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Published Date: 25 January 2009
FORMULA One champion Lewis Hamilton last night emerged as a powerful new weapon in the campaign against the Scottish Government's crackdown on alcohol.
In a move calculated to pile pressure on ministers, drinks firm Diageo has hired Hamilton to promote its message of encouraging responsible alcohol use rather than the "Draconian" and "blanket" approach of the Government. The driver, in an exclusive interview with Scotland on Sunday, said it was better to make people aware of the dangers of alcohol as "no one likes being told what to do".

Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill has declared war on Scotland's booze culture, proposing to raise the minimum age for buying drink in off-licences from 18 to 21, introduce alcohol-only checkouts in supermarkets, set minimum prices and end two-for-one deals.

There are also plans to make pubs and clubs pay a 'social responsibility fee' for the policing of antisocial behaviour in hotspot areas. The SNP is expected shortly to unveil its final proposals for tackling problem drinking, which is estimated to cost Scotland £2.25bn a year.

But the drinks industry and supermarkets are vigorously opposed to many of the proposals. Diageo, maker of Johnnie Walker and owner of brands such as Guinness and Smirnoff, last night revealed that 24-year-old Hamilton had joined its campaign.

The world champion said: "Making people aware of the dangers is obviously really important and will work better than telling them what to do, because no one likes being told what to do."

He added: "We're not telling people not to drink, just to make sure that they make the right decisions. There are some youngsters out there for whom I'm a sort of role model so hopefully they'll look at me and see what is good for me can be good for them.

"I'm in a position where I am able to get a positive message out and, hopefully, youngsters will listen to what I have to say because behaving responsibly with alcohol is a part of my life too."

Although Hamilton was careful not to directly criticise the Scottish Government, Rachael Robertson, head of government affairs at Diageo, pulled no punches. She said the firm was supportive of some of the SNP's ideas, but warned "Draconian proposals" would not work.

She said: "We need to change attitudes and using high-profile spokesmen like Lewis Hamilton helps us get the message across effectively.

"We're expecting some kind of announcement and we anticipate a blanket policy that would target the whole population rather than the minority that are misusing alcohol. Lewis is an example of how we can use the brand and its assets to target people.

"Lewis Hamilton is a big role model. We can use the skills we employ to sell our product to push the message of responsible drinking, to change attitudes towards alcohol and its misuse."

She added: "MacAskill has openly stated that he just wants to reduce overall consumption, but that simplistic goal won't reduce alcohol- related harm.

MacAskill's refrain has been that 'doing nothing is not an option', which we'd agree with, but … the approach required is a long-term one that doesn't appeal to a minority government looking to win votes in the next election."

Two weeks after MacAskill announced his plans last June, Asda warned it could sabotage the crackdown by setting up distribution centres across the border and selling cut-price drink on the internet.

A 10,000-signature petition has been handed in to parliament, objecting to the ban on selling alcohol to under-21s and there is an online campaign to fight the proposals. Retailers are also preparing to take the Scottish Government to court over plans to introduce a minimum pricing policy.

The full article contains 629 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

The Strategist,

25/01/2009 00:23:54
Pity Diageo doesn't sponsor Scottish drivers and Scottish motorsport.
2

Finlang,

Hong Kong 25/01/2009 00:25:52
Well said, Lewis. MacAskill the perennial chump shoots from the hip (or maybe the hip flask) as ever.

People are well hacked off being told by busybody politicians how to live their lives. There is sensible advice (rare) and there is interminable interference (all too often) by smug nobodies who have nothing better to do than count paper clips, and look forward to their next freebie courtesy of the taxpayer who put them in their exalted position in the first place.
3

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 25/01/2009 00:42:52
Lets hear the detailed suggestions from other parties before we slag off the SNP.

Doing nothing is not an option, the SNP are doing something, where previous governments have walked away, and must be given credit for having the backbone to tackle a problem that may not be a vote winner. ( a concept lost upon the drinks companmy spokeswoman)
4

SilverShred,

in the jamjar 25/01/2009 00:44:30

A guy who gets caught driving on public roads at 120 mph, hired to defend alcohol consumption by young numpties. What a role model!
5

John M,

Melbourne, Australia 25/01/2009 01:30:56
The "drink responsibly" message is utterly useless. It goes in one ear and out the other.

Scotland has had hundreds of years to show that it can drink responsibly. It has failed miserably and has paid the price in lives, families, jobs and prosperity.

I suggest tripling the price of spirits, doubling the price of wine and restricting beer to less than 3% alcohol.

Be aware that tt won't take just a few years to change the boozy mentality but a generation or two.
6

Observer,,

Glasgow 25/01/2009 02:10:18
People drink to excess for the same reason they take drugs. They're not happy. All this messing about with various forms of prohibition is a waste of time. Folk will sniff glue or lighter fluid if it comes down to it, if they need to get off their heads. I know I am going to sound like a complete hippy here and apologies in advance, but we need to build a better society, ultimately that is the only thing that will help eliminate drink and other substance abuse.
7

james 1st,

hamilton 25/01/2009 04:35:54
some people will do anything for another buck
8

Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 25/01/2009 05:13:38
Our local Gov. tried to reduce binge drinking by teens and young adults by increasing the price of alco-pop drinks. Needless to say it failed.
We have an anual 'Schoolies' Week' on the Goldcoast and probably other areas as well where the rite of passage to post school is getting wasted and probably seduced/raped. It is a cultural thing and until this type of thinking is removed, it will continue. When I left school 1953, it meant into the workforce quick and lively.
Of course there is the 'Drink Responsibly' messages as well. However, I never heard that qualified or quantified, so in effect the mesage is useless.
9

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25/01/2009 07:04:26
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cabrach loon,

inverness 25/01/2009 08:52:39
This is a loser for SNP. Far better to teach about brain and liver damage to schoolkids rather than try repeating the USA in the Prohibition era / the big stick never works, the UK is surely sick of being treated as kids by the big nanny brother. How can people learn to be responsible if they have no esponsibility. I drank too much when young and nobody told me of the dangers. Now I scarcely drink at all, I only have one liver and at 70 years nobody will give me another. I really am sick of politically correct? knee jerk reactions that are in truth only favoured by perhaps 1-5% of the responsible population affected. It is time for SCots to stand up and n ot be taken for sheep.
Britain is now the FINE nation of the world, just other ways of taxing citizens. Nobody can do anything for fear of health and safety goons who seem to lack judgement as well as brains and live in fear of lawyers and being reprimanded. I have just driven through FRance in the recent tempest but the police and fireman were out cl;earing roads in a mature manner to keep traffic flowing and miimise disruption. In UK the roads would probably have been closed for hours!
11

Spanish jambo,

25/01/2009 08:56:12
Who's this numpty trying to fool? Anyone with half a brain and has seen or heard of the carnage, death, maiming, destruction of lives due to a driver "just having the one" will know that a one drink - no drive mentality if by far the only prevention of this serious issue. I experienced it in the UK and it's also a situation out of control here in Spain by young and older drivers. GET REAL Hamilton and go to the hospitals and you'll see what the effect of self-control drink-driving has on where the rest of us live - THE REAL WORLD!! Any man and his dog can see you're in it for the money as well as trying to enter the dangerous world of politics! Perhaps when you get out of your nappies and mature you can "indirectly" order us young drivers what to do. In the meantime how about listening to what the politicians' plans are AS RECOMMENDED BY VICTIMS AND FAMILIES OF DRINK-DRIVERS, POLICE, PARAMEDICS, ACTUAL DRINK-DRIVERS THEMSELVES and all the other real professional people involved that you're not taking into consideration - not telling you what to do of course ;o)
12

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25/01/2009 08:58:00
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13

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 25/01/2009 09:01:58
I used to support independence but now I'll never even vote SNP again. Time this useless lying government quits.
14

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 25/01/2009 09:11:56
#14 I guess you were just born brainless.

Prohibition in the United States simply started the mafia and black market alcohol. That's what the SNP will deliver in Scotland. Brilliant.

And booze is the easiest thing to make in your garden shed - how are the fun police going to stop all that?
15

Ewan Randall,

25/01/2009 09:22:32
(#16) – It’s life but not as we know it) – Without sounding a little sceptical, why did you vote for the SNP?
16

Nebulous,

Aberdeen 25/01/2009 09:23:03
When young people are drinking their way to terminal liver failure in their 20's it becomes everyone's problem. When Accident and Emergency surgeons are fed-up patching up drink-fuelled facial injuries it becomes everyone's problem. When alcohol fuelled violence makes many town centres a no-go area for most of the population late at night it becomes everyones problem.

The SNP are brave to tackle it. It isn't a populist measure like some of the ones they have taken but it is essential to our future. However I struggle with the under 21 rule. First they should try enforcing the laws they have. Shops are regularly caught selling drink to under 21's without penalty - other than a warning. Why not try prosecuting them first?
17

Harbinger,

Kelly's Bar 25/01/2009 09:33:55
"which is estimated to cost Scotland £2.25bn a year" Estimated by who? Can we see the figures and the methodology please?
18

Ewan Randall,

25/01/2009 09:42:35
(#21) – (Nebulous) – How do you stop those who are legally entitled to buy alcohol doing so for those who are not?
19

Scythia,

25/01/2009 09:47:58
Typical of the Left mindset : First they completely devalue the institution of marriage, erode family and Christian values, the community and social cohesion , drive out manufacturing and undercut the workers with foreigners , dumb down a once mighty education system, then they wonder why so many are drinking themselves to an early grave, and proclaim we need to build a "build a better society". You couldn't make it up !


20

Ewan Randall,

25/01/2009 09:50:47
(#22) – (Harbinger) – Do you doubt there could be an estimated figure?

Wouldn’t you think police and medical costs might have something to do with the figures?
21

WKKB,

25/01/2009 10:00:45
My father in law was a drinker... he's dead notw, he died of complications due to his alcoholism.

He & My mother in law had carefully purchased properties that were to supliment their retirement. The family business was a restaurant (a couple of them in fact). It wasn't long after he started drinking that all of this was gone. When he began to drink he also began to gamble. The drink made him more 'brave' at the gambling tables but certainly not more smart. It's all gone now and my mother in law is left in a wee flat with nothing to show for her hard work.

Heros and superstars may be of some use but as long as there are 2 for 1's people will buy twice as much... I agree with a suggestion that was put forward some time ago about getting the booze out of the entries of the supermarkets. Get rid of the so low sales prices that everyone, including kids, can afford to purchase. Stop the 2 for 1 sales. Make it more difficult for less responsible people to purchase it.

I read a study a few months ago that stated there are more lives destroyed by the effects of alcoholism than cancer or heart disease. It didn't say more alcohol deaths... it said that entire families are destroyed by it's effects, meaning child abuse, spousal abuse, gambling and loss of property, loss of jobs... and so on.

If the government doesn't get involved it's going to take much much longer for this country to see the evils of drinking... as posted above, Scotland has had plenty of time but the drinking problem has just gotten worse.

So, in my opinion it's fine for heros and superstars to put their names and faces out there but why not put the money they're being paid to do it right back into the fight rather than in their bank accounts. I'm sure that's a nice little sum... would they do it for nothing? AND... allow some of the government ideas to be implemented... Pubs and shops should feel the pinch of paying for irresponsible drinkers, afterall... they're the ones selling
22

WKKB,

25/01/2009 10:06:05
Another problem resulting from alcoholism is the waiting time to see a Dr in the A&E.

In the hospital where I work the A&E is filled to capacity nearly every night with REAL emergencies but beds are often filled with drunks sleeping it off with a bump on the head. Friday and Saturday night the police don't have anymore room so they bring them into the Hospital.

Next time you have to wait in the A&E think about how many drunks are causing your wait.
23

Ewan Randall,

25/01/2009 10:10:16
(#24) – (Scythia) – What is your definition of “the Left mindset”?

Who exactly devalued the institution of marriage?

What are the family and Christian values that were eroded?

How do you erode community and social cohesion?

How do you drive out manufacturing if it is cost effective?

With a minimum wage how do you legally under cut that?

What do you believe has dumbed down “a once mighty education system”?
24

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 25/01/2009 10:41:33
I just can't believe the idiots posting here today. You simply cannot ban alcohol. Live with it. Any numptie can get some sugar, potatoes or barley or apples and some yeast and make gallons of the stuff in a few days. How do you ban that, fun police?
25

Caora Dubh,

Pedestrian blood alcohol limit required 25/01/2009 10:43:26
The Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill has got it wrong. We cannot ask young people to kill themselves in our military forces, and then stop them buying drinks in shops. That is an appalling insult - sending young people to defend rights which are denied to them. To demand that publicans pay a "social damage" tax for trouble in hotspots is stupid. The drunks responsible could have come from anywhere, and there are some pubs that draw well-behaved customers, but which would be classified as being in hotspots. Why should they cough up? My preferred solution is to have a legal limit for blood alcohol outside licensed premises for PEDESTRIANS - after all, they also create havoc when drunk. The limit is open to medical opinion, but I guess the pedestrian limit should be roughly 2 to 3 times the driving limit. Police should be allowed to breathalyse pedestrians on suspicion of exceeding the limit, and fine them enough to pay for a special police taxi service to take them directly home, or failing this, to a lock-up where they can sober up. In other words, merely exceeding the legal limit will be a crime. I remember seeing two incidents in London where cars had to swerve violently onto pavements to avoid drunks - so the new law would be fully justified.
26

Toast,

25/01/2009 10:56:34
Booze and cigarettes should only be sold in stores specifically for that purpose,take your tesco and asda out of the equation,everybody would have to produce ID and prices could be sensibly controlled.
27

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 25/01/2009 11:11:36
#33 So I will have to show an ID to buy sugar, yeast and potatoes or apples as well? That's daft.
28

A Crofter,

Weshtern Islesh 25/01/2009 11:24:53
Just imagine the uproar if Afghani poppy growers or Bolivian coca producers had hired a role model like Hamilton to promote their produce!

Diageo are pushers of a drug which kills 40,000 people annually in the UK alone. That's on top of all the other well-catalogued social problems.

"Responsible" drinking is a self-contradiction for most folk - once they start, they don't stop until they fall over.

After a few drams, journalists on the Hoochmon can't even spell "booze"!
29

SwissToni,

A Neutral Corner 25/01/2009 11:32:24
It is time that legal drug pushers (e.g. Diageo) are seen in their true light

As Scotland knows to it's cost, alcohol is a highly addictive and damaging DRUG - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/drugs/

"The Drinks Industry" is just another player in the drugs market. Their ultimate interest will always be profit. If they cannot see the highly fortunate and responsible position that they hold in society and start acting accordingly then perhaps it is time that the public reviewed these privelages
30

livilion,

livingston 25/01/2009 12:07:12
Deary me, does the Scotsman even have sub editors any more?

Boost = Booze?

31

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 25/01/2009 12:15:47
I have a simple message for the tea totallers: Get stuffed and take your sanctimonious claptrap back to your empty Sunday morning pews.
32

livilion,

livingston 25/01/2009 12:33:56
#37 SwissToni,A Neutral? Corner

So are we to understand that your policy would be to introduce Prohibition in Scotland?

I think that you will find this has been tried elsewhere, with the result being the establishment of industrial scale organised crime.

Personally I believe outlawing drink for teenagers will only push them into the arms of the underworld. Experiments with making booze harder to obtain simply makes it more desirable and also promotes drug taking instead.
Drugs keep kids off the streets and out of sight, but I question if the end results are worth it.

Continental Europe does not have our issues with teenage rowdyism inspite of a far more relaxed attitude to alcohol.

Tell a kid that certain behaviour, such as drinking, is only for 'grown ups' and what do you expect the reaction is going to be?

The first step surely must be a 'grown up' attitude to drink and drugs from adults in order to set the example for our youngsters to follow.ie What kind of message are we sending when we fondly recount extreme nights out 'on the lash'?
33

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 25/01/2009 12:35:16
Wouldn't it be cheaper to simply enforce the existing laws instead of introducing yet more truckloads of idealistic unworkable drivel?
34

SwissToni,

A Neutral Corner 25/01/2009 12:50:39
#40

At no point have I suggested "prohibition"

I will again refer to the link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/drugs/

My point is that I accept there is a place for "drugs" in our society but that any "policy" needs to have a scientific basis. Once we get to this point without having the drug pushers being able to manipulate the market (e.g. young role models endorsing their products, mass advertising etc.), then we might have meaningful discussion and a way forward
35

Spanish jambo,

25/01/2009 12:55:31
#19 "I guess you were just born brainless."

That's just it, you're guessing. Clearly demonstrates an example of an ignorant comment. You choose to personally insult soemone instead of their comments.

#18 No, I didn't have a problem personally - thank god - but many others around me did, paying with their health and lives not to mention the violence that went with it. Still, maybe if measures are taken and heavy drinkers see sense our culture may be able to get it under control, right?
36

livilion,

livingston 25/01/2009 12:56:46
32 Caora Dubh,
I think if you consider the issues more closely: it is not pubs hotels and restaurants where antisocial drinking behavior is the issue.

These establishments promote social behaviour both from staff and their customers setting good examples on how to behave in company.

Isn't it the kids in the backcourts and dark alleys and bushes taking mind altering substances and high enough already on testosterone and jangling hormones without suffient experience to handle them, or the supervision of more responsible role models, who are the problem?

Wouldn't it be far more desirable that we set our kids positive examples in our behaviour and invite them into pubs and restaurants with us, to remove the mystique surrounding drinking, and provide them with positive experiences equipping them better for adulthood?
37

Gie's a break,

Edinburgh 25/01/2009 13:04:05
Difficult to be disappointed in Master Hamilton when he is still so young and obviously has a lot ogf growing up in front of him before he becomes a responsible adult.

This however is not the case when discussing the selfish profit driven Executives at Diageo who have enlisted his help. They have quite clearly put profits before lives.

I know I for one will avoid purchasing their products.
38

Spanish jambo,

25/01/2009 13:09:57
#44 Totally agree. much more beneficial for all concerned to be integrated in a socialiing society.
Good post.
39

Gie's a break,

Edinburgh 25/01/2009 13:10:14
41 Agreed.

Mr Hamilton's obvious skills, abilities and achievements could be put to much better use. Surely by linking the strength of character, focus and integrity, as displayed by Mr Hamilton to become World Champion, to drinking sensibly and respecting others would be a much more positive campaign.
40

livilion,

livingston 25/01/2009 13:14:35
42 SwissToni,

How comfy is that fence you are sitting on?
You state achohol is a drug, fair enough what isn't?,"alcohol is a highly addictive and damaging DRUG" and that publicans and retailers are drug pushers.
There we part company, where I live publicans will not take a baseball bat to you if you can't pay for your drink. Your inference is that you would either want to legalise drugs or impose prohibition.

At home I have a fridge well stocked with beer and lager, and a collection of several dozen malt whiskys in a rack above it.
I rarely ever get drunk or make a nuisance of myself with my neighbours, I remain unaddicted and in good health, having only called the doctor once or twice in the last thirty years, and you know what, I don't think I am particularly unusual in my habits?
41

SwissToni,

A Neutral Corner 25/01/2009 13:22:31
#48

The number speak for themeselves - from where I'm sitting, we have a huge problem with alcohol in society (but maybe you don't see this?)

Get some data, apply some science and we might find a susstainable way forward for all
42

DeniseX,

25/01/2009 13:22:43
Well said Lewis. We are fed up with restrictions and bans.
43

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 25/01/2009 13:26:29
#51 Well said. Like alcohol I want no bans, no limits and nothing to restrict boxing or Formula 1. It will all be much more exciting when the gloves are off.
44

DeniseX,

25/01/2009 13:28:20
They'll be wanting to ban motor racing next, as it could be dangerous.
45

Gie's a break,

Edinburgh 25/01/2009 13:28:50
Nobody is saying you can't drink and nobody is saying you can't drive.

Point is don't do both at the same time. Is that such a hardship?

Surely you'd feel better getting a taxi home, and not endangering the lives of others, to inadvertently harming another human being!
46

livilion,

livingston 25/01/2009 13:36:27
50 SwissToni,
Science and 'data' are highly subjective, might I suggest, if you haven't already grasped it, the application of a healthy dose of common sense?

eg Kids on drugs are must less visible and rowdy than on drink, exept that they will quietly break into your house or shoot someone to feed their habit. You decide.

see my post @44

47

badger464,

25/01/2009 14:09:05
everyone should stop drinking for a week, i bet that would put the wind up the tax collectors
48

Listen Ear,

25/01/2009 15:16:38
Two of My Aunts, My Mother, one of My Brothers, Three of my Cousins have died directly or indirectly as a result of Alcohol Abuse. One of my brothers has a drink problem and we havn't seen him for 7 years. I know many more people that were killed when they were drinking and driving of by a drunk driver.

Turning People into Alcoholics by selling cheep Booze in the Supermarket is as good as Poisoning People.
49

e-sterka,

25/01/2009 15:34:25
o--,---,-----

The best meat...
50

e-sterka,

25/01/2009 15:47:11
I am sorry!

Why are you so oversensitive?
And why Do you read my posts before sending?

It was just test.

I am diviner. Did you know it? I can feel more than other people. And that was a test, if I feel you. Without your answer. The answer is just confirmation.
Yes. I can feel you. I can feel your feelings.
51

e-sterka,

25/01/2009 15:47:37
Really!
52

e-sterka,

25/01/2009 16:05:04
If you can feel more, it means you know more.
Sometimes it is perfect and sometimes not. Mostly not....
It is something like wireless connection...

Don´t be angry with me.
53

e-sterka,

25/01/2009 16:06:36
PLS remove the beast. I am not fighting!
54

e-sterka,

25/01/2009 16:11:29
I am glad I met you, mate.

J.

Really
55

Susan Caroline Periano,

Pottstown 25/01/2009 16:13:21
When alcoholism affects young people,then the government must step in to restrict access. It is a disease that is killing and or crippling our youth. For the government to take drastic action signals that the situation is out of control. I applaud the government for taking such bold measures. Though not popular, it is absolutely necessary. Kudos to the SNP.
56

e-sterka,

25/01/2009 16:15:19
Did you read it ahead? Everything?
I hope so!
57

notanactivist,

25/01/2009 16:35:47
#3 - Actually doing nothing is an option.

How about the idea that we should respect the Scottish people's ability to make up their own minds about drink, accepting what they are and dealing with any consequences that arrise as a result?

& #66 Most young people who drink are not alcoholics, just as most middle-aged and old people who drink are not alcoholics. Why should those of us who can control our indulgences have our fun restricted because of the weak wills of a (very) small minority of drinkers?
58

e-sterka,

25/01/2009 16:54:00
What does it mean (very) small?
Does it mean - he can stand? Or sit :-)

My little beatles are here. It means - see you later!
59

Catharine,

winnipeg 25/01/2009 16:57:25
You can get married at 16, vote at 18, be sent off to Afghanistan to die in some godforsaken poppy field, but can't have a beer? Something very wrong there. When will people learn that you cannot legislate against stupidity! The drinking age in most of the USA is 21 and guess what? Still the morons drink too much, drive drunk, die of alcoholism, kill people in drunken rages or with their vehicles... It's not the age, it's being smart enough to take responsibility for your own actions. You'll have more luck getting it through people's heads that drinking and driving is STUPID, that getting so drunk you have no memory of the asinine things you did is MORONIC and definitely NOT COOL than worrying about the difference between the maturity level of an 18 v 21 year old.
60

SwissToni,

A Neutral Corner 25/01/2009 17:03:37
#50

I have noted all you have said

You clearly have not referenced the link I posted earlier and if you do not trust the best independent evidence available then this dialogue becomes pointless

Collective wisdom is that alcohol = Class A drug yet we still have this perception that alcohol and drugs are separate categories. So please, no more emotional knee-jerk, comment. I would again suggest that sticking to testable evidence is the best way forward and the only way to gain an un-biased perspective. Otherwise, we only playing at it
61

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 25/01/2009 17:26:51
#71 "dialogue". Go look the word up. It generally involves more than one person's monologue.
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SwissToni,

A Neutral Corner 25/01/2009 17:37:00
#72

"Dia" as in two i.e. two people expressing their point od view. BTW, thanks for you contribution to the discussion - trully profound!!
63

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 25/01/2009 17:45:45
#73 You are very boring but I will sum up anyway: alcohol was prohibited in the United States. It created the mafia - a scourge to this day. It stopped ZERO people from accessing alcohol.

And please explain how you will ban me from buying sugar, apples and yeast and brewing it in my shed?
64

haud on a mo!,

Dundee 25/01/2009 17:54:01
#59
here's some information you may find educational, in fact it may be a bit of an eyeopener to those in favor of this new invasion of our personal habits....
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/controversies/1080240738.html
http://www.beerandpub.com/documents/publications/news/NR%200508%20-%20pub%20numbers.pdf
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Joe90,

25/01/2009 18:01:11
I wonder how much Diageo are paying young Mr Hamilton for his endorsement? I shall be happy to say anything on their behalf for a similar fee. I recognise Mr Hamilton's skills as a F1 driver and the fact that he is the youngest F1 champion ever, but an expert on drinking - hardly. It's all for the money!

It seems to me that the problem does not concern the occasional binge by normally responsible young persons (over the legal age limit for the purchase and consumption of alcohol) but the purchase of and the supply of alcohol to children under the legal age. Surely any steps to stop this practice are welcome. The younger a child starts to drink, the more he, or she, is likely to become an alcoholic. Moreover, there should be zero tolerance to those who choose to drink and drive. The limit should be reduced to NO alcohol if you are driving. In Finland, when a group of people go out for an eveing, they use either taxis or there is a delegated driver who simply refrains from driving. They take turns to be this person, so in the long run, no-one loses out. Tis is responsible drinking and this is in a society where, when a bottle is opened, the cork is thrown away!


#32 I think that the SNP have made it quite clear that in an independent Scotland, all Scotland's troops would be withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan. It is not they who send young soldiers off to foreign countries to die.
66

Joe90,

25/01/2009 18:03:21
Sorry - that should read 'refrains from drinking'!
67

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 25/01/2009 18:34:15
If the Scottish Nasty Party succeeds in this wicked scheme then we should all brew home drink and dole it out for free. To legal aged drinkers of course ;-)
68

SwissToni,

A Neutral Corner 25/01/2009 19:04:17
#

Thanks for the summation (albeit simplistic)

We are both agreed that prohibition doesn't work but you really haven't picked up on the point i.e. ALL drugs should be available to adults who have freedom of choice and some basis to make that decision. Give people the facts (according to current wisdom) and then start to talk. We are not at that point yet

This is the point that The Drinks Industry do not want to get to. Imagine them sitting round the table of a public debate which seeks to legally re-classify recreational drugs and provide the public with informed guidlines. Just joined up thinking really....
69

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 25/01/2009 19:58:52
What a pathetic english IDIOT. Roll on INDEPENDENCE so we do not have to put up with stories like this.
70

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/01/2009 20:06:28
I reckon this is a clever marketing ploy by Diageo. Associating drinking and driving was always going to be tricky unless you got a related personality to front a disguised advertising campaign.

Bear in mind that Westminster is considering similar legislation for England (they wouldn't have got Hamilton for a Scotland only venture, would they?).

T o s s (how's that word unsuitable - what do you do with your caber?) the Johnston Press into the messengering of the thing and you have the above story as an anti-SNP piece of propaganda complete with the postings to boost ratings.

71

Age of Reason,

Aberdeen 25/01/2009 20:13:01
Would this be the same Diageo as inherited the responsibly managed Distillers Co business after Guinness and lying Saunders fraudulently took the company over?
Perhaps they should be investing in their cure for Alzheimers, now that the 'writing is on the wall' for excess profiteering on alcohol?
72

Age of Reason,

Aberdeen 25/01/2009 20:20:20
#41Jekyll Spot On
We have a great legal system in Scotland, all we have to do is use it and support the police, hospital workers and responsible offlicencees.
In the 'good old days' the licensee had his name above his street door, and could be held to account (ie lose his livelihood) if offences were associated with his business.
Further, I believe it was agreed and enforced that alcohol not be sold premixed above 2%v/v alcohol, and in distinctive bottles not confusable with soft drinks. The problems seem to be associated with the demise of these old practical controls?
73

Yacker,

Barrhead 25/01/2009 21:28:28
So Lewis says "No-one likes to be told what to do." Does he mean that he isn't given instructions about race strategy? Don't think so! Anyone in employment is told what to do on the basis of 'He who pays the piper calls the tune.'
Lewis Hamilton is correct in what he says, but most of us have to do what we are told if we want to stay in a job - that's the reality.
74

krusty the klown,

25/01/2009 22:17:55
I wonder if this is the first time a 'government' in scotland has suggested doing something about the chronic alcohol abuse that goes on? nobody thought about this before? - I mean, when they kicked the fags into touch what were they thinking of next??
75

john z,

edinburgh 25/01/2009 23:36:25
That'll be the Englishman who lives in England, Lewis Hamilton, who is sponsored by Johnie Walker Scotch Whisky (Diageo). Oh, THAT Lewis Hamilton.

Talk about vested interests.

Point is, for years the drink industry in Scotland have had their chances, and DID NOT TAKE THEM. So now, fortunately the Scottish Government intends to act.

I do not agree with all the details of the Governments plans, but at least they are prepared to take action, and do something about the Drink problem in Scotland.

Perhaps the Englishman, Lewis Hamilton has been VERY poorly advised on this.

I guess Lewis Hamilton will have spent time finding out first hand about the many, many families whose lives are blighted by alcohol in Scotland before speaking. I'm sure he did that. Didn't he?????

All this squealing by the drink industry, and their 'stooges' is oh so similar to the queals we heard from the cigarette industry when the very successful smoking ban was introduced in Scotland.
76

e-sterka,

26/01/2009 00:15:35
Hi Scotty

now - today is tomorrow. So what do you recommend me?
What is the best solution? You, mate, you surely advise me...

Shall I win?
77

e-sterka,

26/01/2009 00:20:07
Have you said ´YES´?
78

livilion,

livingston 26/01/2009 00:45:15
66 Susan Caroline Periano
Babies can't eat steak, should we also ban steak?
79

e-sterka,

26/01/2009 00:54:08
I don´t think so. And - I like steaks...

But
I have to discuss the matter with Cody, first. He´s still my boss... ;-)
I hope he won´t be angry... Please don´t tell him...
Me first!
80

e-sterka,

26/01/2009 00:55:45
He was rather strange boss, but he was (and is) my friend...
81

e-sterka,

26/01/2009 01:01:26
Several weeks ago I thought he is your good friend too.
Today I don´t know...
82

e-sterka,

26/01/2009 01:04:28
Is he your friend?
83

e-sterka,

26/01/2009 01:18:28
I didn´t say anything wrong. I didn´t say I want to face about. I just said he is my friend. Is that wrong?
I think you surely know my ´resolution´. Or not?
Didn´t I tell yet? I thought I did.
84

Al's maw,

in yer heid 30/01/2009 14:38:07
comment # 6. Observer.

dude, hippies take drugs, lots a' them. are ye saying that hippies aren't happy??? cos ye said that people take drugs cos they ain't happy. an' ye said ye was a hippy.

hehehehe....
peace out emo kid.

85

Al's maw,

in yer heid 30/01/2009 14:39:27
aren't ye happy Observer???

hehehehehe...wwoooohoooo...chill.
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lord nelson,

USA 31/01/2009 13:33:18
We tried that here, just say no, that didn't work, hippies turned into stock brokers and you see what happened, now they have a front man to tell us how much to drink, at a price too. He needs to be like Tiger and Phil and stay out of politics.If he needs a cause, find out what happened to the Marlboro man, now thats a spokesman.
87

Munguin,

15/02/2009 12:11:01
Lewis Hamilton is paid by a drinks company to promote sensible dinking, whats that then? Just enough to enable you to drive home?

It's bad enough that we have Scottish tax exiles telling us what to do but do we relly need an English one as well? He wants to collect up his money and whizz off back to the gnomes of Zurich with it. I am sure where he lives there is no perennial problem with booze or at least if there is he wont see it from within his gated village!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/08/2009 12:52:53
Does Lewis Hamilton have a conflict of interests over this? I would think so.

 

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