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Apology fails to take heat off Hain



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Published Date: 13 January 2008
PETER Hain was forced to make a humiliating apology yesterday over his failure to declare more than £100,000 he received in his failed bid to become deputy leader of the Labour party.
But his attempts to draw a line under the affair were immediately knocked back as opposition parties demanded to know further details of his campaign finances.

The Work and Pensions Secretary said it was "absurd" to suggest he had anything to hide and pledged to "get on with the job" of government.

Hain's apology comes amid widespread expectation in Scotland that the Electoral Commission, which governs party donations, will deliver its verdict on the failure of Scottish Labour leader Wendy Alexander to declare donations to her own campaign.

Hain first fell into trouble after it emerged he had broken rules on party donations by failing to register 17 donations amounting to £103,000 within the 30-day limit set down by the Electoral Commission.

He was plunged into fresh controversy last week after it emerged that more than half of the donations had been made by wealthy businessmen and channelled through a 'think-tank' called the Progressive Policies Forum (PPF). It was set up around the time Hain launched his campaign. But it employs no staff and has not published any work since it was set up in December 2006.

Hain decided to make a public statement yesterday afternoon in an attempt to clear the air over the affair.

He said: "I apologise for the embarrassment caused by poor administration and lack of early and clear disclosure. However, I make no apology for being a committed candidate in Labour's deputy leadership campaign or for raising the funds necessary to run a modern campaign.

"I was not involved in establishing the Progressive Policies Forum, but it was prepared and able to assist in making donations to the campaign."

Hain said he was also "now making immediate arrangements" to repay a £25,000 interest-free loan from PPF.

However, opposition MPs said it was now incumbent on Hain to explain why his campaign had sought to channel donations via the think-tank. Elfyn Llwyd, Plaid Cymru's Westminster leader, reiterated his call for Hain's resignation, saying the statement failed to explain the role of the PPF.

"I think we need to know precisely what was the purpose of the PPF – was it a vehicle for siphoning funds through?" he said. "On a cursory view, that appears the case. If so, there's something dodgy going on. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has explained who they are and Peter Hain's statement has not answered that at all."

Hain is facing three potential inquiries. The Electoral Commission will decide what action to take over his failure to register the donations.

Meanwhile, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards will examine Hain's failure to publish the donations with the Commons in time. If Hain was found guilty of breaking the rules, he could be suspended from the Commons for up to two weeks, in a move that would almost certainly bring about his resignation.

The Committee on Standards in Public Life, led by Sir Christopher Kelly, is also looking at the issue.

The PPF was set up by John Underwood, the treasurer of Hain's campaign. In total, it channelled £51,613 from wealthy businessmen to Hain's campaign.

Hain's campaign team has said that PPF donors were "content" for their contributions to be passed on to Hain and have pointed out that the arrangement is "entirely permissible". But at least one of the donors did not know his cash would be used for Hain's leadership challenge.

Hain came fifth out of six in the deputy leadership race after spending twice as much as any of the other candidates, including the winner, Harriet Harman.

• The Tories have doubled their lead over Labour to 10 points in the past two weeks in a new blow for Gordon Brown, according to a poll released last night.

The YouGov survey put David Cameron's Conservatives on 43%, up three since the previous poll at the end of December, and Labour on 33%, down two.

The Liberal Democrats, under new leader Nick Clegg, have dropped one point to 14%.

However, the Tories are still short of the 13-point lead they held over Labour in the same poll a month ago.

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1

yoric,

13/01/2008 00:16:10
Another Sleazy, Corrupt, Labour Politician.
Peter Hain, do as i say, not as I do.
2

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13/01/2008 00:33:29
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3

baffies away,

13/01/2008 00:50:01
This is getting boring. Corrupt to the core, the whole lot of them!
4

AJ o' Fife,

13/01/2008 00:51:44
Hain's apology reminded me of Harold Shipman's arrogant put down of a TV reporter, just days before he was nicked. I'm sure Shipman used the word absurd too!

Hain looks like he likes the good life! Greed is a terrible thing!
5

M.T.,

13/01/2008 01:26:01
The politicians make the rules. If we, the public, break the rules then we can expect fines, even prison. Pressure of work or ignorance is not considered relevant. If the politicians break the rules then they must be prosecuted and an example made of them.
Justice must be done and be seen to be done.
6

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 13/01/2008 02:19:04
And Wendy ............ Immune??
7

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 13/01/2008 02:34:41
JUST.FOUND.103.000.IN.MY.DRAWER.I,FORGOT.IHAD
8

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

13/01/2008 04:13:38
He'll no doubt stay on like jowel spice. They ruined and have held Scotland back through poor administration and now they can't even administer themselves, or by the looks of things, the energy market.
9

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

Peter Hain 13/01/2008 04:15:52
"Peter Hain, remember, was the leftie candidate, known for his stand against apartheid, his mistrust of global capitalism and support for the welfare state. So, how about this: a boss of a multinational pharmaceutical company accused of cheating the NHS out of money through his involvement in a price-fixing cartel, who supported a member of a pro-apartheid party in South Africa? Step forward, Isaac Kaye, former boss of Ivax Pharmaceuticals. He was one of Peter’s generous, secretive donors".
10

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

Another donor 13/01/2008 04:17:42
"a diamond broker (with strong South African and Israeli connections), a former supporter of John Major, one Willie Nagel. Willie got honoured by new Labour six years ago - probably just for selling diamonds"

and

"Hain has admitted to being “confused” about these hidden donations, which have now landed him in trouble. You and me both, matey. I’m a little confused about the front – sorry, “think tank” – through which these donations were filtered".
11

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

Perhaps Labour have learned from big business how 13/01/2008 04:31:22
rip people off the most

1. Energy firms raising prices but not lowering them when they fall. Many of our suppliers have parent companies in Europe who are not passing these increases onto mainland consumers.

2. Petrol prices the second highest in the EU.

3. Above inflation (target 2%) increases for public transport as high as 11%.

4. Council tax bills record rises(excluding Scotland thankfully)

5. Dentists most expensive in Europe ( thanks)

6. Banks take 5 billion from customers illegally.

Apart from creating an underclass that can't afford to pay for their own housing, and continuing to decimate the social housing stock, have they actaully achieved anything?
12

Jimmy the Pie,

Having a day off from hunting for Wendy 13/01/2008 06:02:17
Any signs of Scotland's most wanted??
13

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

Education appeals are OK only if you come from a r 13/01/2008 06:26:17
Even if you thought that trying hard at school to move up the social ladder, which is now even harder to do under Labour, this as a motivation must surely crush everyone:

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1961032.0.Revealed_how_exam_appeals_were_unfair_for_15_years.php
14

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

13/01/2008 06:32:40

"A Downing Street spokes- man said the Prime Minister had "full confidence" in Mr Hain, who is also the Secretary of State for Wales"

That may help explain the cartel operations of the energy providers then. Diamond sellers, NHS fraudsters and apartheid supporters and Gordon Brown has full confidence in a man taking money from them.

Wonders will never cease. I forgot it was the treasury who dished out the bribes to Saudi Arabia. My apologies to the Labour government.

15

donald,

glasgow 13/01/2008 07:02:59
The No Nothing Party.
16

glassbenmhor,

13/01/2008 09:29:10
PERMA-TAN AYE the glow of the 100Watt bulb has been replaced by the NEUCLEAR FUTURE
17

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 09:32:14
This is the core problem with London and Westminster as a whole. They see themselves as being above the law of the land.

Twenty Years ago before we were all dumbed down, by the State Media, any politician who even had the slightest wiff of this form of corruption would have been shunned by even their own party, and would have resigned immediately from Parliament.

The people of this country seem to have lost their valuable spirit of fairness and morale backbone as defenders of truth. Maggie T and Brown and Blair knocked that out of us and we are more self centered than at anytime in our history. Where are the public demonstrations that fought governments decisions. There is no more counter balance left. People seem more interested in the latest fashions and what electronic gadget they want to buy next, before everybody has one.

When the likes of Blair and Brown can walk into Government so easily, even after they have lied to the electorate on so many serious issues then you know we are in real trouble. If Brown turned around next week and declared he was extending parliamentary periods to 20 years, no one would really bother their erse providing they still had a job or income that allowed them to buy a big screen tv before the people next door. Or go out for a meal and get drunk enough to forget their so called worries.
18

sceptic,

13/01/2008 09:33:47
What's the odd 103k these days, it is only what the the government expects 23 pensioners to live on for a year! You could hardly expect a Labour poltician to be interested in where such a paltry sum came from or went to.
19

sceptic,

13/01/2008 09:38:13
#20
"Where are the public demonstrations that fought governments decisions"
You get arrested under the terrorism act and if Brown gets his way 3 months in detention without charges or trial.
20

cabrach loon,

La Massana 13/01/2008 09:51:39
They made the laws and now they want them to to be applied to themselves - yet for the rest of us for so many piddly things that should only be a warning it's a big fine and a criminal record - so thump Harman Alexander Haines Brown and Blair etc.! OUT with the lot of them please! Obey the law or take the cponsequences.
21

Nezavisamaya Shotlandia,

in the dock 13/01/2008 09:57:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh1z6JqMPLc
22

Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 13/01/2008 10:04:28
#21 "Labour politician" should read "ANY POLITICIAN".
Current lot are undermining Brown and "New"Labour Harman,Kelly,Hain and Alexander in Scotland.All snouts in any available trough!!!And they wonder why people are distrustful of politicians.
23

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 13/01/2008 10:05:58
Why has brown declared that he has full confidence in him? Political suicide surely?
24

ddmc,

13/01/2008 10:11:34
If he can't run his own parlimentary office what hope does he have to run a Govt department.

He stinks to high heaven & is another politco with his snout in the trough.
25

Alberto.,

13/01/2008 10:16:10
Brown a Prime Minister?

The way things are, and the way they are going,it seems, at best, that he is doing nothing more than 'looking after the shop while the boss is away!' and at a great cost to the Nation.

It is very difficult to see any suitable qualities he may have for the job, presumably 'well hidden', that would let us see he is fit to be at the 'top of the ladder!'

'Corruption, Calamity and Cover up' still seems to be the order of the day at New Labour HQ and everywhere where they exist!
26

jabby,

Lanarkshire 13/01/2008 10:24:44
Hain,Alexander,Osborne the list is endless,is it any wonder that people think that all politicians are incapable of telling the truth.They preach morality,honesty and decency yet act the complete opposite,no wonder people don`t vote.
27

Alberto.,

13/01/2008 10:32:21
Hains excuse - pressure of work and poor administration for apparent abuse of'financial rules!'

These excuses / reasons cannot be put forward and accepted - from any Politician, although the poor admin. bit would seem to be very relevant to any New Labour politician from the experience - or lack of, that they have displayed during their reign over us!

We pay them exceedingly high salaries for what they do - or, as in some / many cases, for what they 'don't do', and they also receive generous payments towards the staff 'they' choose to employ to assist them - apparently, in Hains case, a bunch of not very bright sparks to write home about - and that includes their boss Hain!

It seems that New Labours attitude to the personal financial side of the 'Political game' (currently,is it really anything else but a game?) is 'get what you can, while you can - after all, you amy never be found out - well worth a gamble with the control we have, and 'that man we know who knows a man who can always be very helpful -if the 'Price is Right!'
28

Alberto.,

13/01/2008 10:42:42
It's sure going to be interesting at the end of the day, to see who ends up with the 'Black Marks' in the Wendy Alexander financial predicament, which it is hoped will be in the very near future! Surely either she or the Committee doing the 'looking into'(seems that 'investigation' is a bit over the top, where todays Political 'errors or transgressions' are concerned and the folk who deal with such matters
'officially'- or will this one really surprise us all?
29

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 13/01/2008 10:44:16
~3 This is getting boring. Corrupt to the core, the whole lot of them!

What an absurd statement!
It is well known that politicians do not step outside the rules but, instead, make 'mistakes'.
It is only the great unwashed who step outside the law / rules and who should therefore expect to feel the hot breath of PC Murdoch on their collars.
30

Calum Crubag,

13/01/2008 10:45:17
Hain should go. What a moralising hypocrite. The famous anti-apartheid campaigner taking money from a diamond dealear who profitted from apartheid. He's also urging us to 'shop' dole cheats while he conveniently 'forgets' a £100k donation made through a non-existent 'think tank'. How low can Labour go?

And no wonder the Tories are keeping quiet with their private school dork Osbourne taking un undeclared £500k. Seems as if Labour and Tory are not only similar in policies.
31

Calum McLeod 1,

13/01/2008 10:52:09
In so far as Wendy Alexander is concerned, the donations issue is a criminal offence whether she intended it or not. Why are the Police dithering about investing and reporting this? Why is the Lord Advocate not using her power and instructing the Police to investigate and report the findings to the Crown?
I'm no expert on English Law but there must surely be case for demanding that the Police investigate and report the matter to the DPP in respect of Hain and Harman.
32

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 10:54:01
I remember the pleasure of finding a forgotten £10 note in the pocket of a much loved but somewhat elderly jacket.

These were difficult days, and £10 represented a whole week’s worth of beer tokens, or a significant contribution towards the Wm Low’s provisions bill, or the monthly rent of our wee flat. I was therefore in a quandary as to where to invest this windfall.

In the event, my conscience got the better of me, and a portion of it went towards paying off our ridiculously high heating costs, (SSEB electric storage heating in Glasgow “overspill” ville), and a bunch of flowers for the lady of the house.

I retrospectively declared this income to “her indoors” and escaped any form of censure by doing so, and by also using the money in an approved manner.

I personally did not gain any beer drinking advantage from this £10.00 donation from my old jacket, (oh by the way, it was purchased VAT free from a source in Jersey).

It would appear that the Electoral Commission seem intent upon using my experience as a precedent in order to exonerate Ms Alexander of any wrongdoing in the Wendygate affair.

Fair enough, however, as she is such a poor proponent of the Unionist position, those of independent mind will welcome her return to mainstream debate.

It will give them someone to focus upon.

A wide mouthed, dim witted frog, represents the alternative to Scottish self determination.

Is that the best they can do?
33

MtnKat,

13/01/2008 11:02:59
When the SNP formed their government in May I fully expected them to show how inadequate Labour had been by virtue of their superior governance. That was what I expected to put the final nail in Labours coffin.
Labour, however, could not wait for that eventuality. Even knowing that the Labour party is corrupt to the core, I did not suspect the level of self destructive behavior they are evincing now.
Disliking them as I do, it is still embarrassing to be forced to witness the almost daily revelations of depth to which they have sunk.
Yet they refuse to draw the remnants of their tattered reputations about them and disappear into the obscurity that awaits them.



34

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 13/01/2008 11:09:19
Clearly Hain will have to resign. The question is, how much agony does he want to suffer before he accepts the fact.
35

Evan Owen,

Dyffryn Ardudwy 13/01/2008 11:44:05
Politics as we know it is not fit for purpose.

One big stink tank.
36

Kipling,

In the DoomRay library 13/01/2008 12:01:29
Re. MacEoghainn & the unlucky 103.
According to other sites Gregory McEwen, a solicitor, is the PPF's single director and only shareholder. The company is an 'ordinary' limited company not, as one commentator pointed out, a company limited by guarantee -- which would be a more logical registration for a non-profit organisation. Gregory McEwen is a partner in McEwen Parkinson, of the same address. This firm is listed as solicitors specialising in conveyancing, injury claims & divorce (Read in this order as you will).

Like al-Qaeda, no one had really heard of this organisation 'think tank' before this event.
37

Paddi,

13/01/2008 12:11:10
#13;Jimmy the Pie,Having a day off from hunting for Wendy

I'll tell you where she is, she's checking out the accommodation for her big stay at HMP Holloway
38

Gothic Rose,

13/01/2008 13:18:55
35# "Purchase vat free from a source in Jersey"."Difficult days" I don`t believe it.!
39

Linda,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 14:25:06
Rest assured the Electoral Commission will exhonorate Wendy Alexander.

What else can it do when its political advisor Lord Murray Elder a boyhood friend of Gordon Brown gave £950 to Wendy's so called leadership campaign.
40

Highland Mighty,

13/01/2008 14:27:16
Unlike the SNP fanatics, I still prefer for someone to be proven guilty after a thorough independent investigation.

However, if he is found to have been involved in illegal donations, then he has to go and not return.

But I notice these same fanatics were quick to defend the recently reported undeclared donations to the SNP.

Strange that!
41

 Ayrshire Scot™,

13/01/2008 14:28:58
43 Failure to declare the donations is illegal.
42

 Ayrshire Scot™,

13/01/2008 14:29:33
43. Receiving donations from Jersey is illegal. Labour have admitted breaking the law.
43

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA GU BRATH 13/01/2008 14:37:40
#43. At least have the guts to use your regular troll handle, utterly pathetic.


So much more in the news today, pity this wee raggy reports through rose tinted glasses, for example:

Wendy's team knew law had been broken
By Paul Hutcheon
)
WENDY ALEXANDER'S campaign team registered an illegal donation in the name of a Glasgow-based company at the eleventh hour after realising they might have already broken electoral law.

The Labour leader's team had been under the impression that donations under £1000, regardless of origin, were permissable, including the £950 from Jersey-based Paul Green that has rocked her leadership for the past six weeks.

However, after they realised they had misinterpreted electoral law, the cash was instead registered in the name of Combined Property Services (CPS).

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Alexander and her team are being investigated by the Electoral Commission after admitting they accepted the donation as part of her leadership campaign.

Her campaign members have consistently declined to answer questions on why and when CPS was first named as the source of the Green cash.

OR:

Nuclear waste stores planned for Scotland
By Rob Edwards, Environment Editor


Salmond and Westminster head for more confrontation

UP TO six new stores for nuclear waste are planned for Scotland in a move which will create a new confrontation between the Scottish government and Westminster.

Scottish ministers - who have already effectively blocked Westminster plans for new nuclear power stations north of the Border - believe waste from our existing power stations should be kept in Scotland rather than transported to a dump near Sellafield in Cumbria.

Both the UK government and British Energy, which operates the nuclear power stations, are opposed to the move.

The SNP government is considering building long-term storage facilities at or near to existing nuclear sites. This means that Hunterston in North Ayrshire, Torness in East Lothian
44

HEN BROON 5,

13/01/2008 14:39:08
The SNP government is considering building long-term storage facilities at or near to existing nuclear sites. This means that Hunterston in North Ayrshire, Torness in East Lothian and Dounreay in Caithness could all end up with waste stores, along with possibly Chapelcross in Dumfries and Galloway, Rosyth in Fife and Faslane in Dunbartonshire.



THANK GOD WE HAVE ONE PAPER REPORTING NEWS.

Rosyth in Fife is a nuclear dump already. 4 rusting nuclear subs, check it out on Google Earth.

Labour drowning in it's own slime, eeeeugh.


It is time.

ALBA GU BRATH.
45

JimC,

Kilmarnock 13/01/2008 15:05:50
The Yougov online survey of 2,139 electors on 10 and 11 January put the Tories on 43%, Labour on 33% and the Lib Dems on 14%.

Suppose that says it all really.
46

Highland Mighty,

13/01/2008 15:40:56
46. Who am I now then?

I actually only EVER use one username, this one.

How many of the SNP fanatics can say the same?

Any care to own up to using multiple usernames to swamp these boards (and those on the Herald site!) with fake SNP support?
47

Richard,

Broxburn 13/01/2008 15:45:19
Highland Mighty,

"Any care to own up to using multiple usernames to swamp these boards (and those on the Herald site!) with fake SNP support"?

Paranoid and delusional, not a healthy combination?
48

Sanny,

Glasgow 13/01/2008 17:12:44
Are these the same people that would criticise and demand retribution from Alex Salmond for going the extra mile to bring in much needed inward investment in Aberdeenshire. Of course there is a fundamental difference: - all the investment funds go to the local community none goes to Alex Salmond or his party. Perhaps that was Alex's mistake

Does anyone remember Profumo: A Senior Cabinet Minister whose offence was to have sex with a young, not underage, girl and get caught,. There was no question that for his disgraceful behaviour he should resign and permanently leave politics. If we were to apply the same standards today in Westminster only the cleaners would be left. In Holyrood the SNP would have a working majority.
49

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 13/01/2008 17:17:45
Apology not accepted. Please have your letter of resignation on my desk first thing tomorrow morning! You Too Wendy! oh! and you as well Gordon!
50

Graham Simpson,

Vancouver 13/01/2008 17:25:49
It's interesting that Hain's so called 'forced apology' is considered humiliating. Who considers it humiliating. Jenny Percival? Gordon Brown? NuLabour generally? or the appropriate Crown Prosecutor believing it to be of sufficient amends.

Certainly not Peter Hain who is probably going to walk away... to do it all again!

And fading quietly into the background we see Tony Blair... our recently appointed 'Merchant of Peace' in the Middle East and architect of NuLabour deceit and spin... getting into bed at a $million per annum (part time at that) with the Morgan Chase Bank of New York. Neither were his apologies, sincere or otherwise... self humiliating, so why should Peter Hain or for that matter our own dear little Wendy not get off 'Scot free'. No pun intended!

51

Reckless,

Fife 13/01/2008 17:54:21
NuLabour, sleaze, corruption, spin.
52

Highland Mighty,

13/01/2008 18:03:56
55.
SNP: Endless promises followed by endless excuses.

SNP: If it goes right, it's down to the SNP. If it goes wrong, it's down to the Union.
53

Graham Simpson,

Vancouver 13/01/2008 18:24:20
#56 Highland Mighty ... you are so right! May we quote you?

If it goes right it's because of the SNP... That's what most Scots are beginning to see much more clearly, now that the SNP can demonstrate daily their continued good governance.

If it goes wrong, its down to the Union! Well at least to the governing union Party of the day! in this case NuLabour who can also demonstrate, on a daily basis their lack of fitness,ethics or competence to run any government... be it Whitehall or Holyrood!

Thank you again for bringing this to the attention of other posters.

54

Reckless,

Fife 13/01/2008 18:29:31
The SNP are little better than Neo Labour. They're all a bunch of self-serving rogues. The EU dictators need our 300-year-old union to break up, then they'll achieve what 2 world wars failed to do.

http://www.eutruth.org.uk/traitors.html
List of Traitors to the United Kingdom

Its very important to understand the legal basis for treason. Firstly it has always been the most serious crime on the statute book, worse than murder. Treason has long been the only crime punished by "hanging by the neck until dead." Murderers only get life.
55

Greenheatman,

TAIN 13/01/2008 18:40:00
Hain has broken the law - has anyone filed a complaint with the Met yet?

Perhaps, I should
56

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 18:48:54
#56

So the last remaining labourtory surfaces at last.

Excellent, it is useful to hear the opinions of the dark side, even if only to reinforce what it is that unites us against their sleaze, mendacity, corruption and general disrespect of the people of our country.

Unfortunately, like your hero, the wide mouth frog herself on the Politics Today programme, you really have nothing to contribute.

Who is using the Unionist brain cell today?
57

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 19:14:43
#58

Is it lonely in your padded cell?

Watch out, the “Outreaches” may be still trying to get you.

Beware the “Griffins“, for they report back to “The Warden“, who in turn is the emissary of “The Optician”.

Trust only in the “Oranges”, for those crafty types are the only true “Sons of William”.

But then again, you know that already.

Rule Britannia!

Get generally “Wade” into those rebellious Scots, and give them a good crushing.

Your medicine trolley will be along in a minute.
58

Graham Simpson,

Vancouver 13/01/2008 19:24:02
#58 Reckless Fife...

I am somewhat chagrined that you care to merely describe the SNP as a bunch of self serving rogues!

What did we do wrong? having read your delightful little website devoted to identifying all the traitors of the UK, which include such notables as the Queen, Thatcher, Heath, Blair, Major,Cameron,'our slovenly press', the Law Society, ect,ect,ect,and having defined treason as the conspiring to, or action of 'overthrowing the state'.... and while we have no plans to 'overthrow the UK', we are certainly intent on dismembering it, surely you could have easily added the SNP and/or it's members to your infamous list without too much strain on your conscience and credibility.

Respectfully... in awe of your undoubted wisdom!






59

msspurlock,

Reality 13/01/2008 19:49:56
Liberal = Hypocrite
Liberal = Thief
"Taxes are for the little people. The great unwashed. I'll tax them into oblivion, but cheat on my own. It's the liberal way."
60

John1,

Stirling 13/01/2008 20:18:20
I remember Peter Hain as a self-satisfied, self-regarding youth believing in 'direct action' to achieve his ends rather than due process, which the rest of us had to work by. It would appear his opinions have not changed - he still seems to believe in direct (illegal) action to take things his way. How does anyone with this aproach get elected to parliament, never mind getting an overpaid job as a minister? We will only get over the problem of low-integrity politicians when the public stop voting for them and take an interest in the attitudes of the people who present themselves for public office. Vote for the man(or woman) not the party!
61

SIR RASTUS DICKLONG-DONGLER,

Hanging out - big time, baby! 13/01/2008 20:45:21
The creepy cretinous Hain should go now, followed swiftly by the absolutely appalling Alexander, and Hahaharman.
62

whitegold,

Shire 13/01/2008 21:06:54
As regards the SNP & Europe:
This is from the SNP website:

"To support a European Union as a confederation of sovereign states, where certain issues are decided collectively but also as locally to the people they affect as possible. The SNP will always oppose unnecessary centralisation"

They seem opposed to a federal model of Europe. IMO Labour are far more Eurocentric than the SNP, and in power have advanced the Euro federation ideal more than any other party - so it makes sense for Scotland to give votes to the SNP rather than Labour.
63

Hector Goodrich (Dr),

A&E 13/01/2008 21:58:29
I think what we all need to take out minds off alleged political corruption is a nice new tram line.
64

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13/01/2008 23:06:57
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