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Published Date: 17 August 2008
LABOUR chiefs are planning a snap Glenrothes by- election as part of a desperate strategy to relaunch Gordon Brown's premiership.
Party chiefs are braced for another devastating poll defeat but believe holding the by-election early – with Thursday, September 11 the soonest possible date – would leave time for the Prime Minister to bounce back at Labour's conference later that month.

They fear that a defeat later in the year, after a relaunch, would act as a death-knell to Brown's chances of persuading his party that he is the right man to lead them to a fourth general election victory.

Labour's margin in Glenrothes is smaller than Glasgow East, which it lost to the SNP last month. Party insiders warned last week that losing Glenrothes as well, which neighbours Brown's own seat, would be the final straw for Brown.

The dilemma over the timing of the by-election – caused by the death last week of sitting MP John McDougall – comes as Downing Street prepares for a defining few weeks of Brown's premiership, with a major tax relief package, a reshuffle and a vital party conference to tackle.

One senior Government insider warned against delaying the poll date. He said: "Gordon could come through the party conference, have a successful relaunch and get back on track only to throw it all away by losing a by-election in November.

"We should do it now before the MPs are back at Westminster. If we lost in November, with MPs all back, no-one knows what would happen."

Another senior Scottish party insider said: "He should do it as quickly as possible. It is clear that the longer you leave it, the more momentum the SNP will get."

Out of respect, opposition parties are holding back from demands for a quick poll until after McDougall's funeral tomorrow. But Labour is expected to come under fierce attack from opponents next week if it does not hold the by-election quickly.

Labour's problems in the seat have been illustrated by a Scotland on Sunday survey of 72 polling stations in the Glenrothes area from last year's Scottish Parliament elections.

In the 2005 General Election, Labour trounced the SNP in the seat, with 19,395 votes to the SNP's 8,731 votes.

However, the survey of votes cast last year for Holyrood in Glenrothes, Leslie, Markinch, Kennoway, Windygates, and Kirkcaldy shows that the SNP won 9,968 votes compared with Labour's 9,107.

The town of Glenrothes itself voted SNP by 4,984 votes to Labour's 4,054 votes.

Bookmakers have already established the SNP has the 4-1 on favourites to win the seat this time round.

The SNP is almost certain to choose Fife Council leader Peter Grant as its candidate for the by-election.

However, the identity of Labour's candidate is far from certain. Former first minister Henry McLeish has been strongly linked with the seat. He was MP for the Central Fife seat, a forerunner to the Glenrothes constituency prior to the creation of the Scottish Parliament.

But party sources have indicated that local Fife councillor Mark Hood will also be a strong contender. Labour MSP John Park has also been linked to the seat.

McDougall's funeral is to take place tomorrow in Burntisland, Fife, and is likely to be attended by the Prime Minister, who is holidaying at his home in Fife.

A long-standing friend of the Prime Minister's, McDougall, 60, died last Tuesday after a long battle with mesothelioma, an asbestos-related cancer.


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  • Last Updated: 16 August 2008 11:59 PM
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1

James Mackenzie,

16/08/2008 21:16:27
Labour and the Nats have both got this bizarre idea that we can survive on oil. It's over, near enough, and they need to get their finger out on renewables instead.
2

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16/08/2008 21:28:18
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Grant,

Scotland 16/08/2008 21:39:48
#1 Aye they might. It might be a wee bit difficult given that HMG and Westminster are banning the Scottish Government from discussing a major renewables initiative with a foreign government.

Parochial, backward looking British Unionism strikes again!
4

Oldnat,

16/08/2008 22:01:37
I doubt if it matters when the by-election is. Labour seem to have accepted defeat already, and are simply tring to minimise the damage.
5

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16/08/2008 23:03:14
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Deez Nuts,

Edinburgh 16/08/2008 23:32:06
No same here from the scotsman most of the bloggers and the government. The guy is not even buried but they are talking about the election is there no respect. Would it have been to much to ask for politeness and manners to occur and delayed all talk of elections or anything else to do with the by election until Tuesday. SHAME ON YOU THE SCOTSMAN
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16/08/2008 23:36:35
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Jimmy Le Pie,

16/08/2008 23:47:43
Will Red Wendy be out canvassing like she was in Glasgow East????

Or has she taken a £200,000 pa job like she said she could get???

Any word yet on the fraud investigation into alleged illegal financial dealing in Glasgow East?
9

Jimmy Le Pie,

16/08/2008 23:48:44
Never mind Comrade Broon, all will be well after "Britishness Day".

Another relaunch and then call a General Election!!
10

Mev Brown,

Edinburgh 16/08/2008 23:59:57
I wish somebody would take law & order seriously/ Perhaps by ending state support for absconders, maybe?

http://theppf.org.uk/2008/08/16/end-state-support-for-absconders/
11

SlyFifer,

Somewhere west of Scotland 17/08/2008 00:23:23
I'm sure the SNP will do well in Glenrothes, can't say the same for the other lot. what are they called again ?. Ah Yes - Nu Liebour. They fail if they select McLeish, and the SNP win. They fail if they select any of the other numpties. In short, they fail. Brown won't make it to the conference season after that. Even the dumbest of these Nu Liebour nit wits can see that.
12

ThomasP,

17/08/2008 00:27:07
Do the same Unionists who doubted that the SNP will win Glasgow East, also doubt the SNP can win Glenrothes?
13

Conan the Librarian™,

17/08/2008 00:41:01
12
They merely hope ThomasP.
A mere clutched straw in the long drawn out death of the unionist parties.
14

Oldnat,

17/08/2008 00:44:39
Shame on you all. There's blooming good news coming from 10 Downing St - courtesy of Tom Watson Labour MP.

http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2008/08/number-10-in-bloom
15

subrosa,

17/08/2008 00:57:13
# 14

No, courtesy of us taxpayers.
16

Statsman,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 01:14:41
Freedom!!!
17

ThomasP,

17/08/2008 01:50:54
Please make an appearance this time Gordon.

You may not be popular but I am sure the majority of us shall respect you more if you are willing to lead Labour into the by-election.
18

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Wisnaeme,

17/08/2008 02:00:05

"Another senior Scottish party insider said he should do it as quickly as possible. it is clear that the longer you leave it, the more momentum the SNP will get."

Uh huh.

...or the longer you leave it the less momentum you'll have from the sympathy vote.

"No one knows what will happen."

My, nothing like being positive and up beat, is there?

What ever happened to that "things are getting better then"?
.
.
20

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 02:01:34
That constituency is a goner for Labour, and the result at the 2007 Holyrood election for nearly the same constituency is proof enough of the shifting sands. The significance of Tricia Marwick taking that seat at Holyrood should not be underestimated (although it was, surprise surprise, overlooked at the time). The ousted MSP, Christine May, looked like she'd been hit on the head by the result that night. It "should be" pure labour heartland, in days gone by a mining area steeped in the politics of trade unionism and the radical left, none of the other parties had a look in except the communists who operated through the labour party largely successfully. It's still today a left-wing heartland, if such a thing still exists, just not a labour heartland anymore. No amount of labour canvassing will influence the direction of the talk in the pubs and clubs of the constituency and on the streets, where the sentiment is one of betrayal. They are starting to like the SNP very much. We are entering a post-Labour era, when working class loyalties will have to be earned, not taken for granted. If labour think that people in Central Fife are not looking back at a century of working class politics and at the same time despising the current direction of the labour party, they are in for a shock. Labour forgot what it was for a long time ago, and Central Fife is the constituency where everyone knows it.
Alot of that constituency is made up of vast reservations for the working classes who have been left to rot while the likes of Gordon Brown talk about free trade more than social justice and Tony Blair justified millionaires and looked to the right desperate for approval, and Martin and Marsall feathered their own nests in a fashion redolent of the infamous 'let them eat cake' comment. Hell, Blair even supported Sarkozy over Sego for the French presidentials - lesson being that the people of Central Fife are not the ones who need lectures on working class solidarity from Labour.
21

Wee Fifer,

17/08/2008 02:02:27
Cont...
The 10p tax rate will be something in that constituency - the so-called 'core labour voters' are so sickened by that move, and more sickened by how they tried to cover it up. As far as many former Labour supporters from Central Fife are concerned, Labour doesn't protect hard working families from capitalism, it barely even bothers to regulate capitalism, in fact it is fully prepared to throw them to the dogs in its relentless pursuit of middle England, and hopes that the rest of us will just look the other way. Well we're not looking the other way now and the chickens are coming hime to roost. And now they can't use the old argument to make us all feel bad, that if you are tempted by the SNP you are condemning your trade union brothers in England to Tory government - what's the difference - we already have a Tory government - privatisation of public services, foreign colonial exploits, and tax cuts for the rich because they deserve proper remuneration. And Henry McLeish was a part of it all.
22

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 02:05:22
And as for AM2 and other assorted apologists for Labour and the emerging fascism wrapped in the cloak of social democracy, (AM2 who is currently busy talkling up trivia on the latest current 'slap down' to Scotland') - Central Fife will be a hard but deserved lesson to learn.
23

Kipling,

17/08/2008 02:10:49
I wish Brown would do something about my horrible neighbours. I've got a job for him when he looses the election.
24

Wisnaeme,

17/08/2008 02:25:36

Good posting, "wee Fifer"
.
25

An Beal Bacht,

17/08/2008 02:36:32
Aye - good yin wee Fifer. This is turning oot tae be wan helluva year is it no?
26

Wisnaeme,

17/08/2008 02:54:03

"Wee Fifer" agus "An Beal Bacht",... and anyone else that's interested.

tinyurl.com/5wbez6

Lol.
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27

Weegiewarbler,

Afloatonaboat 17/08/2008 03:34:13
#7: Do you think they are doing it Deliberately?

#21,22,23: Well done. Clear & coherent explanation as to why SLAB are destined for the slab.

#27: :-) oh deary me!
28

DAH,

Conwy 17/08/2008 03:38:17
Labour going for an early by-election, so that a possible defeat is done and dusted before the re-launch of Brown in the party conference sounds like conceding the seat to me.

Wouldn't it be better for Labour if they tried the relaunch, and tested it a few weeks latter in Glenroths?

If the relaunch works and Labour keeps the seat it would be a hell of a boost for relaunched Brown. If, despite relaunch the seat is lost, it would show Labour that a more radical approach than a Brown relaunch was needed to win a fourth term.

I don't see how an early by election can possibly be in Labour's best interest.
29

DAH,

17/08/2008 03:46:54
[quote]The guy is not even buried but they are talking about the election is there no respect. Would it have been to much to ask for politeness and manners to occur and delayed all talk of elections or anything else to do with the by election until Tuesday. SHAME ON YOU THE SCOTSMAN[/quote]

I suspect that Labour killed that political tradition of nicety when they called the Crew by-election before a funeral date for Gwyneth Dunwoody had been arranged
30

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 04:10:41
27 Wisnae,
Thanks for the link. And that's supposed to be "their" paper - fairly good piece!
Personally I like the rose-tinted Jamieson story in this paper, shame really...
28 Weegiewarbler - Oh Yes, they are doing it deliberately :-)
26 An Beal bacht - Yes, quite a year indeed, and another one just like it to come.
31

Weegiewarbler,

17/08/2008 04:13:37
[quote]The guy is not even buried but they are talking about the election is there no respect. Would it have been to much to ask for politeness and manners to occur and delayed all talk of elections or anything else to do with the by election until Tuesday. SHAME ON YOU THE SCOTSMAN[/quote]

[quote]I suspect that Labour killed that political tradition of nicety when they called the Crew by-election before a funeral date for Gwyneth Dunwoody had been arranged[/quote]

This politician was obviously suffering from a terminal disease a year ago.

All this "disrespect" could (and maybe should) have been avoided by Labour. The man should have been allowed or encouraged to retire with full benefits and left with his family to live the last months of his life in private dignity.

A by-election a year ago perhaps would have had a lesser impact than it might now, especially on the heels of Glasgow East. However, we shall never know.
32

donald,

glasgow 17/08/2008 05:23:30
The Republic of Fife Fife owes it to the rest of Scotland to get rid of the Brown Brits.
33

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 17/08/2008 05:41:15
Very good point #30. Liebour in SCOTLAND as in england is dead, and will not recover for DECADES. The SCOTS need now to vote for the party of SCOTLAND, and drop this pathetic outdated union with england. Vote SNP and feel, see the difference. It's already happening. INDEPENDENCE SCOTLAND, that is where our future lies. Oh, and have a nice day!!!!!!
34

Traquir , Alba,

17/08/2008 06:18:29


Here is another interesting bit of news -

"Mcconnell To Quit For Malawi Mcleish Won't Fight Glenrothes"

see - tinyurl.com/5h2rfk

So Labour now needs to move on to their
4th choice given that Alex Rowley and
Christine May have already refused. All
seems to be a bit like deja-vu. Given Ms Curran
was about 5th or 6th choice for Glasgow
East perhaps the inevitable conclusion is
that as a 6th rate candidate she
is the natural choice for Glenrothes also,
and of course David Cairns should
run the election again :)

Also the article
contains another interesting polling
titbit -=

"THE SNP stand up more for Scotland than Labour, according to a poll.

The survey of 1000 people by YouGov, commissioned by the Nats, put the SNP on 55 per cent compared to 10 per cent for Labour. "
35

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 17/08/2008 07:36:59
IT'S TIME FOR SCOTLAND. The union with england is DEAD. But please do not tell george foulkes, he will think that it is a conspirosy. Poor guy now living on TAX PAYERS MONEY and no voice!!!!!!!
36

allan58,

edinburgh 17/08/2008 08:26:07
Probably for the best - we don't want to prolong the agony.

Poor GB - wonder if he's already called in the removal men? Mr & Mrs Cameron are probably already mentally arranging No 10 to suit themselves. Not that there would be any difference! Just replacing one Tory with another!
37

tommy M,

17/08/2008 08:28:56
The liebour party probably thinks a snap election will win them more sympathy votes whilst the death of Mr Mac Dougall is still fresh in the minds of voters.

Is the translation of Burns into English for english MP's courtesy of Mr MacDougall still fresh in any one's mind?

Is his voting record still fresh in anyone's mind?

Is the illegal war in Iraq and millions squandered on Trident still fresh in anyone's mind?
38

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/08/2008 08:41:23
Will Father Cairns be piously masterminding this upcoming electoral humiliation like he did Glasgow East???

39

yockel,

17/08/2008 09:01:45
#21#22#23 Jings don't remember the last time I agreed with a Fifer! Spot on.
40

overshot,

perth 17/08/2008 09:11:45
This article is all about Labour,s needs. What about the people of Fife?
41

brusque,

17/08/2008 09:22:02
The people of fife know that they will be best served by a party who want the best for Scots and Scotland - that is not NuLabour.

I don't expect Gordon Brown will be able to tear himself away from London long enough to show face, which is probably best as the humiliation will be great. Labour has been dead in Scotland for a long time, time to bury them.
42

Conan the Librarian™,

17/08/2008 09:28:53
39
The West side, obviously.
43

roughrider,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 09:35:04
20 Wisnaeme,Wrote
"What ever happened to that "things are getting better then"?
The liebour tune was "things can only get better" and
they were not fcukin wrong.
44

Climate change is a fraud,

17/08/2008 09:37:21
Vote UKIP!

Don't believe the Lib-Lab-SNP-Con.
45

pehman,

sussex 17/08/2008 09:44:44

At last years labour conference debate and voting were banned to "protect unity"

Does anybody think maggie will get away with it this year ?
46

Andrew D,

bne 17/08/2008 09:51:23
#12 ThomasP

I'm a Nationalist through and through, but I'd seriously suggest not being so sure of this result.

When the sitting candidate dies there is inevitably a large sympathy vote so even with the smaller difference in vote size and Tricia Marwick winning the MSP seat last year it's a bigger task than Glasgow East was to my mind.

Of course that all depends on how fed up the people of Fife are with the way Labour are doing things but either way an SNP win would be remarkable.
47

Andrew D,

bne 17/08/2008 09:54:09
#49.

They banned debate and voting?? Surely you jest..?
48

shivago8,

livingston 17/08/2008 09:56:41
The demise of labour is on the horizon.

Glory glory hallelujah,glory glory hallelujah

A bundle of rogues who have stagnated this great country of ours for ten years whilst lining their pockets.

I will never forget them and I dont see them ever getting back in power.

No brains,sense of direction,frightened to make good decisions[I wrote to them every year for the last four years sbout the flawed council tax] and all I got was that the review was ongoing.

Sit them all back in a classroom and I doubt many would pass the 11 plus exam,all mouth, never mind the country, whats in it for me.

Take them to the end of the road and dump them as excessive baggage,no good to man nor beast.
49

Chum of Boris,

Henley on Thames 17/08/2008 09:56:41
35 Scotindy

Good point. It's time the people of California realised that the union with the USA is dead. It's time California rejoined Mexico and ended the illegal American occupation and through the illegal Yankee immmigrants out. For a while the Yankees outnumbered the indigenous Americans, but not any more.
50

shivago8,

livingston 17/08/2008 10:04:38
ALWAYS got my wrists slapped when we played snap.
The player with the most cards is always the winner.
Well done our saltire friends the SNP
51

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 17/08/2008 10:05:20
The SNP can't afford to be complacent about winning this seat. I learned the hard way many years ago, in an industrial relations context, that they do things differently in the Kingdom, and its people can never be taken for granted. But I am hopeful that they will take a clear-eyed, unsentimental look at Labour's appalling record and catalogue of betrayals, and then make up their minds.

A vote for the SNP is a vote for Scotland's future - a vote for Labour is a vote for the slow death of our nation and its legitimate aspirations. Glasgow East found the courage to throw off the Labour shackles, and the Kingdom can do the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OARvE4ZzMCY
52

Barontorc,

Paris 17/08/2008 10:12:21
It is a tragedy of huge proportions to see the strong left socialist people of Fife prepared to throw Labour out of office. Who caused this mess?

It's time for Alex Salmond to offer an amnesty to all Scottish MPs to cut their ties with London and come home to make this country all that it could be.

Let's not be kidded there are very capable people languishing in London and desperate for the call home.
53

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 17/08/2008 10:14:25
I wouldnt bother thinking about elections or independance, the Human race will probabally not be here by christmas if Russia carries out its threat and starts throwing its nuclear missiles around there will be no survivors anywhere in the world. so politics is the last thing anyone should think of you should be thinking of settling your estates,
54

OLD GIN,

METHIL LEVEN 17/08/2008 10:29:40
THE LAST THING WE NEED IS THAT SMARMY GRIN FROM THAT SALMOND, IN MAKES YOU WANT TO BE SICK. COME ON LABOUR YOU CAN DO IT
55

bill-alba,

fife 17/08/2008 10:37:50
going by the talk inthe pubs generally...NE fife is still the domain of the libdems, I hope it isnt the same for Glenrothes but I think it is the libdems who will win their..we can only hope for an SNP win.
56

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/08/2008 10:38:34
#50 andrew

I agree that there will be sympathy, but i don't think it will influence the way people vote. The Labour candidate will be judged on what she/he says during the campaign. Judging by Glasgow East, foot-in-mouth disease is afflicting Labour and this alone will ensure a comfortable win for the SNP.
57

bill-alba,

fife 17/08/2008 10:38:56
old gin...keep on the gin..that isnt a smarmy grin from Salmond its a grin of contentment.
58

brownlie,

17/08/2008 10:39:31
61` OLD GIN

Is that Gordon's gin?
59

Earman,

Dumfries 17/08/2008 10:43:41
#61

Wrong. The last thing we need is anymore Labour "naesayers" and "cannae do" merchants having anything whatsoever to do with the just and proper aspirations of the Scottish people.

Being full of OLD GIN is not a good enough excuse for remaining on your knees.
60

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/08/2008 10:46:56
#61 Old Gin

Troll.
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morris,

edinburgh 17/08/2008 10:53:54

Peter Curran,
Kirkliston 17/08/2008 10:05:20

I'm glad I read that Peter!

Its almost syllable for syllable what I was going to say.

I agree wholeheartedly with this (obviously)and would also warn against complacency ,but people on the Heralds site seem pretty convinced that the SNP will sail this.This was a working class community years ago, and apparently more typical of the Rest of Scotland than the rest of FIFE,so I am assured.
I certainly hope so, because the NEW SCOTLAND beckons,and Glenrothes can join Glasgow East in showing the way forward....................or realise after the General Election and the Tories are in no 10,that THEY SHOULD HAVE when they had the chance.
To vote for anybody other than the SNP now just delays the inevitable break up of the UK.I doubt that the SNP can fail now. LABOUR are history.
The fat lady is warming up as we write.

ITS TIME and we are not turning the clocks back now!
62

Andrew D,

bne 17/08/2008 11:07:45
#60 and #63 I hope you're both right.

I just think that there is too much at stake to assume anything here.

Even with Glasgow East I have a long memory when it comes to canvassing and hearing so so so many times from those Labour "heartlands" the 'my grandfather voted labour, my father voted labour and i'll vote labour till i die' or variants thereof.

It broke in Glasgow East and I think genuinely so rather than just the traditional by-election protest vote (given the Holyrood situation and changing political landscape in Scotland stemming from that) but that whole sympathy vote thing won't be affected by that.

I hope I am wrong and can have another day at work cheering like a maniac as I follow the result and another SNP victory. :)
63

bluehead,

edinburgh 17/08/2008 11:18:11
if this is supposed to be a democratic country,which of course it isn't,one man could not be responsible for downfall of a political party,the simple fact is that the whole of this labour government ,collectively are to blame,
It is plain to all now, that this government is the worst lot in political history,made even worst by pathetic prime ministers, the labour lot must go before this country deteriorates even further
64

pehman,

sussex 17/08/2008 11:22:12

this from the sunday times,

Alex Salmond aims to save Scotland £15m over three years in a bid to beat soaring fuel costsTom Gordon
Alex Salmond is to bulk-buy electricity for the entire public sector to slash millions of pounds from soaring energy bills.

The first minister will harness the government’s buying power to replace hundreds of individual contracts worth £200m a year with a centrally negotiated deal.

The new contract, which will come into force next autumn, will be used to supply electricity to councils, health boards, universities and schools. Government agencies, quangos, police and fire services will also benefit.

Bulk-buying electricity will enable the government to negotiate a lower price and reduce management fees, saving more than £15m over three years.

Yet more evidence of POSITIVE action,

How can maggie compete ?
65

lulach mac gille coemgain,

17/08/2008 11:45:07
Not wishing to ad to the debate I’d rather simply make my opinion known . . . I feel

Gordon Brown and the Labour party are of no worth or value to the Sovereign Nation of Scotland or her people.

Carry on commenting .
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 17/08/2008 11:47:24
#71

Spot on. They are now a discredited and spent force North and South of the Border. I had to laugh when I saw the latest wheeze which might lead to a snap election to held. Umm, wasn't that the same tour de force they planned for Glasgow East? Also - when is Joke's by-election likely? If the idea was to let Broon have his "revival" (more like an attempted resurrection) in the Autumn with the dust having settled on a Glenrothes wipe-out, surely this one is still in the offing to spoil things, unless he's persuaded to stick around.
68

lulach mac gille coemgain,

17/08/2008 11:47:26
#72 - What country is that ? or Do you mean union of countries ?

69

radge dug,

17/08/2008 11:50:55
#71- True. Labour don't have a clue. It's not just Brown that's unpopular. Blair too. And Milliband. And most of the jokers they have in Scotland.

As to oil - there's at least another 30 years left. Scotland might as well use it for her own good than let in be wasted by London.
70

radge dug,

Dùn Eideann 17/08/2008 11:51:45
#79 - Chan fhios agamsa! Teagamhach gur e Alba a bh'ann co-dhiu.
71

bumpkin,

17/08/2008 12:44:30
stroll on to independence,maybe we should have the referendum now?
Heres a prediction;
SNP win by election, scottish labour implodes , breaks from westminster , and calls for independence.
72

Greatscot....,

London 17/08/2008 13:02:01
Interesting that there are those who 'get it' and there are those who still don't. Sorry, Wee Fifer, but you definitely don't. The reason that Gordon Brown and his shower are sooooooooo unpopular is NOT because they aren't Socialist enough.

Please. Socialism is DEAD. DEFUNCT and DEBUNKED. It is a stupid concept that only stupid people can believe in. Socialism has never, ever had one single success anywhere on Earth, at any time in history. So please, Wee Fifer and the rest on the neanderthals up there, understand. 1946 is over. Wake up.
73

vitesse_skye,

Skye 17/08/2008 13:03:27
Scotland. If we aspire to play on the field with the big boys we would do well to learn from their recent mistakes. In the US primary in Iowa this year Barack Obama won and destroyed overnight Hillary Clintons ambitions to the presidency. Obama was 1/5 at the bookies to win New Hampshire in the next. He lost. That was the start of the bloody battle which should have been put to bed that night but is still bleeding right up to the Democratic convention and splitting the party. If you juxtapose that situation to here, Glasgow East was our Iowa. We need to be ready to mobilise every activist, every party member and flood Glenrothes from Macedonia to Markinch from Leslie to Woodside. Labour will not get their vote out but we should not take ours for granted. The election is the SNPs to lose this time. We need to get every voter to hear the truth and then to make sure they cast their vote for it. The US press is full of the question " why can Obama not finish the deal"? We can finally kill Labour in Scotland stone dead in one by election but we need to make sure that it has stopped twitching before we take our country back.
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Geoff H,

Kingdom of Fife 17/08/2008 13:06:28
83

Stupid, stupid stupid...

Ur all neanderthals up there...


Thanks for that. If you shout loud enough do you think we'll believe you that we're all stupid.

See,s like Scotland IS waking up...and you don't like it.
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Greatscot....,

London 17/08/2008 13:08:36
Hey pehman,sussex 17/08/2008 11:22:12

this from the sunday times,

Alex Salmond aims to save Scotland £15m over three years in a bid to beat soaring fuel costsTom Gordon

WOW! Now that's a GREAT idea. Bulk buy energy while the price is at an artificial high due to market speculation. Sounds like this guy Salmond REALLY understand negotiating. Father of a Nation? Plonker more like.
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eric,

17/08/2008 13:10:59
Desparate indeed.
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Greatscot....,

London 17/08/2008 13:11:19
Sorry Geff H
Thanks for that. If you shout loud enough do you think we'll believe you that we're all stupid.

Well, yes. And for the record, I'm from Orkney. So you Sassenachs can keep your hands off of OUR oil. And reading eh comments, yes, there are far more neanderthals than brain cells.
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Geoff H,

Kingdom of Fife 17/08/2008 13:21:44
88

'I'm from Orkney'

Think I gathered you were 'Scottish' from your moniker.

Silly of me to give you the oxygen of a reply though.

Your oil, LMFAO.

Good bye!
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George Mackay,

Dundee 17/08/2008 13:47:23
My niece Shona is doing a one woman show at the fringe. She did a one woman show last year too but it flopped, mainly because she set fire to an old freemasons hall in Leith. So got a job as a trainee assistant manager at McDonalds. She thought this would be more useful than her degree from Glasgow Caledonian University. Anyway she set fire to the oil in the chip fryer and got fired! (Fire seems to follow Shona around.)
Anyway she's met someone at the fringe who says that Ian Rankin will be the labour candidate in Glenrothes.
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LEAL,

17/08/2008 14:28:13
Ian Rankin ?
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kimba,

17/08/2008 14:31:46
82 If you were not such a gomper i would laugh in your face,but,i never laugh at the afflicted!
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kimba,

17/08/2008 14:47:33
97. And you better get used to not getting independence chum!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/08/2008 14:50:43
#70 Andrew

Keep the faith. The people of Glenrothes are only too aware of the betrayal by Labour.

How apt that the brilliantly wonderful play "The Black Watch" originated here and how disastrous that Blair/Hoon destroyed 300 years of history with the stroke of a pen and without a single thought for the Scots soldiers, many from Fife, fighting in pointless, illegal wars.

Trust me, Glenrothes will return an SNP MP.

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Oldnat,

17/08/2008 14:51:19
From the Sunday Mail (of all places)

"SCOTTISH Labour leadership contender Andy Kerr has warned his party are in danger of becoming a "political irrelevance".

The former health minister said they could only survive by coming up with bold ideas to take the country forward.

Kerr said: "The seismic plates of Scottish politics have shifted...and the Labour Party must decide whether they are going to make a similar shift or fall between the cracks.

"The Scottish Tories were once a powerful force in Scottish politics but they failed to change as Scotland changed and, as a result, they became a political irrelevance."

Meanwhile, fellow leadership contender Iain Gray promised scholarships to encourage students to take degrees that would fill Scotland's skills shortages. "
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kimba,

17/08/2008 14:53:49
99. Would love to see your face if it didn't!
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kimba,

17/08/2008 15:00:15
Why do scots have to play the "woe is me" act,there are a lot of places in England and Wales a lot worse off than scotland,but,unlike you whinging jocks we just get on with it,ever heard of the saying "laugh and the world laughs with you,cry,and you cry alone".
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 17/08/2008 15:05:32
Hmmmm...suddenly talk of a "snap" by-election when the consensus before was that Brown was going to hang on as long as possible before dropping the writ.
He's not going for the post-Olympics, feel-good-about-the-Union bounce by any chance?
Trotting around the country (both ours and their's) with Chris Hoy as his arm candy.
One yer bike Broon. That's too cynical even for NewLab.
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FedUpTaxPayer,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 15:27:35
I'd be surprised if they could hold the seat, whether they make it sooner or later.

They're hugely unpopular just now, so difficult to see a quick vote working. The economic news seems to be continually getting worse, a recession looks increasingly likely, so a delayed poll would seem worse.

What I really hope for, is for all Labour MP's and MSP's, especially Brown, to wake up one morning and realise that they're simply not up to running the country, and resign. Wishful thinking? Perhaps, but not much more than Labour thinking they've a chance in the next general election, after the incompetence they've demonstrated over the last decade.
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kimba,

17/08/2008 15:42:44
104. There is a big difference between devolution and independence,so if you would care to put a small wager on it,i will gladly accommodate you!
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Nikostratos,

17/08/2008 16:32:43
Seems to me a lot of scots are more interested in their U.K connections than many snp supporters allow.






"As Scotland advances, its proud press retreats"


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/aug/17/pressandpublishing.dailymail

"Which papers are the best for Scottish sport? I know people who'd argue the Daily Mail, the Sun and the Sunday Times. Which daily paper covers Scottish politics with most authority? Some would say the Times. Which newspaper does Scottish human interest stories the best? Probably the Daily Mail."

"As UK nationals have become markedly stronger in Scotland so the Scottish-based papers have become weaker at almost everything else: foreign news and analysis, UK and global financial news and comment, the English Premier League. Budget cuts have forced them to reduce their geographical reach"
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Oldnat,

17/08/2008 17:00:19
#107 Nikos

You want find many Scottish Nationalists supporting the Unionist Press! Fewer and fewer of them are bought because they are essentially rubbish.
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jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 17/08/2008 17:10:01
The Conservatives will definitely win the next UK election but will only have a handful of Tory MPs from Scotland. This is why Alex Salmond is waiting till 2010 for the referendum when he thinks he will have a better chance of winning it with a Tory government in Westminster
David Cameron should pre-empt this by assuring that far more powers will be given to Scotland including most if not all taxation powers. I think a majority of Scots would prefer this to full independence.

The SNP is going to win Glenrothes no matter what Labour tries to do. I think they are going to find it difficult to get a good candidate to risk humiliation.
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shivago8,

livingston 17/08/2008 17:30:15
Time Broon settled back in the Ferry and retired.
Watch the trains going over the bridge every day.
Take the kids to watch the fishes swim around in deep sea world.
Watch the new road bridge being built.
Gordon,you are damaged goods,retire before you become more damaged
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Alan B,

17/08/2008 17:57:07
Hopefully Brown will resign when(hopefully) he loses this by-election.
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pehman,

sussex 17/08/2008 17:58:09

Party chiefs are braced for another devastating poll defeat but believe holding the by-election early – with Thursday, September 11 the soonest possible date – would leave time for the Prime Minister to bounce back at Labour's conference later that month.


Or they make it a week later and hold it during the SNP conference, which is just what I think they'll do


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bumpkin,

17/08/2008 18:10:08
102, kimba, you are right, there are agreat many parts of england that have been screwed by the south east england based parliament.
The difference is that scotland, instead of whinging and moaning, is going to do something about it.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/08/2008 18:49:50
Will AM2 be out in Glenrothes, canvassing support for his beloved Union????

No, thought not
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kimba,

17/08/2008 18:53:26
114. But that is just what Salmond is doing,thankfully no one could give a damn.
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kimba,

17/08/2008 18:53:26
114. But that is just what Salmond is doing,thankfully no one could give a damn.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 17/08/2008 19:03:33
I think the game's up the pole for Labour.

They have no one of any stature to put forward as a candidate in Glenrothes. If the Fifers vote vote for a Labour rosette then I still think they will be the losers.
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kimba,

17/08/2008 19:30:34
To all the SNP lackies,it must be really cooking your goose to see Team GB doing so well out in Beijing! night all.
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Nikostratos,

17/08/2008 19:31:15
#118 Jock

here is our candidate

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif
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Arrow,

17/08/2008 19:31:27
#6
"Following the sad death of Mrs Dunwoody on 17 April, a by-election is scheduled to take place on 22 May 2008."
source: Gwyneth Dunwoody's web site. that was pretty damned quick and no question of disrespect there when the labour party thought they could dish the conservatives.
the reason they moved the writ so quickly "it was unfair on her constituents to be without representation at Westminster".
should the same not appy to the voters of Fife?
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Nikostratos,

17/08/2008 19:33:33
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00317/Labour1855_317570a.jpg
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Nevsky,

Moscow 17/08/2008 19:53:03
Kimba,

I don't think anyone in Scotland gives a monkey flying f**k when Johnanthan Tiblebum and Timmy Trumpton win gold in the sculls 2 man team to be honest.



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morris,

edinburgh 17/08/2008 19:54:48

Colin R,
Bearsden 17/08/2008 13:20:25

Whilst that argument is clear enough to comprehend,there is also another school of thought which would suggest that a longer campaign would increase the SNP vote.

Its a no win situation for Labour.
I think Labour are now reduced to damage limitation,and have abandoned any hope of winning anything now!

I suspect that New Labour will be preparing behind the scenes whilst accusing everybody else of a lack of respect if they do likewise(which of course they will also be doing)and Labour announcing the date will be when they think it gives them what little advantage exists.
Personally I doubt that it makes a lot of difference.

Labour are yesterdays party and face effective wipe out in England and therefore the UK ,whether Scotland understands that or not!
The only point of interest is who will be the last numpty in Scotland to realize that its over,and a vote for Labour is completely futile.
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morris,

edinburgh 17/08/2008 20:14:28
119 and 125
kimba,
17/08/2008 19:30:34 and Red Etin,
17/08/2008 20:05:59

One wonders why are the team not called UNITED KINGDOM which includes Northern Ireland?
Does this mean that Northern Ireland are excluded or what?
Anybody know the answer (or is it the obviously stupid one I think it is)?
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Sanny,

Glasgow or Algarve 17/08/2008 20:16:52
Kimba Niko et al: -

Devolved governments are by their nature very unstable and tend to move to a more stable condition. In this case those stable systems would be Union, Federation or Independence.

The current devolved system of government was Tony Blair’s response to being instructed by the CoE to institute a more democratic system of government for the countries contained within the Union – England’s domination was unacceptable! Papers are to be released shortly that will prove this to have been the case.

It was Tony’s hope (intention) that the instability would result in a return to the Union that could be presented to Europe as “the will of the people”. The strange voting system imposed on the devolved governments was an instrument of that policy.

However, the best efforts of the New Labour Party have resulted in, not only, Scotland, Wales and Ireland demanding more autonomy, but England too sees the futility of continuing with this unwanted Union. England would not countenance a Federation where Scotland Wales and Ireland had equal voices to England, so that option is a non-starter, which only leaves Independence for all the countries in this Union.

These are the facts my friends and ‘facts are chiels that winna ding’. All will become clear when the CoE releases the relevant Papers in about a months time. We need to be prepared to prepare to stand on our own two feet, taking responsibility and authority for steering our own course among the nations of the World.

This by-election and the one for Joke MacConnels seat will make it clear to Scottish Labour that there is no going back and they must prepare for the new situation. If Labour is to survive they will need to divorce themselves from the London Centric Party and form an autonomous Scottish Labour Party with Policies centred on what’s best for Scotland.
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vitesse_skye,

portree 17/08/2008 20:19:07
"SCOTTISH Labour leadership contender Andy Kerr has warned his party are in danger of becoming a "political irrelevance".

Hindsight is an amazing gift.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/08/2008 20:24:58
#101 kimba

I see you as a fat wee troll, with her legs akimba.

From Essex. Am I wrong?
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morris,

edinburgh 17/08/2008 20:25:43
128

Quite.

Still it could have been worse.They could have had Andy Kerr as leader!
You cant get much more irrelevant than him!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/08/2008 20:28:06
#102 kumba

such a sad wee person.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/08/2008 20:31:28
kimba

Fatty!

hee hee
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/08/2008 21:14:44
From the Times:

""Last week, Scottish unemployment was continuing to fall, to 4.2%, while UK unemployment increased to 5.4%."

Says it all.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/08/2008 21:15:24
Sorry, the BBC!!!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/08/2008 21:15:52
C'mon the SNP!
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Porky,

Socialist Republic of Walsall 18/08/2008 10:47:17
Kimba - don't talk down Scottish independence - it will come whether they want it or not - WE, the English are losing patience with Scottish rule and bl@ody foreigners in general. Stuff the union - it's past its sell by date.
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Yeah1,

18/08/2008 11:29:24
#45

"Labour has been dead in Scotland for a long time, time to bury them."

So if labour are 'dead' in Scotland with 46 Scottish Parliament seats what does that make the SNP with 47 seats? Almost dead? Dying? Barely alive?
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Hadrien,

Worksop 18/08/2008 13:24:53
Your oil! Think on, 'your oil' will be exploited by English and International capital, and you'll be another primary one product exporter like Saudi Arabia. And where will the money go? Into the pockets of the Clydeside Irish, to buy their votes. Any of you Jocks who live outside the Central Belt must be mad to even think of breaking up the Union.

But if you must, you must. You'll be sorry; living under a permanent high tax, high spend Government, Socialist in all but name. We'll then have a permanent Conservative Government in God's country; we'll see who fares the better, oil or no oil!

PS. And you'll have Sean Connery - and all the other professional Scotchmen who'd do anything for 'Auld Scotland' except live there - back with you, I don't think!
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Andrew D,

bne 18/08/2008 13:29:45
The way things seem to be going I wonder if Gordon Brown is going to replicate the experience of the Liberal/National coalition government here (Australia) at the last general election whereby they got absolutely *thumped* from a large majority to losing in a landslide.

Including the Prime Minister losing his own seat and being ousted from politics entirely.

Wouldn't that be interesting?
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Andrew D,

bne 18/08/2008 13:31:20
#141

Jocks?
England... God's Country?

Oh dear...

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Hadrien,

Worksop 18/08/2008 15:08:30
Oh; I dunno, Andy! Old England's got to have something going for it, witness all these bloody Jocks who've been doing their best to run it into the ground over the past eleven years. Own up, none of 'em would have had a Government job in London if it hadn't been for the 'dull, drilled, docile masses ' of Labour voters in Scotland - now likely to be a thing of the past, thand God!
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Yeah1,

18/08/2008 16:38:32
#144

"none of 'em would have had a Government job in London if it hadn't been for the 'dull, drilled, docile masses ' of Labour voters in Scotland - now likely to be a thing of the past, thand God!"

Actually even if you took away all the Scottish and Welsh seats in the 1997 election and based it on just the English seats then Labour would still have won a majority, so you are wrong.
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steve52,

Kinfauns 18/08/2008 16:49:50
All I know is that I am looking forward to the unbias coverage of this by election in the Scotsman. Hammish will be his usual self pointing out SNP gaffs, am2 will be on here reminding us how good the union is for us and a certain Mr Mckay will have his letters printed in the letters page regardless of how insulting and inept they are. Of course we will also get input from south of the border telling us up here we never had it so good.

I will be watching for the tanks massing at Gretna!!!

It should be fun.

Bring on Henry Mc I say as it will give him the oportunity to rent a new office!!
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 19/08/2008 06:29:20
Good Bye Liebour IN Scotland!!!!!
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Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

http://www.oilofscotland.org/mccronereport.pdf 19/08/2008 11:15:03
The problem that Gordon Brown has is that the people of Scotland have had enough of Westminster's lies and deception. For years the SNP have been fighting to promote the injustices inflicted upon the Scottish People by oil profiteering, Westminster Loyal politicians. Instead of helping the Scottish People the Unionist Labour, Conservative and Liberal politicians have lied and deceived the Scottish People about the Vast Oil Wealth. 32 million a day over a population of 5 million is a lot of money to send to London.

Why not read the TOP SECRET MCCRONE OIL REPORT that Westminster does not want you to read. Available at http://www.oilofscotland.org
http://www.oilofscotland.org/mccronereport.pdf
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Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

WHY DO UNION LOYALIST POLITICIAN'S DODGE THE INDEP 19/08/2008 11:22:37
Job security is important to everyone. Is this why every non SNP Westminster loyal politician that Scotland elects is against discussing Independence for Scotland or Scotland controlling it's own oil revenues? Surely losing your job should not be more important to Labour, Liberal and Conservative politicians than what is best for the Scottish People? Is Independence best for the Scottish People? Is control of 32 Million pounds a day for 5 million people better than the unfair, unjust, uncontestable handout that Westminster currently gives the Scottish people? A sum that ensures that 30% poverty rate will continue to exist to stop the people of Scotland claiming their right to govern themselves and enjoy the vast wealth that other oil producing countries benefit from. Scotland is a bigger oil producer the Kuwait.

Why not read the TOP SECRET MCCRONE OIL REPORT ON SCOTLAND VAST OIL WEALTH that Westminster does not want you to read. Available at http://www.oilofscotland.org
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john z,

edinburgh 23/08/2008 23:35:36
So, Labout plans a 'snap poll'.

That went well in Glasgow east.

Just think about it, Gordon Brown was sitting not too long ago in Downing Street, praising the lady (thatcher) who single handedly destroyed entire communities in Fife. I used to have time for Gordon Brown, but the day he praised thatched, was the day I realised he is NOT a labout prime minister.

Thatcher treated the Scots (and especially Fife) like dirt. I just hope people realise what a low life Brown has become.

 

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