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Families of Scots troops reveal hell of barrack life



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Published Date:
09 December 2007
A SHOCKING account of the "disastrous" living conditions endured by families of Scottish soldiers has emerged in an MoD document obtained by this newspaper.
Wives and girlfriends of troops from the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders complained to military officials that they felt isolated, were treated like "scum", and repeated requests for help were ignored.

The litany of criticism also included part
ners being deployed for too long, their pay being regularly "messed up", and a cut in financial assistance for travelling back to Scotland from their barracks in Kent.

Morale in the Argylls is already at rock bottom after 17 members of the unit tested positive for banned drugs, and now face dismissal, while on a post-exercise break in Belize. Early next year, the unit will be sent to Afghanistan's war-torn Helmand province.

Nationally, there is mounting concern - much of it openly expressed by senior commanders - about the welfare of the armed forces and their dependants as a result of overseas commitments and spending cutbacks.

Last week, Defence Secretary Des Browne apologised to the families of the 14 troops who died when an RAF Nimrod crashed in Afghanistan. An official inquiry identified a catalogue of failings, including ageing aircraft components and a lack of modern fire suppressants. One relative accused the military of "incompetence" and "negligence" and said the dead were "betrayed".

The latest criticism emerged from families interviewed by MoD staff at the Argylls' barracks in Canterbury during the summer. They were prepared as part of a briefing for General Sir Richard Dannatt, the Chief of the General Staff.

Even though Howe barracks are supposed to represent "better" accommodation, comments included:

• "We are not respected or welcomed by the locals here at all. We have been made to feel like scum and have been treated unfairly all because we are in the Army."

• "We want to go back to Scotland!"

• "My husband's pay gets messed up every single month yet still nothing gets sorted out."

• "MHS [Modern Housing Solutions - meant to maintain living quarters] - what a disaster. What has been done to sort this problem out? If anything?"

• "Why do we not get the same amount of [free travel] warrants that we got in Northern Ireland? We are further away from Scotland now and we get fewer. Why?"

• "Deployments are too long. It seems our husbands are away for nine or 10 months not six. Can something be done about this?"

Some accused the army of "spinning" to the media, others said they were worried about the state of equipment their partners were using at the front.

Last night, forces groups and politicians said the findings from Canterbury proved urgent action was needed to help troops and their dependants.

Liam Fox, the shadow defence secretary, said: "This is very worrying but sadly all too typical of the complaints from forces families.

"It shows that equipment is a welfare issue for families because they are concerned whether their loved ones will be safe when they go into battle. Deployments are too long and too frequent and there is too little time between them. That creates pressure on families and leads to experienced members leaving."

He added: "This is both a Scottish and a defence matter and maybe [Defence Secretary and Scottish Secretary] Des Browne should have a chat with himself at Cabinet."

Doug Young, the chairman of the British Armed Forces Federation, said: "Howe Barracks Canterbury is supposed to be one of the better barracks in the UK, so it is worrying that so many of the wives had concerns about their married quarters and family facilities. It is good that these comments are in an official report.Will anything ever get done?"

Jeff Duncan of Re-instate Our Army Regiments, which campaigned against the mergers that combined the historic Scottish regiments into one, said: "It makes for depressing reading. Government ministers provide little or no real support, instead engaging in their own devious public relations spin. It is clear that morale and soldier welfare of our troops are at an all-time low. Gordon Brown must shoulder a sizeable proportion of the blame for starving the Army of proper resources to carry out what he and former PM Blair sent them into - Iraq and Afghanistan."

A spokeswoman for the Army said: "We are working to address many of the concerns raised and that is why we have these meetings. Their point about problems in the way that troops are treated by locals is true and we have been working hard to address that. We are working very hard on the housing issue.

"As regards the length of deployments, it is a challenge when our forces are engaged in both Iraq and Afghanistan."

Fight for rights


Soldiers' families have become increasingly critical of the treatment they have received from the MoD in recent months.

The Association of British ex-Service Personnel (Abex) is one group which has been campaigning steadfastly on their behalf.

Among the changes they have been calling for recently is improved mental health provision for soldiers affected by their time in combat zones.

Many families claim they are left to cope alone if a loved one suffers a breakdown while on active service.

Poor living conditions have been a regular complaint for many in the armed services and Abex believes rapid and widespread improvements in living conditions need to be introduced to boost morale.

The group is backing moves by families to have troops sent back to local bases if they are not involved in a conflict which directly impacts on British interests.

Families also believe that dedicated military hospitals should be reintroduced to help treat those injured or disabled while on duty.

Abex is also supporting a programme to retraining for soldiers leaving the army to help them adjust to civilian life.



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  • Last Updated: 08 December 2007 10:13 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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www.r-o-a-r.org,

Anne McMillan - Perthshire 09/12/2007 01:23:05

So many examples of how Scottish soldiers and their families get treated appallingly by this Labour government.

Gordon Brown has little or no time for the armed forces unless an election is looming or he feels he has to defend himself from criticism from Army chiefs and Lords.

Labour have made a complete mess of the Army and it is not helped by appointing similar spin masters to head up the army in Scotland.

Why are the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders effectively banished to England until 2023? Their home is in Scotland - Stirling!

What does Canterbury have to offer Jocks - not much it seems apart from disdain from the locals!

Scottish bases for Scottish troops - and restore the pride to the Argylls and the other Scottish soldiers by restoring their Regiments!

2

W Smith,

Middle East 09/12/2007 03:38:42

1) Gordon Brown has personally pleaded with the US for the release of four so-called 'British' terrorists from Guatanomo Bay.

He's adding to the lie that these AK-47 yeilding thugs were just visiting relatives in Afghanistan and that its all been one big 'misunderstanding'.

2) Gordon Brown has spent £307.5 billion on quangos in two years - thats £167.5 billion last year plus £140 billion in the previous year.

Apparently there is not enough tax revenue around to give the British Armed Forces proper equipment.

Hmm..why would that be then, eh?

3) The way Brown has treated the Scottish soldiers is disgraceful - if he's not going to give our lads full backing then he should get them out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately.

4) Salmond, the patriot, is unlikely to comment on this in case he upsets Osama Saeed or the anti-war English communist and unionist Lyndsey German (Stop the War Coalition).

He's got plenty to say on other issues but my bet there will be an eery silence from our Alex.

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dave A,

09/12/2007 03:54:24

What is this nonsense of Scottish troops and families being treated badly as though it was just them being singled out for bad treatment .The whole of the British forces and families are being badly treated by this government ,shame on them.

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09/12/2007 08:19:41
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walter,

09/12/2007 08:59:16

I know it is disgusting the way Scots and their families are treated in the British military.
I mean the English, Welsh, Irish, Gurkha's, Kiwis, Fijians, Aussies, Canucks in fact anybody else who serves do not have these problems or are treated in such a way by this government it is only the Scots.

#1
The A&SH are a unit of the British army and Canterbury is a British army base

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Vince Campbell,

Friockheim, Angus 09/12/2007 10:22:45

There can of course be no serious differentiation regarding the treatment of our Military Forces on the grounds of Nationality.

This Government has followed many a template thrust at the Armed Forces for centuries. With callous, cowardly forethought of mind, the decision makers of this island race are protected from the horrors of war, and wantonly abandon these most noble men and women who serve to contain the possibility of war from ever reaching these shores.

This unique form of impunity-laced cowardice is compounded by the reality that as many a weak politician and civil servant lack the courage to face 'our' Armed Forces on the battlefield, their courage races to the forefront of the attention of all, as they abandon our serving personnel and Veterans whilst complacently skulking behind the colours of their Party and ruthless-minded legislation that demands the abandonment of our Armed Forces.

To this end it should not come as a surprise that as Tony Blair raced to Basra with his friends, looking our troops in the eye and shaking their hands, he didn't tell them that exactly at precisely that moment in time, somewhere back in London, some more of his friends were overhauling the proceedures for assessing and awarding pensions and compensation to troops injured for life and that he, had just made it impossible for many of them to claim what would be automatically theirs in a civilised society.

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Colin R,

Bearsden 09/12/2007 11:10:03

Des Browne must go - he's lied repeatedly over this and other issues eg pay, sailors stories, cockpit video - he found £2Bn to do up his Whitehall offices!

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Riley Hamish,

Edina 09/12/2007 11:38:50

Look Lads..........smoke a joint.......faila test......and get yer 4rses home.........NOW
If THEY don't want ye THERE......we, sure as he11 want you HERE.
Leave them and their colonial wars to it.......COME HOME........NOW.

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shivago8,

Livingston 09/12/2007 11:48:08

The new labour party have shot themselves in the foot.Keeping the army living on a shoestring and doing annual defence cuts over the last ten years has eventually brought them to there knee,s.
They are now standing up to the boffins in the MOD and the government and saying,ENOUGH IS ENOUGH,we cant sustain this anymore.
The government because of the acute embarrassment have now had to cough up and at last not take money from them but throw money at them.
It really is unbelievable the damage the NEW labour has done to our armed services over there period in government.
The new ploy by them is saying that the civilian population is no longer interested in the services and dont appear to welcome them home when they come back from conflicts in Iraq and the Afghan .
Reasons being,they completely knocked the spirit out of the serving soldiers and the veterans walked away when they took up there knifes and destroyed the regimental system.People in regimental areas are now no longer interested as the regiment that they knew,loved and revered is no longer.It is a number and they are all crumbling away.We have lost our greatest icon and it appears that it will never recover.I for one will never forget the labour party and the mention of there name turns my stomach,my fervent wish is that the government carry out a review and one of the recommendations is that the labour party this NEW LABOUR party are binned.

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shivago8,

Livingston 09/12/2007 11:50:28

What do you mean my comment text was not entered

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Gabriel,

Edinburgh 09/12/2007 12:06:50

This is just another alarm bell on the deterioration of the conditions in the armed forces. It needs a NEW GOVERNMENT URGENTLY to address the whole issue. Gordon Brown is personally responsible for the mess, having been Chancellor for the last ten years when he ruhlessly cut funding. He should resign immedilately.

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Cracker06,

Livingston 09/12/2007 15:40:38

Gabriel

Do you honestly believe another government party would treat the military any better? Because of the war their profile is high and everyone wants the best for them. However the minute they are off the front page the vast majority of the population won't give a sh*t about our soldiers. I know as I had 2 brothers who served from the 60's to the 80's and they encountered exactly the same problems. Let's not forget the cutbacks the Tories were responsible for..

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Toast,

09/12/2007 17:16:32

#13 nice one.
Brown basically doesn't give a shit about anybody,he is an arrogant ,selfserving politician who is only interested in clinging on to power,he has destroyed the economy with his incompetence and is now hell bent on destroying our society with his total disinterest.

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Sandi,

California 09/12/2007 17:35:45

#13 Hen Broon 5,

Well said.

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notantidollarbut,

east lothian 09/12/2007 18:01:19

dear soldier you don;t have to shoot yourself in foot these days to get out just have a smoke ps deployment my late father was deployed from 1939 to 1946 4 years in the 14th army far east

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wattie>x 1,

09/12/2007 21:24:02

Four Million men who served with the UK armed forces during World War One returned to mass unemployment and poverty during the post 1918 era. There wasn't a city or town that didn't have homeless and limbless beggars begging for food on their streets. Many of those who married dwelt in appalling rat and disease riddden slums and their children were fed in soup kitchens and many went to school barefooted and in rags. Many who became poachers to feed their families and were caught by the law wre sent to prison often by the very same people who had sent them too the Western Front to fight their dirty blood letting war. My late father was one of these unfortunates who had served in the Seaforth Highlanders and the Royal Scots Fusiliers.
I served in the Second World War and being fortunate enough to return to be demobbed in 1946 and married; like countless thousands of others found ourselves homeless, yet, many properties lay unoccupied but were soon taken over by homeless service men, but as usual the full force off the law was used to evict us with the threat off imprisonment.
So you can see, when all conflicts past and present come to an end, returning servicemen are treated with contempt and without dignity as they are no longer required to do the dirty work for the Establishment and their political friends and allies.
The present shabby treatment being dished out to our returning service personnel is not a new found
phenomenon, it has always been the practice within the disunited UK.

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Cynic,

Dalkeith 09/12/2007 21:29:24

Frankly, I don't understand why young people want to join the armed services these days when they're so badly treated by the government. In deed, with friends like this governement, who needs enemies.

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Porry,

09/12/2007 23:02:51

I'm afraid, jenny m, it's the useless lot of Socialist palm bough wavers who treat soldiers and their families like scum--in the UK and over here on the Continent. They mock those who are ready to give their lives for their country and fellow citizens and even try to re-write history in an attempt to clean their own broon pants.

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Sweenato,

Glasgow 10/12/2007 01:50:30

Whatever the political controversies regarding British foreign policy in respect of ongoing operations in Iraq, I feel this simply fails to address the point that the Government has consistently and arrogantly failed to match its foreign policy ambitions with adequate resources for our Armed Forces to function without seriously compromising their long term strategic capability, especially with the geopolitical emergence of new potential strategic threats in the future such as Putin’s Russia and Communist China. It seems we have learned nothing from history, when the UK’s disarmament policies of the 1920’s and 1930’s after the “War to end all Wars” left us extremely vulnerable to Nazi invasion with the outbreak of World War Two.

The UK is not a small, inoffensive northern European nation. We are a global centre for commerce, technology and culture. We are the fifth richest country in the world. Our wealth, as most of you know, is generated from trade with the rest of the world, rather than just a few countries. The UK therefore relies a whole lot more on the security of our trading routes with of the rest of the world for our prosperity than most other countries do.

We have an expatriate community of 5.5 million people (i.e. 10% of our population live outside the UK). London trades more money than the next two cities combined. We are one of only two countries in Europe that has access to natural gas reserves in our area. In recent years, the military has conducted operations against drug-runners in the Caribbean, taking millions of dollars from South American drug barons controlling governments through dirty money

This chronic disparity stems from a legacy of strategic cutbacks implemented since end of the Cold War, beginning with the 'Options for Change' defence review in 1992, which was viewed as a “peace dividend”. The irony of that policy of course is that British forces are now engaged in the longest sustained campaigns since the Korean War

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Sweenato,

Glasgow 10/12/2007 01:51:10

This policy of reductions in defence capability using euphemisms such as “efficiency savings” has been continued under a Labour government that places greater value upon populist investment in an ever expanding welfare state and tripling investment in the NHS, with dubious returns, whilst allowing defence expenditure to progressively half in size from 4.5% of GDP in 1990 to merely 2.1% this year. This trend is extrapolated in reality also, as the British Army now has half the manpower it had in 1990 and the Royal Navy’s fleet is also half the size it was in 1990, whilst having to endure ever greater commitments.

The sad reality is that is now directly resulting in the deaths of service personnel. For instance the crash of the Nimrod MR2 in Afghanistan can be directly attributed to the fact that the aircraft was well past its operational lifespan and was indeed meant to be replaced by the long delayed MRA4 in 2003. The government contends that it has consistently increased the size of the defence budget, but in reality, the relatively high rate of inflation in the defence industry means that the budget has not only declined as an overall percentage of GDP but has also declined in real terms, and I applaud the efforts of pressure groups such as the newly established UKNDA, for highlighting the reality behind such disingenuous “spinning” by the MoD.

When the government (by any party) talks of spending going up in real terms they are misleading us. Real terms means allowing for inflation: including price increases. General inflation is currently much lower than military inflation. Defence spending can go up in real terms (general inflator) while still going down in real terms (military inflator). The price of fuel for instance is a greater component of the military price index than the generally used CPI and RPI.

In respect to certain nationalists claiming that it is specifically Scottish soldiers that are being discriminated against, this is utte

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Shone,

Highland Region 10/12/2007 10:51:47

#13

The Argyll and Sutherland "Highlanders" has never been a Highland regiment since it was established in 1881. It does not recruit in Sutherland nor does its personell respect the language and culture of Argyll, the cradle of the Scots. Some of its soldiers disgraced the regiment recently. Consequently, it is no surprise that the regiment is not welcome in England.

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Conan,

Moffat 10/12/2007 23:40:26

Hang in there folks, soon there will be a SCOTTISH ARMY that will be betterfunded and better employed than the anacronism known as the British Army, whose principal purpose is to go around the world and sweep-up after the crumbled Empire.

Let's get it over with.

Let's have our own INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND and let the English do as they please.

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