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Salmond backs plans for Islamic faith school



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Published Date: 18 May 2008
SCOTLAND'S first state-funded Islamic school could get the go-ahead within months after First Minister Alex Salmond declared he was "sympathetic" towards the controversial move.
Campaigners are planning to submit a detailed proposal for the faith school to Glasgow City Council within two months and officials last night confirmed they would consult on the proposal.

But former Scottish education minister Sam Galbraith condemned the move as a "retrograde step", arguing that it would be bad for the Muslim community by hindering integration.

Scotland has around 43,000 Muslims, about 18,000 of them in Glasgow. While there are more than 100 Islamic schools south of the border, both private and state-supported, Scottish Muslims have so far failed to establish a faith school and some in the community question whether it is a good idea in an age of increased ethnic and religious tension.

Scotland has more than 400 publicly funded Roman Catholic schools as well as three state-supported Scottish Episcopalian schools and a publicly funded Jewish school.

A spokesman for Salmond said: "We are very much sympathetic to the idea. The First Minister is supportive. He thinks that faith schools are a good thing and they make a great contribution to Scotland. The issue is whether there is a sustainable demand for them.

"We would expect a local authority to react positively where there is a sustainable case."

After failing in a previous campaign, a group of Muslim community leaders in Glasgow is preparing a case for at least one school, which they will present in about two months' time. They are gathering names of families who they think will want to send their children to an Islamic school.

A spokesman for the campaign said: "We're working on things right now so that we can present a strong case to the authority – to show that we are united behind this and that there are enough of us so that the case is obviously sustainable."

Glasgow City Council said it would consider any reasonable plan that parents could come up with. A spokeswoman for council leader Stephen Purcell said: "Basically, if the parents come forward with a sustainable plan, both financially and educationally, we will consult on that plan."

The full article contains 378 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

Alfred E. Neuman,

18/05/2008 00:01:53
Salmond is a joke.
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18/05/2008 00:08:15
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/05/2008 00:19:34
Not "comfortable" with this.
Schools should be secular.
4

subrosa,

18/05/2008 00:26:30
No, no, no. Don't do this. As Conan says schools should be secular. The SNP will lose thousands of votes if this goes ahead because the public don't support it.
5

Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 00:30:12
Agreed Conan. I don't like it one little bit either.

Surely to goodness ... Secular state = secular education.

Catholic education, islamic education, wee-free education ... whatever ... none of these should have a place in Scottish society. We just saw during the week past how old hatreds are perpetuated in this country. I don't want an education system that shores that up, either now or in a future independent Scotland.
6

GBscot,

Idaho Falls 18/05/2008 00:31:37
Let's have a referendum on this PLEASE!
7

whitegold,

Shire 18/05/2008 00:40:37
#5
I have to disagree. I don't accept the State should be dictating everything. In principle I think what happens in education should be in partnership with parents. I've no problem if there is sufficient demand from parents. My reservation is that would the religious element be an ethos or something domineering?
8

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 18/05/2008 00:43:31
Like I said once before...Glub, Glub, Glub..more political correctness, and more of you drowning in it.
If they want an Islamic school, the Islamic community should raise the money and pay for it; there should be a separation of church and state for any school. Yhr gov't should not support religious schools.
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MtnKat,

On Holiday At The Grand Canyon, Breathtaking 18/05/2008 00:45:59
Based on the headline, I agree with the above comments. Unfortunately, I couldn't read the article. I'm getting the message "The article has been unable to display."
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MtnKat,

On Holiday At The Grand Canyon, Breathtaking 18/05/2008 00:56:21
Ah, now it's showing.
I am receiving quite an education here. One of the foundations of their constitution is separation of church and state.
It has it's merits.
12

Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 18/05/2008 00:56:35
Very bad idea.

I believe we should be working towards all schools being secular.

I don't remember this ever being supported by SNP National Conference. It would almost certainly get voted down if the leadership allowed a debate on it.
13

subrosa,

18/05/2008 00:58:55
# 9 Wardog when I mentioned votes it was my way of saying how much the public would be against this.

My opinion is that this is a Christian country first and foremost and the denominal schools which currently exist have been there for many years, although I don't necessarily agree we should have them in this country.

To ask taxpayers to pay for a non-Christian school is one step too far for me.

Is Muslims or any other non Christian faith wishes their own schools then let them finance them. I have no problem with that. Why is it necessary for Muslims to have their own schools? There are plenty schools in Glasgow with falling rolls I'm told.


14

subrosa,

18/05/2008 00:59:56
Is should read If, apologies
15

Alfred E. Neuman,

18/05/2008 01:16:30
13 Subrosa

Come, come silly child, Alex Salmond and the SNP do not give a flyer about principles, they are going to buy some more votes for independence.

It is well known many economic immigrants reject British values, and rejecting the union if you got your own we seperatist school would be worth it.

Salmond fears letting the Scots speak, so wants to get as many foreigners as possible domiciled here and on the electoral register so they can destroy something British for him.

Who cares if Scotland then becomes secular? He doesn't, he's a selfish, moraless swine.
16

zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 18/05/2008 01:24:32
whitegold #7 said:

"I don't accept the State should be dictating everything." Yes, but that doesn't mean they should be paying to allow schools to be controlled by religions.

"In principle I think what happens in education should be in partnership with parents. I've no problem if there is sufficient demand from parents." It should be up to the parents to 'educate' their children in their religion (within limits).

"My reservation is that would the religious element be an ethos or something domineering?" Do you really think that in Catholic or Muslim schools religion isn't domineering?

17

Cincinnatus,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 01:24:56
It's a consistent policy commitment, deepens support for RC schools and starts to transform the agenda.

Zealous secularism is no more or less damaging than any kind of zealousness.
18

Conan the Librarian™,

18/05/2008 01:34:48
7
Islam? Domineering?

Philip Larkin - This Be The Verse...
19

Fraser MacDonald,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 02:32:26
Why does the Scottish government think it is acceptable do segregate children on the basis of their parents' religion, and then brainwash them by promoting one faith over another (or none)?

We should be eradicating all forms of religious and racial discrimination, not finding new ones.
20

karinxxx,

18/05/2008 03:26:13
i personally dont have a fixed religion of any kind in fact i dont think i am too sure that a god any god exists.
However some people do and i think we have to live and let live.

To argue that religion brainwashes children towards a particular religion misses the point that to advocate state control of religous education is also brainwashing children against a particular religion.

if i say that i belevie in the religion of faries does that mean that if the govenment declares that I should not be taught about faries that the faries will no longer exist.

Religiion does not lead to sectarianism people do. Surely therefore it is people who should be legislated agaisnt and not religion?

I think that the government should provide secular education and that the different religions ie. parents and preachers should provide the funding for relisgous education of any kind. that way all religions can be heard or if parents choose NONE.

21

W Smith,

Middle East 18/05/2008 04:01:27
"The Islamic faith is one of the world's great religions" said Alex Salmond just days after the WTC attack in September 2001.

After an Israeli airstrike in Lebanon our First Minister will jump up and shout "Judaism is one of the world's great religions" then, eh?

This is the same Alex Bin Salmond who can't support our Scottich troops in Afghanistan but he can support divisive Islamic education.

BTW
One muslim school in Dundee was closed down as it was run my militants who had no intention of giving the kids academic education - it was religious education.

The SNP in Dundee (Hosie and Fitzpatrick) said nothing and just looked the other way.

TYPICAL.
22

missing home,

la verne 18/05/2008 05:54:14
People of different faiths who come here, to a basically Christian country, should not expect any special benefits nor to make their new country their old, only different(maybe). It is mind boggling how bend over backwards western civilisation is, jeez oh!
Mr. Salmond, so far I have respected and been proud of most of your moves, not what I can say for the opposition, don't lose it now!
23

Pender Paul,

Pender Island 18/05/2008 06:17:11
Not a penny for any religious school, period. Schools are for the teaching of literacy, numeracy, physical education, vocational training and science. Period. Let those who want a religious experience go to the place of their choice at the weekend.
24

Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 06:46:51
# 5
It sound as if you don't care to much for Chatholic education in Scotland Let me tell you something,it's sound's like to me as if you are a bigot, But I'm sure you don't know the definition of the word bigot,look in the mirror you will see what a bigot is.
I'm all for a free Scotland, you on the other hand need to open your eyes and see what's going on in your in the world today,THAT'S RIGHT,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT IT WHAT'S GOOD FOR SCOTLAND,Education is a door opener, But I guess all your doors are closed.
EMPTY VESELS MAKE THE MOST NOISE,THINK ABOUT IT?
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18/05/2008 06:47:02
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18/05/2008 06:52:07
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Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 06:56:08
# 27
I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HER,I GUESS WHEN I LEFT SCHOOL BACK IN 72 SHE WAS STILL THERE.
28

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 18/05/2008 06:58:45
SNP supporting multiculturalism? Why? It hasn't worked anywhere else. All kids should have the same schooling and all religions should be given equal attention within that education. The RC/non Denom divide in Scotland already divides us; why add to this? Think again, Governor Salmond.
29

Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 07:10:33
#30
I didn't realize my grammar & my punctuation was so important, I was replying to a comment made by someone else, and not you, I take it you are an EDITOR / ENGLISH TEACHER, or just someone that looks for minor faults in others,if any.
I suggest by judging me maybe makes you feel good about yourself,if that is so,all I can say,you must have a very sad life.
30

Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 18/05/2008 07:17:48
When I was in school in Montrose there were two Roman Catholic pupils in my class. They went out when the rest of us were getting R.E. which was basically just reading the Bible (King James) and I don't remember any doctrine being taught. In High School we had a morning assembly when we sang a hymn or two. In those days Scotland was at least nominally a Christian country.
A country's strength is built on its foundations. Nowadays the foundations appear to be becoming fragmented by Multi-culturalism and I can't see that as being an improvement. Would someone like to try to persuade me otherwise?
31

Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 07:18:12
# 33
Very well said,this is how it was for me also,the janitors where cool dudes,but at that time I didn't realize it.
32

subrosa,

18/05/2008 07:22:15
# 15

Don't patronise me. I'm old enough to be your grandmother and have been round the block quite a few times. Also you're wrong. This won't get Alex Salmond more support; quite the reverse.

# 26 Well said. I'm off to email my MSP as I feel strongly about this. We mustn't have any more division on religious grounds.
33

FritzRutland,

Nova Scotia 18/05/2008 07:25:36
This bloody fool of a first minister,truly believes himself to be clever. Scotland can and should do better.
Mac.
34

catgut,

pomona 18/05/2008 07:29:07
its time that all schools were free of religion. Soon they will be teaching kids that a man in a cloud made the planet in 7 days.
35

Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 07:39:43
#35 Stewart
I like your train of thought,you are absolutely right everything should be built on a good foundation,this is why we are having so many problems today,the foundations are being destroyed,but their is knowone repairing them, O so easy to ignore them,and hope that someone else fixes the problem.
PS I hope my grammar and punctuation is okay with you.
36

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 18/05/2008 07:49:08
I seem to remember being taught about all religions at RE lessons at school (admittedly, it was a long time ago, and I wasn't paying the slightest bit of attention). By all means teach childern about religion, but keep enforced prayers out of education.

However, if parents want to send their childern to a particular schoool, based on their religion, that's up to them, as long as the ciriculum is followed. I just think it is a bit misguided, aspecially on the 'integration' front, but then again, who wants a society where everyone is exactly the same?
37

Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 07:49:22
Bring them on
I take it you are still in Scotland, I immigrated back in 98 to the good old U.S.A
But my heart is,and will always be with Scotland.
I get home sick sometimes even to this day,I guess it will always be this way.
38

The Tin Man,

Over teh Rainbow 18/05/2008 07:53:58
#35 Stewart

Ahhh... yes, you are right - in my school the catholics did get seperate RE lessons from the rest. Does that still go on?
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Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 08:13:21
#30
Before making comments about other peoples Grammar / Punctuation / Spelling.
I suggest you look at your own ( FIRST ) this is not a personal chat line,it is like an open book,I guess by your Grammar,Punctuation, Spelling it's been a while since you looked at on,I SUGGEST YOU GET OUT YOUR DICTIONARY.
PS Please have as we say here in the U.S hAve A wOnDerFUlL dAY?
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Slippylizard,

Sunny Rock 18/05/2008 08:16:16
Absolute disgrace!

There should be no faith schools. Not even Roman Catholic schools. "I'll tell you what we will work towards an integrated country but we will rip children apart at the age of 5 and send them to differing schools".

Why should I as a taxpayer be paying to educate Roman Catholics or Muslims to practice their faith. If they want to do it then do it at home or out of school. RC schools do not teach their children about other faiths so I doubt Muslim schools will do the same. If they do exist they must be forced to teach about other religions. This is a massive hold the RC church has over te Scottish nation and we should force them to let go.

Also teachers cannot get promoted posts in RC schools, would the same apply in Muslim schools? Would if be acceptable to have "Black only" or "White only" schools? Why are schools nased on religion allowed and allowed to descriminate?

As I said "disgraceful".

41

big big fun,

18/05/2008 08:18:51
why has the scotsman stopped anyone from commenting on the sports section ?
42

Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 08:23:03
Bring then on
I don't really know what to say to you that would mend your feelings for your football team.
Only time will tell,it will be another headline in the Daily Record for others to dwell on, you never know Liverpool, or Blachburn, Montrose, Aberdeen, or may be even Celtic next week, it will as you are aware go on for some time,just like anything else News something to talk about in the local bar/ pub.
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Garry Otton,

SCOTTISH MEDIA MONITOR com 18/05/2008 08:31:42
NO! NO! NO!

Already in Salmond's divided Scotland we are promised more sectarian schools. Now what?

School inspectors have already been forced to close these schools down. Will Sunnis and Sh'ias be fighting to demand separate schools too? Religion should have an age of consent.
44

Alan B,

18/05/2008 08:36:47
I am against islamic schools and think the snp is wrong with this policy. However to be consistent u have to ban all faith schools. The problem at the moment is that it is simply wrong to allow some faiths religious schools and not others. It is discriminitory, sectarian and incourages the view that it is simply racist.

I am against all faith schools anyway. Catholic schools bread divide in our society. I am not saying that is their intension but simply by not allowing kids to grow up and mix with everyone else causes this divide.

If u want to practice religion this can be done in churches, mosques and temples and should not be done in the school.

Having said that until politicians do the right thing and abolish all faith schooling then u cannot ban muslin schools only.
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Garry Otton,

SCOTTISH MEDIA MONITOR com 18/05/2008 08:38:27
# 45 TinMan.

The Government has rejected a recommendation from the parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights (JCHR) that school pupils of "sufficient maturity and intelligence" should be able to opt out of religious education and collective worship. It is nothing short of the brainwashing of children is schools.

And it doesn't stop there! Have you wondered why there isn't some qualified comment following a news story, but instead, the BBC radio news has to be interrupted by religious proselytising? (They call it 'Thought for the Day')
46

Jimmy the Pie,

18/05/2008 08:45:48
I'm against ALL religious schools. Secular has to be the way ahead. There are no faith schools in Orkney and no religious intolerance (apart from that brought into the islands).
Think again Alex
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thinking,

Scotland 18/05/2008 08:47:15
If the public are so against faith schools, as so many posters are saying, then why do so many non-Catholics try to get their children into Catholic schools?
Could it be the better discipline and generally higher standards that these schools have?
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whitegold,

Shire 18/05/2008 08:49:27
Out of interest why are different types of schools 'divisive'?

Does diversity necesssarily mean division?

Perhaps we ought to ban independent schools since they are divisive? Or home schooling - it is different and so divisive.

Lets ban football teams and political parties. They are divisive. In fact people shouldn't really have their own opinions. Let the government tell us what is acceptable to think and jail everyone who differs.

You can justify anything under the umbrella of 'ban it it is divisive'.

I'm not a fan of Islam - but I'm even less of a fan of the State taking away any freedom of choice from people.

The calls of banning schools because they are 'divisive' just doesn't hold water. In fact those holding that POV seem every bit as bad as Islamic fundamentalists who go around trampling on personal freedoms at every opportunity.
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expat in the sun,

La Oliva 18/05/2008 08:53:14
With all the problems in the world caused by religeous zealots and their adherants - governments should be getting rid of secular schools - not encouraging them - and cetainly not funding them from the public purse.

But only in UK, and Scotland is no better, would you find such PC nonsense even being considered.

Another of the reasons I don't live in Scotland anymore
50

Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 08:53:29
#51
It's not as you have put it descriminated, education in Scotland has always as far as I can remember, had Catholic schools and none Catholic schools.
As a matter of fact,when I was at school on one side of the street was a Catholic school,and right across the street was a none Catholic school,most of my best friends where at differant schools,it was never a topic of what school you went to it was just a bunch of kids going to differant schools,but we all played afterwords ( together as kids do )
Sounds like you have a problem with R.C schools,let me let you in to something I have known for about 51 years now,it not going to change or go away.
Don't be so upset,get over it, I'm sure you have friends, or your children have friends that go to R.C school, or may be you will need a blood transfusion some day and the blood you got came from someone that was a,as you put it Roman Catholic, I take it that your anger may subside.
(((( good night )))
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Vigilant Watcher,

Bo'ness 18/05/2008 08:57:41
Retrograde step. Segregation by definition segregates.

A recent report indicated that there was islamaphobia and moslems find it difficult to fully integrate due to it. Further segregation won't help!

Rather than succumb to pressure for more state sponsored religious schools he would be better to plan to eradicate them all and create a truly integrated education system free from indoctrination of any sort.

Child abuse is rightly condemned in all other areas of life and should also be with religious 'faith'. Teach our children to think for themselves first, present the honest comparative truth, and let them decide.

The alternative is, where there is parental pressure, let them finance the school themselves and not expect others to support their narrow and restricting world view.

Until, of course, there is no need for religion at all.
52

Navvy,

18/05/2008 09:05:35
Not good
Divisive we already have kids picking on other kids because they go to a catholic or non-catholic school

Review the policies on grant aided schools. If the Muslim community want muslim schools then they can have the percapita cost of providing school places to build and run their own schools subjuec to the core curriculum being provided and inspected
53

Vigilant Watcher,

Bo'ness 18/05/2008 09:08:55
Whitegold, you're right. The state should but out and not finance any religious schools rather than support more!

Parents SHOULD have the choice? And if they really want it, let them build their own schools and teach their own children.

We've seen the repercussions of that over the centuries with almost all conflicts, persecutions and the even the worst abuses of last century having their genesis in religious belief of some kind or other.

It's a wonderful example to give our children.
54

Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 09:11:23
To most of you guys out there,the government has some of you arguing with one another,we are all Scottish here,if we all had to go fight for our country again,would it matter what religion you where if the guy next to you just saved your life, I AS YOU, I YOU EVEN CONSIDER SAYING YES, I SUGGEST THE NEXT TIME THE ROUND MAY JUST FIND IT'S TARGET!!!!
1.10 AM OVER HERE IN VEGAS. GOOD NIGHT
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Alan B,

18/05/2008 09:15:17
#thinking

"Could it be the better discipline and generally higher standards that these schools have?"

i thought it was untrue that faith schools have higher academic achievement. i remember seeing a tv report a while ago that stated this was a falsehood said be supporters of religious schools that could not be substantiated.

The issue is not really whether a religious school is better run but whether it has damaging affects to society as a whole.

Growing up as a kid and meeting muslim kids and having muslim friends at school creates a positive environment. If they were kept separate and u did not have muslim friends at school it would encourage ignorance and allow views to be set by the media.

One thing i noticed, is that i did not think about a persons religion at school. I had friends from school who were muslim, hindu and sheikh. It was only when i started my degree, when catholic students were mixed that it because noticable that there was some sort of artificial divide.

One girl near the time of graduation, on talking about what it was like to come to glasgow (she was from the east), said the thing she found strange was being asked waht school u come from to find out someones religion.

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Pomodora,

Gravesend 18/05/2008 09:18:47
Does Wee Eck got to bed drunk and rise still drunk? The whole world is moving towards secular schooling and he is back in the nineteenth century confusing education with religion. He must frustrate his followers who have to answer for his many hair-brained schemes. He should follow the lead of Australia and France and insist that the best place to continue the practice of diverse culture is back in the land where it ws first learned. Smarten up Alex...and that might take some time.
57

JT,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 09:19:32
If people want faith schools bloody well pay for it themselves. Not a penny from the public purse should got to a school that wants to segregate itself from society. Dont ban them just make them pay for it! This goes for all sectors that want faith schools, after all the catholic church is not short of a bob or too. Also this would hinder intergration within society and whats to say that a Islamic school would teach children how to live acording to the law of the land or our language.
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Stevie. G,

Las Vegas 18/05/2008 09:32:36
# 69
What a bunch of sillyness,segregate it's self from society,what are you talking about boy,public schooling comes from the Government,and always has where do you get SEGREGATING IT'S SELF FROM SOCIETY.
The language would be Gaelic then I take it.
I take it you are of Scottish blood,and know NOTHING OF THE HISTORY OF SCOTLAND.
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Garry Otton,

SCOTTISH MEDIA MONITOR com 18/05/2008 09:33:22
Trouble is JT, if you check out secular.org you'll see that religion DOES have the money to fund them. The Church has rather a lot of money.

As for sectarian schools being better for kids. Studies have disproved this. They cherry-pick and charge higher fees. Parents can be very gullible.
60

Dk,

Broxburn 18/05/2008 09:52:00
It’s about time all these bigots’ and so called Christians took there heads out of the sand and started to compare the similarities between Islam and Christianity not the differences and welcomed the Muslims to our country. These people are no different from the many other immigrants to Scotland/Britain and given a true welcome they will integrate and add richness to our lives.
61

Dk,

Broxburn 18/05/2008 09:56:23
Now I am more than ever convinced to vote for Salmond
62

subrosa,

18/05/2008 10:25:47
# 73

I welcome all law abiding immigrants to my country. I don't agree with schools base on religion. Schools are for the formal education of reading, writing and arithmetic plus other academic subjects.

People can make choices but not all choices should be funded by the taxpayer. This is one of them.
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Osama Bin Liner,

edinburgh 18/05/2008 10:37:16
This is very, very wrong. I was brought up a catholic and am an SNP supporter but object very strongly to this policy. The governmment should be moving Scotland towards secular education and pulling back on funnding separate catholic schools. If any group wants religious based education, they shold raise the funds themselves.

We should not be funding archaisc belief systems just because their adherents are voters (naive, I know) bubt a radical government should be sponsoring the study of the rational not irrational belief which does little to take forward our country or foster understanding
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MoiraMac,

18/05/2008 10:37:45
The SNP have just lost my vote. Shame I had thought Independence would be a good thing. The problem is who do I vote for now? Perhaps I should make plans to move to Australia or France. I'm fed-up feeling like a foreigner in what I thought was my home country. Would Muslim Schools in Scotland mean more Muslims moving here?
Buddist Schools would be a different matter, I would be all for that. I'm in favour of 'peace and love' and totally opposed to 'war and hate'.
Bye-Bye Alex Salmond you are not as wise as I thought you were.
65

Dk,

Broxburn 18/05/2008 10:47:55
#76 “Religion” is a subject and if we taught about all religions in school we would have a better understanding of each other. I was at a catholic school that taught tolerance for other religions.

The taxpayer funds war better to fund education of all kinds
66

Hamartia,

Islamisbad 18/05/2008 10:57:59
Islam needs to be reclassified as a cult. It is a dangerous construct for mind control. They get them at birth and bring them up on prayers five times a day. If that is not brainwashing, I don't know what is. They're either praying, coming back from praying, planning on going to pray next,getting washed and taking off their jewellery for the next round... Five times a day - out of, say 16 hours awake, praying and planning to pray and going to pray and coming back from prayer must take at least 2 1/2 - three hours out of that. That is mind control by any definition.
67

Electric Hermit,

18/05/2008 11:00:14
The fact that an otherwise remarkably astute politician such as Salmond can make such a glaring error of judgement is a testament to the intellectually debilitating influence of religion.

Step back from the brink, Alex! A modern, enlightened nation demands secular schools. Put religion back in the temples and asylums where it belongs! Keep the pedlars of ignorance and superstition away from our children!
68

MoiraMac,

18/05/2008 11:03:32
#73
What happens when the immigrants out number the indigenous population? And these immigrants do not know the laws of the land and do not even speak the language. They all have different religious beliefs and cultures and want separate schools, churches, libraries, health centres etc etc etc. We're not far off that scenario! Would you still be as welcoming?

#76
Religion seems to be the root of most wars - so perhaps we should stop teaching religion then the taxpayers money that we currently spend on war could be spent on a providing children with a good basic education.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 18/05/2008 11:24:53
stop being a smart Alex we know Alex salmond is a very fly guy,but sometimes he outsmarts himself
to gain independence Alex Salmond will need more than foxy gunning's, better to use some straight thinking
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Hanz,

logtastica 18/05/2008 11:25:23
I am all for this hopefully by building these faith schools the SNP can get Scottish muslims on their side for a vote for independence. With further encouragement Salmond can encourage all the Muslims south of the border to move up to Scotland and he is guaranteed to win his referendum. But you never know the agenda can change so Scotland might become the first Islamic state in Europe.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 18/05/2008 11:27:33
stop being a smart Alex we know Alex salmond is a very fly guy,but sometimes he outsmarts himself
to gain independence Alex Salmond will need more than foxy cunning's, better to use some straight thinking
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Dk,

Broxburn 18/05/2008 11:31:15
#82 Yes most definitely. Your fears are completely founded on a lack of understanding. Symptomatic of the insularity and small mindedness of so many people in this country. The more diverse a society the more understanding will be the outcome.

War is a result of a lack of true religious practice
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MoiraMac,

18/05/2008 11:38:47
# 86 I don't believe you!!!
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MoiraMac,

18/05/2008 11:39:34
#82 DK Broxburn

I don't believe you!
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Dk,

Broxburn 18/05/2008 11:57:09
I am not asking you to belive me just to look at the biger picture and open your mind
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 18/05/2008 12:01:45
#82 MoiraMac

Calm down Moira! Governments can't stop religion.

P.S. Please expound on the bit about libraries. I am eagar to know...
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Capn Andy,

Glasgow. 18/05/2008 12:02:02
Personally I'm for integration in edecation, not segregation.
Alex. This will lose you any election, and end our hopes of independence.
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Capn Andy,

Glasgow. 18/05/2008 12:03:06
#91.
Ooops, Its 'education'.
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John S,

18/05/2008 12:10:36
I disagree with Alex Salmond on this one, you are wrong so don't rock the boat.
Faith schools do create divisions within a country. Surely if Christians and non Christians attend the same schools they would foster a better tolerance and understanding between religions from an early age.
All state schools should be secular and religious schools privately funded.

Malmø, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish.
A state funded school in Malmo has decided to have arabic as first language! This must be unique in the western world.September 9, 2004
Ok this will never happen in Scotland but ............
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He needs help!,

Angus 18/05/2008 12:42:23
This is a mistake - as with the majority of Posters, I am not in support of separate religious schools of any denomination. You cannot stop religion and we do need to educate our children but I don't see why the two have to be done under the same roof. Bringing young children together will help them learn that there are other religions in the world and to be tolerant of them.
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british and proud,

18/05/2008 12:53:17
all children should go to the same school. scotlands shame apartheid schools .END THEM NOW . ALEX SALMOND YOU ARE A CLOWN.
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RWHANKS,

Aberdeen 18/05/2008 13:00:00
Brilliant!!! Just lay the cornerstone down in let's say... Carlisle - New Castle, or better yet London! I hear it's a beautiful sight looking east over the Thames!
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weewumman,

Glaswegian in Bristol 18/05/2008 13:07:23
When are SMP's going to get it?

Instill separatism in children at five years old and reap the crop of racism by the time they have reached their teens!

C'mon Salmond - I expect better from a fellow Scot!
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RWHANKS,

Aberdeen 18/05/2008 13:07:43
Before you know it their will be a bleedin' "mosque" at the center of Edinburgh! GOD save us.
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RWHANKS,

Aberdeen 18/05/2008 13:10:03
If it reaches as far as Angus, I'll have no problem going to Orkney, Skye or even Canada.
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Lady inwaiting,

Glenrothes 18/05/2008 13:19:08
NO NO NO NO !!!!!!!!
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Wee Beardie,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 13:35:56
No, Alex. I'm an SNP voter but you have got this wrong.

Scotland, with its shameful sectarianism, is the last place where children should be separated on grounds of religion.

This is not an occasion for political expediency. And I believe you are out of step with the majority of SNP supporters.

Let's have a referendum on this.


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MoiraMac,

18/05/2008 13:36:09
Tin Man

Is there something specific you want to know about libraries or are you just getting your rocks off by trying to be smart?
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 18/05/2008 13:37:17
SNP supporting multiculturalism?

Why? It hasn't worked anywhere else.

All kids should have the same schooling and all religions should be given equal attention within that education.

The RC/non-denom divide in Scotland already plagues us; why add to this?

Think again, Governor Salmond
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little scouse on the prarie,

Spring 18/05/2008 13:50:13
Are there any Moslem countries where the schools turn out students equipped for the modern world??
What technology has been developed in Moslem countries in the last eight hundred years??
Do you want your Scots Moslems to have expertise in the barbarity of the Middle Ages, but not be able compete with their peers in the twnty first century??
Good luck, another pitiful idea from the loony left.
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Osama Bin Liner,

edinburgh 18/05/2008 13:50:32
If no one from SNP HQ is reading this, they should. Salmond really needs to think this one through again and put rationality and non-sectarianism at the heart of his agenda, not pandering to the muslim vote - it's too important an issue to get wrong. I don't want an independent Scotland to retain all its old warts.
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Alasdair Roy,

Aberdeen 18/05/2008 13:57:43
This is a foolish stance for Alex Salmond to take and is his first serious mistake as First Minister. I say this with some regret as a long standing member of his party. Islam (or Mohammedanism as it was more accurately known previously) is no more than a primitive totalitarian system with religious accretions. The number of cases involving its foot soldiers which are presently clogging up the British courts is sufficient testimony to its malevolence.

The state has no duty to sustain this pernicious doctrine and arguments on the basis of consistency with the treatment of other creeds do us no favours. For as Ralph Waldo Emerson famously said "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

Come on SNP members and Scotsman readers --- write in to Alex Salmond and help exorcise this particular hobgoblin from his world view. Help save Scotland and the West from the encroachments of Mohammedanism.
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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 18/05/2008 14:05:36
This will be a huge mistake from Alex Salmond.

After seeing the rampaging bigots in Manchester I am more convinced than ever that we have to get sectariansim out of Scotland.

That includes fazing out religious schools. It will be difficult but it has gone on too long.

There will be a huge political backlash against state funded Muslin schools and I agree with Osama Bin Liner. I hope HQ are reading these comments!
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Electric Hermit,

18/05/2008 14:10:13
There are very sound rational arguments against Salmond's stance on faith schools. The hateful sectarianism of bigots such as Alasdair Roy only serves to undermine these arguments and bring into disrepute what should be a reasoned case for strictly secular schools.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 14:20:28
If this School teaches true Islamic doctrine then surely it is a step in the right direction by taking away the element of Islamic fundamentalism being taught to youngsters by fundamentalist individuals??
If the school on the other hand is going to teach Islamic fundamentalism and extremist doctrine then it should be opposed.
Obviously the reaction to this shouldnt be knee jerk but details of its purpose and aims should be made available before a sensationalist press gives the story a provocative bias in order to sell papers or stir up anti Islamic rhetoric as seen above.
The reactions above are just typical reactionary biggotry so prevelant in this country to anything different.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 14:33:38
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The biggest Federations in the world are all multicultural how can you be a federalist and not support multiculturism??
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Richard M,

Scottish Raj 18/05/2008 14:37:58
An absolutely disastrous idea. Close to home, N.I. will take decades to dismantle the legacy of segregated education, and that's just Catholic and Protestant. Elsewhere in the world, Islamic schools have led to disaster; Saudi Arabia has always had a system of religious education, which hardly mattered before globalisation but is now instrumental in stoking Wahabbi hatred not just for infidels, but for other Muslims too. Pakistan introduced 'madrassas' in the late 1970s and the legacy is being borne-out today in the form of religious fanaticism which is being exported world-wide