~1. Jacqueline Hyde, (quick question was your father Tom Hyde?)
Anyway how YUK POO! but it may be what you gota do!
Fight nature with nature!
Someones Poo down my nose, would I? could I?
Yes if it was going to stop me die! :-o

Pass the tube. I'd take a snort to save my life and thank the donor sincerely.

~3. Doxx, 'Aye Right Then'!

Yuk.

This kinda reminds me of my own cooking :(

~6. 49th State, 'Yuk', you minger! ;-((
(translation for oversea visitors, 'Minger'= Edinburgh word, for a, smelly dirty old tramp)
Used in 'jest' on here of-course! :-D
NO offence, 49th State.

'Poo' collections to save a life anyone?
And I ain't talking 'Winnie' :-D

NO Doubt 'Boy Wonder' will be donating his 'smelly' Poo's! ;-)))

The photo related to this article looks a bit like fries. It's making me a bit peckish.

Can I request that this treatment be immediately and vigorously applied to Ruth Gibb, the NHS 'Supremo' in charge at the Trust where more than 90 people died, who then tried to bag off with a pay-off of 250 grand in her pocket.

I wonder if donor stool could also be used in the heads of SNP voters? We could be onto a winner here.

I suppose this lends an 'air' of intolerance. On the other hand, it may be an excellent opportunity for those who behave as if their ---- doen't stink.

I am amazed none of the experts have noticed the corelation between Bleach bieng banned in the workplace (7-8 years ago) and the rise in the above bug (only killed by bleaching)

I await my nobel prize...........

Bottoms up!

Is this treatment based on the old saying 'eat sh*t ... a million flies can't be wrong!' ???

All I can say to that is ... Nnnnnoooooooooooooo!!!!!

I don't care. No way!! There's not a snowball's chance in hell anyone could make me try this "treatment" out! First they brought back leeches, now this??? Where's medical progress? Taking a sabbatical??

#11 Charles ... you'll keep, mate ... you'll keep! :(

So that's hoe Labourites survive in London?

Turd time lucky?

of course it will soon available in pill form (sugar coated) to buy over the counter at boots!

14 Staples

or maybe your posts could be used in place of donor stools? Same content, perhaps at last some redeeming and positive effect for them could be found?

"There was an old lady who swallowed a fly....."

How about storing a sample of the patient's own, er, 'culture' before entering hospital, against possible need? Using this might be slightly less abhorent than someone else's, close relative or not.

My mate said he feels exonerated for years he has sat at the end of the bar kept in the dark and fed s---- now he feels like a Fungi to be with.

This is *not* news.

This technique (or one very similar) has been used by Gordon Brown for over ten years!

Yours etc

Angus Whitton

Same as MRSA they are canceling out the immune system by over use of ant biotics...Big pharmas revolving door to make you sicker when in fact they are saying we make you better..Biggest lie since MERCURY is good for you in injections

MMR RIP

No change here at all, with the sh** that is consumed as fast food and the level of cleanliness that pervades our society to day.
All that this research project did was to improve the contamination and guarantee that the digestive processes within the patent were put back on the right track with the right mixture of bacteria for the lower digestive track.

I aquired C-Diff during a hospital stay, found it was a good thing as i had been suffering extreme constipation & the c-diff cleared me out rapido !

I suppose the 'discovery' is an extrapolation from the concept that was used years ago in Cattle. In the Hannah Dairy Research Institute near Ayr mid to late 1950's, there was a cow with a Rumen Fistula which had a glass lid that could be unscrewed to access the Rumen. Any cattle that had digestive deficiencies due to incorrect bacteria in the rumen were given a 'top-up' from the healthy rumen in the other cow to get the balance right again.
For the non literate. The rumen in 'Ruminants' is where the primary digestion/conversion of cellulose to an available form takes place by bacterial fermentation and is passed back to to the mouth where the 'cud' is further chewed and passed back into the digestive tract bypassing the rumen.
Well designed system.

Yakult anyone?
Where's Galactic Cannibal when you need him. He's an authority on the good sh1t. V

Wots the problem??
Big arches hamburgers have been made of ...........
Oooopps........my lawyers have censored this one in the interests of MY health/wealth !!

Its probably better than the food anyway.

There must be some kind of irony in this; If things are dirty on the outside but too clean on the inside then it starts to go wrong. But the catch (no.22) is that if things are too clean on the outside then things inside can't cope when the dirt arrives. Maybe this is one of life's base lessons - we all have to take a little crap from time to time.

All this because staff either can't be bothered or think they don't have time to wash their hands

29.

I wonder what your response would be when faced with a sick, septic patient. The prescribing of antibiotics is a necessity. The alternative is to allow thousands to die from treatable infections in order to reduce the emergence of antibiotic resistance - not an option. C.diff has been a problem for decades, but it's nice to know that everyone and his dog has a useful opinion once the press are bored enough to publish things like this.

Yet another clueless, doctor-bashing idiot.

#40.

Why is it that people like you always blame medical and nursing staff for not handwashing adequately, when c. diff spores can undergo aerosolised spread and may well not be killed by common detergents? Furthermore, visitors are also a significant cause of cross-infection.

Infections don't just occur in hospitals, but that's where we tend to diagnose them.

A little less of the finger-pointing please, unless there is some evidence to back it up.

#47

Surely the donors could simply aim their samples into the tube! No finger required!

Isn't it ironic that we would have to wash our hands, don sterile gloves and use an aseptic technique to administer jobbies!!!!!

More 'Old Wives Tales' coming useful - 'you have to eat a peck of dirt'......

Not being funny 'n' all that but have they tried just giving the patient Acidophilus (friendly bacteria - available from health food shops in capsule form) together with FOS (fructo-oligosacharides) which help the body absorb friendly bacteria (available in powder form and tastes nice and sweet).

Would certainly seem a more pleasant choice to injesting jobbies!

Yes, AD, they have tried this and they found that the lactobacillus bacteria in live yoghourt was an excellent treatment for clostridium in patients who had been on antibiotics. Beats the sh** out of the other idea.

C.diff can usually be treated with oral vancomycin (we've been doing it for years) - the press just jump on stuff like this because it's interesting.

I think they should make this new treatment in tablet form - or a chewy pastille!!

Yuk! Someone pass the sick bucket. After reading this, I feel so ill and need to go and lie down for a while.

You can reintroduce friendly bacteria with this method, however you are also introducing the population of UNfriendly bacteria and blood, not to mention parasites, from the donors gut as well. The article mentions that the donors are 'screened' but you would literally have to do stool tests on every sample and those tests are very often inaccurate.
Cleanliness in the medical setting (hire enough aides to keep the patients from lying in their own feces,wear gloves, educate the housekeeping staff re:preventing cross-contamination), good nutrition and taking probiotics are the first line of defense for Cdif. Someone mentioned Vancomycin, but the strains we have here are often very resistant. This all sounds like a)more NHS money-saving at all costs and b)doctors playing god when common sense and hard work would suffice! I know this because we have the same problems here..sorry to hear you guys are getting into the same sort of mess.

Nothing like a wee bit of coprophagy, washed down with a soupcon of urine to get the guts churning again. Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Remember always to floss afterwards!

I'd prefer this "natural" cure to filling my body up with the drugs and antibiotics and who-knows-what that the medical profession prescribes: and that often turns out to have unpleasant, even fatal, side effects. Constant diarrhea or barfing aren't very attractive either -- and what's the matter with leaches or anything else that does the job? Why the passion for "modern" science, when the old-fashioned methods work?

With 2000 staples we have got an unlimited supply.

Only thing is that Brown and Co will tax it.

I only noticed that the journalist who wrote this misspelt the 3rd word of the article...

Your okay Staples you wont need this treatment you are so full of S**t already.

#65 Cold Turkey

I just got that. Very funny!!!!

Good old carbolic soap, bleach and thorough cleaning of the wards would be easier to stomach than S**t.

Dear all (esp #29, 55)
Not to deny that some institutions can be shamefully filthy (recent events esp!) OR that overuse of ABs screens for "superbugs"...

But Cdiff is one super-tough wee monster and for chronic sufferers, other methods at best often simply reduce the number of desperately painful (and lifethreatening) flareups: the bug is anaerobic so VERY hard to culture--it is identified most often by a secondary test for one of two toxins it produces (a test w/ loads of false negatives); the bug sequesters itself in an unbelievably durable spore form (hence the difficulty of cleaning it from surfaces, above Bleach hypothesis notwithstanding); the two proven ABs which do get at it (Vanco and metranidazole) are nasty and can cause long-term liver damage if used injudiciously...

This bug was first isolated in the 50s and since then has been one of the most nasty villains in the nosocomial/iatrogenic story...

The poop-donor notion is the next logical step after probiotic therapy...the deliberate introduction of Good Guys (friendly bugs) to fight the Bad Guys in sheer numbers. My daughter became a home to a colony of these nasties as a tiny baby (yes, in hospital!)--we are definitely considering the poop-donor idea. Full marks to innovative solutions!

#61. Wini, the Poo

I know it is early in the day but, unfortunately, I have leukaemia and other nasty health problems and don't want to feel worse than I am. The leukaemia and other things make me sleepy and I could sleep for Scotland. Anyway, I don't think I want to add that disgusting stuff to my diet and I don't care if people say that if it tastes nice, it's not doing you any good. I'll stick with pleasant tasting stuff.

#68 SILVANA

I much prefer your way of dealing with the problem.

#55 Del-Boy

I trust you are joking re having the treatment available in tablet form or chewy pastilles. Do you honestly think you could manage to chew something containing sh*t? Ah well, it takes all kinds.

70 A learned contribution.

Use of Vanco, as the only effective antibiotic against MRSA has the additional risk of hastening the emergence of a fully AB resistant strain of MRSA, which would in effect take us back to the pre-antiobiotic era in dealing with that pathogen.

I wonder if phage therapy, now starting to be looked at again in the West, shouldn't be given more priority? Probiotics here from poo is inventive, but perhaps Russian phage therapies have something to teach us here?

#74 Ayrshire

STOP BEING SENSIBLE!

ps...where is everybody?

75 Meths

OK, sorry.

i don't know, I will go and look for them. Rendezvous on the Tory thread!

I cared for my Mom at home when she had Alzheimer's, and had aides come in to spell me off and give a hand. Quickly learned that I was cleaning her much better than they were, with their bad habits picked up in hospitals and nursing homes (most were lovely people, I just made sure I did the cleaning). My mother never had bed sores, illnesses from filth, or any kind of associated problem, even though she was bed-ridden for a long period toward the end. Have been in hospitals where I've seen the few aides run ragged, 1 for every 15 people sometimes, and the nurses congregated at their station laughing and talking. They need a serious reallocating of priorities everywhere.

The ads tell us that yoghurt help "friendly" bacteria. So those patients on antibiotics should get plenty live yoghurt to eat/drink.

Or is that just too simple?

1*
They threatened to feed the patient the Labour manifesto. Any one who believes that sh***, will be able to stomach anything!

#80 Wini

I do appreciate your sense of humour although you might not think so. Also, I never assume that anyone has no health problems. Many people have things that they are unaware of. I do honestly think that I wouldn't be able to swallow the nasty stuff.

The return of old style matrons to hospitals could go a long way to solving the problem of all the bugs around. They were sticklers for cleanliness and nothing escaped their notice.

81 A tad too simple, aye.

having had a recent spell in hospital i think that the staff should not entirely shoulder the blame for infections; whilst recovering from an operation it was very noticeable that many patients showed a marked reluctance to use baths, showers or hand wash after using bedpans or toilets.

Maybe in a dried form we could smoke it?

Hospitals are no place for the sick.

(in a kind of Inspector Poirot accent):

"Hold your fire until you see their faeces!"

Whoever is posting in the name of Julian has apparently changed their name on here more than once.

So, Julian, whoever you are, my use of the word "of" is apparently the absolute least of your problems.

And as for your comment on James Little (gee da who could that be?) - perhaps someone should be teaching the child some morals and some basic manners, instead of the twisted foul direction he has obviously been allowed to recieve. Lassie dogs are barking up the wrong tree, some of witch are not even really Scottish!

#74 Phage treatments from former Soviet Union.

Watched a documentary on that years ago and it seemed like they had palatable pills (based on stuff taken from sewage systems by hospitals) for many problems and a great record of many different epidemics and their solutions.

Unfortunately with the end of the Soviet era and the opening up of the country multinationals didn't really like the idea of 'free' medicines so much of the knowledge gained was well on it's way to being lost through deliberate neglect (drug companies moving in refused to touch phage, and substituted expensive anti-biotics as treatment.

It would be great if UK could use the Soviets forward thinking knowledge base, or what is left of it, but can't see multinational drug companies wanting anything that they don't make an obscene percentage on.

Also, as for James Little, if that is who the reference was to, I almost feel sorry for him. Those with twisted priorities and mangled morals have set into action a chain of events which will preclude him from association with someone he most assuredly would have wanted to know. The person has absolutely no interest in knowing him now, and will refuse to ever have anything to do with him.

Some creatures who claim to be people need to grown up and learn not to meddle, destroying things where they had no business meddling to begin with.

In one respect; it prevents the big chemical monopolies from being accused off inventing bugs to enable then to put their sham cures on to the free markets? They won't like this opposition to their usually expensive remedies.and will resent those providing the s**t!

Aye,ye hae to eat a peck o' dirt afore ye dee!!

#91

Spelling correction.

received

sorry.

You know, i before e, except after c or when sounded like a, as in neighbor and weigh

Back in college we studied the diaries of William Byrd one of the original landowners in America and he owned like the STATE of Virginia when it was still Virginia and West Virginia combined and he mentioned that if you didn't die from the cures to the diseases you'd get stronger. One of the cures was to eat horse manure or human feces. He described how one of his houseboys had a problem with bedwetting and the cure was to make the boy drink his own urine. Like I said, the cure either cured you or killed you, but it's been going on a long time....

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase...
"Eat Sh** or die!"

From the Anals of history...

Nothing new about 'Phage' treatment. It was being considered in the early 1960's as a disinfectant spray for operating theatres. However at that time is was considered a bit like unleashing another potential problem. Like bringing in Cane Toads (Bufo marinus) from the Philipines to Queensland to control Cane Beetles (Dermolepida albohirtum).
"Big fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite'em,
And little fleas have smaller fleas
And so on,
Ad infinitum."
Re the post from the chap in WA. The pioneering discovery was that gastric ulcers were caused by Helicobacteria.
Re feeding patients Yoghurt along with antibiotics. Apart from the nice taste, a waste of time unless the yoghurt cultures with the 'good' bacteria are antibiotic resistant. Last I knew on the subject, they didn't exist.

re some of the previous posts about no swearing or being offensive.
The definition of swearing must have been ameliorated since I was young. I was given 'what-for' at school in 1958 for calling a fellow classmate a bitch.
Being offensive obviously relates to what offends. Repeated use of 'offensive terminology' diminishes its 'offensiveness'. Therefore Terminology that used to be considered 'Offensive' become less so.
Where do you (the Moderator) draw the line?
I saw an interview some years ago with a former member of the panel which gave movies their classification ('PG'. 'M', 'R' etc.) He said that constant exposure to what was previously 'M' gradually became deemed suitable for 'P.G.' and so on.

Some of my ancesters were from Scotland, but I don't think they ever ate their own dung. I think I'd prefer the clostridium infection to downing a dung sandwich. The Scots: gotta love 'em!

Two things come to mind. Firstly I have always said we are being too sterile in our own homes, killing every good and bad bateria with all these throw away wipes and buying food that are all preprepared and clean, not like the old days when your tatties and carrots came with dirt. We are not getting out daily dose of 'dirt' so our bodies cannot build up our imune systems. Remember 'a dirty child was a healthy child'. Throw away these anti-bacterial cleaners and build up some imnunity.

Secondly, dogs clean their bums with their toungues, and they are generally quite healthy. Puts a new light on the saying, when facing a life threatening situation, of putting your head between your knees and kissing you ar*e goodbye.