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Published Date: 22 July 2007
DETECTIVES are shutting down at least one cannabis factory a week in their battle to contain an illegal industry created by reclassification of the drug, one of Scotland's leading police officers revealed last night.
Graeme Pearson, director general of the Scottish Drug Enforcement Agency (SDEA), said cannabis factory raids north of the Border had gone from none to 66 in the space of 12 months.

In comments that will be seen as critical of senior politicians who allowed cannabis to be "downgraded" from Class B to Class C, Pearson says organised crime saw a business opportunity and quickly moved in.

Pearson said Scotland's new generation of "industrial-sized" cannabis producers could be worth more than £7m - equivalent to eight million "spliffs".

The SDEA chief spoke out after the government announced cannabis could be returned to Class B. That prompted numerous admissions north and south of the Border from politicians who admitted smoking the drug as students.

But Pearson warned that society faced much more severe problems as a result of cannabis use, including the increased strength of the drug. He also revealed that many people were working in the factories in conditions similar to "slavery".

The move to reclassify cannabis was made in 2004 by the-then Home Secretary David Blunkett. It came despite fierce opposition from many experts who claimed it gave out the wrong message.

Pearson said: "It is not surprising that the public misunderstood the reclassification message. They began to think cannabis was OK and young people took that message to mean that it cannot be too bad to use and was no big deal.

"As a result, we have gone from zero cultivation of industrial-sized cannabis factories in Scotland a year ago, to 66 today."

It is estimated that around 60% of cannabis smoked in Britain these days is home-produced, compared with just 11% a decade ago. The UK trade is run by the 'Viet-Ching', an amalgamation of Vietnamese gangsters working alongside Chinese counterparts, the Triads.

Pearson said: "I am obviously concerned about cannabis and its links to organised crime."

He added: "Each factory can house up to 1,000 plants, each capable of producing £100,000-worth of cannabis, making production in Scotland alone worth at least £7m a year."

Across the country, factories have been built in houses, flats, industrial units and farms. And just as worrying as the soaring production rates is the fact that the cannabis is today around seven times stronger than the era when many top politicians were smoking it.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said his party had long called for the reclassification of the drug, adding that the evidence "shows all too clearly the real damage this drug can do to people, especially young people".

Margaret Smith, the Scottish Lib Dem justice spokeswoman, said the drug's classification needs to be kept under review. She said: "I find these facts and figures very worrying and cannabis is a drug we need to take seriously. We should not underestimate its potential for harm."

The anti-drugs campaigner Maxie Richards said it was a mistake to have reclassified cannabis. She said: "The government never listened to us when we warned about the damage the reclassification would do. I see beautiful young people whose lives have been destroyed by cannabis. David Blunkett should be called to account for what he did."

A Scottish Executive spokesman said they remained vigilant about the drug's dangers.

The full article contains 579 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 21 July 2007 9:25 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Drugs policy
 
1

Zoob Muncher,

Scotland 21/07/2007 23:15:02

Pearson said: "I am obviously concerned about cannabis and its links to organised crime."

WELL IF IT WAS NOT ILLEGAL THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR CONCERN AS THEY WOULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS AT A STROKE.

2

Suck-McCrunchie,

Doomster Hill 21/07/2007 23:20:04

"Scandal of Scots dope factories"

I am entirely affronted at this headline - as if it is governmental policy to encourage more people into higher education, then there was a need to create places like Glasgow Caledonian University.

3

'Hezza,

21/07/2007 23:32:01

should Scotchland not be proud to lead at something??

4

Senga Jean,

scotland 21/07/2007 23:38:54

#2 McCrunchie you suck!!!

5

Colin B,

Bearsden 21/07/2007 23:46:33

Do you think the police will charge Alastair Darling ? Start enforcing the law and people jsut might take the police and the law seriously - too many lenient judges like Roger Craik and "absurd" Social worker wanting non custodial sentences for violent crime ( EastDunbartsonshire ) and a corrupt and ineffective Crown Office and Fiscals Offices undermine the justice system in Scotland. The sooner Kenny McCaskill stops "going native" defending incompetence of police and Fiscals the better

6

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 21/07/2007 23:48:45

With the recent revelations on our MP's smoking the "POT"
Is it any-wonder these home factories have turned up?
After-all even a member of Parliament likes a Local cheap deal!

7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 21/07/2007 23:52:56

Good to see they "GRASSED" themselves! ;-)

8

Mcsnagpile,

S.E.A 22/07/2007 00:39:49

Mr & Mrs Wong, Lairds o ra coocadens are secretly turning scotland into a cannabis hot hoose. This does not seem to me a good recipe for undercover criminality. I hope we are monitoring the Green house gases.

9

Statsman,

22/07/2007 00:41:31

More scare nonsense. For the tiny percentage that go nuts after smoking cannabis non-stop, there are the silent majority of sensible users that risk being criminalised.

People are worried about crime. They aren't worried about people listening to Bob Marley.

Cannabis isn't a big deal. The Dutch smoke less that we do and they don't have to worry about prosecution.

10

Not A Unionist or Nationalist,

Dundee 22/07/2007 00:55:37

This is the third day running that there has been an article like this - I won't repeat myself - anyone who simplifies the problems of drugs really does not know the realities of the situation. It is not all black and white.

In any case I am increasingly of the opinion that individual drugs should not be dealt with in isolataion but as part of a whole drugs strategy - and that includes alcohol and tobacco.

11

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 22/07/2007 01:05:49

#10 I know that more than anyone, but sometimes a bit hilarity "breaks doors open"
NO IM NOT THE DRUG SQUAD ;-)

12

Richardinho,

22/07/2007 01:20:30

'And just as worrying as the soaring production rates is the fact that the cannabis is today around seven times stronger than the era when many top politicians were smoking it. '

Yet again this claim is repeated as fact without being attributed to any legitimate source. Where did they get it from I wonder? Shurely not Saturday's Scotsman where an identical unsourced claim was made!

An interesting insight into how journalism works.

13

Guga II,

Rockall 22/07/2007 01:39:10

This story is just a bit of journalistic sensationalism. In any event, the headline is surely wrong. it isn't a case of "Scots dope factories" so much as a case of "dope factories in Scotland".

I am also puzzled as to how grass is now allegedly stronger than it once was. Has someone being doing a bit of genetic modification. If so, they should tell all the junkies that it is GM dope, and that might put them off.

What's the next sensationalist headline going to be, "Scots Triads run amok"?

14

Zoob Muncher,

22/07/2007 01:40:29

#10 Why do you keep saying DRUGS when the topic is just cannabis? It seems to me it is YOU who is showing ignorance here. Cannabis is in my opinion more a herb than a drug as its effects are MILD compared with real drugs. Its a mind altering substance? Well it is, but hardly more mind altering than a plate of vegetable soup to a person feeling quite hungry or a mars bar for the same reason. Why do you do this? Is it to create a false perspective or to class it as equal to alcohol or tobacco or L.S.D. or heroin or cocaine? when they are NOT all the same. This absurd way of keeping all "drugs" lumped together is what CAUSES problems, so you should try to be more specific when talking about "drugs" because it is CANNABIS we are discussing in particular and not DRUGS as a whole. Please try to bear this in mind because unless you do, your case remains very very weak and undeterminable. Cheers.

15

Richardinho,

22/07/2007 01:44:31

If your drink suddenly became '7 times stronger' don't you think you might notice-and consequently cut down on the amount you consumed?

16

Zoob Muncher,

22/07/2007 01:45:04

For the uninitiated. SKUNK IS NOT 7x STRONGER THAN OTHER TYPES OF CANNABIS, FACT FACT FACT.

It may be 7x stronger than the soap bar poison that is NOT cannabis but only a TINY %age of cannabis is in this soap bar rubbish. So please please stop peddling total MYTHS.

17

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 22/07/2007 01:51:32

#14 JUST WAIT ONE MINUTE!!!!! AND DONT BE A STUPID "A"
Its the Authorities that class it as a Drug "NOT-ME"!

18

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22/07/2007 01:51:43
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19

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh UK 22/07/2007 01:56:54

#14 OOP'S not your calling me saying Drugs thought it was!

20

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 22/07/2007 02:03:55

An individual took a shot at a post of mine the other day.

These forums are hopefully a bit of entertainment, and in my view should never get personal.

My opinion on the "pot" thing is only my opinion. I personally believe it should be legalized and I have never smoked it.. It is the health question of youngsters that is really a concern.

The detractor is wrong, very wrong about Crystal meth and the fact that there are producers here in North America that routinely lace "Pot" with CM.

I do not know about the "J" in Scotland. However the same international syndicates are now involved in "grows" back home.

Crystal meth is very,very cheap this side of the Atlantic. Again maybe that is not so in Scotland,yet.

The jury is out on the the long term medical effects of extended pot use.
Yes "pot" does relieve discomfort for M.S, Glucoma and other disorders, and can be obtained with a prescription here in BC for certain medical conditions.
However the THC builds up in the brain and does just that,build up in the brain and we are now showing an increasingly large number of individual pot smokers in their thirties and forties with M.S. So who really knows?
My Grandfather (in Scotland) was encouraged to smoke cigarettes as a young boy to ward off lung infections.
Were the proponents of that being good natured, or marketing a dangerous product?

All the best.

21

Julian,

22/07/2007 02:23:04

What the article fails to mention is that cannabis use has gone down since the reclassification.

Anyone reading the article would think that the taking of this drug has run amok whereas all that's happened is there's less being imported and more being home grown. So what difference does that make?

22

Zoob Muncher,

22/07/2007 02:47:56

#18 I am sorry your nephew got into HEROIN but if CANNABIS was not illegal he would not have got this woeful advice from a lowlife. I dont mind your insult because I read your story on the earlier posting on this subject, however when my mother died when I was 13 years old (suicide incidentally, post-natal depression) where were all the flipping "experts" then, and my father got remarried before I knew what was going on and .......never mind.

After a few years of feeling totally ripped apart inside I first tried cannabis when I was 16 and for the first time since my mother who had been in hospital for her condition two or three times in 1966/67 before the tragedy of her death, I felt as though all the worries and hellish feelings of grief left me albeit temporarily and I could have a laugh for the first time since before her illness. Believe me it was a great relief and now I'm in my fifties the only thing that has depressed me anything like that horrible time was having my business destroyed by corrupt people in power. I would gladly do without ALL the material possessions I have amassed regardless of their value to go back and see my mother again BUT I CAN'T. And to be totally honest with you. I dont give a monkeys for the so called "experts" because I KNOW they are talking pure unadulterated urine, and they are LIARS. At 50 odd years old I am fitter than drinkers and non drinkers alike and no ammount of false anti-cannabis bollocks is going to change my mind on this subject O.K.

23

Zoob Muncher,

22/07/2007 03:20:06

P.S. There is no long term effects other than it seemingly preserving youth with its ability to slow down the ageing effect just like the "elixir of life" claims of a money spinning consortium of legal drug manufacturers. Cheers.

24

Wee Willie Winkie III,

California 22/07/2007 03:44:58

The problems with pot smoking:
1. Short term memory loss
2. It's illegal
3. Short term memory loss

(And why do you think they call it "short term" well, because it is intended the be lost shortly...)

25

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22/07/2007 04:05:10
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26

jambocanuck,

beautiful british columbia 22/07/2007 04:16:54

This article is very sensationalist, I'm getting more disappointed in the Scotsman every passing week. To imply that criminals were somehow magically not involved in the weed trade in Scotland prior to this cataclysmic reclassification (the criminals saw an opportunity and they moved in!?) just beggars belief!!! NAUON, I,m sorry about your nephew but I always question this theory that cannabis is a 'gateway drug', is it not more likely that people who try cannabis are by nature experimental and therefore more likely to try other substances? Not to say that anybody who tries cannabis will take other drugs automatically but I bet it'd be near impossible to find a heroin or crack addict who hadn't tried weed before.

27

Ferny454,

Coast of northern California 22/07/2007 04:25:05

I have a prescription from my Dr. for Pot. I smoke it most days to relax my muscles and by doing so, reducing the pain caused by spinal nerve damage.

I also smoked it in the 70's and never knew a single person to act out while loaded on Pot ...to drive crazy and get pulled over...to rob anyone ... We just laughed a lot. :}..

I don't know if your variety of pot is different than mine or not....but I just don't get all the hullaballoo. My kids all smoked pot as teenagers. They never moved on to hard drugs...they didn't drink like some of their friends did....never got arrested and eventually they all decided to get high on life.

Ya'll need to take deep breathes and calm down. Blaming pot for the drug problems or social ills in Scotland is way off the mark. Ya'll have a lot worse problems going on than pot. In fact if everyone over there smoked pot ya'll would be a whole lot happier.

Crack is what is killing our children and for that I have no answer since anyone can make it in a garage or kitchen. ..I remember being around speed freaks in the 70's. Weird people who would rob their own mothers for a fix. I hope Scotland is keeping crack out of your country. It is a horrible sight to behold.

I wish you all well and hope you don't mind my comments.

28

GalacticCannibal,

22/07/2007 04:31:37

Margaret Smith, the Scottish Lib Dem justice spokeswoman, said the drug's classification needs to be kept under review.

She said: "I find these facts and figures very worrying and cannabis is a drug we need to take seriously. We should not underestimate its potential for harm."

I though our idiot Pres. Bush was the hypocrite, but Margaret Smith, the Scottish Lib Dem statement, is so hypocritical, it beggars belief.

The most addictive drug in the world is nicotine which kills millions every year.

Chronic cigarette smoking is a major contributor to lung cancer, emphysema, and cardiovascular disease.

Ethyl Alcohol (booze) whisky beer wine is a toxic drug which kills millions every year.
Alcohol kills 6 ½ times the number of people killed by cocaine, heroin, and every other illegal drug combined

What is this hypocrite Margaret Smith doing to stop the human carnage to users of Nicotine and Alcohol ? Nothing.....

But cannabis a non toxic drug is a big problem for her. There is not one medical record of a death from an over dose of Cannabis.

And for all the squawkers demonizing Cannabis, stop killing yourselves with nicotine and alcohol.

People who migrate to hard drugs from cannabis are incapable of moderation and applying will power.

It’s nothing to do with cannabis, its all to do with weaklings who can't control themselves.

Ban nicotine and ban alcohol and you save tens millions lives every year. But they won't do that, because they would lose billions in tax revenue.

Legalize marijuana (cannabis) but control its potency to 3.5% max.

Respectfully

Galactic Cannibal

29

CaliforniaBhoy,

Long Beach, California 22/07/2007 05:17:46

Legalize it, control the potency, tax it and put the criminals out of business.

Oh, by the way, breast milk is a gateway drug!

30

Comerscroft,

22/07/2007 06:56:22

So the Scots ARE good at something? That makes a change.

31

ddmc,

22/07/2007 07:15:39

What the article fails to point out is that the majority of these grow houses are rented to Vietnamese people who then turn it into a factory who also steal the leccy.
They have been doing it down south for years & as the cops down there have cottoned on, they have movwed north. But is it too PC to say this ?

Grow factory = Organanised Crime
3-4 plants = cottage industry

Let people grow enough to feed their demand & wipe out vast crime profits at a stroke

32

James Moore,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 07:16:30

Now we know how the SNP got into power in Scotland!

33

Fro,

22/07/2007 07:40:04

While some cannabis is stronger than it was in the 60s, did you ever see the size of the joints they were smoking back then? They were the size of carrots!!!

34

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News Room 22/07/2007 07:40:26

#22

Were you using cannibas before that post or did you need some after?

35

GD,

Glasgow 22/07/2007 07:47:18

I take it this is going to be a daily assault on cannabis now from the one-track minded who pull facts out of thin air instead of listening to the experts.
Deny it all you like but the facts remain the same.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5230006.stm

36

drew 33,

22/07/2007 08:13:32

Pearson said: "I am obviously concerned about cannabis and its links to organised crime."
Is he referring to all these cannabis takers in the Labour Cabinet who took us into an illegal war in Iraq?

37

Jim P,

22/07/2007 08:18:09

I haven't got friends in high places, but I have got high in friends places!!!!

38

backshift,

22/07/2007 08:32:33

Be careful, Graeme, you're muscling in on Tom Wood's area and you know how he's cornered the media in rent-a-gob quotes.
But you're right and its people like Wood with the "right connections" who have put you behind the 8 ball on this issue. Look out for Woods.

39

Armageddon Outtahere,

22/07/2007 08:33:59

And still they try to ferret out cannabis growers, when it's the alcohol industry that needs pruning!

40

Jim P,

22/07/2007 08:45:13

#41 Armageddon

Alcohol, tobacco, gambling, drugs - all equally destructive in my view. (I will admit 3 visits to Perth races; gave up alcohol years ago). Does anyone recommend these activities to children when is the best time to start these? Or do adults feel happy to lead by example?

41

David Burness,

Larkhall 22/07/2007 09:05:59

I must admit I thought the headline was about schools too ( #2 ) at first.

People are free to kill themselves by whatever means they wish, but not to kill others. If the psychosis and schizophrenic effects of hash lead to murders or road deaths then there is an issue. And even though it smells more pleasant than tobacco I wouldnt be happy with the secondary effects of breathing the smoke, so it shouldnt be permitted to be smoked in pubs etc. But essentially if people are going to medicate themselves with hash or alcohol or internet porn, thats up to them. Why don't we just legalise everything and start from a position of "does it harm anyone other than the user?". Why do so many people want to interfere in other peoples lives?

42

Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 09:11:53

#42 David Burness

Unfortunately, some of them "medicate" themselves then get behind the wheel of a car. The hospitals are full of people suffering the consequences of this freedom.

43

Agent 99,

The cone of silence 22/07/2007 09:23:52

[36] GD: Thanks for the link; interesting reading.

One of the anomolies in my mind is the inclusion of magic mushrooms in class A. Notice that they are totally absent from the bar chart "Most Harmful Drugs". While this might be taken as a sign that they are not harmful at all, perhaps it would indicate the low incidence of usage.

Looking at the list, it is also surprising that cannabis is rated more dangerous than LSD. Just exactly what the metrics used in constructing this graph?

As you say, now the junk media have their teeth into this, we're likely to see ever escalating stories of horror dished out on a regular basis until there's another war or something to distract the journos. A sad waste of time.

44

Swilly Tisher,

Loch Maree 22/07/2007 09:26:32

Just hope they're not using any material harvested from GM crops ; then it would pose a REAL health problem. Now about that bright light and these noisy fans in a near-neighbour's attic...Should I get Plockton's PC Hamish on the case ?

45

Agent 99,

The cone of silence 22/07/2007 09:36:57

[43] Jim P: The hospital are full of people suffering the consequences...

Full? Come now, lets get a little perspective in this. Go to any UK urban hospital's A&E on a Friday/Saturday night and I think you'll likely revise that sweeping statement. Alcohol is the major cause of full hospitals.

I'm prepared to grant that the situation in the Netherlands may be different, but not radically so. And we're discussing Scottish society here, not Dutch.

46

Jim P,

Netherlands 22/07/2007 09:45:16

#46 Boswell

Yes, happy to admit "full" is an exaggeration. But
"smoking is behind nearly one-quarter of deaths in Scotland, rising to almost one- third in some communities", according to a recent Herald article. I lump "medication" by smoking, alcohol, drugs etc, together as not being generally advantageous to society.

I was not talking about Dutch society.

47

abcd,

22/07/2007 09:57:38

As a previous poster has noted, use of cannabis has decreased since the downgrading of its classification. But obviously that fact is inconvenient to the author of the artice, so is ignored.

The standard of journalism on this subject is terrible - and as usual the Scotsman papers lead the way.

And part of the consensus is the 'fact' that cannabis has grown stronger over the last few years. Anyone who actually wants a more informed discussion could start with Ben Goldacre's Bad Science column on the issue (http://www.badscience.net/?p=389#more-389).

And then make up your own mind.

48

Zoob Muncher,

22/07/2007 10:33:22

#35 No I havent got any just now but I could have done with some, but now I am not particularly bothered at the moment as I am going out to play at football for 3-4 hours at 1p.m.

10 halftime 20 the winners.

Cheers the noo.

49

big big fun,

here 22/07/2007 10:58:53

ban bingo ?

50

Carel,

Isle of Skye 22/07/2007 11:00:54

There must be some simple way of linking to previous comments 'cos loads of yous are doing it - but either I haven't figured it or there's something about my computer that stops it - any advice? (and I've not been smoking dope:-)

re 18.
The main point of the Dutch semi-legalisation of dope was to separate it from the heroin trade. Any hint of harder drugs around one of these "coffee shops" and it gets shut down. It's worked well too - fewer people smoke dope in The Netherlands than in most other European countries, and, more importantly, fewer young people are starting on heroin.

Here there is very strong anecdotal evidence that the heroin gang bosses for nearly twenty years have been using bought-over police to shut down anyone in their zones-of-control dealing in cannabis only. I first heard of this from Fife and recently again from the north of Glasgow.

They use exactly the same logic as the Dutch government, but in reverse; if you can only get dope from dealers who also offer smack you are more likely to try smack.

51

robbee,

22/07/2007 11:08:07

Why cant the Police stop arsing about bothering peaceful pot smokers and do something about the drunken idiots who regularly vandalise cars on our street on the way home from the pub. Shrieking an fighting at all hours.

Do something useful and stop trying to create problems where none exist. If you want to take cannabis production out of the hands of drug gangs let us grow a couple of plants without fear of prosecution.

For god sake stop writing these idiotic scare articles. In case you had not noticed most of our MP's have smoked hash and are still functioning normally. At least for a bunch of vote chasing scumbags trying to win the right wing idiot vote.

52

Swilly Tisher,

Loch Maree 22/07/2007 11:16:01

Many of the law enforcement officers who're tasked to smash down the pre-dawn doors of the unsuspecting will be going to their own beds pie-eyed on any given number of nights as a result of over indulging in the most destructive drug of all - alcohol. Strikes me, there's not an awful lot of difference.But I wouldn't know...unlike a certain number of cabinet ministers.

53

radicalpink,

fife 22/07/2007 11:18:46

Decriminalising drugs may seem shocking to some/many but hard as it is to imagine, I and many other sensible people believe it is the right way forward. Of course it won't cure addiction overnight (what will) but it will put an abrupt end to the murderously illegal profits made from drug associated criminality. The mythology of drug taking is not clear but it is essential to the plot of making peoples lives a misery and additional taxes for governmental coffers. Sad as it is I believe the government and the police do little to sod all to deal with the complexties of addiction. We need to legalise all drugs and stop treating addicts like lepers they are part of society whether we like their weakness or not. My goodness I hate a lack of compassion and common sense.

54

zorba,

airdrie 22/07/2007 11:42:39

Drug abuse has been a blight on Scottish Society for too long. Cannabis is the least addictive of these illegal drugs and has a calming effect on the user. While thre may be problems asociated with its use they are far less than those asociated with alcohol. I have not heard of any government figures informing the public of any deaths from cannabis abuse. Yet we are bombarded with the percentages of people who die each year from alcohol abuse. I personally feel that it is time for the government(be it Edinburgh or westminster) to legalise cannabis. Its effects are no worse than alcohol which can make people depressed and paranoid. The government should take control of the purchase of cannabis and device legislation to ensure strict selling laws are inforced. The profits from such an organised control could reduce personal taxation and allow the government to fund health and sports projects. After all wether it is class A,B,or C the problem of cannabis is not going to go away.

Then it should turn its attention to the pushers of heroin and cocaine making the sentences tougher for those convicted from the minor dealer to the major ones. Sentences should start at 30 years upwards. Then well see who wants to sell drugs. At present the police and government are losing their war against drugs, They are still being sold openly in the streets of Airdrie and its surrounding Villages where there seems to be no police or DEA presence. Some dealers even to home deliveries.

55

fifer1981,

fife 22/07/2007 12:02:12

quote "As a result, we have gone from zero cultivation of industrial-sized cannabis factories in Scotland a year ago, to 66 today." ..... are these poeple deluded in thinking people were not growing this stuff pre 2004 before the declassification . i know from a miss guided youth to stories from my parents that it has alway been here in the same way houses owned with no people living in them only plants ect . there have been " plant shops " selling hydroponic set ups and correct lighting and ventilation set ups for years to set up "factorys"its just not been highlighted by the tabloids as much as today

56

fifer1981,

fife 22/07/2007 12:07:59

quote ". robbee / 12:08pm 22 Jul 2007 Why cant the Police stop arsing about bothering peaceful pot smokers and do something about the drunken idiots who regularly vandalise cars on our street on the way home from the pub. Shrieking an fighting at all hours.

Do something useful and stop trying to create problems where none exist. If you want to take cannabis production out of the hands of drug gangs let us grow a couple of plants without fear of prosecution.

For god sake stop writing these idiotic scare articles. In case you had not noticed most of our MP's have smoked hash and are still functioning normally. At least for a bunch of vote chasing scumbags trying to win the right wing idiot vote."

round of applause for robee . i to think this country should be worrying a little bit more about the over the top drinking "asbo" culture of todays youths than the ones who sit at home with mates having a laugh and a smoke not causing any harm to any one but them selfs

57

Luigi the evil Twin,

22/07/2007 12:11:57

Wheres my keys ? Im sure I had them somewhere. Hang on a minute, Ill find them here. Just have to read this article it look interesting. Wheres my money ? Im sure it was in my pocket. No , ill be there in a minute. If it doesnt stop raining what will happen , will the parks turn into lakes. wouldnt that be cool ?

Wheres the keys... hang on whats on TV, fancy a sandwich before we go out.

58

Carel,

Isle of Skye 22/07/2007 12:19:04

58.
SNIPS
".........turn its attention to the pushers of heroin and cocaine making the sentences tougher for those convicted from the minor dealer to the major ones. Sentences should start at 30 years upwards. Then well see who wants to sell drugs. At present the police and government are losing their war against drugs, They are still being sold openly in the streets of Airdrie and its surrounding Villages where there seems to be no police or DEA presence. Some dealers even to home deliveries."

We know from the US experience who would still deal in heroin - it's the addicts. When heroin is illegal it becomes a pyramid selling scheme. The users can only afford it by illegal activities and some will deal in order to be able to afford it. In the US they have locked up millions, hundreds of thousands for stretches that here would be called life sentences - heroin use is only marginally lower than here.

The answer to Scotland's heroin problem is to go back to the policies that kept it away till the '70s. Then it was as illegal as it is now to trade in heroin - but anyone who went to a GP for help with withdrawals got prescribed heroin. It was totally normal - the prescritions were the same as for other drugs, they took them to their local chemist, they got clean needles with it. At that time there were only 5000 addicts in the whole of the UK - the US which had not prescribed heroin to addicts had 500000 addicts for a population then only about 5 times Britain's. Not 'legalisation' but 'medicalisation' thus. And if you're concerned about the poor addicts maybe just settling in to taking it forever (but without having to rob, prostitute or deal) - well, some will, and some will relax and come off; that's what happened pre-'71. And virtually no-one died of it then.

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The Maltese Falcon,

Malta 22/07/2007 12:30:01

When I read the headline "Scandal of Scots Dope Factories" I thought the article was going to be about Scottish Educational Establishments.

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daywalker,

west edinburgh 22/07/2007 12:34:16

well said carl no,63 more heroin&cocaine-ie.crack in our towns think off the profit there!!!!!!!!!!:(((

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The Maltese Falcon,

Malta 22/07/2007 12:55:50

#67 Take it easy A. Munn, it was a funny!

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hassan i sabbah,

22/07/2007 13:47:26

The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, which examined the issue 18 months ago, will be asked to do so again. It concluded in its report in December 2005 that the strength of cannabis resin (hash) had changed little over 30 years and was about 5 per cent tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). Skunk, it found was 10 to 15 per cent THC - two to three times as strong, not 25 times.

Professor Leslie Iversen, a pharmacologist at Oxford University, said the widespread belief that skunk was 20 to 30 times as powerful was "simply not true".

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rogallo,

Devon 22/07/2007 14:00:54

I didn't realise 'spliffs' were so expensive ?

65

NorT,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 14:50:34

Legalise all drugs and licence them like tobacco and liquor and the government could charge VAT and duty and save millions on enforcement and prison places. They would also be able to guarantee the purity. But none of the politiciansa re man (or women) enough to take such a bold plunge. If people want to kill themselves using drugs (they do it with the legal ones, tobacco and alcohol) why should we stop them?

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lyinking,

Oz 22/07/2007 14:56:59

Have not read all the above posts... My theory is make ALL drugs easy to obtain, Go doon to any super market get what you want.... "here hen gie's a pund o' mary goanna and a forepit o' coke n ice"..and get change o' a fiver.............result...........chaos for a couple o years....... drug barons oot o' a job.... drug related crime a non runner...... all the junkies potted heid (but happy)

67

Home again,

Fraserurgh 22/07/2007 15:08:45

Where is the proof, i.e. research studies, that marijuana is stronger nowadays than it was in earlier decades?
This entire cannabis subject is so full of misinformation... a) it is not a real Drug! b) it doesn't do one's head in and create violent reactions; c) if it were legalized, the government could tax it and they'd make the money, not the sellers and save loads on police work; d) police chasing cannabis growers should be doing more serious work;in the 70's I knew loads of people who worked and smoked cannabis in the workplace, MY workplace. They remained - all of them - capable and calm.
When liquor was prohibited in the U.S.A., fortunes were made running barrels of booze across the Canadian U.S. border, and many other places. And people obviously still bought their booze. It is so-o-o obvious that cannabis will not be stamped out; why not get some proper research done, reported, and get on with legalizing the stuff. Then all who want it may have it; as for driving after having a roach or two it is quite safe; cannabis does not affect the eyesight, the brain or the judgement in the same way that liquor does. I have reached these conclusions after being around some very heavy cannabis smokers for a long time.
Does anybody know where the 7x stronger story came from?

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sumteeik,

22/07/2007 15:10:11

Heartening to read so many enlightened comments. he Scots Electorate ain't fools, and a 'drugs' policy inspired by knee-jerk media madness is beyond the pale.

Sumteeik, MS sufferer (53)

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lyinking,

Oz 22/07/2007 15:12:07

Sorry 74 Tesco's are too far away from here, but will send some Emu export and a big Mac if you want

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de-fi,

Northern England 22/07/2007 15:14:16

I think that Cannabis should be recategorised as Class A. I say this not without experience of the drug, which stems back about 30 years and I can now look back on it and see clearly the mental and physical harm it has wreaked. I count myself lucky not to be in a residential mental institution. Latterly, I stopped taking it, then resumed use as a treatment for Multiple Sclerosis. However, I soon discovered it has lost its effectiveness in treating M.S. I can state quite categorically that it does not work! I now rely on my prescription selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), without which I would probably be crippled by now. I’ve watched people I know crumbling away under this drug (Canabis), but they are not really aware what is happening.

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Car Driver,

22/07/2007 15:34:02

#83 less of the drama queen eh?

ive been smoking it for over 20 years and recognise that it is bad for your health, but to say your thankful your not in a mental institution is going over the score and over exagerrating things

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Rami,

New Hampshire 22/07/2007 16:11:37

I erd dat da Herb is good man, for to build up
de appetite for doz what needs of some extra
weight on der bones.

74

tomfrom66,

Blackpool, UK 22/07/2007 16:42:00

"The government never listened to me when I warned about the damage 24 hour alcohol consumption would do. I see people whose lives have been destroyed by alcohol. Blair & Co should be called to account for what they did."

75

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 18:49:42

I don't see what all the fuss is about. It is a plant when ingested or smoked gives for a rather pleasant evening. I suspect the numbers who indulge in Cannibis are immense yet you very, very, rarely here of cannibis fuelled violence!

This recreational drug is 'illegal' because some prude in an ivory tower says so .... I really hope they start allocating legalities on a commonsense basis rather than kneejerk as seems to be the case in the past.

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knifemaster,

USA 22/07/2007 19:12:05

I was always hartened by the foreward looking European people. I now have great concern with the regressive thinking of the new people in power. Please, stop listening to the stupit Americans and use common sense Re: Legalisation-- Your consumption of alcohol causes your country more harm that mellowing out on a harmless (proven) weed. Wake Up!

77

scotsdoc,

nanaimo bc canada 22/07/2007 19:17:44

'Pot' busts are a dime a dozen here in Western Canada...In fact the police(and some economists) claim our 'BC BUD' exports are worth more than our Forestry Industry. It is grown everywhere, forestry clear cuts, garages, greenhouses, basements and ENTIRE NEWLY BUILT LUXURY HOMES.

The police love these busts..there always seem to be bucketfuls of uncounted cash to be collected along with the potted plants!

On TV the police are often shown filling moving vans with the plants(the evidence!!) very carefully so as not to damage them!! Then later we are shown them being incinerated but curiously(perish the thought that some have disappeared en route) there always seems to be less to burn than was seized!! It must be some sort of optical delusion I reckon.

There is not much evidence of anyone being hurt by using pot but the GROW-OPS are often attacked by armed gangs seeking the Bathtubs and Buckets full of 'unaccountable' cash that these operations produce.

Now if it was not illegal THERE WOULD BE MINIMAL PROBLEMS WITH POT!
.....THE USA'S DEA still believe 'POT' produces REEFER MADNESS in users, which we all know now DOES NOT EXIST!!!

78

knifemaster,

USA 22/07/2007 19:18:46

To; #83--- READ A BOOK

79

big chief toffee teeth,

22/07/2007 19:35:54

grass is much milder than booze... why dont they outlaw booze? to much tax on booze i think, it all comes down to money.

80

Astarte,

Giffnock 22/07/2007 20:02:28

The case for and against recreational drugs has raged for years and the jury is still out. Whether cannibis is dangerous for ones health or for the state of ones health provides us with a measure of caution and since caution is applied to distribution we meet a Catch 22. Let us experiment, for example, if it can be shown that the silly rantings of Aloysius Munn from Space, which appear above, are caused by the ingestion of the weed then we must conclude that cannibis is dangerous. Yet on the other hand should it be shown that AM from S runs off at the mouth without the benefit of "the green stimulation" then doses of weed should be prescribed and thus remove the rest of us from the task of interpreting ungrammatical, misaligned configurations and the abuse of what can be a beautiful language.

81

Snowman,

Whistler, BC 22/07/2007 20:27:51

And for all this time we here in the downhill ski capital of the world have been claiming that Whistler is number one in the growth, production and enjoyment of cannabis. What a let down to learn that our pride of achievment may have been overtaken by Scotland, I guess all of us here will just have to start drinking more.

82

Annlass,

Toronto,ON 22/07/2007 20:53:57

Marijuana and grow-ops are a problem for police forces all over the world it seems. And yet, why are we so concerned? I attend baseball games, hockey and football events and in the crowds either entering or leaving the stadiums there are clouds of the sweet (or sickening) smoke and no one really minds. A drunk on the other hand is both bothersome and obnoxious. Neither I nor my husband and to the best of my knowledge, my friends, smoke cannabis but we are not offended by thse who do. From my station I consider it to be a harmless pastime. The people who set up grow-ops are often careless in the installation, especially in the homes of others, and can cause great property damage and I believe that to be a greater misdemeanor and could be avoided by changing or amending the statutes to licence minimal production.
This will send the criminal element packing and provide a service if not a solution.

83

Pomodora,

Gravesend,Kent 22/07/2007 21:05:02

#84,#85 and#88..Aloysius Munn, Space...What the heck are you talking about? I agree with the post from Astarte #96..you have serious identity problem. Keep cannabis north of the border and keep sending your excellent single malts south. If it has to be smoke then keep it to peat smoke.

84

wisdom,

Edinburgh 22/07/2007 21:25:07

Here is an opportunity for Mr.Salmond to seize the initiative and take decisive action to end this social menace in Scotland.

85

Ailene,

Ben Lomond, California, usa 22/07/2007 21:46:04

Santa Cruz County has put Marijuana on the lowest level of crime priority, passed a Medical use law, and we can grow some plants for personal medical use.
Of course, it's in direct violation of Federal laws, and there's currently a case in the courts whereby the feds arrested a couple who are head of a local Medical Marijuana supply, plants confiscated, etc...
just goes to show, get the government involved, and the whole system becomes chaotic.
Just legalize it, the taxes alone would help balance the budget!!

86

CREDIBILITY,

POT HEAD 22/07/2007 22:31:04

Until 3 months ago, I had smoked weed and hash most days for 20 years, since I was 18.

And yet I've always found cannabis smokers to be extremely defensive and deluded about it. They always say it's not a real drug, it's just like alcohol or tobacco. Well, in my experience of smoking it, and of ALL my friends who smoke it, it's extremely addictive. Why? Because when you have gear in the house, you just have to smoke it. One bored moment and you just roll a spliff. For those who can just have a puff every now and again then that's fine. But I never knew anyone who could do that.

If I was stoned in a public place I felt paranoid, not my own relaxed self. I knew everyone could see my scarlet eyes. I felt a bit unsteady and unsure. I also remember being embarrassed afterwards by the utter tosh I'd talk. My stomach always felt terrible and my weight dropped cos I was too stoned to eat proper healthy food. I made an arse of myself because my short term memory went and couldn't remember what people had just said. Sound familar?

I found it difficult to get up in the mornings for work. I lost my job. My girlfriend tired of being with this dull whacked out shell of a person and left me.

Yea it was fun when I first did it years ago. But then it stopped being fun and became a quick way to have a bit of shallow escapism. I was addicted to it.

Another sign of it being addictive was when a smoking friend of mine told me he could not live with a girl who didn't smoke the weed too. It went from being a fun part in life to the only thing to look forward too.

So smoke it if you like, I just don't want to hear tripe that it doesn't do much harm. The fact it can be a pleasant and relaxing feeling makes it all the more deceptive and addictive.

87

siusaidh,

23/07/2007 00:04:42

*14
Many end up,who start using canabis going onto harder drugs, often within a short space of time....it's a fact.
It clearly seems to be as well a fact, that the laxer laws resulted in heavier usage and even those ,who make profits out of it.

Our so called politician's aren't much of an example for those growing up....what does it say to youngsters today...'it's ok to do it, since they did it'?

88

Zoob Muncher,

from the Outer Zone 23/07/2007 03:23:00

#103 They start on cigarettes not cannabis. I have smoked cannabis for 30+ years and never touched heroin.
I am still playing football, over 4 hours today. I climb mountains, swim, cycle, and eat enough to do so. So to conclude, you can't blame cannabis as a starting point any more than you can blame water or milk as a starting point for alcohol abusers. and finally, depressed people smoke more because they are depressed. This could well be caused by a) lack of proper food b) social circumstances c) drinking too much alcohol d) the break up of a relationship e) a family bereavement f) losing their livelihood etc. and of course any one of these could cause another, so blaming it all on cannabis is absurd, as I found cannabis helped with my depression. How do you explain these facts? "Paranoid" of getting caught and feeling "does anybody notice me like this" is a natural feeling due to its ILLEGALITY. Educate yourself without prejudice and you may find the truth. Cheers

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Zoob Muncher,

from the Outer Zone 23/07/2007 03:28:03

#103 P.S. Also your assertion on lax laws is not true as Amsterdam has a lesser problem, as why else would they continue with their "lax" laws after all these years?

90

GalacticCannibal,

23/07/2007 03:29:33

102. CREDIBILITY, POT HEAD

Please explain the difference between your experience and the experience of millions and millions od alcoholics hooked on the legal drug Alcohol.

Respectfully

Galactic Cannibal

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James I,

Oz 23/07/2007 03:30:25

FYI, it is my understanding that skunk is in fact Genetically Modified (GM) marijuana. An organic solvent is applied to the seeds and this results in a disruption of the chromosomes during the first few mitotic divisions of the germinating seeds. Most of the seeds are genetically unviable - they die, but a minority survive and some of these will be affected by a condition called (from memory) polyploidy.

Polyploid plants, instead of having one set of paired chromosomes, may have multiple copies of some or all of the chromosomes. The resulting polyploid vigour certainly results in increased THC secretion, but the extent of this is highly variable - this type of GM is far from from an exact science. My impression is that claims of 2 - 3 times more secretion would be minimal, while the 15 - 20 times increase claimed would be maximal, but not impossible.

As stated, this is an inexact science and even laboratory results will vary wildly. It should be noted, however, that were skunk weed processed to create skunk hash, this would be an extremely potent product with THC concentrations several times that of any other organically produced product. In thirty oddyears of happy association with the weed I have never come across hash made from skunk, although I am sure it exists. Frankly I find the concept a little scary and will stick to the good old bush buds.

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Zoob Muncher,

from the Outer Zone 23/07/2007 03:39:32

#103 P.P.S. Since it can also seemingly invigorate you, as I have been up since yesterday, I meant Sunday afternoon when I said, "I was playing football for over 4 hours today." Cheers and good night.

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GalacticCannibal,

23/07/2007 04:03:59

Scandal of Scots Whisky factories;

Producing a legal drug Alcohol, that cause death and destruction to individuals who drink it and to entire families.

Makes the use of Cannabis look like a tea party at the Vicrage.

Respectfully

Galactic Cannibal

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bonney,

australia 23/07/2007 04:05:17

you may not realise that with the drug money generated to the crime syndicates none will be spent as foolishly as the scotts who gave it to them but on bussinesses and education for their families so when you see the only persons who are wearing the "kilts" are the chineese and vietnamese it will be too late - wake up you mugs and turncoats and protect your children

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Zoob Muncher,

from the Outer Zone 23/07/2007 04:06:21

#107 your havering a bit here as I have smoked many varieties of skunk and none have been twice as strong never mind 20x as the best proper hash that is not available here now since about 87 / 88 apart from the very odd bit. (in ever decreasing availability)

If the buds are sieved to allow the droplets of dense active ingredients through and to reduce the vegetable matter, this would be a lot higher in the potency as per volume so it would have to be used accordingly as per volume. Simple and if you overdo it you'll simply want to lie down and go to sleep or "space out."

The T.H.C. content does vary in ratio with the Cannabinoids, however not with such a diverse range as to be much other than, at one end of this spectrum you'll be "laid back" (higher CBoids and the other end full of energy and a bit hyper active (higher T.H.C.) Big deal, you soon sus which is which. This is what is called "A different type of "stone." like The Rolling Stones and The Stone Roses

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GalacticCannibal,

23/07/2007 04:08:30

CREDIBILITY, POT HEAD

Have you ever succeeded in putting the toothpaste back into the tube?

That would be more believable than your post,

Respectfully
Galactic cannibal

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Zoob Muncher,

from the Outer Zone 23/07/2007 04:25:01

#112 GalacticCannibal.

There is bound to be spoofers about on this subject by the way, they'll have to be "Munched"

98

GP,

23/07/2007 12:52:05

I find thid headline offensive as the real scnadal is the importation in massive quantitites of hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine. These cannot be being brought in in small packages, the volumes available (if to be believed) suggests that vast quantities are imported by either boat or plane or truck.
This means the SDEA is failing miserably.

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Ex gourock boy,

Shrewsbury PA USA 23/07/2007 15:39:01

Seems to me the entire UK has gone to POT

Most of these gangs running these cannabis factories and importing drugs appear to be of foreign origin. Long suffering asylum seekers no doubt.

100

Jed Zeppelin,

erm...Dundee, Man... 23/07/2007 22:13:28

Spot The Scare Story..... I Win!

I also like the tentative use of the word "spliffs"


 

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