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Why I'm wishing my girl many happy returns from cyberspace



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Published Date:
13 January 2008
My daughter has a memory stick. She's nine years old and she has a memory stick. Not only does she have it, she needs it. Apparently the file-sharing component on the server which she accesses via the portal on the school's homepage on the web is having some difficulty in being remotely accessed. I don't really know what any of that means. The frightening thing is that she does. That's why she takes her homework to school on a memory stick.
She sent my wee brother an on-line birthday card last month: she had designed it herself and it took the form of a Powerpoint presentation. It had eight different slides and it played 'Happy Birthday' on the activation of the final one. I didn't actu
ally know we had Powerpoint on the computer. She can even do 'autosum' on 'XL'. Whatever that means.

I know they are the e-generation and all that, but she's only nine. And not being a Luddite, the last thing I wish to do is stand in the way of progress. She has asked if maybe she can have a laptop to help with her schoolwork. Now this is a tricky one. Cyberspace is a big, scary space. I find myself walking a very narrow line in the well-lit boulevards of cyberspace for fear of my computer being infiltrated by rogue elements. I once did an estate agent search for a well-known north London house-seller who went by the name 'Hotblack'. One can only imagine the images that tumbled on to my screen: they were black, and very, very hot; but what they were selling was certainly not property.

I fear for my kids, as so many do; at the thought of them venturing inadvertently on to websites where they can be duped or corrupted. But in worrying about this I have come to a fundamental realisation. Our kids know how to work computers and stuff. We don't. They are far less likely to be caught out by technology than we are. We have to trust that their intentions are good and that they will not abuse the freedoms we give them. And we have to hope that where they go in cyberspace there is no one already abusing the freedoms that cyberspace offers. It may sound a little hopeless, but what else can we do? Control their access on-line? I would do, but I have no idea how to do that. I suppose I'd have to ask my daughter.

Kerbside forests mark an epiphany

Epiphany. A beautiful word. I think possibly one of my favourites. An enigmatic word, traditionally the day set aside to mark the baptism of Jesus, but also a word that means a sudden revelation or insight.

While there seems to be an ever earlier start to the winter festivities, Epiphany is a definite and definitive end to the entire malarkey. And what could be more symbolically malarkey-ending than the taking down of the tree, the physical act that perhaps defines Epiphany more than any other.

Or, alternatively, perhaps it's the sight I've seen all week – pavements full of discarded trees and a gale biting through the city, bloody fir trees everywhere, blown over the road, tumbling into bus stops, rolling their way across a tired, overfed country. Now that's an epiphany.

Punishment should fit the crime when it comes to monkey business

At the football recently, when one of the opposition players, a Chinese international called Sun Jihai, came tight to our byline, a man behind me shouted a rather derogatory remark about the player selling DVDs, remarks shouted in an equally derogatory accent. Without thinking I turned round and suggested that those comments had no place on the terraces of the club I follow. The torrent of abuse he returned to me quickly made me realise two things:

1 I really should have taken a moment to see how big and fierce the guy was before chastising him. Much as I don't like to admit it, in these matters of social protocol it's always wise to pick your fight carefully;

2 A man that makes dodgy comments is unlikely to react particularly well to a third party questioning the veracity of his comments.

Luckily our stooshie occurred with only 20 minutes to go so I only had to put up with his sarcasm and abuse for less than a quarter of the match.

Now, the football terraces are no place for the faint-hearted or thin-skinned. But what annoys me more than anything else was not the bigoted comments of this knuckle-headed individual: he's a lost cause. It was the singular lack of response from any of the spectators around me. There are sins of omission as well as commission.

And on that point, it seems only right to look at racism on the other side of the world, in a game that appears to be from a different planet for most of us Scots. A Sikh member of the Indian cricket team, Harbhajan Singh, has been accused of making racists comments to a mixed race Australian cricketer, Andrew Symonds. He has been banned from the next three matches.

Of course, when it comes to banter – or sledging as it is better known – the Aussies are masters. But one draws the line at comments that refer to players as "monkeys". Twenty years after Mark Walters' debut for Rangers was greeted with bananas thrown on to the pitch by rival fans, it seems little has moved on. But I ask you this: although Singh's guilt is questionable, based on hearsay alone, if he was in fact guilty of such remarks, is a three-match ban enough? Surely a season's ban or a lifetime ban would send the correct message about intolerance of racism. A three-match ban would follow ball-tampering. Are we equating racism with ball-tampering? And if Singh had punched an umpire square in the face, surely his ban would be more severe than three matches? He would no doubt face criminal charges. If we are serious about wanting to eradicate racism then we need to be serious about punishing it.

How soft am I?

Overheard conversations:

Kathryn " I had you down much more as a Mac kind of a guy."

Me "No I really love Clarins; I feel it's a more effective all round skin-care regime."

Kathryn "I meant Mac rather than PC… are you gay?"



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1

wayne bijlyeerheid,

13/01/2008 09:23:54
Oh come on now, don't be so reticent, can't you tell us who the "rival fans" were who threw the bananas?
Oh alright then, we won't tell anyone it was your beloved fellow celtc fans.
2

mister hsk,

london 13/01/2008 09:30:21
i's not and never have been a celtic fan. i used to follow Rangers. And according to the Mark walters interview in SoS a few weeks ago a number of different clubs' fans were guilty of the crime...
3

AlsoSearch,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 12:40:15
Hee hee - don't go searching for the Australian airline "Virgin Blue" at work then, Hardeep!
4

Dragonlord,

13/01/2008 13:41:30
Hardeep, I would be more concerned about my dress sense than what your kid does on her PC, if I were you.
5

wayne bijlyeerheid,

13/01/2008 14:02:41
#2
Singh specifically mentions Mark Walters' debut, which was against celtc.
He was probably there.
6

Rupert Rigsby,

The Grange 13/01/2008 14:17:10
C'mon Hardeep. A few deep breaths and then finally spit it out the name of the bigoted scum screaming racial abuse and throwing a shopful of bananas at Rangers black player Mark Walters. A wee clue for you.....it was at Celtic Park. Still not sure yet.? OK then.

C-E-L-T-I-C S-U-P-P-O-R-T-E-R-S
7

Captain Vodka,

London / Edinburgh 13/01/2008 14:33:04
Even in a witty insighful column such as Hardeeps Old Firm fans have to reduce it to a sectarian row.

Grow up or go back to reading the red tops.
8

Rupert Rigsby,

The Grange 13/01/2008 14:41:51
#7

Is it now "sectarian" to tell the truth of what actually occurred in that shameful incident at Celtic Park when Mark Walters had to endure that ignominy at the hands of racist Celtic supporters.?

This is not cheap point scoring, this is informing those who have been told otherwise what happened. I'm sure Hardeep will confirm.
9

Captain Vodka,

13/01/2008 14:46:56
It is cheap point scoring and you know it. It has been well documented that Walters suffered abuse at many grounds throughout Scotland. And please don`t try to pretend that Rangers fans are angels. I speak as someone who witnessed their racism and bigotry at first hand many times before I gave up going.
10

Rupert Rigsby,

The Grange 13/01/2008 15:11:55
#9

Mark Walter's suffered the worst racial incident ever in British football history at Celtic Park,of which is the subject of being airbrushed away by those who pretend it was "just one amongst many " that Walters endured in Scotland. Your attempt to dimish what occurred is embarrassing. Oh and you were never a Rangers supporter either.
11

wayne bijlyeerheid,

13/01/2008 15:16:50
If it had been Rangers' fans do you think it wouldn't have been mentioned?
You would still be reading about it every week, along with sanctimonious comment from the celtc minded journalists about how their dear wee supporters couldn't possibly do a thing like that, not after all the suffering and oppression they've taken for years from the big bad Scottish Protestants, that's why they identify with the downtrodden the world over blah blah blah.
sweep sweep
12

mister hsk,

london 13/01/2008 15:32:52
let's be clear. Firstly it seems it's up to Rupert Rigsby which football team i supported as a kid. is that right Rupert? the sad truth, whether Rangers Fans like to admit to it or not, was that Ibrox in the late 70's and 80's was not a safe place for brown kids to go, or wasn't perceived as such. For that matter i think the same would be tru to an extent an ANY football ground at that time. it just so happens that the right wing element of Loyalist fans among the overwhelming majority of Gers fans were not averse to a bit of samll-mindedness based on ethnicity as well as religion. i have no idea what happened at Celtic; i never supported them and so never really cared that i couldnt go there...

13

mister hsk,

13/01/2008 15:34:34
and wayne, anytime you want to set the record straight about the team i grew up supporting, that would be welcome. no offence, but i really take offence to being called a celtic fan...
14

Weggy,

13/01/2008 15:50:23
Captain Vodka (comments #7 and #9) is clearly not the sharpest tool in the box (he also seems to be something of a fascist, given his eagerness to suppress the truth) so perhaps HE should be the one that goes "back to reading the red tops!"

The facts (something Captain Vodka seems to find hard to understand) are that Hardeep's column clearly states that Mark Walters DEBUT was tarnished by the racism from "rival fans" and the valid point that people are making is - is it just because these rival fans happened to be those of Celtic that they were not specifically named?

You have to remember the background to this is that Hardeep's brother Sanjeev is a proven liar (having blatantly lied about Mark Walters Rangers debut in the past) so it's no surprise that Hardeep's words are treated with suspicion.
15

Rupert Rigsby,

The Grange 13/01/2008 15:55:18
#HSK

I just don't think you should use a public forum to comment on a club like Rangers of which you clearly know nothing about. Rangers have had practically every race or creed imaginable on its books since its inception in 1873, or 1872 for the purists out there up unto the present day.

Rangers have had black players pre-WW1, then Mark Walters post WW2, Jewish players, Asian players,etc. Rangers were and are pioneers in non-discriminatory employment and in its fanbase.
16

mister hsk,

13/01/2008 16:28:01
poor rupert. come back to reality. we miss you here. i wasn't commenting about rangers. i was alluding to an interview with mark walters and writing about racism in sport. i challenge you rupert to go on the record and tell me that every rangers fan through history has been a stauch anti-racist, anti-sectarian supporter. it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out that if you wish death upon someone because of their religion, as has been voiced on the terraces of ibrox throughout the decades, then it's equally plausible that you will dislike people for their skin colour. what are you going to tell me next rupert: there's no racism in scotland and never has been???


was i imagining the rangers fan who would sit in the restaurant i worked in and teach their toddlers to call me a p*ki? was i imagining the street abuse i got off scarf carrying rangers fans? and was i imagining the National Front support amonsgst some (albeit tiny section) of rangers fans? tell me i was and that london's pavements are golden...i'll go and idg them up and help buy big Walter an extra centre half...

i wasnt' making anything of the mark walters thing other than simply use it's topicality to link into my story...

if you read my article properly i was having a go at a fellow Arsenal fan of mine: Arsenal, a team at the very forefront of ant-racism, a team proud of it's ethnically diverse community. if it can still happen at arsenal, the team i now follow and love, then is there any hope. why not spend some time talking about racism in sport instead of trying to revise history and correct inaccuracies that don't even exist in my copy.

notwithstanding that, i'm truly heartedned that there are such people as you rupert, who clearly believe in anti-racisty, anti-sectarian sentiments and are proud of ranges for going some way to support such beliefs. but we should all be realistic.
17

Rupert Rigsby,

The Grange 13/01/2008 16:43:07
#16 HSK

I've never said Rangers fans don't have idiots just like any other football support in the UK and elsewhere.

As a white guy I've had verbal abuse from some Asian punters, it doesn't mean that ergo all Asian people are therefore racists and that I'm now musing on whether the BNP have a point after all.

What I was saying is that as a club, Rangers since 1873 are and always have been exemplary in the field of " ethnic diversity" and they have acquired this in a completely natural and organic fashion. As for the implication of " institutional sectarianism " at Rangers,the club had Roman Catholics in its team before their great rivals Celtc were even formed.

There is so much myth, distortion and half truths written as "fact" about both Rangers and its supporters that are just hilarious.

Remember though, Rangers wear the colour red on the top of their socks to signify being " up to their knees in Fenian blood." That is my favourite myth, I must admit. lol.

18

revsween,

13/01/2008 17:43:32
17#Favourite myth:what better than the pitch being cut to resemble an Orange Sash ?
19

wayne bijlyeerheid,

13/01/2008 18:16:49
#s17&18
Don't forget the pepperami.
20

Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 13/01/2008 18:57:46
Mr HSK, the reason your credibility suffers on this matter is, unfortunately for you, not primarily your fault. The reason lies in the lies told by your brother who accused the Rangers fans of throwing bananas at Walters when he made his debut at Parkhead in Jan 88. Thats a whopper. It was the Celtic fans who orchestrated and revelled in this mass display of racist ignorance.

Rangers fans' faults are reported with such widespread relish by the media that we have to be sensitive about those that are blatant lies. We'll face the truth on our shortcomings and not choose to lie about them. But we are stumped as to why Celtic fans' faults are tolerated and played down so much. Is there an agenda? Do Celtic threaten the media?

Of course you and your brother can support who you wish - but your brother owes it to himself and, by association, you to set the record straight about who threw the bananas - not to do so, and to make false capital off the back of racists, is as reprehensible as the banana throwers themselves.
21

mister hsk,

13/01/2008 19:18:26
quite right Dylan. if we were to state that rangers fans threw bananas we would certainly be wrong. i know my brother retracted his comments. let me also state this, in the interest of truth and reconciliation. at the time of the horrendous events we certainly seemed to have the impression that Gers fans were part fo the banana throwers: this was clearly an erroneous impression. but that is what we honestly thought had happened. we weren't making it up to misrepresnt anyone: remember we had spent years being Gers fans, standing alone at our Catholic School and hassled and insulted for it. my brother did not seek to mischief make. i dont know why we recollected events the way we did and i can only apologise unreservedly for that. but i can't imagine for a moment that the comments of my brother in a sunday herald piece was solely responsible for tagging Gers fans as racist. perhaps some of them are racist as well as bigoted; perhaps some of them don't like women, who kows. to blame my brother for the anti-Rangers feeling and to cite a media conspiracy against rangers is a joke, frankly. when i was an 8 year old i met Big Tam Forsyth; it was the greatest day of my life up until that point. (i have since met Abi Titmuss...i think you understand...)

anyway. i love you all, Gers fans and suggest we cyber-hug and move on. i'll get the next round.
22

Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 13/01/2008 19:36:41
HSK, it would help diffuse his, how shall we say, 'unpopular' reputation elsewhere on the web if you could point to his retraction of these lies or 'misrecollection'. And if this misrecollection was the reason he switched from Rangers to Celtic can we expect him to return to Ibrox soon, with his tail between his legs?!

You say we shouldnt blame your brother but Im afraid he shares the same guilt as the plethora of liars who've rubbished Rangers because of their short comings yet turned a blind eye to Celtic's shortcomings. As they say on Tesco, every little helps - every white lie, every blind eye - it has all helped make a disparity in the reputation of the Old Firm when frankly anyone with sense and objectivity can see that both have their good and both have their bad in roughtly equal proportions.

I'll wager you £50 you'll struggle to find your borthers retraction and statement that it was indeed Celtic fans who threw the bananas - if you do then point me to any justgiving.com site of your choice (we've all got pals hassling us for such donations) and I'll put the £50 on - if you cannot then I trust you'll be happy to do the same?

You up for a £50 bet? (I actually wouldnt mind losing this bet - I'll be so shocked I wont notice the money going!). Lets put it to an antiracism charity.


And then we can cyber hug the night away in perfect harmony....

23

Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 13/01/2008 19:38:42
PS - I hope Abi is included in the cyber hugging???
24

mister hsk,

13/01/2008 19:41:21
you'll have no share of Ms Titmuss, though they did seem plenty to go around. i'll check up on the apology bit. question; if there is a conspiracy against rangers then maybe i should make a tv doc about it...
25

Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 13/01/2008 19:48:49
The apology, look forward to it - is the £50 bet on or is this just for reputation?

as for a documentary on the subject, there's plenty of material but as part of this will highlight Celtic's shortcomings then there isnt a TV station that would dare commission it - I mean, what would Celtic say???

Good luck (on both counts!)
26

mister hsk,

13/01/2008 20:07:00
the $50 is on. and i dont have a reputation to speak of...
27

Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 13/01/2008 20:36:17
Splendid, I'll assume you mean 50 quid and not 50 bucks. I think a 48 hour turnaround with some sort of evidence should do the trick. Go to it, young man....
28

Rupert Rigsby,

The Grange 13/01/2008 20:51:31
# HSK

Dylan D'Oh2 seems to explain the case for Rangers fans somewhat understandable sensitivities towards the Mark Walters scenario much better than I ever could and I thank him for doing so.

Racism of course is to be abhorred and has no place in a 21st Century Scottish society and hopefully incidents like Mark's will never be endured again by any footballer in any country never mind Britain.

Best wishes to the winner of the bet. lol

29

Captain Vodka,

13/01/2008 21:51:56
#10 How on earth can you make an assumption on who I do or do not support based on a couple of postings? I was a regular attendee at Ibrox until I grew sick and tired of bigotry and paying homage to a foreign queen.

#14 there is no need for personal abuse in a reasoned debate. I`m full aware of the disgraceful abuse of Walters by Celtic fans but my point was not to hide this fact but to highlight Rangers fans can be just as bad, obviously not all but certainly a large %. I was also unaware of the situation with Hardeeps brother`s comments.
30

Rupert Rigsby,

The Grange 14/01/2008 14:14:54
#29

Who is this "foreign Queen" you speak of.? Check your passport if you have one. She's as British as you are.
31

Mr Jackson,

Glasgow 14/01/2008 15:34:49
#29

Lies make baby Jesus cry

The only time you have ever been to Ibrox are when the Green & Grey have came to play, how did you find the Broomloan?

Yes bigotry has been a problem in the past, every bit as much a problem as it is at the Piggery, yet we are resolving those issues while your lot continue singing your songs of hate regardless.

No one would doubt there may have been small incidents of racism within the Rangers suppourt and in should be condemned at every turn, but it would be no less a reflection in society in general, and anything the Rangers support
32

Mr Jackson,

Glasgow 14/01/2008 15:39:25
ever did would never be as bad as those appalling scenes witnessed at the sty dome on Walters debut.

You obviously consider yourself Irish rather than Scottish if you feel hey majesty is a foreign Queen, typical petty MOPE mindedness

33

Alliz,

Paisley 14/01/2008 17:30:38
Mr Kohli you are not the only one to suffer racist abuse. I have spent time in Uganda & Kenya and was often called Muzungo behind my back with accompanying smirks giggles.

But that was on a minor scale to that suffered by Mark Walters at Parkhead and Tynecastle in front of a hostile crowd anxious to find a weak spot in Rangers and finding it in a person who was "different" then going for the jugular.

Many of these fans spent time pre game getting ready for the moment.

You and your brother are guilty of not investigating the "story" properly before you published it. I cannot understand why at least a call to Mark himself was not made. Surely on the grounds of common decency alone that would have been the right thing to do.
34

Dabulamanzi,

14/01/2008 18:07:05
It's incredible that none of the usual Rangers Haters/celtc bigots are on here. Probably too embarrased.

Mr. HSK, I put it to you that you, like your brother, are a liar. Your responses to the comments here are fantasy. I am not holding my breath waiting for evidence of your brother's retraction. Perhaps some £30 software will come in handy for the retraction to be published.
35

Captain Vodka,

14/01/2008 20:11:52
#30 and #31 oh how wrong you both are, never have nor ever will be a Celtic fan.I`m sure my family in Larkhall and Hamilton would be tickled to read of such an accusation.

Do you accuse everyone who wakes up and smells the coffee of being Celtic minded?

We are not British (nor Irish) We are Scots.

HSK, did you expect your column to provoke such juvenile comments and mud slinging?
36

Mr Jackson,

Glasgow 14/01/2008 20:47:16
#35

With every fib you tell, inches you ever closer to hell

The sectarian issue has improved dramatically at Ibrox in recent years

Perhaps you really should wake up and smell the coffee

Since when did being a Scot, mean you weren't british?

Did I miss a meeting?

37

Rupert Rigsby,

The Grange 14/01/2008 20:51:31
# 35 Hey Captain.

Remember to show your Scottish passport when you go abroad,eh.? lol

38

Rupert Rigsby,

The Grange 14/01/2008 20:51:32
# 35 Hey Captain.

Remember to show your Scottish passport when you go abroad,eh.? lol

39

Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 14/01/2008 21:15:39
Now now chaps. if Capt Vodka is daft enough to stop supporting a team (I mean, what kind of guy stops supporting his team?!) because of his imperceptions then we really shouldnt lose any sleep over it.

Ibrox is a far more culturally, politically and national identity diverse football stadium than the monoculture you get across the city. Long may it continue to be so.
40

Captain Vodka,

14/01/2008 21:18:43
Aye and they are all wee angels when travelling across Europe as well.
41

Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 14/01/2008 21:19:43
Hey HSK, how's the retraction, correction and apology hunting going? I wonder if it was written in crayon on the back end of a unicorn!
42

Mr Jackson,

Glasgow 14/01/2008 21:35:06
#40

Yes we apologies for the stabbings, shootings, arrests, rioting and getting a plane diverted.

Oh wait, that was the self proclaimed GFITW

You are a wee rhat, a mhanky tim claiming to be a reformed Rangers fan

Do everyone a favour and avoid posting on here, you're making a tit out of yourself and your club
43

Teary Ennui,

14/01/2008 22:25:38
As a Rangers fan I must say well done to Hardeep for coming on here to discuss his article. Not many authors do that.
44

Weggy,

14/01/2008 23:12:13
#29

So your idea of "reasoned debate" is to accuse other posters of being "sectarian" simply because they pointed out the fact that it was, specifically, Celtic fans that were the "rival fans" responsible for the shameful racist behaviour on Mark Walters Rangers debut? Hmmm, I don't think you'll be winning many trophies for your debating skills!

Racism is a blight on society and should be abhorred by any right-thinking individual so you can surely understand anger directed at the likes of yourself when you try to deny and deflect from the Celtic fans behaviour that day, which was the most shameful racist episode in British sporting history.

However, you're correct, I shouldn't pick on you for being dim-witted so I do apologise. You are more to be pitied than anything else.
45

Arthur Teak ,

Edinburgh 15/01/2008 00:56:21
HSK, forgive the cynicism of an old man, but I believe your brother Sanjeev’s mis-recollection of events surrounding Mark Walter's debut at Celtic Park, was nothing of the sort. My view is that his denunciation of fans of The Rangers as the perpetrators of the planned and sustained vile racist attack on Mark Walters were calculated aimed at getting 'onside' with those in the BBC and other Scottish entertainment mediums that can further his career. I know of what I speak; it is hard to find someone at Beeb Scotland in the commissioning area who is not a Season ticket holder at Parkhead and a fully signed up member of the ‘Celtic-minded’ And as for the impartiality of the BBC Scotland sport and news departments, please forgive my hollow mocking laughter.

Incidentally, I went to many a Rangers game when I was at college with my mate ‘Davy’, whose full name was Davinderpal Singh Virdi, I can only remember one occasion when he received racial abuse in the aftermath of a Rangers game and that came from a mob of the self-proclaimed ‘Greatest Fans in the World’ who used to assemble at the ‘Wine Alley’ after games looking for trouble (I never could work out why these Celtic fans were never away watching their heroes).

I could go on, and mention the Pakistani Muslim, senior London Labour apparatchik (and former bag man for George Galloway) who related his story to Ian Wright on Talksport of how as a young teenager and after several seasons of going to Celtic Park was beaten up and advised that his ‘type’ were not welcome there.

In the end, as someone has previously stated, there are undesirable elements in both halves of the Old Firm’s support but the fact is that one side is getting a far more favourable press than the other.
46

mister hsk,

15/01/2008 01:00:20
#alliz

what exactly did i publish that you tooke exception to?
47

Mr Jackson,

Glasgow 15/01/2008 11:22:38
#46

Nothing you necessarily published caused any grief, though it tickles us Rangers fans that even now you can not bring yourself to mention Celtic as the perpetrators of hate, why 'rival fans'? (this isn't aimed at you personally, but it seems whenever Celtic are to be portrayed in a negative light, everything is done to ensure they aren't directly mentioned).

What your brother has previously put to print is deeply hurtful to the Rangers support though, and an insult to Walters himself, we worshiped him and he is now an honourary member of the RST. For Sanjeev to come out and say it was us who were responsible for the biggest incident of racism in British sports history was an appalling slur.

Believe me when I say, had he come out and apologised or even rectified what he had said, we would know about it but you wont find the proof because there isn't any.

Indeed, the Evening Times printed the same lies not too long a go.

We have our faults as a support, but we are trying to better ourselves. Anything we ever do gets highlighted ten fold, so you must understand why we try and fight any wrong and damning reports about us at every turn.
48

Figgy,

Glasgow 15/01/2008 11:37:57
well how is the £50 bet going?are we struggling to find the retraction becuase there never was one?
49

Captain Vodka,

15/01/2008 12:48:20
#44 The only accusation I made was one of cheap point scoring and that was directed at both sides of the Old Firm. Please refer to my original post at #7. I have never meant to deflect or defend the disgusting treatment of Mark Walters by Celtic fans, it is the worst case of racial abuse the country has ever seen and can`t be defended and my postings have not attempted to defend it. However, IMHO both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to jibes, abuse and point scoring. I have witnessed sectarianism and racism both at Ibrox and in Europe so I can comment on it. I have only been to Parkhead for Rangers games and can`t comment on their fans from a weekly basis except to say I have no doubt whatsoever that they have the same element of scum fans who revel in the abuse of others for religous, creed or colour reasons.

#42 I have been given abuse for my debating skills or maybe lack of, perhaps I`m not as eloquent as some behind a keyboard but you really are excelling yourself with your postings and perhaps unwittingly proving my case in point.
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Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 15/01/2008 13:17:10
Capt Vodka, did you go to Ibrox to support a great football team or to observe and judge the behaviour of fans? I go for the former - it appears you went to the latter which is unfathomable to me. I have no opinion on Her Majesty that comes close to my opinion on Rangers so why would I care if other fans loved or hated her? Is it compulsory for all Celtic fans to worship the Pope?! If you want to go support a team with faultless angelic fans you'd be hard pushed to find one in Scotland who isnt averse to some form of scummery.

All in my most humble opinion you understand :)
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Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 15/01/2008 13:23:56
#46

Haw Hardeep, you havent got time to be exchanging question marks with alliz, you've got an apology to find!

I checked justgiving.com and its possible to make a £50 one off donation to Show Racism the Red Card.

Do you need an extension of time? I cant help thinking you've called Sanjeev and the call went along the lines of:

HSK 'Hey Sanjeev, I've got a £50 bet with some Rangers supporting punter that you retracted that crockoshyt you said about bananas and mark Walters, where is it?'

SK 'Ha ha Hardeep, you muppet, balls to him, why should I ever retract something about the huns that makes them look bad and ra Sellik look great? Are you mad, dont you understand how it works?'

HSK 'Oh. Er evidently not. Listen, you couldnt sub me £50 until pay day could you?'

SK 'No chance, you're probably still a hun what with trying to embarrass ra sellik with the truth'

HSK 'Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuum'







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Captain Vodka,

15/01/2008 13:46:13
#50 I went for the former and many a great time was had. It was with great sadness that I decided to stop going and yes I know perhaps this is letting the bigots win and the genuine Rangers fans (the majority) lose out but I just had one too many bad experiences to justify it to myself.
53

Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 15/01/2008 16:18:19
Your loss, Capt Vodka, trust me, your loss.
54

mister hsk,

15/01/2008 21:43:59
my brother jhas not publicly apoologised. i will do so on his behalf and give the £50 to ick It Out.
55

Mr Jackson,

Glasgow 15/01/2008 22:16:31
Thank you Hardeep

It's all we ask, it's a shame you (blameless of any wrong doing) feels the need to do so

I have two brothers myself so I know where you are coming from

Sanjeev coming out in a major publication and admitting he was wrong, spectacularly wrong, would hold more weight for the Rangers fans

But I'm willing to leave it at that and move on, it's a shame you now support Arsenal. You should make a return to Ibrox and see what's happening, after all, there must still remain a piece of you that initially fell in love with the Rangers

Anyway, all the best to yopu anf your family
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Rupert Rigsby,

The Grange 15/01/2008 23:14:09
#54 mister hsk

Fair play, Hardeep, for the apology and the donation. The strength of feeling on this incident from the Rangers support in quite rightly wishing that the real perpetrators of these horrific acts against Mark Walters until they are publicly identified will never go away. We do not pretend to have angelic supporters but we always accept full responsibilty when rightful blame is laid at our door.

Best wishes to you and yours.
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Craigie,

Stirling 16/01/2008 12:31:56
Mister HSK

I'm sure the donation will be greatly appreciated by Kick It Out.

Would it not be more appropriate for your brother to PUBLICLY apologise for these ridiculous slurs and for him to correct them in print, where he made his initial ridiculous claims?

Or is that too much to hope for?
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Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 16/01/2008 13:25:49
Hardeep, I'm pleased to hear you'll make the donation though remain dismayed at the behaviour of your brother in all of this.

If you send me an email receipt of this donation (you can find out my email addy from the website admin)then I will match it to show that this was all in good faith.

I'd also like to send you some further anti-racism information that you may or may not find interesting - absolutely no obligation on you to take the matter further or even respond further. I'm not just looking for an email pen pal - after all, as you rigthly point out, god knows what nutters you find out there in cyberspace! I promise Im not one btw!

Cheers
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mister hsk,

16/01/2008 15:15:12
i am in no position to speak on behalf of anyone but myself; and i f*ck that up most of the time. shall we consider this matter now closed?
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Dylan D'Oh2,

Angus 16/01/2008 18:34:25
As you wish.

I trust you are a man of your word and will ensure the £50 is paid.

As for your brother, hopefully one day his conscience will redeem him and he'll disown the capital he has made out of the behaviour of vile Celtic supporting racists. Unfortunately, now that he is Celtic minded, I know that hell will freeze over first.
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paulb1975,

Glasgow 25/01/2008 23:23:09
mr hsk you state that your brother retracted his statement regarding who threw the fruit, what your forgot to state was did he then correct it by stating who it actually was ? he was quick enough to state FACTUALLY it was Rangers fans. The fact that he said it and it was put out for circulation is the same as when someone is highlighted before the fact of a crime say rape or child abuse and then its foudn that he/she is not gulilty or for the matter even charged but its still in the public domain.

People reading the article he wrote who maybe didnt know the facts could and maybe still think that that day Mark Walters own supporters threw bananas at him, do you get my point ? Until he actually comes out and CORRECTS it as quick as he said it the first time, we will still be seen as racists fans no matter how small a minority you say it is.

It was and always will be seen by Rangers fans as yet another cheap dig at our support from so called public figures with typewriters and maybe even someone with a chip on there shoulder who wishes to lie in bed with the devil.
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Hurlocks_Hairstyle,

Lost In the Shadows. 27/04/2008 09:14:25
mister hsk, as a few of my fellow Rangers supporters have already explained, your brother really is now in a position to put right his damaging and ill informed statements regarding the Walters issue.

For me personally it is unacceptable that A LIE should have the substance of a full article, passing its material off as fact when this could not be further from the truth. A lie if anywhere would be more suited on this the reply section of an article that is only viewed by very little in contrast to who reads the actual newspaper. Of course ill informed lies have no place at all in for any level headed and down the line individual.

For your brother to not come out and say he was wrong and apologise is totally unacceptable, how would you like being labelled as a racist and someone who carries out racist attacks when it was actually a Muslim and not a Sikh for example? This issue with Walters is exactly that, an act of sheer disgraceful and inhumane behaviour from one set of fans, panned off and turned around to being another set who were 100% not to blame for any of it.

Something worth pointing out here, In cases of supporters being identified and dealt with publicly are there to see at Ibrox, A rangers supporter threw a paper cup at Petrov after he scored for celtic and ran towards our support, the idiot in question was highlighted by the surrounding supporters, which the stewards and police then reacted to by taking the fan out of the ground and accordingly giving him a life ban. That example there is not of a racial nature, so forgive me for drifting off but the point is coming. Any example you hear or read now of our fans behaviour does not go unpunished, Rangers work in removing what is a minority element of supporters who carry out unacceptable behaviour in any sense of the word. Rangers philosophy is to admit our failings when we have them, and make an example of those who will go on and tar the club with a bad reputation, now let us cut across to th
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Hurlocks_Hairstyle,

27/04/2008 09:20:27
........(extended from above)

now let us cut across to the east end.

Celtic have continued to harbour their sad excuse for football fans for a long time now, they continue to glorify the IRA without punishment, they continue to launch a surge of coins at players and staff of opposing clubs, you only need to look back to the last old firm match where the Rangers club doctor was struck with at least 2 coins, others missed him. Nacho Novo had a mobile phone thrown at him, now how anyone can throw a phone at someone and STILL NOT be identified is the biggest mystery, let us not forget Fernando Ricksen being struck with a lighter in the face, so much so blood was seeping from his forehead - never found the culprit(s) who operate under the guise "Juan Guy"!

A clear message can be received from these examples, Rangers are serious about removing trouble - we have factual evidence on this, we don't just talk the talk, we walk the walk, the only time in the last 5 or so years I have ever seen a celtic supporter being punished was the idiot that slapped the AC Milan keeper Dida in the face, although his actions were not exactly met with any real severe punishment, or a justified one at least. He is probably a cult hero to many just like him! Peter LIE'WELL has a habit of telling us he and his associates are dealing with their trouble elements, which is a complete lie and it is important that especially "impartial" eyes and ears are looking at this, it should not be up to the Rangers support to have to point our examples of sickening behaviour from our rival fans, the scottish media pander to many at celtic through intimidation, they really ought to grow a backbone.

At least one myths has been dispelled here, I appreciate you speaking on behalf of your brother in saying he was wrong, it takes a man to admit that - although it is you who seems to be doing it and not him - I hope he has the morals and decency to come out and put this right as soon as possible, bec
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Hurlocks_Hairstyle,

27/04/2008 09:21:10
...........(final extension)

because the minute you ignore the truth when it has been brought to you, even if your factually incorrect information came from a third party or not, you become a liar too for failing to do what’s morally right.

I hope more consideration and investigation is put into damaging articles that paint a picture so very different from the truth, all people are asking for here is a level playing ground, equality, not bias agendas and corrupt organisations bending the truth and choosing only to monitor one section of the old firm.


Thanks for your time and attention

H_H

 

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