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Tories set out terms to support Salmond



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Published Date: 04 November 2007
ALEX Salmond will only get his first budget through Parliament if he agrees to back Tory plans on housing, drugs and crime, Conservative chiefs have warned.
Ahead of the publication of the SNP Government's spending plans next week, Scots Tory leaders have put together a list of demands and "red lines" which will decide whether or not they pass Alex Salmond's bill.

Conservative backing for the SNP wil
l be crucial in the coming months if, as is possible, both Labour and the Liberal Democrats vote against the plans.

If the Tories were also to vote against Salmond, his budget bill would collapse, potentially leading to a vote of no confidence in the Government.

Scotland on Sunday has been passed a seven-page strategy paper written by Tory finance spokesman Derek Brownlee, which lays out the party's plans.

Brownlee writes: "Although it may be politically tempting to make capital out of the difficulty which the SNP may face in implementing their manifesto, we should not assess the budget on the extent to which it delivers SNP manifesto commitments. Instead, we ought to consider the extent to which the budget makes progress in advancing the strategic objectives underpinning our manifesto."

The Tories will demand Salmond backs their own plan to boost the number of rehab places for drug addicts as an alternative to the controversial methadone programme.

They also want ministers to sink extra cash into NHS dentistry in order to ensure that more children are registered.

In addition, the Tories want the SNP to back their plans to provide more affordable homes, to boost prison places and to increase police numbers.

So-called red lines include any attempt by the SNP to renege on its plan to cut business rates for small firms or to boost police numbers.

With only 47 of the 129 seats in the Parliament, the SNP can only rely on two Green votes at present to back its plans. If the 62 Labour and Lib Dem MSPs all oppose the SNP's budget, the Parliament's 17 Tory MSPs would carry the casting vote.

While Labour is certain to oppose the budget, the Lib Dems are also considering their position at present.

A source close to Nicol Stephen said: "First of all we will be looking to see whether the sums add up. Then we will be looking at whether or not it is going in the right direction more generally."



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1

English Gringo,

surrey 04/11/2007 00:34:50

'set out terms' Come on what next..Land and hereditary title..What distortion is this..

2

Jwil,

Lanarkshire 04/11/2007 00:41:52

#1

I agree! Is there must be a way that the SNP can engineer an election to see exacltly where we stand.
Three years is too long to wait to get rid of the influence of Lab, Lib and Tories.

3

Peter Cherbi,

Edinburgh 04/11/2007 00:50:55

#1 & #2

I agree. The Tories are putting a few more terms on the table than mentioned in the story.

Dropping any prospect of legal & judicial reforms has also been mentioned.

The Tories have done enough ruin to Scotland, they shouldn't have any influence in Government at all.

4

Boy Wonder,

04/11/2007 00:53:20

We've had enough of New Labour, Libdumbs and the Tories. We need to keep them out for years and NOT have to rely on any of them for anything! That's what we voted for!

5

a proud doonhamer,

04/11/2007 00:54:42

I dare the unionists to defeat the government and force an election.

6

urban poacher,

04/11/2007 00:58:09

"Scotland on Sunday has been passed a seven-page strategy paper " Eddie please publish this yours Derek. Never thought see strategy and Tory in same article. Brownlee better watch, thinking tories are not liked by the leadership. It's been take the expenses and sleep since 1997.
Anyway what they are asking for is what SNP is going to do. It's a case of let's see what SNP are going to do and then we say that is what we can support. Hope to get some of SNP popularity. Cameron needs a SNP coalition in 2009 to get into power and ship Brown out. Then he can get rid of Scotland. It started here, Eddie Barnes started independence.

7

Allan (Glasgow),

04/11/2007 01:21:55

The SNP budget will be passed unless that is the Labour party et al are dafter than I thought and try to force a motion of confidence. Turkeys and Christmas anyone?

8

Castaway,

04/11/2007 01:38:49

Is it possible for the SNP Scottish Government if it cannot pass the budget to call a referendum ?

"Do you want the present status quo to continue with the devolved Scotland Parliament being part of the UK" - and the Scottish government should set a condition that 40% of the total electorate would have to vote yes. Those voting no plus those not voting would counted as no votes.

Even if the majority of those who voted yes is reached using the 40% rule then Scotland will still retain the status quo ie a devolved Scottish Government. But if that majority isn't reached then the no's have it which would mean independence.

This 40% condition was used by the Labour lead UK Government for the Scottish referendum on devolution in 1979.

9

Geordie Peebles,

04/11/2007 01:56:46

I find myself in some sort of agreement with AM2 on those rare occasions again.

Naturally it would be expected that the Labour party would vote against but the actions of the Tories are slightly odd whilst those of the LibDems are just bizarre.

Of course the Tories would play a bit of brinkmanship but if they paint themselves into a corner they could end up with a Labour-LibDem Exec again and shut out like they were for 8 years.

The LibDems are just acting extremely oddly if they want to go back to that again as many of their policies can be enacted with the present Government.

Voting aganst a budget to deliver that would just give the SNP a field day pointing that out to the voters who voted for the LiBdems on the basis of those policies.

Have they completely lost the plot or do they not really believe in what they promote?

10

Allan (Glasgow),

04/11/2007 01:57:23

Castaway,

Excellent - a very sensible suggestion!! If it was good enough in 79 it is good enough now.

11

walter,

04/11/2007 02:06:38

#4
We've had enough of New Labour, Libdumbs and the Tories. We need to keep them out for years and NOT have to rely on any of them for anything! That's what we voted for!

When you say that's what we voted for who exactly do you mean by we?.
You cannot mean the 2/3 of the voters who voted for them.

Surely it would be to the benefit of even more Scots for the SNP to agree with the Conservative.
A % of Scots voted Tory and the SNP could keep their manifesto to the % that voted them as well as ensuring that even more Scots get what they voted for.

12

walter,

04/11/2007 02:10:09

#9
This 40% condition was used by the Labour lead UK Government for the Scottish referendum on devolution in 1979.

That was wrong and it has been pointed out many times that it was wrong but you want to use a system you know to be wrong.

13

Senga Jean,

Scotland 04/11/2007 02:11:04

Who is this arrogant airhead Nicol Stevens? He sounds like a Lib/Dem.

14

Senga Jean,

Scotland 04/11/2007 02:13:48

#9 Your frothing at the mouth with your inane nonsense. 50% of those voting is all democracy demands and its goodnight Cunningham!

15

Richardinho,

04/11/2007 02:28:17

'A source close to Nicol Stephen said: "First of all we will be looking to see whether the sums add up.'

You have to laugh at the cheek of this-though knowing the lib-dims they'll probably add up the sums wrong!

16

Guga II,

Rockall 04/11/2007 02:38:45

#7 AM Squared. After a statement like that from you, I think I'm going to need a wee lie down to recover from the shock.

17

Mist001,

Marseille 04/11/2007 05:24:35

What is this?:

Brownlee writes: "Although it may be politically tempting to make capital out of the difficulty which the SNP may face in implementing their manifesto, we should not assess the budget on the extent to which it delivers SNP manifesto commitments. Instead, we ought to consider the extent to which the budget makes progress in advancing the strategic objectives underpinning our manifesto."

I can barely read this, let alone understand it!!

Michael.

18

langtonian,

scotus 04/11/2007 06:34:35

Count Down to SNP -"Cooking the Books"=13 day's.

It should be no surprise to anyone there is mention of a malapropos indication of an SNP/ Tory plan to conjoin in agreeing a pact to foist a package of dream time figures, ( SNP budget ) upon an unsuspecting public .

The recent SNP conference was a give away, observation, on TV of the audience indicated that the majority of participant's were very up market,minimum of at least two vehicle ownership ,certainly bungalow value property owner's, in other word's typical natural Tory orientated voters .Nothing wrong with these values, however on the other hand it was much more difficult to spot any "working class"/pleb's indeed much if any indication of a much vaunted integration of all colours and creeds.

The SNP/Tories can be said to be one and the same thing, any collusion to "blooter" a John Swinney Albatross laden budget through on the 14th of this month would be tantamount to the Tories accepting the proffered poisoned chalice of appeasement.

#7 Not up to standard-must have a a good night out.

19

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 04/11/2007 07:11:08

The old alliance 28 years on. Why am I not surprised?

20

Calgacus,

04/11/2007 07:14:17

"A source close to Nicol Stephen said: "First of all we will be looking to see whether the sums add up. Then we will be looking at whether or not it is going in the right direction more generally.""

Poor Nicol. Without a LibDem leader in London, there's nobody around to tell him what to think.

21

Nikostratos,

04/11/2007 08:21:51

An example of a resentful Englishman And Tory parliamentary candidate..

"Cameron in race row as Tory claims that Enoch was right"

http://nigelhastilow.blogspot.com/2007/08/och-aye-its-tim...

"It takes two to get a divorce. Alex Salmond, the Scots’ “First Minister”, thinks they can walk away from the Union. Good, because maybe we’d be only too glad to see the back of them."


"You would be forgiven for thinking England was a Scottish colony. Our Prime Minister and Chancellor are Scots. We have a Scottish Speaker in the House of Commons. We have far too many MacMafia politicians in positions of power."

"These days, thanks to devolution and the European Union, the long friendship between England and Scotland is coming to an end. It is permissible, in Scotland, to be racist about the English (though it may be illegal to reciprocate)."


"If they want to go off with the European Union instead, let them go. We’re better off without them.
Only don’t forget, the North Sea oil is ours."

22

Mikey,

04/11/2007 08:22:16

A few years ago, I would've shrank back from dealing with the Tories, but in this new new age of consensus politics and the fact that the Tories are trying to distance themselves from Thatcher while at the same time Labour is embracing her, I say deal with them!

We must keep the Thatcherites out of Scotland! We succeeded once and we'll do it again!

23

GW,

Peterhead 04/11/2007 08:40:20

Losing a vote of confidence will not lead to a new election - it may just lead to a Labour /Lib Dem government with Wendy Alexander as First Minister. Since elections are fixed term, the only way to hold an early election is if there is a vote to have new elections - and there is no way the opposition parties would want that!

24

eric,

04/11/2007 08:40:31

Better the devil you know Than the devil you dont(labour)

25

dachaidh,

Rhu 04/11/2007 08:46:28

No 22...
"Only don’t forget, the North Sea oil is ours".

And how do you work that out? Even Denmark, Holland Belgium & Iceland might have an argument about that one.

The oil is Scottish and you know it. England would be the wee struggling country without our oil.

26

Nikostratos,

04/11/2007 08:51:25

#26 put your glasses on

His words not mine

http://nigelhastilow.blogspot.com/2007/08/och-aye-its-tim...

nigel hastilow
I am the Conservative Party's Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for Halesowen and Rowley Regis.

27

Conan the Librarian™,

04/11/2007 09:00:46

AM2

Mouth gaping open...dropped my drink through nerveless fingers...like Guga went for a wee lie down...came back and STILL...there it was... AM2 agreeing with the SNP.

:-)

28

I'm no really here,

04/11/2007 09:05:20

Agreeing up-front is a disaster. Minority consensus politics, and if the opposition vote against it - let the people know loud and clear.

#24 Been saying that for a long-time, particularly in answer to why the SNP didn't scrap the trams. The only positive thing in this is, IF there was a vote of "no confidence" and Lab/Lib took over, there would be massive aftershocks, and I don't believe either Labour and Lib/Dem would survive in Scotland. They would be seen a handful of people staging a coup. Certainly would lead to protests and inevitably street violence from these.

Lab/LD's should look very long and hard to see if they would ever want to oust the SNP with anything other than the ballot box.

29

Gnasher,

04/11/2007 09:06:26

What's the problem? The Labour administration, if one had been formed as a result of having one more rather than one less seat than the SNP, would have faced exactly the same difficulties.

Political parties not in coalition have no responsibility to support a minority administration, and the SNP loonies trying to plot some kind of coup on these pages aren't helping by pouring their usual abuse on every not in their gang. GW#24 seems to get it.

The SNP rank and file, outside the central belt at least, are a species of Tory anyway, right Walter #12. langtonian #19?

30

watcher4,

East Lothian 04/11/2007 09:08:24

Stands to reason that the Tories will side with their own. It won`t make any difference how people feel about the toilet paper manifesto of the Nats.

31

A Better Way,

04/11/2007 09:11:25

Langtonian that is certainly a gift you have there, being able to tell a persons financial position based on looks. Was it the leg missing or that they had a single eye in the middle of their forehead.

DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND PISHY OFFY YA HALFWIT.

Unless you dimwit unionists forgot Alex Salmond announced a month ago that there would be no coalitions. For all you Numpties above, do you really not get it. The Unionist Parties do not want or need an election at this time. Read your You Gov Polls to reach your own conclusions on why it would be of no great loss to call their bluff. They have no money, they dont have the support of the Herald or a few Northern Locals, and Rupert the halfwit Murdoch is now Pro SNP because it takes his colonial fancy.

The Unionist Parties will fall into line only because they know that many of their MSP's will be gone if an election is called. Its time you losers woke up to realise the Scottish People wont put up with London Controlled Parties messing about in Scottish Politics. Wendy would almost certainly lose her seat especially now the people of Linwood know how little she has done for them. The rest of them are hanging on to very slim majorities as a result of the MASSIVE SWING to the SNP and the SNP active membership is stronger now than at any time in the past.

GO for it is what we in the persuit of Independance want now.

The word, Wimps seems to come to mind when thinking of the Unionists.

32

A Better Way,

04/11/2007 09:26:21

Please refer to the London New Labour Docuements mentioned in other real Newspapers to see that the Numpties acknowledge that the SNP is perceived as the Voice of the Average Scot. You Numpties have Maggie Broon as your leader who keeps adopting Tory Party Ideas. Tony Blair, Gordon Broon, Milliband and Cameron all group quite nicely into the classification of right wing nutters, and you lot Voted for them and still to this day you support them on this forum. You horrible little Fascist New Labour Supporters cant exactly cast that mantle on the Scottish Peoples Party and Leader Alex the Great.

By the way I now realise why Eddie Barnes rants such rubbish. He is an Englishman who chose to live in Scotland probably because he is yet another financial refugee who couldnt cut it down south. Perhaps Eddie will choose to become part of the Scottish Community rather than an unhappy little Englander.

33

frank mcbride,

lusitania 04/11/2007 09:37:52

14 NOV. 2007

The SNP Government propose a Budget aimed at fulfilling its Manifesto pledges, saying that further steps would be taken in subsequent Bugets.

The Unionist Parties vote this Budget down, as the SNP has refused to implement specific NuLab, LibDem or Tory pledges.

What will be the result of this political folly?

AM2, well said, sir!

34

Faustus,

04/11/2007 10:16:25

For years the Tories attacked the Lib Dems for trying to work with Labour on areas of common interest, and now here they are selling themselves to the Nats. You couldn't make them up.

35

langtonian,

scotus 04/11/2007 10:18:00

#32 A Better Away.

Your posting indicates why the SNP will never attract an increase in voters to enable them to further their inward looking political aims

The SNP did not win the last election on the popularity of their manifesto, they won their one seat majority ,

(1)Labour were guilty of strolling and assuming the whole thing was cut and dried--that will not happen next time.

(2) Alex Salmond is a charismatic leader, wrong headed in my view relative to his Manifesto, nevertheless he is in charge very competent performer of a one man band, he is a maestro on the flute/mouthy, has an excellent tequnique on the cymbals his real forte,born of an innate natural talent is of course the BIG DRUM.Without him, as they say" there would be no SNP show without Punch. "He will eventually Finnish up in the House of Lords,hopefully sooner rather than later.

(3)Checked out my 3hour video (want a copy?) of SNP conference , find my original posting to be a OK!

36

Upbeat,

04/11/2007 10:23:05

It is essential that no other party at Holyrood does anything to interfere with the SNP budget.

Only if the SNP is seen to be running the budget will all the responsibility be in one place. Only then will the Scottish electorate be in a position to assess the SNP in its political entirety.

Challenging the SNP budget will simply play into the hands of A;ex Salmond and his clique, for it will provide an excuse for them to blame all the other Political parties for all the SNP failings.

It would be foolish in the extreme to give him that excuse.
Hoist the SNP on this budget , and Hang them out to dry !

37

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 04/11/2007 10:25:13

In any dealings with the indigenous Tory Party, I have no doubt Alex Salmond will well remember Lyndon Baines Johnson's famous quote about alliances and compromises with some very dubious Southern politicians?

"The're sons of bitches, but the're our sons of bitches"!

38

megz,

Glasgow 04/11/2007 10:35:00

Personally i think the tories should get a little credit, at least they are making an effort to get their manifesto commitments brought to the table and not just arguing for arguments sake.

The liberals?lol baffle me, they have alot of ideas in common with the SNP and would be likely to fulfil some manifesto commitments themselves but they seem to be waffling waiting to be told what to do by labour.

As for labour, well what can you say? All they want is the status quo so why do people vote for them at all. Don't they have any ambition? These voters should just turn to the socialist party as they would share more of their political ideas rather than the thatcherite nulabour. So labour voters come home to the SSP and socialism!

39

Cadgers,

Perth 04/11/2007 10:37:56

#7 AM2 You are a brave man!

40

Gordon,

Edinburgh 04/11/2007 10:57:10

This budget is not so much about SNP policies - any of which can be called in, and rejected by the majority if they are so inclined - but about the acceptance of the other parties that our system of government is really democratic. Accepting the general terms of the SNP budget is a sign that there is still a spark of democracy left. (there will always be room for some nit-picking, just not outright rejection)

41

Jeeemy,

Sunny Scotland 04/11/2007 11:10:20

Hang on friends, there can be a motion of confidance but under the scotland act that does not mean an election. The motly crew in Hollyrood are there for 4 years take it or leave it.
Now should the Toties, and the Lib Lab pact gang up on the Government, it will be the Greens who hold the balance, that is providing that all the MSP's are in attendance, I do not believe that the "oposition" can win in any case they might try and make life difficult but that is all.
I wonder if this will be moderated?

42

The true Seeker of the Truth,

at home, reading AM2's posts with disbelief... 04/11/2007 11:21:26

What's the beef with what the tories are proposing? I see nothing that would cause grief; willing to be put right though.

AS should agree and suck the tories in; hold your friends close, and your (political) enemies closer still...

43

Boy Wonder,

04/11/2007 11:52:09

I think Tina Turner would have a hit with this little ditty based on We Don't Need Another Hero! :))

Out of the ruins
Out from the wreckage
Making the same mistake again
They are the children
The last generation
They are the ones we'll leave behind
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under their rule till nothing else remains

No ... we don't need another Tory
We don't need to know the things they want
All we want is life with Independence

Looking for someone we can rely on
There's got to be someone better out there
Equal with compassion, our day is coming
Not Libdem castles built in the air
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under ther rule till nothing else remains
All the children say

We don't need any more Tories
We don't need to know what they think
All we want is life with Independence

What do we do with our lives
We leave our mark
And our story will shine like a life
No more Lib-Lab or Tories
We'll give it all or nothing

We don't need any more Tories
We don't need to know what they think
All we want is life with Independence

44

cataibh,

Ach yur seen it 04/11/2007 12:11:03

I have just saw post #7 I must be dreaming so I'm away back to bed.

45

An English Voice:,

04/11/2007 12:21:38

38 & 40. Comments from an Edinburgh taxi driver to a colleague of mine on a recent visit: "All the others need to do is keep giving Salmond all the rope he needs to hang himself."

46

Queen D,

Glasgow 04/11/2007 12:22:10

Langtonion,the labour party were strolling??
They were doing no such thing,they were preaching disease,pestilence and poverty should Scotland have the temerity to vote for the SNP!
The SNP won the election despite the fear mongerers and despite the Scottish media.
Had there been a level playing field I supect they would have gained many more seats.
Under the circumstances their perfomance was extraordinary.
As for N.Stephens,
Does anyone really care what the headless chicken party says?

47

Kobi,

04/11/2007 12:41:00

Too many nat obsessives on here e.g #1, #2, 3#, #4 have just not grasped that in May the Scottish people did not elect a majority SNP administration, but a minority SNP administration that needs to work with other parties to get their policies implemented. There needs to be give and take. That is the nature of the Parliament.

So far, apart from the Greens, it is the Tories who seem most willing to do business on the basis of policies that both aprties wish to promote. As some on here have posted, they seem to be SNP policies as well, but it then becomes a question of priorities within a 4 year timescale.

The arrogant attitude of the vainglorious nats who think "The Tories have done enough ruin to Scotland, they shouldn't have any influence in Government at all" and "Tell em to f#ck o#f" is the Westminster political mindset writ large .i.e. we won so we can do what we want, and is the one that is going to stop independence happening.

48

An Engl¡sh Voice:,

04/11/2007 12:47:01

37. Langtonian

great post.

49

John MacDonald,

Inverness 04/11/2007 12:47:34

Derek Brownlee last sentence sums him and many other politicians up: he says - "Instead, we ought to consider the extent to which the budget makes progress in advancing the strategic objectives underpinning our manifesto."

If his sentence had ended:- (in advancing the needs of the people of SCOTLAND) it might suggest that he had some understanding of the real purpose of a Budget Bill and what he should be looking for in it.

Not much hope for a politician that speaks without thought - less hope for one that doesn't seem to know what he should be doing !

50

An Engl¡sh Voice:,

04/11/2007 13:12:46

7.

AM2 - I must disagree with you here. The SNP are a minority, only 16% of the population voted for them, they should have to respect the wishes of the 84% who did not as well.

50. Kobi - well said, great post, you have hit the nail on the head.

51

Generalissimo Hernandez,

04/11/2007 13:29:41

Not sure why we have to respect the wishes of anyone who hasn't voted.

If you're too stupid or lazy to make the effort, chances are you're too stupid to have an informed opinion.

52

Walter Ego,

Durness 04/11/2007 13:44:51

What about the Council Tax freeze?

53

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 04/11/2007 13:51:47

The last time they collaborated on something we got the farcical CIS Cup draw. The time before that we got Margaret Thatcher. Some record.

54

An Engl¡sh Voice:,

04/11/2007 14:42:24

57. W U

spot on. Great post - they couldn't even organise the football draw. And as for the SNP sell-out in 1979, they are still showing they will grab for support no matter how unsavoury to further their "cause"

55

Baillie Guthrie,

04/11/2007 15:36:26

So the courtship begins.

Who will be the successful suitor. It won't be Labour, even if they promise free irn-bru from the taps, they are a spent force.

The wily Tories are coming up on the rails and the Lib-dems are still struggling to get their jodhpurs on, but they are the dark horse.

Am I mixing my metaphors? Let me put it another way.

Alex Salmond is playing chess, the Tories are playing drafts and poor old young fogey Nicol is still trying to open the tiddly winks box he got from his Auntie Jessie last Christmas.

56

Ferryhill loon,

Aberdeen 04/11/2007 15:45:34

I`d be quite happy to see them vote it down,no problem,lets see what happens at the next election.

I`ve waited 46 years,another 4 would make no difference although i`m quite astounded to see the Tories with a sort of socialist agenda :-}

57

Mr Bob Dobolina,

Hell Hath Frozen over 04/11/2007 16:25:25

I thought I was in hallucinations! AM2 Agrees with the SNP!

To the point of GIVING THEM A FAIR CHANCE!

I canny comment anymore I need a wee lie doon..........

58

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04/11/2007 16:48:46
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59

Mr Bob Dobolina,

AM2 running to the moderator again........ 04/11/2007 16:50:17

I am sure your paper can make up the Shortfall in scottish customers from the London area where it appears it wants to geographically appeal too.

Sorry i mentioned London, Scotland and geography. I AM A RIGHT RASCIST!

60

Mr Bob Dobolina,

AM2 running to the moderator again........ 04/11/2007 16:51:30

Just incase you try to bury your shame:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=175145200...

read it and weep folks. See how AM2 works!

61

Mr Bob Dobolina,

AM2 running to the moderator again........ 04/11/2007 16:54:42

So when New labour talk about party laoyalists, are they being rascist?

You had nials well written piece at #302 removed because you took a hissy fit for someone using the dictionery?

SMAHEME ON AM2 http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=175145200...

62

Mr Bob Dobolina,

AM2 running to the moderator again........ 04/11/2007 16:54:57
63

Sanny,

Portugal 04/11/2007 17:39:43

66. Mr Bob Dobolina'
What was the substance of Nialls comment? Niall is usually well informed and constructs powerful arguments. I can understand the Wrath of AM2 but I doubt even with all his Unionist backing if he can muster a decent argument against Niall Aslen.
Everyone who wants to comment on the financial situation of Scotland should read The Great Deception. an excellent deconstruction of the infamous GERS by Niall.

The Great Deception can be found at: -
http://www
.scottishenterpriseparty.
org/the-great-deception.htm

64

Ronnie101,

London 04/11/2007 18:16:11

Don't you silly, silly, SILLY Scot-Nats realise that any change in the status of the UK as a nation will be a green light for the EU to declare the oilfields as a shared EU resource, like the fish in the North Sea?

65

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 04/11/2007 18:40:33

61

Baillie, what was Salmond playing (or drinking) when he made a balls of the CIS Cup draw? That farce exemplified Salmond's Scotland - and he tried to make a joke of it. Scotland deserves better.

66

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 04/11/2007 18:45:29

An SNP/Tory alliance? History repeats itself.

67

Ayrshire Scot™,

04/11/2007 18:57:00

75 Not as much as you do.

Can you bore the balls off someone at 70 or 100 yards?

68

NorT,

Edinburgh 04/11/2007 19:47:15

The Tories are not in power - the SNP are and it is up to them to get on with it. The Tories are trying to blackimail them. If the budget does not get through then the sNP can quite rightly blame all the other parties for their failure to vote through what the people of Scotland want.

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Ayrshire Scot™,

04/11/2007 19:49:47

77 Awright there Wini? Thought you weren't "allowed" to correspond with me :-)

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Jwil,

Lanarkshire 04/11/2007 19:55:24

Baillie, what was Salmond playing (or drinking) when he made a balls of the CIS Cup draw? That farce exemplified Salmond's Scotland - and he tried to make a joke of it. Scotland deserves better.

You must be a right nungy! (I hope the spellings corrrect). It was the other Alex that balls it up!.

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The Maltese Falcon`,

Malta 04/11/2007 20:04:45

Correct jwil..

#81 Janis, are you avoiding me, what have i done ?

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The Maltese Falcon`,

Malta 04/11/2007 20:05:23

#50
#78

Stupid posts with every mud

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Jan¡s,

London 04/11/2007 20:08:26

84. "Maltese Falcon"

the real Falcon is posting again under a new (and old) name you will never guess.

I thought Wini and Kobi made good points, well put, unlike you and yours do.

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Mr Bob Dobolina,

AM2 should report this article!!!! 04/11/2007 20:10:03

#69 Niall was merely holding a morror up to the erronious figures Am2 was still trying to peddle and because Niall said and I quote IN CONTEXT That party loyalists acting like sheep and refusing to aknowledge the results of the herald debate on wealth.

AM2 reported him for being rascist because he used the term loyalist.

What a petty wee bairn!

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Mr Bob Dobolina,

AM2 is eddie Barnes in a grason perry moment! 04/11/2007 20:18:19

I reckon Am2 is Eddie barns at his PC in a gingham frock

Any views?

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The Maltese Falcon`,

Malta 04/11/2007 20:20:23

Janis, i yearn for you, you took me in when my gay male partner left me and bunched me.

owaal owaal i yearn for you.

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The Maltese Falcon`,

Malta 04/11/2007 20:21:41

87
I a Matatelan frock, just like the one i am waring.

By the way, I'm a man.

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Jan¡s,

London 04/11/2007 20:22:43

89 A Man? Oh my little fluffy Maltese duck... you are so funny

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The Maltese Falcon`,

Malta 04/11/2007 20:26:33

!!!Gulp!!!.You new about that ?

Sorry Janis pet, i will wash them and return them to you ASAP.

OH, how i yearn for you janis, at night i squeel like a stuffed pig shouting out your name...ech ech grunt grunt

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Mr Bob Dobolina,

Maltese and Janis 04/11/2007 20:38:36

Feck off! stop trying to obfuscate the debate with cr@p, Use the forum for your mutual resentments which to be honest I dont think exist.
I think this is just to obfuscate the debate so nobody can be arsed.

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Jan¡s,

London 04/11/2007 20:52:18

99 You go, girl!

I have nothing to do with that Duck either, except for being him. Whats that? Oh yes, quite right Duck. Leave my Duck alone.

Right, lets leave Mr Bob to his discussions. Duckie - call me if anyone is mean to you, I will come on and vack you up.

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Conan the Librarian™,

04/11/2007 21:06:02

Debate.

Anyone?

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Mr Bob Dobolina,

ethenpee and fweedom 04/11/2007 21:07:42

Maltese and Janice. Your London labour affiliations are fine but your spoiling democratic debate. obviously your reason. Turn as many people of to the politics forum as possible, lest we know whats going on.

I notice you only have "arguments" in the political forums , yet never speak politics.

Great diversionary tactics. Your masters will be proud.

I rather suspect it is 1 person betwix 2 pcs!

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Ayrshire Scot™,

04/11/2007 21:19:27

102 Lead on MacDuff

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Mr Bob Dobolina,

ethenpee and fweedom 04/11/2007 21:21:26

I think parliament should goto an election so as we can end this nonsense now and return a SNP majority now we know labour and the tories have been lying.

I wonder where the parties would stand then?

The poison pill effect to create a stronger and more united parly after!

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Kobi,

04/11/2007 21:23:04

"#79

If the budget does not get through then the sNP can quite rightly blame all the other parties for their failure to vote through what the people of Scotland want."

This is exactly what I mean by nat arrogance. The SNP ended up the largest party in the parliament. The people of Scotland voted more against them (those that bothered) than for them. To blithethly procclaim that what the SNP offer is what the people of Scotland want is just sheer nonsensical stupidity. If the SNP can get consensus for various policies and their budget, good, but it needs to be a question of coalition building on each issue to reach a consensus.

The Parliament is for coalition politics. Certain SNP ministers are willing to do so, but obviously certain neanderthal nats on here do not understand what that means. They are still stuck in the anti-Scottish Westminster mindset of winner takes all.

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Ayrshire Scot™,

04/11/2007 21:24:48

105 Spook

quite right - the Maltese duck is no doubt behind Mrs Spook, Janis and other ludicrous unionist fabulations. He is a sick parrot and needs help.

106 - Bob, I agree. But I think the unionist parties will back down over the budget precisely because they do not want another election now. I think the SNP will make some concessions and get the budget through.

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Mr Bob Dobolina,

ethenpee and fweedom 04/11/2007 21:25:12

#105 - it's a blatant attempt to fill the debate with p1sh and turn people off.

Not once have I seen either add anything.

Their/He is or she is a bit like spam in your inbox.

E.g. make it hard for people to follow, turn people of, make the debate look like it is controlled by bairns (usualy is given Am2 and his reporting of salient points as rascist)

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Ayrshire Scot™,

04/11/2007 21:26:40

107 Kobi

what are you saying? If the other parties block the SNP government's budget they will be responsible for the consequences. They won't I think, because they will get an even bigger drubbing if there is another election now

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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 04/11/2007 21:27:08

107

Kobi, spot on. There is less support for independence now than there was 7 years ago. The SNP are doing a marvellous job. Thank you Alex Salmond.

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Ayrshire Scot™,

04/11/2007 21:27:54

109 Bob

Yes, down with the Maltese Troll, Mrs Spook, Janis and all manner of unionist trolls

what happened to the posts on the economics thread btw - looked in briefly it was all gone?

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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 04/11/2007 21:28:48

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Ayrshire, can you explain why support for independence has dropped? I think that it is because Alex and his troops are doing such a great job, don't you?

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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 04/11/2007 21:29:20

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Ayrshire, why did Alex leave the RB of S?