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Ambitious McGhee ready for the Hearts challenge



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Published Date: 25 May 2008
LONG BEFORE Hearts made their approach on Friday, there had been a sense of the inevitable.
From the moment Mark McGhee started piecing together the kind of season which has seen Motherwell qualify for Europe for the first time in 13 years, there had been a sharpening twinge of dread in the minds of the Fir Park board and supporters. From t
he moment he was touted for the Scotland job by people in the know and ramped up to favourite for the position by the punters at the bookies, there was probably no escaping it.

Which is why the decision by the Motherwell hierarchy to refuse Hearts permission to speak with a man they have under contract for another season cannot be viewed as anything other than an attempt to gain a higher compensation package when he does finally go.

Speaking privately, they have acknowledged that their intransigence will not help them keep hold of a prize asset who is determined to improve his stock further. But, even in terms of their own fans, they cannot be seen to concede defeat too easily given the turnaround in fortune McGhee has precipitated since joining the club in June last year and his popularity with the Motherwell support.

When Scotland held talks with him he made it clear his loyalties lay with Motherwell until the end of the season. At a time when they needed him on and off the pitch, he gave them his commitment. But that time has come and gone and, without actually spelling it out, McGhee has made it clear he is open to bigger offers and fresh challenges. And while UEFA Cup football may excite the fans, the allure is diluted for an ambitious manager who is only too well aware of his squad's likely limitations at that level. Besides, for a guy with more rungs on the career ladder to climb, the most important thing is profile.

For all his successes down south, the fact they came further down the pecking order of football's elite deem them almost non-applicable up here when it comes to the top jobs. He has served his long apprenticeship with parochial clubs but now he needs to step it up. He is probably privy to more than most when it comes to the thoughts of his close friend Gordon Strachan so the fact he is considering the high-risk option offered up by Hearts suggests there will be no vacancy at Celtic Park this summer. That is one he is undoubtedly working towards for the future. In the meantime, Hibs, Aberdeen and Dundee United are not on the lookout for managerial staff, leaving only Hearts if he is looking at a club with greater potential than the one he is already at.

Following on from Motherwell's refusal to permit official talks with the capital side, he will quit this week and, if the Gorgie club's negotiators continue to make all the correct assurances, he will be unveiled as the latest in what has been a long list of coaches and caretaker bosses at Tynecastle since the days of George Burley. His assistant Scott Leitch is expected to follow.

It is seen by many as a high-risk strategy for a manager already well-regarded but it is undoubtedly a well-thought-out one and while the stakes are high, the rewards could be worth it. It was Burley's ability to assemble a squad, through his own contacts, and with Vladimir Romanov's apparent financial backing, which served to undermine the Old Firm's dominance and stoke the belief they could be vulnerable should anyone launch a concerted attack throughout a league campaign, which will entice McGhee. What better way to impress either the Celtic board or Premier League sides than finally upsetting the status quo in Scotland.

He is aware of the behind-the-scenes machinations at Hearts but the £350,000 contract makes it a worthwhile gamble. He has done his homework and knows that Romanov has been taking a slightly less autocratic interest in team matters. In statements pertaining to the search for a new manager, Hearts claimed they wanted someone who knew the British scene and someone who would have full responsibility for team selection and while the dictatorship is nowhere near becoming a democracy, enough has obviously been said to imbue McGhee with the belief that he can either be protected from interference or be forceful enough himself to withstand it.

For all the Hearts job has the capacity to age and even break managers, in many ways it is a win-win situation. At the moment, the only way is up for a club which finished in the bottom six in the SPL, while the hefty wages are written into the contract, so even if there are irreconcilable differences and the job fails to last, there will be personal recompense – even if, like Burley it takes a couple of years of fighting through the courts. If that happens, he is unlikely to shoulder the blame.

However, should he succeed where so many have failed, the boost to his reputation will be significant. It's a risk but a calculated one and for an ambitious manager such as McGhee, nothing whets the appetite quite as much as a challenge.



The full article contains 887 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

theburnleyjambo,

25/05/2008 01:02:39
lets hope that vlad see since and gives mark what he requires to take the position
i might think about renewing my ticket next season even though it cost me more than £90 a game to use my seat this season
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Fit o' the walk Jambo,

25/05/2008 02:14:04
If Mcghee does come then he'll get a nice transfer budget and get rid of the deadwood.His appointment would also show Vlad taking a real backseat as McGhee would need assurances on his contract to keep Vlad away from team selections.I still think Vlad will maybe offer McGhee a player or two but no way would McGhee tolerate Vlad trying to interfere with team selections.
This would be a great move for the club and get back the stability re the Burley era very quickly!! Bring it on!!
3

The Future's Maroon,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 02:35:07
Wonder how the Sunday papers will report all this?!
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jambocanuck,

Burnaby BC 25/05/2008 06:06:26
Yes even McGhee would be a godsend if he could pick his own team sans interference from Vlad the Impaler! Let us hope all this comes true!! Sweet dreams.....
5

UrbanFox,

25/05/2008 07:02:23
Yes, McGhee you would be welcomed to Tynecastle but dont accept unless:

You get a written contract stating no interference in team selection from Moronov and his puppets.

You state right from the beginning that success will only be achieved if there is a big clearout of all the deadwood. The Lithuanian players have to go.
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Vincent Vega,

Mullholland Drive 25/05/2008 07:27:12
From a Hibs fan this will be a good appointment for Hearts and providing Vlad lets him get on with things with minimal interference I'm sure he will do well.

As for all the posters yesterday saying Hibs fans will be bricking it, wishful thinking to the extreme, Hibs will improve again next season and will remain above Hearts once more.
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John H,

edinburgh 25/05/2008 08:53:26
Success in England. Where? Sacked from the three positions he held.
One thing though , he is made of modern management stock.
Talking to prospective employers without permission from his current employers.A hefty fine for Hearts could be on the cards for obvious tapping. As for Mark Macgee, he seems to have no intregrity whatsoever.
Just another over rated money grabbing oportunist.
Same as Vlad really.
Good luck, you lot will need it.
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Albert Kidd's 86 allstars,

Melbourne 25/05/2008 09:06:55
If, as looks increasingly likely, MM does become the new Hearts manager, it will mean an end to all the turmoil on the pitch that Hearts fans have been made to suffer this past season or two.

I have two questions for Jambo's out there though;

1. WHat if the McGee deal falls through? Nobody seems to be contemplating this slim possibility on these threads, but the repercussions from that outcome would be probably too much for any decent supporter to bear...
2. What happens if McGee comes in and fails to make any significant dent in the SPL? WIll Vlad kick him out after half a season if Hearts are in say, 4th or 5th at Christmas? I guess that hypothetical is also best left uncontemplated...

Anyhoo, good luck with your new man, whoever that might be, we do need tw strong sides in Embra to help take on the dual shame of Scotland from the west...
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scorchio,

West of the Pecos 25/05/2008 09:45:27
#8 You know whats coming mate,I'm sure you knew in the back of your mind what the first reply to you would be..."What If"?
What if my auntie had balls?
No, we are aware that it is not a done deal yet, but we are clinging on to hope, because Campbell Ogilvy is driving this project. However uncertain it might be just now, We Will Get A New Manager.
WHEN that happens me and a few thousand others will renew our S.T's.
I am reliable informed there is a meeting being prepared for Monday.
All will be revealed then I hope.
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25/05/2008 09:56:10
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25/05/2008 09:57:13
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Starchief,

25/05/2008 09:58:32
McGhee - a true mercenary. Leaves his virtually promoted to the EPL team for one about to be relegated. Hearts fans - this will be a struggle. Should he do well, he'll be off to the next contract like a fox chasing a rabbit. Should he fail, he'll drain every last cent from his contract.

Would this have been a great appointment before this season? Look how well John Collins did in his first. Would you want him after his half a second season? McGhee's a legend in his own lunchtime. This will easily be his biggest test.
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NYC Hibee,

edinburgh 25/05/2008 10:27:32
McGhee would certainly lift Hearts again and get them moving back in the right direction. Soon followed no doubt by the 'split the OF' and 'Euro Glory' claims.

No such thing as loyality in football whatever the level so you can't blame him for moving. Motherwell have to reject any approach to back up their claim for compensation.
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MAROON TOON,

25/05/2008 10:28:31
#11# Here,Here!

JJT, Your spot on mate. Only the sad Hobo's could make a negative out a positive.

You can almost smell their trepidation! Yes this could all go T!T's up, if it happens great, it's a huge step in the right direction for HMFC.

The club is in a mess, it will take time to turn it round, and if that takes two seasons or more then so be it. Even with all the turmoil, Hearts are only within spitting distance from the Flair team.
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NBJT,

North Berwick 25/05/2008 10:33:45
A lot of jealousy being written on this thread from fans of the 'wee team'!

One comment states, rather patronising, that it would be good for Edinburgh to have 2 strong teams! When was the last time that Hibs were a strong team? Winning the egg cup doesn't really count!

As for MM coming to Tynecastle, I dont think anyone could argue that this is not a good move for the JT's. Time of course will tell. If he brings success to Hearts and does move on then whoever takes him will have to pay a hefty compensation package. Its a win, win situation!

107 years in a row.
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 10:39:07
Not had a chance to comment recently, to busy "bricking it", apparently.

At the end of the day if McGhee does go to Hearts, which appears likely, is anyone really convinced Vlad will be able to keep his oar out? Really?



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NBJT,

North Berwick 25/05/2008 10:53:54
*16

Yes MM will not come unless he has full ownership of team affairs.

VR will still have a say in signings. Directors/owners at every club in UK have a say in who they sign so this is not an issue.

If you want to knock this appointment, and you abviously have nother better to do, then please come up with something stronger than this!

107 in a row!!!
18

Starchief,

25/05/2008 11:00:43
#15 Well, I'm neither a Hibs nor Hearts fan but Hearts have come above Hibs only 3 times in the last 5 seasons. Both of your teams won one trophy in the 90s and another in the 2000s. Hardly, overwhelming dominance.

Having said that, I'd love there to be strong Edinburgh teams, as well as a strong New Firm again. Heck, I just want a stronger league that's a bit more interesting than what we've had for years.

Will McGhee be the man? He's got a chance (although all this seems to be based on one potential flash-in-the-pan season) but I'm extremely doubtful Vlad will butt out. Be great to have (at least) 3 teams challenging but history tells me Vlad won't allow it.
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Starchief,

25/05/2008 11:01:47
#18 Is this a wind-up? Can this really be a reason for being removed?
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 11:06:52
Not what I asked, NBJT.

I'm sure McGhee won't come unless he is told that he will have full control. But will Vlad be able to do this?

Do you see the difference?

And where did I "knock this appointment"?

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Away down in Gorgie,

25/05/2008 11:13:01
McGHEE is coming - 100%. I posted this in Feb on these very pages.

The club needs a huge lift and McGhee will provide this.

As for the Hibs - well if your happy with Shrek then I am!!!!
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NBJT,

North Berwick 25/05/2008 11:15:07
# 21

Will Vlad be able to do this ?

This is an easy one. If VR breaks the contract MM walks away with a hefty payment!

For goodness sake, MM is not yet the Hearts manager! Is there not a site for 'wee team' supporters where you can post such garbage?

107 years in a row.
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25/05/2008 11:34:15
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 11:46:56
Jeez, I know you're not the brightest but PLEASE PAY ATTENTION.

"Will Vlad be able to do this ?

This is an easy one. If VR breaks the contract MM walks away with a hefty payment!" And you are back to square one.

Whether or not there is a clause in the contract and what happens if it is broken is not what i'm asking. ( You with me so far? )

Do you think that no interference is likely? If vlad has learnt from his mistakes and stays out of it then it would appear to be a good appointment, McGhee must have something about him to turn an ordinary team into the Motherwell he is choosing to leave.

( Insert petty jibe )







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Starchief,

25/05/2008 11:53:01
#25 No, I didn't. I knew Hibs were above Hearts this season, not for the first time, so checked back the last five seasons as this seemed to be fairly relevant. I could have picked four and said 50:50.
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 11:54:11
A reasonable post, cj, although you couldn't resist the wee did at the end, could you?

If the new stand is going up soon, as appears likely, then I fear we're in for a couple (3?) more years of Petrie parsimony. A depressing thought, certainly.


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LionheartFodithman,

25/05/2008 11:58:54
#19 JT&T

I would beware of Mr Starchief if i where you mate.
Another one commenting on the JT,s who doesnt support anyone in particular....Sounds a bit too familiar dont you think
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Starchief,

25/05/2008 12:18:27
#30 I support ICT (check the CaleyThistleOnline forum if you wish or PieAndBovril). I also like (Scottish) football in general and if I want to comment on a story that concerns non-ICT matters, I shall. Just like I have with the Avrum Grant and Aberdeen stories in this very website.
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 12:22:27
cj

It is only fair to comment on the story in question, no? As this is not an article about the damp squib that was Hibs last few games then why would there be any comments about it?

We never lost to Gretna ( again ), mind. ;-)


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LionheartFodithman,

25/05/2008 12:40:56
#33
Fair enough fella.
Iam sure time will tell if you are one of the moronic types that frequent these boards just on the wind up.
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Starchief,

25/05/2008 12:47:13
Been frequenting these boards for a few months now. A quick look on most Sun-Thu will have some comment by me (probably moronic mind you but relatively unbiased...unless there's an Elgin City news story! Gggrrr!)
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Youngie the hibee,

25/05/2008 13:05:27
a bit of sanity now from me the hibee. McGhee probably will not go to tynecastle because he will be giving up UEFA cup football you stupid yams and where are you lot going to get a 6 figure sum a year to pay for him. Hearts are going to the wall hahahahahahahahahahhahahah

TICK BLOODY TOCK

GGTTH
33

Vincent Vega,

25/05/2008 13:40:02
#39

Just like Hearts being a BIG team is now history.
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Vincent Vega,

25/05/2008 14:02:43
#41

TBH I dont care at all, I support Hibs and don't care if they are big or wee just enjoy them as they are. I suppose if you wanted to support a BIG team it would be easy to follow Rangers or Celtic.

FWIW I have respect for any one from Edinburgh who follows Hibs or Hearts it's folk from the capital who follow the OF I can't stand.
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Youngie the hibee,

25/05/2008 16:42:08
STUPID YAMS YOU WILL NEVER BE THE 'BIG TEAM' AGAIN
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/05/2008 17:05:00
#44 Youngie the hibbee, thanks for taking the name of one of the greatest players ever to grace the famous maroon - Alex Young. We appreciate your support.
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Colin P,

25/05/2008 17:05:57
Good day folks.

Just a couple of possibly pertinent questions regarding Mark McGhee moving to Hearts.

1. Why would he go when he has European football next season with Motherwell? It would be at least another season before he could get there with Hearts, and certainly no guarantee of it happening any time soon.

2. With Hearts recent (3 years or so) record of manager turnovers, would McGhee risk his career to take a position that others have wasted their time in?
Let's face it, Burley had Hearts roaring, until Vlad dismissed him. McGhee is a self-made mad. He won't accept someone in Eastern Europe telling him who to play.
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LionheartFodithman,

25/05/2008 17:22:49
#46

Are you saying that MM is going to turn down the opportunity to manage Hearts then.

If he does take the job then your line of questioning is pretty pointless.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/05/2008 17:25:51
1. Hearts obviously have more long-term potential than Well, who in their best season for ages only get around 5000 fans. That's hardly conducive to getting money to strengthen the team, so their Europe stay is likely to be short with or without McGhee.

2. Where's the risk for McGhee? Burley's now Scotland manager. In any case, the signs are that Romanov can change. He promised to stop making nonsensical comments to the media some time ago and has kept that promise. Likewise, he's followed through with stopping the sale of Tynecastle and pressing ahead with the ground development. Frail had more say in the team than any "manager" since Burley, so the signs are that Romanov CAN keep out of team selection, if not contract disputes which is another issue entirely. MM will not join unless he has guarantees of team control. If Romanov messes with that, MM can walk with no shame and compensation.
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Colin P,

25/05/2008 18:04:34
Easy guys, I was only putting a couple of questions forward.

47. I didn't SAY anything. I asked. I suppose you're right, if he does take the job and Vlad p1sses him off, and he leaves, my question is still pointless.

48. George. Cheers for your constructive comments.

49. victorian. you certainly have the correct nickname with that kind of response. Your assumptions have made an ass of yourself, but isn't that what they say about assuming? I believe you use 'hobos' as a term of endearment for Hibs supporters? Again you assume.
Here's my assumption, lol....you're so bitter because Hearts have had more manager in the last 10 years than all the rest of the SPL put together? Am I correct?

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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 18:09:56
Q. "why would mcghee give up european football..........".

A. Money


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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 18:17:41
Colin! How dare you speak like that to vicky! You obviously don't know that he is the high toad of these forums. Anything said/suggested/asked which does not fit with his way of thinking is immediately dismissed in that impossible-to-imitate scornful, petty, nit-picking, superior ( ha! ), toad-like, obnoxious way.
You may even get a malapropism or two for your troubles.

I suggest you trawl through some old jambo threads to judge the mettle of the man you have chosen to cross and duly give him the respect he is due.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/05/2008 18:21:40
#51 Is that why Hibs gave up European football?
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Colin P,

25/05/2008 18:28:14
52 LOL

I feel a tugging of the forelock coming on....
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Colin P,

25/05/2008 18:28:40
52 LOL

I feel a tugging of the forelock coming on....

Shame I lost my forelock a number of years ago.

;-)
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Bleeding Heart...,

25/05/2008 18:30:41
I still think McGhee's interest in the Hearts job may hinge on whether a vacancy arises at Celtic Park.

However, if that doesn't happen and McGhee is unveiled as Hearts manager, it will only be because he has received the assurances he is reported as (quite rightly)seeking.

Conversely, if he turns Romanov down the inference will be clear: Romanov has either failed to convince McGhee that his assurances are genuine, or has failed to provide the assurances being sought.

If this happens, Romanov will have failed the Hearts fans (yet again) and proved that he isn't fit to be the club's owner.

Romanov is under severe pressure now. If he f***s this up his credibility with his remaining "believers" will be sorely tested - hopefully destroyed!

And if McGhee takes the job, will he be given money to sign quality players? If not, how are Hearts going to challenge the Old Firm..?
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 18:36:19
Erm, sorry George but I don't get that one.

The point I was making was not a dig at Hearts or McGhee, just a statement of fact.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

25/05/2008 18:50:29
#58 I don't agree money is the only motivation although it is a massive one for everyone. Is a couple, at best, of rounds in Europe with Motherwell really going to advance McGhee's career in any way, particularly as it could arguable hinder their league performances without resources to invest in a bigger squad? The challenge at Hearts is arguably much more attractive than a pop at the early rounds of the UEFA Cup, especially for a man who's already successfully played for a club abroad and has a European medal.
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 18:52:18
Vicky, you are an unbelievable pedant.

I suppose, technically, even if everyone in the whole world agrees that something is the case that doesn't necessarily make it a fact.

Well done.

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Jan Cowskaz,

25/05/2008 19:02:50
#58 How I see the situation to the word.
McGhees clarification will be as much for us as it is to McGhee.
This at last is a situation that puts the fans in a position whereby we know what our next step will be for sure.
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 19:16:46
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I agree with all that George - the likelihood of a limited UEFA cup campaign, undoubtedly potential and a challange at Hearts and he's not going to do any more at Motherwell, save a possible cup. Personally I don't think he would have matched the league performance next year if he'd stayed. There have been plenty teams who have played nice football and finished third only to drop back into the pack the following year( ahem ).

My Q/A post was directed more to those who are under the impression that no one would touch Hearts with a bargepole. There HAS been a lot of guff written about why such-and-such wouldnt dream of coming to the Jambos - some of it on the wind up but I'm afraid some it believed.

I have no doubt that Vlad will tell McGhee what he wants to hear, I just wonder whether or not he can actually, physically stop himself from interfering. He cannot be a stupid man and must realise that his meddling cost Hearts a very decent tilt at the title and it has been a steady decline, SC excepted, since then.

Only time will tell.

Hey, say what you want about the jambos but it's never dull. Sorry to disappoint you guys but that is the reason so many Hibbies are always on the Hearts threads - it's just more fun!
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 19:21:55
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well if those are the criteria, vicky, how come all your old posts are still here?

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Guiseppe Tortolano,

25/05/2008 19:28:31
and you do realise that by imitating sir serg's little wheeze it only looks like it applies to your post?
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andyhibee2485,

25/05/2008 19:29:35
Potentially a very decent managerial appointment. Presumably McGhee would only consent to this if he was absolutely certain that he would have complete authority over team affairs and a reasonable budget.

Hearts led by McGhee minus Vlad's meddling but with Vlad's money should in theory be very strong favourites for 3rd spot due to greater financial muscle than Hibs, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen etc.

Could well be after this seasons sufferings Jambos will get their reward after all...oh fiddlesticks.
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Youngie the hibee,

25/05/2008 19:43:56
#45

1) who the hell is he.
2) a lot of people have the surname young
3) if you are implying i am a yam you are sick minded
4) being a hearts fan [shudder] is not smart nor clever
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Bleeding Heart...,

25/05/2008 20:23:54
Sad news about Andy Webster, isn't it? TITTER YE NOT!
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badger,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 21:41:32
#73 Whats the news on webster?

On the article, possitive news from HMFC and MM. Hope things plan out and we can start a fresh
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badger,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 21:42:17
#73 he's not gone and injured himslef again has he? Now that would be such a shame!
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Bleeding Heart...,

25/05/2008 22:51:43
#75 There's an article in this paper...

"ANDY WEBSTER'S desperate run of misfortune over the past two years shows no sign of ending with the defender facing his third operation in 18 months, this time to resolve a hernia problem.
And in revealing the player's latest injury setback, Rangers manager Walter Smith failed to commit the club to a permanent contract for the 26-year-old Scotland internationalist, who has been on loan from Wigan for 18 months but has played only one competitive game".
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badger,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 23:01:06
#76

Cheers mate. Just some back home and have only read this article as it's the only 1 I have a real interest in. Makes me smile after the whole webster gate thing.
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badger,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 23:09:36
#76

Just read it now. Looks like things could go pretty bad for him now. Maybe he reaped what he sowed?
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Bleeding Heart...,

25/05/2008 23:50:03
#78 "Maybe he reaped what he sowed?" Looks like it, doesn't it?!

He can't expect too much sympathy from Hearts fans, that's for sure. I wonder how he'll feel if Waldo decides against signing him after all..?
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badger,

Edinburgh 25/05/2008 23:59:21
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indeed. No sympathy from me. Doesn't sound like waldo will

 

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