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Published Date: 07 December 2008
LORD Mandelson was yesterday condemned for attempting to "bully" the businessmen behind the legal challenge to the Lloyds TSB/HBOS merger into dropping their case.



Lawyers acting for the Business and Enterprise Secretary have threatened to sue those leading the legal bid to thwart the takeover, which they claim would put 40,000 jobs at risk and ruin Edinburgh's reputation as a financial centre.

MSPs ac
cused Mandelson of intimidating and threatening the six businessmen, who have united to form the Merger Action Group (MAG), and urged the anti-takeover campaigners not to bow to "undemocratic bully-boy tactics".

Yesterday, it emerged that Ian Forrester QC, the lawyer acting for MAG, had received a letter from lawyers acting for Mandelson's department on Friday afternoon. The letter indicated that Mandelson would not pursue legal costs if MAG withdrew its challenge by 5pm that day. It also warned that if MAG's appeal to the Competition Appeal Tribunal (CAT) went ahead, Mandelson's lawyers would pursue each of the six businessmen for the money.

It is understood the Government's legal bill has reached around £42,000 since MAG launched its bid last weekend to stop the merger. This would rise dramatically in the event of an appeal against CAT's judgment.

A cross-party group of MSPs made up of Lib Dem leader Tavish Scott, senior SNP backbencher Alex Neil and independent MSP Margo MacDonald has backed MAG and yesterday described the lawyer's letter as an "extraordinary ultimatum".

MAG has vowed to continue with its action, which will open tomorrow in London when the group's legal team urges CAT to overturn Mandelson's decision not to refer the merger to the Competition Commission.

MacDonald said: "I find it breathtaking that a group of responsible people whose only motive in taking this legal action is what best serves the public interest can be subjected to such threats and intimidation by a member of the UK Government.

"But the question has to be asked: 'Why is Lord Mandelson's legal team behaving in this way and employing these outrageous bullying tactics? Is it, perhaps, because they think they are going to lose?"

Neil has tabled a motion in the Scottish Parliament calling on Mandelson to refer the proposed merger to the Competition Commission as was recommended by the Office of Fair Trading at the outset.

Neil said: "Prime Minister Gordon Brown, should call off the attack dogs because these kind of tactics offend our ideas of decency and fair play."

The six people referred to in the Government's letter are the MAG official spokesman Malcolm Fraser, Dan Macdonald, the chief executive of Macdonald Estates, Peter de Vink, the Edinburgh financier, Mark Shaw, the chief executive of the Hazledene property group, Tim Noble, the former chairman of Noble Merchant Bank, and David Alexander, the chief executive of DJ Alexander, one of Scotland's largest independent residential letting firms.

Fraser said: "I can confirm that our lawyers did receive a letter from Lord Mandelson's legal team on Friday inviting us to withdraw our appeal. The invitation was declined. We are committed to our case and, in the public interest, we are determined that it should go ahead. Given that the appeal is going to be heard by the Competition Appeal Tribunal this week. We don't feel it is appropriate to comment any further on this matter."

An aide to Alex Salmond said: "The Scottish Government regards the actions of the Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform as not a strong move but a weak one, and indicates real concern in the UK Government that there is a substantial case to answer about the behaviour of Lord Mandelson towards his responsibilities and the clear lack of the promised level playing field."





The full article contains 628 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

moral___superiority_,

06/12/2008 19:40:01
Lord Mandelson is right on this one.

Alex Neil et al are wasting the tax payers money on a lost cause.

So far £42,000. Set to rocket much higher if this futile attempt to thwart the takeover continues.

The Lloyds takeover is a done deal. Everybody can see that apart from Alex Neil and his cohorts.

2

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 07/12/2008 00:10:49
The Sunday Herald are running this too - and see the story on their business pages about the blocked Chinese bid.

More questions than answers, and the Govt threatening to personally sue individuals for costs which should be disposed of by the Trubunal hearing the case breaks new ground.

What are they hiding ?
3

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 07/12/2008 00:14:48
Moral superiority seems to get you access to stories before anyone else
4

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07/12/2008 00:27:39
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07/12/2008 00:32:23
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Wardog™,

07/12/2008 00:33:46

"Lord Mandelson is right on this one"

Hooo Harrr

That has to be one of the funniest comments I've ever read....... where's that clout tae dicht the tea from my keyboard
7

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 07/12/2008 00:39:40
Is this a new tactic by Labour do you think ? Threaten to sue anyone who challenges them legally.
8

Rasco,

07/12/2008 00:51:13
Who is Sue Mandy I thought this was supposed to be a level playing field I wish I had the money to sue this torag crowd Broon,Darling and co.
9

Wisnaeme,

07/12/2008 00:58:02

It appears the one from the dark side has been practicing the black arts, yet again. Nor should we be surprised to what purpose. For the benefit of the one from the dark side, naturally.

One wonders why something of the night hastily removed himself from European adventurist activity with such gay abandon. Only to be inserted into the orifice of 'responsibility' in Westmidden. Were they panicking?

Indeed. But more so out of 'being advised' that himself was not as welcome as he once was and his interference in matters, European could be subject to official inquiries.

Cerca trova.

.
10

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 07/12/2008 00:58:58
The Herald article included the following important information:
The case at the Competition Appeal Tribunal will be held under Scots law, meaning any appeal would be heard at the Court of Session in Edinburgh.
11

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 07/12/2008 01:04:25
8 - Mandy-Sue is better. If you knew Mandy-Sue etc etc
12

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 07/12/2008 01:04:32
#1 moral___superiority

Your name is an oxymoron.
13

IainGlasgow,

07/12/2008 01:10:25
Peter Mandelson bears every hallmark of a tinpot dictator. Heaven forbid he ever becomes Labour Leader. He is not an elected MP and as such has no mandate for his position.

Competition law was brushed aside by ministerial decree to allow this merger and now the Government threaten legal action against anyone anyone if they mount an open challenge to its own legality??

Democracy is definitely dying

Robert Mugabe must be so proud

14

DouglasT,

07/12/2008 01:38:40
If you look at the date/time of #1 from moral___superiority, it it is obvious it is a troll - probably the article author Tom Peterkin. His thinking is that by planting a controversial comment he will provoke lots of responses. Then he can, while kissing his bosses rear, tell him how well read his articles are.
15

subrosa,

07/12/2008 01:53:00
# 13

I agree with you. How it is possible, in a democracy, that an unelected individual is permitted such power. This man has such a dreadful record when previously in government, yet we all just let him barge in and take over running the UK, because his new pal Gordon isn't capable.

Hopefully something will be uncovered this week - we can but hope. The whole affair reeks of corrupt behaviour.
16

subrosa,

07/12/2008 01:58:36
Interesting article in the Herald:
http://tinyurl.com/5t8qe5
17

Scunnert,

07/12/2008 02:17:07
Peter Mandelson - In Defense of Free Trade


tinyurl.com/5t8mmy
18

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 07/12/2008 02:44:44
First of all well done to the men behind MAG for not folding before Mandelson's bullying tactics.

We now seem to be facing a two pronged attack....a bad cop good cop scenario. Mandelson, bad cop of course, threatens legal action, meanwhile LloydsTSB offers olive branch and says firmly (for the time being at least) that the Bank of Scotland name will stay....well, in Scotland at least, well certainly in Edinburgh.....OK, definitely on the Mound, we promise....(fingers crossed)

Looks like the London set are getting a bit panicky. Let's keep the pressure up.
19

subrosa,

07/12/2008 03:46:31
Does anyone know just how independent this CA Tribunal really is? These things usually are organisations full of placemen.
20

donald,

glasgow 07/12/2008 06:32:57
Let Lord Mandy sue and come out of his dark corner. If only we had an Independent Government to seize the banks and all of Scotland's assets for the people before they disappear completely.
21

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 07/12/2008 06:56:50
Mandleson is just a lieing turd, the english government are lieing once again about their real reasons for getting rid of the BOS it is more power and further domination of SCOTLAND. They and the english are a shower of thieves and should be taken on in a SCOTTISH COURT!!!!!!!!
22

Phil C,

07/12/2008 08:25:45
If it looks like a sleazeball it probably is a sleazeball! Mandelson is a proven conniving profiteer, a cheat of the system and an abuser of his position. He is a bully, and should be cast out (again) like a bully.

HBOS is no different to many other banks. This Westminster's attempt to weaken Scotland's financial industry needs to be stopped in it's tracks. Banks will recover from Gordon's folly. We mustn't allow that recovery to bypass Scotland through government deceit.

The Bank of Scotland should never move from Scotland and it's employees should keep their jobs in Scotland.
23

Phil C,

07/12/2008 08:34:30
We all know what happened when someone with Mandelson's face and hairstyle, and Charlie Chaplin's moustache got too big for his boots!
24

gus1940,

Edinburgh 07/12/2008 09:12:39
Yet another example of 'The Union of Equals'

Lying Imperialist Bullying Bas---d.
25

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 07/12/2008 10:15:09
Seems their is a strong consensus of opinion.

One Troll in favour of the nasty old queen, and everyone else thinks he's a scheming scumbag.
26

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 07/12/2008 10:23:14
Lord Mandelson should devote more time to bullying the banks that are witholding the interest cuts whilst at the same time they are increasing their own margin of the take by additonal % charges on business overdrafts etc.

Whilst its usually politicians and journalists who rank pretty low in peoples esteem I reckon we now know many of the senior banking fraternity can be seen for what they really are - money grabbing chancers who still won't confess to the greed and corruption that has landed all our economies in a right mess. We should not forgive or foget these activities in a hurry.
27

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/12/2008 10:46:43
#1 Another SoS insider eejit.

Anyway, back to the story. I think it would badly damage Mandelson if MAG were to release his letter to the press.

Mandelson is a scurrilous character whose past record condemns him. He will never change his ways and that will be his undoing (again)!
28

Publius,

Girvan 07/12/2008 10:49:57
#22 Scotindy

But it isn't an English government. So far as finance is concerned it's predominantly Scottish. Brown and Darling are in charge.
29

Publius,

Girvan 07/12/2008 10:54:01
p.s. to my 29


I agree that HBOS should be kept separate from LloydsTSB. I hope MAG wins ... though it doesn't look likely. But blaming the English is silly. Mandelson is simply carrying out the orders of Brown, his Scottish master.
30

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/12/2008 11:03:06
#30 I cannot agree with you. Brown is not even Scottish !

Even he agrees with me:

"snort gulp - I am from the north of Britain"
31

John1988,

Lochgilphead 07/12/2008 11:40:32
#31 your absolutly right, if someone asked him he would say he's northern british
32

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07/12/2008 12:01:16
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/12/2008 12:02:03
#32 John

No "ifs", he actually did.

Gordon Brown to Diane Sawyer of American ABC news:

"I come from north Britain."
34

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/12/2008 12:04:24
#33 Scotsgait

As you say, good on them.

I'm sure that many true Scots would donate to a fund in support of this action.
35

Curley Bill,

07/12/2008 12:07:09
#32 - someone did! An inteviewer in America got the 'North Britain' answer.
#29 - while not all members of the UK Government are English, it is apparent that the good of South-East England is their primary concern. I have mates in the Newcastle area who despise Broon and Co even more than I do. However, I take your point and I agree - to villify all the English is plainly wrong and it would be more accurate to tirade against the 'Westminster government'.
God bless Scotland.
36

brownlie,

07/12/2008 12:12:23
I'm not surprised by this action which is, sadly, the way this government operates. No doubt the use of "commercial confidentiality" and "public interest" will be used in the eventual cover-up.
37

WSS,

sandbach 07/12/2008 12:23:14
The return of Meddlesome has seen a return to deceit and bullying. Perhaps Meddlesome could give advice to people who are having mortgage trouble, after all this is a subject that he knows something about.
38

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/12/2008 12:45:03
#38 WSS

I have a feeling that Meddlesome will be in resignation territory before too long. This kind of behaviour is the start of the slippery slope for him.
39

brownlie,

07/12/2008 12:52:30
39 connaughtboy

His previous "resignations" have resulted in his being promoted to the House of Lords. There can only be one other promotion in the pipe-line!
40

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 07/12/2008 13:18:17
Slightly off message:

Very interesting throwaway 'off air' remark by Glen Campbell to Scottish Secretary of State. George Foulkes, no doubt with very large tongue in very large cheek claims there is a bias in the BBC towards the SNP, Murphy was asked by Campbell if there was, 'surprisingly' Jim boy says no.....Titles role...sound stays on, Campbell laughingly says to Murphy, "just had to get that last bit in"....inference being, we know the bias is towards Labour, nice one George for muddying the waters.

Very professional Glen, just the kind of unbiased approach we have come to expect from the Scottish media. I wonder if that throwaway remark will be on the iplayer version of the show?
41

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07/12/2008 13:36:23
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Scunnert,

07/12/2008 14:09:29
From The Sunday Times
December 7, 2008
Mandelson kilts U-turn 'lets down industry'
Producers of Scotland's national dress accuse the business secretary of a right stitch-up
Iain Harrison

Lord Mandelson has been accused of betraying Scotland’s heritage after ditching support for a campaign to gain protected status for kilts.
43

Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

07/12/2008 14:38:00
43- Just a sly two fingered salute too cause a stir in a tea cup and further wipe scotland of the map in an insidious and creeping manner. A bit like himself.
44

photobob,

Ayrshire 07/12/2008 16:36:50
I have read the transcripts of the HBOS Merger Action Group's application with Competitions Appeals Tribunal, available on CAT website. Lawyers for the Government requested each of the 6 individuals identity and information about them the Chairman granted the said information and instructed MAG legal team to submit it.

It has since been reported by Scottish MSP's that Lord Mandleson's legal team have written to the 6 members to intimidate them by claiming they will go after them individually for legal costs. Furthermore the government has asked for more details of the 500 concerned individuals, whom I am one, that have logged on to express concerns regarding HBOS takeover.

It was pointed out by MAG Legal team that most of the 500 supporters of the action, are employees of one of the banks involved in the takeover. I am wholly suspicious that the government will get access to their names which may then have repercussions for them.
45

Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 07/12/2008 17:32:45
Brian Hill #41 I too heard the remark from Campbell to Murphy. Certainly shows where the bias lies and the lies they will continually put out that "it must be a level playing field". The BBC in my mind has now firmly nailed it's colours to the mast of New Labour. Of that I reluctantly have to accept.I phoned the BBC information number 0370100222 and registered my objection. Looks like Mandelson and Campbell, assisted by attack-dog John Reid are back to their old bully-boy tactics and the BBC have meekly rolled over. The black hand of the Prince of Darkness is spawning its evil poison again.Yet Jo Public haven't wakened up to the dangers.
46

Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

07/12/2008 17:34:32
Dont discent or we will make your life hell governement. I wonder why they would need a Database of all our emails, web posts and internet searches.....
47

Weegiewarbler,

Sailing 07/12/2008 20:06:59
They will hide what they have ALWAYS hidden - the labour party - ANYTHING that goes against their views it seems.
48

Dr. James Wilkie,

Vienna 07/12/2008 20:24:59
#48. I was involved in the international action that forced Labour to implement devolution very much against its will, and they have been making my personal life hell ever since. For the story of devolution have a look at www.realmofscotland.com/paper

Labour has mounted a massive operation to try to pass off the description of these events as a hoax, even after the first official evidence has started to come to light and has corroborated it. The full story will not emerge for some time, but it will come out in the end for all Labour's attempts to suppress the truth.

We are seeing something similar happening in the saga of the Bank of Scotland. This is not open government. It is not government at all - it is anarchy pure and simple. Vested interests are running riot and the elected politicians are not only failing to curb them, but are actively colluding in their machinations.

There comes a time in political affairs when the only answer to such a situation is to rise and get rid of the whole clique like a dog shaking water off its back. Scotland is fast approaching that stage - and if this enforced merger goes through we will have already reached it.

49

Scunnert,

07/12/2008 20:46:14
49 Weegiewarbler,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclxSWMmZNk

Worth a listen.
50

Stan Butler,

07/12/2008 20:50:34

Am I missing something here?

Surely, as in any litigation, expenses follow success ie if you raise a court action and lose you are obliged to pay the other side's expenses?

Mandleson isn't threatening to sue anyone. All he is saying that if the Gov wins they'll be looking to the other side (rather than the taxpayer) to pay the Gov's legal expenses. That's par for the course.

In an attempt to settle the case he has offered not to pursue the applicants for expenses if they drop the action now.

How that can be construed as a threat is beyond me. Perhaps though it tells you all you need to know about the people who raised the action. A bunch of chancers.
51

Scunnert,

07/12/2008 20:58:35
52 Stan Botler

Nonsense.
52

Stan Butler,

07/12/2008 21:13:20

#53 Know much about litigation do you?
53

Scunnert,

07/12/2008 21:37:52
54 Stan Botler


"Know much about litigation do you?"

Not really. I do know quite a bit about the use of intimidation by sociopaths to achieve their ends.

'An aide to Alex Salmond said: "The Scottish Government regards the actions of the Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform as not a strong move but a weak one, and indicates real concern in the UK Government that there is a substantial case to answer about the behaviour of Lord Mandelson towards his responsibilities and the clear lack of the promised level playing field.""

Sounds abour right.
54

Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

07/12/2008 22:50:37
#52 - the normal course of Govermnement in these matters is not too pursue those acting out of public good intention and pursue them vindictively.

Is their nothing you New Labour(Old Fascists) would not excuse?
55

Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

visit http://www.oilofscotland.org NOW 08/12/2008 21:35:45
The problems caused by greed in the banking industry were predicted well before the recent credit crunch.

As soon as HBOS shares dipped Gordon Brown announced a merger with Lloyds TSB making a super bank, a merger that breaks the merger regulations. The announcement of this possible merger caused shares in both banks to tumble as money markets do not want a monopoly in UK banking.

The question is, did Gordon Brown deliberately for political reasons announce a merger that would cripple HBOS a Independent Scottish Bank to make it disappear to make Scot's question Independence.

The fact that, Westminster has announced, that if the merger does not go ahead the 13 Billion taxpayer bail out for HBOS will be withdrawn.
The fact that they scared off the Bank of China.
The fact that LORD Mandelson has voiced his unionist views.

All prove the underhand Unionist Politics of Westminster. http://www.oilofscotland.org

In the next few days Scotland may loose one of it's biggest banks - thanks to the Union which prevails because of the feckless http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk

(13 Billion is less than one year of Scotland's oil money - North Sea Oil is the U.K's Largest Industry)
56

Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

Visit http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk IF YO 08/12/2008 21:38:02
Visit

http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk

and

http://www.oilofscotland.org

For the truth behind this pathetic union
57

Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk 08/12/2008 21:51:19
The fact that, Westminster has announced, that if the merger does not go ahead the 13 Billion taxpayer bail out for HBOS will be withdrawn.

The fact that Labour have scared off the Bank of China.

The fact that LORD Mandelson has against the rules and the markets opinions forced a decision to waive competition laws.

All point to the destruction of yet another Scottish Industry for the political gain of the
http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk

 

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