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Health crisis facing elderly drinkers doctors call Saga louts



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Published Date:
26 August 2007
BUS pass, pension, gold watch... and the comfy chair at Alcoholics Anonymous.
A new breed of Saga louts - retired people who drink too much - has been identified by a top psychiatrist, who claims they are second only to twenty-somethings in their appetite for alcohol.

Dr Peter Rice says the typical Saga lout is retired, ac
quired a taste for drinking at home as alcohol prices dropped in the 1970s and 1980s, and is well off enough to enjoy regular evenings knocking back their favourite wines and beers.

Rice, a consultant psychiatrist based at Sunnyside Royal Hospital, Montrose, is concerned by the growing number of elderly binge drinkers on his patient list.

Rice is so concerned he has flagged up the problem to a Scottish Parliament think-tank, Scotland's Futures Forum, which is investigating ways to reduce alcohol and drug misuse.

Recent figures obtained by Scotland on Sunday reveal that in 2001/2 the number of people over the age of 60 admitted to Scottish hospitals with an alcohol-related illness was 8,500. This rose to 10,573 in 2005/6. But the trend among youngsters is down, with 1,733 teenagers aged 15 to 19 admitted in 2001/2, compared with 1,462 in 2005/6.

Rice said: "Older people's drinking has not had the same public awareness as young people's drinking. The trend in young people seems to be improving slightly, but in older people the numbers being admitted to hospital with alcohol-related illnesses are increasing. This is just the tip of one big iceberg and the situation seems to be worsening. The term I have used to capture the issue is 'Saga louts'."

He added: "These are really important and consistent trends. In older people this will be a group of people whose drinking began 30 years ago when alcohol consumption was starting to increase, and that drinking generation is feeding through.

"But it's not just that. People are actually increasing their drinking between the age of 60 and 65. We are seeing a big move from the pub to off-sales drinking in Scotland. I think it is driven largely by the fact that the relative price of alcohol off-sales has fallen dramatically," he said.

"It's a bottle of wine, or beer or spirits at home in the evening, but consumption above the recommended weekly levels of no more than 21 units for men and 14 units for women a week."

Rice added: "With older people there are health complications to the liver and pancreas, memory failure or impact on relationships with their family and friends or money problems.

"We need to put up the price of alcohol, as the falling cost is a major driver in Scotland's worsening health record. We are paying a price for cheap alcohol."

Experts blame a number of factors for high levels of drinking among the elderly.

The current generation of pensioners grew up as drinking became more socially acceptable and are more likely to be drinkers than their predecessors. They have a higher level of disposable income and access to relatively cheaper alcohol because of cut-price supermarket deals. Other factors blamed for excessive alcohol consumption among the elderly include retirement and decreased social activity, isolation, illness, insomnia and pain.

However, they are less tolerant of alcohol than younger people because of physical changes to the body through the ageing process.

A spokesman for Age Concern Scotland said: "People associate binge-drinking with young people and nightclub culture, but politicians and health professionals need to take a step back to look at the bigger picture.

"I think there is probably a correlation between excessive drinking beyond pension age and the circumstances that many older people find themselves in, with fewer friends, loneliness and relatively low levels of income. It does not surprise us that this is a growing mental health problem."

Jim Ferguson, a 67-year-old retired technical manager and Help the Aged campaigner from Perth, said his drinking habits are totally different from those of his parents and grandparents.

He drinks a glass or two of red wine or a pint of super-strength lager most days and is a member of a wine club.

"I don't think I drink to excess, but my own parents only drank at Christmas and on holidays," he said. "Alcohol is much cheaper now and supermarkets have made it more affordable.

"But the effects are more pronounced when you are older and I cannot drink as much as I did when I was younger. After a couple of glasses I begin to feel it."

Still game for a tipple - it's part of family life


Ellen and Huw Oakley, both retired teachers, enjoy wine and spirits each week and consider their drinking to be a normal part of family life.

Ellen, 66, who was born in Lesmahagow, South Lanarkshire and now lives in Sussex, says she and her husband drink more alcohol mid-week since their retirement. A glass of wine with meals, a sherry before Sunday lunch and a whisky in the evenings is simply a normal part of their weekly routine.

She said: "We are likely to have alcohol three times a week, usually with a meal at home. When I was growing up we would never have wine in the house and the only time I remember drink being taken was New Year. I hardly knew it existed. But now there has been a change in our drinking culture and there is a different attitude to women drinking.

"I think more people drink in retirement, particularly if they become widowed, and it can be a problem if they don't go out and are drinking at home."

Her 67-year-old husband, a member of a wine club, added that they are often tempted by supermarket offers, but he was unlikely to drink more than a couple of glasses in one evening.

He said:

"I have grown up with alcohol as a normal feature of family life so it was never off limits to me.

"However, I don't have the capacity for drinking too much. It's not that we have wine at every single meal."



The full article contains 1036 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 25 August 2007 6:45 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Alcohol & binge drinking
 
1

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 26/08/2007 00:27:55

not much of a problem ............ Solyent Green was a warning :-)

2

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 26/08/2007 00:28:34

PS I don' t agree with it but I have no power :-)

3

doublescotch,

U.S.A. 26/08/2007 01:25:04

That Rice is just a spoilsport, we are drinking our childrens inheritance:)

4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/08/2007 01:30:02

OH Please leave the old folk alone!!, they enjoy the Malt, whatever in the evening before bed, they don't cause 'street-rage' or get into fights, they don't need the 999 service in all hours of the morning to get hospital treatment, because a 'pint-glass' has been stuck in their face, do they?
The elderly may like a 'tipple' and that makes them fun!
Quote "The trend in young people seems to be improving slightly"
BUG**R-OFF you KNOW that's not TRUE!
At 60+ yes maybe they are destroying the health they have left and die before they are 104, whats the problem?
They have worked, brought family's into our world, paid taxes, they are content, they have lived life and enjoy whats left to enjoy and to relax on, Sooo WHAT, if its half-a-bottle-a-night? their not the ones to go out 'street-fighting' are they?
LEAVE OUR OLD FOLK ALONE!! they DONT need told how to lead their life's, for them its past and gone, the majority don't ask for anything and DONT intrude on anyone, its their choice, 'Been-there-got-the-T-shirt'
Two things that make me mad, is one, telling a Mother how to bring a Baby into-this-world, two, telling the elderly how to lead their life's!

5

Pictus,

Windy Poplarsh 26/08/2007 01:36:49

Why "shaga"; shorry, "saga"? Did Rice ask some old lady why she drank so much, and she replied, "It'sh a long Shtory"?

6

Angus Lindsay,

Hong Kong 26/08/2007 01:51:11

#4. Charles Linskaill

Entirely agree. There is always another self-proclaimed "expert" on this or that subject ready to dictate his know-all views to the public at large.

Dr Peter Rice says, "The term I have used to capture the issue is 'Saga louts'." Oh, how clever. That is a cheap insult to the bona fide leisure company known as Saga and shows up the doctor to be a holier-than-thou purveyor of scare tactics, the likes of which pollute the pages of the daily press.

Example: red wine is good for you - counter: oh no it's not if you exceed a nanny state prescribed weekly unit intake ... and so boringly on.

What a depressing scenario. People, as you say, Charles L, work a lifetime and are pefectly entitled to enjoy themselves (sensibly) free from the diktat of would-be medics-as-gods like Dr Smart@rse Rice. To him, in Sunnyside, not a million miles from my birthplace, I say: get a life.

7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/08/2007 01:52:40

Finally, DONT-YOU-DARE call them, 'Saga louts' because they are NOT!!
LOOK IN YOUR OWN SHOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8

doublescotch,

U.S.A 26/08/2007 01:58:28

#5 Could be someone broke her heart:(

9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/08/2007 02:15:21

#8 doublescotch, that's my point! the old folk have loads to tell us, and are quite entertaining at times, they give us knowledge and very interesting stories from 'time-past', they can be our teachers at times.
We should respect what way they want to live their lifes and take it on-board if its maybe bad for their health, they are not going to change their life style at 60+ on our say-so.

10

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 26/08/2007 02:36:21

Psychiatrists are the Mr Bigs in the drug-pushing biz. totally in thrall to Big Pharma. They know the Police won't go near them, and neither do the general public if they can avoid them. What gives this man authority? for their knowledge of how the brain and mind works is totally outdated and discredited by serious scientists.

They have a habit of denying any treatments known for sure to work: like LSD for chronic alcoholics, or cannabis for many nervous disorders. The plant that is not the dirty resin sold in UK streets that could be horse tranquiliser or sump oil for all you know. It'll give you a headache anyway. That a drug might give pleasure to a patient is all wrong to them; they prefer pills that poison or at least stupify. The history of 20th psychiatry deserves a black museum. They deny this too and revile any of their own that break rank and tell it like it is.

IMO contemporary phychiatry is the disease of modern society and another example of our money for nothing culture.

11

Parking Permit,

Edinburgh 26/08/2007 03:11:51

Just another Dr in search of publicity and grant funding. Unfortunately he'll probably get it as the Antis need all the help they can get to keep themselves in a job.
It was inevitable that after the smoking ban the Antis would go for alcohol. Puritan Britain is fast becoming a reality.

12

doublescotch,

U.S.A 26/08/2007 06:27:33

#9 Yes we do, we have tons to tell. I am going towards 60 almost there and have great fun. I travel! dance, take water aerobics. You name it I've done it. Drove up Pike's Peak that was a little scary. Be like Aunt Mame Live ! Live! Live! I like a nightcap too:)

13

Boy Wonder,

26/08/2007 07:27:23

I see the reverse. Most older people I know barely touch alcohol except for birthdays, Christmas, New Year and the odd occassional sip! They don't even indulge in (shivers) "a touch of houghmagandie?"

Is it that I know proper old people who know their place is to go and wait in a corner (occassionally whingeing once in a while) to wait for Faither Time to come and collect them?? Is this how old age should be??

14

Mcsnagpile,

S.E.A 26/08/2007 08:11:15

More utter ignorance. The point is that many old people are socially isolated and reach for the bottle for consolation. Put up the price of alcohol so it cannot be used as a psychiatric drug—maybe we should put up the price of other medicines to see if it cures disease.
The insurance companies should give the aged free alcohol in the hope they will not live too long hence solve their pensions black hole. After all they think we are already living too long.
Old persons with all this time on their hands,-why do they not make their own? I always have a five gallon drum on the bubble. 20 pence a bottle.

15

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 26/08/2007 08:20:27

#11 - that's exactly the response I was going to offer Charles Linskaill and Angus Lindsay. No 'researcher' ever got his next grant out of the public trough or the drugs industry by concluding that 'everything's fine'. They've either to keep inventing new 'problems' to research or go and find a real job.
How many 50/60+ somethings do you see running amok in city centres, wallowing in their own vomit or fighting in A & Es. (ER's for transatlantic readers)?
There will always be hopeless alky's, but most of us enjoy quality over quantity.

16

donald,

weegieland 26/08/2007 09:12:11

So that's what happend to Lord Fooks' mooth.

17

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 26/08/2007 09:52:18

They are legion in this derk & drubblie land: those who aye thirst to raise the price of anything or activity A they don't do themselves; B they disaprove of.

In this mode we should put up the price of televisions as our ned culture watch too much of the constant soft porm, misogeny and violence and gangsta culture of east enders. Samon caging is anathema to me. Bann it alltogether or tax at least till is costs the same as caviar. And put a tax on that too.

People are using alcohol as a drug - a disgrace - to feel happy or even relaxed after a hards days work at the OK boatyard. Eftsooms (I know my Coleridge tho prefer Mr Sam L. Hopkins who at least never comes cheap), alcohol can be used to clean stains on their business suits or carpets thus putting the private sector into liquidation ....

Mountain bikes and SUVs or both together are similarly far too numerous and no-one should own a monster jeep and less they can show to the inspectorate a genuine piece of off-road dirt on it. In anycase Paisley Police will blow it up free of charge especially if you were visiting your mother at the hospital at the time.

Thus the fight against terrorism, tourism, and life in general goes on and on and on ...

18

Spanish Scot,

Spain 26/08/2007 10:50:51

Thank goodness, now I know why all the adverts on the Scotsman webpage are in German - they aren't really - I'm just drining too much!!!!

19

Spanish Scot,

Spain 26/08/2007 10:51:13

or even drinking!

20

loosehead,

embra 26/08/2007 11:48:30

This Doctor Rice obviously knows as much about Saga as I know about doctoring , i.e. damn nothing. Anyway, what is the Japanese grog called sake made from? Rice.

21

mr angry,

ayrshire 26/08/2007 13:24:47

What a bunch of killjoys, nothing wrong with a good drink every day.
Certainly not having some halfwit tell me what is good for me considering the amount of pollution elsewhere, at least if you kill yourself through drink you will have enjoyed yourself, unlike a lingering one with all the crap in food, atmosphere , etc.
Get a life you supposed experts, pi** off.

22

Pictus,

Rainbow Valley 26/08/2007 13:30:33

I hope young Rice gets his comeuppance in thirty years or so. To call any elderly person a "lout" is unforgiveable. And does he know what a "saga" is? Does he know anything?
I'm with Doublescotch on this, in spirit(s), anyway!

23

Geomac,

Scotland 26/08/2007 13:33:37

Have these busybodies nothing better to do? And does the SoS not have anything more worthy to report on?
Additionally, when you do report on a subject, please don't make selective use of statistics to emphasise the point you are trying to make! There are many, many more people over the age of 60 in Scotland that there are 15-19 year old teenagers so you comparison of numbers affected by alcohol are totally misleading. I would even venture to suggest that if you were to calculate the percentage of those over 60 affected and compare this with the percentage of 15-19 year olds, you would find the higher percentage applied to the teenagers!!
One final, but highly important, point is that you seldom get over 60s causing mayhem as a consequence of alcohol consumption but this is certainly NOT the case with teenagers!!!!
I'm off to have a couple of glasses of nice red wine.

24

Bystander,

Edinburgh 26/08/2007 19:26:11

Dr Rice,obviously hasn't anything better to do.I think he needs his head examined!

25

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/08/2007 20:08:43

#26, Naa, he needs a good 'Tipple'

26

Eve,

Scotland 26/08/2007 22:13:33

Intersting point, about the alochol and OAP's. Alchol can be adictive to some and can alter the moods of many.

Though the most intersting part in this story is that the OAPs don't seem to realise when they mention that they can't drink much more than a couple of drinks, that the stregth of aloholic drinks such as wine, beers & Lagers have all went up in the %'s over the past few years. So much so that some pints of Beer or Lager are now 4-5units (instead of 2units, when they were youger) Bottels of wine can hold (75cl) about 8 units.

You also get biggers glasses these days for wine, Pubs and restrunts are always trying to give you large ones and in the house most people make larger ones.

It's well knowen though complicated to achive, in how to interact with youths to incourage them to to become more sociable because their dirnking is when in the street is seen as unsoisable.

Though with older people who have retired, this is more difficult unless, there is some way of getting them interstead in gardening or baking etc.

27

Angus Lindsay,

Hong Kong 26/08/2007 22:15:05

Dr Sagalout Rice is a psychiatrist at Sunnyside Hospital, Hillside, near Montrose. Sunnyside is a psychiatric hospital. Just the place for him to pontificate, don't you think? No offence to the patients in there for reasons beyond their comprehension.

As others have said above, Rice is merely trying to make a name for himself (and grants are freely available to bigmouths like him), but he ends up with egg on his face for his stupid puerile comments. And The Scotsman really needs to get a grip with its sensational headlining and reporting this kind of twaddle which is aired almost weekly. This is not a ground-breaking medical discovery, Dr Twit.

The doctor-as-god syndrome is only believed nowadays by those who propound it via their tedious, pompous,
empty "revelations".

In this instance the oracle Rice makes a poor and insolent try at humour to bolster his "findings" by invoking a reputable travel company's clientele, in this dud attempt to elevate it to academic status. Shameful. He and The Scotsman deserve a dual arse-kicking in the courts for irresponsibility. And I'll drink to that.

28

Märiö äntoinette,

27/08/2007 09:02:22

It doesnt set a good example to younger people , they are old enough to know better , and a wet bed or trousers isnt very dignified.

Most are probably alcoholics that "stopped" during later working years only to begin again once retired , when being a non (or barely) functioning alcoholic isnt seen as so bad.


You might think its fine , but i think its rubbish.

29

Märiö äntoinette,

27/08/2007 09:09:25

And its not about living for forever , its about quality of life while you are alive. Of course , its personal choice but these people dont appear out of nowhere at 65.

30

big chief toffee teeth,

everywhere 27/08/2007 22:36:07

my wife is irish and i didnt know she drank until i seen her sober one day...

31

Conan,

Here 28/08/2007 07:35:12

Looks like the curtain's been pulled to reveal the real Guga.

32

Jim A A,

argyll 29/08/2007 09:15:12

Anyone who goes to see a psychiatrist needs his head examined.

Sam Goldwyn

33

Jim A A,

argyll 29/08/2007 09:23:55

Anyway, Im never as drunk as thinkle peep I am.


 

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