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Published Date: 25 November 2007
HUNDREDS of protesters are expected to gather at Oxford University after students yesterday voted to allow BNP leader Nick Griffin to speak at their union.
Controversial historian David Irving, who was jailed for Holocaust denial, has also been invited to the free speech event tomorrow.

Their presence on the list of speakers had already prompted a series of high-profile withdrawals from the platform
, including Defence Secretary Des Browne.

Despite opposition, the Oxford Union Debating Society members voted by a margin of two-to-one to extend an invite to Griffin.

Martin McCluskey, president of the Oxford Student Union, said it was "disgraceful" the pair were being given the same platform as past speakers who included Mother Theresa and the Dalai Lama.

Anti-fascist leaders, who were organising a demonstration at tomorrow's event, have claimed that some union members were excluded from the vote.

Sabby Dhalu, secretary of campaign group Unite Against Fascism, said: "If the event goes ahead as it stands, it does not even have the appearance of a 'debate'.

"Oxford Union will have to hold itself responsible for any subsequent repercussions on the threats to the safety of students if it proceeds with this decision."

Lee Jasper, secretary of the National Assembly Against Racism, added: "Oxford Union is jeopardising the safety of the students by continuing with this event.

"It is not too late to rescind these invites. Oxford Union gathers growing condemnation with every moment it continues being complicit with facilitating a meeting promoting fascism and Holocaust denial."

The move was also opposed by the university's Muslim and Jewish societies.

Defending its decision, the Oxford Union Debating Society said it was important to give people of all views a platform.

Luke Tryl, president of the society, said: "They will be speaking in the context of a forum in which there will be other speakers to challenge and attack their views in a head-to-head manner."

The university's newspaper, Cherwell, has quoted Duncan Money, a second-year student, as saying he received death threats after criticising fascist groups in an internet blog.

He said: "My family has been threatened, my friends have been threatened and I've been threatened. Someone rang in the middle of the night and said they would cut my throat."



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  • Last Updated: 24 November 2007 10:50 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Far Right in the UK
 
1

Jason,

25/11/2007 01:31:06

What happened to free speech? People like Nick Griffin are constantly being misreported and prosecuted on trumped up charges. The same goes for Enoch Powell, George Galloway, David Irving... If only people would listen to what these people actually said and not what the media said they said, there would be far less misrepresentation. Like it or not, the BNP look set to make big gains at the next General Election. Immigration's not the only issue, but it's the major one. Ironic that those trying to stop Nick Griffin speaking at the Oxford Union are using Fascist methods to further their political viewpoint.

2

Guga II,

Rockall 25/11/2007 06:40:49

As #1 Jason points out, what happened to free speech?

What are these people afraid of? Are we moving towards totalitarianism so quickly that they feel they have to ban free speech, or attack someone for expressing an opinion?

If idiots like David Irving want to make a speech, why should they not be allowed to? If you don't agree with what he says, fine. Instead of applauding him, you can laugh at him. Laughter is a lot more effective in such cases than trying to ban people from speaking.

Those who would cause a riot because this man is speaking are, in themselves, acting like the brown shirts in Hitler's Germany; attacking anyone who they disagree with, or who disagrees with the "party" line.

3

fife runner,

25/11/2007 07:39:21

totally agree. Even if you do not agree with their views it is the people who are trying to disrupt meetings like this who are the real facists. They cannot get their views across by argument and so like the bullies they are try and stop who they do not like by force.

On another note, I once stopped by a group of students outside Glasgow Uni who were banging on about the Middle East. I actually began to try and have a discussion and after about 2 minutes their leader took them away and tried to ignore me such was the level of their argument they could not hold a meaningful discussion. Groups opposing the above debate are the same. They cannot hold any meaningful discussions.

One of the reasons the BNP have been relatively successful down south is the fact they have never really been challenged in a debate. The groups opposing cannot see this.

4

Dubban,

Aberdeen 25/11/2007 08:45:34

It appears typical of a University like Oxford that students are prepared to do anything, listen to anybody, in order to publicise their attendance at what appears to be regarded as our "top University". It does not seem to matter that there is nothing to learn from BNP people, or other extremists for that matter. If one doesn't already know then it is easy to find out. To allow such people a platform is nothing short of disgraceful. On the other hand, I would let them do it - it shows us what Oxord Uni. and its students are really like.

5

de Hairun,

25/11/2007 09:21:03

There is the right to free speech and there is the right not to listen if you dont want to. Why is this such big news? I honestly dont think there is much differnce between the facists who are giving the speeches and the ones wanting them banned - two sides of the one coin. Both best ignored.

6

Steve F.,

Worcs. 25/11/2007 09:32:32

There will always be some people who's opinions and beliefs are thankfully lost on the population at large. As many others here have said, their critics are in turn using the stifling of debate as a means of control - the very thing they condemn.
I hold no brief for the BNP, but lets take a look at the track record of those who tell us how odious this party is.
The abandonment of our borders and a shameless surrender of sovereignty the the EU, a failure to uphold law and order, no control over immigration and the piece by piece destruction of a country I used to be proud to live in. Illegal wars, absurd levels of political correctitude, a fractured and divided society, spineless MPs who have failed in totality to listen to the people - the list is just too long. Bearing this in mind, just where do these people get the idea from they are the good guys?
I've yet to hear of the BNP endorsing such actions, so perhaps we should listen without predjudice - unlike those who govern us?

7

Cadgers,

Perth 25/11/2007 09:34:53

Free speech is free, if you don't like what's being said don't go.
It's funny that those at Findsbury mosque eg. can use "free speech" but invited guest speakers at Oxford uni can't.

8

fife runner,

25/11/2007 09:45:21

all BNP say is look what is happening to our country when free speech is being banned.

#4 what do you mean what they are really like at Oxford?

9

Boy Wonder,

25/11/2007 11:15:20

By all means, let the bigot speak! The trick is to allow a few other speakers on afterwards to refute every single word uttered by this hatemonger!

Do not give the likes of the BNP to become martyrs to their hateful cause!

10

Alex.,

25/11/2007 11:36:01

"Oxford Union will have to hold itself responsible for any subsequent repercussions on the threats to the safety of students if it proceeds with this decision"

So who appointed Sabby Dhalu, secretary of campaign group Unite Against Fascism, as censor of what anyone says and infer violence will occur if something is said that he doesn't like? People are entitled to their opinion no matter what he or anyone else thinks. It's a mark of a free society. Was it Churchill who said that he can disagree with someones opinion but would fight for that persons right to hold such an opinion? If disturbances do take place the police should look at Sabby Dhalu with a view to charges of inciting violence.

11

Pinelands,

PINELANDS. Where the heart is 25/11/2007 12:06:37

Let there be free speech
does'nt cost a lot

#4 have you any answer for Fife Runner these lovely sweeping statements Fife and myself dont know what they are all like, some may vary, some may differ, some may not be the same.

So lets have this overall picture you have of everyone at Oxford

12

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25/11/2007 12:19:26
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25/11/2007 12:23:45
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hassan i sabbah,

25/11/2007 12:42:17

No guesses who Odin (are you really a god?) would support in this "debate"

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25/11/2007 15:01:27
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16

Urban Guerrilla,

25/11/2007 15:15:35

Congratulations to the Oxford Union. Freedom of speech means the freedom for people to say unpopular things, which it's then up to others (using the same freedom of speech) to refute.

17

Odin,

Scotland 25/11/2007 15:45:00

# 16
Urban Guerrilla

You have expounded a universal truth upon which Western Europe was founded on.

Be alert there are those that want to destroy that which we hold dear!

18

fife runner,

25/11/2007 15:59:02

if violence does erupt then we can blame those who want to stifle free speech. Be warned, the insidious nature of the so called anti racist alliance. They are not anti racist but anti anyone who wants free speech apart from what they believe.

19

Odin,

Scotland 25/11/2007 17:00:58

#18

Fife Runner

Violence is the way of those that oppose freedom of thought and speech.

Anti-racism is a powerful instrument of genocide that effectively silences the voice the victims, that is to say white Britains.

Any white voice courageous enough to be raised in protest is perscecuted by the authorities for "Racism and promoting Hate"

Result is that the very police that are appointed to protect all members of the population begin to surpress the voices of white dissent, protest and thereby quell any aspirations by white Britons for the attainment of equal rights.

Join the fight against constructive genocide now.

20

hassan i sabbah,

25/11/2007 19:49:06

BONEHEID TROLLS ABOVE _BEWARE!!!

21

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 25/11/2007 20:06:19

I would like to applaud Oxford's decision in allowing Nick Griffin to speak, not because I support his views but this is a victory for free speach. However, one cannot say the same for the liberal imbeciles of Edinburgh University who cancelled a speech by Dr Jim Watson for his apparently racist remarks regarding evolution.
I agree with #2 in his likening of these people to the Nazi brown shirts of the 30's.

22

Allan(handofgod137),

26/11/2007 00:09:08

About time, perhaps the press should start accurately reporting what the man says, because from what I've heard so far he tells it like it is.

23

Worried Scot,

26/11/2007 08:05:14

13

"Leicester will have a non-white majority in a few years, Birmingham will have a Muslim majority in about ten years"

Your point is? Both Leicester, Birmingham and the rest of the country will have a BRITISH majority as they do now.

Let Griffin speak - show him up for the ignorant, closed minded filthy little racist that he is, banning him will just give him the opportunity to batter on about freedom of speech in the media and gain the support of more ignorant biggots.

24

Odin,

Scotland 26/11/2007 14:23:37

#13

Worried Scot

I hope you will be happy under Sharia Law forced on you by what you describe as a "British" majority.

Also, I hope for the sake of your female relations that they are partial to the Burka and accept being forbidden to drive a vehicle!

25

Odin,

Scotland 26/11/2007 15:34:03

# 23

Worried Scot

My point in essence is the fact that Genocide is wrong.

The extinction of any indiginous population group through replacement by any other race group is genocde.

At the preset population growth rate White British people will be replaced by British people of Asian and African origin in circa 100 years.

An example of constructive Genocide

You have confused Nationality with race.
This is constructive genocide. Every race has the right to continue to occupy its ancestral homeland

26

suileandubh,

australia 24/05/2009 04:54:05
That's frightening. facism has no place in the UK. its dangerous racist forms of so called politics have caused enough trouble in the world. shame on you Oxford Students Union.
27

redcliffe62,

24/05/2009 15:58:36
free speech precludes other factors. if giys are hideous in their comments i wnat the right to hear why they are hideous. there are enough politically correct people telling us all what to do. mp's take note.
much of what the bnp says is over the top. but some of it has a basic resonance for people who are struggling and see others get an unfair kickstart up the ladder of life.
denying access is not the way to promote free speech, and i commend oxford uni for allowing anyone to say their piece,, be he israeli, iranian, or welsh. the welsh are a bit iffy i know but free speech means we have to allow them.
as an old boy of said city who saw some interesting things debated in the early 80's we need to respect and hear from those we disgaree with, so that the debate can be activated based on facts and not rhetoric.
28

redcliffe62,

24/05/2009 16:02:53
ther eis a tipping point in voting where the votes of aminority are deemed so important that no party will take them on and accedes to their demands. 20% is a good marker, which has been reached in some cities in the midlands and the north on matters relating to immigration.
amsterdam and brussels in recent elections regarding the moslem minority spring to mind.
the views of all people need to be considered, but do not tell me what i should or should not be allowed to think after careful analysis.

 

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