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Published Date: 30 November 2008
THE only surviving Mumbai terrorist was ordered to "kill until the last breath", it was reported last night.
Azam Amir Kasab told interrogators that he and nine others hoped to take as many as 5,000 lives during last week's bloody attack on India's commercial capital, during which they planned to blow up the Taj Mahal Palace hotel.

The Pakistani has repo
rtedly admitted that he and his fellow killers targeted Britons and Americans in their two-day rampage.

Kasab allegedly told investigators: "I have done right. I have no regrets."

His story, relayed from sources inside the Mumbai Police,

revealed that the 10 terrorists had trained in the mountains of Kashmir for five months, carefully planning every detail of their "operation". The team even learned how to carry out a marine assault, allowing them to creep into Mumbai by boat.

Sources close to the Mumbai Police said Kasab had outlined plans to blow up the Taj Mahal Palace hotel, one of India's architectural icons, after executing all British and American guests. However, the terrorists underestimated the strength of the hotel building, which was put up 105 years ago during the British Raj.

The terrorists, according to leaked accounts of Kasab's interrogation, had researched Mumbai and the Taj Mahal Palace hotel before the attack, visiting as students.

He claimed, reports citing police said, that the attackers had used the trip to identify what they called "strike locations" and to familiarise themselves with city roads.

Kasab was not one of the four-man group that attacked the Taj. He and another man headed for Mumbai's main commuter railway station, where they mowed down dozens of people with their Kalashnikov automatic rifles.

The terrorists were also armed with hand grenades and automatic pistols.

Kasab said the terrorists kept in touch with each other using BlackBerries.

The attacker, described by Indian police as "baby-faced", also outlined how he and the others came to Mumbai by sea from Karachi. He said a friend, named as 25-year-old Abu Ismail, was a trained sailor and had steered a boat across the Arabian Gulf using GPS equipment.

The 10 attackers eventually transferred to speed boats and rubber dinghies to make the final trip to the Gateway of India, the Victorian port of Mumbai.

After attacking the railway station, Kasab and another terrorist hijacked a police 4x4, killing the two officers inside. Kasab told investigators he had also attacked a petrol station and blown up a taxi before being stopped.

Kasab was the only terrorist to be taken alive – and only because he pretended to be dead when Indian commandos overcame him. Officers only noticed he was living when they saw him breathing in an ambulance on the way to a city morgue. The killer was taken to hospital with minor injuries. He reportedly told medical staff: "I do not want to die. Please put me on saline."

Meanwhile, UK security services were last night still trying to determine whether British Muslims had been involved in the Mumbai massacre.

Reports that seven of the gunmen had links to Britain created feverish speculation about the origins of the terrorists and led to police and security services analysing their intelligence to find out whether any had lived in, or visited, the UK.

Yesterday, the Foreign Office said there was "no evidence" yet to suggest any of the terrorists were connected to Britain.

According to one report, four of the terrorists, two of whom are dead, had spent time in the UK.

In another account, Vilasrao Deshmukh, the chief minister of Maharashtra state – of which Mumbai is the capital – was reported to have said that two Pakistanis of British descent were among the terrorists.

But a spokesman for the Foreign Office said: "We have spoken to Indian authorities at a high level and they have said that there is no evidence that any of the terrorists, either captured or dead, are British."

Referring to the comments reportedly made by Deshmukh, he said: "He said no such thing either publicly or privately."

Speculation linking the attackers with Bradford, West Yorkshire, was dismissed by the Leeds-based Counter Terrorism Unit. And Cleveland Police said they had no information about any suspect coming from Hartlepool.

According to security agencies, more than 4,000 British Muslims have passed through terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan, joining groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, the prime suspects for the attacks. This potentially fertile recruitment pool for the Islamist international jihad has inflamed claims of British involvement.

Brigadier Ed Butler, a former commander of the British troops in Helmand, southern Afghanistan, said: "There is a link between Kandahar and urban conurbations in the UK. This is something that the British military understands but the British public does not."

Last year, RAF Nimrod intelligence-gathering aircraft tracking Taliban radio signals in Afghanistan heard insurgent fighters speaking with Yorkshire and Midlands accents.

After speaking with India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Gordon Brown said there was no suggestion of a British link at the moment.

He added: "At no point has the Prime Minister of India suggested to me that there is evidence at this stage of any terrorist of British origins, but obviously these are huge investigations that are being done and I think that it will be premature to draw any conclusions at all."

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith also said UK authorities had "no knowledge" of any British links with the massacre.

A team of detectives from Scotland Yard is flying to Mumbai to help Indian authorities with the investigation.





The full article contains 931 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 30/11/2008 02:06:01
There may well be a British link. Many UK born muslims still retain close ties and affinities with their muslim brothers and sisters in other countries. The way to deal with this is not to react with hysteria and blame all muslims for the terrorist atrocities. We have to look at what is behind the surface of these events.

First of all, the notion that muslims are driven to commit suicide to redeeem their faith is nonsense. The motivations behind these and other attacks is political, not religious.

Secondly, we need to take our blinkers off and look at it from the other guys point of view. Although no form of terrorism is ever acceptable and cannot be condoned.

But the grievances fanning the terrorist camps, and eating into a tiny minority of Islamic minds is real.

Before we condemn others, let's look at what we have done - like re-elect the Blair Government even after it was realised that the invasion of Iraq was based on a lie.

It's not an easy subject, but the only way that this will be resolved is through mutual understanding, not hate. We can't fight fire with fire, that doesn't work.
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Finlang,

France 30/11/2008 02:29:40
"Speculation linking the attackers with Bradford, West Yorkshire, was dismissed by the Leeds-based Counter Terrorism Unit. And Cleveland Police said they had no information about any suspect coming from Hartlepool."

So far, so good.

"According to security agencies, more than 4,000 British Muslims have passed through terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan, joining groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, the prime suspects for the attacks. This potentially fertile recruitment pool for the Islamist international jihad has inflamed claims of British involvement."

Getting closer.

'Brigadier Ed Butler, a former commander of the British troops in Helmand, southern Afghanistan, said: "There is a link between Kandahar and urban conurbations in the UK. This is something that the British military understands but the British public does not.'

Closer still ...

"Last year, RAF Nimrod intelligence-gathering aircraft tracking Taliban radio signals in Afghanistan heard insurgent fighters speaking with Yorkshire and Midlands accents."

As near the bone as most in UK will be aware of.

"After speaking with India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Gordon Brown said there was no suggestion of a British link at the moment."

The blundering idiot Brown speaks at last ... and his simpering on-message Home Secretary follows on in this report ...

'Home Secretary Jacqui Smith also said UK authorities had "no knowledge" of any British links with the massacre.'

No knowledge ... Yup. Says it all.

Intelligence/security services apparently have knowledge, police outfits and government evidently have not. Does that make you feel comfortable in your bed?


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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 30/11/2008 02:38:17
These will be the same intelligence/security services who made up the lies that justified the invasion of Iraq.
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W Smith,

Middle East 30/11/2008 02:52:00
Don't expect Salmond to tell it like it is.

According to his oh-so-clever supporters the muslim terrorist attack in Bali in 2002 was in response to the invasion of Iraq in 2003!

Brilliant - in a devious, upatriotic, snivelling, treacherous way.

BTW
Salmond can be heard clearly during this kiddy-on interview with Osama Saeed denying that the MAB has connections with the Jihadists.

At the same time he manages to giggle away like a wee lassie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VQM67Xdvx4
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 30/11/2008 03:22:39
#1 Observer

"Before we condemn others, let's look at what we have done - like re-elect the Blair Government even after it was realised that the invasion of Iraq was based on a lie."

So you are saying we should change who we vote for to make the terrorists happy?

So which political party do you thinks is the most "Jihadi Friendly"?

I personally, believe that the invasion of Iraq was a major strategic blunder.

We would have been a better friend to America if we had told them how stupid this was, that was the general consensus of opinion in both the intelligence community and the foreign office.

Unfortunately that was overridden by the Blair Government.

But to blame ourselves for this is stupid.

There are many other ethnic and religious groups with just as strong sense of victim hood.

They however don't resort to mass killing sprees to bring attention to their grievences.

Failing to recognize this as a problem unique to the Muslim community is just be politically correct to the detriment of finding a solution.

There are 7 million Muslims in Britian, of whom 4,000 have opted for terrorist training.

The Muslim community must change to make this kind of behaviour completely unacceptable.

If they can't or won't then they have no place in Modern Society based on the rule of law.

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Markie71,

India 30/11/2008 03:58:41
So who carried out the July 7th 2005 attacks in London. Let me think British Muslims, Oh and the attempted attacks on 21st July 2005. So lets get real here, this is a massive problem and until the muslim community accept that and rid these people from our society well nothing will change...
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 30/11/2008 04:21:37
#2 Finlang

"Intelligence/security services apparently have knowledge, police outfits and government evidently have not."

This is nothing more than willful blindness by the Labour Government to curry favour and votes from the Muslim Community.

While Observer blames people who voted for Blair as the cause of Terrorism, I wonder how he reconciles the fact that the Vast Majority of the Muslim Community also voted for Labour.

I guess their grievences over Iraq aren't as important as Labours uncontrolled immigration policy.
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Kenny A,

30/11/2008 05:47:33
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Laudible sentiments but forget them. These people murder indiscrimanatly, woman and childern as well as men. It is written in the not as I look at it now holy Koran to convert by the sword if need be. A question that springs to my mind is how do you convert the dead.

These people are gunning for serious trouble in the name of a God who I am sure is pissed of to the hilt with them.

What did these animals achieve barring a fairly proffesional strike against a not top flight military establishment, nearly 200 dead, nine maryters who I am sure are not in line for the 72 virgins promised because virgins are well out of stock and basicaly a coward who did not even have the courage of his misguided and monsterous counterparts who at least went down fighting, even if it was for misguided and sickining beliefs.

Enough turning the other cheek, start hitting back and do it hard, fast and without a shread of mercy and compassion, the same way these people carried out their attacks. That would lower us to their level though would it not?

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WKKB,

30/11/2008 08:27:50
and THIS is precisely why so many people find it so hard to trust people who look like these terrorists... insomuch as they have the same skin colour, eyes and hair colour and dress relatively the same. These terrorists went over as students, looking innocent enough but with an evil plan on their minds. I have trouble dealing with Dr's at the hospital because so many of them are Asian and we all know it was an Asian Dr who tried to murder innocent bystanders at the Glasgow Airport. How many british lives did he save as a Dr here and it was ALL part of a larger plan to KILL innocent people.
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W Smith,

Middle East 30/11/2008 08:51:21
Good article in todays Telegraph by a muslim!

Ed Hussain is the ex-jihadist who said the SNP's Osama Saeed was a "bad apple".

STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH, EH SALMOND?

The article is entitled "TIP TOEING ROUND EXTREMISTS WILL NOT MAKE BRITAIN A SAFER PLACE"

"...In Britains most prominent mosque, in Regents Park, there are meetings every weekend of a group dedicated to an Islamic dictarship, destroying Israel, and which advocates Islamic supremacist views. These lines will be read. Nothing will be done.

Muslims leaders will remain as ostriches, and wider society will not 'interfere', lest we cause 'offence'...."

You know things are bad in Scotland when you get more sense out of an ex-jihadist than Salmond, Brown and any MSP you'd care to mention.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/30/do3004.xml
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

30/11/2008 09:23:25
We have freedom of speech in this country-or we should have. If some people want to dislike Israel then they should be allowed to do so. If some people want to take sides in the civil conflict in India-they should be allowed to do so. As long as they abide by our laws. My personal view is that we are very unwise to get involved in conflicts abroad.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 30/11/2008 09:41:13
4 - It is commonly understood that the 2002 attacks in Bali were a strike at the US, and Australia (after their role in East Timor). As is usual messages were relayed to explain the atrocity, one on Al Jazeera said

''You will be kiled just as you kill, and will be bombed just as you bomb''.

5. The IRA were not muslims. And the Irish as a whole were not guilty of blowing people up. It was only political action that stopped that from happening, not a military solution, that didn't work.

6. Yes, it was British muslims who carried out the 2005 attacks. In a message left before he died, the leader of the group said that for as long as we continued to elect politicians like Blair who brought terror to muslims, they would bring terror to us.

8 We have already treated muslim countries without a shred of compassion or mercy. You just don't get it do you ? They are hitting back at us.

These groups do not attack on a random basis and they are not motivated by religion. These attacks are political in nature, and they are carried out in response to actions taken by the US, and it's allies. If we want to remain an ally of the US and behave as we have done in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in our support for Israel, then we are going to remain targets for terrorist activity. It's as simple as that.






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Brideun,

Culloden 30/11/2008 09:57:52
Saddam Hussein shot himself in the foot when he boasted to the world that he had weapons of massed destruction. He believed that this fiction ( if it was?) would be a deterrent to the democratic countries and he would be free to continue the murder of his citizens. Thus came the liberation of Iraq ( not invasion - see Hitler and Stalin - big difference ) unfortunately where it became unstuck was the naive expectation that the removal of Saddam would bring peace and gratitude to the liberators. The Iraq situation is costly and thankless and of little benefit to anyone but began through the belief that there were WMD's.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 30/11/2008 11:04:44
16 Please tell me you are not stupid enough to believe that. The invasion of Iraq was planned a long time before it actually happened and WMD had sod all to do with it.
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Ugly George,

30/11/2008 11:37:06
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"These attacks are political in nature, and they are carried out in response to actions taken by the US, and it's allies"

That is a rather simplistic view. There has been a series of terrorist attacks in India recently. These appear to be related to the situation in Kashmir where ther is a conflict between Muslims and Hindus. One of the terrorists in Mumbai apparently made this very claim.

There have also been attacks by Muslim extremists in Nigeria, Holland, France, the Phillipines and a host of other places. They threatened attacks against Denmark because somebody there published a cartoon of Mohammad.

These people are fanatics who continually seek out reasons for their atrocities. Even if the policies in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine were changed tomorrow they would merely find yet another reason to attack.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 30/11/2008 11:41:47
Read this article and you will see who on these threads is irrelevant!

inrepair.net/2008/01/20/why-the-peaceful-majority-is-irrelevant

Interesting and thought provoking
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 30/11/2008 11:43:42
The trouble in Nigeria is between the inhabitants, who are mainly Christian and the late comers who are Muslim.Sound familiar?
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tommy,

belfast uk 30/11/2008 12:05:41
I am amazed that there still exists a mentality that blames the victims by trying to excuse the perpetrators.
but then this seems to go hand in hand with an ignorance of islamic texts, so next time you meet a muslim who says "we can all live together in equality and peace" --he himself may believe this-- but in fact in islam he would be regarded as an apostate or practising taqiyya if he was deliberately lying
The koran and the hadith forbid equality between the kafir and the muslim
Bear in mind that there have been 12,334 attacks by muslims since 9/11
Qur'an, Sura 9:29

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AS Well,

Oxford 30/11/2008 12:07:43
This is an informative article. I was surprised to read that merely 10 men brought about all this horror and damage.
What has not been discussed or yet revealed is who financed this operation?
Look at the list of expensive things used times ten: Blackberries, arms, grenades, GPS, inflatable speed boats, and so forth.
Who is behind supplying, training, and materials?
Go to the source and wipe it out!
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 30/11/2008 12:16:08
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"There are many groups who could benefit from staging a terror raid and blaming it on muslim fundamentalists"

How would they "benefit" by staging a terrorist act and blaming it on somebody else?
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tommy,

belfast uk 30/11/2008 12:32:10
to dragonhead at 21

I have just read the item on the link you provided
Thought provoking to say the least.
Sadly we have a government who have not the least bit of interest in identifying the idealogy that fuels these attacks instead preferring to ignore the history and practise of this idealogy whilst attempting to buy it off


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Observer. 1,

30/11/2008 12:56:27
20 George I was commenting on the possibility of some of the attackers being UK born. I know it is a complex situation globally, but contrary to what some posters say muslims do not roam around blowing people up on a random basis. In a UK context Iraq is the key.
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ExpatBackinScotland,

Carnoustie 30/11/2008 13:12:33
To be honest, the troubles in the Middle East and IndoPak areas stems from several sources.

Uk and America

UK Colonised them - Im sure they were pleased about that and have no grudeges about it.

Palestine was carved up by UK and America after ww2 as a place for dispalced jews, they called it "Israel". We didnt ask the Palestinains what they thought, we just carved their lands to pieces.

If thats not bad enough, theyve spent the last 50 odd year nationless, virtually prisoners in their own lands, controlled by Israel, who are allies with....?

UK and USA.

So its fair to say the Palestinans have a right to be cheesed off with us for starters.

Sunni v Sh-iite

In many arab countries, such as Saudi, the Shi-ites are oppressed and there is virtual apartheid. A shi-ite cant get a high position in Saudi because the Royals are scared of an uprising...and yes, Ive lived there, which is how I can say this.

Invasion of a Soverign Nation (on a lie)

Ok, one run by a nutter, but a nartion state none the less. The Weapons of Mass Deception never showed up and the Sunnis (remember they are the muslims who control things) are all up in arms because they are not in charge any more.

But hey, weve got Oil,s o its not all that bad.

India v Pakistan re Kashmir

Then we get to the fact the Indians and Pakistanis dont get on all too well because of Kashmir.

Its fair to say its a "volatile" and "complicated" region, but I dont think we can hoestly say UK and USA are the good guys and the others are the bad buys any more, after the damage theyve done. You can never JUSTIFY what has happened in Mumbai but you can UNDERSTAND it.

I have a fake Australian Passport (I got it in mexico). I never ever use it but its my "get out of death free card", because when they ask for Brits and Americans Ill be able to get out of it.

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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 30/11/2008 13:18:05
31 The Australians aren't too popular either - look at Bali.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 30/11/2008 13:33:35
#3 Observer 1
You do the intelligence community a disservice. It wasn't they who said there were WMDs, just that there might be. It was #10 and the White House that said there were definitely WMDs
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 30/11/2008 13:43:22
34 - no the intelligence community knew there were no WMD. They allowed themselves to be compromised for political reasons.
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Paul46,

Edinburgh 30/11/2008 13:57:06
This is what I love about Scotland. Sing the wrong song at a football game and end up in court as a bigot. Muslims preach killing whites and nobody cares because they are not Catholic or Protestant. If Smith or Strachan said kill all opposing fans they would be out of work and in jail.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 30/11/2008 15:11:27
I am NOT supporting the terrorist principle but we must acknowledge that it is no different from those employed in the past and present by our own military - i.e. "hit" economic targets (e.g. tourist resorts - tourists and hotels, night clubs, restaurants, the WTC, etc), hit any target that supports the "enemy" government or regime including civilians, attempt to destroy civilian morale and thereby pressure the people the civilians elected to buckle. Isn't this precisely what we did whenh bombing Dresden and other German cities, and they tried to do to us when they bomber London, Coventry, etc? Isn't this what we did when we destroyed the Iraqi infrastructure, and their broadcasting services? Etc. Terrorist tactics are not just confined to "fanatics" - they are also employed by the mainstream, like the UK and USA.

The irony is that the "terrorists" who attack us do so out of a sense of grevance against us. Their resolve is sharpened by what they feel we do to them. So, why do they imagine we will buckle any more than they have done when they attack us? No one will wind this war. They will never defeat us and we will never defeat them.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 30/11/2008 15:24:59
#36 Observer1

No, the intelligence community didn't allow themselves to by compromised. They are not independent. They have to do what they are told to do, like all government employees. Yet in spite of that, they DID communicate in the public domain that there was no evidence to substantiate the claim that there were WMDs. They probably let this out to distance themselves from the false claims of the UK and US governments. Understandable, they didn't want to be "the fall guys" especially at a time when they were looking for greater resources for their work! Then, as now, they will be highly sensitive about making mistakes, so they sure as hell wouldn't have wanted to be smeared for a mistake that was not there doing.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 30/11/2008 15:30:32
#40 sm
I agree 100%. Moreover, I feel these "wars on terrorism" or "rogue state police actions" are smokes screens for some in power to disguise their real agenda. But then, I'm an old cynic!
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 30/11/2008 15:50:32
41 They allowed Campbell to compile the dodgy dossier. That has done more harm to the reputation of the intelligence community than any spy could dream of. That's quite dangerous, because suppose they do come up with some credible evidence ? No one will believe them.
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Scunnert,

30/11/2008 16:38:15
GLADIO
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Louisa,

Perth 30/11/2008 18:23:31
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re - "Gladio", I suppose we'll never know - but it appears to have an established record of mayhem and perhaps it has ventured into the Islamist world? But it is sinister that some seem to get away with covert meeting and plotting so as not to arouse the suspect ethic of political correctness while others are easy targets when attempting to uncover suspicious 'goings on' in leaks etc. I wonder how many of us have Stasi-type files compiled due to our presumed bias in media comment sections etc.? With the Herald having cut its nose off to spite its face with its 'Heraldgag' section - free speech and the right to reply established in the Press Complaints Commission but ignored by the The Herald's political **** retention - the public voice may ironically become (hopefully) more vociferous - even if it means de-camping to the Scotsman!
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the.ally ,

max. 30/11/2008 18:43:55
The police are scum.

All the police in Scotland are functionally criminalising the Scots populace.

The criminal justice system in Scotland is completely 'criminal', and a disgrace to be so unfit for purpose. The police in Scotland have been led to believe by their superiors they are allowed to 'filter out' evidence and important information. The lord advocate to scotland elish angiolini has given all 8 police chiefs in scotland the 'nod' to do this practice because it practically criminalises all of Scotland's masses. The sheriffs get this perverted evidence at court and immediately convicts because of the 'filtering-out' and bastardisation of the evidence the police and the english crown prosecution office put in front of the sheriffs. The ordinary citizen in Scotland stands no chance of getting a fair trial in Scotland because scotland's lord advocate elish angiolini tells the 8 police chiefs in scotland to 'fit' the evidence for a conviction, thus the prosecution office in scotland take these pervertyed case files to sheriff courts, and the sheriffs see no other evidence but the completely 'fitted-up' evidence.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 30/11/2008 20:54:59
#44 Observer. 1

I see what you are getting at but IMO the intelligence community are recognised as having a clean pair of pants in this case, whereas the other folk have showed their true colours at the time (and since with their retribution financial squeeze upon the BBC, its changed leadership and the Quislings decimation of the News & Current Affairs department that revealed the "dodginess" in the dossier.)
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Nellie,

Liverpool 30/11/2008 21:02:51
#47 the.ally

So who would you call if your wife was being raped by a gang of thugs? Who would you call if your car had been stolen? Who would you call if you saw a Post Office being robbed? Who would you call if your child was kidnapped off the street? Who would you call if you saw and old lady being mugged? Who would you call? The Scouts? The Boys Brigade? Maybe The Womens' Institute? What about the Citizens' Advice Bureau? Or, maybe you'd dial 999 and ask The Scum for their help ...
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tommy,

belfast uk 01/12/2008 08:44:02
Proof that the government has totally lost any direction it had--

http://tinyurl.com/64pquc

5,000 Pak butchers to get jobs in UK
By Asif Mehmood

LONDON - Over 5,000 butchers from Pakistan would get employment in the halal meat industry of UK through Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed between National Halal Foods Group (NHFG) of UK and Overseas Employment Cooperation of Pakistan. The MoU has been signed here at the Pakistan High Commission, London Friday.
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Kenny A,

01/12/2008 09:02:46
8 and 15 in particular

YES GENTS I DO GET IT. I ALSO AM NOT IN ANY WAY PRO ISRALI, RACIEST IN ANY WAY BUT LOOK AT THINGS FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE. AS FOR THE MUSLIMS HITTING BACK LOOK AT THE 9/11 WHICH HAS ESCALATED EVERYTHING. AFGANISTAN AND THE GULF FOLLOWED THIS IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN.

I also believe that in Gulf War 1, Desert storm or Operation Grandy depending which main Army you served with at the time, the forces went in to liberate Kuwait, from a sort of Islamic Dicator who got his neck streached in due course. I am also aware that for a number of years he got serious backing from the US, UK, France and to a big extent Switzerland, and lets not forget Dr Gerald Bull of Canada who was building such a whacking big gun it could probably have sent satilites into orbit.

Now he was a smart SOB whos knowhow has only been utilised by Isreal and South Africa, as far as I am aware.

Give me any justification for what happened in Mumbai, and I will listen. I doubt if there is any possible.



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Kenny A,

01/12/2008 09:08:07
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Ballesed up my last post it was no 9 not 8 I think but comment has been deleted, did not think it that bad. Also agree with you on following US policy so perhaps not that far apart in views after all.

I also see there is not much comments regarding the chaos in Jos, Nigeria, makes Mumbai look tame.
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tommy,

belfast uk 01/12/2008 09:18:19
I wonder just how many posters here would attempt to justify this---

http://tinyurl.com/6frj3y
The other doctor, who had also conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: "Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again," he said.
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I wonder why guys like these always seem to torture their victims first







54

Kenny A,

01/12/2008 09:26:09
53

Tommy, good comment and well recieved by me at least. I think it is the nature of the beast, and these people did it to put across a point, however unforgivable in is. I would suggest if you wish to read about a true lunatic check up on (General Butt Naked) of Liberia, now this one is scarily unnnnnnsane big style.
55

tommy,

belfast uk 01/12/2008 10:23:48
Kenny,
you know some people are of the daft opinion that these killers at the hotel may have been influenced by
Qur'an 9:111
"Allah has purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs in return is the garden of Paradise: they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain..."

sheesh-did you ever

and regarding general butt -- evil personified

56

Scimitar1,

01/12/2008 10:45:30
Every time we hear of these muslim atrocities we can always rely on the politically correct BBC to paper over the cracks. "India's 9/11" to be renamed a "Local South Asian" conflict and the Pakistani muslim terrorists , "militants".
57

Kenny A,

02/12/2008 11:11:03
55 Tommy, Yip suns it up.

Butt Naked makes mockery of Human decency, something different without a doubt, and he is now a Christian minister, so he claims.

Kenny Angus
58

celtic4,

USA 09/08/2009 15:29:48
#34 I believe you are being a bit over the top here. A fake passport? Aw, come on now. Don't you thing you're taking this a bit too far? Why not just MOVE to Australia, then the wee passport can be a REAL one. Problem solved.

 

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