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Cameron urged not to say sorry for Nazi gaffe



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Published Date: 24 February 2008
By Mike Hornby
CONSERVATIVE party front-bencher William Hague has urged leader David Cameron not to apologise over an Auschwitz gaffe.
Cameron yesterday claimed the Government's promise of school trips to the Nazi death camp in Poland had been a "gimmick".

The suggestion was made in a press release in which Cameron criticised the funding arrangements for 26 Government initiatives
. It drew a furious response from ministers and caused a rift with the Holocaust Educational Trust (HET), which organises the trips.

The Tory leader was heavily criticised by HET chairman Lord Janner, a Labour peer, who urged him to retract the accusation. However, speaking at the Tories' North West conference in Bolton, Hague said he did not think Cameron or the party should say sorry.

He said: "I think people understand what the party and what David Cameron was saying. Obviously, he wasn't saying there should not be such trips, we support that. The point is Gordon Brown tends to make these announcements, but… he is not delivering them.

"Our schools have to find money to pay for this scheme, that is the point we are making. People should be mature enough to recognise that."

Schools will be required to put £100 towards the cost of each youngster's trip to the death camp – a top-up which the Tories promised to scrap.





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  • Last Updated: 23 February 2008 6:55 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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1

Sammy25,

24/02/2008 00:10:17
This is just a lot of nonsense. People trying to stir things up. I wish equal prominence was given to REAL news! He has nothing to apologize for.
2

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24/02/2008 00:40:11
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3

Conan the Librarian™,

24/02/2008 01:07:15
2
Ok I'll bite.

Indeed the Jews were not the only people to suffer in history.Most have.

But Jews were the main people in history to suffer from the industrialisation of genocide.
4

,

24/02/2008 01:19:12
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/02/2008 01:39:57
4
They have.They have nukes now.
6

Joseph Gibson,

Stevenston 24/02/2008 02:26:15
After WW2 Isreal has been innocently killing people. Thnxs to ourselfs and the US, they have powerful support and allies. Anyone really know the history? Jews that were kicked out of Germany and territories under there control had no where to go, and that includes Isreal that denied many fleeing jews somewhere to go.
Another fact, Isreal is a nazi nation. They think for themselves, they defend themselves, and they care for no one else but themselves... just look at the news. They don't care about those innocent people they kill. Thats Nazisim people! The real truth about Nazisim; You, Your people, Your country, Your way of life before anyother! Similiar to imperialism.

Number 3.
They may have suffered throughout history, and many of those events in history they brought upon themselves. However, they aint the only people who have suffered massive loss, and cruelty. We Scots, are one people that have suffered just as bad as the jews. Other than that, what about all our soldiers? don't forget them. don't forget all those women and children of our nations that suffered.
7

Willie Macleod,

Wick 24/02/2008 03:57:51
#6 The Scots have not suffered the same as the Jews Yes the Clearences were inhumane and brutal,but to say that the Death Factories and the Industrial killing as #3 points out are on a scale and inhumanity never seen before and since You can not make such comparisons
8

Alec M,

Falkirk 24/02/2008 03:59:19
Anyone who doubts the extent of the suffering meted out by the Nazis to the Jews can do no better than watch "The World at War", UKTV History, Freeview Channel 12, Monday to Friday at 5pm.
9

Angus Macoatup,

24/02/2008 04:06:46
So Wee Willie Hague is right behind Cameron......Davie yer tea,s oot
10

james 1st,

hamilton 24/02/2008 08:44:01
i cant see why the united kingdom should be so fixated on the holocaust. in the formation of israel jewish terrorists murdered british troops. let israel remember the holcaust , they do,and they are good at it, it really has got nothing to do with the united kingdom, it is a part of history and that is where it should be placed, alongside the clearances, the irish potato famine, stalins purges, and other such tradgedies
11

Pocket Dictionary,

24/02/2008 10:02:07
And no one batted an eye lid when Talk 107 presenter Scottie McClue, came up with a suggestion that would see all elderly, retired, British Jews shipped off to Poland and Polish workers brought over here.

Shame he couldn't see a parallel to the Holocaust before coming up with that one.
12

Fifi la Bonbon,

24/02/2008 10:33:00
How interesting! Until the comments here put William Hague and David Cameron's remark into context, I hadn't appreciated just how racist and antisemitic thay actually are. This image of promoting social justice truly is a sham.

The reason why the school visits to Auschwitz need to continue, and why they aren't a gimmick, is that the atrocities and genocide actually happened and while young people at achool will not, thank God, experience them at first hand, by seeing the site and undertaking the tour, a significant number of young people will have a chilling insight.

This is necessary, I now realise, to counter the notion of the "whingeing Jew" that some people, as above, are busy promulgating. The Tories seem to have adopted this approach as well, to their shame.
13

Tim C,

Southern England 24/02/2008 13:20:33
Good for Dave. He has to be careful about what he says. But Broon and his gang made a promise for an EU referendum. Where did that go?
Much of what Labour say & do is untrue: "no rendition/kidnapping flights landed on UK territory... whoops, very sorry" . So the Auschwitz-Birkenau (Oswiecim) trip is just another media initiative, brought to you by the producers of "Iraqi Misery" and "Afghan Poppy Progress".
If school children want to find out about genocide, may I suggest that they study contemporary situations in Darfur, Tibet, Chechnya, former Yugoslavia, Zimbabwe. When the Germans surrendered, the killing didn't stop.
14

ex-labour,

24/02/2008 17:58:43
3 Conan the Librarian™, "But Jews were the main people in history to suffer from the industrialisation of genocide."

Pardon me, but the jews have an entire marketing strategy to keep this issue alive in the rest of the world while they carry out their own form of genocide in Palestine.
15

Alec M,

Falkirk 24/02/2008 19:57:46
#14 'ex labour' - I stand by what I wrote in comment 8, which referred to the comments expressed in #2 and #4, since (and thankfully) removed.

However, I also agree with your comments. It is, I think, generally accepted, that the abused - if allowed to - become abusers. Israel was founded on terrorism and secured the support of the (frequently almost fascist) USA which allowed it to get away with non-observance of UN Security Council resolutions.

The USA, whose mission, apparently,is to spread "democracy - US-style" throughout the universe, refused to deal with Hamas, despite its election to government in Gaza being recognised as fair and properly conducted.
16

Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/02/2008 20:20:02
Alec #15
it is generally accepted by whom exactly?
Holocaust deniers and the anti-semitic wing of ultra-leftism I would suggest.
The nauseating posts on here explain precisely why it is crucial that kids continue to visit the concentration camps, we should never forget the full-blown anti-semistism of nazism started with the kind of sly references made by some posters on this thread.
17

Joseph Gibson,

Stevenston 25/02/2008 00:26:21
7. "The Scots have not suffered the same as the Jews"

As much as that comment... I stated, that the Jews are not the only bloody people that have suffered in life. And for you! possibly British to say such a thing is a disgrace! Scottish children and women were burned alive, and many more brutal events in history and the scottish weren't the only ones, so was the english and irish and welsh! Auschwitz, we all know about the holocaust, we don't have to visit those death camps! like the german people are made too! its a shame how german people view their history and I admire many of them that begin to accept it. Like we all should! freedom of speech, well... people who comment on any Nazi views are viewed as a racist, or criminal or god knows what!

We don't need these planned visits to Auschwitz! We should have our children and everyone visiting our Memorials around the world of british soldiers that given their lives to give us of today a future and those who fought with honor and dignity from all walks of live in WW2 Should be respected, honored and remembered! Those are what we should have our children visiting!
18

Samantha M.,

Dundee 28/02/2008 20:53:33
I don't think trips to Auschwitz for six formers are a gimmick at all. I think they are far more sinister than that. I think they are meant to indocterinate the upcoming political class to be sympathetic to zionism, the biggest "rogue" state in the world today, which has more UN resolutions passed against it than every other nation combined. If six formers will visit Auschwitz, they should visit Gaza concentration camp too as that would have a far greater impact as far as experiencing the realities of ethnic cleansing and war crimes.

http://fromgaza.blogspot.com/
19

Cyril,

N.Z 05/05/2008 05:56:37
As a British soldier from WW2 who went to Palestine it was well known that the Irgun terrorist group contacted Nazi Germany for help during WW2.

 

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