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Published Date: 01 March 2009
THE Liberal Democrat deputy leader Vince Cable is demanding the release of a "secret dossier" which the Government used to help push through the controversial Lloyds TSB takeover of HBOS.
The confidential Treasury document was submitted in evidence during the legal challenge against Business Secretary Lord Mandelson's decision to waive competition law to allow the takeover to go ahead.

It is thought to set out why Gordon Brown and
Chancellor Alistair Darling claimed the takeover was the only option to sustain financial stability during the height of the banking crisis.

Since then, it has emerged that the Financial Services Authority believed there was a viable alternative which would have seen HBOS retain its independence as a Scottish institution.

Cable, the Lib Dem financial spokesman, has tabled a parliamentary question with the Treasury demanding to know whether the original document still exists and, if so, whether the Chancellor will make it public.

"There appears to be a lot of murky dealings surrounding the Lloyds TSB takeover of HBOS, involving the Government and the Lloyds board," said Cable. "It is important, both for taxpayers and shareholders, that we have more transparency about what actually went on. Now that the takeover has gone through and we know the extent of HBOS's losses there would seem to be no longer any need for secrecy."

Cable is also demanding to know what advice Lord Mandelson got from the FSA on the merger and what alternatives were considered.

The dossier was a key feature of the Competition Appeal Tribunal hearing in December, in which business figures unsuccessfully challenged the legality of Mandelson's decision to set aside competition rules, against the advice of the Office of Fair Trading.

The Department of Business confirmed that the dossier still existed – but Government sources indicated it would not be made public if there were issues of commercial confidentiality.





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RufusT-Firefly,

28/02/2009 20:32:50
"Since then, it has emerged that the Financial Services Authority believed there was a viable alternative which would have seen HBOS retain its independence as a Scottish institution."
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Is that a joke?

HBOS just announce an £11 Billion loss for 2008.

If it was not for Lloyds TSB bailing them out, then HBOS would have been an even bigger drain on taxpayers money than RBS.

Even the previously untouchable HSBC is now launching a £12 billion rights issue.
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01/03/2009 00:16:44
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RufusT-Firefly,

01/03/2009 00:23:39
Jwil

Why should the First Minister see the dossier?

It has nothing to do with him.

Like all other important things, it is outwith his remit.
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RufusT-Firefly,

01/03/2009 00:25:02
#3 Wardog, competition considerations never came into it.

That was why it was waved through.

As you would say, you just don't get it Wardog do you?
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freedom not subservience,

Scotland 01/03/2009 00:27:35
Rufus - Pray tell why the Scottish banking industry is out with the First Ministers remit in respect to looking after Scotland's best interests?
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RufusT-Firefly,

01/03/2009 00:31:17
#6

Salmond does not look after Scotland's best interests.

He looks after Salmond's best interests.
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RufusT-Firefly,

01/03/2009 00:41:12
Wardog, that statement will come back to haunt me?

Are you on drugs?

Competition rules were waived aside.

The survival of the bank was the only important consideration.

Lloyds was the cheapest option for the Government so they allowed it through even although it was obvious it would create a superbank.

Everybody knows that, apart from you it would seem.

Are you disputing that?
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freedom not subservience,

01/03/2009 00:41:16
I think you are not telling the truth, once again, Mr flee.
Mr Salmond is looking after Scotland's interests better than any of his predecessors Scotland first not UK Goverment first
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Observer,,

Glasgow 01/03/2009 00:49:47
''Secret dossiers'' the Labour government ? Let's get it into perspective folks, it will certainly mean misery for many, but we are not going to suffer the consequences of the last ''secret dossier'' are we, with our good fortune not to be living in Iraq.

We just can't trust these Labour mob as far as we can throw them, we've all known that for years.
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tartan army 2222,

01/03/2009 01:05:14
Rufus

Can you actually hold a rational conversation? Or does every sentence have to be anti-SNP. Thing is, if you picked out the major failings (are there any?) of the SNP then people might take you seriously, but it's just a constant rant. As such, people see you as a joke figure. Keep it up.
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freedom not subservience,

scotland 01/03/2009 01:13:06
It is now only a mater of time. Independence is no longer is now when not if. The UK miss-government handling of the BOS and the RBS is proving to be misjudged and vindictive adventure that satisfies none of our two countries
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Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 01/03/2009 01:26:16
Sectet Dossiers have an unpleasant ring to them..... what are they hiding? and what's that about HSBC ? are they discovering toxic loans on THEIR books? That was the pattern with HBOS And RBS . And that story is still unravelling before our very eyes. Can we rely on Vince Cable to get to the bottom of this? Or the Osbourne chappie? When will the next General Election be?
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 01/03/2009 06:04:08
Once again its our Vince Cable who is leading the charge against the mis-managed economy and the perpetrators of our own disaterous banking policies that have near bankrupt our economy both here in Scotland and the rest of the UK.

There are clearly questions to be answered all the way through this rotten system and bankers as well as some politicians need to be made to face the charges brought and pay the penalty. Politicians usually do in lost elections but these bankers are the real criminals and should be sentenced accordingly.
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 01/03/2009 06:57:49
Come on now. If they won't reveal their documents for a trifling little thing like the Iraq/Afghan War, where hundreds of thousands have been killed, they are not going to do it for the HBOS take-over - I mean THIS INVOLVES MONEY!!!!
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 01/03/2009 08:15:09
The Superbank isn't looking very super now.
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 01/03/2009 08:15:15
Come on boys and girls! Does anyone still believe a word any New Labour politician elucidates. Neither Blair, Ingram, Foulkes, Straw, Hutton, Hoon and most others know the meaning of "honesty". The archvillain of them all now seems to be Jack the "Straw Man", and it seems he wants Brown's job more than Harman or Tony Blair Mark 2, Milliband. New Labour have become a nest of vipers. My sympathy goes out to our friends across the border whose only alternative is the return of the Tories. At one time we thought that was the nadir of political honesty only to experience New Labour. If you think the banks are in a mess have a closer look at Gt Britain p.l.c. (the Union). Brown had better be the Saviour of the World! Only a joke, of course. I wouldn't trust him with his father's collection money.
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The west awake,

Argyll 01/03/2009 08:46:14
Lib for life - I see in the Herald the Scottish Libs are getting stick for missing the deadline for submitting constitutional solutions to Calman. Apparently this could affect whether their offer will receive due consideration. That is, of course, assuming they submit at all, perhaps decided rather to join the Tories who have decided not to submit.
According to the Herald, which as you will know is far from pro-Nat, the SNP are "delighted" at this situation, which surely questions Calman's viability and perceived importance. I mean, let's face it, up till now the only party which has made a full proposal is your chums in Labour!
Any comments?
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 01/03/2009 09:23:56
Vince Cable has maybe not heard that Gordon Brown "will do whatever is necessary to maintain the Union", what better than two bankrupt Scottish banks.
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TWC,

01/03/2009 11:23:00
1 RufusT-Firefly,

Too many people lost money in this deal, make the Dossier public there is nothing to hide.
Most of these things will be controlled from Holyrood after we have full Fiscal Autonomy.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 01/03/2009 11:25:20
23 Well, first up they are both in majority state ownership Smee, but not control, which is utterly pathetic, but being in state control would mean that they would not be in a position to lose gazillions of tax-payers pounds through fluctuations of the market system. Or is it just me that thinks the UK Govt should not be sponsoring casino capitalism with our money ?

Secondly, I don't think Wardog was saying that having these banks nationalised would have been good for competition. If I can expand his theme somewhat, we are talking in a context where Gordon Brown has claimed that the merger was a matter for these two banks alone. That is palpable nonsense. The FSA and internal audit at the HBOS were warning from 2002 onwards about the attitude to risk within that bank. That was pushed aside, together with the (valid)objections of the competition commission, and the merger happend with ''less than three to five times'' due diligence, because Lord Mandy pushed it through(which is why they won't release the ''dossier''). Against advice from his own advisors, and hey let's look at the outcome - hardly a glowing success is it ?
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IainGlasgow,

01/03/2009 13:50:12
#4

"Like all other important things"?

If this is an important thing, which I agree it is, everyone should be able to see it along with any other government dossier unless secrecy is justified on the grounds of national security. It is also everyone's business who lives in the UK and that includes the FM.

That the Lloyds HBOS merger was a bad idea is becoming ever more apparent and a seperate government bailout for each bank would have been far better. Remember this is not money the government are giving away, it is a de facto loan which will be reimbursed when the economy is healthier and the shares are sold back to the private sector, perhaps even at a profit for the government.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

01/03/2009 19:55:43
What? Is it no’ online yet?

Vince Cable should get wired intae the internet - the truth is out there!
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Brian Hill,

01/03/2009 23:32:25
As many predicted, Lloyds takeover of HBOS has proved to be a disaster.

HBOS is Lloyd's ABN.... a bank to far.

The dossier re the Government sponsored takeover should prove fascinating....not too many credits for Gordon or Alastair in it I would imagine.

 

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