knee of an even BIGGER FOOL, LIAR, CHEAT AND THIEF, Mr. Blair, the disaster is compounded, and compounded greatly. Mr. Brown, and Mr. Blair prove without question that two WRONGS, or Fools, Liars, Cheats and Thiefs do not make a right.
161

Media at One,

07/06/2009 16:11:55
David 08

Make me leave -
Brave little boy sitting behind his father's computer dishing out orders he wishes he could make on a daily basis.
I think you may have me mistaken for a poster who I KNOW used to make you feel inadequate.
162

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 16:14:59
176
IndependentlyInclined

Just had a look at the English Democrats website. Looks like just another bunch of whingeing Englanders bleating about how hard done to they are. Perhaps if they expended less of their energies on complaining about what others have achieved and put more effort into achieving something themselves they might make some progress.

http://tiny.pl/3dgd

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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 16:19:56
179
Media at One

"I always prefer the leader who wishes the people decide, as opposed to the leader who just takes it upon himself to decide on behalf of the people."

You really are a profoundly ignorant, ill-informed oaf. The SNP has always planned to have a referendum. It will be held next year. And Salmond and his team are governing because that is what they were elected to do.
164

Media at One,

07/06/2009 16:21:22
Electric Helmet

Have you been to England lately? Perhaps a trip down there may fill you with awe. They have achieved plenty, look at their cities, their industry, their economy, their tourism figures and their sporting achievments.
Not much failure and plenty of success - Perhaps your problem is closer to home.
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Fitba Krazy,

07/06/2009 16:23:10
180
Media at One,

Are there two of you?

You appear to have gone from irrational, nonsense emitter to almost 100% rational. I say almost because I don't think the Queen can be bothered with all the pompous stuff, it's just, as you say, that she was born into it and makes the most of it all. Some of the stuff is archaic and from way before her time yet she seems a decent enough person who copes well enough with it, unlike some of her distant predecessors.

Also, regarding Alex Salmond, it is perhaps paradoxical to be called a leader if you let the people decide for you. Of course the people do not agree with each other as you, I and others have proven, so a leader has to persuade people that he/she is correct. There are some who don't bother with that formality of course. Still, I would prefer Scotland to run it's own affairs outwith Westminster and perhaps also outwith the E.U. due to the increasing megalomaniacal tendencies of some of it's proponents, and be a true Independent nation. The EU has become too dictatorial of late and has to be sorted out. The idea is fine but the corruption is not.
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 16:23:13
183 Deary me, if you had read my post correctly you would have noticed that I was asking a question in response to one of your earlier 'contributions'. Sadly it appears that you have passed over the event horizon of rationality.
167

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 16:27:18
187
Media at One

You have a knack of finding new ways of making a complete fool of yourself. Taking posts totally out of context seems to be your latest wheeze.
168

Phil C,

07/06/2009 16:31:37
Media at One. Are you the same irritating little oink who used to spout nonsense from Capetown and Stockbridge? You sound the same but now seem to support Celtic instead of Hearts!
169

Davie08,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 16:35:04
#186 Danielrober
Sorry to hear about your problem. It always seems to be the innocent parties that screwed in these situations. Hope it works out.
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Failed Secular,

07/06/2009 16:42:43
PhilC, 191

Media at one gets very confused.

A few weeks ago he claimed he was from Denmark and came here wanting to understand better the sectarianism issue that was affecting Scottish football.

I guess he's either an Alzheimers sufferer...or just your usual currantbun: truth averse.
171

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 07/06/2009 16:43:43
This so-called revolt is utter nonsense. It will never materialise. Fabricated by the media to make Brown look ever-so-tough when he faces them down on Monday. Real revolts require courage and conviction - sadly lacking in the Labour Party. All they can do is grumble in the shadows. They know they are doomed, and so, to hell with the country, let's hang on, stay at the trough as long as we can.

I hope that the Labour rank and file remember well the cowardice of Messers Johnson and Milliband when the leadership of the Labour party is finally contested (probably around July 2010). They do not deserve even consideration.

Brown is toast, but he knows he can (and will) hang on until June 2010. The Labour Party will spend at least a decade in the wilderness. The media will try and persuade scots to continue supporting Labour, in order to keep the SNP at bay. Interesting times ahead.
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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 16:53:18
194
Luigiana

"Real revolts require courage and conviction..."

Not against one as weakened as Brown.

"Brown is toast, but he knows he can (and will) hang on until June 2010."

There is absolutely no way the British Labour Party will go into an election with Brown as leader. They are in for a thrashing at the polls anyway. With Brown as he figurehead, that thrashing could turn into a complete wipe-out.

Signs are the election could be this Autumn rather than next year. The party will want a new leader firmly bedded in before then. Which means he/she has to be appointed now.

One way or another, Brown has to be out of No10 by the end of the month.
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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 17:31:51
197
Tam o' Shanter

"I am all in favour of contructive criticism of my country but I cannot thole, and will take NO lectures from ex-pats who have turned their backs (usually for mega-bucks) on those of us who stay here and try to make our country a better place."

I cannot claim to know anything of this individual's living arrangements. Nor would I wish to. What I do know that "constructive criticism" is sadly lacking in his(?) posts.

I have to admit that I find such unthinking devotion to any political entity puzzling and disturbing. Patriotism can be a a positive thing. But when taken to the extremes evinced by Media at One it takes on a distinctly ominous tone.
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 17:35:25
Media at one (Media 1)

"I think you may have me mistaken for a poster who I KNOW used to make you feel inadequate."

I've had a wee look at some Media 1 posts. It's yersel'!
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 17:35:36
200
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 07/06/2009 17:35:47
#195,

I hope you are right, EH. It would be great for the SNP if Labour were wiped out in England. However, Brown has done, and continues to do enormous damage to the country, so it is better for all of us if he goes this year rather than next.
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 17:39:45
Who said this last October?

"Salmond heads up a party that is essentially a freedom fighting movement. His support is fanatical and he knows how to stir their emotions by asking for the impossible. Scotland could be given 3 billion more than she deserves and Salmond could ask for four in the knowledge that his fanatical support will chant his name in the belief that their deity is right."
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 17:41:36
... or this last August?
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 07/06/2009 17:45:14
If any Labour supporters and potential rebels need cheering up following tonights expected devastating euro-results, I suggest that you check Neil Kinnock's famous fall on Brighton Beach in 1983 on YouTube. After the incredible appointment of Mrs Lady Kinnock to the cabinet yesterday, I decided to watch the fun again.

It starts off with the pompous, unelectable little git arm in arm with his wife, walking along Brighton Beach. He brags to accompanying reporters "Do you want a scoop, How about me walking on water?" and then heads for the beach. Five minutes later, misjudging the waves, he stumbles and is on his backside in the water, before jumping up and punching the air in embarrassment - caught on camera for all the world to see. Absolutely hilarious.

Even Gordon Brown will rise in your estimation (slightly) after watching the one and only Neil Kinnock in action. The guy is a complete fool.
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 17:47:48
...and here's the famous hahahahaha again from Media 1

(no relation of course to Media at one.)

211 Media 1,cape town 01/10/2008 14:23:32

Alex Salmond (the little dog) hahahahahaha!
He really is a desperate little man with a chip on his shoulder the size of England.......LMAO
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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 17:48:23
202
Mèths

"Who said this last October?"

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/politics/Salmond-takes--1bn-demand.4583429.jp
165
Media 1

I just hope the fool wiped his chin after slavering such a load of excrement.

cape town 12/10/2008 17:20:22
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Iainbroch,

07/06/2009 17:50:05
Re24
I expect that business of attacking the SNP and the Holyrood parliament as usual will be restored shortly. When Broonie has been replaced by someone more to this rags liking?
It might have escaped the attention of your tiny Unionist brain cell that not all comments here are anti Labour; whether or not this rag gets their desire for a new save the Union leader granted I am certain that they will go back to attacking the SNP and Salmond. Or worse the Scots and Scotland in general!
You also assume much in your own delusions that everyone who attacks the Labour Party and the Union is an SNP supporter! There are those of us who feel that we might have to counter on a daily basis what are Unionist dissembling, disingenuousness and lies.
I do also notice a certain lack of humour and a total lack of any sense of irony from the disciples of the man who single handed saved the world!

Re64
Receiving benefits from the Union for 700 years? Is that Unionist accounting at work? Or have you been reading some very strange history texts written Lord knows where? – I would not expect such a gross error from a primary school child! You have a mental age of 3 perhaps? Learning difficulties perhaps? Try one of the Murdoch comics or the Daily Redundant – they might be more suitable reading for you?

Re74
Might have a problem with that as most of the Computer related contracts handed out by this Labour govt have eventually collapsed in farce and at huge cost to us! It does not auger well for govt by Computer!

Re97
No you can’t be excused, you must attend to your history lessons and learn the facts first – you know the ones about dates and stuff! Even if it should be disturbing for you to read. Oh dear not all historians agree with the pap that you have thus far been subjected to. No you can’t be excused you are just not applying yourself! Go to the back of the class now!
Re107
No he is not confusing anything – the poor boy? He has utterly lost it – men in white co
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 17:50:14
Forgot to posts the August one, but 205 was better.

For more of Media at one (Media 1) last October see:-

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Guarantee-all-savings--Salmond.4544165.jp
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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 17:51:19
Sorry!

My last post got a bit minced. I think most of you will be able to make sense of it.
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Iainbroch,

07/06/2009 17:51:42
Re107
No he is not confusing anything – the poor boy? He has utterly lost it – men in white coats time! I think he has not been taking his medication but perhaps the necessary drugs are not available in South Africa? I suspect also that he has imaginary conversations with Cecil Rhodes!
187

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 17:53:11
208
Mèths

"For more of Media at one..."

Can I please have the eye-ball skewering option instead.
188

Noxious,

07/06/2009 17:58:20
Not content with being our unelected prime minister, Broon now has 6 unelected representatives in his cabinet! What a farce. Hope he survives though - the longer he remains (nominally) in charge, the more damage will be done to New Labour and the greater the wipeout at the next elections on both sides of the border.
189

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07/06/2009 18:04:58
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 18:15:25
Skewered eyeball is it?

tinyurl.com/qyek7o
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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 18:16:18
213
TM the voice of freedom

When is the mother-ship coming back for you?
192

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 18:17:07
214
Mèths

A little too literal, perhaps.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 18:28:40
213 I thought Media at One with his missing 400 years was the comic turn today, but you are in the running now for sure.

''With a political genius such as Mandleson behind him''........
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Jason Scorne,

07/06/2009 18:31:13
In addition to the charmless Sir Alan and the former EU Kommisar for Pigmeat Pastries, Brown has also annointed Glenys Kinnock. As an MEP, she was so grasping in her pursuit of expenses that she would make Cherie Blair blush.

These are the calibre of people who are supposed to clean up politics and restore voters' trust.

Brown's new cabinet? The Emperor's New Clothes more like...
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 18:39:32
217 Observer,,

I could not be bothered responding to the “Media at One” balloon after he informed me that “many history books” contained details of the 700 year old “union”.

However I notice he now has been replaced with someone called “TM the voice of freedom”.

Are they on and the same person, or is there really two such clowns out there?
196

Mèths,

07/06/2009 18:42:02
I think TM is a wind-up.
197

curiouser and curiouser,

07/06/2009 18:45:24
213
"He's weeded out the backstabbers"

He missed the treacherous Lord Mandelson
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 18:57:35
I think TM is a Labour activist - that is the script that they are singing from. Brown has now got the Cabinet he wanted all the time (denuded of Blairites) and is rescuing the economy (again).

Organised insanity - as opposed to Media One's disorganised insanity.

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Noxious,

07/06/2009 19:01:31
#222

You forget to mention that Brown is "getting on with the job".
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Media at One,

07/06/2009 19:03:36
Meths

Of all the Media at One stalkers that cut, copy and past, read, re-read, learn, study and hurriedly scurry through the archives, you are without doubt the most consistent.
It is official and I will say it now that you are my favourite fan. No need to try and outdo the other Media at One fanbase, learners, readers and followers, you win the prize of the most dedicated follower of Media at One.
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 19:08:08
224
Mao
I think fan is not...quite the word.
Still in Stockbridge for some of the year?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 19:08:32
223 Aye he's been getting on with the job a lot recently hasn't he, you have to wonder how many jobs he's got, and why he seems so ineffective at all of them.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 19:12:04
224 Err what exactly do you think anyone could ''learn'' from you ? Or ''study'' ? Not history, obviously as you don't seem to know any. What are your other talents then ? The hidden ones ?
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Media at One,

07/06/2009 19:12:33
Conan

You don't think fan?
More like stalker?
Whatever it is, he is certainly the most dedicated follower of all things Media at One -
If I started selling scarves tomorrow he would buy the lot so that nobody could wear them. He HAS become that involved in the world of Media at One
205

Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 19:16:42
228
Mao, do you still spend some of the year in Stockbridge?
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Media at One,

07/06/2009 19:18:14
Observer

Your not in as deep as Meths, you can still keep your distance from Media at One, although you will always engage in conversation with me.
What can any of us learn from the Scotsman blogging pages? Nothing really!
There have been a million pages on independence, but its all for nothing because in the end the people of Scotland will decide the nations future at the ballot box.
Have you stopped to consider the SNP's future if for some reason, the people vote against independence? What would happen to the SNP? Would they still chant independence even though the nation had spoken?
I wonder.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 19:18:32
What is it about these threads that they appear to attract real weirdos like Media, Rufus, Stan Butler and Grahamski?
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 19:20:14
Media at one

"Of all the Media at One stalkers that cut, copy and paste etc ........"

Watch that ego mate. I save nothing from these threads. I can usually tell who has changed their name by the style, grammar, spelling and content. It was obvious from the word go it was you (that and the clever way of changing "1" to "at one".

When you mentioned in an earlier post you were not he I did a quick 20 second search and up you came. I stalk no-one (well maybe kimba when she comes on in various guises).

For 20 second search you paste the following into your google box (or whatever you use)

site:scotsman.com "media 1"

Actually it's nearer 10 seconds.
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 19:23:15
Looking for posters from yesteryear?

site:scotsman.com "The Maltese Falcon"

As I said - posters from yesteryear and all in a few seconds.

ps to Media. If you'd rather I didn't respond to your posts, tell me now and I'll ignore them - honest.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 19:28:27
230 I'm not a member of the SNP Media. I support independence but I'm not party political.

I think independence is now inevitable. It's not a question of if - it's a question of when.
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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 19:29:29
233
Mèths

"...tell me now and I'll ignore them..."

Good idea.
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Media at One,

07/06/2009 19:30:36
Meths

You are free to comment on any post - I believe in COMPLETE free speech, no barriers no PC.
So please respond if you so wish.
I am probably the most well known poster on these threads. To be honest I find it quite amusing. I get posts from people I honestly cannot remember or even recognise who appear to know my entire posting history.
It is odd to say the least but hey, some people need that sort of sh!t.
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Iainbroch,

07/06/2009 19:30:38
re156

Draadtrekker, How do you like this song?

On a mountain in the night
We lie in the dark and wait
In the mud and the blood
As rain and clings to me
And my house and my farm were burnt to the ground so they could capture us
But those flames and those fires now burns deep deep within me.De La Rey, De La Rey, can you come and lead the Boers?
De La Rey, De La Rey General, General we will fall around you as one.
General De La Rey
The Khakis [The British] that laugh
A handful of us against a massive force.
With our backs to the cliffs of the mountains
They think its over for us.
But the heart of a farmer is deeper and wider, they will come to see
On a horse he comes, the lion of West Transvaal.
De La Rey, De La Rey can you come and lead the Boers?
De La Rey, De La Rey. General,General we will fall around you as one.
General De La Rey.
Because my wife and my child are in a camp dying,
And the Khakis are walking over a nation that will rise again.De La Rey, De La Rey can you come and lead the Boers?
De La Rey, De La Rey General, General we will fall around you as one.
General De La Rey.

BY BOK VAN BLERK

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Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 19:31:50
233
Ah, the old days Meths, when we had advanced punctuation for good.
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 19:34:10
238 Conan

I got your "thanks" the other day. Were they out of date?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 19:35:30
#213 TM the voice of freedom - "The real people (the majority) of Britain will stick by Gordon Brown, and our PM is showing incredible backbone and resilience in the face of incredible adversity whipped up by the right wing press."

The Bookies were offering 11-8 against Labour exceeding 20% at the Euro's.

And Broon was on the telly half an hour ago decreeing that he was staying on as PM because the British People would never forgive Labour, if they ran away from them in their hour of need.

Since when was calling an election "running away from the people"?

He is insane and his speech writer thinks our heads button up at the back.
217

Mèths,

07/06/2009 19:36:02
I've just been re-living a few good-old-days posts.
Maltese Falcon, Bangonthedoor etc. I'm coming over all nostalgic.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 19:39:15
#238 Conan the Librarian™,

I could be doing with some advanced punctuation, to get my old Moniker back.
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 19:41:15
Off for tea. Laters maybe.
220

Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 19:43:37
239
Not actually seen them yet Meths, I'm off work and my boss got them(and hopefully is holding them) for me.
221

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 19:47:15
#245 Star spangled bannock,

700 years is about how long Unionist quisling types have been around...but their days are numbered.
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 19:47:42
242
Hey Col.

Oberst Luftschiff?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 19:55:39
#248 Conan

I'm standing in for him...He is being held incommunicado in the Hootsmon dungeon.

And the goons seem to have bricked up the entance to most of the old tunnels.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 20:05:20
Interesting that unofficial exit polls throughout Europe are showing gains for the centre-right parties in the Euro elections.

Whereas this is probably also true in England, it would be rather curious if this happened in this country.

The main question to be asked here is if the centre-left SNP have gained a further seat and which of the centre-right parties have lost out on the reduction of Scotland’s Euro seats.
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Noxious,

07/06/2009 20:15:24
I see the latest series of The Apprentice reaches its conclusion tonight. It will be interesting to see how the next series pans out once the soon to be Lord Sugar has taken his place in Gordo's new (largely unelected) cabinet. I fear it won't be the same, as we watch Alan putting his own family members through their paces to see which of them can become a PA or researcher for him, to be claimed against his expenses.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 20:29:46
#251 Noxious

It might contravene the BBC code of practise, having a member of the Government fronting a T.V. series.

Albeit an unelected one who is getting a peerage instead of a pay packet...a ploy to circumvent the rules...surely not.
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Noxious,

07/06/2009 20:30:45
#250

I think it would be safe to assume that it will be Gordo's centre right party that lose out, or should that be wipe out?
228

Noxious,

07/06/2009 20:35:09
# 252 Col

I'm sure the BBC will re-examine it's code of practice - after all, the show is a big ratings winner for them. I'm just trying to imagine what the next series will be like..."first prize - you get to work for me... second prize - stick the kettle on love and make me a nice cuppa".
229

Stan Butler,

07/06/2009 20:38:37


'AS MANY as 100 Labour MPs are preparing to join a "peasants' revolt" tomorrow by publicly calling for Gordon Brown to quit, saying his time at No 10 is up.'


Not according to Nick Robinson of the BBC.

Never mind. By tomorrow everyone will have forgotten this article.


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Iainbroch,

07/06/2009 20:40:46
re250

Just heard that the turn out here is a record low - For UK as whole! Not sure if I heard that right or not though!
231

Iainbroch,

07/06/2009 20:42:25
re254

What no knighthood boss?
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 20:42:30
According to Adam Boulton, Sky news, earlier tonight:

"In 2004 the UK elected 78 MEPs, tonight that is down to just 72, and we won't have the results in from Scotland and Northern Ireland until tomorrow."

Surely not, the Scottish results must surely be coming out tonight as well. Can anyone confirm ?
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 20:42:54
255
Indeed Stan, we must all believe the BBC.
234

Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 20:45:23
258
Waiting on the Outer Isles votes.
Or the Labour postal ones.
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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 20:47:29
258
Vivas

"Surely not, the Scottish results must surely be coming out tonight as well. Can anyone confirm ?"

Some will. But, as usual, results from the Highlands and islands will take longer.

I think I said somewhere in this thread that counting had already started in the UK. I was wrong. Counting did not start until all polls were closed.
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Noxious,

07/06/2009 20:57:50
WTF - We were one of the first countries to vote, on Thursday, but we'll be among the last to get the results!!! By all accounts, hardly anyone turned out to vote anyway - I'm sure I could have counted all the votes myself, declared the results and still been in the pub by halfseven on Friday night.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 07/06/2009 20:59:16
Thanks folks. But surely they've had 3 days though to get the ballot boxes from all over Scotland to places where they can be counted ? Oh well !
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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 21:00:42
262
Noxious

"We were one of the first countries to vote..."

It is not that matters, it is the last. In the UK polling traditionally takes place on a Thursday. Other countries vote on a Sunday. For very obvious reasons, the early results cannot be announced until all the polls are closed.
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Iainbroch,

07/06/2009 21:00:55
re261

I think that traditionally the Hihlands&Islands and the North East did not count till the following morning!
Hence the fianl result will probably not be in till mid day tomorrow ar earliest?
If the exit polls are correct about a record low turn out maybe they will come in slightly faster?
240

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 21:03:12
263
Vivas

"But surely they've had 3 days though to get the ballot boxes from all over Scotland to places where they can be counted ?"

The ballot boxes and their contents are in the custody of the Returning Officers for each constituency who are responsible for overseeing the count. There is no central count for the whole of the country.
241

Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 21:04:50
The BBC have a rumour that Labour have come in sixth in Cornwall - behind the Tories, Libs, UKIP, Greens, and Cornish nationalists.

They are going to get a really good kicking here.
242

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 21:10:47
267
Observer

"They are going to get a really good kicking here."

I wonder. Saw on the news that Jim Devine has been given the unequivocal backing of his constituency Labour party. He is still whining about how badly he has been treated and insisting that he has a full explanation for everything backed by documentary evidence.
243

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 21:14:09
#266 Electric Hermit

Rules is Rules!

The only thing you are allowed to count on the Sabbath...Are your Blessings.

http://www.thebricktestament.com/exodus/the_ten_commandments/ex20_08p31_15.html
244

Observer,,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 21:15:28
269 Even if he gets away with what seem to be very dubious claims, he is likely to lose his seat at the next election.

And it coudn't happer to a nicer man.
245

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 21:20:54
267 It makes infinite sense that in those areas where a council result was declared (and Labour held None) that a similar wipeout will be recorded tonight. In the case of the South West I believe Labour only had 2 wards on Somerset council so this is well within the bounds of possibility.
The scale of their humiliation is already cast in stone,the only debate is how many numpties in Scotland think that a futile Labour vote in Scotland matters !
246

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

07/06/2009 21:26:50
From the BBC...

"Labour is bracing itself for "terrible" results in the European Parliament elections as pressure continues on Gordon Brown's leadership."

"Early indications from the East of England suggest the party could have slipped to fifth or even sixth place."
247

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 21:29:03
278 Bon apetite !

I think Nikos will be eating Humble Pie !
248

Noxious,

07/06/2009 21:43:24
I've got a nice bottle of fizz on the go to accompany me as I watch the results.

277 Labour is bracing itself for "terrible" results

Seems they may have been a tad optimistic in their expectations!
249

Mèths,

07/06/2009 21:47:47
... and for any ex-pats -

http://www.fomny.com/United-kingdom-Tv.php

Click BBC News 2 Live
250

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 21:49:20
Its mid term blues ......................and yellows ..................................and greens................................but no sign of red by the look of it .

Of course this will not be repeated in a General Election........................................it will be far worse by then !
251

Tartan Viking,

07/06/2009 21:51:21
#285. Berero, looking to the night sky for inspiration

16,040 idiots are still at large in South Lanarkshire. I see.
252

Mèths,

07/06/2009 21:53:07
Just saw that Berero. OMG!
253

Tartan Viking,

07/06/2009 21:53:26
#288 morris,

Yup - the reds will be lucky to get nowt.

Ha ha ha ha ha.
254

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 21:54:18
The only recount will be amongst Gordon Broon supporters.
255

Mèths,

07/06/2009 21:57:12
Berero
OMG OMG OMG EEK!
256

Mèths,

07/06/2009 21:57:46
Eek Squeak OMG!!!
257

dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 21:57:47
295 Berero

Where are you getting your info from?
258

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07/06/2009 22:00:46
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 22:01:26
Labour up 9% in Leicester. Weird. Must be postal votes.
260

Tartan Viking,

07/06/2009 22:06:28
Brown's 5 point Plan to restore the peoples' trust:-

1. It is clear that the democratic system as presently constituted has failed.

2. The system needs reforming from top to bottom.

3. The number of People's Delegates to our Parliament needs to be drastically reduced.

4. I suggest this reduction should be from the present number of 648 delegates to a more rational and manageable figure, say one.

5. I suggest that that one person should be someone whose actions have remained above reproach and whose whole life has been given to serving the interests of the Lyebour Party and the country.

Comrades......I put myself forward.

Signed

Gordon Brown.
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Mèths,

07/06/2009 22:06:47
PSOE down. PP take more seats.

(Spain)
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Jo Flo,

wine fridge 07/06/2009 22:07:51
scottish results? please

no i'm told the wee frees have held it back 'till monday and results will come from some mercat cross ceremony at lunctime.
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Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:23:03
Good to see all the Nats frothing at the mouth over nothing.

The SNP had 2 seats before this election, they will have 2 seats after this election.

Labour had 2 seats before this election and they will still have 2 after it.

The SNP, always the bridesmaid and never the bride.
264

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:24:59
#313

Hey Spook, how come you are able to post from the Big Brother House? I am watching you right now on the live broadcast and you are not sitting at a keyboard.
265

The Busker in Exile,

Nottingham 07/06/2009 22:26:52
Good Evening Ladies & Gentlemen, Trolls, Fellow Peasants & Fellow Musicians.

Radio 4 has annonced that UKIP have topped the poll in Mandys old seat in Hartlepool.

Tee Hee Hee, Bet hes Glad he got His Peerage.
266

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 22:30:11
314
Jerry Springer

That's the sort of shallow, simplistic nonsense we have come to expect from increasingly desperate unionists. As more intellectually acute observers will be aware, it is not seats that are significant in this poll as far as any extrapolation is concerned, it is vote share. And the British Labour Party's vote share is looking to be massively down.

Votes are what matter, clown. And your unionist masters are losing them by the skip-load as people turn to the SNP for effective representation of their interests.
267

Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 22:30:37
Hey Jerry, had a pint at Winston's lately?
268

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:31:02
Big Backing for Alistair Darling from the French finance minister Christine Lagarde on the BBC news just now.

Clearly she knows what she is talking about.
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Tartan Viking,

07/06/2009 22:31:28
#314. Springer.

Not like the forthcoming General Election, when Lyebour will end up with zero seats. The bride will be well and truly divorced.

And about time.

ha ha ha ha ha.

270

Jo Flo,

avoiding mosquitos 07/06/2009 22:31:32
jim murph's east renfrewshire goes to tory

oh 4 f sakes
271

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:31:48
Hey conan did you hear about the robbery there?

i.e. did you hear the real story?
272

Nevsky;,

Moscow 07/06/2009 22:31:51
315 Jerry*

You must have missed the Scottish Parliament elections a while back. The SNP won!
273

Noxious,

07/06/2009 22:33:16
#314

Probably true, given the nature of the european electoral system. However, looking at the actual share of the vote, Labour will fall even further behind the SNP and if replicated in either the UK or Scottish elections, would see SNP make real gains against Labour in terms of seats won.
274

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 22:33:39
314 Jerry springer , you keep thaat up ,just keep yuor head in the sand and your erkie in the air.

All your media help ,all the bile spewed on here by Vichy Scots ,and what happens at the ballot box?
The SNP , Scottish Patriots slaughter the Labour mob of crooks and gangsters.

Brown must stay!!!!
275

Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 22:34:29
322
Tell me more...(It wasn't you was it?)
276

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:34:53
317 Electric Hermit,07/06/2009 22:30:11

"it is not seats that are significant in this poll as far as any extrapolation is concerned, it is vote share"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

YEAH RIGHT!

Celtic came second in the league, but that does not matter does it? They scored more goals after all. That is why Gordon Strachan resigned the day after.

SNP always the bridesmaid.
277

Tartan Viking,

07/06/2009 22:36:02
#319 Springer.

No she doesn't.

The question put ot her was "Do you think Darling is a tw@t" ?

278

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:36:55
#326

Ahem, no not me.

You need to check the newspapers going forward.
279

nostress,

grangemouth 07/06/2009 22:37:16
Whether Brown is clinically insane or not, the prospect of him lurching on for another year like some demented Lear cannot be good for the country. His stumbling shaky nail-less appearance is reminiscent of the last days of the Third Reich and surely if he were an animal he would be put out of his misery by now
280

Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 22:37:28
327
Oi! The robbery, please.
281

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:38:03
328 Tartan Viking,07/06/2009 22:36:02
#319 Springer.
No she doesn't.
The question put ot her was "Do you think Darling is a tw@t" ?


You need to stick to BBC Alba, clearly you cannot understand English.
282

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:38:31
Conan cant say anymore on here.
283

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 22:39:18
327
Jerry Springe

"Celtic came second in the league..."

You are more confused than I thought. We are talking about the EU election here.

"SNP always the bridesmaid."

Except for the last Scottish election, of course. To still be in denial after all this time you must be one of the more serious cases of unionist delusion.

284

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:39:49
"330 nostress,grangemouth 07/06/2009 22:37:16
Whether Brown is clinically insane or not, the prospect of him lurching on for another year like some demented Lear cannot be good for the country."

AHA.

A major milestone. Reality has set in for the Nats that our Gordon will still be Prime Minister in a years time.
285

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 22:40:27
The end of Labour is nigh Oh happy days.

Seems the Tories to be biggest Party in Wales , and Sein Fein in Northern Ireland.

We better watch out or Ireland will be united before we become Independent.
286

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:42:38
334 The last election?

What a minority Government?

See what I mean, SNP always the Bridesmaid.
287

Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 22:42:52
333
Fair enough.

288

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:46:50
SNP on 21% in Edinburgh.

What a shocking result for them.

In the middle of a one of the worst recessions ever, and a major expenses scandal hanging over Labour and all they can get is one fifth of the vote!

Independence is as far away as ever.

SNP, always the bridesmaid.
289

Nevsky;,

Moscow 07/06/2009 22:47:29
337 Jerry*

Still the minority party with power...still hurst Labour being destroyed in Scotland i guess...lol...get used to it!
290

nostress,

grangemouth 07/06/2009 22:48:00
335 - Yes, he very well could be. Why you would hail that as some kind of triumph is beyond me I must say. If you're content to see the country go further to the dogs then that of course is your prerogative.

I'm just profoundly grateful that we in Scotland have a government that actually puts the interest of the country first and foremost and not the narrow party and self interest so manifest by your unionist masters. My only regret is that we in Scotland are somewhat hamstrung by the unionist cabal in Westminster.
291

dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 22:48:06
Brian Taylor reporting early overall Scottish expectations:

29% SNP
21% Labour
17% Liberals

Tories not far behind.
292

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 22:48:28
335
Jerry Springer

"...our Gordon will still be Prime Minister in a years time."

You may want to pop out and get some ketchup for when you have to eat your words. You are, as has been all too evident, a massively ill-informed fool who has British Labour Party propaganda instead of thoughts.

A year from now campaigning for the UK general election will have begun. Notwithstanding your demented fantasies, there is no way the BLP is going into an election with Liability Brown as leader.

Brown will be out within weeks rather than months. If tonight's results are as bad as early indications suggest, he will be lucky to last the week.
293

Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 22:49:50
339
Oh gie it a rest Rufus.

Independence is as far away as a Tory Government in Westminster.
294

Nevsky;,

Moscow 07/06/2009 22:50:48
339 Jerry*

Bet you can't wait for the Tories to be voted in at the next election by the English electorate.

Very clever people the English...miles ahead of your average Scottish labour monkey!
295

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 22:51:15
327 Advertising that you either dont know how the system works or cant do primary school arithmetic is hardly worth the energy required to type!

As far as your comment that SNP are always a bridesmaid its better than Jilted at the Church Labour!
296

Tartan Viking,

07/06/2009 22:52:15
#332. Springer.

"You need to stick to BBC Alba, clearly you cannot understand English"

You cannot understand simple arithmetic mate. Your beloved party are stuffed on account of at least two other parties getting a shed lot of more votes that your party. Maybe you should stick to elementary arithmatic books from the Early Learning Centre.
297

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 22:52:47
better to be a bridesmaid than an old spinster
Rufus.
298

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 22:53:19
337
Jerry Springer

"What a minority Government?"

Enough popular support to push the BLP into second place for the first time in half a century.

Give it up, fool! The British Labour Party has some of the most practised spin artists around. And even they couldn't make the Scottish election result look like anything other than a humiliating rebuff for the BLP. So there is no chance for an ill-informed amateur propagandist like you.
299

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:53:44
Electric Hermit

A quick check up the board shows that all you have is insults in your armoury.

Everybody you disagree with is either an 'idiot', a 'fool', a 'to$$er' or a 'clown'.

Electric Hermit, you do the SNP great credit.
300

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:55:01
349 Scottish and Proud,

You have plenty of old spinsters as well. Check out FMQ any Thursday.
301

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:56:40
348 Tartan Viking,07/06/2009 22:52:15 " Maybe you should stick to elementary arithmatic books from the Early Learning Centre."

"Arithmatic"?

As I said, clearly you cannot understand English.
302

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 22:58:27
FMQ ah yes when the Great alex slaps around the opposition .
Yes our guid Scottish government.

You better get useed to being in opposition Rufus you are gonig to be there everywhere in Uk for a very long time.

303

Nevsky;,

Moscow 07/06/2009 22:58:54
Breathtaking if the SNP take Edinburgh. First time in history!

SNP take 40% of the vote in Dundee??? Amazing:

Scotland's Euro vote - SNP take Dundee with hefty 40%; West Dunbartonshire 32%, W Lothian 34%; Perth & K 34%.
304

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 22:58:56
More importantly, who is the Babe on the BBC panel?
305

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 22:59:47
354 how is yuor understanding of English?

Losers , opposition , humiliated
306

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 23:00:16
354 All Salmond does in FMQ is

1)SHOUT

2)Issue insults

3)Avoid answering Questions.

Salmond makes a mockery of Holyrood.
307

Tartan Viking,

07/06/2009 23:00:22
#353. Woofass.

You really are a wee pedantic tw@t.

Your party is finished.

Thank god.

Live with it you clown.



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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 23:00:30
351
Jerry Springer

If you post like an idiot then it is inevitable that you will be seen as an idiot. This is a fact of life and something an idiot such as yourself is just going to have to live with.

"...you do the SNP great credit."

I have no connection with the SNP. Yet one more thing you are wrong about. Maintaining your perfect record.
309

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:02:24
348 Clearly a typo which we all make .He typed it correctly just a few seconds before. Your memory span is not very impressive is it!
310

nostress,

grangemouth 07/06/2009 23:02:33
351 - Electric Hermit
A quick check up the board shows that all you have is insults in your armoury.
Everybody you disagree with is either an 'idiot', a 'fool', a 'to$$er' or a 'clown'.
Electric Hermit, you do the SNP great credit

"You need to stick to BBC Alba, clearly you cannot understand English"

One of yours I believe Jerry? Or does that not count as an insult in your rather bewildered mind? You managed to be both racist and demeaning with one stroke - priceless.
311

Conan the Librarian™,

07/06/2009 23:03:57
356
It won't be Flint.
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morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:08:06


That really does take the cake Anne McGuire is defending Labours performance by pointing out that at the last Euro election Labour were ahead of the SNP.

Who says Labour are yesterdays party?

5 years ago at least Please!
313

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 23:10:04
316
The Busker in Exile

"Radio 4 has annonced that UKIP have topped the poll in Mandys old seat in Hartlepool."

Not particularly good news to hear that the dinosaur party are picking up votes. While the rest of us are looking to the future, that lot wants to take us back a couple of generations.
314

nostress,

grangemouth 07/06/2009 23:10:56
365 Anne McGuire? pure window dressing that one....
315

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:12:15
Most people would agree that when a party drops below 20% of the votes cast,they are at least out for a long long time and possibly terminally so.

Labour in Scotland sit on 21%......................

The clock is ticking !

Maybe Labour could ask for a recount ? Im sure they filled in more postal votes than that.
316

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:13:02
369 That explains why NO SALE then eh?
317

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:15:04
HIghland we missed by 0.3%

I think we should call it 2.9999 seats
318

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 23:15:21
SNP almost 10% ahead of Labour , my my
319

nostress,

grangemouth 07/06/2009 23:18:32
21% for Labour! Are there that many deceased folk still on the register?
320

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 23:19:05
"373 morris,edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:15:04
HIghland we missed by 0.3%
I think we should call it 2.9999 seats"


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SNP always the bridesmaid!
321

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 23:22:43
Nicola looks like she has been sucking that lemon again.
322

nostress,

grangemouth 07/06/2009 23:22:44
376 - And Jerry (in whatever incarnation) - always the spare appendage!
323

Nevsky;,

Moscow 07/06/2009 23:23:38
Looks like the SNP will take the majority of the Scottish vote again.

Labour's back well and truly breaking at last even in it's heartlands!

Terrible for Labour...where do they go from here...once their geriatric vote can no longer be wheeled out they are finished!
324

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:23:40
The attempts to discredit this total anhialation of Labour is doing them more harm than anything. I hear that Labour are just as popular in Grays neck of the woods as they are in Skullduggery Murphys hideout.
325

The Busker in Exile,

Notts 07/06/2009 23:24:06
#368

I am not supporting UKIP, but any Result (apart from a BNP Win) which will bring forward a GE is a good result.
326

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 23:24:27
As predicted..................

The SNP had 2 seats before this election, they will have 2 seats after this election.

Labour had 2 seats before this election and they will still have 2 after it.

The SNP, always the bridesmaid and never the bride.
327

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 23:25:42
BNP wins a seat in Yorkshire & Humberside. Yet another reason why Scotland must secede from this increasingly alien union.
328

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 23:26:06
"381 Nevsky;,Moscow 07/06/2009 23:23:38
Looks like the SNP will take the majority of the Scottish vote again."

REALLY?

Are you using Tartan Viking's calculator?
329

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07/06/2009 23:26:17
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morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:27:01
376

At least we are invited to the wedding reception!

Labour have been thrown out by the bouncer
331

Nevsky;,

Moscow 07/06/2009 23:27:53
Stunning for the SNP:

'All 31 councils for today now in: SNP win last two, taking 21 out of 31 areas'

SNP become the bride.....Labour rapidly losing her looks and becoming and old slapper!
332

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 07/06/2009 23:28:24
Yorkshire and Humberside Last Euro it was postal votes only ,this time a vote at polling stations ,surprise surprise Labour vote drops by a massive 280,000 .

Bit of a pattern there
333

Yeah1,

07/06/2009 23:29:11
SNP 29% Lab 21% Con 17% LD 12%

Interesting - if those percentages are repeated at the next general election it would result in:

SNP 25 seats, Lab 16, LD 11 and Con 6
334

nostress,

grangemouth 07/06/2009 23:29:35
Shame on Yorkshire! First BNP MEP elected. Please, Scotland, wake up and disband this shameful Union at Westminster.
335

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:30:10
388

SNP already have taken a 10% lead with only Western Isles set to declare as far as I can see .SNP CANNOT HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN their best ever result now or have you still not learned how to do arithmetic.

Its over !
336

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 23:30:37
Well done Labour.

Retaining their 2 Euro MPs in the current climate is a phenomenal performance
337

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 23:30:47
384
The Busker in Exile

"I am not supporting UKIP, but any Result (apart from a BNP Win) which will bring forward a GE is a good result."

A general election is coming anyway. The EU is going to be around for the foreseeable future. The UK (for as long as it exists) needs representatives who will work within the EU to reform it and shape it for the future. What we do not need is obstructionists trying to drag us all back to the middle of the last century.
338

dunedin bully wee 1877,

07/06/2009 23:32:28
SNP ahead by 90,000 votes, this despite being in the middle of an economic recession, and the SNP being a Government in mid-term.

The second time that the SNP have won the popular vote.
339

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 23:32:39
Morris

Yes I can do 'arithmatic'.

Before the election SNP and Labour had 2 Euro MPs each.

After the election it is still the same.

Congratulations to the SNP for gaining Zero Euro MPs.

SNP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Always the Bridesmaid.
340

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:33:36
397 Have you seen the English results?

YOU WILL but it will be better if you close your eyes and have a nightmare !
341

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 23:34:25
OMG

Alex Salmond thinks he is 'in Government'.

Signs of delusion there...............
342

Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 23:35:22
402 Morris

Yes the Labour vote is down, but come on, who expected otherwise?
343

Nevsky;,

Moscow 07/06/2009 23:37:36
404 Jerry*

England votes in a neo-facist MEP and the Tories will win the next election on the English vote..bet you can't wait..all hail the union at any cost eh?
344

Yeah1,

07/06/2009 23:38:33
#393

"Yorkshire and Humberside Last Euro it was postal votes only ,this time a vote at polling stations ,surprise surprise Labour vote drops by a massive 280,000 ."

Either you are misinformed or you can't count - 2004 Labour got 413,000 in Yorks and Humber, 2009 they got 230,000 - thats a drop of 183,000
345

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:38:44
405 Certainly not the electorate THATS FOR SURE....

346

nostress,

grangemouth 07/06/2009 23:39:41
Shame on Labour for allowing the fascist victory in Yorkshire
347

Yeah1,

07/06/2009 23:41:00
#395

"Shame on Yorkshire! First BNP MEP elected."

Yes it is shocking - 120,000 people in Yorks & Humber voted for a racist, facist party.

Interestingly though although they got an MEP this time they actually had less votes - in 2004 they got 126,500. They only got an MEP this time because the vote for the other parties dropped further and the turnout was down.
348

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 23:42:08
Tories beat Labour in Wales.
349

Yeah1,

07/06/2009 23:42:19
#411

"But the SNP also took at hit on the Expenses except our vote went up."

Why did the SNP take a hit on expenses? I thought they didn't do anything wrong regarding expenses?
350

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:42:33


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Nevsky;,

Moscow 07/06/2009 23:42:42
Interesting that in England the vote is veering well to the right and that hundreds of thousands of votes are being cast for anti EU parties and to the BNP.

Scotland and England parting gently with every vote cast methinks!

352

Herry Oaksters,

07/06/2009 23:45:49
This is a Cake walk for the Brilliant SNP gvmt.
Labour are foiked.
lol
353

morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:45:51
417 An attempt at an SNP symbol .

I guess Ill just have to do a Scotland Map !
Wales fell to the Tories
Any idea how Plaid performed?
354

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 23:46:24
413
Yeah1

"Interestingly though although they got an MEP this time they actually had less votes - in 2004 they got 126,500. They only got an MEP this time because the vote for the other parties dropped further and the turnout was down."

This is an example of the distorting effect of low turnout that I wrote about recently. Basically, extremists always vote. The ones who don't vote tend to be moderates. Not voting favours extremists. That is the message we have to get across to those thinking about abstaining.

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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 23:48:23
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Yeah1

"Why did the SNP take a hit on expenses? I thought they didn't do anything wrong regarding expenses?"

Neither did many Labour and Tory MPs. But because of the way the whole issue has been hyped all are tarred with the same brush.
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morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:52:03
PLAID CYMRU will call for an immediate general election at a Commons debate on Wednesday – and they’ve got the Government running scared, the party believes.
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 07/06/2009 23:52:06
The SNP are 10 points ahead of Labour in Scotland...that in my view is a massive breakthrough and a huge vote of confidence in the SNP.

Taking Edinburgh and 40% of the vote in Dundee...magic!
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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 23:52:19
Just saw Nick "The Slug" Griffin on TV. I'll have to go for a long, hot shower.
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Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 23:56:54
The BNP's MEP, Andrew Brons, seems to represent the BNP in microcosm. A convicted criminal and neo-Nazi who puts on a good enough front to deceive. A lot of people are going to feel very ashamed of themselves when they find out the kind of racist scumbag they have given their vote to.
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Stan Butler,

07/06/2009 23:57:30


What is it about the SNP's policies on Europe that has encouraged people to vote for them?

Or has this election not been about Europe?


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morris,

edinburgh 07/06/2009 23:59:21
432 Cheers and I think that must give PC a seat .
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:01:23
labour down 12% in Wales It just gets better.
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 08/06/2009 00:02:33
Labour vote holding up well in England at 16% though...fair play!
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:04:14
One optimistic point for Labour .

You must perform better in opposition than you have in government! Well thats the theory anyway!
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Electric Hermit,

08/06/2009 00:05:47
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Stan Butler

"What is it about the SNP's policies on Europe that has encouraged people to vote for them?"

Perhaps it's that fact that the SNP is realistic about the EU. We are in it. And we are going to be in it for the foreseeable future. So the sensible thing to do is engage with the EU and strive to make it work better.

This contrasts sharply with the fantasists who imagine the EU is just going to disappear any day now and the Tory/Labour fence-sitters whose attitude to the EU changes depending on who they are talking to.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:06:07
16% is usually a sign of a party who have formed their last government.

Labour will be doing well to form a circle .
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 08/06/2009 00:11:14
445 morris*

Yip, should be just enough to join hands round the chippie in Drumchapel!
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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 00:11:24


These results have more to do with the Telegraph's shock horror MPs expenses scandal which has dominated the political and popular agenda for the last three weeks than European, Westminster or Holyrood politics.

I see the BNP have won a seat.

So success for the nationalists in England and Scotland but not so much in Wales.


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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:12:09
441 I take the point but of course Wales have even less seats than Scotland and what happens in England is what matters and at 16% overall its curtains for Broon and probably Labour also.
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Electric Hermit,

08/06/2009 00:14:04
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Stan Butler

"So success for the nationalists in England and Scotland..."

Only the most desperately fanatical unionist lackeys try to associate the SNP with the BNP.
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Electric Hermit,

08/06/2009 00:15:59
John Curtice, "Result at bottom end of Labour's expectations."

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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:16:21
Come on then Hootsmon
lets see the article which declares SNP vote fell to 2% of UK total .
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

08/06/2009 00:18:02
What's all this about a 2-2-1-1 split? are there enough results in to confirm that?

If labour is on about 21% a fifth party would take one from Labour if they got about 7%...Nobody made that?

Multiples of 14.3%...then largest residual vote?
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 08/06/2009 00:20:24
448 Stan*

Point 1 is rubbish...every newspaper is anti-SNP so the fact that they have won in Scotland is a really powerful message.

So don't as a Labour man complain NOW that the press is against you....the press in Scotland is overwhenlimgly pro-Labour!

You lost because Labour have a leader who is and inept and weak leader who is a bit of a freak and a complete hypoctrite!




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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:24:48
Liam Fox says this is Labours poorest showing NATIONALY since 1918.

If thats correct Brown had better enjoy his breakfast at no 10 tomoorow It may be his last.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

08/06/2009 00:27:13
Worst PM ever!
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:29:22
Oh my God Labour are forecast at 13 seats !
Thats humiliation in any language.For God sake Labour activists take it on the chin and just accept that the country wants an election and wants you gone.
At least retain some democratic credibility even if you cannot now hold onto power .
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 08/06/2009 00:33:08
Labour predicted to come behind UKIP..lol...Englsih pensioners beat Labour...what an embarassement and surely a sign to Scottish Labour voters that their time has gone!
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:42:15
Gordon Broon Gordon Broon hiding in the Glen (rothes)
Gordon Broon Gordon Broon kicked oot number 10
Cheered by the mad,loved by the crude
Robbing Hood Robbing Hood Robbing Hood .
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:58:02
Apparently Lib Dem support is down 1% overall but still translates into 1 more seat? Is that correct? If it is
and you get more from less it puts Labours showing into perspective I think!

I will enjoy hearing labour apologists explain this result away.
No doubt they are just thick enough to try.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 01:02:25
Norwich Bye election will indeed be interesting now !
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Electric Hermit,

08/06/2009 02:24:41
Brons was bad enough, but now Griffin has been elected as well. It is no overstatement to say that this is not just bad, it is horrific. The platform this gives to these hate-mongering Facists gives them genuine political power.

How did this happen? Two factors stand out. The collapse of the British Labour Party vote, and the failure of people to get off their backsides and vote. The BNP has not attracted any new voters. Their vote is actually down. It is principally because ordinary decent people didn't vote.

As far as Scotland is concerned, this is just one more reason to secede from the union. Whatever electoral quirk may have allowed scum like Griffin and Brons to win seats, the fact remains that they are representing the UK in Europe. And so long as Scotland is part of the UK this scum is representing us. That is not something I am prepared to accept.


 

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