Time to get rid of all SECTARIAN schools now. There is enough division in our society without an government funded apartheid education system.

Reach the important matters in our schools and leave religion for the home or in places of worship.

The government should neither support nor fund segregation.

#1 Richard, couldn't agree more.

No need for Jewish schools either. I can understand Muslim frustration if the Jewish have their own state sponsored schools. However, neither should be allowed their own schools since their religions cause most of the problems in the world.

Give Jews and Muslims a school they have to attend together. Neither Islam or Zionism feel any attachment to nationhood so I feel no guilt.

Its high time that a school in the UK was just that, a school, a place to be educated according to the national curriculum. NOT a Catholic School, a Jewish School, a Muslim school, a Satanist school, Ive got no time for all this sectarian nonsense.

There are no faith schools in Orkney and the sectarian problems seen on the mainland aren't found here. Religion should be a private matter.

Totally agree with #1

Sectarianism starts at 5 years of age when we as parents separate friends going to school simply because they are of differing religions.

Jack McConnell and his minions should abolish all state funded single faith schools,which are no more than an 'Alabama' style schooling system.

I don't know, you have to teach the kids the right kind of people to hate before they make their own minds up.

#1 Well said.

State funded faith based schools will be the undoing of our society. Get the kids integrated as the adults are a lost cause. Let them school together, play together, learn together and be tolerant of each other...and most importantly, let them have their faith based training under the supervision of their parents and church OUTWITH the school environment.
Faith based schools should be scrapped now.

Iain,

I realise that you are probably not very intelligent.
As far as I have understood, not all Jews are Zionists?
By your logic, all christians have a deep seated desire to build concentration camps, and get rid of those people that are different to themselves. But, of course, as Iain points out, its Jews & Muslims that cause the world problems....

Nationhood? Eh? Do you think Scotland is for the Scottish Christians only? Suddenly your thought processes makes sense - another SNP supporter who believes that the only people who should rule are white, christian socialist, nationalists....Beacause christianity is a good religion - Crusades/Spanish Inquisition/ Hitler/Blair & Bush against the Middle East/the cover up of child molestation by a certain 'world' religion.
ALL religions should be banned! They are all as vile each other!! 'My god is better than yours!'

PS for the less thick out there, get rid of all these divisive schools. Otherwise views like those of Iain will fester.

What a total waste of public money. The education authority is obliged to provide a school for the education of children - THAT'S IT!!! They should all go to it and without having to fund Catholic/Jewish/Muslim establishments, they would maybe be able to provide better equipment.

Totally agree with Richard #1.
Separating children on religious grounds at school is shameful.

15% of Scottish children attend RC schools and 20% of them are not RC. If the schools are full there is no cost difference, in fact where I live it's marginally cheaper to educate pupils in RC schools. And incidentally one of them has just been declared the best school in Scotland.

What kind of system tramples over the wishes of 15% of it's populace?

I can think of a few, and their leaders are in jail and their countries get invaded or marginalised by the world.

You call faith schools sectarian and bigotted.

You need to take a good look at yourselves.

Joe, I'm a nominal Catholic and even I can see you need to take a wee chillpill.
We cant just stand by the usual remarks on this discussion. We now have a real and powerful voice asking for further faith based schools for other minorities (regardless of %). It isnt sustainable and frankly (and this is only a personal opinion) I believe that now is the time for the churchs to start to flex their muscles in other ways rather than make school kids the "battleground" for the saving of souls. I'll repeat, we all know that the vast majority of religious direction is given from the home for both Christian and other religions. Lets recognise that, let the kids all mix, and let THEM be the future through their own, independently thought out views based on an experience of growing up with each other. Who knows, maybe then all Christian kids (for example) will tell their parents to shut up about a Muslim ladies right to wear the veil and they tell us as parents that they arent bothered.
I believe that if we take this step, we can pull our country back from a potential abyss...wee bit dramatic but youo get my drift hopefully

Separating children in school simply for political reasons, no matter how it is dressed up, is wrong. It creates unhealthy divisions, something we can see with the recent debate concerning Sleat Primary School and the wish of Bord na Gaidhlig (QUANGO) to exclude English medium children precisely because they did not want Gaelic medium children to be adversely influenced by having contact with them. It does smack of apartheid and their are seveal fiscal issues as well.

State funded schools should not be funding any type of religion. Get rid of Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Church based schools.

You can't say 'no' to muslim schools and still have state funded fund Catholic, Jewish Quaker or whatever else type schools.

Is it just me, or is everybody frightened to mention the subject of religiously based schools when the C word (Catholic) comes up? Its just that everyone who does is apprently a sectarian bigot so I'd just like to understand how best to approach it. Thanks

How many kids at 5 years old even know what religion (or even right and wrong) is? None. It takes years of indoctrination to force them into it.

The trouble is, if the (any) church, DOESN'T get the child, then it loses it's power, and they couldn't let that happen, could they?

ALL children should be educated together, and any religious 'education' kept well out of it.

if any country wants to learn to live together,then we need to be educated together.let the churchs deal with what they are for-religion and the schools learning.
Perhaps then the next generation of kids from all faiths will have learnt to be more tolerant as adults and laugh at us for the divisions we allowed to be forced upon us.

#20 Only way to go David. Dont see any other justifiable position...and not before time

~14.

I do get your drift, so do RC schools, where the pupils are taught to respect ALL others equally.

"Other" faith schools would do the same if it was made part of their ethos.

It is the schools with no such ethos you should worry about.

either there are no faith based school or anyone can have them otherwise its typical hypocrisy.

I look forward to the day Jedi and atheists can have their own schools paid for by the taxx payer.

Joe, I do get what you mean and frankly was taking that as a given. you and I both know what the reality is of our schools etc. I genuinely believe that if we dont integrate this wee spot in Europe will explode. The kids are the answer...no matter what we decide, as the adults have fcked it up already

To say that faith schools are a poison would be an understatement.
This poison should be excised, but what polititian would have the guts to grasp this hot potato?.

Billy #27

I agree. Maybe we should be offered a referendum on this.

A referendum might be the way to go. Who exactly would be asked btw? The whole of the UK or just Scotland? Personally I think just Scotland as I genuinely believe that it is a great chance to radically change our country

#24 and 26. Doesnt this argument affect all religions and faiths? Or is this just a wee parochial Scottish C word arguement again?

#30.Arent they touchy.

Of course this argument affects all religions and faiths, but here really shouldn't be any argument at all.
Schools should be entirely concerned with education and not for indoctrination.
Religion should be a subject - just as maths is.

Some reasoned arguement and some stereotypical ramblings from the usual suspects. It may have gone 'under the radar' but even Northern Ireland has been introducing 'integrated' education for some time now.

This over a period of years will become the norm in the province - and good luck to them.

If we are to teach religion in schools then lets teach it alongside Greek Mythology where it belongs or in the same class as Hansel & gretel and other such fairy stories.

As our society slowly disintegrates we need our kids to have a better understaning of each other - all our kids!!

#33 Allan, Paisley.

Those who insist on separate religious schools would argue that they already pay for it. Only a dismantling of the current system will eliminate this obscene segregation of our children.

13. Joe

The majority of Roman Catholics want to see an end to this disgraceful system.

How do you feel about the Catholic Churches demanding seperate entrances, staff rooms and toilets in shared campus schools? Mississippi Burning springs to mind.

24. Joe

Is that the kind of respect where you demand seperate entrances, toilets, staff rooms and eating areas?

Give us peace you moron. Anyone denying the contribution made to sectarianism in Scotland by this divisive schooling system needs his head examined.

29.

The Catholic Church would fight any attempt to have a referendum on the subject tooth and nail, because they know right would prevail over wrong and they'd lose their schools. The people of Scotland don't want seperate schools and even the majority of Roman Catholics don't want them.

Just for you Joe.

Here's a quote from Helen Miller of anti-bigotry organisation Nil By Mouth:

"It was segregated schools, segregated buses, segregated youth clubs," she shrugged. "You go to church and all the youth clubs are linked to that church and you never met any children from the other community."

And here's another from Alison Logan of anti-bigotry organisation Sense Over Sectarianism:

"When I was a child I went to Craigbank Secondary School, as it was then, and the Catholic school Bellarmine was close by and there was always tension. "Part of that was territorial, but a lot of it was about 'we're us and they're them'. It was that Catholic/Protestant divide.

You'll probably still have the gall to tell us Roman Catholic schools don't cause division. It is YOU who needs to take a good look in the mirror.

Single faith schools,of which i was an attendee,bring nothing more than religious intolerance to others.We are the people who can change all this come polling day,a divisive Scotland through sectarianism is what will bring this country to it's knees.I am now happily married to a non-Catholic(We always used this term to describe Protestants as we were told this was a dirty word as kids?) and have brought up my 2 kids in a non-denominational (See,no use of the word Protestant again) school,and both are excelling way beyond my widest dreams academically.Let's leave this religious nonsense behind us,and let the church do it's teaching where it's supposed to...In a church on a Sunday.

End ALL single faith schools now before it's too late.

I am a practicing catholic in my late fifties and totally against segregated schooling on religious grounds.

As a boy I had to travel about 8 miles on 2 buses
just to get to school when my friends had to contend with a 5 minute walk. I could never quite understand why.

After school, well I couldn't get home fast enough to play with pals many of whom are still, to this day, my closest confidants.

My greatest fear is that a Muslim community at present reluctant to integrate are hardly likely to be encouraged to do so via the teachings of a Muslim school.

Somehow I doubt integration and it's values will figure in the curriculum.

Corresondent 9 is spot on, the parents are a lost cause, integration aged 5 would go a long way solving these social problems in an open to all general premises of education.

39. Brendan and 40. George

It is heartening to read quotes from two Roman Catholics with the decency and common sense to see that splitting kids at 5 contributes to the problems we have in West-Central Scotland.

All we need now is for Joe to drag himself into the 21st century and we'll be all but there!

39 & 40.

Thankfully most Roman Catholics are like you two and agree that this crazy single-faith schooling system is wrong.

Congratulations for being honest.

What do people here think actually goes on in a Catholic school???. When I went to St Andrews,
religous education was one half hour period a day,
hardly time to indocrinate us . Emphasis was on discipline and conventonal subjects. There must be some
non catholics here with kids at a catholic school.

I would be gratefull If you could comment on how
is it affecting your kids ?

By the way, the school remains one of the best performing in the country.

42. Billy

I think the people on here who have both eyes open (that's more or less everybody except Joe) are in agreeance that the splitting of the children at five is divisive. Nobody's really mentioned what's taught in said schools.

The fact of the matter is even senior Roman Catholic Church figures have admitted thses schools are divisive and the vast majority of people in Scotland, including a majority of Catholics, want to see them scrapped.

Billy Germany, The discussion needs to be widend to reflect other religions and other aspirations. I'll say again verbatim from post #9
"State funded faith based schools will be the undoing of our society. Get the kids integrated as the adults are a lost cause. Let them school together, play together, learn together and be tolerant of each other...and most importantly, let them have their faith based training under the supervision of their parents and church OUTWITH the school environment.
Faith based schools should be scrapped now"
This isnt an anti Catholic school debate as I attended both Catholic primary and secondary....

Agreed with #45.
We are the people who need to make the difference, no-one else.
Let the kids have a chance...

Dear oh dear so Graham thinks people will vote how religious people tell them to vote. Have you no religion, who tells you who to vote for and do you vote because someone told you to. People vote for who they want, for your information it's called democracy.

It's the usual reprobates just showing their religious bigotry and airing their anti Catholic bile.

Yes close all religious schools and ban all Orange and loyalist marches in Scotland.If you are to tackle it then tackle it all.

Now why do I have the feeling the same people yapping about religious schools being closed would not be so happy with banning such parades.

Let's sit back and listen.

I agree with No.1 we do not want another South Africa, we have had enough of this with Catholic Schools and Protestant Schools, in this day and age the schools should all be one.

# 47. John, London.

Your belief that the adherents of religious organisations are not persuaded to vote in accordance with their leaders desires is, I'm afraid, totally misplaced.
As far as people voting for a party as their conscience should dictate, then this again, is not always the case.
Too many people vote for the party their parents voted for. Still, at least, democracy permits them to do just that.

47. John

Your paranoia knows no bounds. You lost any argumant you may have been trying to put forward the second you reverted to type and branded everyone who would like to see an end to single-faith schools funded at the tax-payers expense a religous bigot.

The majority of CATHOLICS want this schooling system scrapped, are they all religious bigots too? Your views on this should be hilarious.

We're all out to get you! Don't look behind you!

#47 John London. Well well well, how surprised am I that a fairly sensible thread has been hijacked like this as I predicted back in post 18. Sad John, and yet no answer to the numerous points and questions asked...just ban Orange parades and such like!...Henry Kissinger must see you as his protege! not

# 48 Gerald, UK.

As I understand it, the mainstream schools are not termed "Protestant", rather they are non denominational.
I agree with your view however.

#47 Am I anti-Catholic too John? I'll need to tell a few people that one! Pretty sad state of affairs that you cant join in with this sensible debate without letting the side down with that kind of post.
Deary me

It's all very well to say that we'd be better off with integrated schools but isn't freedom of choice more important?

Secondly, since ethnic and religious conflict is a reality would you really want your own children going to school with lots of Muslims given how many of them hate us? Wouldn't it be better to let the hard core Muslims recite the Koran or whatever they want to do in their own school and inflict a little less multiculturalism on the rest of us?

It's easy to say integration is a wonderful idea for everyone else's children but the likes of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton send their own children to the most monocultural school they can find.

54. Dougie

Eh.......wouldn't it just be easier to keep religion out of schools altogether then no-one would have to listen to "the hard core Muslims recite the Koran" as you son succinctly put it?

The vast majority of people in Scotland don't want to pay for faith schools. You only need to read 47. John, London's paranoid rant to see the problems they cause.

Freedom of choice is very important and should be part of the equation but I think that the thrust of what some of the (non abusive) posters have been saying, is that getting the kids together is really the only way to move this forward.
I agree that it will be initially fraught with danger, but I suspect that in the long run, if kids go to school and grow up together, there will be a huge difference in attitudes. I'm Scottish and can only talk from a Scottish perspective, so dont know how this would pan out in England.
Its a good point you make though Dougie, that seems to rise above the normal religious demarcation lines that are prevalent on this thread.

Take note of George # 57's comment. The end result in a nutshell! - not immediately, but ultimately.

John (55) We already have to pay for the Muslim children to go to school whether it's a Muslim school or not. I agree totally that there should be no religion in a mainstream school. However the more schools are integrated, there more ethnic/religious conflict there is.

In practice, schools segregate by themselves anyway because people tend to move their children away from the schools where another ethnic group dominates - or whites do anyway. Often, parents can only achieve this by paying for expensive public schools.

All I'm saying is that if the Muslims can have their own school right from the start, it's more pleasant for everyone else and everyone - Muslims and non Muslims are happier.

George, 57 and Bessie, 60 - this may be true in Orkney but I suspect that having relatively non European immigrants might be the larger reason for community harmony!

# 62. Dougie, Edinburgh.

I suppose it will be to an extent.
We are often reminded that we are now a multi- cultural society. Indeed we are, but it is a divided society because of the failure of certain factions to integrate and adapt to the culture of the host nation.

I have no problems sending my kids to the same schoool as RC,muslim,jewish whatever.That way they will learn to avoid the prejudices that our society has forced on us.If bigotry still persisits then we know its the fault of the religious leaders for example,it will make Scotland/Britain more tolerant and we are the people who can sahpe the future for our kids.One school-all faiths.

David, 64, what if tribalism (or bigotry if you want to call it that) is just a natural part of human nature?

Because that's what behavioural psychologists think and who can study history and doubt it?

Religious leaders might exacerbate it but if it's already part of our nature, isn't forced integration just going to make the problem worse?

It's interesting to note that most of the terrorists we've seen in Europe have been relatively well integrated into their host societies, at any rate familiar enough with our Western culture that their hatred can not be blamed on ignorance or prejudice.

65. Dougie

There are areas of Scotland, the North East for instance, where are little or no problems with the old Kafflik/Proddy thing.

Interestingly, the same areas don't have state-funded faith schools in abundance.

#64 agree David, "If bigotry still persisits then we know its the fault of the religious leaders for example,it will make Scotland/Britain more tolerant and we are the people who can sahpe the future for our kids.One school-all faiths"
We are indeed the people who will who have that responsibility

You couldn't make it up. Where 51, did I say just ban orange marches.

It certainly shows that some on here are just blinded by their hatred of Catholics. Half of the comments have not even mentioned Muslims but then you degenerates live in your little enclaves where you wouldn't know an Imam from a greyhound.

Taking away church schools will do nothing unless you stop the sectarian marches.

After all Catholic and other church schools exist harmoniously outside Scotland. Seems it's the cavemen bigots up north who need to be removed from society.

But hey who expects rational argument or debate from such myopically viewing contributors.

Thanks for the contribution John. Let me clarify without mentioning banning Orange Parades (which is what you did in your post ) ALL faith schools should go, non-denominational, Catholic, Hind,Sikh,Muslim,Jewish whatever...all kids should be together, grow together and shape this country...together.
I couldnt care less about parades as it has nothing to do with this discussion despite your obvious desperation to make this about Ornage parades and anti-Catholic something which everyone lese has managed to avoid.
Rell yer dafty neck back in with your slevvering about something that people frankly are sick to the back teeth listening about.
Myopic!?
Mr Kettle, have you met Mr Pot?
Sheesh

Touchy 68 we're getting there, yes the truth is starting to ooze out.Let me quote you as you seem bereft of the capability to grasp the point, "just ban Orange parades and such like!"

As I asked, where did I say this. Now as I expected no more than the reality dodging that you obviously excel at.

So we're going to take away all the faith schools and the problem is solved, wonderful so why then does no problem of faith schools exist outside Scotland.

As well as all religions having to cede their religious school they will still be burdened by the usual pontificating planks demanding to march the streets pouring their hatred and inciting intolerance.

But hey according to the fantasists on here just denying children their church school will solve the problems of the world.

Oops silly me the world doesn't have problems with Catholic schools just in the retarded republic of Scotland.

But now lets hear that orange parades are nothing to do with sectarianism, I love listening to you people, Now just run it by me one more time how it is that the nasty Kafflik skools shood be shut but the Orange and loyalist parades should be allowed.

This is one worth waiting for

"you people"? Jeezuz chripes Im an Orangeman now!? I can assure you I am not and never will be one of them...ever!
Post #47 extract "It's the usual reprobates just showing their religious bigotry and airing their anti Catholic bile.
Yes close all religious schools and ban all Orange and loyalist marches in Scotland.If you are to tackle it then tackle it all." ....If you are saying that because (and if I'm misrepresenting you please correct me) I havent advocated banning Orange or Loyalist or Republican parades etc, then my view on moving education away from Church based (both Christian and non-Christian for ease of complexity) is bigoted and anti-Catholic? Let me assure you I couldnt care less. I'm pi$$ed off at defenders of the Catholic church ramming views down my throat when there is clearly no need. I am advocating NO faith based schools in Britain. If it means banning marches to satisfy your strange view then fine, ban them all! And what s with the "truth is starting to ooze out" patter, is this your point to me ? Do you think I'm a Rangers fan or staunch Protestant? Wrong on both counts. Tell you what though, based on all the view on this thread I know who is the most inflexible to date.
Really is scary

Yes very touchy indeed, your bile is blocking your vision, now show me where I said you were an Orangeman. It never fails to amaze the amount of things people claim to be in a post that is not there.

I don't give a toss for the Catholic church, I couldn't give a monkeys if it shut down tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it.

The simple facts are that no church schools cause any problems anywhere else than Scotland and Ulster, now I may not be the brightest pea in the pod but it's quite clear that only these two little hick entities have a problem with religion and it's nothing to do with islam or Jews it is the inherent anti Catholic bile that emanates from every orifice of the mentally challenged.

If taking away church schools is going to solve so many problems why then not advocate it for the world. Sadly for your argument the world has no problem with church schools, it's only the little back water irrelevant third world country of Scotland residing with it's cavemen mentality.

As I expected, ask about bannigt all the contributory factors in the bigotry of Scotland and the cry of intolerant or inflexible.

Those claims fell out the window donkeys ago and no one with a modicum of intelligence would ponder tackling one issue without addressing the other.

I also don't give a monkeys what team you support etc etc. The fact you want to argue one case as the be all and end all of bigotry shows your argument to be flawed beyond repair.

Now shout all you feel like about schools, without tackling all the situation then I don't see you as anything else than narrow minded.

No faith schools, no religion in schools. It's simple.

I get it now John, I dont agree then I'm narrow minded. I'm genuinely trying to have a debate on here with you, but you have twisted everything Ive said.
I'll leave you to it if you dont mind.
And for the record, I am offering one view (which I happen to believe is the best) you do nothing but try and twist what I say...I havent seen anything from you, not one thing. I dont want to argue about bigotry to forward this case, you are the one obsessed with it hence why you are bringing it up in every post.
Couple of points mr touchy, I'm happy to discuss the contributory factors if it moves things along...100%, hopefully that addresses that. I have no problem with it.
I dont co-relate my view that religion (or intolerence) causes so many problems in this country. My view is based on a UK wide, all faiths position.
If I could just say one last thing. My view is that all schools are for learning. If the will of the people is that they be Faith based then fine, I dont personally agree with it. I couldnt care less if they are Hindu Muslim or Jewish, its just my view.
It is disingenous to exclude the main churches in Scotland in the debate and lets be honest, Christianity is by far the largest faith in Scotland (regardless of make up)
So, My view is based on one fact. I believe that if we want to ensure peace as a country (bith Scotland and England) then we need the children to take the lead. For them to take the lead I believe (again personally) that there should be no religion brought into it as all religion does is cause problems.
that is it.
It is not an attack on any religion in particular, but religion in general.
There are no insults, no hidden agendas nothing. I still dont understand why you have felt the need to talk about "shouting about schools" etc I aint.
Its a point of view, thats all.
One last thing the comment "As I expected, ask about bannig all the contributory factors in the

John 71

Come on now John. Be fair. theres just as much bile and bigotry comes out of us Catholics mouths as comes out of Protestants mouths. And I dont agree with seperate schools as well.

John 71. Looks likle someone has their cyber lala headphones on here.
I cant actually see where you have discussed anything, just pick holes. Seems a strange way to "debate" to be honest.

Paddy I didn't say bile or bigotry only came from one side, did I?

Maybe there are subliminal messages in my posts that I can't see but I doubt it.

What I did say was that you cannot tackle religious bigotry in Scotland by just looking at faith schools.

Faith schools cause no problem anywhere else. I don't really see the point of having them in this day and age when the majority don't attend any church. But to put one issue up as though closing Catholic schools IS the sole stumbling block to solving the religious bigotry in Scotland is naive in the least.

I'll go further, no Catholic school taught it's children to hate or blow themselves up in the name of religion.

Islamic schools admit they will instal religion and force any non muslim pupil to wear islamic uniform. So freedom of choice for them to wear the veil but they don't accord freedom of choice to any non muslim girl who god forbid ended up in their school.

We have already seen the case for not funding Islamic schools. Hatred comes first and girls treated with contempt. The reason we allow it is the claim it is their culture. So women who sacrificed their life's for freedom of opression must be turning in their graves as we allow cavemen the chance to abuse women and young girls in this country because they simply refuse to adopt our cultures and heritage.

John 76.
Well now John. You did speak of "anti Catholic bile".
Its talk like that that causes too many problems.

Did I say that it was one way traffic, quite a few posters in the one head methinks and all getting confused about what is actually said.

Hope some of our MSP's read these comments and act accordingly.
Just "tuned in" recently, and found a lot of humour and a lot of sensible ,cogent argument. Keep it up!

#76 That post is the first Ive seen where I see where you are coming from. Seems fair enough tbh. Just wonder what the end game is? Should the Christian schools stay more or less as they are ? The reason I ask is that one way or another something has to give as I understand it. Either Muslims attend Muslim schools and adhere to the values and rules, or money is set aside and paid out to fund Muslim only schools...
Tricky one

Aw poor Stanley can you not see any debate, just picked holes. What like picked holes in a flawed argument do you mean. No forget it why try to converse with the shallow gene pool.

Correct Stanley, here have you met Mr Livingstone?

Have you noticed Stan the medical advances that you can have life after brain death. Well Done.

eh?
So that is your answer? My you really do have a problem.
"shallow gene pool"
"life after brain death"
A horribly superior and frankly unpleasant way to act. Where TF did that come from?

# 81, John.

Just presume he has met Dr. Livingstone.
If there can be life after brain death, you should be grateful to the medical profession.

I remember only too well my School days in the 40’s in Glasgow. Catholics hated Protestants just because they were Protestants and Vice versa. No logic, no reason, just hatred. It wasn’t until I joined the Royal Navy and mates laughed at my attitude, did I think to consider my position. Today I am an Agnostic and I hold the firm view that not only should there be no faith schools but religion should be banned from the curriculum.

Leave children to find there own way in there childhood relationships and we will have a saner and more mentally balanced society.

In an earlier post someone pointed out that we elect the people who have the power to make decisions in these matters – we can also remove them from office. Let us tell the councillors what we want and the consequences if they don’t comply.

They already have Muslim only schools and the racism and bigotry emanating from them is tangible.

The Islamic school uniform case in Luton was instigated by islamic extremists. The school had a muslim school uniform acceptable to all but the taxpayer had to fund the Prime minister's wife to represent these extremists to take the case all the way and still losing.

It was initiated by the girls brother who is a member of extremist group Hizb ut Tahrir. This shows these fascists are abusing the system to attempt to eradicate our cultures.

The upsurge of wearing the veil is also from islamic extremists. Channel 4 aired a programme named 'The Veil' it showed young, naive young Muslim girls being brainwashed in to wearing the Veil, the tutor brainwashing the girls, Omar Bakri Muhhamad, the extremist scum hiding in Lebanon.
Some day soon to a school near you will descend the Muslim extremists claiming it's their religion to wear a veil in school.

Show me anywhere in any book or Koran does it say about the veil. This was initiated by cavemen.

Women are treated like vermin and if they are stuck in the same school with a muslim only staff then those girls will be abused until they accept subjugation to the cavemen of Islam.

There is a huge problem descending these shores and the matter of catholic and protestant needs to be shut down for good because the intolerance of Islam is to be funded by the taxpayer.

The creation of Islamic schools will lead to the abuse, both physical and mentally of young girls and the continuance of forced marriage by their racist and bigotted parents. We have paid to create a taliban society that is segregated from the cradle to the grave.

I hardly think a Catholic school goes anywhere near such a scenario.

Usually Sally men discover the astonishing brain dead fact on their wedding day and you certainly don't buck the trend dear.

Stanley your contribution to thids debate has been what exactly old chap. You post as Stanley and then as Sally are youy troubled by your sexuality, now is that a Catholic sexuality or a protestant sexuality?

#85 I think John that the mere fact that we in Scotland have a fairly parochial view of this problem speaks volume for the "small town" attitude we have (myself included) I am blissfully ignorant of the real impact that the spread of Islam will have on us. Quick shifty on Hizb ut Tahrir site has one or two interesting things there...couple of paragraphs caught my eye intially "In the West, Hizb ut-Tahrir works to cultivate a Muslim community that lives by Islam in thought and deed, adhering to the rules of Islam and preserving a strong Islamic identity. The party does not work in the West to change the system of government, but works within the boundaries of the system.

The party also works to project a positive image of Islam to Western society and engages in dialogue with Western thinkers, policymakers and academics. Western governments, under the banner of the War on Terror, are currently working to present Islam as an ‘evil ideology’. Indeed at the heart of this campaign is to malign the Islamic ideology as an alternative to Western liberal capitalism. Because of this propaganda aspect to the War on Terror, Hizb ut-Tahrir works to develop opinion about Islam in the Western countries, as a belief, ideology and alternative for the Muslim world."
We tweak here and there and that becomes a whole new ball game.

eh? Sally at the weekend was a phase!...sorry to disappoint you John but fraid not. Sally is Sally is Sally I'm afraid.Still you carry on being your usual self. Making friends and preaching to the world.
do you post as a lady on sites yourself? :-0

Posting as a lady is ok John, dont worry!
Perhaps I can recommend Sexual Inversions? Perhaps old Karl Westphal is a bit more ahem up your street?

No more postings from me. Don't want to muddy the waters.
Just accept that Sally is Sally and I don't have any inclination to use any other name.
Anyway, continue the debate. I'm enjoying it!

Well touchy, just a wee bit. The government wants to proscribe Hizb ut Tahrir.

Dig deeper and find who founcded their cause in Britain. Omar Bakri.

This group promulgating their hatred in our educational system is banned in most Muslim countries but this government is gutrless in tackling them.

Our Prime Minister's wife was overtly fighting their cause in a British court.

They don't accept man made laws and advocate that they cannot vote for any political party. So how do they expect to change the system?

This group which is banned across the globe with Luton activists jailed in Eygpt and Iraq were peddling their hatred on many college campuses in Britain.

This odious group have had meetings attended by numbers that the BNP could only dream about.

The London Arena meeting 15th sept 2002 was attended by at least 6000 Muslims, all cheering a Palestinian imam giving speeches that Hitler would have given his eye tooth to have made.

These people are being funded by the British taxpayers and the main aim of this group is to hoist the black flag of islam over Downing Street.

As they cannot vote for any capitalist constitution how do they expect Britain to become Muslim.

Thank the lord the Poles have arrived to water down the Islamic onslaught. A good Catholic country comes to save Britain, should we not build more Catholic schools to thank them.

My goodness where to start. On with the armour.

Many points, but none good enough to bring down RC schooling. RC schools will exist as long as RC parents want them. Full stop. When they no longer want them, they will organise themselves in the same way as in other parts of the country and throughout the world. No problem there.

The "news" that most RCs don't want RC schools is a revelation to me, all my friends and family must have been lying to me for years. And I'm confused as to why the local school is bursting at the seams. Oh I forgot, it's the best wee school in Scotland, that's why. And to think the locals took to the streets 20 years ago at this invasion of Popery into their midst.

Most RCs already appreciate that their existence in Scotland is divisive, tell us something we don't know.

The problem with Scotland is there aren't enough Protestant Faith schools, teaching their kids that the Papes aren't that bad, really. I would also like some "secular" schools teaching whatever they teach and including some empathy for us poor deluded Religious folks. Because we suffer from an inordinately low IQ unlike them, right?

I'm all for Muslim schools, give control of the faith aspect of their teaching to the Muslim majority, who do not promote all the terrors described on here. In fact they are decent folks just like you. That is the best way to combat intolerant views scuh as attitude to women; by education in the correct context. That's one of the reasons the RC "syllabus" is inspected and protected by law.

Referendum? What kind of country is this? That would certainly put a damper immigration. I can see it now. Come to Scotland, leave your culture and religion behind, 'cos ours is better! We know best!

Go ahead, call me a sectarian bigotted, short sighted close minded moron. I've been called worse in this great wee country of ours. And that didn't deter me either.

Good night and God B

Keep religion out of politics and school!

Good to see that racist Osama Saeed spouting his usual condescending, 'Muslims are better than non-Muslims' (with its concomitant barely-submerged 'the white indigenous populace of Scotland are worthless infidel scum whom Muslims do not want to mix with and be 'polluted by' subtext) garbage that he always seems to be allowed to spout. Why is this clown allowed to comment on anything?

Religious schools DO breed sectarianism. Growing up in Falkirk people who went to Falkirk High (as I did) were always aware of people from St. Mungo's, a scant half mile or so away, as being from the 'other' school and when we walked round a corner in our maroon uniforms the green St. Mungo's uniforms would part like oil trying to mix with water.

Islam and Catholicism are outdated religions; ALL religions are outdated and must be superceded if humanity is to have half a chance at getting along. Of course this will never happen, as each religion claims human traits (brotherly love, morality, etc) as being 'divine' and 'God-inspired' and sneers at anybody not on a religious path. I am SICK of ALL religions, which are the cause of a good chunk of the world's problems today.

But unfortunately I can't leave this planet with all its religious idiocy.

Sigh.

Pantheism! you know it makes sense!

Pantheism! You know it makes nonsense!

71. John

"now I may not be the brightest pea in the pod"

At least you got something right.

93. One eyed Joe.

Quote:

In 1992, 47% of catholics were in favour of phasing out separate schools (source: Scottish Election Survey) and in 2001, this number had risen to 59% (source: Scottish Social Attitudes Survey). A recent survey by the National Centre for Social Research showed 81% of Scots in favour of ending separate Catholic education with only 13% in favour of retaining it.

Clearly the RC friends and family to which you refer are narrow-minded bigots, like you.

Quote:

SEGREGATED Catholic education is 'divisive' and 'enables sectarianism', according to the Bishop of Motherwell, Joseph Devine, who is president of the Church's education committee.

'Denominational education is an enabler of sectarianism. Roman Catholic schooling is divisive,' says Devine. But he adds: 'Sometimes it's a price worth paying.

The last census showed the Roman Catholic population of Scotland to be around 16% of the total population. Only a quarter of that 16% attend church regularly. The rest really can be &rsed. And you want the rest of us to subsidise seperate schools?

Yes I see the IQ of East Kilbride has not improved and the one grey cell is obviously locked up away from John 98/99

Obviously the problem of religious education has passed you by, in fact all education has eluded you.

Just to give you a wee bit of education, you don't subsidise any school, the money is given per heid in the school, though getting funding for one's like you is a god send as idiots don't cost much, just a wee widden bench fur ye to park yer jacksy aw day.

100. John

Once again you open your slabbering mouth (but not your tiny mind) and out drops another gallon of drool.

It is a statistical fact that running two seperate schools is an additional burden on the tax-payer when one would suffice.

Have a think about it and see if you can come up with a reason why. Don't be all day now.

I see you didn't bother to address any of the statistics I provided. They didn't suit your agenda did they?

Clearly Catholic schools should be closed, As should non demoninational schools too.

Jewish, muslim, girls, boys, church, private - close them all at once!

This will leave the children sufficient time to forage for berries in the forest.

99. Interesting stats John EK. The most interesting thing is you have them to hand.

Of course the only poll that matters is that RC parents send their kids to RC schools en masse. And I don't need a survey to know that. It's also significant that 20% of the pupils there are not RC. The schools are doing a great job. No point in closing them because people who don't use them don't like them.

We all know their existence causes division and we all differ on why that is, but whatever your persuasion, they do not teach sectarian bigotry. They teach the opposite.

The fact that others can't stand that, is unique to our country. Sectarian bigotry comes out in the streets and the homes, not from the teachers.

Down the road from you, where the schools are full, there is no difference in the cost of education. In fact the RC High School has the lowest cost per pupil.

Where schools are under utilised and the catchment has fallen, amalgamation or shared resources makes perfect sense. From memory, 'cos I don't keep a book on it, this is already happening. Despite the tabloid storms about seperate doors and Crosses.

I would welcome a poll of the people who use RC schools, they pay for them after all. 16% of the population is a lot of poll tax. I suspect the RC Church would welcome it too. Neither of us need this perpetual nonsense.

As for the insults, they don't help your argument.

104. Joe

The stats are at hand to everyone Joe. There's this thing called "Google", you'd be amazed at what you can do with it.

The fact that you have admitted "their existance causes division" yet still wish that they remain really says more about you than I ever can.

They don't teach sectarian bigotry? Here's a letter printed recently in The Herlad. The author clearly disagrees.

Education should not indoctrinate

IN HIS Sunday Essay supporting the retention of Catholic schools, James MacMillan suggests that those who oppose faith schools "are making the simplistic error of confusing difference with division".

When I was five I had to travel four miles by bus to an old, crumbling Catholic school when my pals were going to a brand new non-denominational school built in the field at the end of my garden.

At my school we were told by a priest that we should not mix with children from the "Protestant" school. Forgive me for being simplistic, but I would call that divisive, not different.

MacMillan goes on to suggest that the 1918 Education (Scotland) Act be used to help establish more faith schools. To be fair to other faiths and cultures, perhaps our education system should provide in-school clinics offering clitorectomies and circumcisions?

While they are at it they might as well make provision for kids to have days off to attend Orange walks or extra holidays to facilitate forced arranged marriages.

Before the Education (Scotland) Act reaches its centenary our MSPs might want to think about introducing legislation to give us schools fit for the 21st century. Like politics, religion should be taught, not practised, in our schools.

Education should not be used to indoctrinate but to provide the information young people need to make their own choices in life.

John Robins, Dumbarton

John, there are many things in society that cause division. People take sides, it's a natural thing. But we don't all clamour for the eradication of everything we don't agree with. Or do we?

I feel sorry for the poor souls who have been traumatised by going to school when they where five. I really do. The further away from being at school they get, the more traumatised they become.

In my street kids go to five different secondary schools without any apparent trauma. I gather the schools have many doors too. Who knows how it will affect them in forty years time.

It's an interesting letter John, but I've heard it all before.

No John the schools are great, the teaching ethos and environment are second to none; only last week our local RC school was on telly for being so marvellous. The best in the country. And you would have it closed.

It's outside the schools we have a problem.

Sure it is Joe. Bigotry is taught at home eh? But only in Proddy homes is that it?

When nine out of the ten top performing schools in last years Sunday Times list were from the non-denominational sector, are you really gonna be all triumphalist because one RC school's done well? You are beyond parody.

If you learn to use that Google thing I was telling you about, look at the WORST performing schools too Joe. You may get a little surprise.

The people of Scotland don't want seperate schools. The majority of RC's in Scotland don't want them either. Senior Roman Catholics have admitted they're divisive. YOU have admitted their divisive. Time to scrap them.

PS What about the RC teacher in the letter telling his pupils to stay away from Proddies? Tsk, what a character eh? Wonder if his bigotry was taught at home?

"the teaching ethos and environment are second to none"

How do you explain this then Joe?

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A study published by Dr Harminder Battu, an economist at Aberdeen University, on Tuesday, revealed that, on average, Catholic men in Scotland earn 4.5 per cent less than their Protestant counterparts.

Dr Battu attributed this difference not to sectarianism but to differences in qualifications. "This work suggests that any discrimination that Catholics encounter is not based in the labour market," Dr Battu said. "The lower average wages among Catholic males are mainly the result of events outside the labour market - such as a lower rate of acquisition of qualifications."

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"In 1999 a doctoral student at Edinburgh University, Michael Rosie, showed that almost one in three of prisoners within the Scottish prison system (30%) is Roman Catholic while only 15% of the Scottish population are Roman Catholic."

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"The assumptio

That damned Google again eh Joe?

Catholic schools trail in exam performance

Paul Lamarra, Sunday Times , 13 June 2004

The theory that Catholic schools produce better results than their non-denominational equivalents has been exploded by new figures obtained by The Sunday Times.

Catholic schools in Scotland consistently lag behind state schools in key exam results, according to official statistics, which reveal that their pupils are less likely to obtain three Highers - the rough equivalent of the Leaving Cert - than the non-denominational peers. Over the past three years 21% of pupils in Catholic schools have achieved three Highers or more, compared with 23% of pupils in non-denominational state schools.
The church seized on a study carried out by Edinburgh University in 2000, which suggested that working-class children attending Catholic schools were more likely to pursue further education. However, the latest figures reveal that Catholic secondary schools in Glasgow are performing below the local authority average. The area is the heartland of Catholic education in Scotland with 11 Catholic schools and also comprises some of the country’s most deprived communities. Nevertheless, Peter Kearney, a spokesman for the Catholic church in Scotland, insisted single-faith schools were academically superior. "Our understanding is that Catholic schools perform above average," he said. "When you take into account socioeconomic factors and compare like with like, research would tend to suggest that pupils in Catholic schools do better than their peers."

Ronnie Smith, the general secretary of the Educational Institute of Scotland (EIS), the country’s largest teaching union, said: "I would take issue with anyone who said denominational schools are better or worse. There are a variety of outcomes. "The biggest factor that affects a child’s performance is their parents’ educational achievement. Par

I'll leave to your googling.

Good decision Joe. Quit while your losing buddy.

A victor at last! and the most worthy one
Good research by you John, and too much supposition and self delusion from Joe.

111. I'm afraid his supremicist Goebell's-like "the schools are great, the teaching ethos and environment are second to none" had to be challenged. Elitism (and downright lies) at their very worst.

Well John107/108 Let us just peruse a few wee snippets of the lurid facts you're relying on.

"An Observer article in 1989 quoted statistics" 17 years ago

"In 1999 a doctoral student at Edinburgh University" an unqualified student from 7 years ago

Add to that some spiel from over two years ago, my oh my how things stay the same in some places.

Now as I endured a Catholic education and clearly not as bright with google as you have aspired to be. Please tell me where I can peruse the wonderful figures you claim.

I would like to see these figures seeing it seems Scotland is such a bad place for education that they are now hiding the tables.

Let me just ask one question to finish off. Will closing Catholic schools solve all the sectarianism in Scotland. Not to difficult a question is it?

I only managed to find these tables, sort of throws out the church schools being failures but hey as soon as I see your glut of verifiable statistics I'll have to change my mind.

Look forward to seeing your facts.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4490268.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4490326.stm

John. Are you the same John from post #71?
"I don't give a toss for the Catholic church, I couldn't give a monkeys if it shut down tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it". Not sure why you are arguing the point.....
Arent there any Scottish Catholic schools on these tables of yours? Its just that I thought that the quotes you are responding to were about Scottish Catholic schools?

113. John

Oh dear John, and you have the gall to challenge MY statistics? Only you could produce two tables of figures for ENGLISH schools to back up your claims of academic and moral superiority whilst discussing a West/Central Scotland problem! If brains were legs you'd be a snake!

Perhaps you could also explain the prison statistics, or did I make them up? Don't tell me, it's because of masonic judges, policemen and procurator fiscals eh?

Then you can address the RC Bishop who claims seperate schools contribute to sectarianism? Is he a bigot for saying that? If so, was his bigotry taught at home?

82.1% of Radio 4 listeners say faith-based schools should be abolished.

A BBC R4 Sunday programme poll in July 2004 found 254 in favour of abolishing faith-based schools, and only 57 against.

Ooooh those hate-filled Radio 4 listeners!

Was this discrimination and bigotry taught at home too?

SCOTLAND' S Catholic schools are under threat from new laws banningreligious discrimination.

Church leaders fear a wave of damaging legal claims after a Protestant teacher at a Catholic school revealed he plans to sue because his career
has been 'blighted by sectarian bigotry'.

David McNab, 53, says he has been repeatedly refused promotion because he is not Catholic.

Until now, Catholic schools have been legally allowed to offer some senior posts only to Catholics to 'protect' schools' religious identities.

But Mr McNab's lawyers say the UK Employment Directive, introduced last year, makes this illegal because it discriminates on religious grounds.

Mr McNab is now launching a legal fight against Glasgow City Council in a case which could overturn decades of tradition.

The maths teacher claims he was told not to waste his time applying for a post as a senior teacher because he was not a Catholic. He has been refused
promotion four times over the past 14 years.

His bosses at St

(FROM ABOVE)

I believe I do my job well and my colleagues agree with me, but I've reached a stage where I cannot progress my career because I am not Catholic.

'It is time that someone spoke out against the discrimination that is going on in Catholic schools.' Mr McNab, who earns £29,000 a year, says less
experienced teachers who are Catholics have been promoted over him.

'I am seeing much younger teachers with very little experience, who are Catholic, getting promoted and earning maybe £8,000-£10,000 more than me,'
he said.

'This has nothing to do with my abilities but I believe it has everything to do with bigotry.' The teacher claims that one in six of the staff at the
school, which employs around 60 teachers, is non-Catholic.

Catholic schools in Scotland are funded and controlled by the State ? but the Catholic Church has a major say in how they are run.

The first stage of Mr McNab's fight is likely to be a tribunal, but his lawyers may also use European human rights legislation.

He is appealing for donations to a fighting fund to help him raise up to £12,000 to finance the legal challenge.

NOW THAT REALLY IS BIGOTRY.

I wonder if any of our Muslim neighbours are reading this stuff. It's enough to make them plead for a holiday in Iraq.

Just checked with my kids there. Schools are still open tomorrow.

John EK, get yourself a life son.

John115/116 Well I provided figures you provide none but claim they are there. Where are these figures you allude to.

I have no need to search back almost twenty years or quote some wee unqualified student from 7 years ago.

I asked you to direct us to the figures you quote from the times, showing church schools to be so bad that's all. It seems to upset you that I question the veracity of your claim but all I ask is to view the figures.

Now the figures I published are quite recent and show Church schools to be out performing non church schools, anyone can work that out by just reading and looking at the numbers.

I only ask you to back up your claim. You can rant about anyone making any claim you want but all we ask is to see the figures you relate too.

I asked you one other question, quite simple, it was, do you believe closing Catholic schools will cancel out all sectarianism in Scotland.

Instead of a simple answer your off about the prison issue from nearly twenty years ago.

I could ask the same about England and black people twenty years ago but hey presto this country has evolved over the period, you seem to claim that Scotland is still the same twenty years down the line.

So far you have nothing to show me, you go back in history which is irrelevant to today.

Will you answer or is it another rant round the houses about to descend.

I look forward to perusing these figures.

Aw ye couldnae make this up, waiting fur John from East Kilbride to show us all about the failing catholic schools, he says the facts are there although he won't show the figures.

Let me help you John, here's an item from TODAY not twenty years ago.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5058456.html

Seems you might be a bit frugal with the truth old chap. I do hope you haven't been telling porkies but I trust you. I have no doubt that you will show us all that this artivcle is absolute rubbish and that every catholic school deserves to be closed because they ur wubbish!

You take your time John

Here's the classic john from East Kilbride, I quote you as I would hate to misrepresent you.

"MY statistics? Only you could produce two tables of figures for ENGLISH schools to back up your claims of academic and moral superiority whilst discussing a West/Central Scotland problem! If brains were legs you'd be a snake!"

So we're talking a wee West/Central Scotland problem and you want to ban every church school in the country to solve the problems of a few mindless morons in that area. Well now I wonder who is the moron on this subject.

Amazing how it narrows down to try to fit the square hole and by god you are a grave digger pal.

Now let me see, geography isnae ma strongest point but ah'm sure Glasgow is in the West/Central bit of Scotland, ur it wis the last time ah looked.

So the best school in the whole of scotland should be shut doon because a wee dod of numpties inhabit the stone age.

Yes John East Kilbride has not really set the world alight with it's forward thinkers. and you certainly don't buck the trend.

Now that the best school is Scotland is declared a tim wan in Glasgow do you no want tae narrow the parameters of the debate doon a bit tae maybe just your street.

All I can say after reading all this is, John from East Kilbride, your premature claim of victory has left you looking like a complete idiot.

You are shown for the rabid bigot that you are.

Your entire argument is seen for the juvenile debacle that it is.

Seems you're caught for the extremist you are.

Joe. 117

Do your kids have to use seperate entrances from the non-Roman Catholic kids? You know, like the elite white's did in Cape Town in the 70's?

John. 118.119.120

Ha ha ha ha ! Seems I've hit a raw nerve with you! Did you sleep last night? The figures are out there, they were given away on a CD with the Sunday Times. If you're that desperate to see them, write to them for a copy.

We've already visited the "top primary school" bit. Does that make all those we weans "morally and academically superior" in a sort of Master Race way?Shame non RC's won't be allowed to go if there's enough Catholics to fill it isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if all the wee weans could go to it together?

You've STILL to address the FACT that a Roman Catholic Bishop declared that seperate schools enable sectarianism? Is he an anti-Catholic bigot John? Still waiting on an answer from you or Joe....

Howzabout the National Union Of Teachers wanting an end to faith schools? Or the Association of Teachers and Lecturers wanting same? Are they a shower of masonic, proddy bigots John? Or just educated people who can see how divisive this system is? Do I need to go and find all the quotes for you John? Do you ask your priest to prove yon Jesus bloke walked on water? Or do you just take it as read?

You talk of "forward thinkers" John? A deluded individual who clearly backs the seperation of children on the basis of religion 40 years after Alabama stopped seperating children on the basis of the colour of their skin? And you talk of "forward thinking?" It is YOU who clearly has entrenched, bigoted views.

If I find the Times CD I'll cut n paste it for you okay John? Meanwhile if you see anybody turning water into wine give me a shout. I'm partial to a glass of red.

121. davy

Thank you for your imput to the debate. Now run along, your village is missing you.

John 118, 119 and 120

You never seem to give a valid reason as to why this school system should be retained whereas your namesake from East Kilbride seems to give quite a few good reasons why it should be scrapped.

You also said this:

"I don't give a toss for the Catholic church, I couldn't give a monkeys if it shut down tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it."

Yet you've spent three days defending their schooling system???? Do you realise how pathetic you now look?

Do yourself a favour and step out of the abyss. You are clearly a lying bigot.

Aw Stewart, now you're sounding like Billy fae Greenock, oops naw he's John fae East Kilbride now as well as Stewart. A lot of giros dropping in that abode.

Well let's just dumb it down, you all in your John fae East Kilbride mode claimed about all these failing schools.

Let me get this clear, Oor John fae East Kilbride says you only had to goodgle it.

I have simply asked for facts not some airy fairy notion fae some half witted student of seven years ago or some arty farty figures from nearly twenty years ago.

I like to see facts that relate to today's world. In return all I did was point out the only facts I can relate on the subject which shows that you in all your multi posting entity was talking nonsense.

Now the claim is it's on a cd, how did he manage to google a cd, see I'm missing some wizardry from the internet, I wish I could google a cd.

You want ever Catholic school in the country closed including the best school in the whole country because, you say it, there's a small problem in Central Scotland.

That means no problems exist in the rest of the entire country from John O Groats to Land's End.

It seems to anyone this side of care in the community that the problem is not thus Catholic schools.

I am not defending any schools what so ever I just didn't accept the lurid fables you were posting as John, Billy, Stewart or any other name you care to use.

You have brought the same subject up on many occasions and every time you claimed about these facts and every time you have failed to produce them, that's why no one would believe you because you can't google a cd son.

Ah think the heid is googled, now back to your other favourite the right of the Orange walk to march doon any street they want.

Yawn......Oh go on show the people how much of an IQ you possess.

So to sum it all up, the facts you ranted about are in fact just a fantasy in your fertile imagination.

I don't give

Oh wan wee aside, is the National Union of Teachers aw tims?

Straws grabbing at springs tae mind, kin ye wurk that oot.

John. Your arguments have now degenerated to the merely personal. I have to say that I hold no real view one way or the other on the schooling subject but, if your Roman Catholic schooling taught you to be the petty, obstinate,bad mannered, mono-viewed and intolerant bigot you appear to be then maybe it is time to take religion out of schools and put it back where it rightly belongs, in church.

Reading all these comments has been most enlightening and frightening.

I think we should all go off and do something else now and leave John to his intolerant rantings. He seems to be determined to have the last word no matter what level of psychotic behaviour he has to exhibit in order to get it. So, let him have it; the rest of us should get on with our lives.

Oh dear John you loony. So I'm multiple posting am I? Different names and all that? You are clearly someone who needs examined professionally. You're paranoia is deep-seated. I'm p***ing myself laughing at you here. You're a funny guy. A really funny guy. Laughing at you "son".

"you said the tim schools wur aw failing and the statistics show it, you cannae produce the statistcs."

Is that what I said John? Or are you telling lies again (a trait you seem very adept at). Telling lies to point score John? Only a bigot could stoop so low, and you John, are clearly lower than a snakes belly.

Giros is it John? Oh dear, you really ARE low. Did it ever cross your tiny closed mind that the reason I never posted from around 5pm until this morning is because I may have left work? Riduculing the unemployed John? You really ARE low aren't you?

I have/had the CD John. I've read it's contents. Curing the blind? What does the Bishop say about that? Did he dig out proof for you? Still laughing at you John.

You're ranting a bit now John. Have you covered your keyboard in phelgm? You're clearly losing it. Was it the Alabama reference that put you over the edge? Or the Cape Town one? Still laughing at you John.

Just you keep sticking up for your schools, and us adults will keep pointing out their many flaws.

You'd be out of your depth in an egg-cup.

PS John. I'm STILL laughing at you.

Well Brian unless you can produce the statistics about the Catholic schools then, yes, you should let me have the final word.

As you admitted, the problem is a small issue in a small part of Scotland where the inhabitants seem to have small minds.

It's not personal, the facts seem to clarify the point. Why close every Catholic school because a few people in Central Scotland demand it?

You fail to produce the statistics of which your whole tenuous argument stands or falls, the failing schools, they elude us all.

Now, no matter who you wish to post as, unless you produce those statistics then I doubt the veracity of your claims and I would think every rational person would do likewise.

No psychotic behaviour just rational points that show you to be frugal with the truth and with nothing you say substantiated then it would seem logical to say you're no more than a liar who created some fables to create your usual torrent of Bigotry.

Now when will you resort to type and give us your other gem Billy, Brian John, Stewart etc etc.

So as usual it's the Catholic schools that you wanted removed, no Jewish, Muslim or anything else just those nasty fenian schools.

You probably didn't even know there was Jewish and Muslim schools, you're too eaten up with your anti Catholic bile.

I don't care if the Schools do close but I do care about speaking out against loud mouthed, bigotted no brainers. You enjoy the rest of Halloween, see how many faces you use before it's over.

126. Brian

I will no doubt be accused of being you in the next ten minutes! John thinks me and all my alter-egos are ganging up on him!

Don't look behind you John ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Can someone from administration on this site take a look at this paranoid nutcases claims that I'm everyone but Mother Theresa and put him out of his misery?

John, you should have your own show. You're hilarious! Naw honest!

Still laughing at you......ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

They're all after me!
They're all after me!
They're all after me!
Im telling my mammy
I'm telling my mammy
bigots bigots bigots bigots, no brainers no brainers, bigots bigots...
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. I fart in your general direction!

No IM John!

Oh look John. My whole Orange Lodge/Masonic Lodge/Ku Klux Klan Group/Rangers Supporters Bus * have logged in now to laugh at you!

We're ALL laughing at you now John. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

Watch out for low flying broomsticks tonight!

* delete as appropriate

Aw naw John! It's wan o' those facts you don't like again! Wan o' thay "proddy" skools cream of the crop! But will it be up to date enough for you? We should be told!

Scottish State School of the Year
Sue Leonard

Dunblane High School


Boasting strong leadership, community spirit and some of the best examination results in the country, Dunblane High School is the 2005 Sunday Times Scottish State School of the Year.

You didn't look very hard did you John? Two RC schools in the top 50 eh? Kinda blows away Joe's academically and morally superior inferences eh?

Now will you be man enough to apologise now that I've granted your demented request? I don't believe you will.

21. davy

I put it to you that YOU are the only idiot around these parts. Learn to keep your slabbering mouth shut unless you've something to offer the debate.

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:JQB-RXKIl_wJ:extras.ti...

now I am not John or anyone else but i do find it hilarious when people of a certain persuassion revert to type when faced with facts they do not like.
they lie,accuse ,divert,deflect and then lie again.

If that is the result of an apartheid education then the sooner our kids can learn to live and learn as one the better.

128. John you said this (when you were insistant I was Brian).

"It's not personal, the facts seem to clarify the point. Why close every Catholic school because a FEW people in Central Scotland demand it?"

I have already proved to you that the vast majority of people in Scotland, including a majority of Roman Catholics (presumably the ones with both eyes open, unlike yourself) want faith schools scrapped. Why did you use the word FEW? I would suggest it's because you are a bigoted liar.

"You fail to produce the statistics of which your whole tenuous argument stands or falls, the failing schools, they elude us all.

See The Sunday Times League Table I have produced on post 135. You're looking extremely stupid now aren't you John?

"Now, no matter who you wish to post as, unless you produce those statistics then I doubt the veracity of your claims and I would think every rational person would do likewise."

The rational people to which you refer have made their feelings known John. They see you as an irrational crackpot and bigot. And they're right.

"No psychotic behaviour just rational points that show you to be frugal with the truth and with nothing you say substantiated then it would seem logical to say you're no more than a liar who created some fables to create your usual torrent of Bigotry."

Now who created the lies and fables John? I can safely say you are without doubt the biggest clown I have EVER debated with on these messageboards. By a long-chalk.

PS Still laughing at you!

136. Baillie

Half the lies John tells are just not true!

Too many John's on this thing but I do believe John from East Kilbride has absolutely wiped the floor with John the bigot!

Oh, and John the bigot, my name is STEWART.

S - T - E - W - A - R - T.

Still at it?

My kids will be home soon. I wonder if their school will be closed tomorrow?

No chance.

:^)

140. Joe

I would certainly think it will happen in the next 25 years Joe. The people don't want them, they cause unneccessary cost to the tax-payer, they are divisive, they are not academically better and democracy will prevail.

You'll still be able to send your kids to learn their religion at church though. You can drop them off on a Sunday on your way to the pub.

John 128

I’m sorry, John, I’ve always held that if one is reduced to the use of personal invective in any discussion then the argument is lost. If you wish to misrepresent me and make this personal, then so be it, as this frees me from the constraints that stop mr answering you in a similar vein. For the record, I am not East Kilbride ‘John’ nor am I masquerading under any other pseudonym for that matter. This is my second post on this thread. I have popped in, occasionally, to read, but until earlier today, not add to the debate.

Anyone, even an apparent psychotic like yourself, john, who chooses to undertake a textural analysis of my post and those posts of the ‘East Kilbride John' would notice the obvious difference in syntax, punctuation, grammar and vocabulary and would conclude, rationally, that the pieces are the work of different authors. Of course, since psychotics are anything but rational, John, we can exclude you here.

My absence from this continuing debate is due to the fact I'm just back in as I have been out working. It falls on some of us, it seems to me, to create the wealth that allows others, like you, to sit about at keyboards all day honing your prejudice and nursing your, to me, obvious paranoia.

That you choose to invent enemies and conspiracies when someone (or, in your case, more than one) has the temerity to challenge, even gently, your immutable beliefs betrays, to me, the traits of a bog standard psychotic. For this condition there is only one answer:

“John, you’re right, I’m wrong; enjoy the rest of your life.”

I’m sure, given time and your mental obsession with having the last word – another standard psychotic trait – you will come up with a reply to this post. To you, this work will appear to be a masterly piece; rational witty and unanswerable proving you to have been right all along (this necessity being the probable basis but, obviously not the cause, for your psychosis). Un

140 Joe.

Remember your Master Race statement?

"No John the schools are great, the teaching ethos and environment are second to none"

In view of the Sunday Times figures produced that clearly show they are everything but "second to none", do you wish you'd never made that statement?

Just wondering.

I'll take Brian's sound advice, but first I need to correct an earlier post. I said 15% of the school population went to RC schools, that was incorrect. It is 21%, that's 126,000 Scots children.

Presumably they have parents and grandparents like me who pay their taxes to pay for their education, and presumably they all have a vote. They all have an opinion and they all have a choice. They vote with their feet. No stats necessary, fact of life.

406 schools. Who would have thought it? What a free thinking country we live in.

They've been under attack by some sections of society for over a hundred years. Yet I think they'll be around for another hundred. And I have no doubt they are unaffected by this litle spat.

John EK; you could form a political party out of your passion. That would put Scotland on the world map again. Or just join one with a similar policy, they do exist, albeit on the fringe of politics. I will not vote with you.

The other John, your wasting your time, there will always be John EKs, they're insignificant in this discussion. Walk away. The argument was won a long time ago and it is enshrined in Law.

Give the Muslims their school, and then leave them in peace. And while you're at it, leave us in peace too.

Ciao

144. Joe

You sound like a dying man, and I don't think even you believe half the drivel you have just typed.

That fact that you still fail to grasp simple economics and statistics like for instance two seperate schools costing more to run than one or 80-odd percent of people in Scotland wanting these schools scrapped (and 59% of RC's wanting same), makes your arguments pretty weak.

Neither you or John The Bigot have managed to explain the 59% who want them scrapped Joe. Are these Catholics anti-Catholic bigots Joe? We should be told!

You also fail to address your triumphalistic "oor schools ur the best" statements which have proved to be totally unfounded (lies to you Joe).

If you're referring to the likes of the BNP Joe, once again you show your complete lack of knowledge. They're in favour of MORE Christian schools. Says it all really, same views as you! Don't think they'd be too keen on your "give the Muslims their school" idea though!

Finally, your backing up of John the one-eyed bigot tells us all we need to know.

Why oh why can't wee Johnny and wee Joe just go to the same school? Then wee Joe can go to Church on Sunday (and wee Johnny too) and learn religion if they want. It all seems so simple.

:^)

145. Joe

That was marginally more intelligent than your last answer.

Where does Bible John come from?

Well as usual I wasn't to be disappointed by the evidence presented. Outdated and skewed. It tells you that in many other places, you avoided printing those facts. It tells you that the s4 and s5 numbers give misleading figures.

I won't even go down the other contributory factors as you quote from the souces but omit these other figures so why bother. You knew these were there but in your quest to show distorted figures you show yourself in a true light.

Here try this one in London

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,3321,00.html

Click on value added, just a little government fiddle. The best school is a church school. Sir John Cass Church of England

Now if we had to look at the school it is 95% Muslim, the finance it receives is fiddled to fk and has Muslim prayer rooms.

These schools dominated by Muslims are being abused and the pupils are receiving the most expensive education in Europe.

If you really wish some ammunition for your bigotted crusade, find out the extra funding given to the Catholic St Albert's and it 90% Muslim pupils.

Check how much funding is given for English as a second language. The best one I ever came across was a Muslim dominated school getting extra funding for having children of large families.

I don't know how dumb some are on here, I can only assume John from EK is a lonely child.

Any child from a big family learns from their siblings. A point accepted rather embarrassingly by a racist London council pandering to the Muslim vote.

So it boils down to this John, you don't subsidise any Catholic school, the funding is simply by the napper, if that nit riddled heid moves then the money to educate it moves to the new place.

The tims pay 15% of any major building works, funded by the church but financed through the chapel collection, so in effect tims pay more to educate the weans. O

I have to accept Brian is a seperate entity from John from EK.

I did think the standard of education emanating from that direction seemed to be above the ground level that John of EK embraces to death.

I apologise unreservedly to Brian for accusing him of being John.

I accept his intelligence is of a far higher plateau than his pal. I just ponder on the fact that no matter how literate the fluidity of the written word that emanates from his good self the rants permeating from his every oriifice still show Brian to be no more than the extremist anti Catholic bigot.

Shutting the Catholic schools is easy, getting rid of the anti Catholic loyalist bigot is a bigger problem.

148. John

Aaaahhh, so now it's all becoming clearer. Not only are you a bigot, you are a racist bigot too! You're happy with "little fiddles" to keep RC Schools in existance, but not Muslim ones! Do you see how pathetic your argument looks? Probably not.

I have furnished you with quotes from anti-sectarian group spokespeople that declare seperate schools to be divisive. Presumably you brand them sectarian bigots (despite the fact that one of them is a Roman Catholic).

I have given you a quote from a leading RC Bishop in which he tells us RC schools enable sectarianism. No doubt you'll tell us he's an anti-Catholic bigot!

I have provided numerous figures and statistics indicating any "Master Race" notion of RC schools being academically or morally superior is utter lies, fabricated and perpetuated by bigots (are you listening Joe?).

I have provided figures that show the majority of (sensible) people in Scotland, including a majority of (sensible) Roman Catholics, want this education system scrapped. You'll no doubt tell us they're all anti-Catholic bigots.

I have provided you with proof that RC schools operate a sectarian employment policy, contrary to European Law.

You on the other hand, have provided absolutely nothing of substance. You have accused me of being a bigot, under-educated, using pseudonyms and probably the Moors Murders if you thought you could get away with it. You further accused me of lying about league tables and then when I produced the figures and provided the link, you haven't had the common decency to apologise.

You have lied with regards to the cost to the tax-payer of funding these schools (and don't ask me to Google it for you again John, I'm fed up making a fool of you and frankly can't be bothered).

John, you are the classic "rent-a-gub". A know-all who knows damn-all. The office mouth-piece who bores all his colleagues to death. You can't see further t

Oh, one other thing John.

I am not a member of an Orange Lodge, a masonic Lodge, a political party or a Rangers supporters club. I have many Roman Catholic relatives and friends. Thankfully none of them are one-eyed bigots like you.

Your final lines gave you away John, the ones about "extremist anti-Catholic bigots" and "getting rid of the anti Catholic loyalist bigot".

John, racist bigots like you do more harm to the cause of those who wish state-funded faith schools to remain than anyone like me ever could. Your paranoia is now legendry around these parts.

PS I'm still laughing at you.

#149 "no matter how literate the fluidity of the written word that emanates from his good self the rants permeating from his every oriifice still show Brian to be no more than the extremist anti Catholic bigot"
John, you sir, are utterly bonkers.
I fear for any of your extended family if this is the "stuff" that spews out. Doyou take strong pills perchance? Utterly bonkers

John East Kilbride

If ever a point needed proved you have adequately stepped on to the podium to collect the gold.

Anger against Muslims is racist????

Wonderful stuff, eh'm just fill me in, what race would that be?

Racist, yes indeed a classic.

Church schools will not be shelved because unlike the wee narrow minds in yer wee parochial gold fish bowl existence the vast majority of people in Britain want church schools.

Silly little boys with ulterior motives will not change it and if you think your tiny bit of the country will give up Catholic schools without the cessation of Orange parades then you are even more naive than I ever thought you were.

You have no intention of tackling sectarianism then again your kind never do. Too deep rooted.

Headshrink, Being on the proverbial fae 6 last night tae avoid halloween and firing it up watching the champion's league, ah'm quite pleased ah wis able tae string two wurds the gither. However ah'm jist getting started now fur the night's adventure and the two wurds to sum up my feelings with regards your prognosis is ball
licks.

I take it you're private as the NHS wid hiv a waiting list tae hear anything fae a doktur

John

I should have taken my own advice and not come back to read anymore of this ‘low comedy’ but, here goes. You make no cogent or even coherent reply to any of my points and comments but you come out with this:

"Shutting the Catholic schools is easy, getting rid of the anti Catholic loyalist bigot is a bigger problem."

Now, I've read all my comments again and there is nothing in them that could begin to justify your accusations against me. For the record (again): I am not a loyalist - by whatever definition your troubled mind can come up with. - If, I were to refer to myself as anything, I would probably call myself a Scottish Republican Socialist. Hardly the type of person, I think, likely to be invited to become a member of those secret ‘cabals’ that exist (but only in your mind, I fear) to create conspiracies in order to destroy The (Roman) Catholic Church. I am not anti (Roman) Catholic, the last time I checked all Christians are members of the 'Catholic' or Universal church; the claim by Roman Catholics that they ARE the Catholic Church appears to cause as much resentment amongst the Orthodox Churches as it can amongst the Protestant ones, but, I digress.

At first, I thought you were just winding up some of the more easy targets on this thread or that perhaps you are a Jesuit - despite your lack of discipline in your arguments, but, now I am beginning to think that you are genuinely living in a different world than the rest of us. The necessity to have everyone as an adversary who does not agree in total with your views – to the extent that you start to project his or her thinking – and your general air of: ‘contempt prior to investigation’ belies someone who really should seek psychoanalytic help.

Your daft denunciations of me are worthy of the Stalinist era in the Soviet Union or Hitler’s Germany. I would have said: “worthy of the Inquisition condemning the Heretic” but If I had I’m certain you would have

#153 "You have no intention of tackling sectarianism then again your kind never do. Too deep rooted"

"your kind"? Those that disagree with you john?
As stated previously, you are bonkers fella.
But you are outstanding at getting the last word in right enough!

Oh such eloquence Brian but the plain and simple fact is that taking one of two problems out of the equation will not make the second problem evaporate.

The Orange parades are as much a contentious issue as catholic schools.

Closing catholic schools without facing the problems of Orange walks will result in catholic schools closed but still the same olsd sectarianism.

In fact it would rise given that Catholics could rightly say they sacrificed their children's schools and the other side did nothing.

You can give chapter and verse all day long but you cannot tackle the cancer of sectarianism by tackling only one side.

That's the problem that not one of you has the temerity to speak about. In fact I believe one poster did voice agreement on the issue but it sure was not you or EK's dullard.

So why don't you make your view public on the issue. Is it just tim schools to go or should the prods gie up their marches.

I look forward to your retort.

Heidshrink, naw, just the morons that don't know a race fae a religion.

John the Bigot,

What does your nurse think of all this? You do have someone watching over you I presume? You said:

"Church schools will not be shelved because unlike the wee narrow minds in yer wee parochial gold fish bowl existence the vast majority of people in Britain want church schools."

Aw naw John, it's that Google again, enemy of the lying bigoted idiot! Just how many lies are you prepared to tell you complete and utter imbecile? Can I now put you on my mantlepiece? Do you have anyone you know who's a little cleverer that you and may present a bit of a challenge? Still laughing at ya John, along with everyone else it would seem.

Two thirds oppose state aided faith schools

Download the poll in full (pdf)

Matthew Taylor, education correspondent
Tuesday August 23, 2005
The Guardian

Faith schools, a central plank of the government's education reforms designed to increase parental choice, are opposed by almost two thirds of the public.

A Guardian/ICM poll published today shows that most respondents are against ministers' plans to increase the number of religious schools amid growing anxiety about their impact on social cohesion.

The survey reveals that following last month's terror attacks, the majority of the public are uneasy about the proposals, with 64% agreeing that "the government should not be funding faith schools of any kind".

The government is due to publish proposals in the autumn which will make it easier for independent schools, including Islamic, Christian and Jewish institutions, to opt into the state sector, accessing millions of pounds in funding.

The Department for Education and Skills has already given the Association of Muslim Schools £100,000 to make the transition smoother for more of the 120 independent Islamic schools.

Yesterday Barry Sheerman, chairman of the Commons education select committee, warned that religious schools posed a

154. John

I would suggest you're permanently drunk. Do you need alcohol to give you courage to tell all the lies you tell? Or do you find solitude in drink because none of your colleagues like you? Seek some therapy, you're completely off you trolley.

Still laughing at you though.........DON'T LOOK BEHIND YOU!

One other question John. Does the state fund Orange parades? I genuinely don't know because I've never been to one. I'd imagine you have though. You probably travelled miles on a bus to be offended.

John the Bigot

153 you said this:

"Anger against Muslims is racist???? Wonderful stuff, eh'm just fill me in, what race would that be? Racist, yes indeed a classic."

148 you said this:

"A point accepted rather embarrassingly by a racist London council pandering to the Muslim vote."

So, what you have in fact said is that anger against Muslims is NOT racist, whilst supporting Muslims IS racist!

Do you realise how pathetic you look AGAIN?

You are without doubt the most bigoted, ill-advised, one-eyed, foolish, brain-dead, paranoid eEjit I've ever had the displeasure of debating with!

And do you know what? I'm still laughing at you! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Let me break it down for the dullard.

I said:""A point accepted rather embarrassingly by a racist London council pandering to the Muslim vote."

The council is made up of left wing racists who discriminate against the white indigenous population and pander for the Asian muslim vote.

That is racism as in discrimination by race and colour of skin. This is a council that build homes for Asians only with the commission for racial equality threatening to get involved. That is racism.

Muslim is a member of a religion, it is not a race.

I know it's difficult for someone from the goldfish bowl to know much about the big bad world but what I said is factually correct and what you said is ball and licks.

I can't be ersed trawling through stuff as I have beer to drink but here's a wee bit that shows the tims make a contribution tae building and repairs, aye the thing you said doesn't happen.

As you seem to hiv the time in your life to just sit aw day trawling the net, check over subscribed schools, check how far people are willing to go to get their children in to church schools.

Church of England being proddie schools so do the proddies in england hiv tae cede theirs to in order to placate your wee twisted napper.

Whit aboot the jaffa cake walks do they stay? Come on now, you want to portray yersel as the anti bigot but not one word against Orange parades, that's why no one believes the nonsense that emanates fae yer every orifice.

See yer pal has went quiet rather than air his views of the Orange battalions, do you think the Orange lodge will agree to no marches.

So come on let's hear yer view, once again ah'll ask, do you think banning jist tim schools will remove all sectarianism.

Rant roon the hooses aw ye want but try to give a relevant reply.

http://www.st-peters.hants.sch.uk/folders/c

http://www.st-peters.hants.sch.uk/folders/contact/diocesa...

Christ better put this up, don't want the dullard saying ah'm hiding it and that the tims don't make contributions tae buildings and repairs.

It's aw oot there, you kin spend aw day trawling it some of us hiv tae dae real wurk.

You just peruse at yer leisure and don't furget tae tell me if the tims don't pay extra money.

So you prods get your education cheaper.

Now how aboot the walks.

Beer to Drink again John the Bigot? I'll ask you again - does it give you the courage to tell lies or is it because you're a lonley, one-eyed crashing bore?

John, with regards to your Muslim "explanation", if you back-pedalled any faster you'd end up in the Dark Ages, along with your views.

You see John, you're off on one of your rants about the orange order again, but you wouldn't answer the question. Are they state-funded? Yes or No?

I'm actually in favour of single-faith schools IF they are privately funded by those who want them. That clearly won't fit in with your agenda. Are you in favour or Orange marches IF they are privately funded? (and I honestly don't know if they are, although I doubt the government pay for them). Or do you just hate Proddies and that's it? I think we all know the answer.

You haven't addressed a single point or statistic made/given. You've lied continually and been caught out.

1) The Bishops statement re faith schools enabling sectarianism.

2) The anti-sectarian group spokespersons statements re faith schools being divisive.

3) The census that shows the vast majority of people in Scotland don't want faith schools.

4) The census that shows the majority of R.C.'s in Scotland don't want faith schools.

5) The poll that shows the majority of people in Great Britan don't want faith schools.

6) The BBC R4 poll that shows the vast majority of people want faith schools abolished.

7) Reports and statistics that show RC schools don't out-perform their non-denominational equivalents.

8) The court case that shows certain faith schools discriminatory policies with regard to employment (contrary to European Law).

You stated 3 days ago you couldn't give a monkeys about the RC Church yet you've spent all this time defending their schools. How do people know you're lying John? Easy, your lips move. Halloween's over John, you can take your mask off.

You contin

John, some reading for you when you sober up:

RIOTS: Probe deals blow to faith schools

by Andrew Turner

THE Government's plan to establish more single-faith schools suffered a major setback today as a report into this summer's terrifying race riots said the education policy could increase ethnic tensions.
The comments came in a Home Office-sponsored investigation of the violence at Burnley, Bradford and Oldham, which caused damage worth millions of pounds.

The investigation exposed a "polarisation" in Britain that has led to races leading parallel lives.
It proposed that single-faith schools should give a quarter of their places to children of other religions or cultures, to improve links between white and ethnic minority groups and avoid a repeat of this summer's disturbances.

Experts said in their long-awaited review: "A significant problem is posed by existing and future mono-cultural schools, which can add significantly to the separation of communities.

"The development of more faith-based schools may, in some cases, lead to an increase in mono-cultural schools but this problem is not in any way confined to them."

Education Secretary Estelle Morris has said she is committed to allowing more Christian, Islamic and Jewish schools to be built if parents want them, and the plans have the backing of Prime Minister Tony Blair, himself a devout Christian.

Today's report of the Community Cohesion Review Team, chaired by former chief executive of Nottingham City Council Ted Cantle, backed the Government's stance that such schools should be "inclusive".

But it added that faith schools and other schools which happen to be dominated by one ethnic group because of their location should give "at least 25 per cent" of places to youngsters from other backgrounds.

The rules should apply to state and independent schools, added the Cantle Report.
Ted

Murial Gray Sunday Herald 20th November 2005.

“Agendas such as those of finding new ways to let private companies into public services to make a profit, and allowing religious nutcases to set up even more “faith” schools with our tax money in which to ritually abuse innocent children’s minds and ensure that there will always be a nice new generation of irrational, vain, self-obsessed bigots to keep conflict alive.”

Murial talks of "irrational, vain, self-obsessed bigots who keep conflict alive."

Recognise anyone John?

Haw John The Bigot, guess who said this:

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction. And a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. . . We need believing people."

Someone you probably hold very dear.

If there's one place on these islands where religious intolerance has been a major problem in recent years it's Northern Ireland. I think it would be fair to say it's population are better qualified than any of us to comment on the pros and cons of faith schools.

"Over the years Integrated Education has attracted its fair share of both supporters and detractors and the growth of the integrated sector has not been without opposition. Opinion polls* however continue to show widespread support for the concept of Integrated Education and this is demonstrated by the increasing number of parents all over Northern Ireland who seek Integrated Education for their children."

* An Omnibus Survey by Millward Brown Ulster, showed that 81% of people in Northern Ireland believed that Integrated Education is important to the peace and reconciliation process in Northern Ireland.

John the bigot will tell us they're all anti-Catholic!

Has the Scottish government consider using a voucher system, which has been under consideration in different places here in America? Public schools(non-sectarian tax-payer supported schools in the USA) receive public funding by the local school district, but religious non-public schools do not. Under this plan, parents who enroll their children in religious or "charter" schools would receive vouchers to pay for at least part of the tuition. I think that this is a good idea because the parents who send their children to religious schools pay taxes to support "public" schools, but are saving the "public" school system money because the students are not using the "public" schools. In many areas, especially large cities, the religious schools are superior to the "public" schools.

The Orange Order
There are a number of organisations in Scotland which are alleged to be or are seen to perpetuate sectarianism. Two such organisations are the Orange Order and the Order of Hibernian.

The Orange Order state they 'are an organisation of people bonded together to promote the great ideals of Protestantism and Liberty.' They state that they exist to:maintain intact the Protestant Constitution and Christian heritage of the United Kingdom;cultivate Christian character, promote brotherly love and fellowship;expose and resist by all lawful means every system opposed to the mental, political and spiritual freedom of the individual.

Many of those who join the Order do so for faith and friendship in the belief that they are celebrating their Protestant religion and culture.

Others believe that the Orange Order perpetuate sectarianism, particularly since they hold marches whose routes often go past Catholic churches or through areas where many Catholics live. This can often lead to verbal and sometimes physical abuse.

The Orange Order maintain that they are peaceful and that the incidents which occur are caused by people who follow the march but are not members of the Order. The Orange Order maintain that it is their right to march and that their marches are along traditional routes.

This right to march is protected by the European Convention on Human Rights provided it is carried out responsibly.

Well it is exactly the same fur the tims an their schools, their rights to a tim school is enshrined in their human rights.

Anyway ah've wasted enuff time on someone lacking credibility.

Ah don't care aboot the schools.

The fact is that Catholics pay more than you for their weans education. You subsidise nothing. Education is funded per head and then the tim wans contribute to major building work and repairs.

Listen why waste aw yer time trying to dodge the situation, you only want rid of catholic sch

Anthony, I think you'll find that what John fron East Kilbride imagines is that if catholics want their religious school then they forfeit all right to any funding for their child's education even though they pay taxes.

Like I have tried to point out, education is funded per child at a certain amount each. All children are entitled to that certain amount in vouchers, cash or ginger bottles.

Each child has the same amount and can do what they like with it, that would be freedom of choice. No child is getting any more than any other, it's not rocket science to the vast majority but sadly the point is that these people giving vent on here are the neanderthals holding Scotland back from entering the new world.

They can't face the prospect of getting shot of religious schools and taking the contentious religious marches off the street. Only the removal of Catholic schools matter to people like John from EK.

You cannot eradicate bigotry by only tackling half the problem that creates it but that is what these people propose and in that instance you will never rid Scotland of it's cancer.

John, I can't make my mind up if you're obtuse, disingenuous or just plain thick.

No-one on this thread, certinly not John from East Kilbride, is arguing aginast freedom of choice to educate your kids in a faith school.

What he, I and most sane people think is that in a largely secular society the state school sytem should reflect those values - and for decades the overhwleming opinion of the majority of UK citizens, in all parts of the Kingdom, is that faith schools shouldn't be funded by the Exchequer.

Those, like you, who favour apartheid schools simply ignore this, and ignore the fact that those who oppose state funding do so for all faith schools and not just Muslim, Roman Catholic, or Jewish ones.

Your attempt to portray those people opposing faith schools as bigots is intellectually bankrupt.

If an overwhelmingly Roman Catholic country like France can have a successful secular education system, why can't we?

Or are the RC Church and C Of E afraid that they'll have 'their' schools taken away?

John the Bigot

"Ah don't care aboot the schools."

Bwahahahahahahaha!! You must have had a few last night!! 3 days defending them, posting at ten o'clock at night, and you "don't care". You're a complete loony!

You STILL haven't addressed any of the 8 points made above! Not one!

I'll ask you again, are the "Orange Marches" of which you speak funded by the state? Yes or No? And do the Orange Lodges have state-funded schools which Bishops, anti-sectarian groups and the public in general all agree are divisive? Yes or No?

You don't half like banging on about the Orange Lodge do you? I am not a member and never will be. I've already stated such, but it suits your agenda to paint me as some kind of grand wizard, as opposed to someone who just want to pay for all our kids to be educated together.

You claim that the right to state-funded RC schools is protected by European Human Rights Law. Once again you're talking through your rear-end! Don't you think the RC Church would have used this as a weapon had that been the case? The Education (Scotland) Act of 1980 governs the provision of Catholic schooling. It can easily be repealed. Try night school instead of the pub and educate yourself.

Michael McGrath, director of the Scottish Catholic Education Service (SCES) said he is "seeking to defend against the forces of secularism, consumerism, and simple cost effectiveness."

John the Bigot, please explain to me this "cost effectiveness" to which Mr. McGrath refers. Go and do some research, because I'm fed up doing it for you. If you insist building and running two seperate schools 100 yards from each other bears no needless burden on the tax-payer you are sadly deluded. And please, look for independent studies and statistics. Don't come back with more pro-RC website propaganda. Keep that for your gullible mates down the pub.

Amazingly in 169. you admit that faith schools

Sorry John The Bigot, I forgot to give you an answer to the little conundrum I posed you. I asked you who said this:

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction. And a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. . . We need believing people."

It was Adolf Hitler John, from his speech - 26 April 1933 - leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933.

Do you have a strange wee moustache and a funny walk John?

Well Anthony if the state as you suggest did not fund faith schools they could do as previously suggested and give the voucher system where you get the funding for your child, the same amount that everyone else gets and you take your child where ever you wish to have your child educated.

If enough people go to a religious institution then you still have church schools. Now that's the freedom of choice that John from EK does not want accorded to church school pupils

What you are saying is if you don't take what we give you then you get nothing. Freedom of choice removed.

It matters not a toss to me about the schools, the freedom to choose is what people bang on about but you don't want it to extend to everyone. Now it's not difficult to work out.

If these people take their funding where they want then they are not getting any preferential treatment. Therefore there is no need for the argument.

Equality, freedom of choice, that's what people have. Now do you think that if the church going pupils don't give up their faith schools then they not get any funding even though their parents pay taxes like everyone else.

I notice that the knuckle dragger is defending the contentious marches of the Orange Lodge. It matters not a jot if they are state funded, who polices them and who pays the police. But anyway you prove quite admirably how much you care about tackling bigotry and sectarianism.

You epitomise the cancer of Scotland, attempt to blame every social problem on Catholic schools without looking at the other side.

You should read the anti sectarianism information you bang on about. It's all they bad kaffliks an their schools, nuthin tae dae wae the Orange walks, they ur a social club.

Yes didn't you tell us you even hid a tim pal, your no a bigot, it's aw the tims whit is the bigot You want to tackle bigotry so the orange walk cannae be stopped cause it's no state funded. Whit a shallow gene pool.

No wonde

John 157
I think you're fighting on too many front now, resulting in the confusion of me with some of the other posters on this thread. The only mention I've made of the Orange Order is to counter the implication that you have made, that I may be a member of or an apologist for, said group.

Since it seems to be a personal obsession of yours and to which you impute the ‘real’ blame for religious intolerance in Scotland, I have had a search around the Internet to find out some information on the Orange Order (I must admit that, hitherto, I knew little and cared less of the organisation). From what I have read your use of separate Roman Catholic schooling as an argument against your perception of the Orange Order as a instrument of anti -Roman Catholicism is a non-sequitur. The Orange Order is an organisation with a shrinking membership, which appears to have less relevance and power in today’s society than you would like us all to believe. The Orange Order in its apologia states itself to be a Christian organisation aimed at promoting Christian beliefs and promoting what can, for the purposes of brevity be described as the ‘Protestant work ethic’. I might add that can only judge on the evidence laid before me. It would appear that this, like many other of your fallacious arguments it is predicated on the necessity for you and your ‘views’ to be ‘right’. It’s a wee bit like Freud who often came up with the answer he wanted then worked backwards in order to come up with the ‘proof’ for his argument. Freud was guilty of producing pseudo research in the field of psychology and you are guilty of pseudo reasoning in this debate. In your mind, it seems to me that, if anyone has the impertinence to disagree with you then he or she is, per se, anti-Roman Catholic and bigoted. This is, of course, nonsense. This pseudo reasoning seems designed to allow you to gain the maximum justification for your faulty arguments while avoiding any unpleasant truth

I have spent 20 mins reading these posts and I would stop the fight if it was a boxing match.
John from EK has totally wiped the floor with John from???
He has provided facts to back his points up and not reverted to the way that is typical of a well beaten debater such as john from????

lets all share and learn together then perhaps our kids will have a chance.

174. John The Bigot

Am I back as Brian, another who clearly thinks you're a buffoon? And how about Stephen? Another one of my pseudonyms? C'mon, gives us another wee show of schizophrenic Paranoia....

Point 1-8? Address them? You can't can you? Numpty....

You numerous little faux pax, lack of knowledge and downright lies? Address them....

So I defend the orange lodge and I'm Mason Boyne am I? What part of this did your miniscule brain fail to grasp?

Post 151. "I am not a member of an Orange Lodge, a masonic Lodge, a political party or a Rangers supporters club."

As I've already told you, Murial Gray described people like you as "irrational, vain, self-obsessed bigots who keep conflict alive." I reckon she's hit the nail on the head.

Never mind, won't be long until pub time and you can goose-step down to your local and bore everyone to tears again telling them about bigoted councils who favour Muslims and discriminate against whites. You're not Nick Griffin perchance? No, sorry even Nick couldn't be as stupid as you.

Still laughing at you Adolf......ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

Oh one must conduct an argument properly, new one on me but I guess political correctness had to seep in some where.

Your diatribe certainly likes to travel around.

Like I have said previously, all you champions of closing church schools, or more specifically Catholic schools fail to address the other side.

Now you say the Orange order is diminishing, well all the more reason to stop the parades then.

No doubt you can peruse the anti sectarianism and that Orange parades are there as a contentious issue, there is also the Hibernian walks which are very few but which are also contentious.

Now a bigot like me would ban them all, they are totally unecessary in this day and age.

A bigot like me would have no problem banning all faith schools and giving parents equal funding to get their children educatedc wherever they wanted.

I am never surprised when this argument raises itself above the parapet.

The tolerant, anti racist, socialist, freedom loving politically correct activists lose their equality badge when you ask to get Orange walks banned at the same time as closing Catholic schools

Dullard Mason Boyne fae East Kilbride says the Orange walks should not be stopped because they are not state funded. The state only pays for policing and sorting out the aftermath.

We don't have state funded paedophiles so should they be free to walk the street.

You think removal of Catholic schools without any action against Orange marches would work.

It's like giving a Measles Mumps Rubella injection for cancer and cancer Central Scotland most certainly possesses. Just a pity the pontificating doctors on here just want to amputate one half of the tumour.

Mind you Mason Boyne from East Kilbride has sucessfully undergone a frontal lobotomy.

Brian you don't surprise me, just another trying to evade the issue but never mind until both issues are considered neither will be removed and the bigotry of Scot

Adolf.....I mean Nick...sorry John The Bigot

I notice that having discovered that Orange marches aren't funded by the tax-payer via some Orange, Masonic, Proddy Rangers Supporting Secret Government Department, you've now changed your tact to the cost of policing the things! My you're desperate!

In view of this, would you also like to see all football matches, concerts, the Glasgow Marathon, political rally's, legal demonstrations, New Year Celebrations, Gala Days and Special Olympics scrapped?

In fact, don't answer the Special Olympics part, just in case your views mirror those of Adolf again. I can see you sitting in your bedsit reading Mein Kampf....

John The Bigot/Adolf/Nick

"cannot face the facts"......."people in denial"

Points 1-8......address them you utter moron.

After you've done so, run that one past us about racist councils favouring Muslims discriminating against whites....that was an absolute gem.

Altogether now "Hitler, has only got one ball....."

One other thing John The Bigot......it may be inadvisable to start bringing up paedophilia during a discussion about Roman Catholic education....know worra mean?

John.

You are a racist bigot re your comments about Muslims, racist councils and poor whites.

You should be ashamed of yourself!

It's not me in desperation Mason Boyne, you made the lurid claim about the Orange walk not being state funded, I simply addressed the fact that they do use state funding to police it and clean up after it.

As for your witterings:"you've now changed your tact to the cost of policing the things! My you're desperate!

In view of this, would you also like to see all football matches, concerts, the Glasgow Marathon, political rally's, legal demonstrations, New Year Celebrations, Gala Days and Special Olympics scrapped?"

Now there's a point aren't Celtic and Rangers both tackling the bigots in their grounds, years late but at least a start, and why should any other event be scrapped if it's not inciting bigotry.

You can traverse the subject in any manner you wish but the Mason Boyne mentality shows your true light and potentially your as bright as a two watt bulb.

No matter how much you bump them silly gums of yours they damn Catholic schools will be staring you straight in that wan eye of yours and it's blinded wae your wee proddie bigotry.

Ooop did you no claim you wur an athiest!

Keep gon Mason Boyne, yer no the brightest pea in the pod but ah dae enjoy seeing that proddie bile emanate oot yer big oral orifice.

Anyway ah cannae sit here talking tae a numpty aw day, ah hiv tae dae sum wurk.

By the way whit time dis that library close!

John #182. Im afraid you have allow John East Kilbride to completely win the argument. Time after time on this thread (which has taken ages to read by the way!) you resort to playground tactics and your points are lost in a flurry of insults and pretty heavy bad mouthing.
Bottom line, quite a few people would be inclined to listen to your compelling view if you backed off a bit on the insults. No doubt you'll insult me or my family for having the temerity to highlight something?

John The Bigot/Adolf/Nick,

I do believe you're running out of material! You're not very good at this debating game at all are you? Why not try that Muslims/councils/racists/whites classic just one more time? It was side-splitting.

An other thing that strange about you (one of many). You break into some kind of pseudo Scottish/Glasgwegian slang half way through every post - is that connected to your schizophrenia?

Point 1-8....tick...tock...tick...tock...tick...tock...

Oh look John The Bigot, we have a Sarah from Winchester now declaring you to be a racist bigot. Is that me with lipstick on? DON'T LOOK BEHIND YOU!

Points 1-8.....tick...tock....tick....tock....

Not be long now John The Bigot. Jack-boots on and down to the pub to make an &rse of yourself again!

Points 1-8 tick...tock...tick...tock.....

Still laughing at you John The Bigot.....ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

JOHN - YOU ARE A RACIST BIGOT

183. Biscuit

The only thing he insults is my intelligence. I enjoy his wrath and enjoy even more ridiculing the RACIST BIGOT.

Be careful though, he'll turn into one of his other personalities in a minute and accuse you of being my Mum!

Tick....tock....tick...tock

John the faith school supporting muslim hating extremist loony-toon, you lost the argument two day ago, why don't you just accept your views are those of a minority and go and do something more useful?

Christ the library is busy today. Mason Boyne old chap you proved the usual point. No it's not a protestant problem it's just the nasty kafflik skools, the orange walks don't cos any problems.

Yes old chap and coming in as a woman or your other idiotic personnas can't take away your inherent ire against the Catholic church.

It is good to know that no matter how many posts and how people you post as, you cannot do a solitary thing about this issue because you are just a small minded unemployed prod with too much time to let that bigotry of yours fester.

Well let it fester cos they tim skools will always be there as long as bigots like you walk the earth.

Now why don't you take Sarah fae Winchester and yer pal fae Cumbria and go fur a drink in the TARDIS that you must be using tae traverse the country writing the same old keech. Now don't you panic aboot yer sexuality problem.

Now gon oot and support yer Orange walk, the bastion of Christian tradition. It's brilliant watching you, you cannae even think aboot it, it chokes you to contemplate that the Jaffa cake walks are no wanted by rational thinking peepel.

You couldnae say it, couldn't condemn them as being a contributory fact in the bigotry of Scotland.

It's brilliant, so bitter and upset, yer wee napper screaming inside, go on get it oot, go on resort tae type, Fenian etc.

Yer so screwed yer inventing morons fae yer heid tae try tae gie ye some moral support. Yer shot tae pieces pal, go on get it aw aff yer chest, blame us tims fur ye no hivin a job. blame they nasty kaffliks.

Yer a dillion of a plum. Hook line and sink estate dweller.

You will always have the tim skools as long as you have the dullard of East Kilbride.

Nae jaffa cake walks nae tim skools nae bigotry

End of my discussing this any mair as your just a wee numpty wae nae brain.

Heil Mary
Sieg Heil

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx lots of love to Sarah, does she interfere wa

John The Bigot/Racist/Schizo

"Yes old chap and coming in as a woman or your other idiotic personnas can't take away your inherent ire against the Catholic church."

I ask again, can someone on the administration side of things put this paranoid screwball right with his claims that I post as every man (and now woman) and his dog? Or can Sarah, Ralph, Biscuit, David, Brian, Stephen or whomever come back in if you're watching and prove once and for all that we're dealing with an escaped mental patient?

Remember John the Bigot, Brian was me too in your psychotic head, then you had to admit you'd made a fool of yourself. AGAIN. John, serious question, no mickey-taking - do you hear voices in your head?

"small minded unemployed prod" Oh unemployed am I? You make me giggle you glue sniffing half-wit. Obviously it's a gamble, but I'll wager I could buy and sell you. THAT'S why I've got so much time on my hands. Success - something you'll know nothing about Adolf. But I was brought up in one of Glasgow's shall we say "less desirable" estates until the age of eight. Does that suit you prejudices?

You really do hate "prods" don't you? So where did your hatred start? At home or at school?

Not bad, 4th paragraph before you broke into your slang Glaswegian persona. DON'T LOOK BEHIND YOU! Do you also throw your voice?

"It's brilliant, so bitter and upset, yer wee napper screaming inside, go on get it oot, go on resort tae type, Fenian etc."

Oh dear oh dear John the Bigot. You'd love that wouldn't you? You're REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrell now. Does nursey clean the phlegm from your screen? You're an absolute nutter - but you give me a giggle. Ha ha ha ha ha!!

"Hook line and sink estate dweller."

Aw naw John the racist bigot. Now it's John the Snobbish Racist Bigot. You really are a hate filled little maggot aren't you? Proddies, Muslims, councils, O

Ah couldnae resist wan mair wee punt before gon hame.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinio...

That tackles some of the garbage you hiv been mincing on about fae aboot jist after good Queen Vic turned her toes up.

Note as one should the comment aboot the 20 million frog skins on top of the tax.

Note the date being just over a week ago compared to you yapping way back to the last millennium.

Aw diddums wants to gie's his family history of being an under privileged child who succeeded in becoming an underprivileged adult.

My heart goes out to you. Wid ye like me tae ask the tim schools tae hiv a wee collection fur ye to go swim wae dolphins, see if it wid ease your bile against the nasty kaffliks.

Right aff hame fur a wee bit dinner.

Ah'll pop in later to see how you're getting on with some up to date information. Did you know Edward gied up the throne tae marry Mrs Simpson.

How much is a bag of chips in your era!

Aw diddums don't worry aboot yer sink estate, that's were aw the resentment breeds. Is there any day the library isnae open, ah widnae like tae miss anything ye want tae say.

Yer napper is gonny explode soon, hiv a fire extinguisher near.

Dae ye want me to read aw aboot yer poor upbringing, write it aw doon an ah'll read it and cry.............. laughing but it's a step in the right direction. Don't worry, blame it aw on the chance no tae get gon tae a kafflik school wae that tim pal of yours, ye wur mentally assaulted.

See ya Darling, xxx fur Sarah.

Heil Mary
Seig Heil

John I really think you are losing the plot as well as the argument. As well as being a bigot and a racist,
you think somehow that I am John from EK.

Do you really think that this argument only affects you and the other John.

You are a sad delusional man, who has now reverted to name calling and sexual innuendos to state your case.

John the Bigot/Racist/Psycho

HA HA HA HA HA! Your a scream. Did ye get yer "Gelsga patter" in Newton Mearns or Bearsden? HA HA HA HA HA!

Still laughing at you!

Now, points 1-8......tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock....

Your latest offering: "Dr Nichols is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Birmingham and chairman of the Catholic Education Service."

HA HA HA HA HA! Laughing at you even more! Is that REALLY the best you can do? How stupid you look again? What did you expect him to say? A really independent, non-biased view there. You are a prize plum! As I said before, the biggest eejit I have ever debated with round these parts. You have really proved yourself to be a basket -case. Whose opinions will you offer up next? The Popes? You're desperate and you know it.

No pub tonight John the Bigot/Racist/Schizo? I'll bet there will be a few sighs of relief down your local! Champagne all round!

Independent statistics please. Like points 1-8....

Your "napper" clealry exploded a long, long time ago! DON'T LOOK BEHIND YOU!

Tom Shields, brought up as a Roman Catholic:

"They say they have the same rights as other religions to bring their children up in state-funded Islamic schools. These people should have a look at how the regime of separate schools for Catholic children disfigures Scottish society. As a devout secularist, I take exception when self-appointed religious leaders try to impinge on basic human rights."

Sunday Herald - 7th August 2005.

That's what you call credible John The Bigot.

Here’s what Sheena MacDonald had to say in Scotland On Sunday 29th May 2005.

“And don’t write me off as a (Reverend David) Lacy-basher. I share his thinking on an integrated education system. Like him, I see no need for state-funded faith schools.”

Don't know what religion Sheena is John the Bigot, but she's sure as hell got more chance of being free-

190. Sarah

Oh no Sarah! Surely you're not inferring that John is a deviant, as well as a bigot, racist, Fascist and all round nut-job?

Surely not.

Please find attached some photographs of John the Fascist, Racist, Bigoted Schizo. See what you think.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=charles+Man...

It gets better by the minute, Mason Boyne declares "Dr Nichols is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Birmingham and chairman of the Catholic Education Service."

Aye and your calling him a liar for saying the tims paid £20 million on top of our taxes for the Catholic schools.

Aye your a gem, if it's Catholic it's not true. Whit a cracker.

Ah bet you cancelled Christmas when you heard it wis SAINT Nicholas, Did you inform the weans:"There will be nae papish santas in this sink estate hoose."

Sarah you really should get out more darling, after all Mason Boyne's heid is full of people.

You know what they say about women Sarah, a women should know her place is by the sink estate and in her man's heid.

Now you just climb back in darling and let him be a man again.

Well there are plenty of other posts and connections on that bishop's post to feed yer bile and hatred aboot us nasty tims.

Ah'm no gonnae gie ye anything fae me aboot yer orange ludge, after aw ah'm a rabid right winger.

Ah'll let ye eat yer heart oot at the looney left giein the jaffa cake battalions belters.

Noo what wull they be called ah wunner. Oh ah shouldnae dae this as ah've dun yer heid in.

Whit this was supposedly to be fur you was a wee anti catholic speech Noo ah've melted yer motherboard and yer incandescent wae rage. Fill me in wae yer poor upbringing again, that wis brilliant

Ah had a bad start tae ma life on the sink estate, there's a book and a film deal in this sorry saga. Aw too late, Angela's ashes beat ye to it. Oh god no they wur tims, we could do a film 'Mason Boyne The Formative Years'

Oh my father wore it as a youth

http://struggle.ws/pdfs/oopam.pdf

Fur Ireland jist change tae Scotland and yer looney leftie brothers are telling ye tae stick yer lodge where the sun don't shine.

No jaffa cake walks no churc

John, You are right in one instance........an ambulance is needed, for you. Your paranoia knows no bounds. What started out as a reasonable debate, you have turned into a circus with you unfortuntely being the star CLOWN.

This debate will continue long after you are taken away by the men in white coats!

John the Racist Bigot.

Morning to you. My my you're obsessed aren't you? Straight home from work and back onto this site AGAIN? Have you no life? No pub last night? No mates left? Bored everyone to death? Barred for attacking Asians? Ran out of drink money until pay day?

Quote: "I don't give a toss for the Catholic church, I couldn't give a monkeys if it shut down tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it." Welcome to DAY 5 of you defending seperate Catholic schools. Still laughing at you John the Bigot.....ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Points 1-8 tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock......

It seems Sarah's upset you John. Oh, and if you cared to look beyond the end or your Fascist nose, you'd see that Sarah was posting before you and I even appeared! Your paranoia again John the Bigot. DON'T LOOK BEHIND YOU! She really hurt you didn't she? It was her inference that you were a little pervert wasn't it? I think it was your crude references to masturbation that did it. You sad little man.

But then maybe you hate women, as well as Proddies, Muslims, Orange Lodges, Councils blah blah blah.....the hint was in your post to a lady who had the temerity to disagree with you 4 days ago:

"Usually Sally men discover the astonishing brain dead fact on their wedding day and you certainly don't buck the trend dear."

Why women John the Bigot? Do they intimidate you? Did Mrs. John the Bigot leave you because you were a crashing bore? Or did you hit her for disagreeing with you? Did your mammy used to make you wear tights to school? Seek help John The Abuser.

What do you think of women who inhabit the "sink estates" you love to refer to? Should they all be sterilised? Adolf would probably think so....

And to think you were banging on about Muslims mistreating women! How stupid you look - for the umpteenth time. You are a one-off.

Seems that everybody who disagrees with your one-eyed views is ME! You just can't bear the

John the Pervert,

I was perplexed by your sudden turn to the politics of Northern Ireland, and your Adolf-esque “Catholics will outbreed Protestants” slabbering. Your constant references to “tims” and “tim schools” however, tell me a lot about you. So I thought I’d do a wee bit of research.

You seem to think that 'Catholic' automatically means 'Nationalist'. Wrong again. Guess how many Catholics vote for pro-Union parties and who consistently say they would vote AGAINST reunification? 25%. The figure for Protestants who are pro-Unity is under 10%. This ensures unity won't happen through outbreeding. 43% of the North might be Catholic but they're not all nationalists. You have shown yourself once more to be an ill-informed bigoted clown. Was your hatred taught at home or at school?

John the disturbed, what a very strange place you live in. Try as I might, I cant actually see you answering ONE of John the EK man's questions. Not one. aslo, to remind, have youo addressed any of these? :-
1) The Bishops statement re faith schools enabling sectarianism.

2) The anti-sectarian group spokespersons statements re faith schools being divisive.

3) The census that shows the vast majority of people in Scotland don't want faith schools.

4) The census that shows the majority of R.C.'s in Scotland don't want faith schools.

5) The poll that shows the majority of people in Great Britan don't want faith schools.

6) The BBC R4 poll that shows the vast majority of people want faith schools abolished.

7) Reports and statistics that show RC schools don't out-perform their non-denominational equivalents.

8) The court case that shows certain faith schools discriminatory policies with regard to employment (contrary to European Law).

Just in case your computer has a "John from East Kilbride no looky" filter

Cheerio Bertie Bonkers

Aw diddums is ready to explode, his vitriolic bile going up in volume, ream after ream after ream of idiocy and still not one word about curtailing Orange parades.

It's just a wan way street diddums and you can bang yer lanbeg drum aw you want but Drumcree will be coming to Scotland, parades stopped to eradicate bigotry.

The days of Orange walks are numbered. I gave you the views of the looney left on the Orange order. The looney left don't want you, me, In my right wing bigot capacity don't want you and the vast majority of rational people don't want the contentious parades but guess whit knuckle dragging hauf wit can't speak out against the inherent hatred of the Orange order.

Answers on a postcard tae Mason Boyne East Kilbride Sink Estate.3rd flat along, broken windaes,empty buckfast bottles oot fur the milkman an a scabby wee dug, Scotland.

#198 John, You didnt poop your tracksuit bottoms last night on a green piece of grass in the "upper Helen Street" area last night did you?
You certainly seem as "balanced" as Sean the handsome on the park at Ibrox last night.
Can I ask a serious question?
Did an Orangeman steal your jelly tots as a child because you have got some hefty anger issues there which you really should look into!?
I am going to hang around for a month or two however to make sure you answer one of the points made!

197. He won't answer because he can't find any answers that suit his agenda. Oh, and don't be surprised if he accuses you of being me in the next 5 minutes. He's absolutely loopy.

Aw poor Bertie Bonkers, noo Mason Boyne has another wee napper peeping oot.

1) The Bishops statement re faith schools enabling sectarianism.

Would this be the same bishop that said that Catholics contribute 20 million pounds on top of their taxes. You said he was lying. Oh let me guess he is only lying if he doesn't say what you want him to say.

2) The anti-sectarian group spokespersons statements re faith schools being divisive.

What does it say about the Orange Lodge, oops a daisy it only counts against catholic schools

3) The census that shows the vast majority of people in Scotland don't want faith schools.

4) The census that shows the majority of R.C.'s in Scotland don't want faith schools.

5) The poll that shows the majority of people in Great Britan don't want faith schools.

6) The BBC R4 poll that shows the vast majority of people want faith schools abolished.

Oh well ah'll just hiv to show my ignorance and enquire where in the last Census was there a question on faith schools, the last census in Scotland I believe was 2001 and I can't seem to locate any such question. Can you point it out, until then I can't give a reply

5 and 6 how many took part.

And to show how polls work, Neil Kinnock was going to win the Election.

How often do you have sex, have you ever been asked that but you can read all the guff aboout it.

7..In one certain year and other factors can change figures, bit like your selective acceptance of what Bishops say, if it suits you it's right and if not you just said he was lying.

8. What court case are ye babbling on about, has it been settled, is it ongoing, and so what the law will deal with it

Now so far yer questions are a load of bull, now I'll quite willingly peruse the Census of 2001 if you are going to show me where it is.

You should know exactly where it is as you have been bleating on about it fur yonks.

Show me the way to

#201 pmsl here! Actually thought that my non de plume may have covered the "your all John from EK" question !! hahahaha
They're all after me!! Utterly PMSL!!
in terms of the road to enlightenment John? ...stick to the one going to Amarillo. You'd get more out of it with your caveman antics
Cheerio Bertie Bonkers

Catholic archbishops clash over sharing schools
Joanne Robertson, Scottish Education Correspondent

THE two leaders of Scotland's Catholics have
clashed over proposals for faith and non- denominational schools to share the same buildings ………………

………………..a recent survey by the National Centre for Social Research showed 81% of Scots in favour of ending separate Catholic education with only 13% in favour of retaining it. Daily religious assemblies are to be phased out at schools in Edinburgh and replaced with purpose-built rooms where individual pupils can go to pray throughout the day.

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http://education.guardian.co.uk/faithschools/story/0,1388...

Two thirds oppose state aided faith schools

Download the poll in full (pdf)

Matthew Taylor, education correspondent
Tuesday August 23, 2005
The Guardian

Faith schools, a central plank of the government's education reforms designed to increase parental choice, are opposed by almost two thirds of the public.
A Guardian/ICM poll published today shows that most respondents are against ministers' plans to increase the number of religious schools amid growing anxiety about their impact on social cohesion.

The survey reveals that following last month's terror attacks, the majority of the public are uneasy about the proposals, with 64% agreeing that "the government should not be funding faith schools of any kind".

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82.1% of Radio 4 listeners say faith-based schools should be abolished
BBC News from July/August 2004
A BBC R4 Sunday programme poll in July 2004 found 254 in favour of abolishing faith-based schools, and only 57 against.

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82.1% of Radio 4 listeners say faith-ba

John from EK. the other John is more to be pitied than anything else! He has shown us just what a fool he really is. He is a sad individual who lets his paranoia, racist and bigoted views get in the way of a decent argument, an argument which he was never really going to win!

Never mind the facts, what about the Orange Lodge!?
pmsl!

One fact that is usually missed is that most Catholics are against separate schooling as well as Protestants.

In 1992, 47% of Catholics were in favour of phasing out separate schools (source: Scottish Election Survey) and in 2001, this number had risen to 59% (source: Scottish Social Attitudes Survey).

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Over half British Muslims do not want Muslim schools , October 2005
Arzu Merali, a researcher for the Islamic Human Rights Commission, found that fewer than 50% of 1,125 British Muslims in a recent study wanted their children to attend schools of their own faith.
...Gender was a factor that showed a slight difference between preferring Muslim schooling to mainstream schooling.
- 42.9% of females (from a total of 410 female respondents) preferred Muslim schooling
- 49.7% of males (from a total of 724 male respondents) preferred Muslim schooling.

John/Adolf/Nick/Fred West, if you dig that hole you're in any deeper, you'll end up in Australia.

Still laughing at ya ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Aw ah get it now, there was no census and there has been no such questions asked in any census.

Dear dear diddums was just telling wee porkies. The people of the country were not asked any such thing in any census.

I thought not because I remember we had a census here and there was no reference to any faith schools.

Yes no more than what I expected, just lurid wee fables fae a fertile imagination.

You could win the vote wae aw the numpties in yer ain heid.

Most Catholics against faith schools, Aye that's why they are over subscribed.

Ye hiv been shown fur whit ye are, a bigger bum than ten arses.

Ye hiv been tick tocking fur a week and noo the clock's stopped ye cannae produce any of the keech ye hiv been yapping about.

There is no census, is there?

No census exists that you claimed, where people were asked about Catholic schools, it's all lies isn't it?

You made it up, all the little fantasies in your anti catholic head, Yap yap yapping wae aw the others nonces you post as tick tock CENSUS tick tock Census, answer about the census and lo and behold the census was just some idiocy fae yer ain wee narrow minded napper.

Brilliant, plum of the week, blah census blah blah census blah blah blah answer the facts from the census.....What census? Eh ah asked a wummin in the street wearing a sash, she said nae pape schools, that a hunner per cent against kafflik skools.

Absolute gem Mason Boyne absolute gem. Nae census and nae sense tae shut up and no get questioned on yer non existant census.

Oh ah kin feel the vitriolic bile rising fae here.

Heil Mary
Sieg Heil

Wee bit busy just now John The Deviant, but I look forward to you producing ANY statistic that contradicts those I provided. Your answers to the 8 points were those of a desperate bigot, of about 10 years old.

Still pedalling your multiple posts line? Just can't bear to think that there's more than just me thinks your an idiot can you?

Managed to bring down that racist council yet or is Krystalnacht all set for next week? What's Nicks tactics? Burn all the mosques? "Indigenous whites" indeed.

RACIST FASCIST LIAR BIGOT PERVERT.

Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock.....

A survey showed bbc R4 had a grand total of twelve listeners, these consisted of four transvestites, three guide dogs and four planks of wood and a dullard fae East Kilbride.

Here's wan of your dullard quotes: "One fact that is usually missed is that most Catholics are against separate schooling as well as Protestants.

Aye exactly why the schools are over subscribed, seems your a wee bit frugal wae the truth.

These are aw jist daft wee surveys fae selected persons.

Naw the best place for a proper reflective figure is in a census. A census was done in 2001 in which it turns oot that more people in Scotland go to church than in England.

I'm sure you know what a census is, oh yes you do you have alluded to the census for a whole week, yes a whole week screaming about the census, facts from the census.

No ye were jist joshing wae me, hivin a wee giggle, kidding on there was a census wae aw the facts.

It was a good joke, then you came on in aw different names to back yourself up about the facts in the census and when it comes doon to it aw yer faces were telling lies.

You got no strings to hold you down.

Mason Boyne in panto this year starring as Pinnochio. Pinnochio loves a census don't you Pinnochio.

Ream after ream of petty little claims, he said that, this survey, that survey, this poll that poll, blah blah blah
Kinnockio never got elected cos people seen him as the Pinnochio of politics, is he a relation, nepotism, he getting you a job is he?

Census aye ah'm hivin a rare time. Yer no looking the brightest pea in the pod tick tock tick answer the CENSUS CENSUS CENSUS.

How much more keech can you possibly post now when the whole basis of your fantasy is gone, nae census nae facts.

GIRUY Ah'm loving it.

Dear John/Mary/Adolph.
Can I ask if my class of 7 year olds may study your ramblings as part of their basic idiot spotting course? Appreciate it may be pretty easy with yourself, but we can fill in until the kids get some challenging work next week.
t.h.a.n.k. y.o.u.

Ye have posted nothing, you made up absolute rubbish about a census, jesus christ do you still believe this census exists.

Show me it, show the census that asked the people of Scotland if they wanted faith schools, show the census where the people of Britain gave a majority against faith schools.

It doesn't exist Mason Boyne, the cuckoos will be nesting in your nose soon at the rate you're gon.

There is nothing that shows Scotland or Britain voted against faith schools and the more you go on the more dim you look.

You couldn't say one word against the Oarange lodge and that from the kick off showed your wee fragile argument, aw built on lies.

CENSUS HE SENDS US THEY SENT US NAE CENSUS.

Aw this is too funny, argues fur a whole week wae fables in his heid, cood wan of yer numpties no hiv saved ye fae making yersel look king numpty

Mrs Mc Ginty is it a kafflik school or a proddie wan. Have you considered showing how your good freind and alter ego, Mason Boyne/sally/ralph/tam fae greenock/Billy fae Govan and John East Kilbride is helping to save the planet by growing a big wooden nose by telling lies.

Do you know anything aboot a census Mrs Mc Ginty where aw the people voted tae close kafflik skools.

Aye yer busy Mason Boyne but no matter how many faces ye still cannae gie us this census, aw lies and nothing but the lies.

CENSUS CENSUS CENSUS

#212. Regardless of what kind of school it is, I'd like to think my 7 year olds would make more sense than you John.
A quick question for you. Do youo truly believe that John from EK is all these people that you say he is?
Serious question by the way as I think I'll need to call Achmed O'Malley our Proddy Janny to shoo you away before the law gets here!
Jings your a scary man!
WIBBLE (anyone got two pencils)!!?

Ah mrs mc ginty lock the gates yer pape loving man is want tae pit you on the dole. He disnae want you to teach the wee tims.

Gie them a sash.

Oh John The Pervert Bigot. You're completely lost now! Census/poll/survey/statistic???? Is that really the best you can do? I should have guessed. Still laughing at ya Adolf!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Muslims? Bigoted Councils? White indigenous populations? BNP? Nick? Adolf?

STILL waiting on you producing ANY survey, poll, statistic or letter from your Mum that contradicts that offered by me. I fear I'll have a long wait, but I'm patient John The Racist. (Sorry about mentioning you Mum by the way, I know you don't like women). Why not try the Catholic Herald for another of your "independent" stats? The we can all have another laugh at you.

Alternately, why don't you go back to Sarah and talk to her about masturbation again you creepy little deviant?

Anyway, here's another wee figure for you to ponder whilst your drinking yourself into oblivion tonight:

"In the period 1984 - 2002, attendance at Catholic churches in Scotland recorded a drop of 42% from 345,950 to 202,110, approximately 4% of the Scottish population."

Source: P. Brierly, Report of the 2002 Scottish Church CENSUS.

4% John the Bigot? Perhaps it was a reflection of the paedophile scandals? Who knows. Maybe you could fabricate another little "MASTER RACE" lie about how Catholics will "outbreed" the Proddies. Another of your classics! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

But I'm asking you again, give us your Nick Griffin special just one more time. Please?

RACIST FASCIST LIAR BIGOT PERVERT.

PS Still laughing at you HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Kids, ignore #214 he is a bad man with deep problems. Keep walking keep walking...
Bonkers bonkers bonkers, more bonkers that a professor of bonkers, studying advanced bonkers theory at the College of bonkers in Bonkerscastle.
Quick question again unhinged bigot man per #213
"A quick question for you. Do you truly believe that John from EK is all these people that you say he is?"
Get the feeling John EK has you sussed Bertie!
OK Kids start singing "All together now..Avi Maria..."
wibble wibble.

Achmed the pepper spray if you would!

"These are aw jist daft wee surveys fae selected persons."

Mmmmm....

Report of the 2002 Scottish Church CENSUS.

Islamic Human Rights Commission

Scottish Social Attitudes Survey

Scottish Election Survey

Omnibus Survey by Millward Brown Ulster

Guardian/ICM poll

National Centre for Social Research

Daft wee surveys....selected persons. All in the world of John the Deviant Bigot.

Show me some "daft wee surveys" that contradict them you fool.

John, if you didn't exist we'd have to invent you.

RACIST FASCIST LIAR BIGOT PERVERT.

216. Mrs. McGinty

Is John the Racist really your Paddy's goat?

'218 Dear god dont mention goats or he'll be off on another one!

219. Mrs. McGinty

He doesn't like women, or Muslims, or councils, or orange people, or masons, or proddies, or bus drivers.....

Do you think he prefers goats?

#220 List is getting smaller from what i can work out.Hang on I'll ask the 7 year olds in my class if any of them have any siblings who are 3 or 4 as they may be able to work out how this kind of mind works.
Wibble!
Hang on, are we the same person!!? pmsl!!

Church attendance 7.9%, 2002/3
Total church attendance in GB is 7.9% of adults for all denominations (England 7.4%, Wales 7.4%, Scotland 13.4%)
( Religious Trends, 2002/2003)

Dear oh dear Pinnochio you'll save the whole of Britain wae that big wooden nose of yours.

222. John the Racist

Read it again you brain-dead clown. The figures I gave were for RC's. Try comparing like for like.

You've blew away your own pathetic argument you eejit. Let's build faith schools for the 7.9% of the population who can be &rsed going to their place of worship eh?

The Muslims, racist councils, white indiginous populations, Krystalnacht.......

LAFFIN......

Census, census, never were there such devoted census.

Now guess whit! the Scottish church census is made up fae this.

Sampling Procedures: No sampling (total universe)
Number of Units: 4144 (target) 2160 (obtained)
Method of Data Collection: Postal survey

So it was hardly a census but who am I to argue with it.

Now as usual ah'm too stupid to find it but no doubt you'll show me where they all voted to close church schools.

Another census another fairy tale, oh dear I'm sure there is some where some statistics that the whole of Scotland voted against church schools and the whole of Britain voted against them.

C'mon Mason Boyne, ye just made it up, the cemsus didnae hiv this, yer just lying again and getting caught out. Every time ye try ye just look more stupid.

a whole week yapping about a census and you didn't even know what a census meant.

Cuckoo Cuckoo.

Heil Mary
Seig Heil

Aw noo ye hiv tae go tae church, chapel, mosque etc to be a catholic muslim jew etc. Whit a great man ye are.

Here hiv you no done yer ain census. Ye hiv aboot as many people as the scottish church census aw inside your sorry dullard dome!

#224. John, Why dont you chuck it and give us all a break. You are are an insufferable erse.
Memo to John, get a bird..or are they on your "list" as well?

Francis, with an attitude like his he couldn't get a "burd" with a presription.

John the Deviant

My my my aren't wee clutching at straws? You get funnier by the slabber ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

Still waiting on you producing ANYTHING statistical/survey/poll-wise which contradicts the numerous figures I have given. You can't can you? You're completely bankrupt.

I'll ask again. Give us your wee Enoch Powell rant about those big bad Muslims again or as you described them the "taliban society" ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Or howzabout one of your wee "masturbation" rants. You could even include a diatribe against women. Why not go for your full spew-up and have a got at women wearing hijab's? Hey Presto! Two birds with the one stone!

Taliban society indeed. You're an absolute lunatic.

#225 is one of the lunatic fringe of the Judeans Peoples front. Apparently they disowned (which in itself is bad) because he soiled his tracky bottoms last night on an unsanctioned operation..
His full JPF name is apparently Joe B Trousers but apparently someone smelt something amiss.
poopy pants poopy pants

HAHA John your day has been and gone. They surrendered their guns remember!?
What a horrible poisionous cretin you are. How long you been dying to say those words? bet its been eating away at you as you eat your spam sandwiches off your hunger striker 25 year pencil case....
mmm?

The young typist in the work emailed me asking for me to post this. Seems she has found a little flaw that arises in some postings. It seems certain posters couldn't stop putting in these little things "" All put were they don't belong. She reckons there can't be so many morons on the one board so badly versed in English to keep "putting" these where they don't belong.

"list" by Francis
"burd" by Sarah
"taliban society" John East Kilbride
"All together now..Avi Maria..." mrs mc ginty
"faith schools breed segregation".
"your all John from EK" I’m not John from East Kilbride
"upper Helen Street" Anger Issues 199
"cannot face the facts"......."people in denial" john ek180
‘their' Stephen Birmingham 171
"stuff" dr headshrink 152

Did you realise how many stupid people were in your head John East Kilbride?

All those people backing you up in yer napper and still you couldnae win a raffle.

We had a great laugh reading your guff. You cheered up the whole office. The Edinburgh office were reading it too, They even had a wee 'guess the new name' you were going to post under, no one won.

We really should thank you for proving how far people will go to win an argument on the internet.

I suggest you book an appointment with your doctor "headshrink" "the sooner" "the better"

We were sure you were going to start crying but you had a few of the girls drying with laughter.

"You have a good weekend and don't let the nasty Kaffliks wind you up."

"Bingo"

" " " " " " " " """ "" " "

"All the best diddums"

Bwahahahahahahahaha! Poor we John the Racist Fascist Bigoted Pervert!!! Bwahahahahahahaha!

Oh no! It seems your balaclava's slipped you pathetic little maggot! IRA slogans is it now? Not my subject of choice but I do believe they surrendered a few years back? No? Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You've just shown everybody what a despicable little sub-human you are! DON'T LOOK BEHIND YOU!

9.10 on a Friday night and still sitting watching? Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Laughing at you maggot! The normal people were out enjoying themsleves with friends and family whilst you sat drinking your cheap wine in your bedsit you silly little cockroach.

If "carol" exists, does she go out on operations with you? I hear the last time you put your balaclava on back-to-front and ran into a lampost! Ha ha ha ha ha! Do you abuse her for being a woman? All bacause your Mammy made you wear tights? Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Laughing louder! Does she wear a burka? No make-up and covered feet? It's a "taliban society" remember? Bwahahahahahaha!

Tell me all my names again? You make me happy you bigoted, racist, fascist, deviant little pervert. Where does it all come from John the Deviant? Did Father O'Fondle rub yer front-bottom? Is that it? Laughing at you scum ha ha ha ha ha ha!

You're obsessed kid. No mates, a wife who ran away from you, bad breath and a drink problem? Laughing Laughing Laughing! Bwahahahahahahaha!

Give us your wee IRA slogan again. That was a classic! Bwahahahahahaha!

RACIST FASCIST LIAR BIGOT PERVERT.

ps DON'T LOOK BEHIND YOU! Bwahahahahahahaha! My sides are sore!

Just for you John the Deviant....

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=305

God Bless The Pope Indeed!

Children are not born Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Rich Or Poor, They are born Homo Sapien and the only difference is male or female.
Thus to me nature says quite clearly if you educate one you educate all equally according to their abilities.
That means no faith schools but religious and social education in school comparitive in nature not dogmatic.
It also means state funded education for all and the removal of priveledged education at outdated "Public" schools
At an appropriate age the individual can decide for themselves, what they want to be based on information not indoctrination.
The majority in this discussion seem to agree with scrapping education based on religious belief, and I suspect a referendum would echo that.

Aw naw! Howz John the anti-Mislim IRA-loving bigot going to wriggle his slimy carcass round this one?

"In Tehran, Iran, during the early days of the Islamic revolution in 1979 student revolutionaries sympathizing with Sands replaced the street name on which the British embassy was located on from Winston Churchill street to Bobby Sands street. This name still exists today although efforts are being made by the British government to have it changed."

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

John the IRA man, the Muslim-hater, this is really going to do your drink-sodden brain in:

"The IRA have always had close links with the Arab terrorists and thus the sympathy shown to their 'Arabic Brothers' with flag waving and the like. In 1973, the ship Claudia was intercepted by Irish police in Waterford Bay with five tonnes of arms on board - from the Middle East. Another boat, the Eksund, with 150 tonnes of weapons on board was also grabbed. It had SAM missiles, 1,000 mortar bombs and rocket-propelled grenades, fresh from the Middle East also. The Security Services still believe that about 3 other shipments reached Ireland in the mid 80s. There were also IRA members being trained in Libya - Slab Murphy of the South Armagh IRA was one."

Is this perhaps where IRA lover John the Fascist Bigot gets it from? John, you're scum.

http://www.victims.org.uk/nazi.html

Is this where John the IRA loving deviant get his sexual perversions from? John, you're a bloody monster.

"Hundreds of people joined a street vigil in protest at his murder by the IRA, and many talked of its volunteers as thugs, sadists and paedophiles who they now needed protection from."

"On the Short Strand that was a decision not to be taken lightly. But when they saw that the IRA and Sinn Fein were remaining silent, people began to vent their anger, saying the IRA were out of control, a gang of thugs, paedophiles, rapists and bullies."

Another wee insight into the character John the Beast:

"His sister Gemma rang their elderly mother who was on holiday in Spain: "To tell her that news was the hardest thing I've ever done. It destroyed her. She wasn't even able to attend the funeral. My mother was a Sinn Féin voter. Robert was a Sinn Féin voter. I voted Sinn Féin but I'd vote DUP before I'd support Sinn Féin again," she says.

A cousin, who was a Sinn Féin fundraiser in Chicago, is cutting all ties with the party, Gemma says. Another sister, Catherine, who also voted Sinn Féin, says the IRA must not protect the killers.

"For years, the Catholic Church protected paedophile priests and let them use the church as cover for their activities. Some thugs joined the IRA so they could get away with brutality. They've been empowered by the IRA, and it must stop."

Catherine wants Sinn Féin to tell the killers to give themselves up. Paula describes the murderers as "scum" and "monsters". "It's scary that people like that are walking about with so much power. If anyone even thumped an IRA man, they'd be dead. Yet these people literally get away with murder."

John, I've found your surname. I don't think they should allow internet access in prison. Beast.

John McGrady, convicted rapist and brother of IRA murderers gets life for horrific attack
Published on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 .. Author MORRIS, Nick.

A former butcher who murdered and dismembered a teenage girl in South London has been sentenced to life in prison. John McGrady, 48, a convicted rapist, snatched Rochelle Holness, 15, off the street, strangled her and carved her remains into nine pieces with a hacksaw in an attempt to dispose of the body. The body was so badly mutilated that forensic scientists could not establish if she had been sexually assaulted.

It seems John from East Kilbride had a latent anger that has now found it's escape hatch.

The subject was faith schools. it didn't take you too much to float your boat and go off at a tangent.

I do not believe anyone could consider such hateful rants as rational contribution to this debate.

I would fear for any child within a mile of you.

This discussion board has been hijacked some ways back by at least two lunatics or perhaps a schizophrenic
but it is no longer a resonable discussion about faith schools. can all irrelevent and abusive postings be removed so that normal people may return to reasonable discussion.