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Published Date:
23 March 2008
JUSTICE Secretary Kenny MacAskill has declared war on the UK's leading supermarkets, warning he will impose minimum prices on alcohol if stores continue to offer cut-price deals.
In an outspoken attack on leading stores such as Asda, Tesco and Sainsbury's, MacAskill accused them of "playing games" and seeking to "evade their responsibilities".

MacAskill is putting the finishing touches to a consultation paper which will recommend banning two-for-one deals and buy-one-get-one-free offers on alcohol.

But Scotland on Sunday can reveal the industry has warned the minister that if the bans are imposed, the supermarkets and drink suppliers will respond by simply lowering their prices for all drink so that consumers are still offered discounts.

MacAskill has responded by saying he would look at introducing minimum prices for alcohol.

Campaigners against cheap drink have suggested the minimum price should be set at 50p for a unit of alcohol, meaning a "bargain" bottle of red wine currently priced at £3 would have to sell for at least £5.

Last week, ministers said they would consider increasing the age limit on alcohol sales from 18 to 21 in supermarkets and off-licences.

Industry insiders predict the move to ban cheap drink deals will fail. They say suppliers will continue to have promotional budgets and will simply find new ways of spending them. One possibility, according to insiders, is that suppliers and supermarkets will cut alcohol prices across the board.

The suggestion has infuriated MacAskill. He said: "Just last month supermarkets were talking the talk about the need to tackle cheap alcohol. I welcomed that, but talk is cheap – as cheap as the bucket loads of drink they are selling to get folk into their shops. This month it would appear that we are back to playing games."

He added: "They should know that we are intent on tackling irresponsible promotion and pricing. If there are measures that seek to evade those responsibilities we will not hesitate to use all available powers to ensure that they are addressed."

He went on: "Nothing is ruled out of this strategy, and the price of alcohol is one of a number of issues that is being considered."

Alcohol campaigners say MacAskill has the power under recent licensing laws to create new definitions of irresponsible alcohol promotions. They say, for example, that alcohol sold at below cost price could be defined as irresponsible, and thereby be banned.

The British Liver Trust has backed calls for a minimum price for alcohol and suggested 50p per unit as a guide for a minimum price for drink.

Under such a scheme, many of the deals being offered in supermarkets in Scotland yesterday would be illegal.

A pack of 20 bottles of Stella Artois, with a strength of 5% alcohol, was priced at £8.98 in Sainsbury's in Gorgie, Edinburgh. Under the Liver Trust's pricing scheme it would have to cost a minimum of £14.20.

A 750ml bottle of Granules Tesoro Garnacha Rioja, which was yesterday priced at £3.20 from Tesco online, would have a minimum price of £5.05.

A two-litre bottle of White Lightning Cider would cost £7.50 instead of the £3.08 currently charged by Asda.

Supermarket groups and retailers last night warned against Draconian measures.

A spokesman for Asda said: "We are not convinced that raising the price of alcohol is the correct solution to the problem. It is a blunt instrument that raises the price to the millions of consumers who drink responsibly. The key issue is changing our culture and encouraging awareness of sensible drinking, a process we are committed to working with Government on as part of its alcohol strategy."

Fiona Moriarty of the Scottish Retail Consortium added: "Scotland has got a difficult and complex relationship with alcohol, which is not going to be solved by dealing with price and promotions alone. It has to look at early intervention and awareness-raising."

The stores also point to new measures they have put in place to prevent irresponsible drinking, such as proof-of-age schemes for anyone who looks under 25, the removal of controversial drinks and a commitment to prosecute under-18s who try to buy drink.

But alcohol awareness groups say that raising prices is the only way to cut down on excessive drinking.

The Alcohol Health Alliance claim that by increasing the cost of alcohol by 10% the number of alcohol-related deaths could be cut by anywhere between 10% and 30%.

• Shops are defying government attempts to clamp down on cheap alcohol by pressurising suppliers to absorb the extra costs from tax rises, it was claimed last night. A drinks industry document reportedly calls on brewers and distillers not to increase prices to retailers so that they can continue selling drink cheaply.

The full article contains 807 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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karinxx,

23/03/2008 00:31:00
i have to say that we really do need to do something about alcohol problems. Smoking used to be the big problem in scotland and due to price rises and legislation smokers are now lepers me included. So i think we need to go the same way with alcohol.
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karinxx,

23/03/2008 00:31:01
i have to say that we really do need to do something about alcohol problems. Smoking used to be the big problem in scotland and due to price rises and legislation smokers are now lepers me included. So i think we need to go the same way with alcohol.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 00:33:26
'Dear O Dear O Me'!!!!

Stock-up now, before the 'Muppet Show' becomes reality!

"Binge Drinkers" will always find the Money to get legless!

My 'Cider Farm' is now set-up, so forget Asda, and the likes,

"Binge Drinkers Welcome"
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 00:34:04
better say it twice then karinxx
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subrosa,

23/03/2008 00:35:18
#4 & # 5

Tend to agree. When water is dearer than alcohol in supermarkets action has to be taken.

Mind you, the way the suppliers are talking, there may not be much of an increase.
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karinxx,

23/03/2008 00:41:41
now how did that happen
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 23/03/2008 01:10:58
Mr AM2 or perhaps Mrs I work for a FTSE 100 listed company and vote SNP .

I am a lot higher paid than most Labour voters I know because the sole reason they have for voting Labour is to preserve their public sector jobs or level of Benefits .

SICK OF IT LET THEM JOIN THE REAL WORLD AND NOT SCROUNGE FROM THE TAX MONEY I PAY EACH MONTH
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jimboo,

the wemyss 23/03/2008 01:23:33
they are driving our kids into the arms of the pushers, drunken middle class alcoholic politicians can afford their expensive drinks. our kids, well the price of smack has collapsed, skunk is everywhere, ? hypocrites
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subrosa,

23/03/2008 01:33:51
# 13

You're talking drivel and you know it. The average SNP voter is a professional and you know that too if you've done your homework to any standard. I despair. Your constant knocking of the SNP and its supporters does you no credit. Pray tell me, what's the average income of a labour supporter? I don't know that fact because there are none where I reside.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 01:34:08
So a big rise there will be, in the 'Home Brewing' Kits!

One 'Share-Price' that will escalate!
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 23/03/2008 01:35:22
AM2

I have noticed your posts on here and you seem to be backed up with some survey or poll would you like to do the same here that explains SNP voters have lower income than Labour voters
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Legacy,

NE 23/03/2008 01:39:21
Why does he not threaten the the Gas and Electric Co's to get their prices DOWN, or don't that matter, as it's only the low-income peasants that suffer, from the criminal energy prices.
But there again it's only the low-income peasants who worry about the price of drink going up!
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Tell me that Kenny was in Norway for his hols!!!
But there again, he's doing away with the Council Tax!!!
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 23/03/2008 01:44:12
#10 AM2

You have completely blown your cover. Your assertion is quite revealing:-

"The average SNP voter is lower paid than a voter for any other party.

Kenny's heart's in the right place, but he's no electoral strategist! LOL."

Isn't it shocking that the SNP designs policy for the good of the public rather than for political expediency?

Secondly I would challenge your notion that the SNP voters are lower paid than supporters of other parties (is this a crude way to suggest that the most underprivalged and uneducated in society support the SNP?). The SNP draws most support from affluent parts of the country and from those with some education that have manged to cut through the systematic anti-snp propganda feed to them by the British state and media.
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 01:44:36
"The average SNP voter is lower paid than a voter for any other party."
I detect a hint of a sneer there. If you are correct, does it not worry your Labour pals that they no longer speak for Scotland's working classes....

Anyway, back to the issue in hand - we have a generation of kids in Scotland where significant numbers are growing up with life shortening liver damage. Is this not an issue that should attract cross-party support? Not if you're a Labour supporter and like to throw the "kiljoy Kenny" or "nanny state" smears at what is a genuine attempt to do something - not that the Labour Party and their lobbyist pals (not to mention the Sainsbury donations) ever got round to....


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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 23/03/2008 01:57:49

Back onto the article:- Controlling price is the crudest, yet most effective way to control demand for any good. What is clear is that a new approach is required to combat alcohol abuse in Scotland.

Education is a long road and the effectiveness of public health education programs can be seriously challenged. This is a problem that requires short and mid term solutions - not wishy-washy expensive long term education campaigns (as supported by the 'industry')that will guarantee no results.

This whole debate is the perfect example of why Scotland needs seperate government from the rest of the UK. We know that alcohol is a problem in Scotland relative to the rest of the UK (can we all agree on this) and that we need policies that address this serious issue to fit our circumstances. Ideally the Scottish government would be able to impose additional taxes on the sale of alcohol - revenue accruing from this going to Scottish coffers.

It is unrealistic to expect the drinks industry to regulate itself. Drinks companies want to sell as much product as possible, they do not believe they have a social obligation. It is the place of government to regulate such markets. Are there any cries of foul play in Sweden where all off-sales are controlled through government run outlets at high prices? - no.

This sort of initiave is beyond politics (though not for the mocking AM2), if drinks companies don't like it or try to get around it simply impose punative tarrifs on their product (this is the only language they understand).

The message should be lopud and clear:-

YOU WILL BE REGULATED
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 23/03/2008 02:01:56
Every few posts you come across one that displays the mentallity of the SNP's political opponents:-

#17 - "Peasants"

What a high regard you have for your countrymen sir
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gaffer,

Kamloops, B,C.Canada 23/03/2008 03:04:44
seems to me that there is to much intervention from Goverments into trying to control free enterprise , because kids and adultsdont want to control their drinking habits, these idiot that are in control of goverments thnk they can do it for them by imposing higher prices, these cant be the actions of educated people , or are the so educated that they have lost sight of what could be done , and that would be jail those who are caught selling the boose to young people and jail those who are caught drunk , failing that send the kids to a boot camp for a term and lets watch the results,
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Guga II,

Rockall 23/03/2008 03:41:02
That total waste of space, Kenny MacAskill, strikes again.

Putting up prices will not stop binge drinkers, it will only penalise the majority of people that enjoy a quite drink now and again. As for the proposal being floated to raise the drinking age to 21, that is utter garbage. the current age of 18 doesn't seem to stop the teeny-boppers from drinking, so raising the age limit won't affect them in the slightest.

If MacAskill would get his head out of his backside, he might realise that the only way to stop binge drinkers, especially those ones that cause all the street fighting and drink induced crime, is to actually punish them. I know that might seem like a novel concept to a total numpty who has stated that he deosn't want to gaol anyone under the age of 18 (presumably including murderes and rapists).

Put all the young neds and thugs in tented camps, surrounded by razor wire, and make them work by having them on chain gangs.

Stop trying to penalise ordinary people because you are so bereft of ideas MacAskill. Better still, wee Eck should give him the boot.
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Rozz Fyffe,

Scotland 23/03/2008 04:21:51
until Scotland and indeed the UK start to neuter and "dress" those criminals, junkies, rapists, peados and malcontents there will be problems
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Scot Richards,

Beijing 23/03/2008 05:20:16
Interesting. I guess the SNP never heard of Ted Heath and his disasterous Price and Wages policy of the 70s.

The government has absolutely no right interfering the commerce of Scotland or denying our pensioners the right to a wee dram at an affordable price. The earlier comments about this being Communism have a point. Then again, I live in a communist country - China - where a 750ml bottle of YanJing Beer (quite good) sells for the equivalent of 11p. A bottle of Johnnie Walker Red for £6. Even so, I don't see many drunks here.

Perhaps if the SNP made Scotland a place where people like me could live again instead of emigrating they might find that rather than getting p*shed young people would have something to work for.
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timbrusky,

Texas, USA 23/03/2008 06:29:53
Well folks, when your Government determines what price you may sell anything in your store, YOU NO LONGER OWN the store! Wake up folks. Tell this idiot to take a hike. Whew!
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Kenny A,

23/03/2008 07:54:23
23 Guga

Often do not agree with what you post. This time however you are spot on. Increasing the price of drink will not slow down the problem cases. It will only hurt the people who drink reasonably.

Punishment if people step over the line is the way forward.

Not advocating a step back to the middle ages but I cannot take my grandchildern out with me when I go home to the Islands, one of my childern who still lives there is seriously wary about going out due to the pissed up youngsters seen in the evernings. Where do they get the loot?

Always a wild place the Islands, populated by decent people in general, increasing the price of drink will not slow down the Dawn Patrol. Dont know if it is true but rumour has it some of the hard core drunks get a bottle a day of the state as "medicine", if that is true what point is there raising the price of drink for the rest of us.
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ianH,

Balerno 23/03/2008 07:56:09
I don't know if the Exec pay much attention to these posts, but I'm fed up with the thoughts of Mr MacAskill, I do not think I will vote SNP again
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/03/2008 08:08:15
Price is little to do with the alcohol problem. It's ease of availability that matters; together with peer pressure and absence of positive parental influence.

Smoking has fallen not because of price, but for health, fashion and negative image reasons.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 23/03/2008 08:08:57
I think he means well but

1. Most young binge drinkers buy their supplies from small off licences not supermarkets

2. There is a dnager that high alcohol prices will boost the sale of cheaper illegal drugs.

3. Price hikes are a blunt instrument and punish the innocent as well. Don't know if its possible but could there not be two prices, one for buying alcohol on its own and another if the alcohol is bought alongside say about £20 of non alcoholic products, excluding cigarettes?. Can't see the bingers wanting to buy milk,bread of shampoo alongside the bottle of cider!
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Stepford Nat,

23/03/2008 08:09:44
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No, don't defect - that will make you a unionist. Kenny is brilliant. Labour is rubbish.
Join us ww.snp.org
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

23/03/2008 08:15:30
23. I think you are correct, Kenny MacAskill is to be congratulated on trying very hard to tackle the blight of under-age and unhealthy binge drinking, but putting up prices is not the way to do it. With ciders and alcopops so cheap, an extra 50p or £1 on them won't price them out of anti-social drinkers budgets, but will mean responsible types end up paying alot more for other drinks. This step-wise price driven prohibition will not achieve much.
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 23/03/2008 08:31:17
It would appear that Kenny McAskill is a prat of the highest order. Government to regulate fun, next? Sales to be banned to cut down on binge-shopping? Enforced excercise regimes for a healthier nation?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

23/03/2008 08:34:43
36. I was responsible in my drinkage last night. Top of the morning to you :-)
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Pattester,

Galashiels 23/03/2008 08:35:27
Who does this numpty think he is, open your eyes Kenny this won't help the binge drinker just make them commit more crime to get the money they want to go drinking. Come into the real world and punish the offenders, don't molly coddle them a short sharp stint in an army camp would do it and make them respect what they had was good. Taxing everyone will do nothing except line the pockets of Gordon Brown and Co soon we will be taxed so much they won't have to bother giving us a wage each week or month it will just go straight to the government in fact its not far from that at the moment. After all I though we lived in a FREE country HA HA and they were supposed to be looking after the interests of the voters and like the price of fuel its about time they realised we can and will get rid of them from their cushy jobs if they don't start doing what they promised before they came to power.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 08:39:01
Typical SNP response to anything, government knows best and tries to change behaviour through useless legislation. Why anyone thinks this is other than an old-fashioned Socialist party beats me. We'll be the new Ireland they keep telling us. Aye, right, we'll be the command economy basket case Ireland of the 1960s.

Let the people decide how they want to live their lives but face the consequences of bad behaviour. Your bairn has been found out of its face by the polis? Lose your child benefit for a while and your own if there's any repeat. You have to go to hospital because you've almost killed yourself through drink or injured yourself? A nice big, fat bill for treatment from the NHS. Should help cure the hangover.
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Unimpressed one,

23/03/2008 08:45:03
given that it's buckie and cheap cider that are the drinks of choice of the itellectually challenged, why doesn't he impose draconian prices on these products first just to see what effect this has on 'binge drinking'? Better still, why not take the opportunity to kill two birds with one stone, and impose a realistic returnable deposit on these bottles? No typical Rottweiler politics - ban all, and threaten most. What a to*sser of a man.
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 23/03/2008 08:50:47
#40 Spook

It is not a sales-price problem, it is a social problem. Your children go out and get pished because you did it when you were young. Banning sales promotions is not 'tackling the problem', it is merely the banning of sales promotions. If you think that is 'trying', you are mistaken. Do you seriously think it is the supermarket's fault that some people drink heavily?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

23/03/2008 08:51:04
41. Irresponsible parents whose children end up in the gutter drunk, taking up police time (Tony Blair?).

Irresponsible parents whose children sell and take drugs (Jack Straw?)

Irresponsible steamers who get blootered and threaten the safety of others (Lords Wastson and Foulkes)

I think your solutions a bit simplistics - as this wee list shows even responisble parents doing their best can't control their kids all the time, and the odd mishap like arson or assaulting a policeman can befall even the most "upstanding" Lords.
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

23/03/2008 08:58:42
tak a drink
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cabrach loon,

inverness 23/03/2008 09:06:19
anyone desperate can brew their own, cut their costs and deny the govt the outrageous high tax revenue they would otherwise pay, I used to do it though now for medical reasons I rarely drink.

THe young should be warned very strongly that they are heading for gout and liver problems after middle age if not before / so be moderate, it is no good killing yourself and your brain prematurely
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McMillar,

Fife 23/03/2008 09:12:08
We need to take some drastic action on this topic so seems like a good idea to be used in conjunction with all others. Scotland has a very poor record and reputation for health/drinking and it’s not what we should be known as going fwd. Controls are essential to kick start the future health of everyone.
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Forward not Back,

23/03/2008 09:15:04
Are Viccy Wine, Haddows and the like about to open a chain of stores between Carlisle and Berwick? What a nonsensical idea this is!

What would be more effective is clamping down on adults who go and buy alcohol for kids.
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FTH22inarow,

23/03/2008 09:17:59
MSP's MP's how about letting people live their own lives, do you honestly think putting the price up will stop alcoholics drinking? its just another tax on the working classes
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John H C,

edinburgh 23/03/2008 09:34:01
Is there no learning from others' mistakes. Just look at what happened in America early 20th century with prohibition! Drink was sold in the black market and mafia gangs became powerful. Waken up Mr McAskil and realise you cannot bully the public. Go ahead with this foolish plan and you will suffer at the next election.
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Rob me blind,

Peterhead 23/03/2008 09:49:04
Well Kenny is only saying out loud what the SNP want to do with many things. They have plans to increase our cost of living to enable them to carryout their half baked ideas. Just look around the country and tell me what the SNP have actually done in either Scottish Government or Local Government that has not put an additional burden on us the tax payer. Once the SNP get full tax raising powers then the pound in your pocket will just disappear.

The so called ‘local income tax’ raised in Edinburgh and then handed out will never be a fair way of paying for services, all those who don’t work or who have incomes through savings or shares will just sit back and laugh. Every person who bothers to work will be paying for even poorer services than we currently get. The changed people likely Kenny are shouting for are the very same changes that will drive the big businesses from Scotland.

WAKE UP SCOTLAND GET RID OF THE SNP BEFORE THEY DAMAGE BEYOND REPAIR THIS COUNTRY.
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 23/03/2008 09:52:47
The real problem is that there is very little stigma attached to being hammered, of an evening, in Scotland. Hopefully, one day people will realise that watching their parents die of alchol-related illnesses is uncool (it seems to be working for young people in Russia).

Anyway, blaming supermarkets is just plain daft. It wasnae me, it was Tesco? Jeez-o...
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Mark, embra,

embra 23/03/2008 09:53:05
Well done to the SNP for tackling this issue.
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portonian,

falkirk 23/03/2008 09:53:12



do pensioners get coupons under the new scheme

or is this just a tax hike
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Guga II,

Rockall 23/03/2008 10:00:32
#28 Kenny A.

Just out of interest, registered alcoholics get £10 a day from the government to buy booze. Nice to know where your taxes are going, isn't it?

As for the Dawn Patrol, most of them are dead or dying off, though there are some younger one stepping in to fill the ranks.
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Bermuda Bie,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 10:01:46
This problem has a cause and an effect. The Sad Numpties are trying to deal with the effect but they have it wrong. (Surprised?). The binge drinkers live at home and they are supported by their parents therefore all their income is disposable. A few pounds here and there will have no effect.

Consider the cause. Why are young people obsessed with drinking? Copying their parents, peer pressure, boredom, lack of ambition, the concept of hobbies and interests being lost, or even a chance to build confidence and beat the xxxx of of someone. These are the issues that have to be dealt with.
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David55,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 10:09:20
What is the point of alcohol, if not to get you drunk?

Why don't we all just drink soft drinks?

Why do some people need a drink at the end of the week?

Maybe the politicians should try and come up with answers to these questions.

I don't think this is a vote winner. Cheap deals on wine in supermarkets is one of the few inexpensive things in my life. There are enough expensive things in life, such as rent, mortgage, council tax, utility bills, paye tax, national insurance, car insurance, road tax, petrol, travelcards, train tickets, plane tickets, parking tickets,....etc. etc.
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Mike Partick,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 10:10:11
#53 - this isn't actually prohibition that is being suggested, but stopping cut price alcohol....I think we are still a long way from prohibition.

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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/03/2008 10:21:36
I think these proposals are worth trying. The trick is to increase the prices on the cheapest drink only. This in combination with raising the age limit together with changing attitudes towards alcohol can only be positive.

At least the SNP are willing to try something radical which is more than can be said of the LabLib Executive.
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DaveK,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 10:22:36
If people were to be ID'd via mental age rather than actual age, this idiot wouldn't get served. He's way out of line and way out of his remit and gives a little taste of what life would be like under a free SNP Reich. What's the point of Salmond trying to "look" like a statesman when the rest of his crew look like utter numpties.
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daveserviceman,

edinburgh 23/03/2008 10:33:09
Yes a marxist state by the sounds of it but it will be the lower paid working class and pensioners who will suffer I just wonder what would happen if all the supermarkets pulled out of scotland the new marxist stae and left all there employees on the brew that would cripple the economy, besides people will always find cheap boose ie going to england to buy it and the contenant kenny cant stop that as we are part of the european union the economy of scotland will suffer in the long run and the north of englands will benifit
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King Billy.,

23/03/2008 10:38:31
Orange Vodka does it for me.
I am glad to see the SNP are taking steps on this issue unlike the Unionist drones.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 23/03/2008 10:39:47
I think raising the drinking age would be a good step, but you would also have to police this as many retailers would continue to sell drink to children.
I do not think that raising prices will be very effective, in fact it could be counter productive. If you raise the price high enough it will encourage White Van Men to bring in cheap booze from outside Scotland. Since selling this booze would in itself be illegal I don't think that their customers age would be much of a concern for them. If you really are serious about reducing underage drinking in Scotland then you need to use the police. You need a zero tolerance approach in which everyone found staggering around the streets are arrested and charged.
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bill-alba,

Fife 23/03/2008 10:41:44
#64 if the supermarkets were to pull out of Scotland it would be to everyone's benefit (take a look at any hight st in any town)...I think you'll find that the poor pensioners aren't going to the supermarkets to stock up on drink and people who really want a drink will make their own because they will be to pi$$ed to drive to the north of england to top up. so please go away with your marxist state..are you really a serviceman??
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Jimmy the Pie,

23/03/2008 10:42:53
Do all the posters, critical of Kenny MacAskill think that there are no alcohol problems in Scotland?? Are they blind (or just blind drunk)? Years ago drink was relatively more expensive than it is today. Countries in Scandanavia realise they have problems with alcohol and tax it heavily. This doesn't stop the serious pi$hheads but they have a much reduced problem. Remember we all have to pay through the NHS to pick up the pieces left.
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DaveK,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 10:43:28
If Kenny MacAskill were a drink he would be a turd cocktail!
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iain morrison,

nairn 23/03/2008 10:45:10
I am a Nationalist but Kenny MacAskill appears to be losing the plot. Where is his evidence that cost is the problem. Why isn't it greater in France, Spain,Italy and Greece who all have much cheaper drink? Our problem is cultural and should be addressed as such. Does he really want to see massive booze warehouses in Carlise, growing the English economy, a wee trip to Calais would be highly educational for him.
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iain morrison,

Nairn 23/03/2008 10:46:44
Jimmy the Pie,23/03/2008 10:42:53
Do all the posters, critical of Kenny MacAskill think that there are no alcohol problems in Scotland?? Are they blind (or just blind drunk)? Years ago drink was relatively more expensive than it is today. Countries in Scandanavia realise they have problems with alcohol and tax it heavily. THEY STILL HAVE A PROBLEM, WHILE COUNTRIES WITH A MATURE APPROACH LIKE FRANCE DO NOT.
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Transparent?,

Scotland 23/03/2008 10:51:01
#1. Communism is Capitalism monopolized.
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lachlan,

23/03/2008 10:54:52
if the objective of your drinking is to get drunk you will find the type of alcohol that does that for.if it gets to dear you go for cheaper brand or make your own.scandinavia is often reported as a success in dealing with thier problem.i don't think they are as successfull as we would like to think.if you put alcohol out of the reach of most young people other people are more than willing to sell them other substances that will get them 'oot the box'.it is our attitude to alcohol and drunkeness that is the problem.
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Publius,

London 23/03/2008 10:56:05
(1) #8 SubRosa
You write that 'when water is dearer than alcohol in supermarkets action has to be taken'.
It's only a few months since supermarkets were selling petrol for less than mineral water (you can still find some bottles of 750 cl sold at £1.50), but people can't get enough of mineral water.
Mineral water drinking and binge drinking don't happen because mineral water or alcohol are cheap. They happen because they are fashionable.
(2) Underage drinking has little to do with big supermarkets. It's not supermakets they buy the stuff from.
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Macbeth 1616,

Fife 23/03/2008 10:59:57
The argument against raising prices is that it penalises the potentially poor drinker, sensible drinker who does no one any harm. This may be true.

The downside is that at night the streets are full of drunken youths who have binged out on alcohol that is cheaper than bottled water, or irn bru.

If the biggest concern is drunks on the streets then "something needs to be done". If a bigger concern is that sensible drinkers should be able to afford their tipple then we don't need to do anything.

The price rise is a blunt instrument, but it is a big problem that needs addressed.

Retailers and drinks companies are measured on sales/profits. Their attitude to the issue is the same as that around tobacco. Never will there be voluntary actions for these companies, they need pushed.

Can you imagine Tesco putting up "This food kills" on their deli counter. That is what they do on their tobacco sales. If they have morals that are so low as to sell lethal products then I doubt they have any concerns about alcohol.
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Jimmy the Pie,

23/03/2008 11:08:07
#71 Iain Morrison.

The further south you go the less the problem appears to be. Every country on a latitude like ours and North seem to have an alcohol problem and tries to control it by restricting availabilty and by high taxation. If nothing else, higher taxes on drink would help pay for the NHS costs of dealing with the results of the nations binges.

Does this not make sense to you???
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mr angry,

ayrshire 23/03/2008 11:16:34
Mcaskill is a turnip, just because he got lifted for drunk and disorderly he seems obsessed with raising the price of alcohol. Perhaps he needs to go into a dark room and engage some braincells. This will do nothing to consumption, it will only move it to other outlets, ie home production or black market. The environment will get clobbered with all the Transits plying back and forth between England and Scotland.
This clown could destroy the SNP singlehanded.
The problem is much bigger than price, he needs to think how the culture can be changed, no easy task. Assaid many many times , lot of countries have far cheaper prices and many times less drunks , price is not the reason. Also why should majority be made to apy for the minority of idiots, strange way of thinking and sure to alienate voters big time.
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Methalions,

23/03/2008 11:17:37
"He will impose minimum prices on alcohol if stores continue to offer cut-price deals."

Ludicrous, ill-thought out, nonsensical. WTF is he thinking about? Hope this one's voted down.
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Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 23/03/2008 11:22:30
Sadly, this is such a bad concept. All it will do it deepen the divide between the rich and the poor. Unfortunatly, years of a Labour administration has successfully widened the gap between the have and have nots.

So, eventually, it will be the middle and top income earners that will be able to enjoy a tipple, drive "gas guzzlers", over heat thier homes, take 2 holidays a year abroad, buy "decent" food and so on.

While the low earners become the new under class which will lead to increased crime, drug abuse, people abuse and all the other soical ills it brings as the divide is rubbed in thier faces every day all day.

Rediculous.
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davieboy144,

23/03/2008 11:26:15
Putting up the price of alcohol will not stop alcoholics from buying it.

Alcoholics will still buy it and as a result their kids will get even less from the family budget, which statistically speaking, is an already tight one.
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George Mackay,

Coupar Angus 23/03/2008 11:29:29
Kenny MacAskill is right. Something needs to be done about our culture of alcoholism. I'm spending the weekend with my Auntie Jean in Coupar Angus. I went out last night to get her a bottle of Drambuie from the Co-op and I was shocked by the alcoholism I saw on the streets of this little town. When I got back to Auntie's I had to have a dram or two to get over my shock and I drank over half my bottle of 10 year old Talisker. Auntie Jean who is 87 says that drunkenness on the streets is getting worse all the time. If it wasn't for her Drambuie she doesn't know how she could face doing her messages.
Isn't it good that we now have wise men like Kenny McAskill in the government?
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Gtj,

Dundee 23/03/2008 11:32:58
"JUSTICE Secretary Kenny MacAskill has declared war on the UK's leading supermarkets".

What, is he going to burst in various supermarkets and kill hundreds of thousands of employees in the name of money. - O, sorry I'm getting mixed up with another WAR.

I appreciate this outfit are always going to go to any length to sensationalize trivial stories against the SNP. However it is possible to go to far.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 23/03/2008 11:35:09
Take a trip to Sweden all those who think this is such a stupid idea.

Sweden before the government controlled pricing and supply of off-sales had a terrible alcohol problem.

They have managed to control their alcohol problem through regulated supply.

Sweden is not a communist country but a liberal democracy(and dare I say an extremely succesful country whose social and economic policies Scotland could do well to emulate).

The facts are Scotland has an alcohol problem - a significant minority of people are 'hooked' on alcohol. It would be abhorent to most if other problem drugs like Cocain or Heroin were not regulated by government - what's the difference?

You would think MacAskill had just raided everyones piggy banks from some of the squeels on here. All he is proposing is taking cheap and nasty alcohol and basement price deals out of the market. Government is duty bound to regulate when commerce is unable to do so by their primary goal of 'selling more product'.

Get a grip you naysayers, go for it Kenny.

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iain morrison,

Nairn 23/03/2008 11:36:18
Jimmy the Pie,23/03/2008 11:08:07
#71 Iain Morrison.

The further south you go the less the problem appears to be. Every country on a latitude like ours and North seem to have an alcohol problem and tries to control it by restricting availabilty and by high taxation. If nothing else, higher taxes on drink would help pay for the NHS costs of dealing with the results of the nations binges.

Does this not make sense to you???

NO because it ignores The Netherlands, Poland and Germany which do not have the problem. Can you not see that the countries with the most draconian rules have the worst problems and those like France which culturaly and legaly introduce responsible social drinking from a young age do not - no answer to the Carlise question I see.
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iain morrison,

Nairn 23/03/2008 11:39:23
84# I suggest you find out what a swedish "Cray fish" party is.
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beech hedge,

blairgowrie 23/03/2008 11:40:02
MacAskill is an idiot and Alex Salmond should get rid of the drunken football hooligan.I can see a lot of Snp. voters being put off by this clown and I shall be writing to my msp stating my opposition to any of his plans.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 23/03/2008 11:45:48
#84 Iain

I never siad that the Swedes don't like a swally! - they do.

They certainly do not drink to the same excess as we do and they do not drink heavily as often.

It's pretty strictly a weekend affair or a summertime after work 'couple' they enjoy
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Saintee,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 11:50:38
Lets get this straight. Alcohol IS NOT cheaper than water. Some water is overpriced and , if you are daft enough you can pay more for water than caviar.

In Tesco, though, even though you can spend approx £2 on a litre of water you can also buy 2 litres for 18p.

Someone please tell me where I can buy alcohol for less than 9p a litre.

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joppa jock,

Huntingdon 23/03/2008 11:52:07
Does he have the power to demand they put a lower price on petrol? And will he encourage them to stock up on these charming denim outfits the peasants in China wore.
Attempting to stifle free enterprise and competition is a step down a very dangerous and rocky path. MacAskill should watch that he doesn't trip over his own big feet as he tries to dictate to the supermarkets what they will charge for their goods.
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iain morrison,

nairn 23/03/2008 11:55:24
#88 Dougie its much more than a couple they enjoy.

But I agree with you its not as big a problem there than here, not because of cost, but because of a generally fairer society. I would much prefer we copy there good ideas rather than their bad ones. Also for a country with a outstanding social make up their problem is greater than it should be, in fact greater than all the low cost alcohol countries such as Germany, France, The Netherlands, etc etc.

Also if we price Neds out of drink we just push more of them into drugs - not a good idea.

We do have to address our booze cultue, but this is not the way to do it.
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Lennox11,

Coatbridge 23/03/2008 12:05:01
Who does Makaskill thing he is,there is nothing he can do about this, again more bull***t & wind from an SNP executive, this is clearly an example of you may change the word from exceutive to government, and this issue clearly shows the SNP are no government, just wind.
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Stefania Alvarez,

23/03/2008 12:21:53
The Hollyrood so-called 'government' are again missing the point here.

The middle classes and the wealthy will still booze.

This is aimed at the poor.

Compared to France; Spain; Germany and other countries where children learn to drink responsibly ... with their parents
... Britain and the USA are backward.

In Scotland like other parts of the UK ... getting really drunk is a "rites of passage" thing for the young as they approach adulthood.

Also binge drinking and people who go out to get completely out of their heads on alcohol.

Backward attitudes to alcohol!!
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General-Blood,

Edinburgh/Gutersloh 23/03/2008 12:29:39
What a load of crap raising prices of alcohol will stop people drinking or will slow their drinking down what a load of horse manure. I am in the army and have a drink problem and guess what just because you raise the prices is not going to get me to stop drinking the amount of drink i drink. I mean i am not hurting anyone and i do my job does not affect my work. All I see is scotland being turned into a dictatorship where the anti drinking/smoking cabal dictate to the rest of scotland so much for democracy.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 23/03/2008 12:39:36
#101

You are beyond help
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 23/03/2008 13:23:22
All the posters above, who think that Scandanavian alchoholism was cured when they drastically increased alchol taxes should get a reality check and look at the alchoholism rate in Finland, compared to Scotland.
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long live the supermarkets,

Dundee 23/03/2008 13:39:28