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It almost sounds like bribing witnesses ...
The Crown Office probably knew this all along, so would a few of the key politicians in Scotland, but are now too busy closing their ears to the cry for a proper inquiry & no doubt busy working out what to say if one takes place.
Meanwhile the Crown Office and interested parties will be working on (perhaps a soft) Scottish Government to severely restrict any inquiry remit, in the interests of protecting their grasp on our Justice system.
I think Hans Kochler put it well in last week's Sunday Times - saying Scotland's justice system would rival that of a 'banana republic' and that we need to clean it up before Scotland can progress as a country, and so far, no one in Government seems to be doing much about that ... almost a continuation of policy of old, which many are quick to accuse the previous lot of ....
An inquiry and reform of the Scots justice system much needed, but due when ?
Re: Appeal Mr. Abdelbaset al Megrahi 10am in the Appeal Court at the High Court of Justiciary in Parliament House, Parliament Square, Edinburgh
I am the ex witness no.548, Edwin Bollier, Zurich/Switzerland in the "Lockerbie-Trial" at Kamp van Zeist.
By the following Appeal (Megrahi) I will help again as a witness in a key role (MEBO MST-13 Timer) for clarify Megrahi’s decision.
As head of the Zurich-based MeBo AG, I have received from our ex Engeneer mr. Ulrich Lumpert (ex witness no.550 in Zeist) a second Affidavit, dated from July 18th 2007. This document has taken the Lockerbie-Affair yet in another extraordinary twist.I will send you a copy of a German original of an Affidavit (notarial attested) as addition to the top secret document.
Libya and Mr Abdelbaset have nothing todu with the "Lockerbie-Tragedy"!
Please read the "Lockerbie-Fraud" on URL:http://www.lockerbie.ch
Translated from german to english by YAHOOUntil today into the dark.
After the official passenger list C-140V from 21.12.1988 of PanAm the feeder flight PA-103/A (Frankfurt > Heathrow) checkin only 3 passengers with 3 each luggage items. The codings numbers of the 3 time 3 luggage items, to be able can be assigned following to the free of doubts 3 passengers. With the examination of MEBO it turned out clearly that 4 times 3 luggage items were loaded on PA103/A and were transferred from Kuwait with Lufthansa flight LH-631. Not 3 luggage items but 6 luggage items (2 times 3 pieces) came with Lufthansa LH-631 which were checkin and transfere on PA-103/A. The additional unaccompanied 3 luggage items came from Kuwait LH-631 and was transfered on PA-103/A and haved the ex Tray *No. B-4809, B-6001, B-7418 The fatal effects of the unsatisfactory fine averaging of the German FEDERAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION OFFICE culminates at negligence because by the Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations one did not notice, that 3 unknown and unaccompanied inter-line luggage items were transferred by flight LH-631 from KUWAIT on the flight PA-103/A, which could be assigned to no person and over these to anhin a silence exists! See: * 3 inter-line of luggage items of feeder flight LH-631 from KUWAIT ex Tray No. B-4809, B-6001, B-7418. These 3 luggage items wrongproves assigned by the Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations following, see text: After determinations it can have concerned here with high probability only the three luggage items checkin by the passenger WALKER in KUWAIT * wrongly. (Ref. page 16, Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations rapport) MEBO clearing-up: The passenger T. WALKER traveled with his 3 luggage items with the same flight LH-631 of KUWAIT to FRANFURT. WALKER had itself at 15:57 o'clock at the head Checking Counter in FRANKFURT with its 3 luggage items ex Tray No. B-7056, B-9531, and B-11366 checking again. MEBO EXAMINATION. Importantly:
#4 Continuation:
It could not be cleared up until today whether this Baggage in LONDON Heatrow "Mainflight" on; PA-103 after JFK was transferred. After testimony by Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations commissioner Hans Juergen FUHL (Crown a witness NO. 566) in Heathrow of documents were destroyed! Org.Text Crown/ over Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations commissioner FUHL: He commented that OTHER organization who were investigating the bombing had taken some OF the documentation before the Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations could GET their hands on it. He thus noted that PanAm had apparently instructed staff RK HEATHROW tons destroy documentation. [ Ref. Doc.1 CHAPTER 13 PAGE 38] Probably these documents would have brought to clarity over the 3 luggage items from KUWAIT, particularly over the most important question whether these 3 unknown luggage items in LONDON Heathrow on would have "Mainflight" PA-103 after JFK were transferred? RESULT: On the feeder flight PA-103/A from FRANKFURT to London Heathrow a Bag did not become; from AIR MALTA on PA-103/A transfers, but, flight LH-631 transfers 3 unknown strange luggage items from KUWAIT on PA-103/A from LUFTHANSA LH-631!
EDWIN BOLLIER
Looks more and more like a stitch up.
2. Peter Cherbi
"almost"??!!??
;-)
#6 Bill2. It doesn't look like a stitch up, it was a stitch up. And peter #2, it doesn't almost sound like bribing witnesses, it was bribing witnesses, plain and simple.
The Americans were so determined to convict a Libyan, any Libyan, that they were prepared to go to any lengths to get it, including manipulating evidence, withholding evidence, and bribing witnesses.
The crown then withheld evidence from the defence, another stitch up.
The whole trial was a farce, and a dark day for Scottish justice.
No New News Here.
It is already known he was rewarded with £2M for his evidence: http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1730667....
Peter you know as well as anyone there will never be any Enquiry into Lockerbie.Scots Justice has been far too damaged by this farce of a trial.He should never have been convicted in the first place.Nearly every day now we are hearing of evidence that was withheld by Crown Office and if they knew about this then they are at the very least guilty of Contempt.Holland and Sinclair Appeal to Privy Council will sort it out for Megrahi.
See more Lockerbie debates here:http://shirleymckie.myfastforum.org/about33.html
#7. 'Suck' - McCrunchie & #8 Guga II,
I like to leave a little room for debate !
#10. 2Right
Yes, looks like it, no unrestricted free transparent accountable inquiry into the Lockerbie case announced from the SNP yet.A sad day for Scottish justice as well as Scottish politics, which looks like its running at the orders of those in the legal system.
I think we have to do something about that ...
There have been so many cases where the crown with held evidence beneficial to the accused that Scottish justice is a crap shoot.Looks like the Scottish Government is in line for a massive suit from the Lybian for false imprisonment. Think the Yanks and Westminster will pay out? Not a chance.
It looks as though the Islamists pray to Allah, but really enjoy the spending power of the Western Green Back. I'll bet this witness was paid to have money for his family to survive on should his imams have him killed for swquilling.
Recently, the news that Dr Jim Swire, who has long harboured doubts that Megrahi was not guilty of the Lockerbie bombing, had offered financial help to Megrahi, has been met with personal attacks against the good doctor on commentary sites such as this one.
I am always wary of those who employ the tactic of attacking the messenger as it suggests to me that this is the last resort of the knave with no cogent arguments to make for any chosen subject.
“He/she is a conspiracy theorist, crackpot, has an axe to grind” has never seemed much of a case to make against any argument and especially not in the Lockerbie affair when brave men like Dr Swire would love to believe that the right man was in jail.
Of course Dr Jim Swire is not a lone voice in suspecting that the Lockerbie Trial was not fair. Professor Hans Koechler, The observer appointed by Kofi Annan the UN General Secretary to observe and report on the trial reached the same conclusion as did Professor Robert Black (the so-called father of the trial). Are they too conspiracy theorists? Add to the number of sceptics about the trial the most respected MP to sit in the House of Commons, Tam Dalyell (who was told implicitly by Margaret Thatcher that Libya didn’t do it) and the doubts become credible.
When the Lord Advocate, Lord Fraser of Carmyllie, who instigated the Lockerbie proceedings later reflected that the key witness (Tony Gauci whose evidence in effect convicted Megrahi) was “one sandwich short of a picnic” and it does make one question the propriety of the trial process.
This morning the Independent on Sunday carries an article by Robert Fisk who tells of the sister of a victim of the Lockerbie bombing, Mrs Marion Irvine, who has long harboured doubts about the trial verdict but has been silent in her beliefs because she was afraid to be labelled a “raver” or conspiracy theorist. Nevertheless this brave woman has dared to suggest that maybe; just maybe our politicians have
It is clearly why the Scottish Justice new investigation into the "Lockerbie Affair" does not want, ton much dirt and flops come ton the daylight.
On the OTHER hand must examined more whether the ex defense team Duff & Taylor works for Libya and its Official mr.Abdelbaset al Megrahi, were more either unable, naive or corrupt?
A professional defense would have the "Lockerbie Conspiracy" against Libya with the small fingers of exposes and the original process in favor of Megrahi's won, shameful!!
More clearing-up over the "Lockerbie-Fraud" on URL: http://www.lockerbie.ch
#13.So Tony Gauci is a Muslim?
Let me explain how this forum works.You read the article,give it some thought and then post a comment.It,s like going for a dump, trousers down,underpants down then crap.Get any of the above in the wrong order and you look pretty stupid.
Robert Fisk: Do you know the truth about Lockerbie?
http://news.independent.co.uk:80/fisk/article3055834.ece
Edwin Bollier VR, MEBO Ltd
Also the key witness Edwin Bollier was allegedly offered 1991 a new personality and up to USD 4m reward in return for giving a wrong statement that the MST-13 timerfragment descends from a MST-13 timer supplied to Libya, but Bollier had rejected the offer.
Witness at Kamp van Zeist 2000.
Edwin Bollier first a witness during the "Lockerbie-Case" now with international legal support from Switzerland, will bring a charge against official ones on the "Lockerbie investigation Team" because of deliberate manipulation of the central proof MST-13 timer fragment. Please visit The "Lockerbie-Fraud" on our webpage:
http://www.lockerbie.ch
Mr. Abdelbaset al Megrahi and Libya have nothing to do with the Lockerbie-Tragedy!
Megrahi was never guilty and the judges new it.
Scottish justice under labour stinks! Or should that be united states labour justice stinks. It seems the good old usofa has had its hand up westminsters bum for a LONG time.
And yes, deliberate non use of capitals.
#9 2Right says no news here and refers to an article in the Herald last week by Lucy Adams as evidence that this is not news.
I suppose today's article by Marcello Mega is merely expanding on the news that is now leaking like a sieve from the SCCRC in that it confirms that £2 million (Herald £1million) was not only offered (as Adams/Herald) but was received by Gauci and the source for this was not the police investigation in 1988 as per the Herald but is from the SCCRC, or a source close to it.
These are important developments in what looks like a fast unravelling case.
PREDICTION
Announcement the original investigation had been "infiltrated".
Infiltration was "Iranian funded".
This was to cover Iran being solely responsible.
Payments made to Maltese agent to cover investigation costs, have resulted in this discovery.
Everyone working on the investigation did a great job against so much dodgy evidence being planted.
Scottish legal system should pat itself on the back for reaching the only possible conclusion with the evidence available at the time.
Iran should be made answerable and has weapons of mass destruction.
Sanctions against Libya were only put in place due to their lack of cooperation.
Comments anyone?
This is no surprise, however we should ensure that rather than assuming innocence or guilt that a full and proper trial with all the evidence takes places.
We need a long hard look at the justice system in the UK which is driven be the desire to convict rather than to either (1) sort out problems (2) get the right verdict. A more constructive system is urgently required where the objective should be to the discover facts, then work out the best way forward rather than seek the highest sentence possible. One prison governor stated a couple of years ago that around 5% of all prisoners are definately innocent, other studies put it as high as 15%. To destroy people lives in this way in order to boost conviction statistics and make the politicians look good is totally unacceptable. And as we have seen with countless terrorism cases in the past the desire for seeing something done often overrides the desire to actually do the right thing.... Also no police or prosecutors ever get sent down for corruption, that also needs to change.
Typical smoke and mirrors by the SCCRC.
None of these allegations is inconsistent with what the case proved. Megrahi's indictment has always acknowledged other unknown "co-conspirators."
Further, if a conspiracy does indeed exist, it is not likely by our governments; but rather by those who criminally conspired with Colonel Kaddafi to commit mass murder.
It's my understanding (from many private discussions with family members) that the original Iranian/PFLP-GC bombing plot (retaliation for the Iranian airbus) was broken up by German police in their successful Autumn Leaves interdiction.
Those PFLP-GC operatives subsequently handed the bombing plot off to Kaddafi-- who had his own axe to grind over Reagan's retaliatory strikes for Kaddafi's La Belle disco bombing. It is Kaddafi's misfortune that the evidence led to his door first-- and not further down the co-conspirator rathole to the Tehran den.
I repeat, there is nothing inconsistent in Megrahi's guilt and the fact that there likely remain many other co-conspirators who (in an imperfect world) will likely remain unknown and unpunished (at least in this life).
Their conspiracy to commit murder, however, does not imply our governments' perpetrating a "cover-up"; nor does it imply Megrahi's innocense.
Finally, it would be nice for someone to start investigating how much money the MEBO timer manufacturer have been (are being?) paid by that rat Kaddafi. It would also be helpful to learn whether MEBO timers were used in other atrocities (IRA bombings?) and thwarted attacks (the Autumn Leaves bomb devices?).
The MEBO timer manufacturer clearly has a considerable stake in this game. Where is the media scrutiny?
Bribing witnesses eh- Did Lord Numpty Colin Boyd know about this - not that he gave Lord Coulsfield straight answers the first time around ? No wonder Elish is trying to protect him
As for suggesting that Bollier the Mebo man has an agenda that is of course possible but then should he have been listened to when his story suited the court and ignored when it did not? I visited Bollier's Mebo site and it does make one wonder, as he is adamant that the timer fragment was interfered with and tried to say so at the 2000 trial apparently. I lifted this of his site and if it is an accurate transcript of the Trial then it does make one wonder. Court excerpt:
Q-Lord Advocate, A-Witness Edwin Bollier:
Q- So in September of last year at the police station in Dumfries, you were shown—A- Yes, in Dumfries. Yes.
Q- Make—A- The police. And I had a witness because I wanted to have a report. She was assigned to me. She, too, saw both fragments. And now they have been modified. I swear they have been modified.---
Q- Lord Sutherland: Thank you, Mr. Bollier.That's all.A- My Lord, may I put a question? Am I allowed to do that? Q- Lord Sutherland: I think not, Mr. Bollier. Your evidence is now over, and that is all we can hear.
US and UK governments needed a conviction in the case and the fact that the key witness was rewarded for his testimony casts doubts on its value.
"It is not acceptable to pay a witness as that practice is likely to make him anxious to please." -----------------------------------------------------
I cannot speak for the UK gov's. behaviour
But our US government the "Feds" will go to any lenghts to get a convicition once they decide to do so.
Right or Wrong dosen't mean a dam thing to them, once their minds are set on a conviciton. Justice is replaced by Injustice.
GC
USA at it very best, can't believe a word they say. The worlds biggest Phoney.
Is there any truth in the fact that Professor Peter Duff has resigned from the board of SCCRC over this Lockerbie Incident.Here is BBC Documentary that will make you all cringe:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7030000/newsid_70...
Hey Bollier-someone needs to bring out the straitjackets (quick!) and get you off to a place where you can't harm yourself, buddy! Looney tunes forever!
I could say you're way nuttier than a fruitcake, but I would be slandering the fruitcake.
And tell me something, oh fellow Americans on this board, are you all really AS GULLIBLE IN REAL LIFE, AS YOU APPEAR TO BE ON THIS BOARD? DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR?
In other words, when something breathlessly appears in the media about a particular story, do you take it for the god's truth?
Apparently so! But I'd hate to see how you all get scammed in real life, if you are so easily led like sheep over a cliff!
Do you understand that this Commission is not made up of lawyers and judges? Do you understand that people who have commented negatively on the evidence do not understand the first thing about evidentiary issues and particularly, criminal procedure?
That the only body that counts here is the appeal court, who will look at these wacky recommendations, and then, I can assure you, they will not disturb the verdict?
Sheesh! God-NO WONDER cult leaders out there can sway thousands-people want to believe-just like in the X-files!
Spring Rain
There is only one Loony Tune on this forum, You.Of course there are others who believe Megrahi Is Guilty, But it only seems to be Americans.Even the Families of those who Died do not trust our Courts nor Governments.Thomas J was so kind to link the above post of Mrs Marion Irvine another who lost a loved one but who does not trust our System of Justice and who has now said there is collusion between America and Uk to cover up the truth.Here is the article again for you to read in case you missed it.http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article3055834.ece
It would also add credence to the fight of Jim Swire who i take my hat off to in his fight for The Truth
#33 Spring Rain
"when something breathlessly appears in the media about a particular story, do you take it for the god's truth?"
Apparently you do. You consistently write on these forums indicating you have no doubts about the conviction of Megrahi. Such faith in the legal system indicates either god-like wisdom or sheep-like gullibility.
None of the characters in this case are very likeable. A Libyan secret agent, a maker of bomb timers, a guy who gets $2m for a witness satement. But anyone who would take the word of a Scottish judge over these scum clearly hasn't spent much time in this country. These are the top members of a court system that had, until recently, escaped any political scrutiny for 300 years. There are no surprises in the result. On the day it was decided to hold the trial without a jury, many tired, old eyebrows moved skywards.
The only Lockerbie witness I know, had to explain to her nine year old son what the burning corpses that were landing all around them as they were delivering Christmas presents were.
She wasn't offered any money for her testimony.
2Right, hon, you are 2Gone.
I'm utterly appalled by the discourse by the Scots on this board-really and truly-you're never had any dealings or experience with government, it's quite clear, so you do indeed see the Govt. as this hostile malevolent entity, holding all these secrets that the public will never know (ha! if you only knew!) You see Govt. as a kind of episode from the X-files, hiding evidence of UFOs, and mad scientist experiments, secret cover-ups, sadly.
But in the end, it really only indicates that you don't want to be hit with dull reality-that's not exciting enough, conspiracy theories are sexy and fascinating-and of course, you've read every internet website that caters to your darkest fantasies, so of course, you KNOW these theories are true-after all, there are websites that, that, like, PROVE it, you know?
In other words, you refuse to use the brain that god gave you-and wish to remain wallowing in the very bottom of the IQ barrel, with the mental acuity of a pickle.
Okay, it's your life, you are welcome to it.
On 3rd July1988 an Iranian Passenger Jet carrying some 290 civilian Iranian passengers was shot down by an American captain on a state of the art warship in the Persian Gulf.
Why was this man not punished for the murder of 290 Iranians???
Lockerbie was undoubtedly a tragedy but why did the murdering American Captain get away with the murder of the 290 Iranian civilians ????
Americans do not value the lives of others.
Perhaps 9/11 has something to do with this murderous American attitude.
3 july 88.... need to get your facts straight pal....
the warship had been attacked several times in the previous few days leading up to that tragic day.the jetliner was on a course directly over the warshipthe jetliner did not respond to hails from the warship
so you are the captain... what do YOU do... risk having to appoligize to the world for making a tough decision... or appologize to the families of your crew for not making a tough decision....
and murder... no... that does NOT reach the minimuim criteria for murder... try again pal...
and as far as not valuing the lives of others... thats pretty lame there pal... you "spriechen ze deusche" there pal? if we DIDNT value the lives of others... you WOULD!
41. mike - across the pond
You are attempting to justify the downing of a civilian jetliner, which was clearly recognisable as such?
The Captain was either incompetent in that he did not know what the plane was and opened fire nonetheless or he was incompetent in that he shot it down deliberately.
Murder.
Look,Lockerbie would NOT have happen if the plane had been running "on time." The flight 103 was late and missed their "slots" along the airways highways in the sky.Therefore it was alotted the great circle route which is the longest of the three normal North America -Europe air passages. Which route would it have been allloted should it have left on time and where would the aircraft have been at the time that the bomb exploded? I suggest over the ocean, where nothing would be found in the way of evidence.Prior to Lockerbie an Air India 747 crashed over the ocean while on route to USA having left London.Was this some type of dummy run???
#Spring rain
Pickle you say:"Yer Heads Pickled Ya Nugget"I have never read so much tripe in all my life as your comments contain.Bull---- would be a better word to describe some of your Rantings.According to you : You and you alone are right against all these other people who say evidence was either Paid For or Fabricated.Even our past Lord Advocate Fraser said Gauci was not the full shilling, Tuppence short of a tanner, in other words not right in the Head, Needing Medication, A wee bit like yourself.But he still used him as a credible and reliable Witness.So everyone including Jim Swire, Marion Irvine, The Golfer, The policeman saying evidence was planted, Edwin at Mebo and all the hidden evidence now coming to light along with The whole SCCRCs Decisions are wrong? And you alone are right.Away ye go and Boil Yer Head Ya EejitYeh Plenty Conspiracy theorists here: YOUAs far as i am concerned all my realistic Theories are based on Hard Facts and Evidence.As for your enquiry Re: have i had any Government Dealings? Yes I Have.You really have no idea How the inner workings of Scots Law Works.Please do not insult us Scots anymore by trying to force upon us Your American Views, Lockerbie is enough and damaged Our System beyond repair.Please do not underestimate the Scots any Longer.
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bunch of mamby pambys....
lets say you were sitting in a restaurant... sipping your favorite beverage...
in the booth behind you, you overhear a conversation between some thugs youve seen around who are planning a crime...
a few days later the crime happens, and some people die... guess that crowd of thugs was pretty brutal and real serious....
you know the thugs are not above taking revenge on you, or your family...
do you testify against them?
I understand exactly why the guy demanded a huge pile of money... if he testified (which he did) the life he knew was O V E R.... and it is...
I understand exactly why the US paid it...
I do not feel sorry in the slightest for the guy who you have in the slammer...
what I do NOT understand is why the scotsman published so many details about the family and business of the guy who testified... thats just plain S T U P I D... and should open "the scotsman" to liability... should anything unfortunate happen to them or their business... not to mention some innocent person who just happens to be in their business at the wrong time...
45. mike - across the pond
It's pretty obvious that the conviction is unsafe and should go to appeal.
Because of FBI subversion (for which we expect to see them in the dock) most of the evidence is unreliable.
Never mind your restaurant tales.
either you dont know the nuances of your mother-tongue...
or
you are being deliberately dense and are grandstanding...
Murder requires malace and forethought... some may say the captian had malace... but forethought would imply that he KNEW the plane was going to take off... 27 minutes late... and ordered it shot down... didnt happen that way....
the CORRECT term for what you are implying would be MANSLAUGHTER... but that term lacks grandstanding potential... doesnt it???
this has been investigated several times and nothing resembling "murder" has ever been attributed....
wake up pal... your self loathing is showing
you have this guy locked up... for how much longer? life?
I'd have put him to the chair... ole sparky... been done with him... glad hes there on YOUR back!!!
I find it fascinating that they arent claiming he is innocent...
they are claiming that one of the the witnesses used to convict him was paid...
W O W....
ok what about the OTHER evidence? surely there isnt just ONE witness.... and ONE piece of evidence you have this guy locked up on.... your courts arent THAT sketchy.... are they? if they are, its no wonder you dont have a death penalty...
if you are gonna turn this guy loose based on ONE witness getting something for his testimony... well you better be willing to turn your jails inside out.... cause half the guys in there ended up there because somebody ratted them out in a "deal".
47. mike - across the pond
"Murder requires malace and forethought... some may say the captian had malace... but forethought would imply that he KNEW the plane was going to take off... 27 minutes late... and ordered it shot down... didnt happen that way.... the CORRECT term for what you are implying would be MANSLAUGHTER... but that term lacks grandstanding potential... doesnt it???"
You are talking about US law which does not apply in this case.
"this has been investigated several times and nothing resembling "murder" has ever been attributed...."
Who by? The ICC - no - the USA is not a member.Did you allow Iran them access to the Vincennes to carry out an investigation - no.
The Captain would have access to all civil airliner movements, not to mention satellite and AWACS information, state of the art radar.
You don't go around blasting planes out of the sky because you don't like the look of them.
And just what was the Vincennes doing in the Persian Gulf anyhow?
Have to be more careful with your imperial gunboat diplomacy now the Iranians have guided missiles.
You haven't got a leg to stand on, and you know it!
48. mike - across the pond
"you have this guy locked up... for how much longer? life? I'd have put him to the chair... ole sparky... been done with him... glad hes there on YOUR back!!!"
Good job that the USA didn't have jurisdiction to murder a probably innocent man then, wasn't it?
We're not going to turn him loose, not till the appeal process is done.
We also need get to work on the FBI who perverted the course of justice.
When you have a country run by gangsters your justice does not count for much at all.
Mike across the pond seems to be here for the challenge of debate since he seems to get his facts from a propaganda echo chamber or Wikipedia.
Mike-don't even bother with this lot-2Right, is like, so far out in left field, it's just scary-"IQ of a pickle" no not even, I'm insulting the pickle! People like 2Right and his ilk would rather listen to the half-wits, neurotic attention seekers, and the plain criminally insane (Bollier) than pick up the Lockerbie transcripts (which are available) and read what actually was testified to at trial, and the rationale of the judges who found that Megrahi's guilt WAS PROVED BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
I'm constantly amazed at what I read on these threads here if one didn't know better, one could actually believe that Scots in general are unable to think rationally, and don't know the first thing about legal principles and criminal process!
There's a very interesting article today in the Scotsman: GOSSIP MORE POWERFUL THAN TRUTH
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1651202007
Here, amongst these quite mad Scottish conspiracy theorists, whom I'm also quite sure believe that aliens have already infiltrated the population, we do have living proof of the factual conclusions in the above article.
P.S. Odin-EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE SURVIVORS OF THE IRAN AIR SHOOTDOWN WERE WELL COMPENSATED BY THE US GOVERNMENT LONG LONG AGO.
Here on this thread, we have living proof of that!
