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Ibrox unlikely lads prove themselves men for all season as club's long hunt for glory opens new doors



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Published Date: 04 May 2008
IT IS SAID that heroes are not braver than ordinary men, they are simply braver longer. For braver, read dogged or replace it with patient and it would ably explain the hero status afforded some in the current Rangers set-up. For this is a squad peppered with unlikely paragons.
Players in the autumn of their career, team-mates sourced from unglamorous clubs, their own lack of pomp and flair apparently more in keeping with their previous employers. Others have simply spent their early years in the shadow of more exalted pee
rs. But they have defied the odds, the years and the critics. They may be unlikely heroes but, now destined for Manchester, they are Rangers heroes nonetheless.

One only has to wonder what Roy Carroll was thinking on Thursday night. He relinquished the role of understudy to Allan McGregor in January and as Rangers were fulfilling the dream of qualifying for the UEFA Cup final, he was dealing with his nightmare reality of 31 goals conceded in 12 games at relegation-doomed Derby. If only he had hung around half a season longer.

The man who took over from him as Rangers' goalkeeping No.2 was one of the stars of the European semi-final show. Serving his apprenticeship at Stenhousemuir, Livingston, Cardiff and then Ipswich, Neil Alexander bided his time before Rangers made him the offer he couldn't refuse in January. It was a step closer to his personal goal but the 30-year-old has had to show even more patience since his arrival.

Thursday night proved worth the wait, his penalty-shoot-out save from Fabio Liverani cancelling out captain Barry Ferguson's miss and paving the way for Nacho Novo's decisive penalty.

When he joined the Ibrox club at the start of the year, there was no suggestion he would be in a position to play such a pivotal part in the club's history. But he took the chance.

"I haven't been used to being second choice as I've been No.1 for eight years. So it's tough but being at Rangers is something I couldn't turn down. The chance to play for one of the biggest clubs in Europe might not have come up again," he said as he waited in the wings and McGregor won the plaudits and the No.1 jersey week after week.

Like others, Alexander put up with it and shrugged off the notion of being a squad player; he got his foot in the door and then waited for someone to swing it open. When McGregor was sent off against Hibs in the Scottish Cup quarter-final, he got his opportunity. With suspension and then injury affording him a longer run, he now has two Old Firm games, a Scottish Cup semi-final and a UEFA Cup semi-final on his CV.

Yet his arrival at Ibrox hardly created a ripple. It's not that punters were upset, they were just unenthused. To them he was simply there to fill a space on the bench. Smith knew better.

As with the likes of Kirk Broadfoot and Christian Dailly, he knew there was always the chance he would be called on. In the first half of the season, with Alan Hutton still performing at right-back and Sasa Papac on the other flank, Broadfoot had to bide his time. But he had the versatility which appeals to Walter Smith. The former St Mirren man can slot in across the defence and his patience was rewarded. Since Hutton's departure he has been a regular.

But even when on the sidelines there is something about the spirit in the Rangers camp which ensures no-one feels left out. "The manager knows I wont be banging on his door asking to play," said Dailly, who has deputised for Carlos Cuellar and David Weir in recent weeks and helped fill the central midfield void left by Barry Ferguson and Kevin Thomson in the first leg of the semi-final against Fiorentina. The fact the side again managed a 0-0 draw to take to Italy underlined his worth. "My philosophy has always been to dedicate myself to whatever club I'm at and accept the manager's decisions. If he wants to put me in, I'll be fit enough to play. Throughout my career, I have been used to filling in at various different positions. Now and again, being the jack-of-all-trades means you have to sit out, but I think, by and large, its worked in my favour."

This time last year, he was out of favour at West Ham, Broadfoot was with a side scuffling about at the other end of the league, and the idea of Alexander as Rangers No.1 had not been considered.

But, as this extraordinary season has unfolded, the unlikely lads have proved their worth.





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1

Teary Ennui,

04/05/2008 00:41:02
The jealous will carp but it's a tremendous achievement for this Rangers squad to reach the UEFA Cup final (add to which one domestic trophy already in the bag and a strong chance of two others). As well as the players, great credit must of course go to Walter Smith and his management team.
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Teary Ennui,

04/05/2008 01:14:00
You certainly need to dry your eyes, adsum. But not for that reason! :0)
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Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 02:10:25
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This started after beating Rangers for the second time...the hootsman simply don't open Celtic threads or close them down on the most frivolous of pretexts.

If you read Tom English's report, you'll see that he cannot shut-up about the corner kick award. I've read the Express and the Obervor's reports on the game ...the referee's decision to give the corner isn't even mentioned.

But that's what happens when you move out of Scotland's press.

Tom English is clearly gutted about the prospect of Celtic getting three in a row...you get the impression that it's keeping him awake at night. And he can't bring himself to say a decent word about Celtic, yet he gushes obsequious drivel about Walter Smith and Rangers uncontrollably.

There is quite a nasty undercurrent to his report on the Celtic match when he describes Strachan's 'prayer' being answered by referee Conroy.
I do not know if the referee is a Catholic - there are after all ulster unionists called mcguinness and o'sullivan - but English mentions Conroy's name on a bizarre number of occassions, and the 'prayer' reference contains more than a bat squeak of suggestion that there might have been more to his decision to giving Celtic the corner than honest mistake. It is subtle, but it is there, suggestively.

English would be the first to castigate Boruc for his 'god bless the pope ' t-shirt and the last to murmur a word of criticism for the rangers fans' racist banner 'Nakamura ate my dog'.

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Anglo Bear,

04/05/2008 04:35:43
Strange how the recent flood of beneficial refereeing decisions being awarded to Cointhrowers F.C. are passed off by them as honest mistakes yet had even one of these decisions been applied to Rangers they would be red in the face screaming conspiracy.
Any journalist who doesnt fawn over Cheats F.C. and praise them continually is obviously a Rangers supporter and possibly a mason in your eyes.
For such a supposedly big club Chipsonbothshoulders F.C. and their fans crack and become enraged,affronted and of course most offended at the slightest hint of criticism.
Boruc is a nob,end of story.Wearing a t-shirt with god bless the pope on it does not automatically render the wearer a decent,pious and honourable person.I cant recall him wearing it after a game against another team.He wore it for his own small minded and bigoted reasons,belittling his own religion in the process by reducing it to the level of a cheap stunt designed to provoke or annoy others of a different faith.
As for the so called racist banner it was done in jest based on the famous headline 'Freddie Star ate my hampster' there is nothing racist about it.If you think there is then you must also condemn your own fans and possibly yourself for the song which says he eats chow mein and votes sinn fein.
And before you scream its only Koreans that eat dog,most s.east asia countries do or have done to a degree including around 7% of people in Japan(answers to a Japanese survey on eating habits).
Your self rightous indignation and sense of decency doesnt seem to apply to yourselves since fans of your team saw fit,after 9/11 to make aeroplane signs(outstretched arms) at every corner American captain Claudio Reyna of Rangers took or anytime he was near the Celtic fans(video and photographs exist).A more despicable and shameful display has rarely if ever been witnessed in Scotland.To ridicule the deaths of almost 3,000 innocent people killed by the actions of terrorists leaves Celtic fans with a stain that
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NZGrantBear,

04/05/2008 04:36:50
#4 Offside goals, dodgy penalties vs Rangers, 2 endings off, Celtic players kicking Rangers off the park....

Cheating referee vs Aberdeen - Who wasnt sure why he chopped off a last minute equaliser....

Disputed corner which leads to the winner vs Motherwell in a game that a draw was a good result for Celtic.........

And your point is????????????

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NZGrantBear,

04/05/2008 04:42:13
#6 I would expect silence to be your reply, from brother Walfrid, you cant teach an old dog new tricks.
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Anglo Bear,

04/05/2008 04:46:20
...that will never be erased and no amount of finger pointing over trivial incidents will deflect your true identity and true allegiances as a club and as a support.You still sing in praise of another terrorist outfit.
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Celtic Forever,

No-one likes them, they don't care 04/05/2008 05:08:25
Oh what a sad life it must be to be a rakgers fan.

When they lose they hate themselves, if they win they hate everyone else. And even when they reach a European final, everyone falls over themselves to remiind them how despised they are, how bad their team is and how unwelcome they are.

Celtic on the other hand, revered wherever they go and admired by everyone for the way they go about playing the game, and more importantly than anything else, the fans, respected and applauded by everyone in football (except the jealous half-wits in scotland).

Aaaahhhhhhhh!
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NZGrantBear,

04/05/2008 05:26:10
#10 Silence or utter drivel... they dont understand how most of the UK realise what Celtic and their followers represent, never met and englishman who likes celtic or what they stand for.
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Tim_MallÔy,

04/05/2008 07:04:29
11 NZGrant

I have met hundreds and know dozens of English people who not just like Celtic but support. Most of them after watching the way The Lisbon Lions won the European Cup. The way that team played with verve pace and skill and what they overcame (ie the negativity of the Italian defensive system) endeared Celtic to millions worldwide.

Unfortunately Rangers European success was a case of hanging on with a team of dirty players bordering thugs and then ended in a riot and disgrace and subsequent ban from European Competition. Is it any wonder Celtic are more liked than Rangers.



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Magnet,

04/05/2008 09:06:21
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If you think that Celtic are liked more by the English then you are sadly mistaken ! I lived south of the border for 20 years and can assure you that they are seen by many as Irish terror supporters !
If you were English and had tae pic between the OF what would it be the proud Union Jack wavers or the Irish tricolour wavers ! I rest my case !
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Wee Pal Joe,

04/05/2008 09:26:26
#4 & 5,

Oh dear, Celtic fans have discovered another conspiracy. There has no discussion or discussion has been closed on many Rangers stories recently including UEFA Cup stories.

As for the banner about Nakamura, I'd be more inclined to listen to Celtic fans' complaints about it if they hadn't come up with a song about the same player which says "He eats chow mein and supports Sinn Fein".
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wayne bijlyeerheid,

04/05/2008 09:59:26
#12
"Celtic are liked more by the English"
This be some other "English", rather than the ones who live to the south of Scotland. Once a year St P's day is one thing, but see how long you would last in England when every week you're marching the streets with your foreign flags singing your anti-British songs. Even the vast majority of English people of Irish descent find your constant, narrow minded, plastic uber-nationalism embarrassing.

celtc minded, the great deluded.
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Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 10:04:58
Artur Boruc wears a T-Shirt which in very small print carries the message 'God Bless The Pope', a message of love, a prayer in fact, but allegedly in contravention of FIFA Rules.

Result ? The Scottish Sporting Media reponds with hysterical headlines, and for days. The story is shadowed all week on Reporting Scotland, until the Thursday when, through gritted teeth, Dougie Vipond informs us that no action is to be taken about the incident.

Sporting columnists up and down the land have spent the week filling the column inches with atomic analysis about the incident, Boruc's previous misdemeanours are given an airing and generally Scotland's sporting media sizzled with indignation.

Before a world T.V. audience, Scotland's Shame brandish a huge banner screaming out the racist message 'Nakamura Ate My Dog', and Scottish Sporting media doesn't start having kittens, doesn't start getting its sanctimonious knickers in a twist ...in fact, Scottish Sporting Media says, well, nothing at all.

Not a peep out of them. No stern words from Jackie Bird or Dougie Vipond. Nada , amigos, nada.
16

Magnet,

04/05/2008 10:23:01
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Mope !
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The Undeniable Truth,

04/05/2008 11:19:30
It does seem to me these days that playing against celtic, involves playing the referee as well, not many yahoos complaining about Masonic referees these days.

Now however, it seems that whilst playing celtic, the players of certain clubs have not only to play against yahoo loving referees, but also their own managers as well.

Some remarkable staffing decisions made by the Motherwell manager yesterday, will I am sure be reversed when playing Rangers this week

Still its not uncommon, remember Frank McGarvey (St Mirren) and Jim Duffy (Dundee) last leugue games of the season where Timothy won league titles.

Personally I would like to see the teams managed by Jimmy Calderwood or Craig Levein get third place for their hones endeavour.
19

The Undeniable Truth,

04/05/2008 11:19:46
I am sure we will be hearing the great chant of

Rangers ….Chelsea !!!!
Rangers ….Chelsea !!!!

As both win their respective European Cups
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The Undeniable Truth,

04/05/2008 11:24:37
#19
Error....HONEST ENDEAVOUR!!!!!!
22

Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 11:25:52
19

Your paranoia is boundless.
It's time for you to seek help.

Paranoia, racism and an ill-fitting superiority complex...the quintessential Rangers fan.

You can take the Rangers fan to culture, but you cannot make him think. Best just to drop him off at the nearest psychiatric ward.
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04/05/2008 11:25:59
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04/05/2008 11:26:49
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The Undeniable Truth,

04/05/2008 11:31:52
#23
I thought it was.... You can take the man out of Ireland, but you cannot take Ireland out the man!!

Glad you recognise the superiority.....its best to know your place..
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Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 11:32:42
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Speak english boy !
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Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 11:35:53
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Nice racist touch there...you're proving my point, if such were needed.
33

celtc r atrocious,

sydney 04/05/2008 11:53:30
# 33 bro wilfred
are you idee in disguise ?
if not must be on same drugs
come on over to our side bro
hey wilf we're havin a party
WATP
Forza The People
34

The best-Rangers,

04/05/2008 11:57:45
Slagging catholic education is racist? What fool said that?

You have to question why your average celtc fans just can't do logical thinking. It's either genetic or taught.

celtc fans bitterness is fantastic. We're in two finals, won one already and in pole position for the league.
35

Backofthenet,

04/05/2008 12:00:19
"Artur Boruc wears a T-Shirt which in very small print..."(16)

Ever thought of having an eye test? ;o)
36

The best-Rangers,

The pride of Scotland 04/05/2008 12:00:44
Hopefully there will be no racist or sectarian decision making come the UEFA cup final and the whole of Scotland gets behind Scotland's representative.

Sadly I think we'll see the true face of celtc fans, pure racism and sectarianism.
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hip priest,

disgracelands 04/05/2008 12:24:42
Anglo Bear and True Blue,you are both despicable characters,people who will laugh at racist/bigoted/anti-semitic suggestions by yoursef and your fellow supporters,yet always have clever,alternative reason for what your actions imply.
However,you will get indignant with rage and possibly violent thoughts regarding the phrase on Boruc's t-shirt,when it does not threaten or abuse anyones faith.
Why/how can you possibly feel threatened?Is it because eastern europeans will make Scotland Catholic again?These feelings you have say more about you,couple of fannies.
Hail Hail
38

The best-Rangers,

04/05/2008 12:32:22
Hip, shut it. Boruc prostituted his religion. A shameful act in anyone's language.

It's also against Fifa regulations although nothing will be done or SFA and SPL members lives and families lives will be at risk from celtc fans. Bricks and windows anyone?
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Tim_MallÔy,

04/05/2008 12:34:48
I had a level of respect for WS until I read today's article in the Scotsman - "Walter Smith Profile".

Disgraceful that he used physical violence in the workplace and against young lighweight kids makes it even worse.

I met Walter once when I was playing football and he was assistant manager at Rangers under Souness- another bully boy. He stood by the public park in his big blue padded anorak and a blue and white golfing umbrella. Standing by the gravel pitch he watched me and mates warming up - we were wearing green and white jerseys - more hibs than celtic. I jogged over to the sideline and said "coming to watch a good team Walter" He smiled. Then about five minutes before we kicked off he turned around and watched the game on the other pitch - where his boy was playing in a school match I believe.

He is a big guy Walter but if he physically assaulted me - even when I was sixteen, he would have been getting a good few back (I was doing boxing training back then as well and knew how to punch my weight). Bullies are always cowards and usually can't take it back. Wee Jim McLean was a bully too - when he punched John Barnes, how I wished that reporter had retaliated and flattened the wee nark.

Back to Smith and when WS was a player I never saw him bullying the likes of Bobby Murdoch or Jim Brogan. Even Celtic's wee guys back then were too much for him - remember Dixie and Harry Hood running him ragged in the 74 cup final.

Smith a duff player, an average manager and as I now have discovered a characterless bullying rat of a man -I hope the dog gets his day.


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The best-Rangers,

04/05/2008 12:39:14
Advocaat said: "It is incredible what the Scottish authorities are trying to do to Rangers. I know all about Walter's situation because I read the Daily Record website.

"I read what Walter had to say about it last week and thought he was 100 per cent correct. Any other country in the world would do its best to help one of their clubs playing in a European final.

"But I know from my time in Scotland how things work there.

Everyone is only worried about their own interests and they do not look at the big picture.

"The Russian League are doing all they can to help us. It would be much fairer for Walter if he was allowed the same kind of freedom.

"It's unbelievable that a club can go to a European final in circumstances like this. Walter and Rangers are not just playing for themselves, they are playing for all of Scottish football.

"But everyone in Scotland is only concerned with their own interests when they should be thinking about what is best for the country. Walter has worked a miracle to take Rangers this far and should be given support."

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Only in Scotland. And we know the reason, anti protestant bigotry. You have three catholic clubs running the SPL this year-celtc, dufc and hibs (with Falkirk making up the numbers). Make no mistake, the decision making is pure sectarian and the 'self interest' is not in the club sense of the word but the religion.Only in Scotland. And we know the reason, anti protestant bigotry. You have three catholic clubs running the SPL this year-celtc, dufc and hibs (with Falkirk making up the numbers). Make no mistake, the decision making is pure sectarian and the 'self interest' is not in the club sense of the word but the religion.
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The best-Rangers,

04/05/2008 12:41:00
celtc fans getting right behind a Russian club that will not sign black players because of their racist fans. A marriage made in heaven after the banana throwing at Mark Walters debut.

celtc, if they didn't exist you couldn't make them up.
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hip priest,

disgracelands 04/05/2008 12:45:50
No.39-i don't support Boruc's immature act in wearing t-shirt with,but to compare an inoffensive slogan with the racist implication 'Nakamura ate my dog' is offensive,especially trying to passit off with reference to Freddie Starr.If you want to be offensive and provoke reaction,at least have the courage to stand up for you behaviour.God bless.
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Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 12:48:41
41

Paranoid, delusional,racist,siege mentality.

Are you Gordon Smith in disguise...are all those big papish UEFA men hiding under your bed, conspiring to fit your club up with more sectarian charges ?
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Tim_MallÔy,

04/05/2008 12:51:39
Though I don't agree Artur was right to do what he did, I am glad he did it as it has exposed the bigots in Scotland yet again. It's time we the decent people of Britain got rid of this nazi loving, catholic hating, monarchy crawling scum.
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The best-Rangers,

04/05/2008 12:56:16
Time to get rid of the people who don't like the place more like.
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The best-Rangers,

04/05/2008 12:58:23
Pious, full of crap, poor excuses for human beings=plastic paddy pretend religious.
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The Undeniable Truth,

04/05/2008 13:02:47
#40 Timmy Mallet

"even when I was sixteen, he would have been getting a good few back (I was doing boxing training back then as well and knew how to punch my weight)."
What a little Pr!ck you are....bet your really a big girls blouse

Get the facts right
1. Most Managers at that time controlled in that manner, though Clough, Fergusson, Stein, Shankly, Its the way it was...and you as a wee sixteen year old choirbhoy would have took it as well....how many retaliated at celtic bhoys club....to Torbert’s abuse

2. True Walter wasn’t a great player....like Stein, Shankly, Busby, Clough, Fergusson, ...in fact not many great players have been great managers.

keep focussed on this issue

It does seem to me these days that playing against celtic, involves playing the referee as well, not many yahoos complaining about Masonic referees these days.

Now however, it seems that whilst playing celtic, the players of certain clubs have not only to play against yahoo loving referees, but also their own managers as well.

Some remarkable staffing decisions made by the Motherwell manager yesterday, will I am sure be reversed when playing Rangers this week

Still its not uncommon, remember Frank McGarvey (St Mirren) and Jim Duffy (Dundee) last league games of the season where Timothy won league titles.

Personally I would like to see the teams managed by Jimmy Calderwood or Craig Levein get third place for their honest endeavour.
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Tim_MallÔy,

04/05/2008 13:03:38
46

Better to get rid of the people who are making the place ugly. Don't you think? Why let a minority of 50-100,000 ruin it for a population of 4.2 million.

47

You certainly couldn't make us up - because our club and our story and our history is one of the most unique and greatest stories in the history of sport.

Not did Big Walter know he actually did. What big Walter did. Shame on him.

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Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 13:03:40
46-48


More racism.
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Tim_MallÔy,

04/05/2008 13:09:33
49

You want facts - er...last time Celtic won on the last day was versus St Johnstone at Celtic Park. Not Dundee or Paisley. But if you want to talk about last games;

Dunfermline in 2003 managed by Calderwood a rangers diehard.

Celtic v Motherwell in 2005 managed by Terry Butcher a rangers diehard, ex captain and cult hero.

I could go on but why entertain you further dullard.

ps...How many Celtic kids stood up to Torbett - quite a few he ended up in jail.

Smith should have been sacked and jailed for assault.

btw Big Girl's blouse? Anytime you fancy it give me your email.





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Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 13:11:47
I think, much as they will try to make themselves look cuddly, Rangers will bring disgrace upon themselves, and Scotland, during the trip to Manchester.

It will make no difference whether they win or lose...they will show their true colours, and under the eyes of a world T.V. audience.

They will show themselves for what they are...they cannot contain themselves on these occassions.
The sfa will be holding its breath as regards how much damage they will do to the image of Scottish football...Rangers are the only team in history to find themselves banned from europe after winning a european trophy...I can see history repeating itself.
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Tim_MallÔy,

04/05/2008 13:12:57
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You missed my point re;Kid's Bully Smith.

I was stating he picked his victims - ie young kids/apprentices. When it came to standing up and being a man on the field of play - Kids Bully Smith was not interested. I never saw him go ahead with Davie Hay for example who would have gone through him like a dose of the salts.

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Tim_MallÔy,

04/05/2008 13:15:04
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Disagree Bro. Wal.

I don't think Rangers will win the trophy but I do agree they will disgrace Scotland on and off the park. A shower of bully boy thugs led by a bully boy thug.

What Walter did. Get him jailed.
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Tim_MallÔy,

04/05/2008 13:20:49
MON THE HIBEES
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The Undeniable Truth,

04/05/2008 13:54:39
# TIMMY (HORIZONTAL) MALLET

I don’t think you are able to read, maybe your education was not of a high standard, and you had walter mitty delusions of becoming a boxer, after you took off your blouse.

Threatening violence .......just keeping up the image of Yahoo...
"yer scum and you know you are".

It is understandable why the Motherwell manager is keeping celtics slim hopes of the title alive...HE MIGHT BE MANAGER, When wee gs slinks oot the back door, the spl winner goes straight into the champions league.

So TIMMY (HORIZONTAL) MALLET....the closest you’ve come to a boxing ring is a canvas carrier bag



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Daillyman,

04/05/2008 14:42:04
55 Tim

Nearly every boss at top class level treated their young players like sh!te, they bitched if the bath was not cleaned properly, they moaned if the laundry was not done right, the first team players screamed at you if the kit was not laid out right or their boots had a smudge on them.

It was all part of the apprenticeship, and was no different that kids learning a building trade. Come off your high horse regarding WS, he must have done something right as he helped build a very successful Dundee United who were full of young homegrown players who came through the youth system.
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Colin P,

04/05/2008 16:02:18
Good day gents.
Well done to the Hibs. Rangers took the game to them in the latter stages, and they stood firm. It will be a tough time in the last games.

I see the BBC has announced that King Carlos has won his second Player of the Year Award, this one from the Scottish Football Writers.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

04/05/2008 16:10:31
A win would have been nice, as it invariably is, but I can't think that a draw away to a decent, fresh Hibs side after the extraordinary exertions of Thursday night is actually a bad result. What it does mean of course, is that we really now need to win our 2 home games against Motherwell and Dundee Utd over the next 6 days. That would leave us just one point behind with a game in hand, and as James rightly says, it would be "squeaky bum time" for both sets of fans. The added bonus of winning those 2 games of course, would be that it would leave Hibs in a stronger position to claim 3rd place, and further motivate them for their trip to CP on the Sunday.

I'm happy to remind everyone that I said right at the start that this one would go to the wire, and it looks like I'll be spot on with that prediction. Doesn't bother me much, it's the way that true football fans would want the season to finish. I've seen many league championships come and go, and if Celtic edge this one, good luck to them, as I know the pain they must have felt in 2003 and 2005.

Ultimately, 68 games may prove just a little too much, but if we end up as UEFA Cup winners, double domestic cup winners, and still push Celtic all the way in the SPL, then I'll be hugely proud of a group of players who will have given us a season that will never be forgotten.

I'd certainly take the UEFA, with the bonus of the CIS and Scottish cups, over the SPL at this moment.

Great effort lads, and it ain't over yet.
61

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 16:16:50
Rangers have done nothing the easy way this season, why would things change now?

Very glad the next games are at Ibrox as we need to get our game in order. A couple of home wins will set us back on course.
62

The Undeniable Truth,

04/05/2008 16:25:43
Its time to give Gow and Boyd, a chance to see what they can do in the run in.
63

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 16:32:37
64 The Undeniable Truth,

I don't think Cousin should be getting any more starting places. Gow hasn't shown anything, not that he's had a chance.
Boyd, Novo and Darchville will do.
64

paulmac,

surrey 04/05/2008 16:32:44
#62

A hint of resignation there BE.
65

BEMUSED EXILE,

04/05/2008 16:33:55
Absolutely NO chance of Gow getting an opportunity, but Boyd should see some action, particularly with Cousin having largely alienated himself.

A little bit of rotation is certainly necessary, but every game is a must win now, so WS won't experiment too much. The good news is the imminent return of Burke, Adam, Beasley and McCulloch, which will give a few options.

It really is one game at a time now, then worry about the next. My biggest concern is that we avoid any injuries in our 2 home games, because the UEFA Final will be next up, and that's not only our biggest game of the season, it's our biggest game in 36 years.
66

Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 16:45:43
Cuellar banned for the next match and Weir one booking away from a three match ban.

Boyd had twenty minutes on the park and didn't have a shot at goal. Darcheville added no threat. Cousin hadn't done very much.

The big decision of the match was the offside ruling (incorrect as demonstrated on setanta) which stopped a
Hibs player being one on one with Alexander...but don't expect the laptopmeejaloyalists to dwell over that obsessively for the next 24 hours as they have done over that corner kick Celtic were awarded yesterday.

The bookies have narrowed the odds again, so much so that Celtic and Rangers are virtually neck and neck...points in the bag babes, points in the bag.

Hail! Hail!
67

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 16:46:34
The fact that Gers have only picked up 2 points from the last 12 and still have the league in their own hands only shows up the quality of the challengers.

It was a hard game on Thursday, so a draw wasn't exactly a surprise. Home games next have come at a good time.
68

Daillyman,

04/05/2008 16:49:15
69 James

Over the last few tic matches, how many errors by officials have contributed to the tic winning games. And I know they are human and make mistakes except when the Gers happen to win and the officials according to tic supporters are bias.
69

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 16:49:48
70 Brother Walfrid

Oh yes Bro Wally, I wish the linesmen always got them right to! ;}
70

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 16:50:21
or too even
71

BEMUSED EXILE,

04/05/2008 16:54:51
I can never match you as a statistician, James. It has been a while, but our home SPL record is exceptional, and that's where we are for the next 180 minutes of action. 6 points from those will really create a tense finish for both teams, and would give RFC's confidence in their ability to win the SPL a real boost.

Either way, it's a lot nicer being in Rangers position, where the SPL represents one trophy opportunity out of four, rather than being an all-or-nothing battle as it is for Celtic.

I can well remember 2003, when some of the biggest names in the Scottish sports media stated that Celtic reaching the UEFA Final, (even although they ended up winning nothing) was a greater achievement than Rangers treble that same season, and I fully understood that viewpoint.

It therefore follows that if Rangers lose out in the UEFA Final and the SPL, just as Celtic did 5 years ago, but end up with both domestic cups, that will be an even more remarkable achievement.

If they actually go that one step further and WIN the UEFA Cup, then their achievement will dwarf Celtic's SPL triumph (if they do triumph), as well as also dwarfing Celtic's 2003 season.

It really has been a remarkable campaign, and I've never been more proud of RFC.
72

Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 16:56:43
If Rangers win all their remaining games, they will deserve the title.

I won't stoop to the level of the laptopmeejaloyalists and suggest that the offside ruling today which got Rangers off the hook was anything other than a mistake.

As for Tom English, writing obsessively in this very blatt today about referee Conroy and that corner kick decision, you won't hear a peep out of him or his ilk about that incorrect decision today that saved Rangers from defeat.
73

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 16:59:46
BE

We could very easily end up losing both SPL and Uefa, but I'm not for changing a thing this season so far.

The Quad would quite simply be the greatest achievement in Scottish footballing history, so no wonder it isn't coming easily.
74

Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 17:01:21
77

Greatest since 1967, possibly.
75

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 17:03:41
76 Brother Walfrid

Bro Wally, I'd be happy to trade the point the linesman gave us today for the two points the linesman took off us last week. Them's the breaks, give it up about the officials.
76

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 17:05:14
76 Brother Walfrid
Nope.
Winning a quad would be the greatest ever achievement by any Scottish team.
77

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 17:17:01
81 James

I do have a laugh at the 1967 brigade, these are the same guys who get sick of hearing about England 1966 I think.

Just a wee wind up to get your chests puffed out there;)

78

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 17:26:47
85 James,,

LOL

Well I'm hoping to be able to bore the grandkids about '08!
79

BEMUSED EXILE,

04/05/2008 17:27:20
I totally agree. These things do tend to even themselves out over the course of the season, and if Celtic fans accept that, then they'll get no argument from me.

The Glasgow Cup? Now, that IS getting desperate. The fact that "first-teams" competed for it, doesn't mean that they placed a high priority on it. It's another domestic competition where RFC have had a lot more triumphs than Celtic, but to boast about it would just be ridiculous.

1967 V 2008 is an interesting argument, but it's only one worth having if and when RFC actually complete the "Quadruple", which, IMO, is unlikely, as I would now class us as slight underdogs in both the SPL and UEFA.

The European Cup was certainly a much bigger deal than the UEFA Cup would be, but there are other aspects to consider when assessing the scale of the "achievement". For example, Celtic were a superb side in 1967, whereas Rangers are battling against the odds to win 4 trophies with a limited level of ability. It's probably also worth pointing out that RFC were in a European final that same season, so their commitment in terms of number of games probably wasn't much behind Celtic, whereas this season, I would estimate off the top of my head that Rangers will play at least a dozen more competitive matches than Celtic.

So, it's not a simple debate.
80

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 17:37:11
BE
I also feel that Gers will be doing well to win the SPL or the Uefa cup, and its very likely that we will win neither.

The most telling stat in comparing 1967 and 2008 should Rangers actually pull this off would be the dates themselves.
There can be no valid comparison of football acheivements with 40 years in between.


These things don't come easy.
81

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 17:40:40
89 James,,

I hope you were old enough to have been there in 67 otherwise you have no tales of your own other than that year you got to the final and Rangers won the treble. I'll take this year over that, cheers.
82

Ajax MacKindling,

04/05/2008 17:47:04
93 James,,

Anything is still possible.

With the way the away and home games pan out I'd make the Celts slight favourites to win them all over Rangers, and Zenit are a bit of an egnigma in the Uefa final, but they can certainly score. So no idea how that game will pan out.

As a Rangers fan I wouldn't change a thing this season...so far!
83

Richardinho,

04/05/2008 18:59:57
I see rangers got the benefit of a dodgy offside decision today. Maybe now they'll realise that refs decisions do go both ways.
well maybe..

Pretty obvious today that Rangers were still feeling the effects of Thursday night-and why not?-they should celebrate that.
Of all their remaining fixtures this was the one I thought they might struggle in and so it wasn't a great suprise. I'd expect them to be fresh for Wednesday when they take on Motherwell.
And somehow I doubt the likes of Bob Malcom and Ross McCormack will be as desperate to beat Rangers as they were to beat Celtic.

84

Colin P,

04/05/2008 19:26:53
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but it is 36 years since Rangers were last in a Euro final, right?

How many years was it between 1967 and the next Euro final Celtc was in? Sorry, but I don't recall them making one between then and 2003.
How many years is that? 36 you say?

Conspiracy, anyone? lol
85

Colin P,

04/05/2008 19:30:39
I think it's funny that, earlier this season it was some of the Celtc fans going on about referee decisions costing them games. Now, some Rangers are doing the very same thing.
Referee decisions will go for or against teams in a game. Some player would do well to remember that refs are indeed human, and the foul-mouthed rants at them may come back to haunt said players either later that game, or in the season.
Refs are human. Mistakes can and will be made. Screaming at them does you no favours. Borderline illegal rants on newspaper sports threads only make you look like an a$$ to everyone. I'm sure you all know who I mean.
86

Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 19:32:40
FTP Malcolm should be dropped for Motherwell's games against Rangers.

Mark McGee would be a fool to trust him. He is a complete ned that associates with gangsters and has RFC and all its nasty traditions coursing through his veins. There is no way he could be trusted given thins are so tight...even if he wanted to play it straight, he'd probably stand to lose a lot socially if he didn't pull a few strokes.
87

Brother Walfrid,

04/05/2008 19:33:36
He'd get himself sent off for dissent ...after giving away a penalty.
88

Colin P,

04/05/2008 19:34:06
100
erm...saddo
89

invictager,

Kent 04/05/2008 20:11:15
#97
Spent half of yesterday pointing out the same thing only to be stunned by reading Tim ranting about 100 years of bigotry. What age is the guy to know that.

As you said - BOTH ways.

Ps
cant decide who is writing the biggest p1sh today, the best ranger at #41 or idee a t#100

Pps
As it is obvious that not just football is being discussed Im off.
90

Colin P,

04/05/2008 22:22:53
104 Cheers, James. You're right.
91

Tim_MallÔy,

04/05/2008 23:22:22
Evening gents,

Well yet again I called it right 0-0. I think this whole defensive approach will come back to haunt Rangers. Admittedly the absence of Naismith and Burke has affected selection but again today why did Rangers not freshen it up and send out a more attack minded team - Boyd looks like he has put on a stone since he last played and Gow must be wondering what he has to do to get a game.

Though I have predicted a few scores this season I have to admit it's now on a knife edge and can go either way.

Whatever the outcome, I hope Celtic buy a few players in the summer to beef up the squad and make the last 8 in the CL.

Strachan must stay.

 

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