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I get majorly peed off at reading this repetitive stuff about the feelings of "the Asian/Muslim community". As if it was a fastness in our land. Well, maybe we are heading that way, in which case, beware.
Human rights lawyers like Amar Anwar, and home-grown bloodsuckers like John Scott, mentioned in this report, have no interest in justice per se. Their only thoughts are of an Islamic orientation in the first instance and in financial enrichment in the second.
They don't give a monkey's for Scottish or UK society generally, only how their idea of justice applies to their medieval clique and how it lines their pockets.
Politicians, get real, before it is too late. The writing is already on the wall so do not toady to shit-stirring islamic groups.
It's all a con to ruffle you. Do NOT deceive and disrespect your indigenous voters in favour of aliens who attempt to manipulate you by pretending to be what they are not.
That is the worst possible patronising scenario. We are watching you, Scots politicians. The results will tell at the next ballot box. Don't mess around with the people on the pretext that multiculturalism is the next rock-and-roll. It isn't. It's a bad idea.
Kung-Half-Fu,My sentiments entirely.The other blog on the headline has a few more blogs on this subject. I'm all for putting the Scottish peoples rights first, as these muslim people have no intention of becoming truly Scottish. Theirs culture is so alien to our own it just can't happen and we are now paying for the hybridisation of the cultures.
p.s. All lawyers are only concerned with lining their pockets. Who in their right mind would stand up for these people?And digressing a minute, how is it that a bunch of law lords can decide what and what isn't a disease by finding some legal loophole, all to the benefit of large insurance companies and not the chronically ill. Will these law lords now have their bank accounts(probably abroad) investigated, I don't think so.
To fight terrorism, intelligence from the community is essential but what they are talking about here is racial profiling.
I thought they were putting people of a certain religion under surveillance.
It just creates the impression that the state is targeting a community and a religion and that cannot be helpful
Followers of Islam are the ones who are carrying out these acts of terror so there would not be much point in setting up surveillance on Christians, Jews or Silks would there.
Scottish Asian/British Asian surely this is a contradiction in terms.If they are Scottish/British then they are European not Asian.
I would sack the security services if they were NOT concentrating on the Muslim Community. That is where the terrorists is or can Amar Anwar list all the christian terrorists following Ben Ladens leadership?
"To fight terrorism, intelligence from the community is essential, " says Amar Anwar, Siddique's lawyer. Precisely! The problem is that the Muslin community in this country is largely in denial over the terrorist threat, and that essential intelligence is hard to come by.
So to even this out the security forces should waltz around the target also monotoring scotish jews,protestants ,catholics ,chinese etc excuse me where does the the threat eminate from,the police ask communities to advise them to particpate in giving information to speed up a very time consuming process in collating information ,if the residents of such areas refuse to participate then the security forces have no choice but to "widen their surveilance"i hope these guys dont have to apologise in the future for an atrocity that is out there waiting to happen because these people wont be saying oh what nice men these people are caring about our communities lets forget this and get on with the good life.
A naive question though it may seem, but can #1 - 6explain WHY the Asian community in Scotland in Scotland a whole "whose culture is so alien to ours" (I take it you mean they believe in God, while most of us have stopped doing so) have NOT integrated - what leads an immigrant community to be relucant to integrate with the host community? - and certain younger members of that community have become SO politicised? What led certain "Christian" communities to similar acts of terrorism and atrocity against each other for 30 years? I ask simply because I believe that there has been a Asian /Muslim community in the Western Isles since the 1930s who seem to have become reasonably well integrated, though I wait for correction about this from Guga or Dave.
Moscow Central. Its not the fact that the Muslims in this country are in denial, more in fact to do with their percieved loss of rights and constant attentions by the Government. The level of racist attacks also contribute to the feeling of isolation by these affected groups.lets hope they get it right at least once when dealing with so called terrorists instead of executing the wrong man as they did in London.
In 1940 many British people whom the Government thought were not wholeheartedly in favour of Churchill's war were rounded up and imprisoned without trial. There was no evidence that any of them were planning terrorists attacks. But now when some members of a particular community have carried out murderous attacks and are planning more, we are told by the liberal elite that not only we should take no action against them, but we should not even watch them!!!
In 1940 should we have allowed into the country Germans clutching Mein Kampf? But we allow in Moslems with their holy book, which explicitly over and over again incites Moslems to kill or enslave non-Moslems. Fortunately not all Moslems follow the example of the founder of their religion in carrying out such acts, but some do.
#12
Letting your sexual fantasies show - but that's all right. So many posters such as yourself are equally unbigoted to any minority.
#13
Beer and bacon rolls to you mate!
Another naive question -when exactly did we start demonising Islam, and cherry-picking from THEIR holy book?
#11 Christianity's holy book has enough blood-thirsty incitements against certain members of our own community - oh,yes, I forgot, that's the "Old Testament" - but still part of the Christians' holy book. Does anyone still pay attention to them? I'll leave you to come to your own conclusion, based on some of the opinions of some posters regarding certain issues...................
#14 It's OK to come out of the closet, dear boy - well, maybe not in ever-so-macho Leith!
#16
You and the Gay Biker should get together and compare handbags. I think a pimms at CC Blooms is in order.
#17 Didn't I see you there last night, dear heart?Or was it on Calton Hill afterwards?
Not me, but I've no doubt your fudge is well packed!
Would recognise you anywhere, looking mean, moody and SO macho - and what a great packer!
Apart from Silence of the Yams and the Major's personal little love-fest (sweet, really) anyone else notice that Silence's favoured technique - evident elsewhere this morning - is personal abuse if not threatened violence? Must be what they call "intellectual debate" in some parts of Leith..................
"Major Fag" is digging his own hole - for a change :-)
Violence is a good polictical tactic. Afterall, it builds nations and Empires. Islam is a perfect example; convert or die was Mohammeds catchphrase coming out of Mecca. He and his successors fought several wars introducing the religion of peace to unwilling ears.
#15 The Old Testament does indeed include many massacres, but the New testamant does not. But even the Old Testament does contain a general incitement to kill or enslave all non-Jews. There is no record of Christ engaging in murder and enslavement. Mohammed is recorded as behaving in this way several times, and some Moslems use this as a justification for jihad against all non-Moslems, not just Christians but Hindus, Jews and Buddhists, In fact the only major religion whose adherents are not attacked by Moslems is Shinto, because the Japanese do not allow mass immigraion.
#23. Give it time. The tentacles of Mohammed will reach Japan. I admire their approach to immigration so far.
Goodness me if we are going to inter all Muslims prior to deporting them it's going to be very empty in sunny Govan ! Do excuse me I need to go out now, avoiding the tentacles of Mohammed and I'll take my mobey in case I spot any terrorists. Do the spooks have a freefone number you can call ?
24 Silence of the Yams. I read your post with great interest. You really are becoming a self opinionated fool my friend, who stoops to insult when dissagreed with. You say that violence is a weapon of terror, so is missinformation, as we can see from your postings. I doubt there is either a muslim or indeed christian who would not prefer silence to "helping" police with their enquieries. In these trigger happy times that we live in perhaps they dont have it wrong after all.Now about my supposed sexuality. Straight or gay its non of your business. But I would say that my kids aint happy about your insinuations. Me , I know you for what you are. A cyber bully who would not say these insults to my face, but rather from the anonimity of these threads. You are indeed sir a fine example of your type.
Nothing much more to add to Biker's comments. Says it all. Anonymous abuse is the prerogative of the blustering bully and the coward. The old adage beginning "Sticks and stones............" seems appropriate. Old Silence of the Yams so hung up about sexuality - pathetic, really.
In answer to him and Chikderic, Christianity appears to have relied on murder and massacre as justification for "conversion of the heathen" i.e. ANY non-Christian people on numerous occasions scattered through history. I would challenge you to refute that.
#23 Chikderic
Murder, massacre and enslavement of native people by Catholic Christians in South and Central America (Conquistador period).
Wiping out of native culture by Christians in the Canary Islands.
Murders and massacres of Christians by fellow Christians in Europe during and post the Reformation.
Murder and shootings of Christians by fellow Christians during the Covenanting period in Scotland.
30 years of murders, shootings, car bombings and maimings of Christians by fellow Christians (each side professing Catholicism or Protestantism, and condoned openly or tacitly by religious authorities on both sides) in Ulster.
Notice a pattern emerging?
Terrorism and atrocity through the ages is just that, but your comments, and those of other "Christians", reek of at least double standards, one-eyed blindness, if not downright sickening hypocrisy.
Pope Sixtus IV authorized the Spanish Inquisition in 1478.
To 15I am amazed that people still get the bible and the koran mixed upThe bible was written by man and violence therein is descriptiveThe koran is written by god himself and when it says-don't take a jew or a christian as a friend (Surah 5:51)-these are the words of their god- violence and the supremacist doctrine in the koran is prescriptive and is the immutable word of their god, immutable except of course when it is abrogated.Only a fool believes that non muslims and muslims can live peacefully together as equals because this can never happen until the muslims address the prescribed violence in the koranWith all the nonsense of writing on the sides of buses that islam is a religion of peace I think the trade description act should be applied.Money is being spent to convince us that islam is a religion of peace and that these terrorists are not islamic yet these same terrorists keep quoting the koran and crying out to their god.Now it strikes me that all this bus money would be better spent showing these misunderstanders of islam exactly how they are misinterpreting the koran.-- because once they are convinced that the koran is not mandating this violence for them things will take a turn for the better
Unfortunately the behaviour of muslims worldwide would indicate the contrary.
Have I missed something here ? All the suspects are muslims and it seems a non-important side issue for the authorities and the media, as if they took for granted that Islam was inherently a violent religion!I think that this is news....
# To 30
I'm amazed that the murders, shootings, car bombings and maimings that punctated Ulster history for 30 years could be condoned or accepted by representatives of 2 Christian communities in the name of their SAME god!!
To 28QuoteNotice a pattern emerging? unquote
These Christians you speak of,were not obeying the commands of Jesus and it is very important that this be understoodTherefore when you say the Christians did this or that are you implying that these evils were committed on the explicit order of Jesus.
to 32You are getting confused between politics and Christianity
#30. Tommy's interpretation of the Koran leads him to state that only a fool believes that muslims and non muslims can live peacefully together as equals. Well we seem to be managing it round here quite well. I am a lot more frightened of the Westminster Government reducing further our already threatened liberties because of a mythical 'enemy within', than of this supposed threat. Civil liberties given away cannot be reclaimed so easily, that is the real threat.
35. Nothing mythical about it. Watch the news, every week another would be terrorist is in the dock. Thankfully, few have succeeded.
I sat in awe as I watched the waxing moon ride across the zenith of the heavens like an ambered chariot towards the ebon void of infinite space wherein the tethered belts of Jupiter and Mars hang forever festooned in their orbital majesty.
And as I looked at all this, I thought...
" I really must put a roof on this lavatory." --
Silence of the yams can be contacted at the volunteers arm ,Leith walk.........
#36 Aye you said it, few have succeeded, we've had one wannabe jailed and a failed attack at Glasgow airport which succeeded in breaking the anti smoking laws and nothing else. And on that basis you want to inter and repatriate all muslims. Where to, where they were born ? Thats gonna make the maternity wards in Scottish Hospitals pretty overcrowded don't you think ? We've had muslims here for decqades and no jihad yet. Your having a laugh aren't you ? At least Officer Crabtree was funny.
To #34
No, I'M not confused at all. But pray tell me when, in the whole history of mankind, whatever superstition - sorry, religion - you happen to believe in, have they NOT been confused? That's the whole point - given Ulster's recent history, I'm amazed you have never grasped that!
Does it REALLY matter whether you have been murdered, massacred, shot or car-bombed on the specific order of Jesus Christ (and as a Christian are you according Mohammed the same importance?) or a fanatic/group of fanatics using their religion as an excuse or justification? You still end up equally dead!!
#40. That was an extremely serious terrorist attack that could have killed hundreds if the rigged gas cannisters in their jeep had exploded. And read these pages, there are plenty radical jihadists walking our streets. I see repatriation as one preventative method. I put it to you that at least 75% of the Muslims in Scotland were not born here, and a large minority speak no English. Is it such a crime to send them back when they want Sharia etc.. I think not.
#28 Of course all of the events you listed happened, but not as a direct result of obeying instructions in the New Testament. And nearly all Christians nowadays would deplore them. But there are Moslems who are at present preaching hatred against non-Moslems - did you see the Despatches programme on Channel 4? And for years a Moslem cleric in London called for the destruction of Jews, whilst guarded by the police!!!
I am permanently amazed that the liberal elite support the vicious tenets of some Moslems. If a political party campaigned for women to be denied almost all rights, that democracy should be abolished and that anyone leaving the party or mocking its leader should be killed without trial, it would be banned. Promulgate these views on the grounds that they are in a so-called holy book written over 1300 years ago, then suddenly they are acceptable. If Hitler had said that Mein Kampf was divinely inspired, would National Socialism be above criticism? But, of course, our liberal elite was always sympathetic to Communism, despite the the tens of millions slaughtered in its name.
#41
Yes, it was, and thank goodness it was thwarted. We must constantly be on our guard against ANY act of terrorism or act to destabilise our democratic society and way of life.
Your ludicrous statements aside, I put it to you: Why no reply to my question at #9?
#41 Well your ignorance on this subject is perhaps not so astounding as you freely admitted you don't associate with muslims on the other page. You are talking complete mince. There are 3rd and even 4th generation muslims who are part of the fabric of this country whether you like it or not, and you will repartiate them in your dreams you sad sad person. Perhaps you should get out more.
Not before time, the Muslim community have been playing the victim card for too long. They whine about wanting their religion respect, while showing no respect to other religions. Meanwhile our spineless politicians refuse to face up to the facts that the social experiment has failed, and it's time to tell the representatives of other cultures that it's time to fit in or f*ck off. If you don't believe me, or think this is in some way racist, click the link before you crawl back in your hugboxes, or start flaming.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/books/review/Donadio-t....
Your own ignornace is the only astounding thing I can see. As I said, most were not born here and many speak no English. Are you attempting to deny this? And if you want to engage me on Islam or global Jihad, please go ahead. I will happily educate your misinformed opinion. Repatriation will occur if jihadist attrocity's happen in Scotland. That is my view. Now perhaps you should get out more.
The only reason the conviction rate is miniscule is because the human rights act has only worked for the scum. The innocent get no protection from it.
Everyone knew for years that Omar Bakri was Islamic Nazi scum but the law was protecting him from being arrested. Years upon years of his odious bile and the law could do nothing. He had to go when the religious laws brought in to protect Muslims from us Infidels worked against him.
That's why the conviction rate for these terrorist scumbags are so low. They are using our taxes to protect them.
#46 You post a link from the New York Times about a case decided under English Law ? And the relevence to the original article is ? Unless you are another one of these people who says that if any muslim is guilty, then all are. That is irrational.
# 43 Just out of curiosity, is or is not the Old Testament an integral part of the Christian holy book known as the Bible?
Which "vicious tenets" of some Moslems do "the liberal elite" support? If you mean the ones you have mentioned, where is your evidence.
For some time now it has been the right wing that has been in the political ascendancy, and of course even from the 1920s/1930s they have been great supporters of the ideas of Mussolini and Hitler's National Socialism. Even in the USA today some of the Republican Party's most influential supporters/bankrollers are right wing "Christians" who espouse such daft ideas as Creationism as a science rather than a belief.
STILL waiting for my perfectly legitimate question at #9 to be answered.........................
9 I take it you mean the usual integration by the muslim community, the only one in town that owns the Indian restaraunt, the same old scenario wheeled out every time by the looney left.
Try Parts of Bradford, burnley, Oldham, Birmingham, London where they have been gerrymandering the area for political gain. Everry single time done by left wing fascist labour pandering for the Islamic vote.
Why did George lord haw haw Galloway not stand in Scotland, because he couldn't locate enough islamic nazis in a area where he could stand so he went to the most Islamonazi arena in Britain.
The Muslims have no integration in Tower Hamlets, they have muslim only housing, swimming, schools right through to muslim only old folk homes so there's the answer to your nonsense. Muslims do not integrate because they don't want to integrate and people like you talking utter garbage only allows it to continue.
#47 Putting aside your bizarre views on the muslim community, how would you repatriate all muslims ? Do an Idi Amin ? The last time I looked Scotland was not being ruled by an insane despot who ate his enemies brains so I think as predictions go yours is pretty rubbish.
#50Although the Old Testament is part of the Christian Bible, the New Testament is, at least to most Christians, more relevant to how they should lead their lives.
In any dispute between the indigenous working class and Moslems, the liberal elite will generally support Moslems. Proof of this is that they still allow Moslem immigration. Given that there are 56 Moslem countries just why do devout Moslems come here? Surely their first choice should be Saudi Arabia.
I will put the question again, would a political party campaigning for the same intolerant values that some Moslems support be tolerated? Why should extremist views be acceptable just because their supporters claim divine inspiration?
28 what pattern would that be, at the same time that you speak about were all the Muslims reading the koran and being friendly holy wullies.
Islam has been fighting for over 1000 years and the Islamonazis are proud of that, they openly boast about Muslim troops in Madrid and on the streets of Austrai or maybe your recall of history is only a one way street
#52 Hello again, may I be so bold as to point out that this is a Scottish paper and Tower Hamlets is not in Scotland.
#52
Thank you for your considered and intellectually sound reply to a question I did NOT ask, and you either misunderstood or deliberately chose to misunderstand.
Insult and abuse are the traditional forms of attack from those who have lost the argument - or simply not understood it in the first place.
#51 You will be waiting for a long time because, as much as these right wing comedians may wish it otherwise, integration has been fairly successful in Scotland and I for one would like it to stay that way.
#54
And I will put the question again: What "vicious tenets" do the "liberal elite" support?
Who said extremist views should be tolerated? Please point out anywhere I've said that.
I'm glad you've now finally accepted that the Old Testament is part of the Christian holy book.
#9
I'll answer your question for you.
They don't want to.
#60. You'll accept the life led by Christ is wholly incompatable with that lived by Mohammed? Christ was neither a warlord, or a hijaker of goods. Nor did he behead people, or seek murder in his name. All unlike the supposed 'last' prophet of Yahweh! An illiterate shepherd, with a bent for blood and sex. I assume you accept this as fact, or haven't read the Korah or Hadith, it's Surah's or the new Testament of Christ.
#59 Can you define for us how muslim integration has gone "fairly well" e.g. some examples of significant inter-community activity.
For us right wing comedians.
#63. I can hear crickets in the background! Kriss Donald, never forget!
#63 You give me examples where there isn't significant inter-community activity.
#64 You are a sad and nasty person really that post is beneath contempt.
#65. Reading your putrid posts makes me realise why Islamists insist all females should be kept in indoors to do houesework. Maybe they are right about some things?
#66 Islamists insist all women should be kept indoors to do housework ? What colour is the sky on your planet ? Do you honestly think muslim women don't work ? Or is that just an excuse to have a wee pop at me because you can't answer my questions? Well I've wasted enough time talking to you I'm away to do something more constructive instead.
#66 Silence of the Yams. Give it a rest Numptie, you aint making any sense now.
My wife worked in a local leisure centre, before she worked there she would give me a bad time if I said anything against Muslims. She worked their for a year and now hates everything about them. The male muslim people looked and treated her as a person to be derided. The Asian women cleaned their underwear in the Sauna, threw cold water on the non-muslim, "feigning an accident", and pumis stoned their feet. Now the number of non-muslim women members are disappearing like snow off a dyke. When asked to complain the non-muslim women said they would be classed as racists, and did not want the trouble.If the security forces are checking out possible terrorists they have my full support. In the mean time could someone put an end to Amir Anwars personal jihad.
56 Ah ms Fiona you show your ignorance yet again, we are discussing Muslim terrorism, Muslim terrorists are not just Scottish in the same way catholics and protestants are not just Scottish.
The islamonazi George Galloway is Scottish.
65 I gave you a whole list of towns and cities where no integration exists, You have failed to provide examples where the integration does exist.
57 You said "I ask simply because I believe that there has been a Asian /Muslim community in the Western Isles since the 1930s who seem to have become reasonably well integrated, though I wait for correction about this from Guga or Dave."
I told you quite concisely that your idea of this integrated community would be the local indian restaraunt owner and his family.
Seems you struggle to comprehend your own looney left spiels.
Guess one of your comments was directed at me, guys, but just as your vicious abusive comments that pass for "debate" in the right wing community inhabited by comedians such as yourselves risks deteriorating into a pointless slanging match (oops, see that Silence of the Yams has started this process already) I too am about to depart to do something more constructive, i.e. have a late dinner, leaving you with a sham hollow "victory" as the level of bile and vitriol steadily mounts.
In answer to the reply "They don't want to integrate"(though many have succcessfully) another question arises: faced with the kind of reaction typical of some of the later contributors to this debate, can you blame them?
#73 Good on you Tourist Guide for being today's voice of reason. As for the rest of you, Muslims are just like us, there are good and bad elements in every culture.
#69 'The Asian women cleaned their underwear in the Sauna' etc ... all of them? All the time? This story sounds suspiciously ... apocryphal.
Having said that, I'm a great believer in infiltration and surveillance for defeating terrorism so I think police snooping might be a good idea. In the meantime, our government should be a bit more choosy about what countries they invade.
Well said Boab!!!
Speaking of racial profiling. To me it makes sense.Who are these 'bleeding hearts', that feel it is taking someones rights away.If we are looking for 'terrorist bombers, who seem to be always, form a certain religion, and originating from a certain area of the world.Then that is exactly where we should be putting our resources, to find the 'bad' guys.Racial profiling definately has it's place in these times.
Boab you an the tourist are simply apologists for islamonazis. The usual brainwashed mantra from the stereotype.
5 Years ago the whole board would have filled with looney left support for the islamonazi, now the majority speak against it.
Are you so bad at putting your point across or am I so good at putting mine across.
Or is there a third way, people are seeing the truth for what it is and that Islam is not compatible with Western culture. No matter, you are now in the minority, people are wiser and can see through the silly naive picture you try to paint.
Scotland has always been the land of the looney left but at last people are opening up to the truth.
So you keep at it because the more you do the quicker people will grasp reality.
they don't want to assimilate into british or scottish society. they cling to ancient ways ands customs using their arcane religion as an excuse.
what kind of religion promotes killing non - believers "
A SICK ONE !!
the germans said it best - auslanders raus !
throw these foreigners out now.
we don't need them, we don't want them GO AWAY.
shariah law is closer to pariah law - discriminating against women. they really are a sick peoples if they believe that crap. better they go somewhere , not stay here. let the government help them OUT of the country. IT WILL BE NO LOSS AT ALL.
80-82 You surely don't expect a rational reply from the looney tunes, ms Fiona knows bugger all we have traversed this path before on this subject and she is green as grass on it, the others are just the looney tunes who inhabit the twilight world.
I gave a list of towns and cities where there is no intgration in fact segregation and apartheid is funded to pander to the islamic nazi.
These people cannot give any example because they know nothing of the subject but they witter on because that's how the looney tune brain washed work. Not allowed to think for themselves.
81 Jews are a race, Islam is a religion
#60The liberal elite, although claiming to believe in sexual equality, are quite happy for Moslems to oppress their women and call anyone who thinks otherwise a racist. They also support Moslem intolerance towards any sort of criticism. The Guardian would not publish the Danish cartoons, so there were reams of print but the reader was not allowed to see the cartoons. There is no protest from this liberal elite about the cruelty of Halal slaughter, but plenty of laws outlawing all sorts of cruelty to animals are applied to British farmers.
#68 Gay Biker, that still puts me one better than you, fairy.
And Ms. Fiona. Unlike you, I have spent time in several Muslim countries, including Egypt, and Syria. Take a walk in any Muslim street and you won't see many woman. Very few woman work or have professions; instead, they have early marriage and large familes. Even in the UK, the average Muslim female will have 4.7 children. They WILL breed us out. Anyway, my point was a general one about Muslim males opressive attitude towards woman. Obviously lost on your tiny PC mind, aghast at any perceived prejudice against anyone with the slightest difference in creed or skin tone. Grow up you stupid cow.
I don't care whether they are born in the country they hate so much or not, strip them of their citizenship and deport them to the place that they so obviously think offers them a better life ! Secondly stop all further Moslem migration to the western world, it just does not work, I see it happening here in Oz as well!
#91. Australians have such a refreshing attitiude, untroubled by the stench old style lefty Unions and their outdated "brotherhood of man" rubbish. Nice one Bruce!
#43. Chikderic, Inverness
Salient points. (Boudica above too.) Limp-wristed apologists for this and any like group of subvertist aliens need to take a long hard look in the mirror. They won't though. They are so convinced of their own narrow-minded righteousness. They are traitors to their own people. It's despairing knowing that your own countrymen and women are complicit in this deal with the devil.
#28
But it isn't required by our God. It was abuse of power. And the things in the Bible were specific instances. And many of those wars were not religious in the Old Testament; they were wars between countries. Just because a country is Jewish or Christian does not mean it was a religious war, even if God is on their side. It merely means that God protected His people in time of war. And some of it was civil war.
330 Tommy
Are you Catholic? I'm Lutheran (LC-MS). We are taught that the Bible is the inspired word of God. Man wrote it down, just like the Koran, but there were many writers over a thousand years and the theme was all pointing to Christ. Yes, some were histories and some were letters, but that did not mean God did not give them a basic outline in their heads. He got His points across.
And, as for discrepancies, how many of you truthfully tell stories of the same incident but don't hit on all the same details? You were there and what you and the next guy said are 100% true, but you don't notice, for example, the color of Princess Diana's dress and the other guy does. Or that Charles was wearing a kilt... It's the same with the Bible. Some things might not fit with this mold, but you know what I mean.
I wonder how long my post stays online ....the major press are Quislings and cowards .....some jumped up leftist liberal will censor it ......free speech its only for certain minorities !!
#87
You are right about it being a racist religion. They feel the same way about Arabs as the Nazis did about Aryans. It's in the Koran.
My Pakistani muslim student kept telling me what I would fix for dinner that night. And he was only 15. Also he would tell me when he wanted me to wash his clothes. They definitely do think they rule the roost.
#104
That is for sure!
SCOTLAND DOES NOT NEED TO HOUSE A MUSLIM POPULATION. CLEAR THE DECKS, AND DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE,AGAIN.SCOTLAND HAS PLENTY OF THINGS TO DO AND DEVELOP, I CAN'T IMAGINE THE MUSLIM'S ADD A WHOLE LOT TO THE SCOTTISH EXPERIENCE, THAT TOURISTS COME TO SEE. TOURISM PAYS THE WAY, SO DON'T UPSET THE TOURISTS, THEY ARE THE ONES WITH THE LOVE FOR THE COUNTRY AND MORE ANCESTRAL TIES, AND THEY HOME TO THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES. THE RESOURCES COULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS, MORE SCOTTISH.
to 35QUOTE #30. Tommy's interpretation of the Koran leads him to state that only a fool believes that muslims and non muslims can live peacefully together as equals UNQUOTE........................................................
That was not my interpretation of the koran but what it says and one that muslims believe..........................................................from ask the imam sitesQuestion to mufti
Is it permissible in Islam to have friendship(not close) with the non-muslims through chatting on the internet?
I had some non-muslim friends with me. I chatted with them regularly but a Muslim friend of mine told me it is not permitted in Islam so I stopped chatting with them but i m still confused. So tell me whether its a sin to have a chat with non-muslims or it is permissible in Islam.
Answer from mufti---------One is allowed to mix with non-muslims and chat with them on permissible topics, however they should not be made close friends. This of course is for those of your on gender. Chatting with the opposite gender is prohibited.
Your intention when dealing and chatting with them, should be to invite them towards Islam.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Ml. Husain Kadodia STUDENT: Darul Ifta CHECKED & APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai..........................................................another question ??Is it legal for Muslim married or non-married women to talk or have a non-Muslim male friend?answerAllah Ta'ala says in the noble Qur'aan, 'O, you who believe, do not befriend my enemies .' (Surah 60:1)
Ms Fiona with all due respect--It would seem your knowledge of islam is from the side of a bus
Mich at 103 wrote330 TommyAre you Catholic? I'm Lutheran (LC-MS). We are taught that the Bible is the inspired word of God. Man wrote it down, just like the Koran....................................................yes Mich the bible is the inspired writings of menthe koran is a different animal altogetherthe koran is not inspired -- it was dictated by Gabriel and the Qur'an is quite literally the Word of Allah and Allah has guaranteed that He will protect the Qur'an from human tamperingso you see - muslims are quite literally in denial and will not face what the koran states and make an effort to reinterpret it to be more in line with 21st century thinking and prefer to blame it all on someone else-the west-hence Islamophobia
One more fatwaQuestion to muftiMy question is that Is Osamah bin Laden is really a hero of Islamic Ummah? If he is involved in bombings at US Embassies worldwide (as US government claims) did he done any service to todays Muslim world? Is it right to kill Americans whether government officers in such bombings according to Islamic rules? My second question is that Do Taleban government of Afghanistan done right by demolishing the Buddhah statues? There are wide Fatwas against there this act. What is your fatwa?
Answer
1. Usama ibn Laden is a practising Muslim, and thus, our brother in Islam. He has made many sacrifices for the Deen, in particular, the Jihaad of Afghanistan. While we respect him for this, we do not raise any person to any position, except that which Allah Ta'ala wishes. 2. He himself has denied involvement. Why should we then doubt him? Even if a billion Kuffaar say the opposite, the word of a single practising Muslim is more acceptable to us. 3. It was an Islamic duty for the Taliban to have destroyed the idols.
Mufti Ebrahim Desai FATWA DEPT......................................................You couldn't make all this up if you triedespecially point numbered 2
Radicalisation..changes in clothing and more frequent mosque attendance....how much more rubbish is this government and those who serve it going to come out with?....does the state believe we are all gullible infants?.....tell me another one...terrorists my a-s.
#65 You're the one claiming integration has been fairly successful. When you make a statement of that nature the onus is on you to provide examples.
I assume you can't think of any.
Oh great, lets just increase the ill-feeling towards muslims by doing this. I highly doubt there are 20 real suspects, just as I highly doubt Siddique was a real terrorist.
MI5 is actually helping their recruitment by disillusioning young muslims and their importance in our society.
Incredibly wrong approach once again, lets entirely though civil rights and liberties down the drain.
#114 Are you suggesting that the attempt to blow up Glasgow airport and the tube and bus bombings in London, and the numerous plots (some of which have so far resulted in court cases and proscecutions) are all the result of disillusionment?
